"California has 150,000 gang members and 3,700 street gangs ..."
-- The Los Angeles Times
-------------------------------------------
The Most Dangerous American States
March 29, 2007
CNNMoney.com
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerous-American-States
Disheartening, isn't it... a clear and present danger exists..
And yet the liberal political wing answers with profound silence..
Even as the nation destroying neocons, manipulating the so-called
right wing, also answers with silence...
Or disguised amnesty.
Thousands of US citizens killed and victimized, Billions in deficit
tax money wasted on processing and jailing alien invaders that
shouldn't be in this country anyway, and..
Silence.
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:56:12 -0700, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer <guybann...@aol.com>
wrote:
> "In a study of a sample group of 55,000 criminal aliens, it was
>discovered they accounted for over 400,000 arrests and more than 700,000
>criminal acts including felonies. In Los Angeles, the city that's hosting
>the protest (3/26/06) -- which was whole-heartedly endorsed by its mayor --
>95% of the outstanding arrest warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens
>and 65% of all felony warrants are for so-called undocumented immigrants.
>Are they committing the crimes Americans won't commit?" (Jim
>Kouri/TheRealityCheck.org 3/27/06 excerpt 'The Illegal Immigration Reform
>Scam')
>
>"California has 150,000 gang members and 3,700 street gangs ..."
>
> -- The Los Angeles Times
>-------------------------------------------
>http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerous-American-States
Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs
recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now
comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are
on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American
dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work....Maggott
> "In a study of a sample group of 55,000 <undocumented guest workers>, it was discovered they accounted for over 400,000 arrests and more than 700,000 criminal acts including felonies.
Yeah but they help the economy. Like if you worked in a spray paint
factory, look how busy you'd be. You make millions of cans of spray
paint. You ship it to Home Depot and Wal-Mart. Then the un-
documented guest workers come in and steal it and go out and decorate
our bridges and buildings real nice. Then Wal-Mart calls the paint
factory and orders more spray paint.
That's exactly right, as bizarre as it sounds.
Moreover, gangs, rampant illegal alien criminality, parasitic
illegals on welfare and Food Stamps etc. provide millions of jobs for
regular cops (AND increased openings for $police chiefs$); bureaucrats
and welfare office staff; banks; supermarket checkers (AND $managers
$); teachers (AND school $administrators$ and so on.
It reminds me of the argument that goes, "Hurricane So-and-So" was
not so bad -- in its aftermath lots of people got jobs doing cleanup
and construction." Based on that "logic" presumably we should pray for
daily natural disasters.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_05.html
The fact illegals contribute disproportionately to crime only
demonstrates just how far advanced the people of California are
compared to their southern counterparts, as California has a far lower
murder rate, even with the tremendous impact of this invading force of
illegal allien criminals.
But, to your greater argument, I would love to see how low California
murder rate would go if we got rid of the illegals. The SAT stat's
would also show a huge surge.
> CNNMoney.comhttp://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102714/The-Most-Dangerou...
Come in? They WORK there!
>On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:18:10 -0500, "Server 13"
><i...@casual.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><truth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1175461753.3...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Mar 31, 10:56 pm, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer <guybanniste...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "In a study of a sample group of 55,000 <undocumented guest workers>,
>>>> it was discovered they accounted for over 400,000 arrests and more than
>>>> 700,000 criminal acts including felonies.
>>>
>>> Yeah but they help the economy. Like if you worked in a spray paint
>>> factory, look how busy you'd be. You make millions of cans of spray
>>> paint. You ship it to Home Depot and Wal-Mart. Then the un-
>>> documented guest workers come in and steal it
>>
>> Come in? They WORK there!
>
>They also, using fake SS cards (sometimes up to 50 with
>the same number), contribute millions into the SS fund
>that will never be drawn out.
>
>They pay the same taxes on goods and services as the
>other 90% of health care users who are white, fund the
>schools at the same rate as citizens, and generally pay
>taxes in the same amount as any citizen who pays taxes.
