American Border Patrol
Baster
Tiny Human Ferret
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It's about time.
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>Excellent URL and excellent project. I hope they use drones (robot
>surveillance planes) to patrol the border. Israel manufactures them and
>their economy has gone down the shitter since the uprising there. I want to
>look into whether they sell those drones to civilian organizations and if
>so, whether we could start a collection in this group to provide them to
>AmericanBorderPatrol. The manufacturer in Israel might sell them at cost
>just to keep their workers working and might empathise with our problem at
>the border given their intent to build a wall along the West Bank.
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If you haven't seen this Steve, check it out:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/ABP/ABPStory-Video-Links.html
About 3/4 into the vid, it goes into what ABP is planning, and gets
into the very thing you're talking about: JSTAR, etc.
earl
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> It's about time.
This is a worthwhile project that can create positive results.
Earl
Tiny Human Ferret
It's using the militia as the militia should be used, and further, it
requires no modification of the Posse Comitatus Act.
Tiny Human Ferret
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> Excellent URL and excellent project. I hope they use drones (robot
> surveillance planes) to patrol the border. Israel manufactures them and
> their economy has gone down the shitter since the uprising there. I want to
> look into whether they sell those drones to civilian organizations and if
> so, whether we could start a collection in this group to provide them to
> AmericanBorderPatrol. The manufacturer in Israel might sell them at cost
> just to keep their workers working and might empathise with our problem at
> the border given their intent to build a wall along the West Bank.
You can build them yourself, and they'll be about 99 percent as effective as
are the Israeli drones, at about 1/100th the cost.
If all you want is a mid-scale model airplane with an X-10 2.4GHz wireless
cam, range-extended with a Pringles-can YAGI antenna set, you could probably
build one for about $1000 that would not only be a perfect observation
platform for operation within a mile or two, but could also carry a
smoke-flare to assist the military or border-patrol to get quickly to the
scene.
Icon O'Clast
Excellent proposal. As the video from American Patrol showed, we spend billions
to monitor the Balkans and Afghanistan and don't patrol our own borders. You
seem to have the electronics expertise to make this work. Do you have a working
knowledge of RC airplanes? How about linking into unencrypted transmissions
from spy satellites over the U.S. - Mexican border?
Bob Vandervoort
As you may already know, David Horowitz (former 60's Leftist radical now
a conservative) runs a very brash, no-holds-barred website against Political
Correctness. He posted an article on a particularly gruesome crime that
occurred in Wichita, Kansas recently.
What I find especially interesting is that Jared Taylor's American
Renaissance group (http://www.amren.com/) is definitely a strong advocate of
immigration reform. While Horowitz takes issue with some of Jared Taylor's
positions, he acknowledges their often very valid points. Horowitz said he
"makes no apologies" for posting a piece from American Renaissance
(including a link to their site) and that "Taylor is a very intelligent and
principled man."
So I think this should be welcomed as good news, that at last the debate
is finally being opened up to a wider audience and these PC taboos about
race, immigration, crime etc. can finally be honestly addressed and talked
about.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1908
Horowitz on Fox Newsmaker Sunday
David Horowitz discusses his campus campaign and his pamphlet How the Left
Undermined America's Security.
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July 18, 2002
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Article
The Wichita Massacre
By Stephen Webster
American Renaissance | July 16, 2002
This article is taken from the August, 2002, issue of American Renaissance,
.
On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what
has become known as the Wichita Massacre. The two black men are accused of a
week-long crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four
young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. In all, the Carr
brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. They face 58 counts each,
ranging from first-degree murder, rape, and robbery to animal cruelty.
Prosecutors will seek the death penalty.
The only survivor of the massacre is a woman whose identity has been
protected, and who is known as H.G. In statements to police and in testimony
at an April 2001 preliminary hearing, the 25-year-old school teacher offered
horrible details of what happened on the night of Dec. 14, 2000. That
evening, a Thursday, H.G. went to spend the night at the home of her
boyfriend, Jason Befort. Mr. Befort, 26, a science teacher and coach at
Augusta High School, lived in a triplex condo with two college friends:
Bradley Heyka, 27, a financial analyst, and Aaron Sander, 29, who had
recently decided to study for the priesthood.
When H.G. arrived with her pet schnauzer Nikki around 8:30 p.m., her
boyfriend Mr. Befort was not there, but the two roommates were. A short time
later, Mr. Sander's former girlfriend, Heather Muller, a 25-year-old
graduate student at Wichita State University who worked as a church
preschool teacher, joined them. At about 9 p.m., H.G. went to her
boyfriend's ground-floor bedroom to grade papers and watch television. Mr.
Befort came home from coaching a basketball practice around 9:15, and at
10:00, H.G. decided to go to bed. Before joining H.G in bed, Mr. Befort made
sure all the lights in the house were turned off and all the doors were
locked. Mr. Sander was sleeping on a couch in the living room while his
former girlfriend slept in the second ground-floor bedroom. Mr. Heyka slept
in a room in the basement.
