The group behind this smear campaign calls itself "Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth." But the truth is the last thing they are interested in.
President Bush refuses to condemn this group. He wants them to do his dirty
work. But this effort to distract attention from the issues that matter most
has failed.
This morning, John Kerry said he learned an important lesson in Vietnam:
"When you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the
attacker." Today he took these lessons to heart, knocked down these charges,
and made a firm commitment to the American people that the lies about his
military service will not stop him from fighting for affordable health care,
good-paying jobs, and keeping America secure.
This doesn't mean that these blatantly false attacks won't continue -- the
Bush-Cheney campaign is desperate and has no record to run on. But it does
mean that we are not going to let them distract us from letting people know
about John Kerry's plan to make America stronger at home and respected in
the world.
Read the Washington Post article:
http://www.johnkerry.com/article
Read John Kerry's statement from his speech at the International Association
of Firefighters Convention in Boston this morning:
Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has
been attacking me. Of course, this group isn't interested in the truth --
and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the
nomination for president.
But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by
hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas.
They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the president won't
denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know -- he
wants them to do his dirty work.
Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam
and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry
the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.
As firefighters you risk your lives every day. You know what it's like to
see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you've done -- and so am
I.
Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my
service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack
group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service
in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'
I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America --
then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and
courage of the men who saw battle with me.
And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not
stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security -- the issues
that really matter to the American people.
Thank you,
Mary Beth Cahill
Campaign Manager
Paid for by Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.
--
READ MY LIPS-NO MORE BUSH'S!
*******************************************
Bush's 300 Supporters:
http://tinyurl.com/4wotv
Kerry's 50,000 Suporters:
http://tinyurl.com/3lwjd
Same day, same city, Portland, Oregon.
Has Kerry condemed Soros?
Why?
Soros hasn't produced any ads which lie and distort.
--
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
Did Kerry say that he was going to release an X-Ray of his leg to show the
shrapnel? No? Why not?
==================
Rocky Mountain News
August 14, 2004
According to Newsweek's assistant managing editor Evan Thomas,
"There's one other base here, the media. Let's talk a little media
bias here. The media, I think, wants Kerry to win and I think they're
going to portray Kerry and Edwards ... as being young and dynamic and
optimistic and there's going to be this glow about them..." (Inside
Washington television show, July 10).
Thomas' prediction is amply supported by the (non)coverage which the
Denver dailies, like most of the rest of the media, have given to this
week's meltdown of the Kerry campaign.
As reported in The Congressional Record, on March 27, 1986, Sen. John
Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against U.S. support for the
anti-communist contras in Nicaragua:
"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I
remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge
and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling
the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in
Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared - seared - in me..."
Likewise, Kerry wrote an Oct. 14, 1979, letter to the editor of the
Boston Herald: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles
across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese
allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of
almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President
Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."
He repeated the Cambodia Christmas story in Senate committee hearings
in June 1992 and September 1997.
Actually, in December 1968, the president of the United States was
Lyndon Johnson, not Richard Nixon. Nixon's statement that there were
"no American combat troops in Cambodia" was made in November 1971.
All available evidence indicates that Kerry was lying about Christmas
in Cambodia.
As detailed in the new book Unfit for Command, every officer in
Kerry's chain of command denies that Kerry's Swift boat came within 50
miles of Cambodia. Three crewmen on Kerry's boat have denied that they
ever went into Cambodia. (The other two refused to be interviewed.)
In Douglas Brinkley's Kerry biography, Tour of Duty, Kerry told
Brinkley that he spent Christmas Eve 1968 "near the Cambodian border"
in the town of Sa Dec. Sa Dec is in the center of South Vietnam and 50
miles from Cambodia.
The New York Daily News, the New York Post, The Washington Times, and
the London Telegraph all covered the Christmas in Cambodia story early
this week, but Colorado's Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post have
failed to do so.
In Colorado, the Cambodia fraud has been covered in depth on the Hugh
Hewitt Show, a national radio program broadcast on KNUS-AM (710) from
4-7 p.m. weekdays. Hewitt interviewed Steve Gardner, who served on
Kerry's boat for two of the four months that Kerry spent in Vietnam,
from November 1968 through January 1969. Gardner maintains that the
boat never came within 50 miles of Cambodia. You can read the
interview at: http://hughhewitt.com/index.htm#postid766
The Denver dailies have covered the story exclusively by attacking
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth through:
* An Associated Press article in both papers reporting that
John McCain denounced the attacks on Kerry (without providing
any evidence that the attacks are factually wrong);
* News columnist Mike Littwin criticizing Bush for not criticizing
the Swift boat veterans (Aug. 7);
* The Post's Jim Spencer defending Kerry's Purple Hearts (a July
30 column with more substance than other Kerry defenses); and
* An AP article pointing out that John Corsi, the co-author of
Unfit for Command has made disparaging remarks about Islam
and Catholicism (News, Aug. 11).
Early in the week, the Kerry campaign denied that Kerry had ever
claimed to have spent Christmas in Cambodia. Confronted with evidence,
the campaign refused to answer questions. On Wednesday, the campaign
abandoned the Christmas-in-Cambodia story that had been "seared" in
Kerry's memory. The campaign told Fox News that Kerry was in Cambodia
sometime, but would not specify when. The campaign told ABC News that
Kerry was in the Mekong Delta, which "consists of the border between
Cambodia and Vietnam, so on Christmas Eve in 1968, he was in fact on
patrol."
To the contrary, the Mekong River flows from Cambodia into Vietnam and
does not border the two countries; the Mekong Delta is adjacent to the
Pacific Ocean, and is nowhere near Cambodia.
The News ignored the story of Kerry retracting three decades of
Christmas-in-Cambodia tales. The Post also ignored the story, and
instead ran the attack on John Corsi which had appeared the day before
in the News.
It is as if the media had covered the Bush National Guard story only
by impugning Bush's critics, while barely acknowledging the substance
of the charges. Evan Thomas was right.
[snip]
>>> The group behind this smear campaign calls itself "Swift Boat
>>> Veterans for
>>> Truth." But the truth is the last thing they are interested in.
>>>
>>> President Bush refuses to condemn this group.
>>
>> Has Kerry condemed Soros?
>
> Why?
>
> Soros hasn't produced any ads which lie and distort.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is an insult ... to Hitler.
>
>
>
"Avanti_Ken" <KMatson...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PVbVc.13726$PG2.3...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>
One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
around that day. He didn't refuse the medal then, he didn't correct
the reports then. Either lied to the military to keep the medal or he
lied in the ads. Either way he is a liar.
