Steyn on Fort Hood and Ramifications, leadups..............
FACE
November 7, 2009 6:00 AM
The Hole at the Heart of Our Strategy
We’re scrupulously non-judgmental about the ideology that drives
terrorism.
By Mark Steyn
Thirteen dead and 31 wounded would be a bad day for the U.S. military in
Afghanistan, and a great victory for the Taliban. When it happens in
Texas, in the heart of the biggest military base in the nation, at a
processing center for soldiers either returning from or deploying to
combat overseas, it is not merely a “tragedy” (as too many people called
it) but a glimpse of a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of what we have
called, since 9/11, the “War on Terror.” Brave soldiers trained to hunt
down and kill America’s enemy abroad were killed in the safety and
security of home by, in essence, the same enemy — a man who believes in
and supports everything the enemy does.
And he’s a U.S. Army major.
And his superior officers and other authorities knew about his beliefs but
seemed to think it was just a bit of harmless multicultural diversity — as
if believing that “the Muslims should stand up and fight against the
aggressor” (i.e., his fellow American soldiers) and writing Internet
paeans to the “noble” “heroism” of suicide bombers and, indeed,
objectively supporting the other side in an active war is to be regarded
as just some kind of alternative lifestyle that adds to the general
vibrancy of the base.
But he didn’t really need to “ it up” at all. He could pretty much say
anything he liked, and if any “red flags” were raised they were quickly
mothballed. Lots of people are “anti-war.” Some of them are objectively on
the other side — that’s to say, they encourage and support attacks on
American troops and civilians. But not many of those in that latter
category are U.S. Army majors. Or so one would hope. Yet why be surprised?
Azad Ali, a man who approvingly quotes such observations as “If I saw an
American or British man wearing a soldier’s uniform inside Iraq I would
kill him because that is my obligation” is an adviser to Britain’s Crown
Prosecution Service (the equivalent of the U.S. attorneys). In Toronto
this week, the brave ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish mentioned en passant that, on
flying from the U.S. to Canada, she was questioned at length about the
purpose of her visit by an apparently Muslim border official. When she
revealed that she was giving a speech about Islamic law, he rebuked her:
“We are not to question sharia.”
That’s the guy manning the airport-security desk.
In the New York Times, Maria Newman touched on Hasan’s faith only
obliquely: “He was single, according to the records, and he listed no
religious preference.” Thank goodness for that, eh? A neighbor in Texas
says the major had “Allah” and “another word” pinned up in Arabic on his
door. “Akbar” maybe? On Thursday morning he is said to have passed out
copies of the Koran to his neighbors. He shouted in Arabic as he fired.
But don’t worry: As the FBI spokesman assured us in nothing flat, there’s
no terrorism angle.
That’s true, in a very narrow sense: Major Hasan is not a card-carrying
member of the Texas branch of al-Qaeda reporting to a control officer in
Yemen or Waziristan. If he were, things would be a lot easier. But the
pathologies that drive al-Qaeda beat within Major Hasan too, and in the
end his Islamic impulses trumped his expensive Western education, his
psychiatric training, his military discipline — his entire American
identity. One might say the same about Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale,
Ariz., arrested last week after fatally running over his “too Westernized”
daughter Noor in the latest American honor killing. Or the two U.S.
residents — one American, one Canadian — arrested a few days earlier for
plotting to fly to Denmark for the purposes of murdering the editor who
commissioned the famous Mohammed cartoons. But Noor Almaleki’s brother
shrugs that’s just the way it is. “One thing to one culture doesn’t make
sense to another culture,” he says.
Indeed. To infidels, Islam is in a certain sense unknowable, and most of
us are content to leave it at that. The vast majority of Muslims don’t
conspire to kill cartoonists or murder their daughters or shoot dozens of
their fellow soldiers. But Islam inspires enough of this behavior to make
it a legitimate topic of analysis. Don’t hold your breath. We’d rather
talk about anything else — even in the Army.
What happened to those men and women at Fort Hood had a horrible
symbolism: Members of the best trained, best equipped fighting force on
the planet gunned down by a guy who said a few goofy things no one took
seriously. And that’s the problem: America has the best troops and
fiercest firepower, but no strategy for throttling the ideology that
drives the enemy — in Afghanistan and in Texas.