Shortly after 11 p.m., the porch light came back on, to the surprise of Mr.
Befort, who was still awake. H.G. says that seconds later she heard voices,
then shouting. Her boyfriend cried out in surprise as someone forced open
the door to the bedroom. H.G saw "a tall black male standing in the
doorway." She didn't know how the man got into the house, and police
investigators have not said how they think the Carrs got in. She says the
man, whom she later identified as Jonathan Carr, ripped the covers off the
bed. Soon, another black man brought Aaron Sander in from the living room at
gunpoint and threw him onto the bed. H.G. saw that both men were armed. She
said they wanted to know who else was in house, and the terrified whites
told them about Mr. Heyka in the basement and Miss Muller in the other
ground-floor bedroom. The intruders brought them into Mr. Befort's bedroom.
"We were told to take off all of our clothes," says H.G. in her testimony.
"They asked if we had any money. We said: 'Take our money . . . Take
whatever you want.' We didn't have any (money)."
The Carrs, however, were not at that point interested in money. They made
the victims get into a bedroom closet, and for the next hour brought them
out to a hall by a wet bar, singly or in pairs for sex. In the
closet-perhaps 12 feet away from the wet-bar area-the victims were under
orders not to talk. H.G. says that when the Carrs heard whispering they
would wave their guns and shout "Shut the fuck up."
The Carrs first brought out the two women, H.G and Heather Muller, and made
them have oral sex and penetrate each other digitally. They then forced Mr.
Heyka to have intercourse with H.G. Then they made Mr. Befort have
intercourse with H.G, but ordered him to stop when they realized he was her
boyfriend. Next, they ordered Mr. Sander to have intercourse with H.G. When
the divinity student refused, they hit him on the back of the head with a
pistol butt. They sent H.G. back to the bedroom closet and brought out Miss
Muller, Mr. Sander's old girlfriend. H.G. testified she could hear what was
going on out by the wet bar, and when Mr. Sander was unable to get an
erection one of the Carrs beat him with a golf club. Then, she says, the
Carr brothers "told [Aaron] that he had until 11:54 to get hard and they
counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54." The deadline appears to have
brought no further punishment, and Mr. Sanders was returned to the closet.
The Carrs then forced Mr. Befort to have intercourse with Heather Muller,
and then ordered Mr. Heyka to have sex with her. H.G. says she could hear
Miss Muller moaning with pain.
The Carrs asked if the victims had ATM cards. Reginald Carr then took the
victims one at a time to ATM machines in Mr. Befort's pickup truck, starting
with Mr. Heyka. While Reginald Carr was away with Mr. Heyka, Jonathan Carr
brought H.G. out of the closet to the wet bar, raped her, and sent her back
to the closet. Reginald Carr returned with Mr. Heyka, and ordered Mr. Befort
to go with him. Mr. Heyka was put back in the closet but said nothing about
his trip to the ATM machine. Mr. Sander asked Mr. Heyka if they should try
to resist, assuming they would be killed anyway, but Mr. Heyka did not
reply. While Reginald Carr was away with Mr. Befort at the cash machine,
Jonathan Carr ordered Heather Muller out of the closet and raped her.
When Reginald Carr returned with Mr. Befort, H.G. volunteered to go next.
Mr. Carr let her put on a sweater, but nothing else, and said he liked
seeing her with no underwear. He ordered her to drive the truck to a bank,
and told her not to look at him as he crouched in the back seat. "I asked
him if he was going to hurt us and he said, 'No,' " she says. "I said, 'Do
you promise you're not going to kill us?' and he said, 'Yes.' "
H.G. got money from the cash machine and adds, "On the way back, he said he
wished we could've met under different circumstances. He said I was cute,
and we probably would've hit it off." When the two got back to the house,
Reginald Carr raped H.G. and ejaculated in her mouth. Jonathan Carr raped
Miss Muller again, and then he raped H.G. one more time. Afterwards, the
intruders ransacked the house looking for money. They found a coffee can
containing an engagement ring Jason Befort had bought for his girlfriend.
"That's for you," he told H.G., "I was going to ask you to marry me." That
is how H.G. learned her boyfriend planned to propose to her the following
Friday, Dec. 22.
At one point, says H.G., Reginald Carr "said something that scared me. He
said 'Relax. I'm not going to kill you yet.' "
The Final Ride
The Carrs led the victims outside into the freezing night. At midnight it
had been 17.6 degrees, and there was snow on the ground. The Carrs let the
women wear a sweater or sweatshirt, but they were barefoot, and naked from
the waist down. The men were marched into the snow completely naked. The
Carrs tried to force all the victims into the trunk of Aaron Sander's Honda
Accord, but realized five people would not fit, and made only the men get
into the trunk. Reginald Carr ordered H.G. to join him in Mr. Befort's
truck, and Jonathan Carr drove the Accord with the three men in the trunk
and Miss Muller inside. As Mr. Carr drove her off, H.G. noted the time: It
was 2:07 a.m., three hours since the ordeal began.
