"What makes Islam an incubator of fanaticism & terrorism"
repo
It doesn't sound like there can be any progress in the war against
terrorism without stopping the growth of radical Islam. We've only
seen what we call Islamic terrorism in the past 30 years. But Islam
has been around since Mohammed (born 571 A.D.). As D'Souza asks: 'What
is it about Islam that makes it an incubator of fanaticism and
terrorism? Why is it that now, as never before, so many people are
willing to kill and be killed in the name of Allah?'
Prior to 9/11, the dozens of airplane hijackings, the 1972 Olympics,
the Achille Lauro (1985), the first WTC bombings (1993), the Khobar
Tower bombings (1996), the US Embassy bombings (1998), and the USS
Cole (2000) was committed by radical Islamists. Then you add the
Madrid bombings (2004), the London bombings (2005), the Danish cartoon
scandal (2006), and you wonder when the next will be. Muslims are,
unquestionably, the world's largest generator of terrorists.
Evidently Islam is not a religion, but a complete system of life.
Excerpts from Dr. Peter Hammond's book (Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam)
are chilling:
As the Muslim population remains under 2%, they will normally be
regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not a threat to other
citizens. The US (1% Muslim), Canada (1%), and China (1.8%) fall into
that category.
At 2-5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities, jailed
inmates, and street gangs. The UK (2.7%), Germany (3.7%), and Spain
(4%) are there. From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in
proportion to their population. They will push for the introduction of
halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food
preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on
supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves. The minority
Muslim populations live in 100% Muslim ghettos under Sharia law. The
national police do not even enter these ghettos. Switzerland (4.3%),
Netherlands (5.5%), and France (8%) are prime examples.
At this point, they will work to get self-rule (within their ghettos)
under Sharia. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend
to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their
conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car burnings. Any non-
Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats,
such as in Amsterdam with opposition to Mohammed cartoons. Tensions
are seen daily in Muslim sections of India (13.4%), Russia (15%), and
Israel (16%).
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burning of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues such as in Ethiopia (32.8%).
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
attacks, and ongoing militia warfare such as Bosnia (40%), Chad
(53.1%), and Lebanon (59.7%). From 60%, nations experience unfettered
persecution of non-believers, sporadic ethnic cleansing, use of Sharia
and Jizya (tax placed on infidels), such as in Malaysia (60.4%), Sudan
(70%), and Qatar (77.5%).
After 80%, expect daily intimidation as these nations drive out
infidels, such as has been experienced and in some ways is going on at
Egypt (90%), Iran (98%), and Palestine (99%). Reaching 100% will usher
in 'Dar es-Salaam'. Ultimately, peace is never achieved and the most
radical Muslims kill less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons.
One must understand that the vast majority of Muslims aren't
extremists. Tellingly, a OneNewsNow poll (5/07) asked 8200 Americans
'Are US Muslim leaders sincere about discouraging terrorism in the
name of Islam?' Of the respondents, 4% said 'yes', 19% said 'I don't
know', and 77% said 'no'.
Irshad Manji (Fellow/ European Foundation for Democracy) says 'By
their denial, moderates abandon the ground of theological
interpretation to those with malignant intentions.' He says that
mainstream Muslims won't challenge the fanatics with competing
interpretations. 'To do that would be admitting that [religious
teachings are] a factor. Moderate Muslims can't go there.' Dr. Tawfik
Hamid (former member Islamist terrorist organization Jemmah Islamiya)
said, 'It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream
Islamic teaching accepts and promotes violence.'
repo
> http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33950.html
>
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> It doesn't sound like there can be any progress in the war against
> terrorism without stopping the growth of radical Islam. We've only
> seen what we call Islamic terrorism in the past 30 years. But Islam
> has been around since Mohammed (born 571 A.D.). As D'Souza asks: 'What
> is it about Islam that makes it an incubator of fanaticism and
> terrorism? Why is it that now, as never before, so many people are
>
> Prior to 9/11, the dozens of airplane hijackings, the 1972 Olympics,
> the Achille Lauro (1985), the first WTC bombings (1993), the Khobar
> Tower bombings (1996), the US Embassy bombings (1998), and the USS
> Cole (2000) was committed by radical Islamists.
The above paragraph shows Muslim terrorist attacks which
occurred in the USofA when Muslims were much less than 1% of our
population.
Concessions are being made in the U.S. to Muslims, i.e.
footbaths, Islam taught in public schools, Arabic language
mandatory in many schools, ect ect.
Seems Muslims are ahead in the U.S., probably because of
our wanting to be "fair" to all people.,.something like that.
At least that's how it started out, today Muslims are suing
Americans who even try and debate about Islam, books already
being banned from publishing for fear of terrorism from Muslims.
At only 1% of the U.S. population, Muslims have military
compounds in rural America for the sole purpose of preparing
for "jihad on a large scale within the continental U.S."
> Then you add the
> Madrid bombings (2004), the London bombings (2005), the Danish cartoon
> scandal (2006), and you wonder when the next will be. Muslims are,
> unquestionably, the world's largest generator of terrorists.
>
> Evidently Islam is not a religion, but a complete system of life.
> Excerpts from Dr. Peter Hammond's book (Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam)
> are chilling:
.
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> http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33950.html
>
> It doesn't sound like there can be any progress in the war against
> terrorism without stopping the growth of radical Islam. We've only
> seen what we call Islamic terrorism in the past 30 years. But Islam
> has been around since Mohammed (born 571 A.D.). As D'Souza asks: 'What
> is it about Islam that makes it an incubator of fanaticism and
> terrorism? Why is it that now, as never before, so many people are
> willing to kill and be killed in the name of Allah?'
Well you'd have to be a dickhead or brainwashed jewish supporter not to know
by now.
Some of the history below might enlighten you.
Havent the students heard about the israel disgusting practices that they
claim is democracy??
Nothing to say about that?
Wouldnt be jewish campus's by any chance?
Anyway talking aboutthose people in the mideast , alittle story about our
favorite mideast democracy, so good the bush administration and jewish
backers think they shopuld bring it back to America after inflicting it on
Iraq.
Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust
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Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
August 8, 2008
Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers,
captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early
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BikeFan
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html
Israel is the only state in modern times that made it legal.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2347953151064740545&q=Palestine&hl=en
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0197/9701007.htm
Of course now that he has admitted to these torture chambers all innocent
victims will receive back their eyes, ears, nose, fingers, finger nails
sinews and other bits that might have been removed in pursuit of truth ,
justice and the American way.
It is unfortunate that some of the innocent victims have lost so much, the
problem being that if they did not know anything they did not have any
information to stop the suffering.
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
An example from our very own israeli democracy.
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> The twilight zone / 'Now you are paralyzed, as we
> promised'
> By Gideon Levy
>
> "We have to make you do a little sports," the Shin Bet
> interrogator said, launching four successive days of
> questioning accompanied by brutal physical torture.
> The result: Luwaii Ashqar can no longer stand on his
> feet. He sits in his wheelchair, dressed in a
> fashionable quasi-military suit, super-elegant, new
> Caterpillar-brand shoes on his paralyzed feet.
>
> "I love this color," he says about his uniform. "It's
> the color of the soldiers who came to arrest me for
> the interrogation that did all this to me."
>
> His smile is captivating, his Hebrew rich and
> incisive. He is a young man whose world fell apart. He
> entered prison sound of body and mind and emerged a
> broken man. For four days and four nights nonstop, he
> says, he was interrogated and subjected to torture of
> the most brutal kind. The result is the person we see
> before us in the wheelchair, in the elegant home high
> in the village of Saida, north of Tul Karm, which was
> placed at his disposal by a friend after he was
> released from Israeli prison a month ago.
>
> Was there a judgment by the High Court of Justice?
> There was. It banned precisely the types of torture he
> underwent: the "banana posture," the "shabah" (body
> stretching with hands tied to a chair), "invisible"
> blows and the "frog posture" (being forced to stand
> for hours on the toes in a crouching position) - all
> the way to a vicious kick to his chest that bent his
> body backward while he was tied to a chair with his
> arms and legs, and which was the probable cause of the
> partial paralysis of his legs.
>
> Throwing up with the vomit entering his nostrils,
> losing consciousness and being given only saltwater to
> drink, relieving himself in his pants, not sleeping or
> resting - all of that for four consecutive days and
> nights.
>
> What does the interrogator Maimon tell his children
> when he goes home? What do Eldad and Sagiv tell their
> wives about their daily labors before they turn in?
> That they tortured another helpless prisoner until
> they turned him into a cripple? That they beat this
> charming young man brutally and that at the end of the
> interrogation he was tried for only marginal offenses?
> And where is the Supreme Court, which in 1999
> prohibited precisely the chain of torture that Luwaii
> Sati Ashqar, 30, who was married three years ago,
> underwent in the Kishon detention facility?
>
> Ashqar is not alone. The Public Committee Against
> Torture in Israel has just issued a new report
> containing the testimonies of nine torture victims
> (English version: http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/
> ). As the authors of the shocking report say, the
> testimonies "paint a dismal picture in which can be
> discerned various categories of secret-keeping
> collaborators, who, in keeping silent, protect the
> [Shin Bet] system of torture." ...
>
> On the wall is a picture, a fine drawing of a kneeling
> prisoner, his head between his knees. The caption: "I
> am in the darkness of the prison, living on your
> memory. I am far from you, lying in my bed, my spirit
> cruising your land all night. God will release all the
> prisoners, the strong will triumph."
>
> Ashqar is sitting in his wheelchair, his left leg
> completely enclosed in a cast, his right leg shaking
> nonstop. When he tries to get up and lean on his
> crutches, he threatens to topple over. "I was married
> in 2004, and I started to work in aluminum in the
> village to provide for my new household. On April 22,
> 2005, at 2:30 A.M., the soldiers came and started to
> throw grenades and to shout for everyone in the house
> to go outside. They blindfolded me with whatever they
> use and handcuffed me. I was taken in a jeep to prison
> and I was examined by an army doctor. He looked over
> my body - no operations, doesn't take medication, no
> illnesses. Again I was taken in a military jeep, this
> time to Kishon. 'Yehuda, incoming,' the warder said
> and transferred me to the interrogation office. They
> opened my eyes: Good morning. An excellent morning.
> One of the interrogators, Maimon, told me: I am
> responsible for your file. What file? The one you were
> arrested for. This is the major, and this tall guy is
> the colonel, this is Sagiv and this is Eldad. Eight
> interrogators.
>
> "They said: We have no time, it will soon be our
> Passover and you have to finish everything in a short
> time. Finish what? You have to tell us what you have.
> I don't have anything to tell you. I begged. They
> said: We know all that nonsense. We are talking about
> security. Plans for terrorist attacks at Passover. I
> said: I don't understand what you are talking about.
> They said: The suicide bomber was at your place. What
> suicide bomber?
>
> "After two hours of talking they said to me: If you
> don't give everything you have, we will have to take
> it by a different way. What is the different way? Did
> you hear of a military interrogation? You might leave
> here with your body battered or crippled. I was taken
> to a military interrogation. Here you pray to God that
> you will die, they said, but we won't give you that.
> We will let you die only after you spill out what we
> are looking for. He gave me a prison uniform and I
> told him that if I was going to die, I preferred my
> own clothes.
>
> "They sat me down on a square chair without a back,
> which was attached to the floor and had sharp metal
> ends [sticking up]. My legs were tied to the legs of
> the chair with metal cuffs and my hands were tied
> behind my back with metal cuffs. One interrogator sat
> behind me and the other in front of me. The
> interrogator opposite me said: We have to give you a
> little sports, so you will be able to hold out in the
> military interrogation. The sports was that they
> pushed me backward by the chest, a backward
> somersault, and I would hold myself so my bones would
> not break. After a minute or two I would automatically
> fall on the floor, but the interrogator behind me
> would put his foot on my chest and press, and the
> interrogator in front would grab my hands and pull and
> pull behind the chair. They kept on like that until I
> don't know what happened to me, heat in every part of
> my body, puking everything I had in my stomach and it
> would go into my nostrils. I would wake up when they
> poured water on my face. When I woke up, we went back
> to the same situation. It went on like this 15-20
> times an hour.
>
> "After that they made me crouch on my toes, not
> letting me lean on the back of my foot. I was in that
> position for 40-50 minutes, maybe an hour - that was
> my estimate - until I felt my soles swelling and they
> turned blue and there was tremendous pain. After that,
> stand up, and they tied my hands and pressed as hard
> as they could on the metal handcuffs until the metal
> dug into my hand. Here are the signs, you can still
> see them. Because of the pressure, the key of the
> handcuffs didn't always work and they would bring huge
> metal scissors, like they use in construction, and
> tear off the handcuffs and then bring new ones, to go
> on. The color of my hands changed to blue, and when
> they opened [the handcuffs] my hands shook. The
> interrogator stood on the table and pulled me with a
> chain of handcuffs. When I fell, they pulled me by the
> hair.
>
> "I would cry, beg, shout, and they came back to me
> with words, that it was impossible to stop, only after
> you start talking about what we want. I said to them:
> Tell me what you want. Tell me I am responsible for
> the attack on the Pentagon, I am ready to confess to
> everything, just tell me what. I want to end this
> death."
>
> "There were always four interrogators and two rotated
> every four hours, day and night. The new ones would
> tell me they were stronger than the ones before, that
> the ones before were a joke, we are the strong ones.
> And that was true. The new ones tied me and started to
> beat me all over my body. One interrogator pressed
> hard on my testicles and on my feet with his shoes.
> When they slapped me and I tried to pull back, the
> major would say: What are you doing? If you move back,
> I will break your nose, and if you move forward I will
> rip off your ear. Be strong and take it sportingly,
> because you are a soldier and a fighter. They broke
> this tooth."
