Barak Hussein Obama dual citizenship & has not denounced his Kenyan citizenship
repo
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
(CHICAGO)(February 8, 2007) Chicago-based Internet journalist,
broadcaster and critic Andy Martin will hold a news conference Friday,
February 9th at 11:00 A.M. to announce that U. S. Senator Barack Obama
is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the
Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced
his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
“For our ‘Obama Week’ leading up to Barry O’s announcement on Saturday
that he feels qualified to lead the free world,
ContrarianCommentary.com unleashed a worldwide team of constitutional
law experts to delve into Kenyan law and the question of Obama’s
citizenship. They were also participating in our CIA-style
psychological profile of Obama that will be released Saturday in
Chicago. And what we discovered was amazing, a political blockbuster,”
says Executive Editor Andy Martin.
“Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan
citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan
citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own
dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows,
because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan
nationality.
cake_and_...@yahoo.com
> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
Too bad, for you and your neocon friends, anyway, that Obama is
running for the
Presidency of the United States, and not Kenya.
Nice try though... I know you had all your neocon, obstructionist,
infidel,
chickenshit repugliKKKKan friends on the edges of their chairs for
awhile.
Tartarus
> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
>
> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
"renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
Tartarus
Frank Arthur
a liar and a fraud.
In fact Barack Obama is American born and is an American citizen by
birth.
Made up story by "spineless liar and a fraud"
br...@pobox.com
More yapping from a gutless left wing parasite who has spent his life
hiding behind the very people that he denigrates. Nothing wrong with
that child that having to stand on his own two feet for a change
wouldn't cure.
Frank Arthur
<cake_and_...@yahoo.com>
Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
them?
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
You have to understand that "repo" is simply another sock puppet of
the MEXICAN CRIMINAL PISS-ON, and is not particularly literate in
English. His real purpose is to divert attention from his fellow
criminal trash that stream over our southern border.
Don Gabacho
> <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> them?
It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
holding a public trust must not only be free of but also shun.
That's the law.
Don Gabacho
> On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> Tartarus
It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
potential of.
It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
Justin Case
Leftist don't think the laws apply to them.
charles q
> Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> them?
That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
repo
http://www.usafricaonline.com/chido.obama08houston.html
A poster on Larry Sinclair’s blog has provided the following
interpretation of whether Obama meets the citizenship status
to be president:
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to
the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between
“December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office
requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S.
Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he
was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates:
“…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth,
that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten
years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack
Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18
when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen
for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a
territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years
**prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t
matter *after* .
In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic
U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his
mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18
in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years
old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a
natural-born citizen.
As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was
not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother
would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen
parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then,
that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of
President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10,
all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who
needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on
August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further,
Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to
protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in
Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about
how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led
to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of
U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very
insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without
being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay
tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will
be leaking through over the next several days…”
psyber_o...@yahoo.com
> The spineless coward hiding behind <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com> is
> a liar and a fraud.
>
> In fact Barack Obama is American born and is an American citizen by
> birth.
>
> Made up story by "spineless liar and a fraud"
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ummmm.... reading the post you are currently responding to, Frank,
made a very veiled reference to the dual citizenry of Barack Obama,
but apparently it was over your head.
Even the thread started off, FFS, making a reference to his dual
citizenship. The OP indicated that Kenya has indicated that Obama has
Kenyan citizenship. The OP also made the statement, and I directly
quote "He is also a U. S. Citizen.".
Soooo, Frank... why the hate? Especially from you, Frank - a man who
says there are so many hate groups in the world, and that they should
not be allowed to exist. The author who you responded to here said
nothing hateful, but you certainly did, Frank. You off your meds
again?
psyber_o...@yahoo.com
> <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> them?
Such a hypocrite you are Frank. You say you dislike hate groups, and
say they should not be allowed to exist. But you certainly have come
out to be much the hater against 'cake_and_...@yahoo.com'.
Well, Frank, would you like some vanilla ice cream to go along with
your cake and eat it too?
fargo116
He's not like wetbacks like you, Don. He didn't sneak over here
illegally. He was born here.
S. Olson
free....@gmail.com
Hell I did not know that gay Moslims had to be citizens of any
country. And his wife being a communist and all. I also read
somewhere that he was an Air Force pilot in Viet Nam but they can't
find his military records.
psyber_o...@yahoo.com
So, by your understanding, Charles Q, and a very narrow one at that,
George Washington had a conflict of interest? Think about it,
Charles, BEFORE you answer.
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
>On Aug 13, 5:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
>> > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
>> > them?
>>
>> That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
>> thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
Sorry, shit for brains. Apples and oranges. Even the Constitution
covers that situation.
psyber_o...@yahoo.com
> On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> Tartarus
well, the neocons here are trying to say it is some kind of 'conflict
of interest' for Obama to have dual citizenship. to further break it
down, they are trying to say that Obama would do special things for
Kenya. as much as those lying, nasty, nazi neocons want to put off
'being a conspiracy wacko' to be a liberal value and trait, here they
are, bellying up to the bar and trough, to fill their sinful guts.
there is absolutely no evidence that Obama would do anything more
favorable for Kenya than he would any other country. there IS
evidence a'plenty that John McCain would do things to help the
companies involved in the sales of the military complex - as evidenced
by his saying that the US needs to have a presence in Iraq for 100
years. heck, even GWBush, failed politician he is, said it needed to
be 50.
"physician, heal thyself first, before you try to heal anyone else"
applies to all those emptyheaded, nasty, selfish, piggish, paranoid,
bigoted, racist, sexist, nazi neocons.
psyber_o...@yahoo.com
yes, mccain HAS hidden his personal information well, hasn't he?
repo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
http://www.hubdub.com/m9087/When_will_Barack_Obama_release_his_birth_certificate
Al Nakba
> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
he is the obamination of desolation..
Don Gabacho
wrote:
> On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>>
>>> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>>
>> Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
>> "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>>
>> Tartarus
>
> well, the neocons here are trying to say it is some kind of 'conflict
> of interest'...
I'm not a "neo-con."
> for Obama to have dual citizenship. to further break it
> down, they are trying to say that Obama would do special things for
> Kenya.
No I am not. It's not a matter of what he might do or not for Kenya.