After a short drive, both vehicles stopped in an empty field. Reginald Carr
ordered H.G. to go sit with Miss Muller in Mr. Sander's car. A moment later,
she saw the men line up in front of the Honda. In her testimony H.G. said,
"I turned to Heather and said, 'They're going to shoot us.' "
The Carr brothers ordered H.G. and Miss Muller out of the car. Miss Muller
stood next to Mr. Sander, her former boyfriend, while H.G. stood beside her
boyfriend, Mr. Befort. The Carrs ordered them to turn away and kneel in the
snow. "As I was kneeling, a gun shot went off," says H.G. "[Then] I heard
Aaron [Sander]. . . . I could distinguish Aaron's voice. He said, 'Please,
no sir, please.' The gun went off."
H.G. heard three shots before she was hit: "I felt the bullet hit the back
of my head. It went kind of gray with white like stars. I wasn't knocked
unconscious. I didn't fall forward. Then someone kicked me, and I had fallen
forward. I was playing dead. I didn't move. I didn't want them to shoot me
again."
As H.G. lay in the snow, the Carrs drove off in Jason Befort's pickup,
running over the victims as they left. H.G. says she felt the truck hit her
body, too.
"I waited until I couldn't hear any more," she says. "Then I turned my head
and saw lights going. I looked at everyone. Everyone was face down. Jason
[Befort] was next to me. I rolled him over. There was blood squirting
everywhere, so I took my sweater off and tied it around his head to try and
stop it. He had blood coming out of his eyes."
In the distance, H.G. saw Christmas lights. Barefoot and naked, with a
bullet wound in the head, she managed to walk more than a mile in the
freezing cold, through snow, across a field and construction site, around a
pond, and through the brush, until she reached the house with the lights.
She pounded frantically on the door and rang the doorbell until the young
married couple who lived there woke up. "Help me, help me, help me," she
pleaded. "We've all been shot. Three of my friends are dead." (At the time,
H.G. thought her boyfriend was still alive.)
The couple wrapped H.G. in blankets, and reached for the phone to dial 911,
but she would not let them call. She was afraid she would die, and wanted to
tell what had happened. She described the attackers and what they did, as
the couple listened in amazement at her courage and determination. Only when
she was sure they knew her story did she let them call the police. Still
thinking she would die, she asked them to call her mother-"Tell her I love
her"-and her boyfriend's parents. She was worried about the children she
teaches, and kept wondering "Who's going to take care of the kids in
school?"
When the police arrived they questioned H.G. briefly before paramedics took
her to the hospital. From her description of Mr. Befort's truck, they were
able to get the license plate number from the vehicle's registration
records, and put out an alert. As dawn broke, radio and television stations
were broadcasting the plate number. H.G. did not know that after the Carrs
shot her friends they drove back to the triplex and loaded Mr. Befort's
truck with everything of value they could find. They also committed their
final killing. The police found H.G.'s pet schnauzer Nikki lying in a pool
of blood on a bed, probably shot.
By 7:30 a.m., police had a report that the missing truck was outside a
downtown apartment building, and that a black man had been carrying a
television set up to one of the apartments. The police moved in to seal off
the area. Two officers knocked on the door of the apartment, and after
several minutes a white woman named Stephanie Donly opened the door. She was
Reginald Carr's girlfriend, and shared her apartment with him. Police caught
Mr. Carr as he tried to slip out a window.
The police learned from Miss Donly that Reginald's brother Jonathan was
driving a late model Plymouth Fury. Shortly after 12:00 p.m. they found the
car parked outside a house in a black part of town. Jonathan Carr was there
with his girlfriend of a few days, Tronda Green. He bolted when he saw the
police, but was caught after a short chase. Fewer than 12 hours after the
murders, Reginald and Jonathan Carr were both in custody.
Other Victims
That night's quadruple murder was only the most gruesome of a series of Carr
brother attacks. Late on the night of Dec. 7, 2000-just one week
earlier-Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old white man, stopped at a Kum and Go
convenience store in East Wichita. Reginald and Jonathan Carr forced
themselves into his car at gunpoint and made Mr. Schreiber drive to various
ATM machines and withdraw money. "I was just hoping if I did what they said,
they'd let me live," he says. The two split up, and one followed in another
car as they made him drive to a field northeast of town. There they
pistol-whipped him, dumped him out of the car, and fled in the other vehicle
after shooting out Mr. Schreiber's tires.
Four days later, the Carrs tried to hijack 55-year-old Linda Walenta's SUV
while she sat in it in the driveway of her suburban East Wichita home. The
Carrs were looking for an SUV in which to drive people at gunpoint to ATMs.