When it emerged early on Thursday afternoon that the shooter was Nidal
Malik Hasan, there appeared shortly thereafter on Twitter a flurry of
posts with the striking formulation: “Please judge Major Malik Nadal [sic]
by his actions and not by his name.”
Concerned Tweeters can relax: There was never really any danger of that —
and not just in the sense that the New York Times’s first report on Major
Hasan never mentioned the words “Muslim” or “Islam,” or that ABC’s Martha
Raddatz’s only observation on his name was that “as for the suspect, Nadal
Hasan, as one officer’s wife told me, ‘I wish his name was Smith.’”
What a strange reaction. I suppose what she means is that, if his name
were Smith, we could all retreat back into the same comforting illusions
that allowed the bureaucracy to advance Nidal Malik Hasan to major and
into the heart of Fort Hood while ignoring everything that mattered about
the essence of this man.
Since 9/11, we have, as the Twitterers recommend, judged people by their
actions — flying planes into skyscrapers, blowing themselves up in Bali
nightclubs or London Tube trains, planting IEDs by the roadside in Baghdad
or Tikrit. And on the whole we’re effective at responding with action of
our own — taking out training camps in Afghanistan, rolling up insurgency
networks in Fallujah and Ramadi, intercepting terror plots in London and
Toronto and Dearborn.
But we’re scrupulously non-judgmental about the ideology that drives a man
to fly into a building or self-detonate on the subway, and thus we have a
hole at the heart of our strategy. We use rhetorical conveniences like
“radical Islam” or, if that seems a wee bit Islamophobic, just plain old
“radical extremism.” But we never make any effort to delineate the line
which separates “radical Islam” from non-radical Islam. Indeed, we go to
great lengths to make it even fuzzier. And somewhere in that woozy blur
the pathologies of a Nidal Malik Hasan incubate. An army psychiatrist,
Major Hasan was an American, born and raised, who graduated from Viriginia
Tech and then received his doctorate from the Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, which works out to the best
part of half a million dollars’ worth of elite education. But he opposed
America’s actions in the Middle East and Afghanistan, and made approving
remarks about jihadists on American soil. “You need to lock it up, Major,”
cautioned his superior officer, Col. Terry Lee.
But he didn’t really need to “lock it up” at all. He could pretty much say
anything he liked, and if any “red flags” were raised they were quickly
mothballed. Lots of people are “anti-war.” Some of them are objectively on
the other side — that’s to say, they encourage and support attacks on
American troops and civilians. But not many of those in that latter
category are U.S. Army majors. Or so one would hope. Yet why be surprised?
Azad Ali, a man who approvingly quotes such observations as “If I saw an
American or British man wearing a soldier’s uniform inside Iraq I would
kill him because that is my obligation” is an adviser to Britain’s Crown
Prosecution Service (the equivalent of the U.S. attorneys). In Toronto
this week, the brave ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish mentioned en passant that, on
flying from the U.S. to Canada, she was questioned at length about the
purpose of her visit by an apparently Muslim border official. When she
revealed that she was giving a speech about Islamic law, he rebuked her:
“We are not to question sharia.”
That’s the guy manning the airport-security desk.
In the New York Times, Maria Newman touched on Hasan’s faith only
obliquely: “He was single, according to the records, and he listed no
religious preference.” Thank goodness for that, eh? A neighbor in Texas
says the major had “Allah” and “another word” pinned up in Arabic on his
door. “Akbar” maybe? On Thursday morning he is said to have passed out
copies of the Koran to his neighbors. He shouted in Arabic as he fired.
But don’t worry: As the FBI spokesman assured us in nothing flat, there’s
no terrorism angle.