It's a matter of the the precendent it would set that persons can be of any
"dual nationality" and be President of the U.S.A.
> ... as much as those lying, nasty, nazi neocons want to put off
> 'being a conspiracy wacko' to be a liberal value and trait, here they
> are, bellying up to the bar and trough, to fill their sinful guts.
>
> there is absolutely no evidence that Obama would do anything more
> favorable for Kenya than he would any other country....
No "evidence required." The mere potential for "conflict of interest"
suffices.
>... there IS
> evidence a'plenty that John McCain would do things to help the
> companies involved in the sales of the military complex -
Then disqualify him. Simple.
> ...as evidenced
> by his saying that the US needs to have a presence in Iraq for 100
> years. heck, even GWBush, failed politician he is, said it needed to
> be 50.
That's not "evidence."
> ..."physician, heal thyself first, before you try to heal anyone else"
Who is trying to "heal" Obama?
Certainly not Obama.
> applies to all those emptyheaded, nasty, selfish, piggish, paranoid,
> bigoted, racist, sexist, nazi neocons.
I put McCain in the bottom of the barrel.
It matters not that Obama is Obama or McCain is McCain moron.
What matters is the precedent that would be set by 'anyone' of "dual
citizenship" holding any public trust in the U.S.A. much less the
Presidency of the U.S.A..
The preservation of the precept dthat disallows anyone from holding any
position of the public trust compromised by even the potential for
"conflict of interest" is more far more important than anyone who wants to
be President.
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
>On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>>
>> > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>>
>> Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
>> "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>>
>> Tartarus
>
>well, the neocons here are trying to say it is some kind of 'conflict
>of interest' for Obama to have dual citizenship. to further break it
>down, they are trying to say that Obama would do special things for
>Kenya. as much as those lying, nasty, nazi neocons want to put off
>'being a conspiracy wacko' to be a liberal value and trait, here they
>are, bellying up to the bar and trough, to fill their sinful guts.
>
>there is absolutely no evidence that Obama would do anything more
>favorable for Kenya than he would any other country. there IS
>evidence a'plenty that John McCain would do things to help the
>companies involved in the sales of the military complex - as evidenced
>by his saying that the US needs to have a presence in Iraq for 100
>years. heck, even GWBush, failed politician he is, said it needed to
>be 50.
More unsupported bullshit from yet another yowling left wing parasite.
Blackwater
>On Aug 13, 4:17=A0pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.co=
>m/main/columns/read.html?col=3D731
>>
>> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>>
>> (CHICAGO)(February 8, 2007) Chicago-based Internet journalist,
>> broadcaster and critic Andy Martin will hold a news conference Friday,
>> February 9th at 11:00 A.M. to announce that U. S. Senator Barack Obama
>> is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the
>> Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced
>> his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
>>
>> =93For our =91Obama Week=92 leading up to Barry O=92s announcement on Sat=
>urday
>> that he feels qualified to lead the free world,
>> ContrarianCommentary.com unleashed a worldwide team of constitutional
>> law experts to delve into Kenyan law and the question of Obama=92s
>> citizenship. They were also participating in our CIA-style
>> psychological profile of Obama that will be released Saturday in
>> Chicago. And what we discovered was amazing, a political blockbuster,=94
>> says Executive Editor Andy Martin.
>>
>> =93Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan
>> citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan
>> citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own
>> dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows,
>> because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan
>> nationality.
>Too bad, for you and your neocon friends, anyway, that Obama is
>running for the Presidency of the United States, and not Kenya.
>
>Nice try though... I know you had all your neocon, obstructionist,
>infidel, chickenshit repugliKKKKan friends on the edges of their
>chairs for awhile.
Tisk ... it wasn't THAT long ago that the Dems were trying
to get McCain disqualified on technical grounds because he
was born in Panama. Turnabout is fair play dontchaknow :-)
However, I'm not sure why Obama is supposed to "denounce"
his Kenyan citizenship like the author wrote ... nothing
(much) wrong with being a Kenyan IMHO.
Maybe he MEANT to say "renounce" ?
Of course there's no need to do so - the constitution sez
a prez has to be a US citizen, but doesn't say a thing
about holding one or more OTHER citizenships at the same
time.
Or maybe the author figures Obama will turn over control
of the US to his 2nd cousin in Kenya ? Empty OUR treasury
into THEIR treasury ???
Of course, since a US prez is NOT a king, he couldn't
hand-over the US to anybody even if he wanted to ...
and there's nothing IN our treasury to give away anyhow
except a pile of IOUs made out to China.
There ARE some potential dual-citizenship situations that
might worry voters ... US/Iranian, US/Israeli, US/PRC ...
those kinds of things. But Kenya ? Hardly a threat to
world or US interests ... may as well be Belgium.
God help America
"repo" <kcaj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1b7c3355-0c66-4cfd...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
It's in your mom's snatch. Prove that it ain't.
sgall...@rogers.com
> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
>
> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> broadcaster and critic Andy Martin will hold a news conference Friday,
> February 9th at 11:00 A.M. to announce that U. S. Senator Barack Obama
> is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the
> Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced
> his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
While Obama MAY have been a citizen of Kenya as a child he cannot be
one
any longer. Kenya's Constitution states that a person who holds both
Kenyan
citizenship and another citizenship will cease to be a Kenyan citizen
at age 21 unless he gives up his citizenship in the "other" country.
Since
Obama never gave up his US citizenship, then he would have lost any
Kenyan citizenship that he held as a child.
Constitution of Kenya, Chapter 6, Section 97
A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a
citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya
shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon
the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that
other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a
person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such
declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be
prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
>On Aug 13, 2:41 pm, fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>>
>> > > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>>
>> > > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
>> > > "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>>
>> > > Tartarus
>>
>> > It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
>> > holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
>> > potential of.
>>
>> > It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
>>
>> He's not like wetbacks like you, Don. He didn't sneak over here
>> illegally. He was born here.
>>
>> S. Olson- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
>where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
And once again, the CRIMINAL MEXICAN PISS-ON tries to make demands of
an American citizen. Do this country a favor, parasite. Go back to
whatever waterfront crib that you were conceived in and stop trying to
divert attention from your criminal compadres.