They thought they could keep their victims out of sight in a large vehicle
as they drove through town. One of the brothers approached Mrs. Walenta,
apparently asking for help of some kind. She was suspicious because she
thought a car had been following her, and rolled her window down just a
little to hear what he was saying. He stuck a gun sideways into the opening,
and shot her several times as she tried to drive away. Mrs. Walenta, a
cellist in the Wichita Symphony Orchestra, survived the shooting but was
paralyzed from the waist down. She was able to help police in their
investigation, but died of her wounds three weeks later, on January 2, 2001.
Wichita police confirmed the Carr link to all the crimes when a highway
worker found a black .380 caliber Lorcin semi-automatic handgun along Route
96, a highway near the soccer field where the massacre took place. The
Kansas state crime lab confirmed that it was the weapon used to kill Mrs.
Walenta and H.G.'s friends, and to shoot out the tires of Andrew Schreiber's
car. No one knows what other crimes the brothers may have committed, but
they certainly appeared guilty of these.
The Carr trial is scheduled to start on Sept. 9, but has been delayed by
defense maneuvering. On June 13, Judge Paul Clark denied a motion to move
the trial out of Sedgwick County. The defense cited a poll showing 74
percent of Sedgwick County residents thought the Carrs were either
"definitely guilty" or "probably guilty," and argued the brothers could not
get a fair trial in Wichita. However, no trial has been moved from Sedgwick
County in more than 40 years, and this one will stay.
The defense wanted separate trials because the lawyers for each brother will
try to blame the crimes on the other. The lawyers argued they will both be
trying to help convict the other brother, so it will be like having two
prosecutors for each defendant. Prosecutor Nola Foulston pointed out that
many people accused of committing crimes together are tried together, and
since the trial is expected to last a month and involve 70 witnesses, two
trials would be too much expense and inconvenience.
Jonathan Carr's lawyers also tried to get him declared unfit to stand trial,
but on April 8, 2002, Judge Clark reviewed the reports of two mental health
experts, and ruled him competent. The reports are under seal, so the grounds
for the motion are not known.
If the Carr brothers' lawyers do try to blame each other's client, the jury
will learn that both have long criminal records. Jonathan Carr's appears to
be under seal but at least parts of his brother's are public. In 1995,
Reginald Carr was sentenced to 13 months in prison for theft. He was also
ordered to serve six months each for aggravated assault and subverting the
legal process. In 1996, he was sentenced to 28 months on a drug charge. He
was paroled on March 28, 2000, but that November was booked for drunk
driving. A few days later he was back before a judge, charged with forgery
and parole violation. Police mistakenly let him out six months early on Dec.
5, 2000, just two days before he robbed and beat Andrew Schrei-ber, and
started his week of crime. Had police followed correct procedures Jason
Befort, Bradley Heyka, Aaron Sander, Heather Muller and Ann Wal-enta would
probably still be alive.
"Has No Bearing"
Although the perpetrators are black and all their victims white, the Wichita
police have dismissed race as a motive. Prosecutor Foulston says the Carr
brothers chose their victims at random, not because they were white, and
that the motive was robbery. "It reasonably appears that these were isolated
incidents where individuals . . .were chosen at random . . . a random act of
violence," she says. "The fact that the defendants and victims happen to be
of different races has no bearing. Let's just look at the underlying
crimes." The Wichita media consistently downplayed the racial angle.
However, as news of the crimes spread across the Internet, many people began
to wonder if the Carrs would be charged with hate crimes. In fact, it does
not appear that Mrs. Foulston or police investigators even looked for a
possible racial motive. According to the testimony of the April 2001
preliminary hearing, in which prosecutors determined whether they had enough
evidence to support charges, Mrs. Foulston never asked H.G. or Andrew
Schreiber if the brothers used racial slurs, or expressed hatred of whites.
It is true that Reginald Carr had a white girlfriend, and it may be that the
race of the victims was unimportant to him. At the same time, Jonathan Carr
wore a FUBU sweatshirt, a brand popular with black rappers that is said to
stand for "For Us, By Us." Some blacks wear FUBU clothing as a statement of
black solidarity if not outright rejection of whites.
Louis Calabro of the European American Issues Forum (EAIF) and a former San
Francisco police lieutenant, has written to Mrs. Foulston describing the
FBI's guidelines for suspecting a hate crime when perpetrator and victim are
of different races. Among them are excessive violence, a pattern of similar
attacks, and the cold-bloodedness of an execution-style killing. Combined
with the torture of forcing people naked into a freezing night, and the
degradation the Carrs put their victims through, there is ample reason at
least to suspect a racial motivation.
Of one thing we can be certain: If whites had done something this horrible
to blacks, it would be universally assumed the crime was motivated by racial
hatred. From the outset, police and prosecutors would have investigated the
friends, habits, reading matter, and life history of each defendant. If
either had ever uttered the word "nigger," had a drink with a Klansman, or
owned a copy of American Renaissance, this would be discovered and
brandished as proof of racial hatred. In the Carr case, there appears to
have been no investigation at all. Instead of searching for possible racial
animus, the authorities have simply declared there was none.