That’s true, in a very narrow sense: Major Hasan is not a card-carrying
member of the Texas branch of al-Qaeda reporting to a control officer in
Yemen or Waziristan. If he were, things would be a lot easier. But the
pathologies that drive al-Qaeda beat within Major Hasan too, and in the
end his Islamic impulses trumped his expensive Western education, his
psychiatric training, his military discipline — his entire American
identity. One might say the same about Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale,
Ariz., arrested last week after fatally running over his “too Westernized”
daughter Noor in the latest American honor killing. Or the two U.S.
residents — one American, one Canadian — arrested a few days earlier for
plotting to fly to Denmark for the purposes of murdering the editor who
commissioned the famous Mohammed cartoons. But Noor Almaleki’s brother
shrugs that’s just the way it is. “One thing to one culture doesn’t make
sense to another culture,” he says.
Indeed. To infidels, Islam is in a certain sense unknowable, and most of
us are content to leave it at that. The vast majority of Muslims don’t
conspire to kill cartoonists or murder their daughters or shoot dozens of
their fellow soldiers. But Islam inspires enough of this behavior to make
it a legitimate topic of analysis. Don’t hold your breath. We’d rather
talk about anything else — even in the Army.
What happened to those men and women at Fort Hood had a horrible
symbolism: Members of the best trained, best equipped fighting force on
the planet gunned down by a guy who said a few goofy things no one took
seriously. And that’s the problem: America has the best troops and
fiercest firepower, but no strategy for throttling the ideology that
drives the enemy — in Afghanistan and in Texas.
Iconoclast
> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhj...
It seems that the TSA employees at JFK and Newark Airport are largely
of Middle Eastern origin as well. It's like the fox guarding the hen
house.
Excellent piece. Thanks for posting. Scroll up to see comment midway-
through the piece.
abelard
wrote:
>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
>
>November 7, 2009 6:00 AM
thanx for posting it...
for assistance i've removed the section you duplicated
regards
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FACE
<icono...@nym.hush.com>, wrote
>> What happened to those men and women at Fort Hood had a horrible
>> symbolism: Members of the best trained, best equipped fighting force on
>> the planet gunned down by a guy who said a few goofy things no one took
>> seriously. And that’s the problem: America has the best troops and
>> fiercest firepower, but no strategy for throttling the ideology that
>> drives the enemy — in Afghanistan and in Texas.
>
>Excellent piece. Thanks for posting. Scroll up to see comment midway-
>through the piece.
Glad you enjoyed it. The official US response to this clear and present
danger should be a Monty Python skit. I recall when mention was made of
the muslims in the TSA crews. It exceeds ridiculous................
It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
correct.
FACE
FACE
<abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0500, FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net>
>wrote:
>
>>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
>>
>>November 7, 2009 6:00 AM
>
>thanx for posting it...
>for assistance i've removed the section you duplicated
>
>regards
Thank you. I felt that something did go wrong in my cut and paste but
from the below it appears that you also removed page 2 which begins "But
he didn’t really need to “lock it up” at all. ..."
I was rather hoping that people would just go to the URL to read
it........
FACE
William Black
> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
> correct.
Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
abelard
wrote:
>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:01:43 +0100, in alt.politics, abelard
><abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0500, FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
>>>
>>>November 7, 2009 6:00 AM
>>
>>thanx for posting it...
>>for assistance i've removed the section you duplicated
>>
>>regards
>
>Thank you. I felt that something did go wrong in my cut and paste but
>from the below it appears that you also removed page 2 which begins "But
>he didn�t really need to �lock it up� at all. ..."
yeah well...you'll find you'd already put that in as para 3 :-)
>I was rather hoping that people would just go to the URL to read
>it........
i went to check when it go muddled
regards
--
FACE
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk>, wrote
>FACE wrote:
>
>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>> correct.
>
>Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
Read all the words William
William Black
'Almost all'.
I assume you have some figures about how many terrorists there are in
the world today.
FACE
<abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:58:56 -0500, FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:01:43 +0100, in alt.politics, abelard
>><abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>>
>>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:35:23 -0500, FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
>>>>
>>>>November 7, 2009 6:00 AM
>>>
>>>thanx for posting it...
>>>for assistance i've removed the section you duplicated
>>>
>>>regards
>>
>>Thank you. I felt that something did go wrong in my cut and paste but
>>from the below it appears that you also removed page 2 which begins "But
>>he didn’t really need to “lock it up” at all. ..."