>
>http://www.hubdub.com/m9087/When_will_Barack_Obama_release_his_birth_certificate
sgall...@rogers.com
> Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to
> the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between
> “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? .
>
> that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten
> years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack
> Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18
> when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen
> for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a
> territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years
> **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t
> matter *after* .
The laws you're quoting requiring the parent to have resided in the US
prior to the birth ONLY APPLY TO CHILDREN BORN OUTSIDE THE US.
Obama was born in Hawaii, after it became a state. No requirement
for his parent(s) to have resided in the US for any period of time is
required for him to be considered a natural born citizen.
sgall...@rogers.com
> http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
>
> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
Under the Kenyan Constitutional Law, even if Barack Obama did receive
Kenyan Citizenship,
by descent through his father, he would have lost it when he reached
age twenty-one.
That's because Kenya's Constitution states that a Kenyan who also
holds another citizenship
will lose his Kenyan citizenship at age twenty-one unless he gives up
his non-Kenyan citizenship.
Obama did not give up his US citizenship so if he did have Kenyan
citizenship as a child he would
have lost it when he reached age twenty one.
repo
wrote:
Where is the link to Barack Hussein Obama's
birth certificate?
johnny@.
Constitution of Kenya
87*. Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December.
1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected
person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963:
Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of
this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth
December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British
protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his
death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1).
become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
--
"Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English, they'll
learn English; you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish."
Barack Hussein Obama
sgall...@rogers.com
Also from the Constitution of Kenya
97. Dual Citizenship
A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a
citizen
of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall,
subject to subsection (7),
cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has
renounced his citizenship
of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case
of a person who was born
outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions
concerning residence
as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
Obama lost any Kenyan citizenship that he may have held as a child,
unless he renounced
his US citizenship when he turned age twenty-one. Since he is still a
US citizen, he must
have lost his Kenyan citizenship according to the Kenyan Constitution.
Stupid
For everyones edification, US law requires you maintain only one
citizenship, you cannot claim two. It does not preclude renouncing
one or the other but, you must choose if immigrating or emigrating.
Don Gabacho
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT),
>
>
>
> cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Aug 13, 4:17=A0pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If Panama recognizes persons born in Panama to be Panamanian citizens,
McCain does have a problem.
> However, I'm not sure why Obama is supposed to "denounce"
> his Kenyan citizenship like the author wrote ... nothing
> (much) wrong with being a Kenyan IMHO.
Great! Go to Kenya and be one.
> Maybe he MEANT to say "renounce" ?
>
> Of course there's no need to do so - the constitution sez
> a prez has to be a US citizen, but doesn't say a thing
> about holding one or more OTHER citizenships at the same
> time.
You it backwards.
The U.S. Constitution says "No person except a natural born Citizen of
the U.S.A.."
That means "no person except a natural born Citizen of the U.S.A." and
not "no person except a natural born Citizen of the U.S.A. and Citizen
of elsewhere."
> Or maybe the author figures Obama will turn over control
> of the US to his 2nd cousin in Kenya ? Empty OUR treasury
> into THEIR treasury ???
Obama has to not only renounce whatever "citizenship" conferred by
Kenya but also denounce Kenya for its recognition of Obama as a
Citizen of Kenya.
It's not up to the public to do that for him.
> Of course, since a US prez is NOT a king, he couldn't
> hand-over the US to anybody even if he wanted to ...
> and there's nothing IN our treasury to give away anyhow
> except a pile of IOUs made out to China.
>
> There ARE some potential dual-citizenship situations that
> might worry voters ... US/Iranian, US/Israeli, US/PRC ...
> those kinds of things. But Kenya ? Hardly a threat to
> world or US interests ... may as well be Belgium.
All dual citizenships are, even for the potential for conflict of
interest, violations of the public trust not only by any dual
citizens who holds any position of public trust but even seeks any
hold on the public trust.
By law, positions for even the potential for "conflict of interest"
must be shunned, not sought, by anyone who would seek any position of
public trust in the U.S.A..
Obama's a lawyer.
And he knows that!
charles q
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:42:08 -0700 (PDT), psyber_operati...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well,judging by the type of language and grammar being used I'd have
to say we have a few illiterate Obama boys in the crowd.What a joke
Don Gabacho
No. "of a person who was born outside Kenya, "Obama had to have: "made
and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence
as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament."
It is not up to the government of Kenya to track everyone who could
have been born outside of Kenya with a Kenyan father much less track
also if they had made the required renouncement or pledge of
allegiance to another country.
He had to have "registered" it with the Kenyan government.
Obama's a lawyer.
He know's that!
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Aug 13, 5:18 pm, "sgallag...@rogers.com" <sgallag...@rogers.com>
Thats the link you have to provide. Show the birth certificate
demonstrating that he was born somewhere else and you have something.
Without it, all you have a smear.
strabo
> <cake_and_...@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> them?
>
>
Three citizenships equals three lies.
Citizenship entails allegiance to that nation.
A man cannot bear more than one oath at a time.
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore
been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the
law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation
freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help
me God."
Senate Oath
"Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution
of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that you
will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this
obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;
and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office
on which you are about to enter: So help you God?"
One cannot claim to be an American and swear allegiance to another
nation.
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Obama-Richardson in 08
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http://www.hubdub.com/m9087/When_will_Barack_Obama_release_his_birth_certificate
===============================================================
It's been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unlike John McCain, Barack Obama
actually WAS born in the United States. And there's no more reason for him
to be posting his personal documents to prove he's eligible to be President
than there is for you to be posting a copy of YOUR birth certificate to
prove that you're eligible to vote. You're not entitled to see every
private document relating to Barack Obama, nor is he required to post every
god damned piece of paper regarding his birth, his parents marital status,
his schools while growing up or anything else you nut jobs think he should
be posting. He's quite possibly now the most thoroughly investigated and
vetted Presidential candidate in the history of our country, since nut jobs
from the right insist on asking the same questions that have been answered
dozens of times, and demanding investigations into the investigations that
have been done into Obama's background.
You scumbags will stoop to ANY depths to try to keep him from being elected,
including the most heinous forms of character assassination. Give it up,
accept reality for a change and get used to calling him "President Obama".
--
I'm not really anti-Bush . . . I'm really just anti-stupid.
I support the right of all Americans to arm bears.