5 boats went out, 5 officers on them. One came back with a hole in it
to explain.
The SwiftLiars gave their reports on the day of the incident. Kerry
towed one disabled craft home so we know they arrived at base
together. If they LIED THAT DAY, that is the lie they are stuck with.
If they TOLD THE TRUTH THAT DAY then they lied in their ads. Either
way you have liars. Look at their records first. What did they say on
the day they made their reports.
Why aren't they releasing their records?
We have established these are FELONY FRAUD LIARS. Now look at the
records of everybody else involved in this FELONY FRAUD. Look at
Merrie Spaeth whose thankfully dead husband, Tex Lezar, ran on the
same ticket that got GWB the governors mansion in Texas. This guy's
name is on a NCPA list on the internet with six known organized crime
felon's who specialize in FRAUD of the body politic. Don't know who
Spaeth is? She was a 'Monica', a whitehouse fellow, in the same
building where Nancy Reagan used to sneak off to the Lincoln bedroom
with Frank Sinatra. She also is the organizer of the first wave of
publicity for these FELONY FRAUD SWIFT BOAT ORGANIZED CRIME OPERATORS.
Demand Spaeth's records. Demand Lezar's records. Demand the
Lezar-Spaeth crime family friend's records.
There's a whole lot of records that Bob Perry is going to be
producing. Every federal and state agency will be on him like stink on
shit, making him produce records. You don't fund a CRIME OPERATION and
walk into the sunset whistling Dixie. Spaeth, and all, did a hatchet
job on McCain and robbed the republican party of his candidacy, but
they tangled with tougher meat than they know how to chew now.
Demand Bob Perry's records.
You want records. I'll release records. Read 'em and weep... Your
whole stinking organized crime network laid out so that even dumbfuk
jurors can follow without any shadow of a doubt.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Koctopus_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Killer_David_Koch.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/CSE_Organized_Crime.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_CFACT.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Seitz_Tobacco_Crimes.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Nightline.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-1993-1994.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Singer-Seitz.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Stohrer-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Hazeltine-Singer.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Heidelberg-Appeal.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Sallie_Baliunas.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Walter_Williams_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Richard_S_Lindzen.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/ADTI_Frauds_01.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/AdTI_Villians.htm
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Pelosi.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Becky_Norton_Dunlop_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Confronting_AdTI.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Chrispeels.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Idsos.html
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Corrupt_Fred_Michel.html
>Today marks the end of the dishonest and disgusting smear campaign against
>John Kerry and his crewmates from Vietnam. This morning on the front page of
>the Washington Post, one of the central figures in the effort to distort
>John Kerry's military service was completely discredited.
>
>The group behind this smear campaign calls itself "Swift Boat Veterans for
>Truth." But the truth is the last thing they are interested in.
>
>President Bush refuses to condemn this group. He wants them to do his dirty
>work. But this effort to distract attention from the issues that matter most
>has failed.
One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
>> President Bush refuses to condemn this group.
>
>Has Kerry condemed Soros?
One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
>>>President Bush refuses to condemn this group.
>>
>>
>> Has Kerry condemed Soros?
>
>
>Why?
>
>Soros hasn't produced any ads which lie and distort.
>
>Did the article say that
One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause the bullets were flying
Or Gore or Kennedy?
>
>
>
Good post! I wish it were more than Colorado centric.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Soros and Moveon.org had nothing to do with that.
It was submitted by someone in a contest.
Both Soros and Moveon.org are shills and attack dogs for the
Democratic party...why hasn't Kerry told Soros and Moveon.org to back
off?
>
> It was submitted by someone in a contest.
Yes, someone who was obviously a democrat doing Kerry's dirty work for
him. Why hasn't Kerry denounced it?
>
> "Psalm 110" <SwiftyLiars@Go_to_Hell.org> wrote in message
> news:jotai01oe3adur44t...@4ax.com...
>: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:44:23 GMT, Tempest <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>:
>: >>>President Bush refuses to condemn this group.
>: >>
>: >>
>: >> Has Kerry condemed Soros?
>: >
>: >
>: >Why?
>: >
>: >Soros hasn't produced any ads which lie and distort.
>: >
>: One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause KERRY WROTE THAT
> the bullets were flying
>: around that day. He didn't refuse the medal (SENT TO HIM AFTER
> HE WAS OUT OF MILITARY SERVICE) then, he (RECIPIENTS HAVE NO
> AUTHORITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING - KERRY IS THE FABRICATOR OF THE
> DOCUMENTS ----- A FEDERAL CRIME! didn't correct
>: the reports then. Either lied to the {YOU ARE A LYING
> PIECE OF MANURE AND KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE MILITARY)
>
> Tell me something, how can you ignoramouses support Clionton's
> draft-dodger status and Kerry's 'tails of heroism'?
>
Why do you think anyone supporting Kerrys' "tails" (sic) of heroism,
which happen to be documented, unlike Bush's alleged service in Alabama,
also supports Clinton's "draft-dodger status"?
>
> People like you deserve a Hitler, nothing less will do, because
> you are incapable or rational thought and civil discourse.
>
And right now we have one. Nifty, eh?
> ALL YOUR TRASH IS ANTI-US MILITARY!
>
No, what is anti-us military are all these swift liars who never served
with Kerry running around claiming that military records of honorable
service are somehow fraudulent. The implication is that *all* such
records are fraudulent and that *all* military personel should be
embarassed. Or did you think that Kerry was the one and only person in
all of Vietnam that got special treatment? You probably did. And you
probably think that George W. Bush's service in the National Guard was
totally honorable even though there are no actual records of it much less
a single human being who can recall serving with Bush. Isn't that odd?
Here you have 150 some odd "swift vets" who were not in Vietnam at the
same time as Kerry yet they all claim to have been eyewitnesses to
Kerry's dastardly deeds and still there is not one single person who has
come forward and said "I saw George W. Bush at Dannelly".
> <ANTI-USA BLATHERINGS OF AN IDIOT SNIPPED>
>
Snip what you cannot refute. Nice.
--
Take Back America
Vote Libertarian
Elect Mike Badnarik
http://www.badnarik.org/
<snip>
How about telling us how the attacks are false, John.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
>Has Kerry condemed Soros?
Why would he? What has Soros done or funded that was outright lies
like these Swift Liars for Rightards morons?