>
>yeah well...you'll find you'd already put that in as para 3 :-)
LOL! (at me)
>
>>I was rather hoping that people would just go to the URL to read
>>it........
>
>i went to check when it go muddled
Always a Good Thing (tm).
FACE
<abel...@abelard.org>, wrote
>yeah well...you'll find you'd already put that in as para 3 :-)
I finally looked back and yes, I made quite a dog's breakfast of
it........
FACE
FACE
<AFaceIn...@today.net>, wrote
>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
>
REPOSTED (and hopefully, straightened out)
November 07, 2009, 6:00 a.m.
The Hole at the Heart of Our Strategy
We’re scrupulously non-judgmental about the ideology that drives
terrorism.
By Mark Steyn
Thirteen dead and 31 wounded would be a bad day for the U.S. military in
Afghanistan, and a great victory for the Taliban. When it happens in
Texas, in the heart of the biggest military base in the nation, at a
processing center for soldiers either returning from or deploying to
combat overseas, it is not merely a “tragedy” (as too many people called
it) but a glimpse of a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of what we have
called, since 9/11, the “War on Terror.” Brave soldiers trained to hunt
down and kill America’s enemy abroad were killed in the safety and
security of home by, in essence, the same enemy — a man who believes in
and supports everything the enemy does.
And he’s a U.S. Army major.
And his superior officers and other authorities knew about his beliefs but
seemed to think it was just a bit of harmless multicultural diversity — as
if believing that “the Muslims should stand up and fight against the
aggressor” (i.e., his fellow American soldiers) and writing Internet
paeans to the “noble” “heroism” of suicide bombers and, indeed,
objectively supporting the other side in an active war is to be regarded
as just some kind of alternative lifestyle that adds to the general
vibrancy of the base.
When it emerged early on Thursday afternoon that the shooter was Nidal
~~~~
FACE
FACE
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk>, wrote
>FACE wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:07:36 +0000, in alt.politics, William Black
>> <willia...@hotmail.co.uk>, wrote
>>
>>> FACE wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>>>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>>>> correct.
>>> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
>>
>> Read all the words William
>>
>
>'Almost all'.
>
>I assume you have some figures about how many terrorists there are in
>the world today.
Oh please............. (dripping with sarcasm)
John Rennie
> FACE wrote:
>
>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were
>> not
>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>> correct.
>
> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
>
>
Iconoclast
> FACE wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:07:36 +0000, in alt.politics, William Black
>
> >> FACE wrote:
>
> >>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
> >>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
> >>> correct.
> >> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
>
> > Read all the words William
>
> 'Almost all'.
>
> I assume you have some figures about how many terrorists there are in
> the world today.
>
> --
> William Black
>
A proud graduate of Diversity Training joins the fray to let his
superiors know that his indoctrination in anti-Western thought was a
success.If the Muslims nuked London, William would immediately attempt
to minimize the horror of the holocaust by spouting out that the
Americans, long ago, nuked Hiroshima or some such PC nonsense.
repo
> FACE wrote:
> > It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
> > terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
> > correct.
>
> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones
There are No "Irish or Basque ones" Ect out of their
respective regions..... However,
Islamist terrorists are world wide in every country and region.
FACE
<Kcaj...@yahoo.com>, wrote
>On Nov 8, 12:07 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> FACE wrote:
>> > It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>> > terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>> > correct.
>>
>> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones
>
>There are No "Irish or Basque ones" Ect out of their
>respective regions..... However,
>Islamist terrorists are world wide in every country and region.
>
>
Good point. A strained case could be made that "Shining Path"(if still
around) in Peru operates cross-border with Columbia and sometimes FARC
goes cross border -- but as i say, "strained".
(I believe it was Shining Path with the 'suicide donkey' a few years ago.)
Probably the most media-visible international terrorist who was not muslim
was Carlos the Jackal -- who, captured and while imprisoned in France,
converted to Islam. (Wonder what that says......)
I am wondering if this is the origin of the paraphrase I used (he makes
the qualification in the longish first sentence)..........