>
> Ashqar suddenly stops talking. He turns pale and his
> face is covered with beads of perspiration. His
> father, Sati, quickly wipes his face with a damp
> cloth. "Every time I try to remember I get dizzy, even
> when I am alone." Quiet descends in the room. It will
> take Ashqar another few minutes to pull himself
> together.
>
> "I was taken into detention on Friday morning, and
> that was the last light of day I saw before the
> interrogation. I came out for the first time on Monday
> night or before dawn on Tuesday morning. On those long
> days I sat in a chair and did not even go to the
> toilet. So you won't kill yourself, they said. I
> urinated in my clothes, and a terrible stench started.
> For four days I didn't eat anything. They told me: If
> we give you something to eat, something will happen to
> your stomach and your intestines. Maybe they will
> explode under the pressure of the food when we push
> you backward. You will drink only half a cup of
> saltwater. That is what they gave me every time after
> they bent me and I vomited. Why with salt? I asked.
> Give me without salt. No, so nothing will happen in
> your stomach and intestines. I would drink it and
> vomit.
>
> "On Monday evening, they told me that five witnesses
> had testified that Luwaii had transported a wanted
> man. I told them that there was a famous wanted man
> named Luwaii Sadi, but my name is Luwaii Sati, and
> maybe they had mixed us up. He said to me: Are you
> saying the Shin Bet is that stupid? We know exactly
> what we're doing, and it is all correct. I said: Put
> me on trial for whatever you want. He said: Ya'allah,
> sports again. He pushes me backward in the chair. I
> will help you become a story in Palestinian history.
> He is talking to me and my head is down below. He
> pushes strongly with his leg and presses on my chest.
> I felt something like an explosion in my body. Like
> something broke. After that I don't know what
> happened. I woke up and they were pouring water on my
> face. Again they pushed me backward and again I
> fainted.
>
> "He said to me: Stand on your feet. I felt that my
> legs were cold, like pins and needles in the legs. I
> said: I can't. He said: Now you are paralyzed. I said:
> I guess I am. He said: That is what we promised you
> and that is what you want."
>
>
> "I discovered I had a wound in the back and it was
> bleeding - because of the sharp chair - and one of my
> bones was protruding. Because of the blood and because
> of the urine of four days there was such a stench that
> the interrogator could not come close to me. He said:
> Why do you stink like that? I told him: That is your
> perfume. A warder took me to the shower and threw me
> on the floor and said to me: Ya'allah, you have two
> minutes to shower. I looked at the faucet up above and
> I could not reach it. I pulled down my pants and the
> underpants stayed in place. I tried to pull them down
> - I could do it in front but behind it was stuck to my
> back. The two minutes went by and the warder started
> to pound on the door. Time's up. I told him: Give me
> another two minutes, I can't reach the faucet. He came
> in and asked: What do you have on your back? I said: I
> don't know.
>
> "He called the interrogator and said: Come and see the
> prisoner. The interrogator came and asked: What do you
> have, Luwaii? I said: I don't know what I have on my
> back, I can't pull the underpants down and I can't
> reach the faucet. He said: Ya'allah, we will go up and
> finish the story and take you to the doctor.
>
> "Two warders took me in a Prisons Service vehicle to
> Rambam [Medical Center in Haifa]. In emergency, my
> hands and feet were tied and a Russian doctor asked
> me: What hurts you? I told him: My whole body hurts
> from the interrogation. The Druze warder said: Shut
> up. The doctor turned me on the side and stuck a
> finger into my ass. I asked him: What are you doing?
> He said: I am checking whether you have hemorrhoids.
> Why didn't you ask me first? I am a professional, he
> said. I said: What about the wound on the back? He put
> ointment there and dressed it. After 10 minutes I was
> taken back to interrogation. Again I was tied to the
> square chair. The bandage fell off and the wound
> started to bleed again. After that, they stopped the
> military interrogation."
>
>
> He was interrogated for another two months, but
> without physical torture. He was told that his wife
> had been arrested because of him - a complete
> fabrication - and he was given a lie detector test
> ("the falsehoods machine," in his Hebrew). For two
> weeks he was placed in a cell with stool pigeons. In
> the end, he was indicted on only two counts, in
> Prosecution File 2157/05: assisting a wanted person to
> hide and using a forged document. No ticking and no
> bomb. Ashqar was sentenced to 26 months in prison and
> was released a month ago. In the meantime, his younger
> brother, Osaimar, disappeared. Soldiers came to the
> house looking for him, but he was not there. His
> family has not seen him since: He told them that he
> was not willing to undergo what Luwaii did.
>
> Luwaii is now looking for a way to get medical
> treatment in Israel or abroad, after his physician
> told him that he would not be able to get
> rehabilitation in the West Bank. His lawyer told him
> that the Shin Bet will almost certainly prevent him
> from going anywhere.
>
> ---
>
> This is the response received by Haaretz from the Shin
> Bet:
>
> Luwaii Ashqar was arrested in April 2005, after
> serious suspicions were raised against him concerning
> his involvement in terrorism, including possession of
> weapons and assistance to wanted individuals - terror
> activists from Islamic Jihad.
>
> One of the suspicions was that he had provided
> accommodation, ahead of a terrorist act, for Sirhan
> Sarhan, the perpetrator of the attack in Kibbutz
> Metzer, who murdered Revital Ohayon and her two
> children, Noam and Matan, of blessed memory.
>
> The suspect was tried and convicted in a plea bargain,
> and sentenced to 14 months in prison and another 14
> months in prison stemming from a pending conditional
> sentence, so that all told he was sentenced to 26
> months in prison. In addition, he received a 28-month
> suspended sentence.
>
> His interrogation was carried out according to the
> rules and directives, with constant review of the
> interrogation process.
>
> During the interrogation, the above-named put forward
> medical complaints, which were examined and treated by
> the appropriate medical authorities, including an
> examination he underwent in hospital.
>
> It should be noted that during the interrogation he
> did not cite medical complaints of the same
> seriousness as those mentioned in the query.
>
> Complaints relating to his interrogation, from, among
> other sources, the Committee Against Torture and the
> Red Cross, were referred to the State Prosecutor's
> Office for examination, which ordered an examination
> by the Ombudsman of Interogees' Complaints.
>
> The examination of the complaints did not turn up any
> excesses in the interrogation, and in the wake of
> this, the official in charge of the OIC in the State
> Prosecutor's Office decided to close the examination
> file.
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/871239.html
>
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA
Experiments included administering the drug to CIA employees, military
personnel, doctors, other government agents, prostitutes, mentally ill
patients, and members of the general public in order to study their
reactions, usually without the subject's knowledge.
HOW FAR IS HOWARDS LIBERALS WILLING TO FOLLOW AMERICA? - Spreading Torture
World-Wide
One of the sitting gurus who apparently holds great sway in one of Americas
education system is Professor Alan Dershowitz.
http://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973
Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University is currently best known
for his advocacy of the "most excruciating" torture against terrorist
suspects
such as a "needle being shoved under the fingernails." The alleged purpose
of this torture is to extract a truthful confession but its real
consequence, as human rights organizations have pointed out, is to produce
whatever statements are necessary to end the suffering.
Israel Judge Promotes Her Court As a Model
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/weather/6797129.htm
Spreading Torture World-Wide
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> 'Torture Taxi' Connection With Nevada
> http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146357
> Las Vegas Now | February 27, 2007
> George Knapp
>
> Human rights activists and foreign governments friendly to the U.S. are
> outraged because of a suspected kidnapping operation being run by American
> intelligence agencies.
>
> People have been snatched in broad daylight and then whisked to secret
> prisons, possibly for torture. The planes used in this controversial
> operation are often seen in Las Vegas, but the connection goes much
deeper.
>
> The I-Team first reported on the so-called "torture taxis" in 2006 and has
> spotted these planes coming in and out of Las Vegas on several occasions.
>
> The aircraft are owned by shell companies set up by unknown agencies,
quite
> possibly the Central Intelligence Agency. Some of the companies were
created
> in Nevada, using phony names and non-existent persons. So far, Nevada
> officials don't see it as a problem or a concern.
>
> The images are all too familiar -- prisoners being mistreated, others held
> indefinitely without charges. Even more damaging to America's image have
> been allegations of torture carried out at secret prisons by American
agents
> or surrogates.
>
> In a way, the legal justification for the torture program has roots in
> Nevada, since a Nevada lawyer named Jay Bybee, while working for the Bush
> administration, wrote the legal brief defending such policies.
>
> It's not hypothetical. Some of the very same planes that have been used in
> the kidnapping and transport of suspected terrorists to dark, unknown
places
> fly in and out of Las Vegas on a regular basis. The I-Team has recorded
> their arrivals. However, we cannot say what they're doing here, but are
> pretty sure what they've been used for elsewhere.
>
> Trevor Paglen, of the University of California, said, "It's indisputable
at
> this point that the United States has been kidnapping people around the
> world, disappearing them, holding them incommunicado, torturing them. It's
> beyond dispute."
>
> Trevor Paglen is the co-author of Torture Taxi, a book about the so-called
> rendition planes and the torture program. The planes in question are owned
> by private companies with clearance to land at any U.S. military base in
the
> world. Track the planes and you can figure out where the secret prisons
are
> located, often in countries with dismal human rights records.
>
> Such information has outraged European governments. Example: Khaled
> al-Masri, a German national, was vacationing in Macedonia when he was
> grabbed by masked men, flown to Afghanistan, and tortured for five months
> until his captors realized they had the wrong guy. Al-Masri is now suing
the
> U.S. Government, along with a Reno company, Keeler and Tate, which owns
the
> plane suspected of transporting Al-Masri to Kabul.
>
> From all indications, the firm is merely a shell, a false front created by
> an intelligence agency. The only officer listed is one Tyler Edward Tate,
a
> person who seemingly does not exist. The lawyer who incorporated the
company
> is Steven Petersen, who has declined all requests for comment and whom the
> I-Team discovered, is hard to find, even at his office.
>
> Petersen's office staff didn't know where he was, how to reach him, or
when
> he might return. The I-Team can't find any record of Tyler Tate other than
> what's filed with Nevada's Secretary of State. It's a felony to file false
> information with that office, although no one there seems too concerned.
The
> office has known for more than a year that Keeler and Tate is most likely
a
> phony front. But a deputy told the I-Team there's, quote, "nothing they
can
> do until a formal complaint is filed by someone."
>
> In other parts of the country -- in North Carolina and Portland, Oregon,
for
> example -- the lawyers who have filed papers for other fictitious airlines
> linked to the torture program are being investigated by the state bar. Not
> so in Nevada.
>
> On Scott Petersen's door is another name familiar in Nevada -- Laxalt.
Peter
> Laxalt is the brother of former governor and U.S. Senator Paul Laxalt, a
> well-connected Washington lobbyist. The lobby directory previously listed
> the Paul Laxalt Group as sharing the same suite with Steven Petersen. But,
> as soon as calls were made about the connection, the Laxalt name was
removed
> from the directory.
>
> Trevor Paglen said, "We called the D.C. office. The Laxalt Group denied
even
> having an office in Reno. Their name was on the building directly. We
called
> the secretary and they told us there was a West Coast office of the group
in
> that building."
>
> This is not a dead end. European nations have filed formal criminal
charges
> against numerous American intelligence agents. Khaled El-Masri's lawsuit
is
> moving forward and he has the American Civil Liberties Union helping him.
At
> some point, that suit could force some answers about the mysterious Keeler
> and Tate in Reno. And, investigations are underway in two states into the
> lawyers who assisted in setting up the phony companies.
>
> One other point, since the I-Team's first report last year about tracking
> these planes as they fly to Las Vegas, steps have been taken to hide their
> arrivals and departures.
"dl" <lol...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:a22de9fe-adec-4cfe...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Ø December 15, 2007
>
> The USG Open Source Center translates an interview in the Spanish
> newspaper El Mundo with Damien Corsetti, a former private in the US
> army who served as an interrogator and was charged with crimes. He
> says he witnessed torture but did not commit it himself. He also says
> that most of the individuals he interrogated had nothing to do with al-
> Qaeda or the Taliban. Many of the practices Corsetti says he witnessed
> are already illegal. Others would be banned by a new bill passed by
> the House of Representatives, which George W. Bush has threatened to
> veto. The bill would place the Central Intelligence Agency under the
> same rules as obtain for the US military and would disallow
> waterboarding, mock executions, and sexual humiliation. I repeat, Bush
> has pledged to veto this legislation.
>
> 'Former US interrogator recounts torture cases in Afghanistan and Iraq
> El Mundo (Internet Version-WWW)
> Monday, December 10, 2007 . . .
> Document Type: OSC Translated Text . . .
> http://uruknet.info/?p=m39237&s1=h1
>
> Former US interrogator recounts torture cases in Afghanistan and Iraq
>
> Discharged US army private Damien Corsetti has described the "morally
> unacceptable" cases of physical and psychological torture he says he
> witnessed as an interrogator at the prisons of Bagram in Afghanistan
> and Abu-Ghurayb in Iraq. Speaking in an interview with a Spanish
> paper, he said the vast majority of the individuals he questioned in
> the course of his duties "had nothing to do with either the Taleban or
> Al-Qa'idah" and that while he never took part in acts of abuse, many
> were tortured "to make them suffer, not to get information out of
> them". The following is the text of the report on the interview with
> Corsetti published by the Spanish popular liberal newspaper El Mundo
> website on 10 December; subheading as published:
>
> Fairfax (Virginia): Damien Corsetti looks at me with his small eyes
> and says: "Look, they leave us alone in this room, they give me a roll
> of duct tape to tie you to the chair, I turn off the light and in five
> hours you sign a piece of paper for me saying that you're Usamah Bin-
> Ladin".