+--+
|George W. Bush is a deserter: http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
+--+
>>
Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
http://tinyurl.com/4uc37 http://tinyurl.com/54lqw
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gd
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdy http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3c http://tinyurl.com/63zvu
http://tinyurl.com/43fek
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery http://tinyurl.com/4vrwq http://tinyurl.com/496xl
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board, http://tinyurl.com/5afl5 http://tinyurl.com/6l7vn
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt http://tinyurl.com/6kaso
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7dd http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://tinyurl.com/6xnut
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf http://tinyurl.com/5szod
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqd
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://tinyurl.com/5l66z
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://tinyurl.com/4zkmo
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz
*** Dr. Louis Letson http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's. http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:
### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 Google.com Results 6,000 for "Heritage
Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000 http://tinyurl.com/68tqj Google.com Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j Google.com Results 1,920 for "American
Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000 http://tinyurl.com/3tg26
Google.com Results 2,880 for "Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs Google.com Results about 2,590 for "Citizens
for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500 http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 Google.com
Results 1,920 for "Cato Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy Google.com Results 2,550 for "National Center
for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000 http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae
Google.com Results 2,670 for "Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR
Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn Google.com Results 2,550 for "Competitive
Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 Google.com Results 2,480 for "American
Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000 http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc
Google.com Results 2,440 for "Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat
OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000 http://tinyurl.com/46hys
Google.com Results 5,240 for "Media Research Center" Swift boat OR
Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000 http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3
Google.com Results 2,450 for "Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat
OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000 http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 Google.com
Results 1,200 for "Media Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g Google.com Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>
*** http://tinyurl.com/55jrw Results 42,600 for "Washington Times"
Swift boat OR Boats.
>> Comparing Bush to Hitler is an insult ... to Hitler.
>
>
>Soros and Moveon.org had nothing to do with that.
>
>It was submitted by someone in a contest.
Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
(Left-wing moveon.org and other leftist propaganda deleted in deference to
truth)
Can you say "Censorship"?
Who is suing who to shut them up? Kerry's lawyers are!
Who doesn't face up and credibly refute? Kerry!
Who keeps changing their stories? Kerry!
Your crappy references can't hold shucks much less water.
jt
Listen and then watch John Kerry lie like a rug.
"Jas M >" <<Jas M...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cg5kd...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> "Psalm 110" <SwiftyLiars@Go_to_Hell.org> wrote in message
> news:jotai01oe3adur44t...@4ax.com...
> : On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:44:23 GMT, Tempest <tem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :
> : >>>President Bush refuses to condemn this group.
> : >>
> : >>
> : >> Has Kerry condemed Soros?
> : >
> : >
> : >Why?
> : >
> : >Soros hasn't produced any ads which lie and distort.
> : >
> : One of the SwiftLiars got a medal beacause KERRY WROTE THAT
> the bullets were flying
> : around that day. He didn't refuse the medal (SENT TO HIM AFTER
> HE WAS OUT OF MILITARY SERVICE) then, he (RECIPIENTS HAVE NO
> AUTHORITY TO CHANGE ANYTHING - KERRY IS THE FABRICATOR OF THE
> DOCUMENTS ----- A FEDERAL CRIME! didn't correct
> : the reports then. Either lied to the {YOU ARE A LYING
> PIECE OF MANURE AND KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE MILITARY)
>
> Tell me something, how can you ignoramouses support Clionton's
> draft-dodger status and Kerry's 'tails of heroism'?
>
>
> People like you deserve a Hitler, nothing less will do, because
> you are incapable or rational thought and civil discourse.
>
> ALL YOUR TRASH IS ANTI-US MILITARY!
>
Except you are wrong. Every last one of the swiftboat vets served
right along side Kerry - not all were under his command on his boat,
but the swift boats operated in small 4-5 boat flotillas all the time,
and the swift vets were easily able to observe Kerry in action. Or
inaction, as is the more appropriate case. These guys bunked, slept,
ate, and fought the war together. They were there, with Kerry, and
they certainly have a right to voice their misgivings about the
character of a possible (shudder, gag, vomit) future
commander-in-chief.
> The implication is that *all* such
> records are fraudulent and that *all* military personel should be
> embarassed. Or did you think that Kerry was the one and only person in
> all of Vietnam that got special treatment? You probably did.
Well, we know that John Kerry was the only officer in the History of
the Navy that managed to get a purple heart without an accompanying
combat report. He was also the only officer in the Navy during
VietNam that was reassigned after 3 purple hearts. The other officers
elected to finish out their tours.
> And you
> probably think that George W. Bush's service in the National Guard was
> totally honorable even though there are no actual records of it much less
> a single human being who can recall serving with Bush.
Wrong again. Bush's pay records (released, unlike Kerry's) show that
Bush drilled every day he was required to drill. He did miss some
drills when asked for and received permission to take time off to work
on a senate campaign, but he made them up. He was never AWOL, not
once, not a single time. Bush has an honorable discharge - you don't
get an honorable discharge from the military if you are AWOL, no
matter what your last name is.
> Isn't that odd?
> Here you have 150 some odd "swift vets" who were not in Vietnam at the
> same time as Kerry yet they all claim to have been eyewitnesses to
> Kerry's dastardly deeds and still there is not one single person who has
> come forward and said "I saw George W. Bush at Dannelly".
Several people saw Bush in Alabama, and have said as much. Bush
bashers just don't bother checking it out.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-13-bush-alabama_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-13-bush-military_x.htm
The "Bush was AWOL" leftwing liberal wet dream has been so thoroughly
debunked so often, that I'm surprised it keeps coming up. I guess if
I supported Kerry, however, and I knew his record, I'd be tempted to
try a diversion tactic, too.
mj
Soros, Moveon.org, et al have been putting out ads and lying about
President Bush for the last year. A recent one that comes to mind was
the lie about the proposed overtime pay from the administration.
Moveon.org had the study about it, they KNEW that that Bush's proposal
would INCREASE the ability for more people to claim overtime, and they
put out an ad that was a flat-out lie that claimed Bush was taking
away overtime pay. Soros, that radical leftist billionaire who is
jewish but hates jews, funded numerous print ads last year that flat
out lied about the Bush administration. Soros is part and parcel of
the 527 groups that continually put out LIE after LIE after LIE about
president Bush. Where's Lurch on all of this? I don't hear Lurch
denouncing Soros. I don't hear Lurch denouncing moveon.org.
President Bush has called for a ban on ALL soft money 527 ads -
afterall, he's been the target of over 60 million dollars of negative
ads by them, while Kerry has really only been hit by ONE ad - the
swift vets' ad. Kerry is proving to be a typical left wing
hypocrite. He wants it both ways. He wants Soros and 527's to
continue to blast Bush with lies, but he becomes unhinged if a
negative ad is directed at him. Here's a suggestion for Lurch -
rather than whining to the FEC with a nonsensical complaint about the
swifties, why not ADDRESS the charges? Release your records? Be
TRUTHFUL?
