Global warming fraud expose by NYT and others
Clairbear
there trust
Harry , Sidney, mitchie et al. we got a big fat crow for you Thankgiving
dinner You guys might want to invaite AlGore over to share your meal
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/11/20/nyt-environmental-
writer-confirms-probable-authenticity-hacked-climate
http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-proof-that-global-warming-
advocates-use-deception-r-1258992120
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483
&srvc=business&position=recent
http://www.memeorandum.com/091120/p120#a091120p120
http://rightsoup.com/climate-research-center-hacked-thousands-of-damning-
docs-hit-the-net-global-warming-cancelled/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/nyt-admits-gore-
making-fortune-global-warming
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/11/23/ny-times-tackles-
damning-global-warming-emails-also-reveals-own-hypocri
Freestyle
in sand wrote:
> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
> there trust
> Harry , Sidney, mitchie et al. we got a big fat crow for you Thankgiving
> dinner You guys might want to invaite AlGore over to share your meal
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/11/20/nyt-environmental-
> writer-confirms-probable-authenticity-hacked-climate
>
> http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-proof-that-global-warming-
> advocates-use-deception-r-1258992120
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483
> &srvc=business&position=recent
>
> http://www.memeorandum.com/091120/p120#a091120p120
>
> docs-hit-the-net-global-warming-cancelled/
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/nyt-admits-gore-
> making-fortune-global-warming
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/11/23/ny-times-tackles-
> damning-global-warming-emails-also-reveals-own-hypocri
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hjrkevVWHdM8rWorsC2E8mUvBPzgD9C51DV01
Warming's impacts sped up, worsened since Kyoto
By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) – 19 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Since the 1997 international accord to fight global
warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated — beyond some of
the grimmest of warnings made back then.
As the world has talked for a dozen years about what to do next, new
ship passages opened through the once frozen summer sea ice of the
Arctic. In Greenland and Antarctica, ice sheets have lost trillions of
tons of ice. Mountain glaciers in Europe, South America, Asia and
Africa are shrinking faster than before.
And it's not just the frozen parts of the world that have felt the
heat in the dozen years leading up to next month's climate summit in
Copenhagen:
- The world's oceans have risen by about an inch and a half.
- Droughts and wildfires have turned more severe worldwide, from the
U.S. West to Australia to the Sahel desert of North Africa.
- Species now in trouble because of changing climate include, not just
the lumbering polar bear which has become a symbol of global warming,
but also fragile butterflies, colorful frogs and entire stands of
North American pine forests.
- Temperatures over the past 12 years are 0.4 of a degree warmer than
the dozen years leading up to 1997.
Even the gloomiest climate models back in the 1990s didn't forecast
results quite this bad so fast.
"The latest science is telling us we are in more trouble than we
thought," Janos Pasztor, climate adviser to UN Secretary General Ban
Ki-moon.
And here's why: Since an agreement to reduce greenhouse gas pollution
was signed in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997, the level of carbon
dioxide in the air has increased 6.5 percent. Officials from across
the world will convene in Copenhagen next month to seek a follow-up
pact, one that President Barack Obama says "has immediate operational
effect ... an important step forward in the effort to rally the world
around a solution."
The last effort didn't quite get the anticipated results.
From 1997 to 2008, world carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of
fossil fuels have increased 31 percent; U.S. emissions of this
greenhouse gas rose 3.7 percent. Emissions from China, now the biggest
producer of this pollution, have more than doubled in that time
period. When the U.S. Senate balked at the accord and President George
W. Bush withdrew from it, that meant that the top three carbon
polluters — the U.S., China and India — were not part of the pact's
emission reductions. Developing countries were not covered by the
Kyoto Protocol and that is a major issue in Copenhagen.
And the effects of greenhouse gases are more powerful and happening
sooner than predicted, scientists said.
"Back in 1997, the impacts (of climate change) were underestimated;
the rate of change has been faster," said Virginia Burkett, chief
scientist for global change research at the U.S. Geological Survey.
That last part alarms former Vice President Al Gore, who helped broker
a last-minute deal in Kyoto.
"By far the most serious differences that we've had is an acceleration
of the crisis itself," Gore said in an interview this month with The
Associated Press.