>
> It is a Thursday night. Damien Corsetti - who, according to The New
> York Times was nicknamed "The King of Torture" and "The Monster" by
> his colleagues at Bagram prison, in Afghanistan - is sitting down
> having a glass of wine in a French restaurant in Fairfax, on the
> outskirts of Washington. Four days ago, this US private arrived on the
> outskirts of Washington from North Carolina, where he had been living
> since September 2006, when he was discharged from the army following a
> trial in which he was found not guilty of the charges of dereliction
> of duty, maltreatment, assault and performing indecent acts with
> prisoners at Bagram.
>
> Now, Corsetti - who was also under investigation in the Abu-Ghurayb
> torture case - only wants to put his life "in order". It is a
> difficult task. Because first he will have to forget the torture to
> which he says he was a witness in Afghanistan of prisoners such as Al-
> Qa'idah leader Omar al-Faruq. "The cries, the smells, the sounds are
> with me. They are things that stay with you forever", he recalls.
>
> Corsetti arrived in Afghanistan on 29 July 2002. He was a military
> intelligence soldier, not an interrogator. "But the army needed
> reliable interrogators, because most interrogators do not meet
> security requirements. They are not reliable. So we arrived there". A
> five-hour course in Afghanistan and, at 22, Corsetti began trying to
> extract information from the prisoners in the jail - prisoners who, in
> his opinion, "in 98 per cent of cases had nothing to do with either
> the Taleban or Al-Qa'idah".
>
> That is how Corsetti found himself interrogating prisoners at the
> jail. Many of them were people who had nothing to do with (George W.)
> Bush's war on terror, like his first prisoner, whose name he still
> remembers: Khan Zara. "He was a peasant and grew opium. But he was
> there three months until he told us. Do you know how I found out.
> Because of his hands. His hands were full of calluses. Those are not
> the hands of a terrorist".
>
> Other prisoners include a farmer who had put mines on his land to kill
> his neighbour, with who he had a long-standing family dispute, and an
> Afghan who had bombs in his house to fish in the river. They were
> people like Dilawar, a taxi driver detained in 2002 who had nothing to
> do with the Taleban and who died after four days of beatings from US
> soldiers.
>
> Because Bagram is a very tough prison. "Each prisoner has in his cell
> a carpet measuring 1.2 m by 2.5 m. And they spend 23 hours a day sat
> on it, in silence. If they speak, they are chained to the ceiling for
> 20 minutes and black visors are put on them so they can't see and
> protectors are put on their ears so they can't hear. They are taken
> down to the basement once a week, in groups of five or six, to shower
> them. It's done to drive them crazy. I almost went crazy", recalls
> Corsetti. Apart from those normal cells, in the basement of the prison
> there are six isolation cells, plus two rooms for who the former
> soldier describes as "special guests".
>
> But Bagram has an underworld in which the CIA tortures the leaders of
> Al-Qa'idah. "One day I went to an interrogation session and as soon as
> I arrived I knew that it was not a normal case. There were civilians,
> among them a doctor and a psychiatrist. The prisoner was called Omar
> al-Faruq, an Al-Qa'idah leader in Asia who had been brought to the
> prison by one of those agencies", recalls Corsetti. "I don't want to
> go into details because it could be very negative for my country, but
> he was brutally beaten - daily. And tortured by other methods. He was
> a bad man, but he didn't deserve that". Al-Faruq escaped from Bagram
> in action which, according to some, was tolerated by the USA and was
> killed in April 2006 by the British in the Iraqi city of Basra.
>
> Corsetti says that he never took part in the torture. "My sole job was
> to sit there and make sure the prisoner didn't die. But there were
> several times when I thought they were about to die, when they were
> interrogated by those people who have no name and who work for no-one
> in particular. It's incredible what a human being can take". A
> resistance similar to that of the memory of those torture sessions.
> Because Corsetti, a veteran of two wars, says: "I have seen people die
> in combat. I shot at people. That is not as bad as seeing someone
> tortured. Al-Faruq looked at me while they tortured him and I have
> that look in my head. And the cries, the smells, the sounds, they are
> with me all the time. It is something I can't take in. The cries of
> the prisoners calling for their relatives, their mother. I remember
> one who called for God, for Allah, all the time. I have those cries
> here, inside my head".
>
> "In Abu-Ghurayb and Bagram they were tortured to make them suffer, not
> to get information out of them". And the fact is that at times the
> torture had no other goal that "to punish them for being terrorists.
> They tortured them and didn't ask them anything". That is the case of
> the practice known as "the submarine": to simulate the drowning of the
> prisoner. "They have them hooded and they pour water on them. That
> makes it very difficult to breath. I think you can't die with the
> submarine. I certainly never saw anyone die. However, they do cough
> like crazy because they are totally submerged in water and that gets
> on their lungs. Perhaps what it can give you is serious pneumonia".
> The civilians who took part in the interrogations used the submarine
> whenever they wanted. They gave it to them for five or 10 minutes and
> didn't ask anything".
>
> Other torture included using extreme cold and heat. "I remember one of
> my prisoners trembling with cold. His teeth wouldn't stop chattering.
> I put a blanket on him and then another, and another, and his teeth
> never stopped chattering, never stopped. You could see that man was
> going to die of hypothermia. But the doctors are there so that they
> don't die, so as to be able to torture them one more day". At other
> times, "they put them under blinding lights that worked mechanically,
> giving out flashes".
>
> "They are going to kill your children"
>
> An important subject was that of psychological torture, administered
> by psychiatrists. "They tell them they are going to kill their
> children, rape their wives. And you see on their faces, in their eyes,
> the terror that that causes them. Because, of course, we know all
> about those people. We know the names of their children, where they
> live - we show them satellite photos of their houses. It is worse than
> any torture. That is not morally acceptable under any circumstances.
> Not even with the worst terrorist in the world", says Corsetti, before
> adding: "Sometimes, we put one of our women (female US military
> personnel) in burqas and we made them walk through the interrogation
> rooms and we told them: 'That is your wife'. And the prisoner believed
> it. Why wouldn't they! We had those people going without sleep for a
> whole week. After two or three days with no sleep, you believe
> anything. In fact, it was a problem. The interpreters couldn't
> understand what they were saying. The prisoners were having
> hallucinations. Because, of course, this is not like if you or me go
> three days without sleep when we're partying. I've gone five days
> without sleep when I've been partying. But this is different. You're
> in a cell where they let you sleep only a quarter of an hour every now
> and then. With no contact with the outside world. Without seeing
> sunlight. Like that, a days seems like a week. Your mental capacity is
> destroyed".
>
> In the opinion of Corsetti, the only thing his experience as an
> interrogator taught him "is that torture doesn't work. One thing is
> losing your temper and punching a prisoner, another is to commit these
> acts of brutality. In Bagram we managed to find out about an Al-
> Qa'idah plan to blow up dozens of oil tankers across the world. We
> smashed the plot so well that they only managed to attack one, the
> French oil tanker Limburgh, in Yemen in October 2002. And we managed
> to get a guy to tell us without laying a finger on him".
>
> (Description of Source: Madrid El Mundo (Internet Version-WWW) in
> Spanish -- independent national daily) '
>
http://iamthewitness.com/audio/TFC.2007.12.14.Fri.Prothink.mp3
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strikebreaking
If people go on strike simply because they cannot put up with the power for
perversions and cruel demands from employees that the government has handed
the employers, the Christian Evangelical Church/s has given their stamp of
approval for all the following?
These people rose up as one not because of God, but because of the treatment
by God's chosen people in not following God's laws. Secular laws.
On that day, - wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, - the vast army of
Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay bricks
and perform virtually all Israel's menial work, stayed home.
Is it part of the Christian Evangelical Church/s beliefs that this is the
actions God would approve in the case of strike or protest? Shooting
selectively?
And this statement of Rabin has never been criticised or questioned by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s? Yeah or any other Christian institution for
that matter?
And as far as anybody can ascertain, is still fully accepted by the Israel
government and the churches have never raised an objection to this as a
legitimate action against protestors?
The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating assassination.
"They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder," Rabin said in defence of the
army's practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles to
shoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth
The modern churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently think
that this is God's law that was imposed, the victims not the Israeli
government's inhuman and ungodly persecution at fault, and the ignoring
of god's law in the process?
Well we can understand the Catholic Church, they always blamed the victims
( kids) , and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently contributes to
that type thinking?
THE JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT HIRSH GOODMAN - they have not received any
terrorist training, nor are they members of a terrorist organization. Rather
they are
members of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing but
occupation
All these churches and the Christian Evangelical Church/s apparently
support this as a fair and equitable application of God's law against 12
year olds? And fully supports these actions? Well they have not publicly
widely opposed this?
12-YEAR OLDS IS OK FOR JEWS?? Still perfectly acceptable practice in Israel
today.
This type of government is accepted as the norm to this day, and mind you
Rabin was supposed to be one of the good guys, Yeah how bad can it get?
And does any of the christian churches representatives allowed to see the
christians they pick up in these sweeps, dead or alive, or dont they even
bother?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
Is this some sort of cultural difference that God apparently accepts from
Jewish persons backed by the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other
Christian institutions?
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse breaking the
culprits hands, and the Irish kids were throwing Molotov cocktails in
exactly the same situation?
Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later for
anyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500
Palestinians were seized, many of them as YOUNG AS TWELVE ; by the end of
January the number reached 4,000 and was rising
The first priority is to use force, might, beatings. [This] is considered
more effective than detention ... [because] he may then resume stoning
soldiers. But if troops break his hand, he won't be able to throw stones
The protestant and catholic churches in Ireland and England certainly did
not advocate this, nor did any politician publicly endorse this type of
behaviour as God's law given to the chosen people? God would approve
according to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian
instructions? And the Zionist supporters say that is ok? Zionist supporters
cheer them on?
And this fits neatly into the type of law that God would approve according
to the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian instructions?
No fear of Jews standing up against cruelty and sadism as the Christians DID
again and again.
The Testimony of a Rescuer
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/rescuer.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/Default.htm
http://www.auschwitz.dk/Denmark.htm
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay2.html
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096
http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/74P51.htm
They entered the house like animals, shouting," the 22-year old student at
Bir Zeit University said. "They took us from the house, kicking us in the
head, beating us, all the soldiers with their rifle butts."
This action by soldiers is not preverted, considered normal by who?
AND WHO IS SURPRISED THAT THEY ARMED THEMSELVES??
By April 1988 over 150 Palestinians had died. The Israeli government had
admitted to the arrest of 2,000 people, bringing the acknowledged total to
4,000. The real figure was far higher.
Sources in the West Bank and Gaza established that the number detained by
the weekend of March 27 had exceeded 13,000. Bassam Shaka'a, deposed Mayor
of Nablus, placed the total held solely in a hastily constructed barbed-wire
encampment at Dhariyah at 10,000.
And under these conditions people have no chance of being molested? Children
and parents would complain loudly about paedophilia, rape, forced incest,
sadistic and perverted against them? Of course and the church, there are
christians in this crowd that your jewish brothers dont like to talk about,
did the church race to check the wellbeing of there followers, were they
even allowed? God would approve according to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s led by G.Bush and our other Christian institutions?
In the Balata camp outside Nablus, and in the Casbah - the old quarter -
l, 000 people were arrested in a period of 48 hours. The discovery of people
in ditches in the fields - shot in the back or with their heads caved in -
has been reported from villages throughout the West Bank and Gaza
These actions are not on their own not considered perverted actions by the
Israeli army, that is practised till today, so to the Christian Evangelical
Church/s and our other Christian instutions feel this is God's law and are
sitting back without any criticism?
This is normal behaviour not breaking God's law and religious teachings? The
Christian Evangelical Church/s g.Bush and our other Christian institutions
feel this is God's law and is sitting back without any criticism?
Army units go from house to house pulling youths from their beds at 3 a.m.
As the buses fill, the soldiers beat the youths viciously around the head,
shins, groin and back. Shrieks fill the air.
These so called soldiers arent sick perverted human beings by these very
actions alone.And is this a sign of closet paedophilia or simply a sadistic
type of paedophilia or sadism that we feel God would overlook?
TWO OF THE CHILDREN, AGES 9 AND 11 , WERE TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS IN THEIR
night clothes, frog-marched in the streets and beaten as they were forced by
the jeering soldiers to clear debris.
And of course no chance of rape, paedophilia or sexual perversions, they
have so many avenues to complain, the churh is ensuring that? The Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel this is God's
law and are ensuring support at least for the christians? Or sitting back
without any criticism?
And god's chosen have not shifted way out of the path one would consider the
way of God and are still the chosen people by the judgement of the Christian
Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions?
The Good Samaritan story has been declared redundant apparently by the
Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions feel
this is God's law and are sitting back without any criticism?
NEW YORK TIMES
Fleets of helicopters fly over Nablus at night dropping a dense, green toxic
gas over the city. The smell pervades every house. Armed units fire
canisters of the substance into houses at random. Doctors at Ittihad
Hospital reported several deaths and severe lung injuries from this as-yet
unidentified asphyxiating chemical, totally distinct from tear gas.
Among the victims was the grandmother of the Da'as family and the
100-year-old father of noted Nablus attorney Mohammad Irshaid. Soldiers had
entered the house at 2 a.m., smashing furniture and firing a canister of the
dreaded green gas while preventing the family from leaving.
Simultaneously, the Israeli army targeted the hospitals. Army trucks rammed
ambulances and blocked them from reaching the homes of those overcome by the
gas. Soldiers entered the Ittihad Hospital in Nablus numerous times,
arresting the wounded and those waiting to give blood to family members.