Mrs. Foulston dodges the racial question by pointing out that Kansas does
not have a hate crime statute, but the state does specify harsher penalties
for bias crimes. Given that the Carr brothers face the death penalty, this
is a moot point, but Mrs. Foulston has made no attempt to apply these
provisions.
Mrs. Foulston knows some whites are pushing for a hate crimes investigation,
and wants to keep the proceedings secret. She moved to close the court for
the preliminary hearings, saying "we'd have to let the Aryan Nations come in
here if they decided they had an interest." At one hearing, reporters heard
one of Mrs. Foulston's aides tell the judge that the press are
"interlopers," and the public has no "substantial interest" in the case.
Fortunately, Judge Clark recognizes the public's right to observe the
proceedings, and opened them to the public. He did, however, agree to Mrs.
Foulston's motion for a gag order on all lawyers, investigators and
witnesses. The order also prevents release of many records that normally
would be public, including the EMS records, the reports on Jonathan Carr's
mental competence, and records of police interviews. Mrs. Foulston says
secrecy is necessary to ensure the Carrs get a fair trial, but what is in
notes of police interviews, for example, that is so inflammatory it could
prejudice the public? Evidence of racial hatred, perhaps?
Mrs. Foulston did not ask for a gag order in the case of another quadruple
homicide in Wichita just eight days before the Carr brothers' massacre. The
DA's office says that case, in which murderers and victims were black, did
not generate nearly as many requests for public records, but in an open
society, the more interest the public shows in information the more
available it should be. Mrs. Foulston's secrecy has led critics to accuse
her of covering up evidence of racial animus. EAIF's Mr. Calabro believes
the assaults and murders "were racially motivated crimes that the DA and
city of Wichita have no interest in pursuing." Del Riley, a white Wichita
resident who has followed the case, says of his reaction to the DA's
secrecy, "I wouldn't call it outrage, but I'd call it suspicion. This gag
order upsets me."
Once again, we can be certain that if the racial cast of characters were
reversed, there would be no attempt to close the court, and the media
coverage-virtually absent in this case-would be deafening. A white-on-black
crime of this kind would be front-page news for days, and would probably
prompt official condemnation from the President and Attorney General on
down. As we know from the reaction to the murder of James Byrd, dragged to
death behind a truck, a crime of this sort committed by whites against
blacks would put the nation into an official state of near hysteria.
What if the cast had been all-white? It would still have been national news.
In 1959, drifters Dick Hickock and Perry Smith murdered the Clutter family
in Holcomb, Kansas. Like the Wichita case, it was a home invasion,
apparently motivated by robbery. Even without spectacular sexual cruelty,
the Clutter killings were front-page news and the story was immortalized in
Truman Capote's novel, In Cold Blood. Had the Wichita case involved whites
only, the heroics of H.G. alone would have ensured wide coverage. She would
have become a national hero, part of the folklore of strong womanhood.
What if perpetrators and victims had all been black? Some in the media would
have promoted the heroism of the woman who lived to tell of the crime, but
others would have stayed away from the story because such savagery reflects
badly on blacks.
When blacks commit outrages against whites, media executives not only
downplay black misbehavior but believe they must protect whites from
"negative stereotypes" about blacks. If they must report such crimes, they
are likely to link them to editorials calling for tolerance, and pointing
out that the criminals were individuals, not a race. When whites commit
outrages against blacks there are no such cautions; white society at large
is to blame.
The Carr brothers' crimes were treated to a virtual media blackout. The
Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times appear to be the only major
non-Kansas dailies ever to mention the story. Their articles briefly
described the facts of the case, and then focused on Internet discussions
among whites who thought the Carr brothers were hate criminals. The
Associated Press ran stories on the crimes, but they do not appear to have
been picked up outside of Kansas. Within the state, the media dutifully
promoted Mrs. Foulston's categorization of the crimes as "random." The
networks, of course, were silent.
Were it not for the Internet, the Wichita story would have disappeared. It
was only in chat-rooms and on web pages that the crimes had a national
audience. Several sites, such as www.NewNation.org and www.JeffsArchive.com,
have posted newspaper articles about the crimes. The main paper that covered
the case, the Wichita Eagle, stores older articles in a fee-charging
archive, so these sites are virtually the only way the public can learn
about the massacre.
It will be surprising if the trial itself gets national coverage. Kansas
permits television in courtrooms, but so far, the Court TV cable channel
shows little interest in the case despite e-mail requests to its website at
www.CourtTV.com. The Wichita Eagle will probably offer restrained
coverage.The police and media reactions to these crimes-a refusal to think
about race, draw larger conclusions, or even express outrage-are typical of
today's whites, and in stark contrast to the sustained fury we could expect
from blacks if the races were reversed.
Lets Roll
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This is just about the best news that has come down the pike in a very long
time.
I notice it is described they are only going to monitor and count illegal
border crossings. It also says they are going to monitor the activities of
the Border Patrol. This is certainly light years beyond any thing our
fearless leaders in government can muster up.