MJ
>John Kerry
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/639as veteran working to help re-elect incumbent
president George W. Bush resigned
** http://tinyurl.com/5w7by More Republican Ties Revealed Behind
"Swift Boat Vets For Bush"
** http://tinyurl.com/6wre9 Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure
-- Cordier's connection to the Bush campaign was made public yesterday
by the Kerry campaign, which found that Cordier had been named on the
Bush Web site earlier this month as a member of the veterans committee
** http://tinyurl.com/4gs53 Cordier was SWFT and GOP operative at same
time. Kenneth Cordier, a retired colonel ... who appeared in an
advertisement to be aired by the anti-Kerry group, SWVT, would on
longer serve in his voluntary position on President George W. Bush's
veterans steering committee.
** http://tinyurl.com/5telj Republican Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas,
chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that while the
group had "every right" to express their opinion, "WE OUGHT TO GET OUT
OF THE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION BUSINESS."
NEWS - August 21, 2004
**
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=1
http://tinyurl.com/4r7a8
** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4fyem Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete And Flawed
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6wvtm Anti-Kerry vets not there that day
**
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040821kerry,1,7582568.story?coll=chi-news-hed
http://tinyurl.com/6v4no Swift boat skipper: Kerry critics wrong --
Tribune editor breaks long silence on Kerry record; fought in disputed
battle
**
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGE08C6V11.DTL
http://tinyurl.com/45xfx Kerry's Vietnam-era testimony criticized in
new attack ad -- Democrat counters with endorsement by retired general
** http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-camp21.html
http://tinyurl.com/4jjth Dems see link to Swift Boat Vets, Bush-Cheney
----------------------------------
*** George W. Bush - Closely tied to Merrie Spaeth's husband Tex
Lezar, benefitted from Bob Perry money, linked to Karl Rove, to
Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, to Regnery publishing, to Harlan Crow
http://tinyurl.com/4uc37GOOGLE.COM Results 220 for "George W. Bush"
Merrie Spaeth Tex Lezar.
http://tinyurl.com/54lqwGOOGLE.COM Results 257 for "George W. Bush"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gdGOOGLE.COM Results 613 for "George W. Bush"
"Bob Perry"".
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news/11015.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991108&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19991108&c=2&s=dreyfuss
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http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=hfd83c00&fmt=tif&ref=results
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdyGOOGLE.COM Results 5,100 for "Karl Rove"
"Swift Boat".
http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158396.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158370.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3cGOOGLE.COM Results 814 for "Merrie Spaeth"
republican.
http://tinyurl.com/63zvuGOOGLE.COM Results 317 for "Merrie Spaeth"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/43fekGOOGLE.COM Results 10 for "Tex Lezar" tobacco.
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/4vrwqGOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"
Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp
http://tinyurl.com/6l7vnGOOGLE.COM Results 113 for "Harlan Crow"
Holdings.
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8GOOGLE.COM Results 217 for "Harlan Crow"
swift.
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=79&media_type=TEXT
http://tinyurl.com/6kasoGOOGLE.COM Results 1,630 for "Bob Perry"
swift.
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7ddGOOGLE.COM Results 43 for "Stevens Reed Curcio
& Potholm" swift.
http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw http://srcpmedia.com/house.html
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://srcpmedia.com/senate.html
http://tinyurl.com/6xnut http://srcpmedia.com/work.html
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill
http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://www.phillips.com/eagle.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Richard%20Scaife
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf
http://www.prospect.org/print/V11/5/confessore-n.html
http://tinyurl.com/5szod http://www.americanreview.us/back32.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqdGOOGLE.COM Results 146 for "Regnery
Publishing" Richard Mellon Scaife.
*** Jerome R. Corsi Linked to Richard Scaife, to O'Neill, to Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/5a83u http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120001
http://tinyurl.com/5l66z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110007
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
http://tinyurl.com/4zkmo
http://www.salon.com/src/ads/house/gateway/tv_head_gateway.html?http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/08/06/mccain_on_swift_boat_veterans/index_np.html
http://tinyurl.com/5zyuz http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010
*** Dr. Louis Letson
http://tinyurl.com/3sf73
http://www.fearofclowns.com/text/kerry_faked_first_purple_heart_debunked/
http://tinyurl.com/5atvt
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
*** William L. Schachte Jr., a retired rear admiral
http://tinyurl.com/3wttr
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04228/361477.stm
http://tinyurl.com/65xuf
http://www.underzealous.com/index.php/2004/08/13/p522
*** Larry Thurlow, who said his boat was 50 to 60 yards from Mr.
Kerry's.
http://tinyurl.com/5m4dc
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/6fyu4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
http://tinyurl.com/5mhcw
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i6344
The felony fraud organized crime ring is further connected to other
organiced crime fraud operations:
### Richard Mellon Scaife <http://tinyurl.com/5vdpe> is trumpetting it
from his publications. Scaife is historically linked to several of the
felons in the SwiftLiars crime ring. Scaife also funds a broad
coalition of websites and front organizations which are also promoting
this felony conspiracy though their own fraud crime operations:
Scaife thrall organization and Scaife leash-dollars put in it:
*** Heritage Foundation, $20,696,640 (Townhall.com)
http://tinyurl.com/6ng83 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 6,000 for
"Heritage Foundation" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
$5,201,000
http://tinyurl.com/68tqj GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,750 for
"American Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Spectator Educational Foundation, Inc. $4,144,000
http://tinyurl.com/3n92j GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for
"American Spectator" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Accuracy in Media, Inc. $3,225,000
http://tinyurl.com/3tg26 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,880 for
"Accuracy in Media" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation $2,335,000
http://tinyurl.com/53kxs GOOGLE.COM Results Results about 2,590 for
"Citizens for a Sound Economy" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Cato Institute $1,872,500
http://tinyurl.com/6jrt7 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,920 for "Cato
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Policy Analysis $1,760,000
http://tinyurl.com/4yyhy GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"National Center for Policy Analysis" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Independent Women's Forum $1,600,000
http://tinyurl.com/4j9ae GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,670 for
"Independent Women's Forum" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Competitive Enterprise Institute $1,525,000
http://tinyurl.com/585fn GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,550 for
"Competitive Enterprise Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** American Legislative Exchange Council $1,495,000
http://tinyurl.com/5kuo9 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,480 for
"American Legislative Exchange Council" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Defenders of Property Rights $965,000
http://tinyurl.com/4l3gc GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,440 for
"Defenders of Property Rights" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Research Center, Inc. $952,000
http://tinyurl.com/46hys GOOGLE.COM Results Results 5,240 for "Media
Research Center" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Institute for Humane Studies $950,000
http://tinyurl.com/3w7b3 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,450 for
"Institute for Humane Studies" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** National Center for Public Policy Research, Inc. $825,000
http://tinyurl.com/59wll Google.com 2,610 for "National Center for
Public Policy Research" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Media Institute $645,000
http://tinyurl.com/6s7b4 GOOGLE.COM Results Results 1,200 for "Media
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
*** Acton Institute For The Study of Religion and Liberty $565,000
http://tinyurl.com/6h98g GOOGLE.COM Results Results 2,470 for "Acton
Institute" Swift boat OR Boats.