EVEN THE OPERATING THEATRE WAS INVADED WHILE SURGEONS WERE OPERATING ON
PATIENTS.
DOCTORS WERE BEATEN AND EQUIPMENT SMASHED. FAMILY MEMBERS WERE PREVENTED
FROM ENTERING THE HOSPITAL AND THE CARS OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WERE DESTROYED
BY SOLDIERS.
Meanwhile, all of Nablus was paralysed by a total strike. All the streets in
every quarter of the city were without open shops or business activity. As
gas permeated the city, cries and chants filled the night.
Gas canisters recovered by Bassam Shaka'a, Yousef al-Masri [chief of Ittihad
Hospital] and American author Alfred Lilienthal bear the markings "560 cs.
Federal Lab. Saltsburg, Pa. USA MK2 1988." Biochemists are studying their
properties as casualties mount.
JOHN KIFNER reported on April 4 that "Hundreds of refugees were treated in
United Nations clinics for gas inhalation." On April 15, Kifner wrote,
"...gas has been thrown inside homes, clinics and schools where the effects
are particularly severe."
This is still going on today, as the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our
other Christian institutions do not find this as going outside the teachings
and laws of God?
And why are we supporting these people in this mad uncontrolled frenzy of
extreme ill treatment?
In the case of Rachel corrie
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
As far as I am aware from the numerous Jewish organisations that claim to
represent opposition to these ungodly and inhuman practices, was there not
one beside Rachel Corrie? Because if you were not beside her, clearly you
were all behind the bulldozer.
I have not heard of one lawyer acting against the Israeli government in
support of her civil rights in that country overflowing with lawyers?
And the Christian Evangelical Church/s and our other Christian institutions
are still of the opinion that this is perfectly proper action for the chosen
people and not in contravention of god's teachings.
And God is going to back you whatever you do? Or do you people believe you
do not have to take notice of God, nor do you need his backing
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT
LOCATION: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1105337.htm
Broadcast: 10/05/2004
Confidentiality clause leaves abuse unreported: Robertson
Reporter: Tony Jones
*
TONY JONES: Well, joining us now from London is UN judge and human
rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson QC.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2004/s1105337.htm
A religion by it's corrupted holy book the Talmud, which rants aginst
christians and any other non jew against all the old testament guidance
which they have discarded for this criminal orientated book that was
critocized br Christ.
> The Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions
> Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written
> down in Jesus time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah
> (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees),
> because it nullified Biblical teachings.
>
> THE FAMOUS WARNING OF OUR LORD ABOUT THE TRADITION THAT VOIDS
> SCRIPTURE (CF. MARK 7:13), WHICH IS REGULARLY USED AGAINST
> CATHOLICISM BY PROTESTANTS, IS ACTUALLY A DIRECT REFERENCE TO
> THE TALMUD OR MORE PROPERLY, THE FORERUNNER OF THE FIRST PART
> OF IT, THE MISHNAH, WHICH EXISTED IN ORAL FORM DURING CHRIST*S
> LIFETIME, BEFORE BEING COMMITTED TO WRITING. ALL OF MARK CHAPTER 7,
> FROM VERSE ONE THROUGH THIRTEEN, REPRESENTS OUR LORD*S POINTED
> CONDEMNATION OF THE MISHNAH.
>
> Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread
> Christian notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of
> Judaism.
> But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments
> of rabbis, not God; the Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their
> supreme law and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed,
> as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As a reader
> of Talmud (in the rabbinically authorized Soncino version) I know
> this to be true.
>
> There is a small Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew
> Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites,
> a most hated and severely persecuted group within Judaism.
> Some Teachings of the Talmud Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the
> rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot
> excrement in hell.
>
> Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a
> city where he is not known and do the evil there.
>
> Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human
> ("Only ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head,
> "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are
> designated animals ("she-asses").
>
> Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the
> Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
>
> O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile
> ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
>
> Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite
> gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a
> Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
>
> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object
> lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
> (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
>
> Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to
> an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article
> to a Cuthean..."
>
> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a
> Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals
> from a Gentile he may keep.
>
> Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
> has "exposed their money to Israel."
>
> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies
> ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
>
> Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children
> are animals.
>
> Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
> birth.
>
> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
>
> Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a
> worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"
> Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover,
> Yeshu was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense
> could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"
>
> Attacks Christians and their Books Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians
> ("minim") and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be
> punished there for all generations (see footnote #11 for the definition
> of minim).
>
> Sanhedrin 90a . Those who read the New Testament (uncanonical books,
> see footnote #9) will have no portion in the world to come.
>
> Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians,
> i.e. the New Testament. See footnote #6.
>
> Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament
> books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History,
> Jewish Religion, p. 21).
ISRAEL SHAHAK REPORTS THAT THE ZIONISTS BURNED HUNDREDS OF NEW TESTAMENT
BOOKS IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE ON MARCH 23, 1980 (CF. JEWISH HISTORY, JEWISH
RELIGION, P. 21).
>
> Sick and Insane Teachings Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should
> take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with
> honey and eat it.
>
> Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy
> way is given.
>
> Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the
> animals in the Garden of Eden.
>
> Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
>
> Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically,
> three years "and a day" old).
>
> Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child
> is less than nine years old.
>
> Kethuboth 11b . "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little
> girl it is nothing."
>
> Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible
> to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also
> eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
>
> Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that
> Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
>
> Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
>
> Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits
> the rabbi won the debate.
>
> Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor
> toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited
> long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is
> with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
>
> Toilet and excrement obsessions are laced throughout Talmud and were
> exhibited in Spielberg*s Schindlers List where the Hollywood director
> shows a Jewish child jumping through a toilet seat in an outhouse and
> falling into a pool of liquefied excrement. There the child meets two
> other Jewish children partially immersed who inform the interloper
> that this cesspool is their hiding spot exclusively and that he must
> find his own. These are the kind of disgusting and morbid, psychotic
> images which Jewish kids are exposed to constantly in the cinematic
> liturgy of Holocaustianity and for that matter, in the Talmud as well.
> Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust Here are two early "Holocaust" tales
> from the Talmud: Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by
> the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish
> children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive
>
> by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not
> 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million
> Jewish children or four billion Jews).
>
> A Revealing Admission Abodah Zarah 70a . The question was asked
> of the rabbi whether some wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used
> or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been
> Gentiles (a Gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean).
> The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish
> use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place
> where the wine was stolen, are Jews
>
> Pharisaic Rituals Erubin 21b (p. 150). "Rabbi Akiba said to him,
> "Give me some water to wash my hands." "It will not suffice for
> drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your
> hands?" "What can I do? the former replied, "when for neglecting
> the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I
> myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of
> my colleagues."[This is the ritual hand washing condemned by
> Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
>
> "Great Rabbi" Deceives A Woman Kallah 51a (Soncino Minor Tractates).
> Teaches that God approves of rabbis who lie: "The elders were once
> sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his
> head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his
> head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua
> remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during
> a womans menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a
> bastard and a son of a niddah. "They said, "What induced you
> to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?" He replied, "I will
> prove it concerning him." He went to the lads mother and found
> her sitting in the market selling beans. "He said to her, "My
> daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you,
> I will bring you to the world to come." (eternal life). She said
> to him, "Swear it to me."
> Rabbi Akiba, "taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his
> heart," said to her, "What is the status of your son?" She replied,
> "When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating)
> and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had
> intercourse with me and this son was born to me." Consequently
> the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah. It was declared,
> "..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi
> Akiba..."
>
> This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The
> Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the
> reading has been altered, The best among the Egyptians being generally
> substituted."
> In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates,
> Soferim 41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage
> to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the
> extermination of non-Jews.("Jewish Press" of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
>
> On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an
> orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including
> children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple
> of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs"
> is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes", "Kahane").
>
> Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins
> philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence
> against "goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26,
> 1994,p. 5).
>
> Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish
> blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6,
> 1989, p.5).
> Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish
> fingernail."(NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
>
> Judeo-Christian Response to Talmud
> Neither the "modern" popes or the modern preachers of Protestantism,
> have ever insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn
> the Talmud. On the contrary, the heads of "Judeo-Churchianity" have
> urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers
> of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that "Judeo-Churchianity"
> is the worst betrayer of Jesus Christ on Earth today.
>
THE UTTERLY RIDICULOUS IRRELEVANT STATEMENTS OF AN ISRAELI/JEWISH PATRIOT
WHO CARES NOTHING FOR THE USA TRYING TO TURN ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE
DISTORTION OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS LIVES AND MORALS FIGHTING AN UNPRINCIPLED
JEWISHWAR FOR JEWISH/ISRAELI GAIN IN LAND AND MONEY
SO TO RETURN TO WHAT THIS GIGGLING JEW/JEWISH SUPPORTER/ISRAELI WANTS TO
RIDICULE AND LAUGH AT.
NOTHINGFRIENDLY HERE THE CORRUPTION OF OUR YOUTH AND ARMED FORCES.
http://www.madcowprod.com/01192007.html
How you are corrupting the American army at the moment.
NOW THEY HAVE America participating?
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20040504_1.htm
"Mirelle" <mirell...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ø According to a political appointee within the Bush administration and
> U.S. intelligence sources, the interrogators at Abu Ghraib included a
> number of Arabic-speaking Israelis who also helped U.S. interrogators
> develop the "R2I" (Resistance to Interrogation) techniques. Many of
> the torture methods were developed by the Israelis over many years of
> interrogating Arab prisoners on the occupied West Bank and in Israel
> itself.
>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html
>
> Mirelle
You are old, you still around? thought you'd died. ChoKed up AND DIED OF
REMORSE on the lies you keep feeding anyone who befriends you to cover up
for your nazi friends in israel and those zionist friends who sold families
and children to Germans for able bodied israelis??And you know there was no
gassing policy?? But check that out at the bottom.
And how you have corrupted America with that closet jew bush.
http://www.madcowprod.com/01192007.html
Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust
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> Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and
have
> blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid
> Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's
chief
> interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.
>
> In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those
> holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of
> Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next
> purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this
> week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of
mass
> murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews
> too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great
> murderers, among the greatest
> known by modern history.
>
> The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the
> Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this,
> obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet
> people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play
dumb":
> What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My
> own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be
> considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but
not
> considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.
>
> Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who
> served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment.
> After all, others will always remind us of their origin.
In article <1189752111.5...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
r9htz...@mangusta.e4ward.com says...
>
1290 expulsion from england.doc
http://www.heretical.org/British/jews1290.html
Although contemporary Jewish authors deny such things as ritual murder, some
admit that there may have been some unpleasant Jews around at the time.
1255, Lincoln. A boy called Hugh was kidnapped by the Jews and crucified and
tortured in hatred of Jesus Christ. The boy's mother found the body in a
well on the premises of a Jew called Jopin or Copinus. This Jew, promised by
the judge his life if he confessed, did so, and 91 Jews were arrested;
eventually 18 were hanged for the crime. King Henry III himself personally
ordered the juridical investigation of the case five weeks after the
discovery of the body, and refused to allow mercy to be shown to the Jew
Copinus, who was executed.
1144, Norwich. A twelve year-old boy was crucified and his side pierced at
the Jewish Passover. His body was found in a sack hidden in a tree. A
converted Jew, called Theobald of Cambridge, confessed that the Jews took
blood every year from a Christian child because they thought that only by so
doing could they ever obtain their freedom and return to Palestine; and that
it was their custom to draw lots to decide whence the blood was to be
supplied; Theobald said that last year the lot fell to Narbonne, but in this
year to Norwich. The boy was locally beatified and has ever since been known
as St. William. The Sheriff, probably bribed, refused to bring the Jews to
trial.
Crawl back under your rock you rock spider. Seeing at the moment America is
only " that far " as Maxwell Smart used to say from being a Hebrew speaking
all Israeli colony, so the only view currently accepted is a rabid zionist
nazi view which accepts only rabid zionist sources.
So it's a nice change to get away from mein kampf in Yiddish you zionist or
zionist arse licker, whichever fits.
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> "Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote in message
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> > We need another world-wide krystallnacht against Zionist interests.
> > Let's get the terrorists packing back to Israhell! No more evil scum
> > perverting society from the top. Death to Zionism.
> >
> > http://judicial-inc.biz/Kristallnacht.htm
> > Kristallnacht
> >
> > The real story
> >
> >
> >
> > Some history leading up to Kristallnacht and WW 2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Amschel Rothschild finances the Bolshevik revolution
> >
> > The three Jews Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin kill over twenty million
> > Russians who were opposing the Jewish swindle. Russian artists,
> > teachers, intellectuals, leaders are imprisoned and sent to the Gulags.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1933 -34 the Ukraine farmers refused to turn their land over to the
> > communists and Stalin confiscated their crops and starved seven
> > million to death.
> >
> > wpe108.jpg (9124 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hitler blocks communism and Jews declare war on Germany
> >
> >
> >
> > Hitler is in the way of Communism
> >
> > wpeFE.jpg (2489 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Infuriated Jews declared war on Germany
> >
> > wpeF9.jpg (26368 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Hitler stood alone and defiant against the tidal wave of Jewish
> > organized Communism then sweeping all before it. The Communists had
> > seized Russia and were at the bottom of civil unrest and revolution
> > throughout eastern Europe; Britain, France, - the Spanish Civil War -,
> > the British dominions and the United States.
> >
> > Germany alone repelled and held in check this tidal wave of subversion
> > and insurrection.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Circumstances leading up to Kristallnacht
> >
> >
> > Herschel Grynszpan
> >
> > wpeF5.jpg (3777 bytes)
> > A Jew assassinates a diplomat
> >
> > Grynszpan was an 17 yr old unemployed Jew who was funded by LICRA (
> > Jewish activist group ). His father had been a tailor who had moved
> > from Poland to Germany. Herschel had a reputation for disliking work
> > and he hung out at the homes of his uncles in Brussels and Paris.