The only Bush I trust is my wife's.
God versus a can of tuna
> On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>
> > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> > them?
>
> thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
Grasping for straws, aren't you? Prove this conflict of interest.
Can you? Do you know how or are you just a Limbaugh tool?
James Of Tucson
wrote:
> Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
> where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
He was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is a State now, hadn't you heard?
Prove he's not a natural born citizen. Easy for you to do, just get a
letter from the State Department that says so.
(The same standard applies to McCain, who is also, by all relevant
authority, a natural-born citizen of the United States.)
Both candidates are citizens of the United States. Neither had his
citizenship artificially bestowed after birth. Both are natural-born
citizens. QED.
James Of Tucson
attack on the legitimacy of Hawaii's statehood.
Good luck with that.
David Eduardo
"Don Gabacho" <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
news:42befa8f-41c8-4a8e...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
<If Panama recognizes persons born in Panama to be Panamanian citizens,
<McCain does have a problem.
The Canal Zone was US territory when McCain was born.
strabo
If Obama was once a Kenyan citizen while living in the US as a US
citizen, but has no US birth certificate, and Kenya *denounces* him per
Kenyan law after age 21, then unless Obama applied for and received
US naturalization, Obama is a man without a country.
Don Gabacho
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT), repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com>
You don't get it. It is not a matter of where Obama was born. We know
he was born in Hawaii.
It's a matter of the Kenyan Government recognizing Obama as a citizen
of Kenya; and Obama never having renounced that citizenship asked for
or not.
The problem---which it is---is between Obama and the Government of
Kenya.
It is a problem Obama must resolve between Obama and the Government of
Kenya and not a problem to be assumed by any American for Obama: justa
as anyone with even the potential for "conflict of interest" in or
aspiring to any public trust in the U.S.A.(including his Senatorship)
must not burden the public with the resolution and instead resolve (or
not) the problem themselves.
Don Gabacho
wrote:
> On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>
> > > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> > > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> > > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> > > them?
>
> > That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
> > thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
>
> Grasping for straws, aren't you? Prove this conflict of interest.
Are you nuts? He's a "dual citizen" which is evidence enough that the
potential for "conflict of interest" exists. The mere potential
suffices to disqualify him from any public trust in the U.S.A..
Moreover he should be shunning even the potential for conflict of
interest, not seeking it.
Don Gabacho
> "Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
If he were born in the "Canal Zone" and not a hospital just outside.
If he were born outside the "Canal Zone" itself AND Panama recognizes
him as a Citizen of Panama, McCain would then have a serious problem
too.
Don Gabacho
wrote:
> "repo" <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1b7c3355-0c66-4cfd...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 13, 2:41 pm, fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>
> > > > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> > > > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> > > > "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> > > > Tartarus
>
> > > It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
> > > holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
> > > potential of.
>
> > > It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
>
> > He's not like wetbacks like you, Don. He didn't sneak over here
> > illegally. He was born here.
>
> > S. Olson- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
> where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
>
> ===============================================================
>
> It's been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unlike John McCain, Barack Obama
> actually WAS born in the United States. And there's no more reason for him
> to be posting his personal documents to prove he's eligible to be President
> than there is for you to be posting a copy of YOUR birth certificate to
> prove that you're eligible to vote.
Wrong. He must produce the documents submitted to the Kenyan
Government that renounced the citizenship.
Which he just might be doing now---though too late.
Don Gabacho
Nonesense. To hold or even seek any public trust in the U.S.A., he
must be free, even as a Senator, for the mere potential for conflict
of interest!
You keep coming on like some legal bealge and yet you have no concept
at all of the binding precepts as elemental to U.S. law, and true
justice anywhere, as "conflict of interest."
Bone-up bonehead.
Don Gabacho
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The last time I saw Obama on the news he was making a speech to his
fan-base.
A young man from the periphery of the audience asked him to recite the
"Pledge of Allegiance." His fans booed but Obama said yes---that's
O.K.---and then led the mumblinig crowd in the "Pledge of Allegiance."
I had to laugh; and not at the truly despicable booing. It appeared to
me that the young man had in fact been planted by Obama (or his staff)
to make his statement so Kenya's government could see he had made a
"Pledge of Allegiance" to another country.
Which, if the case, is not good enough.
If Obama doesn't produce a genuine copy of a clearly unaltered
document registering his renouncement of Kenyan citizenship to the
Kenyan government---dated prior to the first day he ran for even being
a Senator---he's in trouble.
And so too the DNC.
strabo
Even if Obama produces a valid Hawaii birth certificate there are
other problems.
All American politicians and bureaucrats with multiple citizenships
have compromised their oaths. Eric Cantor and Lieberman think they
can just slide in as McCain's VP but both are known cross citizens.
Time to make this an issue.
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sgall...@rogers.com
He doesn't have to have renounced his Kenyan citizenship. If he was
born
in Hawaii he meets the natural born US citizen requirement. And even
if he still
held Kenyan citizenship today, it does not legally preclude him from
being president.
There is no legal requirement that the president cannot be a dual
citizen.
Plus, he doesn't have to have renounced his Kenyan citizenship because
it would have
been automatically lost under their law when he reached age twenty
one. He didn't
give up his US citizenship at that time, and under Kenya's law that
causes automatic
loss of Kenyan citizenship.
Frank Arthur
<psyber_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> The spineless coward hiding behind <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
> is
> a liar and a fraud.
>
> In fact Barack Obama is American born and is an American citizen by
> birth.
>
> Made up story by "spineless liar and a fraud"
>
>
>
> > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ummmm.... reading the post you are currently responding to, Frank,
made a very veiled reference to the dual citizenry of Barack Obama,
but apparently it was over your head.
Even the thread started off, FFS, making a reference to his dual
citizenship. The OP indicated that Kenya has indicated that Obama has
Kenyan citizenship. The OP also made the statement, and I directly
quote "He is also a U. S. Citizen.".
Soooo, Frank... why the hate? Especially from you, Frank - a man who
says there are so many hate groups in the world, and that they should
not be allowed to exist. The author who you responded to here said
nothing hateful, but you certainly did, Frank. You off your meds
again?
You are a liar and a fraud. Show any proof that I ever wrote "so many
hate groups in the world, and that they should not be allowed to
exist."