### Sun Myung Moon is another felony fraud conspirator using his
organized crime operation to advance his candidate who has a bilnd eye
to Moon's crimes. The WASHINGTON TIMES and UPI wireservice is Moonie
front operations. <
http://tinyurl.com/6nlt9>
***
http://tinyurl.com/55jrwGOOGLE.COM Results 42,600 for "Washington
Times" Swift boat OR Boats.
SUN MYUNG MOON uses "CHURCH PROPERTY", helps create 42,600 webpages
circulating LIES.
> "Dick \"Go F%*& Yourself\" Cheney" <bio_dud...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns954BA4F52189Dbi...@130.133.1.4>...
> <snip>
>
>>
>>>ALL YOUR TRASH IS ANTI-US MILITARY!
>>>
>>
>>No, what is anti-us military are all these swift liars who never served
>>with Kerry running around claiming that military records of honorable
>>service are somehow fraudulent.
>
>
> Except you are wrong. Every last one of the swiftboat vets served
> right along side Kerry - not all were under his command on his boat,
> but the swift boats operated in small 4-5 boat flotillas all the time,
> and the swift vets were easily able to observe Kerry in action. Or
> inaction, as is the more appropriate case. These guys bunked, slept,
> ate, and fought the war together. They were there, with Kerry, and
> they certainly have a right to voice their misgivings about the
> character of a possible (shudder, gag, vomit) future
> commander-in-chief.
John O'Neill who is spearheading the 'Swiftboat' campaign never even met
Kerry till after the war - and certainly never served with him -- yet he
is on TV day after day claiming to have 'served with Kerry' and claiming
that 'our boats did this and that -- and I wouldn't be here if they had
behaved like Kerry's boat' -- suggesting that he WAS there the day Kerry
won the bronze star
these men are Republicans who want to defeat Kerry, they are organized
by Rove, and they are mad because Kerry opposed the war --
they are entitled to be mad at Kerry for opposing the war -- and to vote
against him -- they are not entitled to lie [and the fact that they
contradict both the record made at the time AND in many cases their own
words a few years ago -- suggests the level of cravenness their group
stoops to]
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
LATEST NEWS - August 22, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/4yeu7 Kerry also picked up support from Wayne D.
Langhofer, who told The Washington Post he was manning a machine gun
in a boat behind Kerry's and saw firing from both banks of a river as
Kerry dived in to rescue Special Forces soldier James Rassmann, the
basis for Kerry's Bronze Star.
** http://tinyurl.com/6ubnz SwillBoater claims he has no evidence
** http://tinyurl.com/639as SwiftLie vet working to help re-elect
----------------------------------
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Maybe you had best go back and read the actual reports once again.
Then maybe you wouldn't make such outrageously stupid claims.
+--+
|George W. Bush is a deserter: http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
|Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
+--+
Jenn, you are right about O'Neill...O'Neill took over Kerry's boat
after Kerry left so he did not serve with Kerry. But O'Neill isn't
claiming he did serve alongside Kerry - what O'Neill did was to
interview and compile the evidence from the other vets who clearly DID
serve alongside Kerry. Thurlow, Chenoweth, O'Dell, Pees...the
division commanders, etc...all of these folks did serve alongside
Kerry.
>
> these men are Republicans who want to defeat Kerry,
ALL of them? You have access to their voter registration records and
voting histories? If so, please post! I wasn't aware there was proof
that all of the vets are Republicans.
> they are organized
> by Rove, and they are mad because Kerry opposed the war --
NONE of them are mad at Kerry for opposing the war - they are mad at
Kerry for LYING about war crimes that were never committed.
>
> they are entitled to be mad at Kerry for opposing the war -- and to vote
> against him -- they are not entitled to lie [and the fact that they
> contradict both the record made at the time AND in many cases their own
> words a few years ago -- suggests the level of cravenness their group
> stoops to]
I haven't yet seen proof of a single "lie" by any of the swifties. In
fact, their recollections have remained remarkably consistent. Again,
if you have proof of a lie, lets see it.
mj
Of the veterans that O'Neill interviewed for his book "Unfit for
command", which ones did not serve with Kerry?
mj
> "Dick \"Go F%*& Yourself\" Cheney" <bio_dud...@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:<Xns954BA4F52189Dbi...@130.133.1.4>...
> <snip>
>>
>>
>> > ALL YOUR TRASH IS ANTI-US MILITARY!
>> >
>> No, what is anti-us military are all these swift liars who never
>> served with Kerry running around claiming that military records of
>> honorable service are somehow fraudulent.
>
> Except you are wrong. Every last one of the swiftboat vets served
> right along side Kerry - not all were under his command on his boat,
Official military records would seem to contradict this. Here's a little
story about that:
http://www.nationalreview.com/rose/rose200404211228.asp
"After a year on the Woodpecker, O'Neill transferred to the Swift boats
in the spring of 1969, serving on them until the summer of 1970. "
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml
"A couple of weeks later, on March 13, 1969, a mine detonated near
Kerry's boat, wounding Kerry in the right arm [for which he received his
third purple heart].... Then, at the beginning of April 1969, Kerry left
Vietnam."
Now I don't know about your calendar, but on mine, Spring 1969 didn't
start until the third week of March, a week after Kerry was wounded the
third time and 2 weeks before Kerry left Vietnam entirely.
So, at best, O'Neill "served with Kerry" for 2 weeks. 2 weeks during
which time Kerry was not on active duty after having been wounded. 2
weeks during which *NONE* of the "disputed" events occurred. Therefore,
John O'Neill could not have "served right along side Kerry." That makes
you a liar.
BTW, John O'Neill is also a liar. From the first cite:
"In the Swifts, says O'Neill, the average length of service was twelve
months; John Kerry was in for four."
Of course, Kerry also served a year on the USS Gridley before his tour on
the swift boats. BTW, since a tour of duty lasted at most 12 months, how
could 12 months be the "average"? See, you beloved hero, Mr. John
O'Neill, is a pathological liar. But you go right ahead and continue to
believe him and repeat his lies and in so doing you are smearing every
man and woman who served with honor in Vietnam. Why do you hate our
veterans?