> >
> > He checked into an expensive hotel just round the corner from the
> > offices of LICA.
> >
> > On November 7 1938, Herschel Grynszpan walked into the German embassy
> > in Paris and shot Ernst vom Rath, a German diplomat, five times.
> >
> > LICA at once hired one of the foremost barristers in Paris, and paid
> > his legal costs when he was arrested.
> > wpeF8.jpg (3083 bytes) Ernst vom Rath
> >
> > Was a 31 yr old German diplomat in Paris.
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan was arrested
> > wpeF6.jpg (4305 bytes) Grynszpan was arrested at the scene and was
> > taken to a police station. Although he was a totally obscure Polish Jew
> > with no money and no apparent supporters, nevertheless one of France's
> > most famous lawyers, Moro Giafferi, appeared at the police station a
> > few hours after the shooting and told the police that he was
> > Grynszpan's attorney
> >
> >
> >
> > Famous lawyer ( Moro Giafferi ) mysteriously appears
> > wpeF7.jpg (2288 bytes)
> >
> > Moro Giafferi turns out to be the legal counsel of the LICA which was
> > founded in Paris in 1933 by the Jew Bernard Lecache and operated as a
> > militant propaganda organization .
> >
> > Another assassination
> >
> > In February 1936 Giafferi represented the Jew David Frankfurter who had
> > shot and killed Wilhelm Gustloff, the head of the Swiss branch of the
> > German National Socialist Party. During the subsequent trial it was
> > clearly established that Frankfurter had been a hired murderer with
> > backed by LICRA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan survives the war and lives in Paris supported by LICRA
> > LICRA
> >
> > wpeF6.jpg (3187 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan survived the war and returned to Paris where he was supported
> > by LICRA and was never charged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bernard Lecache - LICRA founder
> > wpe100.jpg (2347 bytes) Grynszpan family recieved a vast sum and
> > papers to Palestine from LICRA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What Really Happened During the Crystal Night
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wpeFC.jpg (11969 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Provocateurs appear in border towns
> > wpeED.jpg (4105 bytes) On 8 November 1938, one day before the Crystal
> > Night, strange persons who had never been seen there before suddenly
> > appeared in several small towns in Hessen near the French-German
> > border. They went to mayors, Kreisleiters (district Party leaders) and
> > other important officials in these towns and asked them what actions
> > were being planned against the Jews. The officials were rather startled
> > by these questions and replied that they didn't know of any such plans.
> > The strangers acted as if they were shocked to hear this. They shouted
> > and complained that something had to be done against the Jews and then,
> > without further explanation, they disappeared.
> > They usually regarded the strangers as crazy anti-Semites and promptly
> > forgot about the incidents - until the next evening. Some of these
> > apparently crazy individuals really outdid themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> > Provocateurs dress as SS
> > wpeEF.jpg (2292 bytes) In one case two men, dressed as members of the
> > SS, went to an SA Standartenfuehrer (Colonel) and ordered him to
> > destroy the nearby synagogue. To understand the absurdity of this one
> > must know that the SS and SA were completely separate organizations. A
> > real SS member would never have tried to give orders to an SA unit.
> > This case shows that the strangers were foreigners who did not even
> > understand the distinctions of German authority. The SA
> > Standartenfuehrer rejected the demands of the self-styled SS men and
> > reported the incident to his superiors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Strangers giving speeches
> > wpeFB.jpg (5701 bytes) When the provocateurs realized that their
> > efforts were not working with local officials, they changed their
> > tactics. Instead they tried to incite directly the people in the
> > streets. In another town, for example, two men appeared at the market
> > place and began making speeches to the people there, trying to incite
> > them against the Jews. Eventually some people did indeed storm the
> > synagogue, but by then the two provocateurs had, of course,
> > disappeared. Similar incidents occurred in several towns.
> > Unidentified strangers suddenly appeared, gave speeches, started
> > throwing stones at windows, stormed Jewish buildings, schools,
> > hospitals, and synagogues, and then disappeared.
> >
> > These unusual incidents had already started on the 8th of November,
> > that is, before Ernst vom Rath was dead. His death was only reported
> > late on the evening of the 9th. The fact that this strange pattern of
> > incidents had already begun one day earlier proves that the death of
> > vom Rath was not the reason for the Crystal Night outburst. Vom Rath
> > was still alive when the pogrom began.
> >
> >
> >
> > These were methodical thugs and not enraged citizens
> > wpe102.jpg (1793 bytes) Well organized and widespread incidents began
> > on the evening of 9 November. Groups of generally five or six young
> > men, armed with bars and clubs, went down the streets smashing store
> > windows. They were not Jew-hating SA men, enraged over the murder of a
> > German diplomat. They operated too methodically to have been motivated
> > by anger.
> >
> > They carried out their work without any apparent emotion. Nonetheless,
> > it was their destruction
> > that encouraged certain other individuals from the lowest social
> > classes to become a mob and continue the destruction.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All one can learn from history writers is that "all" synagogues were
> > demolished and that "all" shop windows were destroyed. Aside from this
> > vague description, one is given almost no details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jews fought off attacks
> >
> >
> > History writers tell us that during the Crystal Night all the Jews were
> > frightened, meekly accepted whatever happened to them and watched the
> > destruction of their property with no resistance. The contrary is true.
> > While going through the files on this subject, I found many documents
> > which report precisely just the opposite of what is claimed. The fact
> > is that in many cases Jews and their German neighbors fought together
> > against the attackers, pushing them down staircases. Street mobs were
> > beaten up and chased away in more than one case.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Police on side of Jews
> >
> > SA officers stood watch preventing attacks
> >
> > Police and Party officials were generally on the side of the Jews. Some
> > Jewish community leaders went to police stations the next morning and
> > asked the police to investigate the damage done to their synagogues.
> > The resulting police reports are still available in the files today.
> > wpeEF.jpg (4518 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Jews weren't phased by attacks
> > wpeF7.jpg (5870 bytes) Also contrary to what we have been told, most
> > Jews were not directly affected by these events. In Berlin, for
> > example, all of the teachers and pupils of the city's largest Jewish
> > school, which served the entire Berlin area, appeared in their classes
> > the next morning without having noticed anything unusual during the
> > previous night.
> >
> > Heinemann Stern, the Jewish principal of that school, wrote in his
> > postwar memoirs that he noticed a burning synagogue on his way to the
> > school on the morning after the Crystal Night, but he thought it was
> > just an accidental fire.
> >
> > It was only after he arrived at the school that he received a telephone
> > call informing him of the destruction of the previous night. He then
> > went on with his classes of the day and only during the first recess
> > did he take the trouble to inform the entire student body about what
> > had happened.
> >
> > Jewish historians rewrote history
> >
> > Historians wrote: "Every single Jew was beaten, chased, robbed,
> > insulted and humiliated. The SA tore the Jews from their beds,
> > mercilessly beat them in their apartments and then ... chased them
> > almost to death ... Blood flowed everywhere."
> >
> > [9] Is it conceivable that thousands of Jewish children would be have
> > been sent to school by their parents on the morning after that fateful
> > night if the attacks against Jews had been so horrific or extensive?
> > Would any parents have let their children go to school if they had
> > thought there was even the slightest danger of them being attacked by
> > roving gangs of SA men? I think the answer is clearly no!
> >
> >
> >
> > Who Could the Provocateurs Have Been?
> >
> > In the wake of the Crystal Night, almost everyone wanted to know who
> > the culprits were. Dr. Goebbels expressed his suspicion that a secret
> > organization must have instigated the entire affair. He simply could
> > not believe that anything so well organized could have been a
> > spontaneous popular outburst.
> >
> > Apparently to avoid internal wrangling and the harm that this would do
> > to their public image, an investigation to determine the instigators
> > never took place. Hitler believed that Dr. Goebbels, his closest
> > confidant and the one man he could never abandon, had been the
> > instigator.
> >
> > The only persons actually punished were individual SA men who had
> > participated directly in the pogrom and been accused in German courts
> > of murder, assault, looting or other criminal acts by Jewish or German
> > witnesses to these crimes. But before any of these cases ever actually
> > came to trail, Hitler issued a special decree ordering the postponement
> > of all such cases until after the accused individuals were first
> > prosecuted by the Supreme Party Court, an internal court concerned with
> > discipline within the National Socialist Party organization.
> >
> >
> > Mystery phone calls to local town officials
> > wpe103.jpg (1679 bytes) Several district and local Party leaders
> > (Kreisleiters and Ortsgruppenleiters) were awakened from their sleep in
> > the middle of the night by telephone calls. Someone claiming to be from
> > the regional Party headquarters or the regional Party propaganda bureau
> > (Gauleitung or Gaupropagandaleitung) would ask what was happening in
> > the official's town or city. If the Party official answered "Nothing,
> > everything is quiet," the telephone caller would then say in German
> > slang that he had received an order to the effect that the Jews were
> > going to get it tonight and that the respective official should carry
> > out the order.
> >
> > In most cases the Party leader, disturbed from his sleep, did not even
> > understand what had happened. Some simply dismissed the call as a joke
> > and went back to bed.
> >
> > Others called back the office from where the telephone voice had
> > pretended to be calling. If they managed to reach someone in charge,
> > they were often told that nobody knew anything about such a call. But
> > if they reached only a lower official they were often told: "Well, if
> > you got that order, you'd better go ahead and do what you were told."
> > These telephone calls caused considerable confusion. All this came out
> > months later during the trials conducted by the Supreme Party Court.
> > The Chief Judge concluded that in every case a misunderstanding had
> > arisen in one link or other of the chain of command. But when they were
> > confronted with apparently genuine orders to organize demonstrations
> > against the Jews that night, most of the Party leaders had simply not
> > known what to do.
> >
> >
> >
> > Obviously a group of centrally organized thugs
> >
> >
> > The pattern of seemingly sporadic anti-Jewish incidents in small towns,
> > followed only later by a carefully planned outburst in many large
> > cities throughout Germany, clearly suggests the work of a centrally
> > organized group of well-trained agents. Even shortly after the Crystal
> > Night, many leading Party officials suspected that the entire affair
> > had been centrally coordinated. Significantly, even Hermann Graml, the
> > only West German historian who has written in detail about the Crystal
> > Night, carefully distinguished between provocateurs and people who were
> > simply carried away by their emotions and spontaneously took part in
> > the riot and destruction.
> >
> >
> >
> > The timing was perfect
> >
> > Most party officials were at a commemoration at the Alte Rathaus in
> > Munich
> >
> > wpeF5.jpg (5381 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Munich on the Ninth of November
> > While all this was happening across the Reich, a special annual
> > commemoration was being held in Munich. Fifteen years earlier, on 9
> > November 1923, a movement led by Adolph Hitler, Erich von Ludendorff (a
> > leading First World War General), and two major figures in the Bavarian
> > government tried to depose the legal government and take responsibility
> > themselves as a new national government. wpeF6.jpg (2743 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Feldherrnhalle
> > wpeF1.jpg (8854 bytes) The uprising or putsch was put down and 16
> > rebels were shot down next to the Feldherrnhalle, a famous old monument
> > building in central Munich. Accordingly, the 9th of November had been
> > commemorated every year since 1933 as the memorial day for the martyred
> > heroes of the National Socialist movement. Adolph Hitler and the Party
> > veterans, as well as all of the Gauleiters (regional Party leaders) met
> > every year in Munich for the occasion. Hitler would usually deliver a
> > speech to a select audience of Party veterans at the famous
> > Buergerbraeukeller restaurant on the evening of the 8th.
> >
> > Hitler and veterans reenact
> >
> > On the morning of the 9th Hitler and his veteran comrades would reenact
> > the 1923 "March to the Feldherrnhalle."
> >
> >
> > wpeF7.jpg (3902 bytes)
> >
> >
> > wpeF0.jpg (3689 bytes) SS ceremony
> >
> > On the evening of the 9th the Fuehrer always held an informal dinner at
> > the Old Town Hall ("Alte Rathaus") with old comrades as well as all the
> > Gauleiters. At midnight young men who were about to enter the SS and
> > the SA were sworn in at the Feldherrnhalle.
> >
> > All of the Gauleiters and other guests participated in this very solemn
> > ceremony. After it was over they left Munich and returned to their
> > homes throughout the Reich.
> >
> >
> > Gaulieters not at posts
> >
> >
> > It is clear that the 9th of November date was chosen very cleverly. The
> > annual commemoration ceremony of that day insured that almost all of
> > the Gauleiters would be away from their home offices when the
> > anti-Jewish demonstrations began. In other words, the actual
> > decision-making responsibilities that were normally carried out by the
> > Gauleiters were temporarily in the hands of lower-ranking individuals
> > with less experience.
> >
> > Between 8 and 10 November, subordinate officials stood in for the
> > Gauleiters who were either in Munich or en route to or from the annual
> > commemoration there. This temporary transfer of decision-making
> > authority is very important because it contributed to much of the
> > subsequent confusion and thus helped the provocateurs. Another
> > contributing factor was the fact that no one expected any trouble. At
> > that time Germany was one of the most peaceful countries in the world.
> >
> >
> > There was no reason to expect any kind of unrest. It was only during
> > dinner at the Old Town Hall that the first sporadic reports of riot and
> > destruction reached Munich from some of the Gauleiter's home offices.
> > At the same time it was learned that Ernst vom Rath had died in Paris
> > from his wounds.
> >
> >
> >
> > What Was Goebbels Doing?