Frank Arthur
An American vacationing in England gives birth to a son while there.
The son is an English citizen by birth also an American citizen
because the mother
is an American. If the father of that baby was born in Germany and was
a German citizen the baby would also have German citizenship.
"strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
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repo
>
> - Show quoted text -
The birth certificate would solve the
question of Obama's citizenship,
unless birth certificates weren't
issued in Kenya.
Tim Crowley
troll. Hope this helps.
don, you do know that you will burn in hell don't you ?
Tim Crowley
>
>
> Wrong. He must produce the documents submitted to the Kenyan
> Government that renounced the citizenship.
Naw, he must laugh at KKKoooks like you.
hint: your hate and ignorance have no power here.
Tim Crowley
hint: check his web site - you will find a copy of his birth cert
there.
god, you no name freaks are dumb.
Tim Crowley
>
>
> I'm not a "neo-con."
Correct. You are just an insane, racist Usenet KKKK000k.
Lamont Cranston
Lamont Cranston
Absolutely correct. As usual, "Don" has his head up his
ass. Here is the relevant section of the Kenyan
Constitution:
97. Dual citizenship
1.. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of
twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen
of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to
subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the
specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of
that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the
case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and
registered such declaration of his intentions concerning
residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of
Parliament.
kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html
So, "Don"? Find something else to bitch about you fucking
whiner.
sgall...@rogers.com
The Constitution of Kenya took care of the "problem". Unless Obama
renounced his US citizenship at age twenty one, Kenya's Constitution
automatically deprived Obama of any Kenyan citizenship that he may
have held. Since Obama is still a US citizen, he could not have
renounced
his US citizenship, thus any Kenyan citizenship that he may have held
would have been lost due to that fact.
sgall...@rogers.com
> On Aug 13, 10:58 pm, God versus a can of tuna <goofin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>
> > > > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> > > > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> > > > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> > > > them?
>
> > > That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
> > > thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
>
> > Grasping for straws, aren't you? Prove this conflict of interest.
>
> Are you nuts? He's a "dual citizen"
He WAS a dual citizen. He cannot be one any longer based on the
Constitution of Kenya.
> potential for "conflict of interest" exists. The mere potential
> suffices to disqualify him from any public trust in the U.S.A..
Maybe in your eyes, but not legally. Even if Obama were
a dual citizen, there's no legal requirement that the president
cannot be a dual citizen.
And it's a moot point, since he could no longer be a Kenyan
citizen, based on the laws of Kenya. Kenya wouldn't allow
him to still be a Kenyan citizen while holding US citizenship.
sgall...@rogers.com
> The son is an English citizen by birth
First, there is no such thing as an "English citizen". People from
England,
Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are British citizens.
Second, a child born there to an American who is vacationing there
would not be a British citizen because, since 1983, a person born
in the UK will only be a British citizen if at least one parent is
either
British or a legal non-citizen resident of the UK. Prior to 1983,
birth
in the UK did grant automatic citizenship.
Let's proceed with your scenario, using Canada as a substitute,
since Canada, like the US, follows the nationality concept of Jus Soli
(law of the soil), and grants citizenship based on place of birth. A
child
born in Canada to a vacationing American, would be considered a
Canadian by birth.
> also an American citizen
> because the mother
> is an American.
The child would be a (Canadian) by birth. He would also be a
US citizen under the following circumstances:
*If the parents are married to each other and
**If both parents are US citizens then the child would be a US
citizen.
**
**If only one parent was a US citizen then the child would be a US
citizen
**as long as the US citizen parent, prior to the birth, had been
physically
**present in the US for periods totalling at least five years, with
two of those
**years being after age fourteen.
*If the parents are not married to each other and
**If the mother is a US citizen, then the child will be a US citizen
if the mother had been physically present in the US for at least one
continuous
period of one year, at any time in her life prior to the birth.
**if the father is a US citizen and the mother is not, then the child
will be a US citizen if prior to the child's 18th birthday the father
agrees to provide financial support for the child and he acknowledges
his paternity.
One item to note would be that such a child would be able to keep both
citizenships for life. Canada would have no problem with the fact
that
the US considered him to be a US citizen, and US law does not require
a person born with multiple citizenships to choose only one
citizenship
at some time in his life.
> If the father of that baby was born in Germany and was
> a German citizen the baby would also have German citizenship.
That's correct. Germany, primarily, follows the concept of jus
sanguinis
(law of the blood) and passes citizenship based on the parent's
citizenship
and not where the child was born.
Lamont Cranston
Obama has posted his birth certificate, issued by the State
of Hawaii, on his website.
Lamont Cranston
On Aug 13, 11:58 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Wrong. He must produce the documents submitted to the
> Kenyan
> Government that renounced the citizenship.
Wrong. His citizenship was automatically revoked by the
Kenyan government.
Damn, you're stupid.
repo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Link please;
Lamont Cranston
Already posted. Try this -- using the search engine of your
choice, search for "Obama birth certificate".
Obama-Richardson in 08
--
I'm not really anti-Bush . . . I'm really just anti-stupid.
I support the right of all Americans to arm bears.
The only Bush I trust is my wife's.
"repo" <kcaj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Here, stupid:
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
Now, crawl back under your little rock.
repo
wrote:
> --
> I'm not really anti-Bush . . . I'm really just anti-stupid.
> I support the right of all Americans to arm bears.
> The only Bush I trust is my wife's.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
1) The BC does not give the parents places of birth
2) The BC doesn not give the parents DOB
3) What race is "African"? What about North Africa,
are the Arabs, Moors of the "African" race.
(The BC lists Obama's father as "African")
The Pretzel
Patriot Games
wrote:
>The spineless coward hiding behind <cake_and_...@yahoo.com> is
>In fact Barack Obama is American born and is an American citizen by
>birth.
Prove it.
Obama-Richardson in 08
Not required by law, and irrelevant in the determination of whether Obama is
a natural-born citizen of the U.S., as required by the Constitution.
> 2) The BC doesn not give the parents DOB
Not required by law, and irrelevant in the determination of whether Obama is
a natural-born citizen of the U.S., as required by the Constitution.
> 3) What race is "African"? What about North Africa,
> are the Arabs, Moors of the "African" race.