Being the eternal cynic, I wonder how long it is going to last, and how
effective it will be. The Samaritans who troll the desert in support of
illegal aliens are already looking for an excuse to have the whole thing
outlawed. The biggest problem will be getting the information they gather
some air time in mainstream news media. No matter what they discover, the
information is radioactive to any politician and we still have not made any
head way toward getting them to address the issue in public.
At the very least this is a very large step in the right direction. As long
as the mexicans are putting up those lighthouses in the middle of the desert
I guess someone should make use of them, even if it is just counting sheep.
Icon O'Clast
Who cares about the mainstream media? The real action is in usenet and with
citizen action. As they said in the '60s -- power to the people. If you wait
for the mainstream media to save your ass you'll end up like those white people
in Zimbabwe -- gunned down by some Third World person who wants what you have
and who will just take it. That's what's happening on the border and it will
happen to you unless you take the action.
Icon O'Clast
Why don't you keep the syndicated columnists out of usenet? If we want to read
the mainsteam media we'll go buy a newspaper. This is a discussion group where
real Americans can discuss issues of the day. We don't need some columnist to
tell us what to think.
Baster
I wouldn't underestimate the possibilities for this, the thing I'd
keep an eye on is the same prob every project runs into: reliable
funding. They have a better shot at developing that than most. It's
normal to be cynical, but this is like all things; to be successful
you have to find the right trak and just work it and work it. You will
make mistakes, you correct them as you go and work it even harder.
The way to deal effectively with opposition imo, as in most pol
things, is to turn their own tactics against them. ABP is doing this
right off the bat; their first action is to sue this Samaritan Patrol
for transporting illegals, which shows to me that Spencer is smart and
very serious about this. Keep them busy with their own survival,
wasting their time and money. That's how the pros do it.
JTaverner
> If all you want is a mid-scale model airplane with an X-10 2.4GHz wireless
> cam, range-extended with a Pringles-can YAGI antenna set, you could
probably
> build one for about $1000 that would not only be a perfect observation
> platform for operation within a mile or two, but could also carry a
> smoke-flare to assist the military or border-patrol to get quickly to the
> scene.
Very innovative TF! What would the max airtime be for mid-sized rc planes
these days? I assume it would be gas powered. Would that be a problem with
the flare or can it be set to ignite after being dropped from the vehicle?
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
> news:3D3CB47D...@earthops.net...
> > >
> > > "Baster" <burr...@zoidberg.net> wrote in message
> > > news:811njusg9uvm5qjjg...@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.azstarnet.com/border/20720AmericanBorderPatrol.html
> > > >
> > >
> > > Excellent URL and excellent project. I hope they use drones (robot
> > > surveillance planes) to patrol the border. Israel manufactures them and
> > > their economy has gone down the shitter since the uprising there. I want to
> > > look into whether they sell those drones to civilian organizations and if
> > > so, whether we could start a collection in this group to provide them to
> > > AmericanBorderPatrol. The manufacturer in Israel might sell them at cost
> > > just to keep their workers working and might empathise with our problem at
> > > the border given their intent to build a wall along the West Bank.
> >
> > You can build them yourself, and they'll be about 99 percent as effective as
> > are the Israeli drones, at about 1/100th the cost.
> >
> > If all you want is a mid-scale model airplane with an X-10 2.4GHz wireless
> > cam, range-extended with a Pringles-can YAGI antenna set, you could probably
> > build one for about $1000 that would not only be a perfect observation
> > platform for operation within a mile or two, but could also carry a
> > smoke-flare to assist the military or border-patrol to get quickly to the
> > scene.
>
Heh, blow the bucks for a copy of my first novel, there's plenty of ideas
there. I seem to have "arthur-c-clarked myself" out of a lot of patent
applications with that book.
All of the stuff mentioned is off-the-shelf stuff, look around at
http://www.google.com and plug in "yagi" and "pringles", "X10", and "RC" and
"airplane". You'll find buttloads of stuff all over the net.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
> > stvfrmco wrote:
> > >
> > > "Baster" <burr...@zoidberg.net> wrote in message
> > > news:811njusg9uvm5qjjg...@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.azstarnet.com/border/20720AmericanBorderPatrol.html
> > > >
> > >
> > > Excellent URL and excellent project. I hope they use drones (robot
> > > surveillance planes) to patrol the border. Israel manufactures them and
> > > their economy has gone down the shitter since the uprising there. I want to
> > > look into whether they sell those drones to civilian organizations and if
> > > so, whether we could start a collection in this group to provide them to
> > > AmericanBorderPatrol. The manufacturer in Israel might sell them at cost
> > > just to keep their workers working and might empathise with our problem at
> > > the border given their intent to build a wall along the West Bank.
> >
> > You can build them yourself, and they'll be about 99 percent as effective as
> > are the Israeli drones, at about 1/100th the cost.