> > wpeF2.jpg (2300 bytes) After the dinner was over, the Fuehrer left at
> > about 9 p.m. and returned to his apartment. Dr. Goebbels then stood up
> > and spoke briefly about the latest news. He informed the audience that
> > vom Rath had died and that, as a result, anti-Jewish demonstrations had
> > spontaneously broken out in two or three places. Goebbels was renowned
> > for his passionate and inspiring speeches. But what he gave that
> > evening was not a speech at all but only a short and very informal
> > announcement.
> >
> >
> >
> > He suggested that the Gauleiters and the head of the SA, Viktor Lutze,
> > should contact their home offices to make sure that peace and order
> > were being maintained.
> >
> >
> > You may have heard the widespread allegation that Goebbels started the
> > Crystal Night pogrom with a fiery speech on that evening of 9 November.
> > This widely accepted story is false. The following facts will clarify
> > this point:
> >
> > As Gauleiter for Berlin, Dr. Goebbels had no authority outside of his
> > Berlin district. Although he was also the Propaganda Minister of the
> > German government, this did not give him any authority over Party
> > officials. Furthermore, he had no authority whatsoever over the SA or
> > the SS.
> >
> >
> > Goebbels understood this damaged the Reich international standing
> > Of all the National Socialist leaders, Dr. Goebbels would have
> > understood better than anyone else the immense damage that an
> > anti-Jewish pogrom would cause for Germany. On the morning of 10
> > November, when he first learned about the extent of the damage and
> > destruction of the previous night, he was furious and shocked at the
> > stupidity of those who had participated.
> >
> > How could a speech given after 9 p.m. on the evening of 9 November have
> > possibly incited a "pogrom" which had already begun the day before when
> > the first provocateurs appeared at municipal and Party offices to
> > persuade officials to take action against the Jews?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gauleiters telephoned subordinates to maintain peace
> > The Gauleiters and the SA commander went to the telephones and called
> > their respective home offices to order their subordinates to do
> > everything necessary to maintain peace and order. They emphasized that
> > under no circumstances must anyone take part in any demonstrations.
> > These telephone instructions were written down at the home offices by
> > whoever was on duty. The orders from each Gauleiter were then passed on
> > by telex to other offices within the Gau or district. These telex
> > messages are still in various records files and are available to anyone
> > who wishes to examine them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Orders to Stop the Pogrom
> > wpeF5.jpg (3954 bytes) While the Gauleiters were calling their home
> > offices, the head of the SA, Viktor Lutze, ordered all of his immediate
> > subordinates, the SA Gruppenfuehrers, who were together with him in
> > Munich, to call their home offices as well. Lutze ordered that under no
> > circumstances could SA men take part in any demonstrations against
> > Jews, and that furthermore the SA was to intervene to stop any
> > demonstrations already in progress.
> >
> >
> > SA, Viktor Lutze gives orders to protect Jews
> >
> > As a result of these strict orders, SA men began to guard Jewish stores
> > that very night wherever windows had been broken. There is no doubt
> > about this order by Lutze because we have the postwar court testimony
> > of several witnesses confirming it. The SS and the police were given
> > similar orders to restore peace and order.
> > wpeFB.jpg (2954 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Heydrich orders SS to protect Jews
> > wpeFC.jpg (1558 bytes) Himmler ordered Reinhard Heydrich to prevent
> > all destruction of property and to protect Jews against demonstrators.
> > The telex communication of this order still exists. It is in the files
> > of the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.
> > However, during the Nuremberg trial this telex order was presented in
> > three different forms, with forged amendments to change the original
> > meaning.
> >
> > In my book Feuerzeichen I undertook to restore the original text.
> > wpeED.jpg (6116 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Hitler was furious
> > wpeFE.jpg (2489 bytes) Adolf Hitler joined the midnight celebration at
> > the Feldherrnhalle. It was only after he returned to his apartment
> > about one o'clock in the morning that he learned about the
> > demonstrations which had been taking place in Munich, during which one
> > synagogue had been set on fire. He was furious and immediately ordered
> > the police chief of Munich to come see him. Hitler told him to
> > immediately stop the fire and to make sure that no other outrages took
> > place in Munich. He then called various police and Party officials
> > throughout the Reich to learn the extent of these demonstrations
> >
> > Finally, he ordered a telex message sent to all Gauleiter offices. It
> > read: "By express order from the very highest authority, arson against
> > Jewish businesses or other property must in no case and under no
> > circumstances take place." Synagogues were not specifically mentioned,
> > apparently because Hitler was still unaware of the burning of
> > synagogues, apart from the one in Munich.
> >
> > How Did the SA Get Involved Despite the Orders From Its Own Leaders?
> >
> > According to the records, at least three of the 28 SA Groups did not
> > obey the orders of SA chief Lutze. Instead, they sent out their men to
> > destroy synagogues and Jewish buildings. In effect they did precisely
> > the opposite of what Lutze had ordered. What actually happened is clear
> > from the testimony and evidence presented at postwar trials against
> > former SA men accused of participating in the riot.
> >
> >
> >
> > Provocateurs sent messages to SA Brigade
> > wpeED.jpg (2921 bytes) The trials, held between 1946 and 1952, were
> > based to a large extent on the report of SA Brigade 50 chief Karl Lucke
> > and begins with these words: "On 10 November 1938, at 3 o'clock in the
> > morning, I received the following order: 'By order of the
> > Gruppenfuehrer, all Jewish synagogues within the Brigade district are
> > to be immediately blown up or set on fire'." Lucke then included in his
> > report a listing of synagogues which had been destroyed by members of
> > his Brigade.
> >
> > This report has been cited by the prosecution at the Nuremberg Tribunal
> > and by practically all of the consensus historians ever since as proof
> > that the SA was given orders to destroy Jewish stores and synagogues.
> >
> > Lutze ordered the Group leaders to contact their home offices to stop
> > all anti-Jewish demonstrations, Fust, along with the other SA leaders,
> > did just that. He called his office in Mannheim and passed on the
> > orders he had received from Lutze. The man who was on duty that night
> > at the Mannheim SA office telephone and who received Fust's order
> > confirmed that he understood it and then hung up. But he never passed
> > on the order he had received. Instead, he transmitted precisely the
> > opposite order.
> >
> > Fritsch gets bogus orders
> > wpeF0.jpg (1550 bytes) The normal procedure would have been for the
> > man on duty at the telephone to immediately call the deputy group
> > leader, Lucke, who was in nearby Darmstadt. But instead he called SA
> > Oberfuehrer (senior colonel) Fritsch and asked him to come to the
> > office. Fritsch had a reputation for not being particularly clever.
> > When he arrived, the man who had received the telephone call showed him
> > a small paper slip with a few notes on it which said that the
> > synagogues within the Mannheim SA Group district were to be destroyed.
> >
> > The man who had received the call explained to Fritsch that the order
> > had just arrived from Munich. Slow-minded as he was, Fritsch did not
> > know what to do and called the local Kreisleiter (district Party
> > leader) and his deputy. These two men then arrived at the SA office and
> > discussed the situation, while at the same time the telephone duty man
> > notified other SA leaders, but still not the deputy Group leader Lucke.
> > In the meantime the small paper slip disappeared and the SA men now
> > arriving at the headquarters met only the Kreisleiter, who told them
> > about the order which he thought had come from Munich. No one asked for
> > any further confirmation. The SA men then left to begin the
> > destruction. Hours later, when the whole action was almost finished,
> > the telephone guard finally called Deputy Group Leader Lucke and passed
> > on the false order. He also informed Lucke that the action had already
> > been going on for several hours. Since it was almost all over by this
> > time, Lucke also neglected to ask for confirmation of the order. It was
> > already 3 o'clock in the morning. Lucke then alerted the
> > Standartenfuehrer of his Brigade and carried out the destruction within
> > the Darmstadt district.
> >
> > Mysterious telephone call
> >
> >
> > At 8 o'clock the next morning Lucke sat down and wrote the report which
> > was later cited at the Nuremberg Tribunal. In fact, as already shown,
> > there was no order to commit arson or carry out destruction against any
> > Jewish property from the Gruppenfuehrer in Munich, but only from the
> > telephone guard. Who he was remains a mystery. During the postwar
> > trials against members of this SA unit, none of the judges asked for
> > the name or identity of this telephone guard. This mysterious man was
> > very probably an agent for those who were actually behind the entire
> > Crystal Night Affair.
> >
> >
> > The Fine Imposed on the Jews
> > wpeA9.jpg (11601 bytes) German government and Party officials were
> > furious about what had happened. Hermann Goering, who was responsible
> > for Germany's economy, complained that it would be impossible to
> > replace the special plate glass of the broken store windows because it
> > was not manufactured in Germany. It had to be imported from Belgium and
> > would cost a great deal of precious foreign currency.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reason for fine
> > wpeF8.jpg (3662 bytes) Because of the Jewish boycott against German
> > goods, the Reich was short of foreign exchange currency. Goering
> > therefore decided that because this shortage was caused by the Jews, it
> > was they who would have to pay for the broken glass. He imposed a fine
> > of one billion Reichsmarks on the German Jews.
> >
> > It was certainly unjust to force Jews to pay for damage which they had
> > not caused. Goering understood this. However, in private he justified
> > the fine by citing the fact that the 1933 Jewish declaration of war
> > against Germany was proclaimed in the name of the millions of Jews
> > throughout the world.
> >
> > Therefore they could now help their co-religionists in Germany bear the
> > consequences of the boycott. It should also be pointed out that only
> > German Jews with assets of more than 5,000 Reichsmarks in cash had to
> > contribute to the fine. In 1938, when prices were very low, 5,000
> > Reichsmarks was a small fortune.
> >
> > The Reich confiscated all insurance payments that were to have been
> > paid to Jews whose businesses and homes were looted or destroyed and
> > the Jewish owners were made personally responsible for the cost of all
> > repairs.
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Crystal Night' 1938: The great Anti-German spectacle
> > Ingrid Weckert
> >
> > * Paper Presented to the Sixth International Revisionist
> > Conference.
> >
WHO WOULD WANT TO DO SUCH A THING???
AND WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE THE POWER, MONEY AND READY ARMY???
American society.
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Below an example of those fine methods that bush wants Americans to adopt.
And will certainly adopt if the republicans win.
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> The twilight zone / 'Now you are paralyzed, as we
> promised'
> By Gideon Levy
>
> "We have to make you do a little sports," the Shin Bet
> interrogator said, launching four successive days of
> questioning accompanied by brutal physical torture.
> The result: Luwaii Ashqar can no longer stand on his
> feet. He sits in his wheelchair, dressed in a
> fashionable quasi-military suit, super-elegant, new
> Caterpillar-brand shoes on his paralyzed feet.
>
> "I love this color," he says about his uniform. "It's
> the color of the soldiers who came to arrest me for
> the interrogation that did all this to me."
>
> His smile is captivating, his Hebrew rich and
> incisive. He is a young man whose world fell apart. He
> entered prison sound of body and mind and emerged a
> broken man. For four days and four nights nonstop, he
> says, he was interrogated and subjected to torture of
> the most brutal kind. The result is the person we see
> before us in the wheelchair, in the elegant home high
> in the village of Saida, north of Tul Karm, which was
> placed at his disposal by a friend after he was
> released from Israeli prison a month ago.
>
> Was there a judgment by the High Court of Justice?
> There was. It banned precisely the types of torture he
> underwent: the "banana posture," the "shabah" (body
> stretching with hands tied to a chair), "invisible"
> blows and the "frog posture" (being forced to stand
> for hours on the toes in a crouching position) - all
> the way to a vicious kick to his chest that bent his
> body backward while he was tied to a chair with his
> arms and legs, and which was the probable cause of the
> partial paralysis of his legs.
>
> Throwing up with the vomit entering his nostrils,
> losing consciousness and being given only saltwater to
> drink, relieving himself in his pants, not sleeping or
> resting - all of that for four consecutive days and
> nights.
>
> What does the interrogator Maimon tell his children
> when he goes home? What do Eldad and Sagiv tell their
> wives about their daily labors before they turn in?
> That they tortured another helpless prisoner until
> they turned him into a cripple? That they beat this
> charming young man brutally and that at the end of the
> interrogation he was tried for only marginal offenses?
> And where is the Supreme Court, which in 1999
> prohibited precisely the chain of torture that Luwaii
> Sati Ashqar, 30, who was married three years ago,
> underwent in the Kishon detention facility?
>
> Ashqar is not alone. The Public Committee Against
> Torture in Israel has just issued a new report
> containing the testimonies of nine torture victims
> (English version: http://www.stoptorture.org.il/eng/
> ). As the authors of the shocking report say, the
> testimonies "paint a dismal picture in which can be
> discerned various categories of secret-keeping
> collaborators, who, in keeping silent, protect the
> [Shin Bet] system of torture." ...
>
> On the wall is a picture, a fine drawing of a kneeling
> prisoner, his head between his knees. The caption: "I
> am in the darkness of the prison, living on your
> memory. I am far from you, lying in my bed, my spirit
> cruising your land all night. God will release all the
> prisoners, the strong will triumph."
>
> Ashqar is sitting in his wheelchair, his left leg
> completely enclosed in a cast, his right leg shaking
> nonstop. When he tries to get up and lean on his
> crutches, he threatens to topple over. "I was married
> in 2004, and I started to work in aluminum in the
> village to provide for my new household. On April 22,
> 2005, at 2:30 A.M., the soldiers came and started to
> throw grenades and to shout for everyone in the house
> to go outside. They blindfolded me with whatever they
> use and handcuffed me. I was taken in a jeep to prison
> and I was examined by an army doctor. He looked over
> my body - no operations, doesn't take medication, no
> illnesses. Again I was taken in a military jeep, this
> time to Kishon. 'Yehuda, incoming,' the warder said
> and transferred me to the interrogation office. They
> opened my eyes: Good morning. An excellent morning.