That is not correct, you are assuming things.
Actually what he's saying is exactly right. I lived and worked with
Mexicans for years in Phoenix, and what he said is what I saw.
Most wets pay Uncle Sugar in every paycheck, but can't file taxes, for
obvious reasons. Now you Reichbots want to stop them from using
services they clearly pay for, much more than a similarly situated
citizen, of whatever color.
Best thing is to actively assimilate them, and make them citizens. That
would created a level playing field and single pay scale in one motion.
But you won't hear of that, eh Fascist? It wouldn't destroy the middle
class fast enough.
You are, seriously, the kookiest kook who posts here at present,
Defendario.
Reichbots, Facists, all this imagery spinning around inside the top of
yer pointy hed. A squeaky carousel, going 'round and 'round and
'round, flashes, glimpses, of old grainy brown imagery...
"ein! zwei!"
armies of reichbots high stepping boots down the boulevard
"drei! vier!"
and another, and another...
Look at that nose on that one, he looks like a fucking old witch!
WTF he's smiling at me! Wait a minute... That's not a uniform.
That's a nun's outfit!
Defendario, those aren't Reichbots you're seeing, that's a Gay Pride
Parade, marching down the Market Street of your greasy mind.
Anyway so far as Illegals go, your "observations" and ignorant
prejudice in their favor are not of much value here. They simply do
not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs. Look up
that phrase, Bizarrio. Yes, I have "cites", many cites and more cites
besides. It's not hard to come by them, as it is simply the truth.
Everything I say about them is true. Most of the bad things said about
them by the general public for that matter are substantially true.
Those that file federal taxes fall below the zero line due to all
their little dependants. Then they add on an Earned Income Credit
claim to the 1040, and get checks back for money didn't even pay in.
Taxes they honestly pay... because they cannot avoid doing so, there
are state/local sales taxes. That must be what you're thinking of,
Bizarrio. But again, they have these large families and don't earn
very much in proportion to their headcount, so the taxes don't cover
the whiteman-style social services they chug down. It just gets worse
and worse, because it has to.
They ruin schooling as well, as that is paid for through property
taxes, and so indirectly through the rent they pay. But as we all know
they have a lot of people living in these dwellings compared to the
Americans they were built for, including a lot of children, and so
again... they don't pay for what the American Standard of public
services costs. And so it goes to hell, just as it is doing, because
it has to.
It appears you don't understand Supply & Demand, even though it shapes
your own life every day and in every way. That's perty fuckin' stupid
if you ask me. It doesn't actually matter if I "level the field" by
making them citizens, the thing that controls the wages offered to
them and to the rest of us, is simply the availability of labor: How
many laborers there are available who can do that job. You have to
have fewer of them, or everyone is fucked. Bad! Except a few rich
guys. Just like it is in the country they are escaping from. There
just isn't any way around it, it isn't a multiple-choice in these kind
of things. And that is why we argue what we do around here, you
fucking miniscule-brained bizarro.
Because I speak the truth to you fuknobs? Must be.
> Reichbots, Facists, all this imagery spinning around inside the top of
> yer pointy hed. A squeaky carousel, going 'round and 'round and
> 'round, flashes, glimpses, of old grainy brown imagery...
>
> "ein! zwei!"
>
> armies of reichbots high stepping boots down the boulevard
>
> "drei! vier!"
>
> and another, and another...
>
> Look at that nose on that one, he looks like a fucking old witch!
>
> WTF he's smiling at me! Wait a minute... That's not a uniform.
>
> That's a nun's outfit!
>
And you call me a kook, as you post your Reichwing masturbatory
fantasies? LOL, what a maroon!
:-D
> Defendario, those aren't Reichbots you're seeing, that's a Gay Pride
> Parade, marching down the Market Street of your greasy mind.
>
A homophobe to boot. Well, most Reichtards being closeted and all...