> (The BC lists Obama's father as "African")
Why don't you ask those questions of the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics?
Whatever they tell you, it's irrelevant in the determination of whether
Obama is a natural-born citizen of the U.S., as required by the
Constitution. If you expect the birth certificate to include information
that wasn't included in Hawaiian birth certificates in 1961, then you'd be
expecting a forgery. Obama won't post a forgery, so you'll have to settle
for the real thing, even if it doesn't answer all your irrelevant questions.
fargo116
> On Aug 13, 2:41 pm, fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>
> > > > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> > > > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> > > > "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> > > > Tartarus
>
> > > It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
> > > holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
> > > potential of.
>
> > > It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
>
> > He's not like wetbacks like you, Don. He didn't sneak over here
> > illegally. He was born here.
>
> > S. Olson- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
> where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Check out his website, repo. It's on there,
S. Olson
fargo116
> On Aug 13, 10:55 pm, "Obama-Richardson in 08" <NoTha...@NoSpam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "repo" <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1b7c3355-0c66-4cfd...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Aug 13, 3:16 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>
> > > > > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> > > > > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> > > > > "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> > > > > Tartarus
>
> > > > It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
> > > > holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
> > > > potential of.
>
> > > > It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
>
> > > He's not like wetbacks like you, Don. He didn't sneak over here
> > > illegally. He was born here.
>
> > > S. Olson- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
> > where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
>
> > ===============================================================
>
> > It's been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unlike John McCain, Barack Obama
> > actually WAS born in the United States. And there's no more reason for him
> > to be posting his personal documents to prove he's eligible to be President
> > than there is for you to be posting a copy of YOUR birth certificate to
> > prove that you're eligible to vote.
>
> Wrong. He must produce the documents submitted to the Kenyan
> Government that renounced the citizenship.
>
No he doesn't Don. He's not a wetback who snuck into this country. Nor
is he an illegal alien.
S. Olson
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
>On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
>> > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
>> > them?
>>
>> That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
>> thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
>
>http://www.usafricaonline.com/chido.obama08houston.html
>A poster on Larry Sinclair’s blog has provided the following
>interpretation of whether Obama meets the citizenship status
>to be president:
>
>Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
>Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to
>the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between
>“December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office
>requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S.
>Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he
>was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates:
>
> “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth,
>that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten
>years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack
>Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18
>when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen
>for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a
>territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years
>**prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t
>matter *after* .
>
> In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic
>U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his
>mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18
>in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years
>old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a
>natural-born citizen.
>
>As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was
>not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother
>would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen
>parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then,
>that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
>
>*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of
>President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10,
>all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who
>needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on
>August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further,
>Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to
>protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in
>Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about
>how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led
>to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of
>U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very
>insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without
>being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay
>tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will
>be leaking through over the next several days…”
Another red herring by that MEXICAN CRIMINAL PISS-ON, trying to divert
attention from the horde of his fellow criminal parsites streaming
over our southern border.
Blackwater
<jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>On Aug 13, 6:36=A0pm, b...@barrk.net (Blackwater) wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT),
>>
>>
>>
>> cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >On Aug 13, 4:17=3DA0pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa..=
>.
>> >m/main/columns/read.html?col=3D3D731
>>
>> >> UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>>
>> >> (CHICAGO)(February 8, 2007) Chicago-based Internet journalist,
>> >> broadcaster and critic Andy Martin will hold a news conference Friday,
>> >> February 9th at 11:00 A.M. to announce that U. S. Senator Barack Obama
>> >> is a citizen of Kenya and became a citizen of Kenya under the
>> >> Independence Constitution of Kenya in 1963. Obama has never renounced
>> >> his Kenyan citizenship. He is also a U. S. Citizen.
>>
>> >> =3D93For our =3D91Obama Week=3D92 leading up to Barry O=3D92s announce=
>ment on Sat=3D
>> >urday
>> >> that he feels qualified to lead the free world,
>> >> ContrarianCommentary.com unleashed a worldwide team of constitutional
>> >> law experts to delve into Kenyan law and the question of Obama=3D92s
>> >> citizenship. They were also participating in our CIA-style
>> >> psychological profile of Obama that will be released Saturday in
>> >> Chicago. And what we discovered was amazing, a political blockbuster,=
>=3D94
>> >> says Executive Editor Andy Martin.
>>
>> >> =3D93Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Keny=
>an
>> >> citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan
>> >> citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own
>> >> dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows,
>> >> because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan
>> >> nationality.
>> >Too bad, for you and your neocon friends, anyway, that Obama is
>> >running for the Presidency of the United States, and not Kenya.
>>
>> >Nice try though... =A0I know you had all your neocon, obstructionist,
>> >infidel, chickenshit repugliKKKKan friends on the edges of their
>> >chairs for awhile.
>>
>> =A0 =A0Tisk ... it wasn't THAT long ago that the Dems were trying
>> =A0 =A0to get McCain disqualified on technical grounds because he
>> =A0 =A0was born in Panama. Turnabout is fair play dontchaknow :-)
>
>If Panama recognizes persons born in Panama to be Panamanian citizens,
>McCain does have a problem.
Nope.
>> =A0 =A0However, I'm not sure why Obama is supposed to "denounce"
>> =A0 =A0his Kenyan citizenship like the author wrote ... nothing
>> =A0 =A0(much) wrong with being a Kenyan IMHO.
>
>Great! Go to Kenya and be one.
Better than a lot of places.
>> =A0 =A0Maybe he MEANT to say "renounce" ?
>>
>> =A0 =A0Of course there's no need to do so - the constitution sez
>> =A0 =A0a prez has to be a US citizen, but doesn't say a thing
>> =A0 =A0about holding one or more OTHER citizenships at the same
>> =A0 =A0time.
>
>You it backwards.
>
>The U.S. Constitution says "No person except a natural born Citizen of
>the U.S.A.."
Seems that "natural born" isn't that straightforward -
yer butt doesn't always have to hit US dirt when you
pop out in order to qualify.
>That means "no person except a natural born Citizen of the U.S.A." and
>not "no person except a natural born Citizen of the U.S.A. and Citizen
>of elsewhere."
Um, no ... not really.