In 1997, global warming was an issue for climate scientists,
environmentalists and policy wonks. Now biologists, lawyers,
economists, engineers, insurance analysts, risk managers, disaster
professionals, commodity traders, nutritionists, ethicists and even
psychologists are working on global warming.
"We've come from a time in 1997 where this was some abstract problem
working its way around scientific circles to now when the problem is
in everyone's face," said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria
climate scientist.
The changes in the last 12 years that have the scientists most alarmed
are happening in the Arctic with melting summer sea ice and around the
world with the loss of key land-based ice masses. It's all happening
far faster than predicted.
Back in 1997 "nobody in their wildest expectations," would have
forecast the dramatic sudden loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic that
started about five years ago, Weaver said. From 1993 to 1997, sea ice
would shrink on average in the summer to about 2.7 million square
miles. The average for the last five years is less than 2 million
square miles. What's been lost is the size of Alaska.
Antarctica had a slight increase in sea ice, mostly because of the
cooling effect of the ozone hole, according to the British Antarctic
Survey. At the same time, large chunks of ice shelves — adding up to
the size of Delaware — came off the Antarctic peninsula.
While melting Arctic ocean ice doesn't raise sea levels, the melting
of giant land-based ice sheets and glaciers that drain into the seas
do. Those are shrinking dramatically at both poles.
Measurements show that since 2000, Greenland has lost more than 1.5
trillion tons of ice, while Antarctica has lost about 1 trillion tons
since 2002, according to two scientific studies published this fall.
In multiple reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
reports, scientists didn't anticipate ice sheet loss in Antarctica,
Weaver said. And the rate of those losses is accelerating, so that
Greenland's ice sheets are melting twice as fast now as they were just
seven years ago, increasing sea level rise.
Worldwide glaciers are shrinking three times faster than in the 1970s
and the average glacier has lost 25 feet of ice since 1997, said
Michael Zemp, a researcher at World Glacier Monitoring Service at the
University of Zurich.
"Glaciers are a good climate indicator," Zemp said. "What we see is an
accelerated loss of ice."
Also, permafrost — the frozen northern ground that oil pipelines are
built upon and which traps the potent greenhouse gas methane — is
thawing at an alarming rate, Burkett said.
Another new post-1997 impact of global warming has scientists very
concerned. The oceans are getting more acidic because more of the
carbon dioxide in the air is being absorbed into the water. That
causes acidification, an issue that didn't even merit a name until the
past few years.
More acidic water harms coral, oysters and plankton and ultimately
threatens the ocean food chain, biologists say.
In 1997, "there was no interest in plants and animals" and how they
are hampered by climate change, said Stanford University biologist
Terry Root. Now scientists are talking about which species can be
saved from extinction and which are goners. The polar bear became the
first species put on the federal list of threatened species and the
small rabbit-like American pika may be joining it.
More than 37 million acres of Canadian and U.S. pine forests have been
damaged by beetles that don't die in warmer winters. And in the U.S.
West, the average number of acres burned per fire has more than
doubled.
The Colorado River reservoirs, major water suppliers for the U.S.
West, were nearly full in 1999, but by 2007 half the water was gone
after the region endured the worst multiyear drought in 100 years of
record-keeping.
Insurance losses and blackouts have soared and experts say global
warming is partly to blame. The number of major U.S. weather-related
blackouts from 2004-2008 were more than seven times higher than from
1993-1997, said Evan Mills, a staff scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley
National Lab.
"The message on the science is that we know a lot more than we did in
1997 and it's all negative," said Eileen Claussen, president of the
Pew Center on Global Climate Change. "Things are much worse than the
models predicted."