;-)
>
> Anyway so far as Illegals go, your "observations" and ignorant
> prejudice in their favor are not of much value here. They simply do
> not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs.
That's garbage. More funding for services is what's needed. You
Fascists have hundreds of billions for war, and nothing for schools and
hospitals. Such humanitarians, already!
> Look up
> that phrase, Bizarrio. Yes, I have "cites", many cites and more cites
> besides. It's not hard to come by them, as it is simply the truth.
According to the Grover Norquist gospel, or the Klan?
> Everything I say about them is true. Most of the bad things said about
> them by the general public for that matter are substantially true.
>
You're a bigot, who believes the racist lies and hatred spewed by his
cryptofascist heroes. You aren't an American. You don't understand the
first thing about America, which is that it is a Land of Opportunity, a
chance to begin anew in a new world. Everyone except the Redmen came
from elsewhere, and if you go back far enough, those intrepid souls did
too. Your lack of comprehension and perspective is astounding.
> Those that file federal taxes fall below the zero line due to all
> their little dependants. Then they add on an Earned Income Credit
> claim to the 1040, and get checks back for money didn't even pay in.
>
So you want the poor Mexican families to be more deprived than ever.
Figures. Make sure to give a bigger tax cut to the wealthiest, while
your robbing the poor. Reverse Robin Hood Repuglicanism.
> Taxes they honestly pay... because they cannot avoid doing so, there
> are state/local sales taxes. That must be what you're thinking of,
> Bizarrio.
Those too. But hardly every wet has dependants listed on their returns.
Most of them just send cash home, where it gets spent.
> But again, they have these large families and don't earn
> very much in proportion to their headcount, so the taxes don't cover
> the whiteman-style social services they chug down. It just gets worse
> and worse, because it has to.
>
You want to deny services to large families who are poor. How about
those big assed Mormon tribes, or inner city blacks? What about the
services gobbled up by white cracker hillbillies who never did an honest
lick of work in their miserable trailer dwelling lives, for generations
running?
LOL, but you don't fool me, Steely. You're just a garden variety racist
bigot. You hate Mexicans because they are not white enough (in your
mind) and don't speak your mongrel language. You are fearful, and
xenophobic. You represent the worst that humanity offers, and I should
pity you, but I don't.
Go polish your Sam Browne belt, and launder your sheets, conservadolt.
You are a dupe, who doesn't understand that your own 'Pug party has had
years to cut the flow of immigrants, but haven't and don't even want to.
They see cheap labor as a blessing, and love it, while yahoos like you
moan about "illegals" Whatta maroon!
:-)
> They ruin schooling as well, as that is paid for through property
> taxes, and so indirectly through the rent they pay.
What's your solution? No school for Mexican kids, even if they're
citizens? Dumbass, your schools suck because 'Pugs defunded them.
Bushler's NCLB garbage destroyed the schools, not Mexicans.
> But as we all know
> they have a lot of people living in these dwellings compared to the
> Americans they were built for, including a lot of children, and so
> again... they don't pay for what the American Standard of public
> services costs. And so it goes to hell, just as it is doing, because
> it has to.
>
Legalize them, so that they can unionize and make more money. Don't
bitch when food and housing costs go up.
> It appears you don't understand Supply & Demand, even though it shapes
> your own life every day and in every way.
Patronizing stupid shit dribbles from your lips. I'll have none of it.
I am smarter than you, and likely better than you in every way.
Go Fuck Yourself, and moan about how it's a Mexicans fault.
<REMAINDER OF DRIZZLING SHIT WIPED>
What, you didn't like my funny peek into that thing you call your
mind? <sigh> You're so mean to the people here. Watch out or one of
the Sisters of Eternal Debauchery is going to become coarse with you.
>
>>
>> Anyway so far as Illegals go, your "observations" and ignorant
>> prejudice in their favor are not of much value here. They simply do
>> not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs.