> One of the interrogators, Maimon, told me: I am
> responsible for your file. What file? The one you were
> arrested for. This is the major, and this tall guy is
> the colonel, this is Sagiv and this is Eldad. Eight
> interrogators.
>
> "They said: We have no time, it will soon be our
> Passover and you have to finish everything in a short
> time. Finish what? You have to tell us what you have.
> I don't have anything to tell you. I begged. They
> said: We know all that nonsense. We are talking about
> security. Plans for terrorist attacks at Passover. I
> said: I don't understand what you are talking about.
> They said: The suicide bomber was at your place. What
> suicide bomber?
>
> "After two hours of talking they said to me: If you
> don't give everything you have, we will have to take
> it by a different way. What is the different way? Did
> you hear of a military interrogation? You might leave
> here with your body battered or crippled. I was taken
> to a military interrogation. Here you pray to God that
> you will die, they said, but we won't give you that.
> We will let you die only after you spill out what we
> are looking for. He gave me a prison uniform and I
> told him that if I was going to die, I preferred my
> own clothes.
>
> "They sat me down on a square chair without a back,
> which was attached to the floor and had sharp metal
> ends [sticking up]. My legs were tied to the legs of
> the chair with metal cuffs and my hands were tied
> behind my back with metal cuffs. One interrogator sat
> behind me and the other in front of me. The
> interrogator opposite me said: We have to give you a
> little sports, so you will be able to hold out in the
> military interrogation. The sports was that they
> pushed me backward by the chest, a backward
> somersault, and I would hold myself so my bones would
> not break. After a minute or two I would automatically
> fall on the floor, but the interrogator behind me
> would put his foot on my chest and press, and the
> interrogator in front would grab my hands and pull and
> pull behind the chair. They kept on like that until I
> don't know what happened to me, heat in every part of
> my body, puking everything I had in my stomach and it
> would go into my nostrils. I would wake up when they
> poured water on my face. When I woke up, we went back
> to the same situation. It went on like this 15-20
> times an hour.
>
> "After that they made me crouch on my toes, not
> letting me lean on the back of my foot. I was in that
> position for 40-50 minutes, maybe an hour - that was
> my estimate - until I felt my soles swelling and they
> turned blue and there was tremendous pain. After that,
> stand up, and they tied my hands and pressed as hard
> as they could on the metal handcuffs until the metal
> dug into my hand. Here are the signs, you can still
> see them. Because of the pressure, the key of the
> handcuffs didn't always work and they would bring huge
> metal scissors, like they use in construction, and
> tear off the handcuffs and then bring new ones, to go
> on. The color of my hands changed to blue, and when
> they opened [the handcuffs] my hands shook. The
> interrogator stood on the table and pulled me with a
> chain of handcuffs. When I fell, they pulled me by the
> hair.
>
> "I would cry, beg, shout, and they came back to me
> with words, that it was impossible to stop, only after
> you start talking about what we want. I said to them:
> Tell me what you want. Tell me I am responsible for
> the attack on the Pentagon, I am ready to confess to
> everything, just tell me what. I want to end this
> death."
>
> "There were always four interrogators and two rotated
> every four hours, day and night. The new ones would
> tell me they were stronger than the ones before, that
> the ones before were a joke, we are the strong ones.
> And that was true. The new ones tied me and started to
> beat me all over my body. One interrogator pressed
> hard on my testicles and on my feet with his shoes.
> When they slapped me and I tried to pull back, the
> major would say: What are you doing? If you move back,
> I will break your nose, and if you move forward I will
> rip off your ear. Be strong and take it sportingly,
> because you are a soldier and a fighter. They broke
> this tooth."
>
> Ashqar suddenly stops talking. He turns pale and his
> face is covered with beads of perspiration. His
> father, Sati, quickly wipes his face with a damp
> cloth. "Every time I try to remember I get dizzy, even
> when I am alone." Quiet descends in the room. It will
> take Ashqar another few minutes to pull himself
> together.
>
> "I was taken into detention on Friday morning, and
> that was the last light of day I saw before the
> interrogation. I came out for the first time on Monday
> night or before dawn on Tuesday morning. On those long
> days I sat in a chair and did not even go to the
> toilet. So you won't kill yourself, they said. I
> urinated in my clothes, and a terrible stench started.
> For four days I didn't eat anything. They told me: If
> we give you something to eat, something will happen to
> your stomach and your intestines. Maybe they will
> explode under the pressure of the food when we push
> you backward. You will drink only half a cup of
> saltwater. That is what they gave me every time after
> they bent me and I vomited. Why with salt? I asked.
> Give me without salt. No, so nothing will happen in
> your stomach and intestines. I would drink it and
> vomit.
>
> "On Monday evening, they told me that five witnesses
> had testified that Luwaii had transported a wanted
> man. I told them that there was a famous wanted man
> named Luwaii Sadi, but my name is Luwaii Sati, and
> maybe they had mixed us up. He said to me: Are you
> saying the Shin Bet is that stupid? We know exactly
> what we're doing, and it is all correct. I said: Put
> me on trial for whatever you want. He said: Ya'allah,
> sports again. He pushes me backward in the chair. I
> will help you become a story in Palestinian history.
> He is talking to me and my head is down below. He
> pushes strongly with his leg and presses on my chest.
> I felt something like an explosion in my body. Like
> something broke. After that I don't know what
> happened. I woke up and they were pouring water on my
> face. Again they pushed me backward and again I
> fainted.
>
> "He said to me: Stand on your feet. I felt that my
> legs were cold, like pins and needles in the legs. I
> said: I can't. He said: Now you are paralyzed. I said:
> I guess I am. He said: That is what we promised you
> and that is what you want."
>
>
> "I discovered I had a wound in the back and it was
> bleeding - because of the sharp chair - and one of my
> bones was protruding. Because of the blood and because
> of the urine of four days there was such a stench that
> the interrogator could not come close to me. He said:
> Why do you stink like that? I told him: That is your
> perfume. A warder took me to the shower and threw me
> on the floor and said to me: Ya'allah, you have two
> minutes to shower. I looked at the faucet up above and
> I could not reach it. I pulled down my pants and the
> underpants stayed in place. I tried to pull them down
> - I could do it in front but behind it was stuck to my
> back. The two minutes went by and the warder started
> to pound on the door. Time's up. I told him: Give me
> another two minutes, I can't reach the faucet. He came
> in and asked: What do you have on your back? I said: I
> don't know.
>
> "He called the interrogator and said: Come and see the
> prisoner. The interrogator came and asked: What do you
> have, Luwaii? I said: I don't know what I have on my
> back, I can't pull the underpants down and I can't
> reach the faucet. He said: Ya'allah, we will go up and
> finish the story and take you to the doctor.
>
> "Two warders took me in a Prisons Service vehicle to
> Rambam [Medical Center in Haifa]. In emergency, my
> hands and feet were tied and a Russian doctor asked
> me: What hurts you? I told him: My whole body hurts
> from the interrogation. The Druze warder said: Shut
> up. The doctor turned me on the side and stuck a
> finger into my ass. I asked him: What are you doing?
> He said: I am checking whether you have hemorrhoids.
> Why didn't you ask me first? I am a professional, he
> said. I said: What about the wound on the back? He put
> ointment there and dressed it. After 10 minutes I was
> taken back to interrogation. Again I was tied to the
> square chair. The bandage fell off and the wound
> started to bleed again. After that, they stopped the
> military interrogation."
>
>
> He was interrogated for another two months, but
> without physical torture. He was told that his wife
> had been arrested because of him - a complete
> fabrication - and he was given a lie detector test
> ("the falsehoods machine," in his Hebrew). For two
> weeks he was placed in a cell with stool pigeons. In
> the end, he was indicted on only two counts, in
> Prosecution File 2157/05: assisting a wanted person to
> hide and using a forged document. No ticking and no
> bomb. Ashqar was sentenced to 26 months in prison and
> was released a month ago. In the meantime, his younger
> brother, Osaimar, disappeared. Soldiers came to the
> house looking for him, but he was not there. His
> family has not seen him since: He told them that he
> was not willing to undergo what Luwaii did.
>
> Luwaii is now looking for a way to get medical
> treatment in Israel or abroad, after his physician
> told him that he would not be able to get
> rehabilitation in the West Bank. His lawyer told him
> that the Shin Bet will almost certainly prevent him
> from going anywhere.
>
> ---
>
> This is the response received by Haaretz from the Shin
> Bet:
>
> Luwaii Ashqar was arrested in April 2005, after
> serious suspicions were raised against him concerning
> his involvement in terrorism, including possession of
> weapons and assistance to wanted individuals - terror
> activists from Islamic Jihad.
>
> One of the suspicions was that he had provided
> accommodation, ahead of a terrorist act, for Sirhan
> Sarhan, the perpetrator of the attack in Kibbutz
> Metzer, who murdered Revital Ohayon and her two
> children, Noam and Matan, of blessed memory.
>
> The suspect was tried and convicted in a plea bargain,
> and sentenced to 14 months in prison and another 14
> months in prison stemming from a pending conditional
> sentence, so that all told he was sentenced to 26
> months in prison. In addition, he received a 28-month
> suspended sentence.
>
> His interrogation was carried out according to the
> rules and directives, with constant review of the
> interrogation process.
>
> During the interrogation, the above-named put forward
> medical complaints, which were examined and treated by
> the appropriate medical authorities, including an
> examination he underwent in hospital.
>
> It should be noted that during the interrogation he
> did not cite medical complaints of the same
> seriousness as those mentioned in the query.
>
> Complaints relating to his interrogation, from, among
> other sources, the Committee Against Torture and the
> Red Cross, were referred to the State Prosecutor's
> Office for examination, which ordered an examination
> by the Ombudsman of Interogees' Complaints.
>
> The examination of the complaints did not turn up any
> excesses in the interrogation, and in the wake of
> this, the official in charge of the OIC in the State
> Prosecutor's Office decided to close the examination
> file.
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/871239.html
>
WHO WOULD WANT TO DO SUCH A THING???
AND WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO???
WELL THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT THE NEXT .
"ElParedon" <ser...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:COiqj.19631$1f....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
> U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
> Published on Monday, February 04, 2008.
>
>
> Source: Propaganda Matrix- Paul Joseph Watson
>
> U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and
> shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members,
as
> part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial
> law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.
>
> We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that
> runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which
according
> to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard,
Reserve
> and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career
training
> and employment opportunities within the construction industry."
> Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned
from
> Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not
> they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members
during
> a national state of emergency in America.
>
> "I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect
and
> trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one
> particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was
> concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of
> martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."
>
> "He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered
to
> do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.
> Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize
> the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do
so.
>
> The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and
> if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of
martial
> law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for
at
> least 15 years.
>
> Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine
questionnaire
> out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked
> 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused
to
> surrender their firearms.
>
> Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training
programs
> that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved
> around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take
them
> to internment camps.
>
> During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban
> Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens
> for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.
>
>
>
> During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate
> guns belonging to New Orleans residents.
>
> As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained
by
> the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to
> obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.
>
> Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become
> secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the
> government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property
> and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.
>
> Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a
> whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the
> story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news
> report confirmed the existence of the program.
>
>
>
> The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers
> are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well
as
> confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for
> America if these training programs ever come to fruition.
>
>
> http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5482
>
Semitism is the baton used in Germany to kill any sounds that clear the
picture of human rights violation Israel commits.
HAVE WE JOINED THE GUTLESS POLS AND ACADEMICS IN OUR COUNTRY?
AND THESE GUTLESS ACADEMICS IN NOT QUESTIONING ARE SUPPORTING THE LIES AND
PROPAGANDA SPREAD BY ZIONISTS / ISRAEL AND
SUPPORTERS WHO BY THE WAY ARE NOT EITHER LOYAL CITIZENS TO OUR WESTERN
DEMOCRACIES OR HONEST MEN/WOMEN TO SUPPORT SUCH LIES.
ACADEMICS BY THEIR SILENCE ALLOWING THESE FRAUDS TO ENJOY A GOOD LIVING ON
THESE LIES AND BY THEIR INACTION PERSECUTING HONEST ACADEMICS SIMPLY FOR
EXPOSING THE TRUTH.
Casualties in WW2
Not including the documented 5 million non Jewish in concentration camps
who far out numbered the suspected true number (700,000 ODD) of Jewish
victims. And this is without lies and exaggerations about non jewish
cassualities. And freedom for any historian or amateur history buff to
examine and point out flaws without fear of castigation or jail terms.
And no one is going around asking for special favors and sympathy because of
these immense casualities. And certainly don't look like getting anything
from jewish interests who by lies have swollen their numbers to higher than
these. AND BEGGED ALL SORTS OF FAVORS AND REPARATIONS WITH THOSE EXAGERATED
FIGURES. WHILE USING THEIR STORIES TO CAUSE AN IMMENSE SPLIT BETWEEN NON
JEWS IN EUROPE AND AMERICA.
WHILE OF COURSE QUITE FREE THEMSELVES TO ASSOCIATE WITH THEIR FELLOW JEWS IN
Germany, EUROPE AND ARAB COUNTRIES.