*FisherKing*
news:Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136:
> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this
> betrayal of there trust
> Harry , Sidney, mitchie et al. we got a big fat crow for you
> Thankgiving dinner You guys might want to invaite AlGore over to share
> your meal
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/11/20/nyt-environmental-
> writer-confirms-probable-authenticity-hacked-climate
>
> http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-proof-that-global-warming
> - advocates-use-deception-r-1258992120
>
> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483
> &srvc=business&position=recent
>
> http://www.memeorandum.com/091120/p120#a091120p120
>
> http://rightsoup.com/climate-research-center-hacked-thousands-of-damnin
> g- docs-hit-the-net-global-warming-cancelled/
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/nyt-admits-gore-
> making-fortune-global-warming
>
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/11/23/ny-times-tackles-
> damning-global-warming-emails-also-reveals-own-hypocri
>
Um, nope. The emails said nothing of the kind. That concept only exists
in the minds of the rightwing retards, who are hoping that they can
cherry pick non sequiters from the emails to try to prove some ambigous
point that they hope to make. If anybody had taken the time to closely
examine what was said and put into the correct context, there is nothing
there to support their claim. Again, in their glee to hasten to make some
non existent point they end up with egg on their collective faces.
You should stick to your skewed humor group. At least you think your
funny there.
--
"The better educated a person is, the less likely it is that person will
be a conservative."
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill
P. U. Stinkly
> In article <Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136>,
> Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
>> there trust
>
>
Of course globble warming is a hoax. I saw it on a website!!!!!!
1-20-2013
Of course "climate change" is real. I saw it on a website!!! :^)
Al Gore must be in mourning this evening!!!! His "global warming" scam
has been busted!!!! LUVIT!!!
1-20-2013
> On Nov 23, 6:24 pm, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> head planted firmly
> in sand wrote:
>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
>> there trust
>> Harry , Sidney, mitchie et al. we got a big fat crow for you Thankgiving
>> dinner You guys might want to invaite AlGore over to share your meal
>>
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/11/20/nyt-environmental-
>> writer-confirms-probable-authenticity-hacked-climate
>>
>> http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-proof-that-global-warming-
>> advocates-use-deception-r-1258992120
>>
>> http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1213483
>> &srvc=business&position=recent
>>
>> http://www.memeorandum.com/091120/p120#a091120p120
>>
>> http://rightsoup.com/climate-research-center-hacked-thousands-of-damn...
>> docs-hit-the-net-global-warming-cancelled/
>>
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/02/nyt-admits-gore-
>> making-fortune-global-warming
>>
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/11/23/ny-times-tackles-
>> damning-global-warming-emails-also-reveals-own-hypocri
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hjrkevVWHdM8rWorsC2E8mUvBPzgD9C51DV01
>
> Warming's impacts sped up, worsened since Kyoto
> WASHINGTON � Since the 1997 international accord to fight global
> warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated � beyond some of
> the grimmest of warnings made back then.
ROTFLMMFAO!!!! *QUICK* Raise everyones taxes and pass Obama's Cap and
Tax bill!!! It's the *only* way to stop global warming, er, um, I mean
"climate change" ;^D
LOL!!!
>
> As the world has talked for a dozen years about what to do next, new
> ship passages opened through the once frozen summer sea ice of the
> Arctic. In Greenland and Antarctica, ice sheets have lost trillions of
> tons of ice. Mountain glaciers in Europe, South America, Asia and
> Africa are shrinking faster than before.
>
> And it's not just the frozen parts of the world that have felt the
> heat in the dozen years leading up to next month's climate summit in
> Copenhagen:
> - The world's oceans have risen by about an inch and a half.
> - Droughts and wildfires have turned more severe worldwide, from the
> U.S. West to Australia to the Sahel desert of North Africa.
> - Species now in trouble because of changing climate include, not just
> the lumbering polar bear which has become a symbol of global warming,
> but also fragile butterflies, colorful frogs and entire stands of
> North American pine forests.
> - Temperatures over the past 12 years are 0.4 of a degree warmer than
> the dozen years leading up to 1997.
I even read that "global warming" is causing some women to turn to
prostitution.
Yesterday I had trouble getting my lawn tractor to start - damn global
warming, oops - did it again, I mean "climate change".
>
> Even the gloomiest climate models back in the 1990s didn't forecast
> results quite this bad so fast.
Ooooooooo - the drama ;^D
>
> "The latest science is telling us we are in more trouble than we
> thought," Janos Pasztor, climate adviser to UN Secretary General Ban
> Ki-moon.
No problem. The liberal Messiah will save the day by raising taxes on
everything with his Cap and Tax silliness.