>
>That's garbage. More funding for services is what's needed. You
>Fascists have hundreds of billions for war, and nothing for schools and
>hospitals. Such humanitarians, already!
I'm not into Bush's war. Put your shit-stained finger up and ask the
anti-Illegals people here how many of them support spending on his
war. So then... what the hell are you even talking about there, ya
hallucinatory KOOK-A-DOODLE-DOO!
And what is it supposed to mean: "More funding for services is what's
needed", when directly following my statement that they _simply do
not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs_. Are you
daft or are you getting that stuff from your fingers stuffed into your
ears?
>
>> Look up
>> that phrase, Bizarrio. Yes, I have "cites", many cites and more cites
>> besides. It's not hard to come by them, as it is simply the truth.
>
>According to the Grover Norquist gospel, or the Klan?
How about the Pew Hispanic Center and basically everyone else who does
the arithmetic. Kook-a-doodle-do!
>
>> Everything I say about them is true. Most of the bad things said about
>> them by the general public for that matter are substantially true.
>>
>
>You're a bigot, who believes the racist lies and hatred spewed by his
>cryptofascist heroes. You aren't an American. You don't understand the
>first thing about America, which is that it is a Land of Opportunity, a
>chance to begin anew in a new world. Everyone except the Redmen came
>from elsewhere, and if you go back far enough, those intrepid souls did
>too. Your lack of comprehension and perspective is astounding.
The "Redman"? What the fuck are you talking about with that, ya little
tenderfoot libboy? I grew up around Indians, the mother of my kids is
mostly Indian. You want to pretend that you are some kind of friend to
them and I am not? The Indian friends I used to run with growing up
would knock you on your pimply white butt and leave a beer-bottle
broke in it if you went squawking your words about "Redmen". You are a
mealy-mouth Punk, even to the people you think you are
defend-ario-ing. Cheese, what a piece of work you are, no wonder you
need to relate to another race, white people are embarrased by the
existance of someone like you and the chicks defintely ain't wanting
any.
>
>> Those that file federal taxes fall below the zero line due to all
>> their little dependants. Then they add on an Earned Income Credit
>> claim to the 1040, and get checks back for money didn't even pay in.
>>
>
>So you want the poor Mexican families to be more deprived than ever.
You were claiming they pay taxes like everyone else, so what's your
answer, run-away Ricky Racer? It's so trivially easy to bust you, ya
little clown, as you don't know A THING of what you are talking about,
not a thing, you don't even know the people you are defend-ario-ing.
Defendario, in comparison to you, the local Reichbots are learned
Scholars & Gentlemen.
>
>Figures. Make sure to give a bigger tax cut to the wealthiest, while
>your robbing the poor. Reverse Robin Hood Repuglicanism.
>
>> Taxes they honestly pay... because they cannot avoid doing so, there
>> are state/local sales taxes. That must be what you're thinking of,
>> Bizarrio.
>
>Those too. But hardly every wet has dependants listed on their returns.
> Most of them just send cash home, where it gets spent.
So, you don't even know what a federal tax return and claimed
dependants are? Good thing we have a Universal Ignoramus like yourself
online here to teach & inform us
>
>> But again, they have these large families and don't earn
>> very much in proportion to their headcount, so the taxes don't cover
>> the whiteman-style social services they chug down. It just gets worse
>> and worse, because it has to.
>>
>
>You want to deny services to large families who are poor. How about
>those big assed Mormon tribes, or inner city blacks? What about the
>services gobbled up by white cracker hillbillies who never did an honest
>lick of work in their miserable trailer dwelling lives, for generations
>running?
Deny sevices? It's not a matter of denying services, you imbecilic
little turd. When Defendario the Unsightly goes to the 7-11 to buy a
Hustler and a Slurpee, and he's only got $1.85 in his pocket, he ain't
leaving with what he came for. Because if the store gave it to you and
others for $1.85, they would be unable to purchase more to sell.