10 of the 15 dogfaces that were in the 3 boats, ya fucking traitor.
Fresh Links to Republican FELONY FRAUD SmearBoats villians
HOT NEWS! Exposing more on the Felony Fraud SwiftLiars Organized Crime
connections
LATEST NEWS - August 23, 2004
** http://tinyurl.com/3kt5v Silver Star incident: Langhofer, on other
boat, saw firing from both banks of a river.
** http://tinyurl.com/5bf5k Vets, others call for resignation of
prosecutor in SwiftLies ad
** http://tinyurl.com/63wmp Republican prosecutor Alfred French's lies
on affidavit about events he did not witness.
** http://tinyurl.com/65qsn Republican prosecuter's Anti-Kerry hearsay
is worthless.
August 22 or earlier:
** http://tinyurl.com/4e3y2 BusinessWeek: Flinging the Foul Mud of
Vietnam. John Kerry returned a hero. The smears his political enemies
are now flinging mark them -- not him -- as beneath contempt
** http://tinyurl.com/4yeu7 Kerry also picked up support from Wayne D.
Langhofer, who told The Washington Post he was manning a machine gun
in a boat behind Kerry's and saw firing from both banks of a river as
Kerry dived in to rescue Special Forces soldier James Rassmann, the
basis for Kerry's Bronze Star.
** http://tinyurl.com/6arcy Bush campaign admits "Cordier was a
supporter of the President during the 2000 election and served as a
member of the President's veterans' steering committee during this
election."
** http://tinyurl.com/44t3g Registered Republican SwillBoat Ad Shill
was not there.
** http://tinyurl.com/3rtwt SwillBoat prosecutors presents heresay as
if he was eyewitness.
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http://tinyurl.com/4uc37 GOOGLE.COM Results 220 for "George W. Bush"
Merrie Spaeth Tex Lezar.
http://tinyurl.com/54lqw GOOGLE.COM Results 257 for "George W. Bush"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/6j2gd GOOGLE.COM Results 613 for "George W. Bush"
"Bob Perry"".
*** Karl Rove - Closely linked to GW Bush, to Merrie Spaeth, to John
O'Neill, to Bob Perry, to Harlan Crow, to organized crime conspiracies
of Philip Morris
http://tinyurl.com/3hpjo
http://tobaccodocuments.org/ai_news/11015.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5cmwh
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=19991108&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5gbbd
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=19991108&c=2&s=dreyfuss
http://tinyurl.com/5qcb2
http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/cgi/getdoc?tid=hfd83c00&fmt=tif&ref=results
http://tinyurl.com/6ocdy GOOGLE.COM Results 5,100 for "Karl Rove"
"Swift Boat".
http://tinyurl.com/69vjn
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158396.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
http://tinyurl.com/5l2ee
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2041158370.html?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22&?pattern=%22Karl%20Rove%22#images
*** Merrie Spaeth (Tex Lezar) Linked to GW Bush, Linked to smears of
John McCain using same criminal fraud tactics, to Karl Rove, Bob
Perry, to Ken Starr, linked to organized crime tobacco conspiracies
http://tinyurl.com/64v3c GOOGLE.COM Results 814 for "Merrie Spaeth"
republican.
http://tinyurl.com/63zvu GOOGLE.COM Results 317 for "Merrie Spaeth"
"Tex Lezar".
http://tinyurl.com/43fek GOOGLE.COM Results 10 for "Tex Lezar"
tobacco.
*** Roy F. Hoffmann, a retired rear admiral and a leader of the group
http://tinyurl.com/5h6za http://mediamatters.org/items/200406020006
http://tinyurl.com/3rx8z http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060011
*** John E. O'Neill (Charles Colson apprentice) Linked to Nixon,
registered republican and donor, linked to Crow and Perry, to Corsi
and Regnery
http://tinyurl.com/4vrwq GOOGLE.COM Results 482 for "John E. O'Neill"
Colson.
http://tinyurl.com/496xl
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O'Neill
*** Harlan Crow (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, to Perry AEI
board,
http://tinyurl.com/5afl5
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp
http://tinyurl.com/6l7vn GOOGLE.COM Results 113 for "Harlan Crow"
Holdings.
http://tinyurl.com/57oc8 GOOGLE.COM Results 217 for "Harlan Crow"
swift.
*** Bob J. Perry (Swiftliars funder) Linked to Bush, Rove, Crow
http://tinyurl.com/3oggt
http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=79&media_type=TEXT
http://tinyurl.com/6kaso GOOGLE.COM Results 1,630 for "Bob Perry"
swift.
*** Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, (SwillBoat Ad maker) Linked to
republican party, numerous republican polician campaigns
http://tinyurl.com/5z7dd GOOGLE.COM Results 43 for "Stevens Reed
Curcio & Potholm" swift.
http://tinyurl.com/6g7fc http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/55f4r http://srcpmedia.com/corp2.html
http://tinyurl.com/5uwlw http://srcpmedia.com/house.html
http://tinyurl.com/5nmv7 http://srcpmedia.com/senate.html
http://tinyurl.com/6xnut http://srcpmedia.com/work.html
*** Regnery, a conservative company linked to Richard Mellon Scaife
who manipulates best-seller book list rankings, to Ken Starr, to Corsi
and O'Neill
http://tinyurl.com/5qw2n http://www.phillips.com/eagle.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4zvy2
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Richard%20Scaife
http://tinyurl.com/6vbpf
http://www.prospect.org/print/V11/5/confessore-n.html
http://tinyurl.com/5szod http://www.americanreview.us/back32.htm
http://tinyurl.com/4ycqd GOOGLE.COM Results 146 for "Regnery
|>> Except you are wrong. Every last one of the swiftboat vets served
they all served with kerry, you nutless leftwing bootlicking statist....
>
> Jenn, you are right about O'Neill...O'Neill took over Kerry's boat
> after Kerry left so he did not serve with Kerry. But O'Neill isn't
> claiming he did serve alongside Kerry - what O'Neill did was to
> Of the veterans that O'Neill interviewed for his book "Unfit for
> command", which ones did not serve with Kerry?
make an informed decision....
Kerry's attempt to ban people who want to testify about
his past behavior is beyond contempt...and un-American....
Let us hear both sides of the story .....