~~~~
http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/1941.cfm
The Sad Truth Is That All Terrorists Are Muslim
Abd al-Rahman al-Rashid, September 23, 2004
It is certainly true that not all Muslims are terrorists, however, sadly
we say that the majority of terrorists in the world are Muslims. The
kidnappers of the students in [the city of Beslan in the Russian state of]
Ossetia were Muslim. The kidnappers who killed the Nepalese chefs and
laborers [in Iraq] were also Muslims. Those who perpetrate acts of rape
and murder in Darfur are Muslims, and their victims are Muslim also. Those
who blew up civilian housing complexes in Riyadh and Khobar [Saudi Arabia]
were Muslims. Those who kidnapped the two French reporters [in Iraq] were
Muslim. The two women who blew up those two planes a week ago [in Russia]
were Muslim.
Bin Laden is a Muslim and [the rebel cleric in Yemen, Husayn Badr al-Din]
al-Hawthi is a Muslim, and most of those who carried out suicidal acts
against buses, schools, houses, buildings all over the world in the past
ten years also were Muslims. What a terrible record—doesn’t that say
something to us about ourselves, our societies and our culture?
These images are grim, shameful and despicable for us when we gather them
and lay them out together in one day [here in this article], however
instead of ignoring and justifying them we must first recognize the
validity [of this sad truth] and not compose articles and speeches
declaring our innocence. It makes it easier for us to treat ourselves if
we recognize the sickness. [For] self-treatment begins first by
recognition. Then it is incumbent on us to repudiate our terrorist
offspring, as they are a natural result of a distorted culture. Listen to
what television sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi said, publicly issuing a fatwa
giving permission to kill American civilians in Iraq. Imagine that, a
religious scholar urging the killing of civilians, a sheik who belies the
wisdom that old age supposedly brings, inciting the tender youth to kill
civilians, [and] all the while he has two daughters who are studying in
the safety of British protection in the infidel United Kingdom.
Article Continues
~~~~
William Black
When they ran about doing terrorist stuff they were getting thrashed.
When they got organised and bought some uniforms and hired a Germans to
teach them some drill and discipline they thrashed the arse off us...
William Black
> On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> FACE wrote:
>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:07:36 +0000, in alt.politics, William Black
>>> <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk>, wrote
>>>> FACE wrote:
>>>>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>>>>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>>>>> correct.
>>>> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones...
>>> Read all the words William
>> 'Almost all'.
>>
>> I assume you have some figures about how many terrorists there are in
>> the world today.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
>>
>
> A proud graduate of Diversity Training joins the fray to let his
> superiors know that his indoctrination in anti-Western thought was a
> success.
Goodness, that was a mouthful...
Got any more gems like that lot?
If the Muslims nuked London, William would immediately attempt
> to minimize the horror of the holocaust by spouting out that the
> Americans, long ago, nuked Hiroshima or some such PC nonsense.
Nope, just the usual bollocks...
William Black
> On Nov 8, 12:07 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> FACE wrote:
>>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>>> correct.
>> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones
>
> There are No "Irish or Basque ones" Ect out of their
> respective regions.....
Well except for those IRA men who turned up in South America, the USA
and Germany.
cornholio
Just think about muslime fucks in law enforcement and our judiciary
protecting us kafirs/infidels from muslime fuck terrorism and global
jihad. Kinda gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling doesn't it?
cornholio
> repo wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 12:07 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> FACE wrote:
> >>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
> >>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
> >>> correct.
> >> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones
>
> > There are No "Irish or Basque ones" Ect out of their
> > respective regions.....
>
> Well except for those IRA men who turned up in South America, the USA
> and Germany.
>
Forgive me for asking, but when was the last time the IRA committed
ANY act of terrorism?
I'd also like to see a list of all acts of terrorism committed by the
IRA since it's inception. Why? Because I'm betting the muslime
fucks have committed MANY more acts of terrorism over the last
fifty years than the IRA committed in its entire history. Ditto for
the number of victims involved
Furthermore, the IRA deliberately made it a goal to minimize
civilian casualties -- something your muslime pals never do.
John Rennie
> On Nov 8, 2:52 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> repo wrote:
>>> On Nov 8, 12:07 pm, William Black <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> FACE wrote:
>>>>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
>>>>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>>>>> correct.