>
>LOL, but you don't fool me, Steely. You're just a garden variety racist
>bigot. You hate Mexicans because they are not white enough (in your
>mind) and don't speak your mongrel language. You are fearful, and
>xenophobic. You represent the worst that humanity offers, and I should
>pity you, but I don't.
>
>Go polish your Sam Browne belt, and launder your sheets, conservadolt.
>You are a dupe, who doesn't understand that your own 'Pug party has had
>years to cut the flow of immigrants, but haven't and don't even want to.
> They see cheap labor as a blessing, and love it, while yahoos like you
>moan about "illegals" Whatta maroon!
>:-)
>
>> They ruin schooling as well, as that is paid for through property
>> taxes, and so indirectly through the rent they pay.
>
>What's your solution? No school for Mexican kids, even if they're
>citizens? Dumbass, your schools suck because 'Pugs defunded them.
>Bushler's NCLB garbage destroyed the schools, not Mexicans.
Yeah, that's it. You got it figered out fer sure. It's the Pugs. Not
the Dims. Plus all that NBA garbage. Or what was I saying uhhhh..
>
>> But as we all know
>> they have a lot of people living in these dwellings compared to the
>> Americans they were built for, including a lot of children, and so
>> again... they don't pay for what the American Standard of public
>> services costs. And so it goes to hell, just as it is doing, because
>> it has to.
>>
>
>Legalize them, so that they can unionize and make more money. Don't
>bitch when food and housing costs go up.
>
>> It appears you don't understand Supply & Demand, even though it shapes
>> your own life every day and in every way.
>
>Patronizing stupid shit dribbles from your lips. I'll have none of it.
> I am smarter than you, and likely better than you in every way.
Yuk. You are smarter than no one in a 100-terabyte vicinity, let alone
me ;) Fuckin A, gringogirl is probably smarter than you.
Woo. I'm so skeerd my pants are brown.
;-)
>>> Anyway so far as Illegals go, your "observations" and ignorant
>>> prejudice in their favor are not of much value here. They simply do
>>> not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs.
>> That's garbage. More funding for services is what's needed. You
>> Fascists have hundreds of billions for war, and nothing for schools and
>> hospitals. Such humanitarians, already!
>
> I'm not into Bush's war.
Good. Support increased funding for essential services.
> And what is it supposed to mean: "More funding for services is what's
> needed", when directly following my statement that they _simply do
> not earn enough on average to pay for their socialized costs_. Are you
> daft or are you getting that stuff from your fingers stuffed into your
> ears?
>
Poor citizens get services, even if they don't work at all. You want to
deny services based on national origin. That makes you a fascist,
scapegoating the Mexican workers.
The problem with health care and schools is a lack of funding, not overuse.
>>> Look up
>>> that phrase, Bizarrio. Yes, I have "cites", many cites and more cites
>>> besides. It's not hard to come by them, as it is simply the truth.
>> According to the Grover Norquist gospel, or the Klan?
>
> How about the Pew Hispanic Center and basically everyone else who does
> the arithmetic. Kook-a-doodle-do!
>
WTF does the Pew Center have to do with my contention that money spent
on the war would solve the health care and education problems you
Reichtards like to bitch about?
Face it Steely. You're a bigot. You're an unAmerican POS
>>> Everything I say about them is true. Most of the bad things said about
>>> them by the general public for that matter are substantially true.
>>>
>> You're a bigot, who believes the racist lies and hatred spewed by his
>> cryptofascist heroes. You aren't an American. You don't understand the
>> first thing about America, which is that it is a Land of Opportunity, a
>> chance to begin anew in a new world. Everyone except the Redmen came
>>from elsewhere, and if you go back far enough, those intrepid souls did
>> too. Your lack of comprehension and perspective is astounding.
>
> The "Redman"?
Yes. Even they were Asiatic immigrants.