America is still free.
hank
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Unamm"Goodbye Bushie!" <po...@thetoiley.net> wrote in message news:<10iafaj...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Today marks the end of the dishonest and disgusting smear campaign against
> John Kerry and his crewmates from Vietnam. This morning on the front page of
> the Washington Post, one of the central figures in the effort to distort
> John Kerry's military service was completely discredited.
>
> The group behind this smear campaign calls itself "Swift Boat Veterans for
> Truth." But the truth is the last thing they are interested in.
>
> President Bush refuses to condemn this group. He wants them to do his dirty
> work. But this effort to distract attention from the issues that matter most
> has failed.
>
> This morning, John Kerry said he learned an important lesson in Vietnam:
> "When you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the
> attacker." Today he took these lessons to heart, knocked down these charges,
> and made a firm commitment to the American people that the lies about his
> military service will not stop him from fighting for affordable health care,
> good-paying jobs, and keeping America secure.
>
> This doesn't mean that these blatantly false attacks won't continue -- the
> Bush-Cheney campaign is desperate and has no record to run on. But it does
> mean that we are not going to let them distract us from letting people know
> about John Kerry's plan to make America stronger at home and respected in
> the world.
>
> Read the Washington Post article:
>
> http://www.johnkerry.com/article
>
> Read John Kerry's statement from his speech at the International Association
> of Firefighters Convention in Boston this morning:
>
> Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has
> been attacking me. Of course, this group isn't interested in the truth --
> and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the
> nomination for president.
>
> But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by
> hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas.
> They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the president won't
> denounce what they're up to tells you everything you need to know -- he
> wants them to do his dirty work.
>
> Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam
> and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts.
> Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry
> the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.
>
> As firefighters you risk your lives every day. You know what it's like to
> see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you've done -- and so am
> I.
>
> Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my
> service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack
> group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service
> in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'
>
> I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America --
> then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and
> courage of the men who saw battle with me.
>
> And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not
> stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security -- the issues
> that really matter to the American people.
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mary Beth Cahill
> Campaign Manager
>
>
>
>
> Paid for by Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.
>
>
> --
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> *******************************************
> Bush's 300 Supporters:
> http://tinyurl.com/4wotv
>
> Kerry's 50,000 Suporters:
> http://tinyurl.com/3lwjd
>
> Same day, same city, Portland, Oregon.
>
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Pay attention, ya fucking insane terrorist supporter.
>In America...we hear both sides of an issue and then
>make an informed decision....
No we don't. Ever take a look at the FOX Network and the rest of
the right-wing driven propaganda machine? It's George Orwell all
over. Americans get actual news from _foreign_ sources that aren't
controlled by the fascist regime.
then you are one sided.
You have been brainwashed ala old soviet propaganda methods...
via the liberal media...and need to choke on the fact that
you are unfair ....and disgusting YOURSELF.
hank
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ebandver onBush"Goodbye Bushie!" <po...@thetoiley.net> wrote in message news:<10iafaj...@corp.supernews.com>...
Poor soul. You show just how largely uneducated you are. You
demonstrate your lack of perspective and inability to engage in
critical thinking. The fact is that the commercials MoveOn.org
has launched do not contain any factual errors. They present
their perspective on this administration and its players based
on fact. The movie by Moore is another case where you have shown
you lack critical thinking and reasoning skills. The movie
presented most of its assertions using the words and writings of
the principle players, the members of this current administration:
"Some call you the elite. I call you my base," etc.
The fact is, my mentally challenged friend, the record speaks for
itself, smear tactics are not necessary. Boy George and his handlers
have failed in every endeavor they have undertaken: insufficient
troops for both the Afgahn and Iraqi theaters of operations, missing
or substandard equipment for our troops, negative economic growth
for the entire span od GW's term of office, negative job growth,
record deficits, record foreclosures in the housing industry, ripping
off seniors in prescription drug programs, engaging in terrorist
scare tactics on the importation of drugs from across the border, the
list is endless. These factual issues have been what MoveOn and the
Kerry/Edwards campaigns have been illustrating in their advertisements.
Hank, you deserve our pity. The kind of pity reserved for children
who use a racial slur because they know not what they speak. Good
luck in the future. Apparently you're going to need it because if
GW somehow is elected in the fall, people with your lack of skills
are not going to survive very well in the "brave new world" to come.
Miles "More's the pity the DDOA Exists" Long
Why are we dominating the battle fields there. Who is in charge of
Afghanistan and Iraq now. It was done in record time.
, missing or substandard equipment for our troops,
This is not true except for the votes Kerry cast to not help the troops.
> negative economic growth for the entire span od GW's term of office,
negative >job growth, record deficits, record foreclosures in the housing
industry, ripping
> off seniors in prescription drug programs, engaging in terrorist
> scare tactics on the importation of drugs from across the border, the
> list is endless.
Where do you get this totly wrong info. Did you hear it at the Dem
convention? The economy is doing very well. The unemployment rate is lower
than it was when Slick Willy ran for re-election.
>Why are we dominating the battle fields there.
"We" aren't, ya frocking traitor. The invading fascists aren't, either,
since they're getting their ever-lovin' Nazi asses kicked by the Iraqi
freedom fighters on a daily basis. At the same time all of Iraq is
gaining unification in their efforts to overthrow this fascist regime's
occupation.
You're probably one of these fucking rightard morons who thinks the
United States also won a war in Vietnam.
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"Freedom Fighters"?????? You think they had freedom under Hussein??
WOW! You need help dealing with reality.
>At the same time all of Iraq is > gaining unification in their efforts to
overthrow this fascist regime's occupation.
The legal elected Iraqi government is an occupying regime? This new
democratic government is puting the criminal Hussein on trial for crimes
against humanity as well as a huge list of other crimes he commited against
the Iraqi people and Iraq's neighboring countries.
> You're probably one of these fucking rightard morons who thinks the
> United States also won a war in Vietnam.
It is 2004. You and Kerry need to get out of the 60s.
is the truth....
For example...one could hide a camera in your bathroom...
and catch you wiping your butt....and do this many times....
and make a movie out of it....those watching it would then
get the impression that that is all you do all day long...
true? Yes...but out of context....
By the way, if I want any shit out of you...Ill squeeze your head...
otherwise.........
love
hank
.......................................
you know that...and so is the Democrat party....
THAT is the most important issue...
vote for Bush..you have no choice...
hank 2200 fps
.............................................