> And here's why: Since an agreement to reduce greenhouse gas pollution
> was signed in Kyoto, Japan, in December 1997, the level of carbon
> dioxide in the air has increased 6.5 percent. Officials from across
> the world will convene in Copenhagen next month to seek a follow-up
> pact, one that President Barack Obama says "has immediate operational
> effect ... an important step forward in the effort to rally the world
> around a solution."
>
> The last effort didn't quite get the anticipated results.
> From 1997 to 2008, world carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of
> fossil fuels have increased 31 percent; U.S. emissions of this
> greenhouse gas rose 3.7 percent. Emissions from China, now the biggest
> producer of this pollution, have more than doubled in that time
> period. When the U.S. Senate balked at the accord and President George
> W. Bush withdrew from it, that meant that the top three carbon
> polluters � the U.S., China and India � were not part of the pact's
> emission reductions. Developing countries were not covered by the
> Kyoto Protocol and that is a major issue in Copenhagen.
>
> And the effects of greenhouse gases are more powerful and happening
> sooner than predicted, scientists said.
> "Back in 1997, the impacts (of climate change) were underestimated;
> the rate of change has been faster," said Virginia Burkett, chief
> scientist for global change research at the U.S. Geological Survey.
>
> That last part alarms former Vice President Al Gore, who helped broker
> a last-minute deal in Kyoto.
> "By far the most serious differences that we've had is an acceleration
> of the crisis itself," Gore said in an interview this month with The
> Associated Press.
Al Gore sees his cash-cow coming to an end. Gotta squeeze a few last
dollars out of it now that the global warming scam has officially been
busted.
> In 1997, global warming was an issue for climate scientists,
> environmentalists and policy wonks. Now biologists, lawyers,
> economists, engineers, insurance analysts, risk managers, disaster
> professionals, commodity traders, nutritionists, ethicists and even
> psychologists are working on global warming.
> "We've come from a time in 1997 where this was some abstract problem
> working its way around scientific circles to now when the problem is
> in everyone's face," said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria
> climate scientist.
>
> The changes in the last 12 years that have the scientists most alarmed
> are happening in the Arctic with melting summer sea ice and around the
> world with the loss of key land-based ice masses. It's all happening
> far faster than predicted.
>
> Back in 1997 "nobody in their wildest expectations," would have
> forecast the dramatic sudden loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic that
> started about five years ago, Weaver said. From 1993 to 1997, sea ice
> would shrink on average in the summer to about 2.7 million square
> miles. The average for the last five years is less than 2 million
> square miles. What's been lost is the size of Alaska.
>
> Antarctica had a slight increase in sea ice, mostly because of the
> cooling effect of the ozone hole, according to the British Antarctic
> Survey. At the same time, large chunks of ice shelves � adding up to
> the size of Delaware � came off the Antarctic peninsula.
>
> While melting Arctic ocean ice doesn't raise sea levels, the melting
> of giant land-based ice sheets and glaciers that drain into the seas
> do. Those are shrinking dramatically at both poles.
>
> Measurements show that since 2000, Greenland has lost more than 1.5
> trillion tons of ice, while Antarctica has lost about 1 trillion tons
> since 2002, according to two scientific studies published this fall.
> In multiple reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
> reports, scientists didn't anticipate ice sheet loss in Antarctica,
> Weaver said. And the rate of those losses is accelerating, so that
> Greenland's ice sheets are melting twice as fast now as they were just
> seven years ago, increasing sea level rise.
> Worldwide glaciers are shrinking three times faster than in the 1970s
> and the average glacier has lost 25 feet of ice since 1997, said
> Michael Zemp, a researcher at World Glacier Monitoring Service at the
> University of Zurich.
>
> "Glaciers are a good climate indicator," Zemp said. "What we see is an
> accelerated loss of ice."
> Also, permafrost � the frozen northern ground that oil pipelines are
> built upon and which traps the potent greenhouse gas methane � is
Here's hoping the liberal Messiah will put a special section on the tax
returns in 2010 so you liberals can give as much as you'd like to the
global warming scam.
Leave the rest of us alone with this silliness.
buzz
> In article <Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136>,
> Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> there trust
>
The pines are dying of the pine bark beetle, has nothing to do with
global warming because there isn't any global warming.