<REMAINDER OF FROTHING BABBLE BINNED TO SAVE EMBARRASSMENT>
>
>>> Those that file federal taxes fall below the zero line due to all
>>> their little dependants. Then they add on an Earned Income Credit
>>> claim to the 1040, and get checks back for money didn't even pay in.
>>>
>> So you want the poor Mexican families to be more deprived than ever.
>
> You were claiming they pay taxes like everyone else, so what's your
> answer, run-away Ricky Racer?
Yes. They pay more than their fair share, and you want to deprive them
further. You make me puke.
<DROOL WIPED>
>> Figures. Make sure to give a bigger tax cut to the wealthiest, while
>> your robbing the poor. Reverse Robin Hood Repuglicanism.
>>
No comment, smart-aSS? Figures.
>>> Taxes they honestly pay... because they cannot avoid doing so, there
>>> are state/local sales taxes. That must be what you're thinking of,
>>> Bizarrio.
>> Those too. But hardly every wet has dependants listed on their returns.
>> Most of them just send cash home, where it gets spent.
>
> So, you don't even know what a federal tax return and claimed
> dependants are?
That's a flat out stupid accusation. You have severe reading
comprehension difficulties.
>>> But again, they have these large families and don't earn
>>> very much in proportion to their headcount, so the taxes don't cover
>>> the whiteman-style social services they chug down. It just gets worse
>>> and worse, because it has to.
>>>
>> You want to deny services to large families who are poor. How about
>> those big assed Mormon tribes, or inner city blacks? What about the
>> services gobbled up by white cracker hillbillies who never did an honest
>> lick of work in their miserable trailer dwelling lives, for generations
>> running?
>
> Deny sevices?
Yeah. That's the upshot of your bellyaching about Mexicans and other
Undocs using services, including the essential health care and education
which make life livable, even for trailer trash aSSholes like you.
>> LOL, but you don't fool me, Steely. You're just a garden variety racist
>> bigot. You hate Mexicans because they are not white enough (in your
>> mind) and don't speak your mongrel language. You are fearful, and
>> xenophobic. You represent the worst that humanity offers, and I should
>> pity you, but I don't.
>>
>> Go polish your Sam Browne belt, and launder your sheets, conservadolt.
>> You are a dupe, who doesn't understand that your own 'Pug party has had
>> years to cut the flow of immigrants, but haven't and don't even want to.
>> They see cheap labor as a blessing, and love it, while yahoos like you
>> moan about "illegals" Whatta maroon!
>> :-)
>>
<EMPHASIS>
>>> They ruin schooling as well, as that is paid for through property
>>> taxes, and so indirectly through the rent they pay.
>> What's your solution? No school for Mexican kids, even if they're
>> citizens? Dumbass, your schools suck because 'Pugs defunded them.
>> Bushler's NCLB garbage destroyed the schools, not Mexicans.
>
> Yeah, that's it. You got it figered out fer sure. It's the Pugs.
Yep. The destruction of Public Education has been a Repuke goal for as
long as I can remember. Vouchers, anyone?
;-)
>>> But as we all know
>>> they have a lot of people living in these dwellings compared to the
>>> Americans they were built for, including a lot of children, and so
>>> again... they don't pay for what the American Standard of public
>>> services costs. And so it goes to hell, just as it is doing, because
>>> it has to.
>>>
>> Legalize them, so that they can unionize and make more money. Don't
>> bitch when food and housing costs go up.
>>
>>> It appears you don't understand Supply & Demand, even though it shapes
>>> your own life every day and in every way.
>> Patronizing stupid shit dribbles from your lips. I'll have none of it.
>> I am smarter than you, and likely better than you in every way.
>
> Yuk. You are smarter than no one in a 100-terabyte vicinity, let alone
> me ;) Fuckin A, gringogirl is probably smarter than you.
>
Your worthless opinion is noted and filed.
If you're so smart, how come I just kicked your (_!_) in?