Soviet Union 25,568,000
China 11,324,000
Germany 7,060,000
Poland 6,850,000
Japan 1,806,000
Yugoslavia 1,700,000
Rumania 985,000
France 810,000
Austria 525,000
Italy 410,000
Great Britain 388,000
USA 295,000
Holland 250,000
Belgium 85,000
Finland 79,000
Canada 42,000
India 36,000
Australia 29,000
Albania 28,000
Spain 22,000
Bulgaria 21,000
New Zealand 12,000
Norway 10,000
South Africa 9,000
Luxembourg 5,000
Denmark 4,000
Fees for evac.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/18/lebanon.evacuation/
Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: 'Ingrates,' 'Whining,' 'Spoiled-Rotten
Little Children' Not that the right wing is heavily populated by
jews/zionists
Israel's original sin
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/Aug102005/editpage162334200589.asp
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
"At a daily rate of $8.10, hospitalized troops, including those wounded in
Iraq and Afghanistan, are being charged for their meals
http://www.antiwar.com/barganier/ba091503.html
UN urges Israel halt 'violations'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5154594.stm
GENEVA - A UN human rights expert on Wednesday criticized the United States,
European Union, Russia and the United Nations for ignoring countless Israeli
violations of human rights, international law and other standards.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/735109.html
Apparently they should be as happy as they are that their fellow israelis
are bombing them. The chickenhawks now showing their brave side.
http://pseudojournalist.blogspot.com/2006/07/americans-trapped-in-lebanon.html
The Bush administration's evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been
disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of
yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed
"two days after the first Europeans left on ships." Denmark, for example,
"evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens" by Thursday.
Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/21/right-wing-evacuees/
http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives/187407.php
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/07/americans_trapp.html
http://pseudojournalist.blogspot.com/2006/07/americans-trapped-in-lebanon.html
KILLINGS AT A BEACH PICNIC.
Lebanon
http://lebanonheartblogs.blogspot.com/2006/07/warning-strong-pictures.html
"At a daily rate of $8.10, hospitalized troops, including those wounded in
Iraq and Afghanistan, are being charged for their meals
http://www.antiwar.com/barganier/ba091503.html
UN urges Israel halt 'violations'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5154594.stm
GENEVA - A UN human rights expert on Wednesday criticized the United States,
European Union, Russia and the United Nations for ignoring countless Israeli
violations of human rights, international law and other standards.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/735109.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827/
BEIRUT, Lebanon - An Israeli bomb destroyed a U.N. observer post on the
border in southern Lebanon Tuesday, killing three observers and leaving
another feared dead,
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1947UN181.html
Resolution 181
http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm
http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html#thewall
A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" Here is a list of UN resolutions
that Israel has not complied with, far more than Iraq. Note that she has
also illegally developed nuclear weapons. Further, the situation is far
worse than would at first appear, it involves the serious distortion of the
official Security Council record by the profligate use by the United States
of its veto power. (See Table) Israel's, defiance goes back to its very
beginnings. This collection of resolutions criticizing Israel is unmatched
by the record of any other nation as Israel stands in violation of more UN
resolutions than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH.
A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" 1955-1992: *
Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid". *
Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed
fifty-six people". * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends
it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions". *
Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its
attack on Syria". Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack
on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control". *
Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967
Palestinian refugees". Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its
massive attack on Karameh in Jordan". *
Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military
parade in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in
Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250". *
Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem
as Jewish capital". *
Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant
violation". * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept
UN mission to probe occupation". *
Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport". *
Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in
Jordan". * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts
to change the status of Jerusalem". *
Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in
southern Lebanon". *
Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions
on Jerusalem". *
Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from
Lebanon". * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against
Lebanon". *
Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form
Lebanon". * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the
status of Jerusalem". * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop
attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for
repeated attacks on Lebanon". * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's
refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon". *
Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against
Lebanon". * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating
Lebanon's sovereignty". * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks
on Lebanon". *
Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from
Lebanon". * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its
withdrawal from Lebanon. * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack
of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces". *
Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva
Convention". *
Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon". *
Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in
occupied territories". *
Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program". *
Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention
in Lebanon". * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal
expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their
return". *
Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians". *
Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to
abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". *
Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are
'null and void'". * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the
strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'". *
Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re- admit two
deported Palestinian mayors". *
Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility". *
Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision
forthwith". *
Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon". *
Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon
and withdraw its troops". *
Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith
and unconditionally from Lebanon". *
Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in". *
Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon". *
Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces
in Lebanon". *
Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut". *
Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters. *
Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw". *
Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian
students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops". *
Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians. *
Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and
strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention. *
Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United
Nations and deported Palestinian civilians". *
Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian
civilians. * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing
deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for
violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount. *
Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the
United Nations. Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of
the deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores'
Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe
and immediate return. *
Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of
Palestinians. * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's
deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for there immediate return.
1993 to 1995UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12,
1995) UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)
lUNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) UNGA
Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995) UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear
Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995) UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the
Middle East (Feb 7 1995) UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb
7 1995) UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994) UNGA Res
48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993) UNGA Res 48/41 - Human
Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993) UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East
Peace Process (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle
East (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec
16 1993) UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armament (Dec 16 1993) UNGA Res
48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/124-
Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/158- Question of
Palestine (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli
Settlements (Dec 21 1993) ==========+++===========
U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (1972-2002)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
-----
Vetoes: 1972-1982 Subject Date & Meeting US Rep Casting Veto Vote Palestine:
Syrian-Lebanese Complaint. 3 power draft resolution 2/10784 9/10/1972 Bush
13-1, 1 Palestine: Examination of Middle East Situation. 8-power draft
resolution (S/10974) 7/2/1973 Scali 13-1, 0 (China not partic.) Palestine:
Egyptian-Lebanese Complaint. 5-power draft power resolution (S/11898)
12/8/1975 Moynihan 13-1, 1 Palestine: Middle East Problem, including
Palestinian question. 6- power draft resolution (S/11940) 1/26/1976 Moynihan
9-1,3 (China & Libya not partic.) Palestine: Situation in Occupied Arab
Territories. 5-power draft resolution (S/12022) 3/25/1976 Scranton 14-1,0
Palestine: Report on Committee on Rights of Palestinian People. 4- power
draft resolution (S/121119) 6/29/1976 Sherer 10-1,4 Palestine: Palestinian
Rights. Tunisian draft resolution. (S/13911) 4/30/1980 McHenry 10-1,4
Palestine: Golan Heights. Jordan draft resolution. (S/14832/Rev. 2)
1/20/1982 Kirkpatrick 9-1,5 Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories,
Jordan draft resolution (S/14943) 4/2/1982 Lichenstein 13-1,1 Palestine:
Incident at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. 4-power draft resolution
4/20/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1, 0 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. Spain draft
resolution. (S/15185) 6/8/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1,0 Palestine: Conflict in
Lebanon. France draft resolution. (S/15255/Rev. 2) 6/26/1982 Lichenstein
14-1 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. USSR draft resolution. (S/15347/Rev. 1,
as orally amended) 8/6/1982 Lichenstein 11-1,3 Palestine: Situation in
Occupied Territories, 20-power draft resolution (S/15895) 8/2/1983
Lichenstein 13-1,1 Security Council Vetoes/Negative voting 1983-present
Subject Date Vote Occupied Arab Territories: Wholesale condemnation of
Israeli settlement policies - not adopted 1983 S. Lebanon: Condemns Israeli
action in southern Lebanon. S/16732 9/6/1984 Vetoed: 13-1 (U.S.), with 1
abstention (UK) Occupied Territories: Deplores "repressive measures" by
Israel against Arab population. S/19459. 9/13/1985 Vetoed: 10-1 (U.S.), with
4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK, France) Lebanon: Condemns Israeli
practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17000. 3/12/1985 Vetoed:
11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK) Occupied
Territories: Calls upon Israel to respect Muslim holy places. S/17769/Rev. 1
1/30/1986 Vetoed: 13-1 (US), with one abstention (Thailand) Lebanon:
Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon.
S/17730/Rev. 2. 1/17/1986 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions
(Australia, Denmark, UK) Libya/Israel: Condemns Israeli interception of
Libyan plane. S/17796/Rev. 1. 2/6/1986 Vetoed: 10 -1 (US), with 4
abstentions (Australia, Denmark, France, UK) Lebanon: Draft strongly
deplored repeated Israeli attacks against Lebanese territory and other
measures and practices against the civilian population; (S/19434) 1/18/1988
vetoed 13-1 (US), with 1 abstention (UK) Lebanon: Draft condemned recent
invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and Draft condemned recent
invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and repeated a call for the
immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Lebanese territory;
(S/19868) 5/10/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored the
recent Israeli attack against Lebanese territory on 9 December 1988;
(S/20322) 12/14/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft called on
Israel to accept de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention;
(S/19466) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to
abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport
Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that
violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied
territories; (S/19780) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Strongly
deplored Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories, and
strongly deplored also Israel's continued disregard of relevant Security
Council decisions. 2/17/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories:
Condemned Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories.
6/9/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Deplored Israel's policies
and practices in the occupied territories. 11/7/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: NAM draft resolution to create a commission and send
three security council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunmen
shot down seven Palestinian workers. 5/31/1990 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East:
Confirms that the expropriation of land by Israel in East Jerusalem is
invalid and in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions and
provisions of the Fourth Geneva convention; expresses support of peace
process, including the Declaration of Principles of 9/13/1993 5/17/1995
Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East: Calls upon Israeli authorities to refrain from
all actions or measures, including settlement activities. 3/7/1997 Vetoed
14-1 (US) Middle East: Demands that Israel cease construction of the
settlement in east Jerusalem (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians
and Har Homa by Israel), as well as all the other Israeli settlement
activity in the occupied territories 3/21/1997 Vetoed 13-1,1 (US) Call for
UN Observers Force in West Bank, Gaza 3/27/2001 Vetoed 9-1 (US), with four
abstentions (Britain, France, Ireland and Norway) Condemned acts of terror,
demanded an end to violence and the establishment of a monitoring mechanism
to bring in observers. 12/15/2001 Vetoed 12-1 (US) with two abstentions
(Britain and Norway) Source: U.S. State Department
WAR CRIMES
Israel accused Friday, 3 November, 2000 - Israel has always sought to escape
responsibility for what was done in Khiam
OPENING GRAVE WOUNDS / EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI ATROCITIES DURING THE 1967 WAR
WITH EGYPT THREATENS THE COUNTRIES' FRAGILE TIES FREDERICK PAINTON REPORTED
BY AMANY RADWAN/CAIRO AND ERIC SILVER/JERUSALEM - The fury aroused in Egypt
by the apparent proof of massacres was fueled by the press, which matched
wartime photos with imaginative illustrations showing Egyptian soldiers
surrendering, being ordered to dig their graves, then being executed.
"The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list of
priorities of the ruling class. It was the foundation of the State which was
primordial in their eyes."
http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/books/miscelleneous/the-founding-myths-of-israeli-politics/part3.htm
"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
Kenyermeze.
The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
Jewish leaders.
The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
such false information and did not protest.
Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died in
German work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not.
Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hunger
caused by America's bombing of Germany and subsequent destruction of her
infrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realize
that
the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942 until
the end of the war.
That office never reported or recorded any atrocities (Several years ago
international Jewry forced the Red Cross to apologize to the Jews -
apologize for not seeing something that never happened.)
Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation
as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that
food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German
transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on
March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter
Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German
Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation
system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany
were becoming inevitable.
boo-radley
For the extemist sects probably the same thing that made numerous
Christian sects throughout history the incubator of hatred, murder
and bigotry, ignorance intolerance, hubris.
repo
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> > It doesn't sound like there can be any progress in the war against
> > terrorism without stopping the growth of radical Islam. We've only
> > seen what we call Islamic terrorism in the past 30 years. But Islam
> > has been around since Mohammed (born 571 A.D.). As D'Souza asks: 'What
> > is it about Islam that makes it an incubator of fanaticism and
> > terrorism? Why is it that now, as never before, so many people are
> > willing to kill and be killed in the name of Allah?'
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> Well you'd have to be a dickhead or brainwashed jewish supporter not to know
> by now.
>
Muslims account for over 98% of the worlds terrorism
against Hindus, Buddists, Athiests, Christians, Jews, ect..
it has nothing to do with supporting on group or another.
Why do you suppose that so many people are willing
to kill and be killed in the name of Arabs..er Allah?
*us*
repo
I disagree, maybe it's inherent evil that started it.
American Muslim leader Khalid Abdul Muhammad speaks about whites (2
minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJh_mNXPw-E
The real Islam revealed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9qRwv39YCk
Muslims in America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ
Young Talib beheads Ghulam Nabi: http://tinyurl.com/2rb2e3
Why Muslims can't leave Islam (2 min. video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1sviJ_7BQ
More on Islamists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU
Obsession - Radical Islam's War Against the West:
(best parts, 11 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76STxsWJCCE
(rest, about 80 minutes): http://europenews.dk/en/node/5811
Wafa Sultan speaks about Islam (old but good):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xohIzs6xvfE
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Judeo Christians think it is the "end times" even though it has been
the "end times" for over two thousand years so far. They think the one
and only hope is for Jesus to return and straighten everything out.
And a big part of the plan is the destroy the world. They think wars
and everything being blown up is a great thing because it means Jesus
will return soon.
Marxists were murderous lowlifes but they said religion is the opium
of the people. There obviously is some truth to that. Enemies often
have some truth in their arguments. On top of the opium there is the
Jewish propaganda started by Scofield.
Christians are great for telling what some of the problems are, such
as homosexual perversion, feminism etc. But to actually solve these
problems one should look elsewhere. Who do Christians hate the most,
first Hitler and then the Muslims. These are the two who actually
solved the problems that Christians are famous for speaking against.
Maybe the Muslims go a little overboard but they are the opposite of
liberalism. There is no way that "Brokeback Mountain" would be shown
in a Muslim country.
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
*us*
>For the extemist sects probably the same thing that made numerous
>Christian sects throughout history the incubator of hatred, murder
>and bigotry, ignorance intolerance, hubris.
Bush says God is the one telling lies through him and getting
all those innocent people maimed and killed.