>>>> Well, except for the Irish and Basque ones
>>> There are No "Irish or Basque ones" Ect out of their
>>> respective regions.....
>> Well except for those IRA men who turned up in South America, the USA
>> and Germany.
>>
>
> Forgive me for asking, but when was the last time the IRA committed
> ANY act of terrorism?
>
> I'd also like to see a list of all acts of terrorism committed by the
> IRA since it's inception. Why? Because I'm betting the muslime
> fucks have committed MANY more acts of terrorism over the last
> fifty years than the IRA committed in its entire history. Ditto for
> the number of victims involved
>
> Furthermore, the IRA deliberately made it a goal to minimize
> civilian casualties -- something your muslime pals never do.
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/17/newsid_2514000/2514429.stm
cornholio
>
> http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/enniskillen.htm
That's 12 people dead retard...over a 50 year period. Muslime
terrorism
killed more people just this week, much less over the last 50 years.
Osric
>
> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims were not
> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
> correct.
>
Almost all except:
Communist party of India
New People's Army Philipines
Continuity IRA
GRAPO
International Sikh Youth Federation
INLA
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
LVF
Kach
National Democratic Front of Bodoland
National LIberation Army
FARC
National LIberation Front of Tripura
Orange Volunteers
Real IRA
Red Hand Commando
Red Hand Defenders
Revolutionary Nuclei
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People's Liberation Front
Revolutionary Struggle
Saor Eire
Shining Path
Ulster Defence Association
UFF
UVF
United Liberation Front of Asom
ALF
Tamil Nadu Liberation Front
UNLF
United Self Defence Forces of Columbia
So nothing like almost all.
--
Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
FACE
<os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
You are such an stupid ass. Yes, shit-for-brains, it is almost all. If
you, dumbfuck, would take all of the various names of the *established*
muslim terrorist groups -- like Army of Aden, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, and
listed them you would need plenty of pages. If you toted up body counts,
you would display even more the fool you are.
Asswipe, you are a fucking idiot, and continue to show how fucking
childish you are..................
OM,
FACE
FACE
<os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
> Osric
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>THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
>RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
What an arrogant bastard you are.
Osric
"FACE" <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote in message
news:fpmgf5hfu5lng80vf...@4ax.com...
Terrorist organisations that happen to be Muslim take up something over
half, but far less than half are pan-Islamic. Most of them are fighting long
standing nationalist causes, motivated by long standing aspirations of
autonomy. If you take out nationalist terrorist organisations, i.e. those
with precisely the same aspirations as non muslim terrorist organisations
like ETA, the number of terrorist organisations motivated primarily by
pan-Islamic aims like Al Qaida are very small indeed.
This of course doesn't suit your fascist sectarian bigotry, but then
sectarian bigots aren't too smart, even the ones who think they're Islamic
scholars.
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Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
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FACE
<os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
No. You are wrong as usual. The body count of islamist terrorist groups
is far in excess of the others. The adherents of islamic terrorist groups
is far in excess of the others. The muslim writer was right when he said
that though all muslims were not terrorists almost all terrorists were
muslim. The fact that you are too fucking stupid to realize that is your
own fault -- you keep yourself blinkered with your face in the chunder
bucket.
It's always humorous to see a fucking socialist piece of shit like
yourself call someone a fascist, since fascism is just another flavor of
socialism.
Btw, you are a lying asshole as well as an arrogant, self-serving bastard.
FACE
> Osric
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>THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
>RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
What an idiotic fool you are, ozzie, you're an international socialist who
thinks he is the center of the universe..................
Osric
Muslim and Islamist are not interchangeable terms. As someone who who make
the bold assertion "Oh, on islam, the religion of death? I know more about
it -- in detail that you or most muslims could ever dream about knowing."
you'd think you'd know that. The proportion of terrorist organisations that
are Islamist is even smaller and certainly not "almost all"
The muslim writer was right when he said
> that though all muslims were not terrorists almost all terrorists were
> muslim.
I've demonstrated otherwise. Its a bullshit statement not borne out by the
facts. As you're incapable of your own opinion you appear unable to offer
anything other than continue to parrot someone else's catchphrase. Polly
wanna cracker? A cut and paste contribution from a cut and paste mind.