Barack Hussein Obama...MMM MMM MMM
Send HIM to Pakistan to fight Osama...MMM MMM MMM
Simple-minded dummycrats (the party that birthed the KKK) and
liberals...morons electing morons.
Freestyle
> > Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
> >> there trust
>
> > That would explain all the dying pine trees in the western US.
>
> The pines are dying of the pine bark beetle, has nothing to do with
> global warming because there isn't any global warming.
>
Why are there more pine bark beetles killing pines?
Because they die in the cold genius.
Freestyle
> P. U. Stinkly wrote:
> > Once in a China Blue Moon wrote:
> >> Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this
> >>> betrayal of there trust
>
> >> That would explain all the dying pine trees in the western US.
>
> > Of course globble warming is a hoax. I saw it on a website!!!!!!
>
> Of course "climate change" is real. I saw it on a website!!! :^)
>
> Al Gore must be in mourning this evening!!!! His "global warming" scam
> has been busted!!!! LUVIT!!!
Denying the reality of Global Warming is right up there with denying
the Holocaust.
But what is one to expect from sheeple who also believe the Earth is
6,000 years old?
palin@tsniffsniff.net J. Norman Gype
"buzz" <bu...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:hefc6c$mj$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
Denial is a river in Africa. Dumbassness runs in Pug families.
Clairbear
news:chine.bleu-B6385...@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136>,
> Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this
>> betrayal of there trust
>
> That would explain all the dying pine trees in the western US.
>
Ta a biology course maybe then you will understand how infestation kill
tree. The Elm trees died off in the east along time before the fraudsters
came up with global warming
Clairbear
news:8e67bce8-54d9-40ec...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
And yet the hacked emails refute the ecofascist rhetoric
Clairbear
news:m66dne1cbPlMsJbW...@rcn.net:
Bad science = Bad conclusions
Fake Science = Bad conclusions
Bab & Fake Science+Hidden contardiction of the"science"=Global Warming Scam
Clairbear
f15fe9...@p33g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 23, 7:50�pm, 1-20-2013 <01202...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote:
>> P. U. Stinkly wrote:
>> > Once in a China Blue Moon wrote:
>> >> In article <Xns9CCCBB58FD1F0clairb...@198.186.192.136>,
>> >> �Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this
>> >>> betrayal of there trust
>>
>> >> That would explain all the dying pine trees in the western US.
>>
>> > Of course globble warming is a hoax. I saw it on a website!!!!!!
>>
>> Of course "climate change" is real. I saw it on a website!!! :^)
>>
>> Al Gore must be in mourning this evening!!!! �His "global warming" scam
>> has been busted!!!! �LUVIT!!!
>
> Denying the reality of Global Warming is right up there with denying
> the Holocaust.
Faking science to support global warming is like faking photos and
evidence to deny the holocaust. No one is denyingthgat temps have gotten
warmer but the science invented to explain it is as false as the claims of
Ahmadinejad regarding the holocaust
> But what is one to expect from sheeple who also believe the Earth is
> 6,000 years old?
>
Boy, now there is a preposterous leap of illogic.
Sid9
"1-20-2013" <0120...@obamas-lastday.com> wrote in message
news:m66dne1cbPlMsJbW...@rcn.net...
.
Actually, it's to late to do anything about it.
Clairbear
@adenine.netfront.net:
So you admit that it's too late the cat is out of the faked global warming
results. Sidney is finally admitting the error in his thoughts. Maybe there
is hope for senile old liberals like you after all.
America the Stupid
"Clairbear" <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136...
> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
> there trust
> Harry , Sidney, mitchie et al. we got a big fat crow for you Thankgiving
> dinner You guys might want to invaite AlGore over to share your meal
Your ignorance is astounding. You actually believe what super market
tabloids tell you?
Unbelievable.
1-20-2013
Why is Obama still pushing his Cap and Tax bill then? Just another
example of democrats never seeing a new tax that they didn't just adore?
buzz
>
>> Once in a China Blue Moon wrote:
>>> In article <Xns9CCCBB58F...@198.186.192.136>,
>>> Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How is it our local liberal eco fascists are'nt reporting this betrayal of
>>>> there trust
>>> That would explain all the dying pine trees in the western US.
>> The pines are dying of the pine bark beetle, has nothing to do with
>> global warming because there isn't any global warming.