>> =A0 =A0Or maybe the author figures Obama will turn over control
>> =A0 =A0of the US to his 2nd cousin in Kenya ? Empty OUR treasury
>> =A0 =A0into THEIR treasury ???
>
>Obama has to not only renounce whatever "citizenship" conferred by
>Kenya but also denounce Kenya for its recognition of Obama as a
>Citizen of Kenya.
>
>It's not up to the public to do that for him.
The "public" doesn't give a rats ass. If he wants
to be US/Kenyan/Martian/Whatever that's just fine ...
so long as he'll swear to uphold OUR constitution.
>> =A0 =A0Of course, since a US prez is NOT a king, he couldn't
>> =A0 =A0hand-over the US to anybody even if he wanted to ...
>> =A0 =A0and there's nothing IN our treasury to give away anyhow
>> =A0 =A0except a pile of IOUs made out to China.
>>
>> =A0 =A0There ARE some potential dual-citizenship situations that
>> =A0 =A0might worry voters ... US/Iranian, US/Israeli, US/PRC ...
>> =A0 =A0those kinds of things. But Kenya ? Hardly a threat to
>> =A0 =A0world or US interests ... may as well be Belgium.
>
>All dual citizenships are, even for the potential for conflict of
>interest, violations of the public trust not only by any dual
>citizens who holds any position of public trust but even seeks any
>hold on the public trust.
Hmmm ... that's almost exactly the argument used by certain
twits against JFK - saying he was a de-facto Vatican citizen
and thus conflicted.
>By law, positions for even the potential for "conflict of interest"
>must be shunned, not sought, by anyone who would seek any position of
>public trust in the U.S.A..
Since the "public" - meaning the 299,999,999 people BESIDES
you - doesn't see any conflict of interest here. Therefore
nothing has to be done.
>Obama's a lawyer.
>
>And he knows that!
He knows that 'conflicts' are PERCEIVED, not
objective.
repo
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:30:09 -0700 (PDT), repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com>
Maggot led-bottom aka po box is an Obama supporter.
Btw, what country are you from given that you posted
you "know a Few U.S. Citizens".
br...@pobox.com
wrote:
>On Aug 14, 3:28 pm, br...@pobox.com wrote:
I see that the little girlyman is squealing again.
What's the matter, maricon? Did your butt-buddy throw you out?
God versus a can of tuna
> On Aug 13, 10:58 pm, God versus a can of tuna <goofin...@gmail.com>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>
> > > > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>
> > > > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
> > > > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
> > > > them?
>
> > > That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
> > > thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
>
>
> potential for "conflict of interest" exists. The mere potential
>
> Moreover he should be shunning even the potential for conflict of
> interest, not seeking it.
>
> > Can you? Do you know how or are you just a Limbaugh tool?
Just give us some evidence that Obama would put Kenya above America.
Evidence beside dual citizenship.
Sketch
<goof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 13, 2:22 pm, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 13, 1:32 pm, "Frank Arthur" <A...@Arthurian.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <cake_and_eat_it_...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> > Hey spineless coward. A person can have two or three citizenships.
>> > Why in the world would a sane person have to or want to give up any of
>> > them?
>>
>> That would be the first president to have dual citizenship and to me
>> thats a direct conflict of interest,no doubt about it
>
>Grasping for straws, aren't you? Prove this conflict of interest.
>Can you? Do you know how or are you just a Limbaugh tool?
Will will answer your questions as soon as you explain what the fck
"God versus a can of tuna" means.
Lamont Cranston
That's not what birth certificates do.
> 2) The BC doesn not give the parents DOB
That's not what birth certificates do.
> 3) What race is "African"? What about North Africa,
> are the Arabs, Moors of the "African" race.
> (The BC lists Obama's father as "African")
"African" means Negro, you moron.
repo
Look at Obama's friends and mentors; they are all
anti-American, and crooks, i.e.
Antoin "Tony" Rezco a SYRIAN born Arab,
Weatherman Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn;
terrorists who bombed the Pentagon, ect.
mentors who want G-d to damn America
ect ect.
For Obama to side with Kenya is but another
worn in a can of worms...no problema.
Obama said, "57 States", he meant to say
Arab States. That appears to be where his mind is.
Please correct me if the "57" states was not
a slip up reference to the 57 arab states, because
it is troubling knowing that a Senator thinks this way.
Obama's Muslim Kenyan relatives
> Evidence beside dual citizenship.- Hide quoted text -
David Johnston
<jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>On Aug 13, 10:27 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:38:21 -0700 (PDT), repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 13, 5:18 pm, "sgallag...@rogers.com" <sgallag...@rogers.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> > Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to
>> >> > the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between
>> >> > “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? .
>>
>> >> > “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth,
>> >> > that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten
>> >> > years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack
>> >> > Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18
>> >> > when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen
>> >> > for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a
>> >> > territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years
>> >> > **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t
>> >> > matter *after* .
>>
>> >> The laws you're quoting requiring the parent to have resided in the US
>> >> prior to the birth ONLY APPLY TO CHILDREN BORN OUTSIDE THE US.
>>
>> >> Obama was born in Hawaii, after it became a state. No requirement
>> >> for his parent(s) to have resided in the US for any period of time is
>> >> required for him to be considered a natural born citizen.
>>
>> >Where is the link to Barack Hussein Obama's
>> >birth certificate?
>>
>> Thats the link you have to provide. Show the birth certificate
>> demonstrating that he was born somewhere else and you have something.
>> Without it, all you have a smear.
>
>You don't get it. It is not a matter of where Obama was born. We know
>he was born in Hawaii.
If he "knew" that then he wouldn't be asking for his birth
certificate.
>
>It's a matter of the Kenyan Government recognizing Obama as a citizen
>of Kenya;
That is the first time I've ever heard any suggestion of that being
the issue. It's the first time I've even heard it mentioned.
Docky Wocky
At least when his jet pulls up on the tarmac and he pops out of the front
hatch in his Mau-Mau T-shirt, they won't be able to turn his request for
political asylum down flat.
Lamont Cranston
> Barack may need that Kenyan citizenship before it is all
> over.
He has no Kenyan citizenship.
>
> At least when his jet pulls up on the tarmac and he pops
> out of the
> front hatch in his Mau-Mau T-shirt, they won't be able to
> turn his
> request for political asylum down flat.