> >
> > If all you want is a mid-scale model airplane with an X-10 2.4GHz wireless
> > cam, range-extended with a Pringles-can YAGI antenna set, you could probably
> > build one for about $1000 that would not only be a perfect observation
> > platform for operation within a mile or two, but could also carry a
> > smoke-flare to assist the military or border-patrol to get quickly to the
> > scene.
>
> Excellent proposal. As the video from American Patrol showed, we spend billions
> to monitor the Balkans and Afghanistan and don't patrol our own borders. You
> seem to have the electronics expertise to make this work. Do you have a working
> knowledge of RC airplanes? How about linking into unencrypted transmissions
> from spy satellites over the U.S. - Mexican border?
Heh, that's probably how the _coyotes_ get their intel on how to evade the
Border Patrol. Probably been doing it since the US shared operational and
systematic details with the Mexican General later indicted as being a
drug-smugling kingpin.
Tiny Human Ferret
PBS once broadcast a very informative special on the guy who did the
"Gossamer Albatross" which IIRC did the first human-powered airplane flight
across the English Channel. He didn't stop there, using extreme-ultralight
films and plastics, he's been able to co-develop with NASA an immense
solar-powered ultralight plane that can circle indefinitely at the edge of
space (100K feet), with a payload sufficient for serious surveillance of
ground targets.
This might be found somewhere under http://www.pbs.org/
But he didn't stop there, he developed some really spiffy toys such as a
hand-sized nearly wingless electric surveillance craft that is RC and
broadcasts standard video, but it only has about a quarter-mile range in
both flight and transmission. However, it's apparently pretty cheap to make
and can do "pop-up overflights", for instance, to see what the other side of
a hill looks like.
doubtless there are things in-between.
Personally, I like the idea of a sort of mars rover that mostly sits and
does motion-detection, etc, with ideally one o those little pop-up
overflight units on the back ready for launch to go take a photo of whatever
sets off the motion detectors. Every once in a while the mars rover --
strings of them actually -- would change locations and thus the contours of
their picket line, making them harder to detect.
charles bash
the whereabouts of immigrants illegally sneaking into this country over
our southern border. but unless there is Physical Apprehension and
Detention till somebody comes to take them away, not much will be
accomplished in reducing the overall problem.
As to the Estimated number of illegal border crossers, I have read
that the Border Patrol estimated (maybe 3 yrs ago) that 3,000 A NIGHT
illegally enter over the border in that region.. (Over a Million a
year!)
Didn't anybody see a Segment on 60 Minutes, many months ago, where
60 Minutes Reporters with Night Vision videocams actually showed Streams
of Illegals walking swiftly in the dark, along pathways in grassy or
lightly wooded areas? Continuosly!. Hordes of them walking into America
unopposed!! I believe on that same segment, it showed daytime photos of
regions were there is only a Joke of a Broken Down border fence;;;
typical of what you would see in an inland farming area;; Sturdy wooden
poles maybe 8 feet apart and maybe 5 feet high, with 3 strands of wire,
barbed wire. It was sickening to watch the easy Unopposed access for
Invasion of this Country. It is NOT that the Border Patrol can't find
Invaders galore!
There was even a recent report on this NG where 18 illegals were
rounded up (by somebody) and when they called the Border Patrol, they
were told to Release Them!! They had no Border Patrol agents to send! (
I Believe my recollection on this, is essentially correct)
Pat Buchanan recently started a Political Newsletter ( not
Necessarily anti-immigrant). But on the subject of Invasion by
Illegals, he showed a Broad Daylight photo of a steady stream of
Purported illegals walking single file, along a path, past Our Border
and on the American side, completely Unopposed.
The area appeared to be very dry, sandy, desert-like ;;; the kind of
terrain that so-called Do-Gooders install watering stations.
I don't have any idea of how this is all Going to End === But end
it Will=== and it Won't be Pretty.
Charles Bash
<<<When a New Evil Appears; at First no Checks to it Are Seen to Exist.
But Checks to it Do Exist and Will Appear >>> ===Ralph Waldo
Emerson.........(let's hope)
Baster
bash) wrote:
> It is all Good & Well to lay plans to Alert the Border Patrol as to
>the whereabouts of immigrants illegally sneaking into this country over
>our southern border. but unless there is Physical Apprehension and
>Detention till somebody comes to take them away, not much will be
>accomplished in reducing the overall problem.
[...]
The real objective on this ABP seems to be getting the ground
situation into people's faces on a daily basis over the net. That is
an effective strategy if they can do it well, get a snowball rolling.
Anything is better than talking about all this, you never know what
will develop when you get your feet into the game.
Lets Roll
"charles bash" <C6...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29012-3D...@storefull-2136.public.lawson.webtv.net...
It is all Good & Well to lay plans to Alert the Border Patrol as to
the whereabouts of immigrants illegally sneaking into this country over
our southern border. but unless there is Physical Apprehension and
Detention till somebody comes to take them away, not much will be
accomplished in reducing the overall problem.