The fact that you are too fucking stupid to realize that is your
> own fault -- you keep yourself blinkered with your face in the chunder
> bucket.
>
> It's always humorous to see a fucking socialist piece of shit like
> yourself call someone a fascist, since fascism is just another flavor of
> socialism.
Your attempt to distort the truth in order to smear an entire cultural
identity with the accusation of inveterate evil is the road to Auschwitz.
Fascism always needs an enemy to whip morons like you into a rabid paranoid
xenophobic frenzy.
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FACE
<os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
What a vicious little motherfucker you are.
Spitting on the screen yet?
LOL!!!!!!!
Osric
You expect to come on this NG foul mouthing everyone and fomenting sectarian
hatred of the genocidal variety and not get a slice of your own pie? Grow
up.
There's a butchers bill for the shit you preach, so wise up and try to find
a way forward other than stoking the fires, if for no better reason than
eventually chickens have a habit of coming home to roost.
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Osric
THE BORDERS OF MY COUNTRY
RUN AROUND THE SOLES OF MY FEET
>
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> LOL!!!!!!!
>
John Rennie
FACE
<os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
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>"FACE" <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote in message
>news:8ighf5diojc5pvlli...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:09:32 -0000, in alt.politics, "Osric"
>> <os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
>>
>>>
>>>"FACE" <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote in message
>>>news:ba0hf5lnn5ggb8n29...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:17:15 -0000, in alt.politics, "Osric"
>>>> <os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"FACE" <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:fpmgf5hfu5lng80vf...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:29:13 -0000, in alt.politics, "Osric"
>>>>>> <os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> It was a muslim imam or whatever who said that though all muslims
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> terrorist, almost all terrorists were muslim. He was so obviously
>>>>>>>> correct.
>>>>>>>>
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Your sole purpose here is to be an ass.
In that, you are doing a wonderful job.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
cornholio
> "FACE" <AFaceInTheCr...@today.net> wrote in message
Yes "nationalist" causes like the deliberate, systematic persecution
of people of other faiths or no faith at all, as practiced to varying
degrees
in EVERY islamopig shitocracy on the face of the globe Abdul.
> This of course doesn't suit your fascist sectarian bigotry, but then
> sectarian bigots aren't too smart, even the ones who think they're Islamic
> scholars.
> --
>
> Osric
>
Your real name wouldn't happen to be:
Abdul, Farid, Fuckwit, Fuckwad, Ali, Ahmed,
Aladdin, Osama, Osman, Nidal would it?
cornholio
> "FACE" <AFaceInTheCr...@today.net> wrote in message
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> news:ba0hf5lnn5ggb8n29...@4ax.com...
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> > On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:17:15 -0000, in alt.politics, "Osric"
> > <os...@nospambtinternet.com>, wrote
>
Gee the ideology of pislam, as practiced currently as well
as in the past has NEVER been anything less than intolerant,
genocidal and supremacist Ali Al Fuckwad.
FACE
<andx...@gmail.com>, wrote
>the number of terrorist organisations motivated primarily by
>> pan-Islamic aims like Al Qaida are very small indeed.
>>
>
>Yes "nationalist" causes like the deliberate, systematic persecution
>of people of other faiths or no faith at all, as practiced to varying
>degrees
>in EVERY islamopig shitocracy on the face of the globe Abdul.
What blinkered, shit-for-brains, socialist idiots like ozzie the fool here
fail to realize --- or more likely purposefully overlook -- is that many
of the apparent nationalist groups like the Moroccan Combat Unit and
whatever the Russian islamist gang in Ossetia calls itself these days are
actually funded, armed and largely run by international islamist groups.
One of the largest and mostly silent supporters of islamist terror all
over the world is the Muslim Brotherhood. When it comes to taqiyya,
those guys are masters............
FACE
Sofa King
islamism is just the polar opposite of the born again christian nutjobs who
think that god belongs in politics and who are tearing apart the GOP.
get used to it.
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"If it doesn't bother you, then you would ignore it." - Spiritus /
USAUSAUSA / etc, lamer.