Al Nakba
>
> - Show quoted text -
bullshit. i know white folks who were born in Africa; the country
formerly known as Rhodesia..
repo
USofAmerican BC give the date of birth of both parents, and
their places of birth.
>
2) The BC doesn not give the parents DOB
>
> That's not what birth certificates do.
USofAmerican Birth Certificates do.
That birth certificate of Obama's doesn't have many
details, nor is it certified.
>
> > 3) What race is "African"? What about North Africa,
> > are the Arabs, Moors of the "African" race.
> > (The BC lists Obama's father as "African")
>
> "African" means Negro, you moron.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Morrocans, Lybians, are "African" and most are not Black.
Btw, the term "Negro" went out several decades
ago; unless you are saying "negro", the latin word
meaning black.
br...@pobox.com
Really, shit for brains? How do you explain the Egyptians and others
spread over the entire Mediterranean-bordering portions of Africa?
Lamont Cranston
Bullshit.
When used in a racial context (as described above),
"African" means "Negro."
Lamont Cranston
The term "Negro" was in common use in the year of Obama's
birth.
repo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obama’s “Birth Certificate” from Hawaii
is very unique to say the least: I'm no expert, but
Obama's Birth Certificate to even an untrained eye looks fake.
Obama's
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
A real Hawaii Birth Cert.
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521
Obama's does not have the parents date of births, places of
birth, and is missing much Pertinent information for a BC....Very very
odd.
Lamont Cranston
According to Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Department of
Health, “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
End of story. Move on.
fargo116
<Lamont.Crans...@intheshadows.com> wrote:
> sgallag...@rogers.com wrote:
> > On Aug 14, 2:58 am, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com>
> > If he was
> > born
> > in Hawaii he meets the natural born US citizen
> > requirement. And even
> > if he still
> > held Kenyan citizenship today, it does not legally
> > preclude him from
> > being president.
> > There is no legal requirement that the president cannot be
> > a dual
> > citizen.
>
> > Plus, he doesn't have to have renounced his Kenyan
> > citizenship because
> > it would have
> > been automatically lost under their law when he reached
> > age twenty
> > one. He didn't
> > give up his US citizenship at that time, and under Kenya's
> > law that
> > causes automatic
> > loss of Kenyan citizenship.
>
> Absolutely correct. As usual, "Don" has his head up his
> ass. Here is the relevant section of the Kenyan
> Constitution:
>
> 97. Dual citizenship
>
> 1.. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of
> twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen
> of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to
> subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the
> specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of
> that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the
> case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and
> registered such declaration of his intentions concerning
> residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of
> Parliament.
> kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html
>
> So, "Don"? Find something else to bitch about you fucking
> whiner.
He'll go back to bitching about the Meskins, Lamont.
S. Olson
repo
>
> End of story. Move on.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obama’s “Birth Certificate” from Hawaii
is missing pertinent information. Anyone
would deny the birth certificate if used for proof
of citizenship. This one could have been
produced and inserted into Hawaii records
easily.
Tim Crowley
> On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>
> > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN:
>
> > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship? Don't you mean
> > "renounce"? And even then, why should he do that?
>
> > Tartarus
>
> It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone in the U.S.A.
> holding a public trust must not only be free of but shun even the
> potential of.
>
> It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true 'justice' anywhere.
You should file a law suit. Judges need a laugh from a KKK00k once in
a while too.
hint: Senator Obama is a US citizen and will be President of the USA.
Your racist lies are failing. But then, you always fail.
Tim Crowley
<Lamont.Crans...@intheshadows.com> wrote:
> On Aug 13, 11:58 pm, Don Gabacho <jpast...@nettaxi.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wrong. He must produce the documents submitted to the
> > Kenyan
> > Government that renounced the citizenship.
>
> Kenyan government.
>
> Damn, you're stupid.
All racists are this dumb.
Tim Crowley
> On Aug 14, 9:56 am, "Lamont Cranston"
>
>
>
> <Lamont.Crans...@intheshadows.com> wrote:
> > > > <NoTha...@NoSpam.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > "repo" <kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:1b7c3355-0c66-4cfd...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Aug 13, 2:41 pm, fargo116 <fargo...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 13, 4:29 pm, Tartarus <tarta...@rome.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2:17 pm, repo <kcajy...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htmhttp://www.politicalgatewa...
>
> > > > > > > > > UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA
> > > > > > > > > IS A KENYAN
> > > > > > > > > CITIZEN:
>
> > > > > > > > Why should he denounce his Kenyan citizenship?
> > > > > > > > Don't you
> > > > > > > > mean "renounce"? And even then, why should he do
> > > > > > > > that?
>
> > > > > > > > Tartarus
>
> > > > > > > It's called "conflict of interest" of which anyone
> > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > U.S.A. holding a public trust must not only be
> > > > > > > free of but
> > > > > > > shun even the potential of.
>
> > > > > > > It is precept to U.S. law. It is precept to true
> > > > > > > 'justice'
> > > > > > > anywhere.
>
> > > > > > sneak over here
> > > > > > illegally. He was born here.
>
> > > > > > S. Olson- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Prove Obama was actually born in the USofA,
> > > > > where is a copy of a posted birth certificate?
>
> > > > >http://www.hubdub.com/m9087/When_will_Barack_Obama_release_his_birth_...
> > > > > ===============================================================
>
> > > > > It's been verified by the State of Hawaii. Unlike John
> > > > > McCain,
> > > > > Barack Obama actually WAS born in the United States.
> > > > > And there's
> > > > > no more reason for him to be posting his personal
> > > > > documents to
> > > > > prove he's eligible to be President than there is for
> > > > > you to be
> > > > > posting a copy of YOUR birth certificate to prove that
> > > > > you're
> > > > > eligible to vote.
>
> > > > Kenyan
> > > > Government that renounced the citizenship.
>
> > > > Hide quoted
> > > > text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The birth certificate would solve the
> > > question of Obama's citizenship,
> > > unless birth certificates weren't
> > > issued in Kenya.
>
> > Obama has posted his birth certificate, issued by the State
> > of Hawaii, on his website.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Link please;
Buahashahahaha. Should we buy you a computer, idiot.
hint: look it up, your mommy don't work here.