>
Mountain pine bark beetles have a one year life cycle. The female adult
lays eggs in a tunnel just under the bark were the eggs hatch and the
larvae spend the winter under the bark then emerge in the spring to
continue killing trees. For freezing temperatures to affect a large
number of larvae during the winter, temps of at least 30 degrees F below
zero must be maintained for at least five days, something which seldom
happens even in the Colorado Rockies during winter. So based on that
alone, most will survive the winter. Has nothing to do with or the lack
of global warming.
Sid9
.
We may be able to slow it down....maybe.
Personally, I think it's too late.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Al Gore is now serving Kool-Ade in any classroom you enter...
Stop in and get your fill.
Clairbear
news:4b0c07af$0$764$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
Hey Scotty any idea what "globble warming" is? Is it something to do with
Thanksgiving leftovers?
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Once in a China Blue Moon said about:
Re: Global warming fraud expose by NYT and others
> In article <heg15j$6je$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, buzz <bu...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> > number of larvae during the winter, temps of at least 30 degrees F below
> > zero must be maintained for at least five days, something which seldom
> > happens even in the Colorado Rockies during winter. So based on that
>
> If this has been true for a long time, say several decades, then pine trees
> would've died off many years ago. Instead they are dying off now. Which means
> the change is recent; which means only within the last few years have winters
> become too mild to keep them in check.
It's caused by dryness. Normally pitch floods the tunnels,
killing them off.
One thing besides GW that could cause this is the regrowth
of clearcut forests. ....was plenty of water for the new
sapplings, but now the big, over crowded trees drink too much.
But still too small to be worth harvesting. This seems to be the
case near Palm Springs CA, (desert) elev 6,000 ft.
Looking for any one solution may be a mistake.
>
> Only idiots like you cannot deal with such a chain of inferences.
>
> --
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. I'm whoever you want me to be.
> Silver silverware - Where is the love? At least I can stay in character.
> Oval swimming pool - Where is the love? Annoying Usenet one post at a time.
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. We support you, Sarah.
- Political Economics:
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
- Republicans: think the very rich are the backbone of America.
- Democrats: think the middle class are the backbone of America.
- Republicans: are terrified some may get more than they deserve.
- Democrats: are terrified most earn less than they deserve.
- Republicans: think Americans deserve 27th in health care.
- Democrats: think Americans deserve better.
- Republicans: think health care is mostly about defending profits.
- Democrats: think health care is mostly about defending health.
- Republicans: must lie to get people to do right.
- Democrats: must be honest to get people to do right.
- Republicans: fear government but trust corporations.
- Democrats: fear both.
- "Fascism...is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini
So? How might that happen in America?
The fist steps of that merger would be:
1) deregulating corporations
and
2) give them "personhood" rights. -- Then
3) define money as being protected speech. Holy.
......... Of course, that's all done.
Voila!
Day Brown
> One thing besides GW that could cause this is the regrowth
> of clearcut forests. ....was plenty of water for the new
> sapplings, but now the big, over crowded trees drink too much.
> But still too small to be worth harvesting. This seems to be the
> case near Palm Springs CA, (desert) elev 6,000 ft.
>
> Looking for any one solution may be a mistake.
Discusses how aspen grows faster with higher CO2 levels. Even tho pine
and oak do not. I cant imagine why. But the point is that there are both
unintended and unrecognized upsides and downsides to GW. I disagree; any
single solution will certainly be a mistake.
Whether GW is man made or not, it is certainly going on, as the geology
shows has happened before. And just as every time the climate changed in
the past was different from every other time it changed, so this time
will also be different from all the others. What I am certain about is
that the warming is going on, and faster than ever, more consistently
than at any point in the ice core record.
I was born on a farm in 1939, so I pay attention, and have seen the
change in the crops that are profitable. I see it in my own garden; the
seed catalogs say my first frost should be Oct 15. It didnt show up
until Nov 28. THATS FIVE WEEKS LATE! if you know anything at all about
statistics, that variation from the expected standard is either a one in
a million shot, or the expected standard is wrong.
The question is not whether GW is man made, but whether any policy can
be put in place to stop it. That answer is certain also. No. Machiavelli
says consensus takes too long to respond in the necessary timely manner.