Darn it Hank, you say the sweetest things. The place where your analogy
breaks down is that what the President of the United States of America
does is largely known to the entire world. The fact that this president
so obviously does not care what his words mean, or worse yet, does
indeed care and says them deliberately, is what's so disturbing. Add to
that the fact that he is incapably of thinking and verbalizing on his
feet so to speak, and yet the lines illustrated in the press, in F9/11
and elsewhere are delivered in a smooth, well rehearsed manner shows
that they were contrived deliberately. This relieves the viewer, the
intelligent viewer, of the need to observe Boy George 24/7. The snap-
shot views are sufficient over time to reveal the larger aspect of the
man. Everything the president does is "in context," that is the
nature of the job. GW has demonstrated that he is incompetent, unable
to parse questions to produce cogent replies, a failure to articulate
his own policies, a bully and a sadist.
love back at'cha,
Miles "From the Couch" Long
Either President Bush is an idiot....or a genius......
You say he is an idiot....yet at the same time....
you claim that he "fooled" the world (in other words,,,made a fool of)
the world ....including Kerry and all the
democrats into voting for incursion into Iraq.....
If he was so stupid...how did he do that?
He may speak slowly......dont be fooled....by your
liberal media brainwashing.....you bought it hook line and
sinker.....you think you are smart....you dont know what
you dont know.....
hank
.......................................
>>
>>Darn it Hank, you say the sweetest things. The place where your analogy
>>breaks down is that what the President of the United States of America
>>does is largely known to the entire world. The fact that this president
>>so obviously does not care what his words mean, or worse yet, does
>>indeed care and says them deliberately, is what's so disturbing. Add to
>>that the fact that he is incapably of thinking and verbalizing on his
>>feet so to speak, and yet the lines illustrated in the press, in F9/11
>>and elsewhere are delivered in a smooth, well rehearsed manner shows
>>that they were contrived deliberately. This relieves the viewer, the
>>intelligent viewer, of the need to observe Boy George 24/7. The snap-
>>shot views are sufficient over time to reveal the larger aspect of the
>>man. Everything the president does is "in context," that is the
>>nature of the job. GW has demonstrated that he is incompetent, unable
>>to parse questions to produce cogent replies, a failure to articulate
>>his own policies, a bully and a sadist.
>>
>>love back at'cha,
>>
>>Miles "From the Couch" Long
>
> .....................................
> You socialist liberals need to make up your minds.....
>
Independent liberal...
> Either President Bush is an idiot....or a genius......
>
Idiot, those around him are the handlers making policy...
> You say he is an idiot....yet at the same time....
>
> you claim that he "fooled" the world (in other words,,,made a fool of)
>
Never said this <laughing>, read closer (or at all)...
> the world ....including Kerry and all the
>
> democrats into voting for incursion into Iraq.....
>
> If he was so stupid...how did he do that?
>
> He may speak slowly......dont be fooled....by your
>
He cannot compose a cogent sentence in a press conference, read
the transcripts, all of them...
> liberal media brainwashing.....you bought it hook line and
>
> sinker.....you think you are smart....you dont know what
>
Smart? Maybe. Clever, definitely...
> you dont know.....
>
Hank, try not to keep getting in your own way, if your friends
read what passes for your intellect here they'd be laughing as well...
Miles "All Hail Anonymity" Long
Did it or did it not appear on the MoveOn.org website?
If it appeared on the RNC website, why did MoveOn.org remove it?
>
>
[snip above and below]
> ... the Mekong Delta is adjacent to the Pacific Ocean,
> and is nowhere near Cambodia. ...
Okay, here's a map: <http://cantho.cool.ne.jp/mekong/outline/ryuiki.gif>
Go look at it, then try claiming "the Mekong Delta is nowhere near Cambodia."
As to who lied, see <http://swiftvets.eriposte.com> for ongoing coverage.
Then try reading "Bush bio on Web inflates Guard service",
Boston Globe, 02/28/2004 <http://tinyurl.com/6obsv>.
Or "Bush's Guard service: What the record shows",
Boston Globe, 02/05/2004 <http://tinyurl.com/2tw9c>.
Or "W. Overstated His Military Record", The Nation, 08/24/2004
<http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1704>:
Or <http://www.liesofbush.com/bushmilitary.shtml>, or
<http://www.infowars.com/print/Bush/military_lies.htm>, or
<http://www.whoslying.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=593&Itemid=26>
"Bush's official biography reported erroneously that he flew fighter-
interceptor jets for the Houston Guard unit from 1968 to 1973. In a 1999
interview with a military publication, Bush said that among the values he
learned as a pilot included 'the responsibility to show up and do your job.'"
"According to a 1999 Associated Press report, Bush's congressional campaign
ran a pullout ad in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that declared he had
served 'in the US Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard where he
piloted the F-102 aircraft.'"
"Bush lost that congressional race, but twenty-one years later, the AP
questioned him about the ad. The news outlet had a good reason to do so.
*** Bush had never served in the Air Force. ***
He had only been in the Air National Guard. But when AP asked Bush if
he had been justified in claiming service in the Air Force, Bush, then
the governor of Texas and a presidential candidate, said, 'I think so, yes.
I was in the Air Force for over 600 days.'"
Other sites on Bush lies:
<http://www.awolbush.com>
<http://www.bushlied.org>
<http://bush-lies.blogspot.com>
<http://bushlies.com/reviews.php>
<http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/>
<http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/Bush_Mistatement_of_the_Day.html>
<http://www.thebushpresidency.org>
<http://www.bushrealitycheck.com/index.htm>
<http://www.bushuntruths.blogspot.com/
<http://www.bushwatch.net/bushlies.htm>
<http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm>
<http://hnn.us/articles/1506.html> (by John Dean)
<http://www.alternet.org/fivelies/archives.html>
<http://www.misleader.org>
<http://pantsonfire.net/lies.htm>
They could have removed it from their website but not from the RNC. I
understand why they would not like it on their own propaganda site.
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If you like consistency and someone
who puts country first over politics,
Vote Republican.
If you want only promises
inconsistancies,uncertainty
Higher taxes and subservience
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Vote Democrat
jt
> >
> >
>
>
By the way, I wrote to the journalist you originally quoted, and he has
now retracted his claim:
"Two columns ago, I mocked the Kerry campaign for claiming that Kerry
had been in the Mekong Delta, near Cambodia. On a map, the place where
the Mekong begins to look like the Greek letter "delta" (a triangle)
is about 50 miles east of Cambodia. Nevertheless, the wetlands of the
lower Mekong River include all of the river's path in Vietnam, and parts
of Cambodia. Many people call these wetlands the "Mekong Delta," so I was
wrong to tweak the Kerry spokesman. I was also wrong in stating the Mekong
never parallels the Vietnam-Cambodia border; marshland which feeds into
the Mekong does parallel the border in some areas."
Dave Kopel, 9/11/04 <http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/
article/0,1299,DRMN_86_3173886,00.html>