As to the Estimated number of illegal border crossers, I have read
that the Border Patrol estimated (maybe 3 yrs ago) that 3,000 A NIGHT
illegally enter over the border in that region.. (Over a Million a
year!)
Didn't anybody see a Segment on 60 Minutes, many months ago, where
60 Minutes Reporters with Night Vision videocams actually showed Streams
of Illegals walking swiftly in the dark, along pathways in grassy or
lightly wooded areas? Continuosly!. Hordes of them walking into America
unopposed!! I believe on that same segment, it showed daytime photos of
regions were there is only a Joke of a Broken Down border fence;;;
typical of what you would see in an inland farming area;; Sturdy wooden
poles maybe 8 feet apart and maybe 5 feet high, with 3 strands of wire,
barbed wire. It was sickening to watch the easy Unopposed access for
Invasion of this Country. It is NOT that the Border Patrol can't find
Invaders galore!
There was even a recent report on this NG where 18 illegals were
rounded up (by somebody) and when they called the Border Patrol, they
were told to Release Them!! They had no Border Patrol agents to send! (
I Believe my recollection on this, is essentially correct)
It was Tulsa, OK. And that is not the only incident of releasing illegal
aliens from custody. There was another post in this NG not long ago about
illegal aliens being released in NY, I think. It might have been CT. It
happens all the time; the illegals are in custody and the INS lets them go.
They don't have the resources available to deport illegal aliens, even if
they wanted to.
<snip>
I don't have any idea of how this is all Going to End === But end
it Will=== and it Won't be Pretty.
Charles Bash
You are 100% correct about that, too. This is an extremely volatile
situation. The bonds of civility are only going to hold for so long, and
sooner or later something is going to pop loose. Either the American people
are going to go postal, or the aliens will (if even the few immigration laws
we already have are ever enforced. Remember things like the Ecoli in
Greeley after the Brock concert.Remember the town in CA where the INS was
basically thrown out of town and told to not come looking again.) There are
so many aliens in this country of so many different flavors we don't have a
clue where the next terrorist strike is going to come from. Think of Enron
when you think of the threat that we are going to be hit "when and where we
least expect it." Who would think of being hit from within korporate
amerika - Enron, Worldcom, et al. Or even our own government by outward
appearances sometimes - often IMHO.
Tensions are running high among the American people now, on many levels.
During the Depression people were jumping out of windows under fewer
tensions. They only had the crash; not the threat they would be turned into
a pile of glow in the dark dust at any moment. It isn't going to take much
more before the lid blows off the whole pot of stew. It is going to get
real ugly before it is all said and done.
JTaverner
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
news:3D3ECE06...@earthops.net...
> PBS once broadcast a very informative special on the guy who did the
> "Gossamer Albatross" which IIRC did the first human-powered airplane
flight
> across the English Channel. He didn't stop there, using extreme-ultralight
> films and plastics, he's been able to co-develop with NASA an immense
> solar-powered ultralight plane that can circle indefinitely at the edge of
> space (100K feet), with a payload sufficient for serious surveillance of
> ground targets.
>
> This might be found somewhere under http://www.pbs.org/
This was also in an article in Popular Science I believe. Last I heard it
would be deployed over large cities for wireless broadband access.
> But he didn't stop there, he developed some really spiffy toys such as a
> hand-sized nearly wingless electric surveillance craft that is RC and
> broadcasts standard video, but it only has about a quarter-mile range in
> both flight and transmission. However, it's apparently pretty cheap to
make
> and can do "pop-up overflights", for instance, to see what the other side
of
> a hill looks like.
>
> doubtless there are things in-between.
How about a tethered helium weather-baloon carrying a remote controlled
infra-red camera? The power and video cables would be run up the teather (or
braided so they effectively become one), and it's point of origin would be a
pickup truck with monitors and camera controlling equipment. Power for the
unit could be directly supplied up the teather and to the controls from the
vehicle. Vanes would keep the baloon's facing relatively constant, while a
small motorized turret-like pod hanging beneith the baloon would enable the
camera to swing it's view about.
It's the equivelent of a mobile 500'+ observation tower and not all that
potentially expensive. Perhaps the rc planes you've previously mentioned
could be used to drop flares over intruders spotted from the baloon.
> Personally, I like the idea of a sort of mars rover that mostly sits and
> does motion-detection, etc, with ideally one o those little pop-up
> overflight units on the back ready for launch to go take a photo of
whatever
> sets off the motion detectors. Every once in a while the mars rover --
> strings of them actually -- would change locations and thus the contours
of
> their picket line, making them harder to detect.
They'd have to be camoflage, cheap, or dagerous to discourage theft, but the
passivity of the system is a great quality. Of course, when the system
notifies the border patrol nothing will be done anyway.
Perhaps a better option is to put in place large-scale space microwave
recievers densly around the boarder. The systems would recieve constant life
threatening microwave power beamed from orbital solar power stations.
Immigrants passing through the fields would probably be slowed down by the
large doses of radiation, and easier