The REAL Spanish history in North America......... NO SPANISH SPIN or PROPAGANDA ALLOWED
Assimilato
paraphrase David Weber word for word? No wonder they failed your 6th
grade term paper for plagiarism....inability to do your own work and the
inability to use information to come prove a point or come to a
conclusion. Ay Caramba!
Dicky-
rrcrumb wrote:
>
> the history of the Spanish in the present day USA. Let the truth finally be
> told:
>
> From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
> University.
> When Menendez died in 1574, at Santander in Spain, Florida had been reduced
> to
> 2 settlements: St Augustine and Santa Elena. In 1572, Santa Elena's 171
> settlers outnumbered its 76 officers and soldiers. Despite the presence of
> troops, both communities lived in the edge of extinction. Orista Indians
> forced
> the abandonment of Santa Elena in 1576. Spaniards re-occupied it, but left
> it
> permanently after Francis Drake revealed the vulnerability of the Florida
> outposts. In 1586, on route home to England with a substantial force that
> had
> sacked Santo Domingo and Cartagenya, Drake stopped on the Florida coast and
> razed St Augustine, burning its houses to the ground. Drake's assualt on St
> Augustine suggested to Spanish officials the wisdom of consolidating the 2
> sparsely settled and highly exposed Florida communities. Santa Elena was
> believed to occupy the less defensible position. It dissapeared in 1587
> almost
> as violently as if pirates had attacked it. Under orders from the Crown, the
> Spaniards burned the town and dismantled the nearby fort. This time the
> Spanish left ther Port Royal Sound for good. With their livesotck and other
> transportable posessions, the residents of Santa Elena moved to St
> Augustine,
> which became the sole Spanish settlement in Florida.
> By the century's end, only a single garrison remained to sustain Menendez'
> vision of am empire that would control the southeastern port of the
> continent.
> Modest success would also be a by-product of the settlement of New Mexico -
> the
> other salient of the Spanish empire to extend into North America during the
> waning years of the 16th century and the reign of Felipe II.
> From the abandonment of Santa Elena in 1576 until the founding of Pensacola
> in
> 1698, St Augustine was the only Hispanic settlement of consequence in
> Florida.
> It supported a population of just over 500 in 1600, including men, women and
> children and 27 slaves. By 1700, St Augustine's population had risen to
> between
> 1,400 and 1,500 persons including black slaves and Hispanicized Indians.
> Many
> of the Hispanic residents of the town actually lived on outlying ranches and
> farms but maintained their official residence in St Augustine.
> New Mexico, isolated by hundreds of miles form the nearest settlements of
> New Spain, also grew slowly in the 1600's. The number of Spaniards in New
> Mexico in the 1600's probably never exceeded 3,000 - twice the size of
> Florida
> but still a modest number. Through most of the century, New Mexico had only
> one
> formal municipality, the Villa Real de Santa Fe, founded in 1610 under
> viceregal orders by Oniate's successor, Perdo de Peralta.
> Through natural increase and a trickle of immigration, Hispanic Texas
> grew
> slowly, its population rising from 500 persons in 1731 to 1,190 by 1760. Of
> those, 1,190 persons, about 580 lived in San Antonio, 350 at Los Adaes and
> some
> 260 at La Bahia. In 1773, Spain would abandon Los Adaes completely.
> Texas itself languished as one of the least populated provinces of the
> northern frontier of New Spain. By 1790, when the Hispanic population of
> Texas
> stood at 2,510, Nuevo Santander (in present day Mexico) had over 10 times as
> many Hispanics. Only California had a smaller population of Hispanics than
> Texas. In 1790, San Antonio, LaBahia and Nacogdoches had non-Indian
> populations
> of roughly 1,500, 600 and 400 respectively, making them more akin to size to
> the small presidial towns of St Augustine and Pensacola rather than
> provincial
> capitals in central New Spain (Mexico City surpassed 110,000 in 1793; Puebla
> had nearly 53,000; Guanajuato had over 32,000.)
> Texas retained the character of a defense outpost. Although friars and
> soldiers continued to draw up plans to build more presidios and missions to
> the
> north, Spanish Texas failed to grow beyond the 3 points that the marques de
> Aguayo had reinforced in 1721 - San Antonio, LaBahia and Los Adaes. The
> explanation for Spain's failure to develop Texas more fully lies not in the
> allegedly inhospitable nature of the Great Plains or the woodlands of East
> Texas, but in distance, danger and government policies that have advantages
> to
> foreign rivals and in Spanish missions that retarded civilian economic
> growth.
> Like Texas, New Mexico failed to fulfill its original promise. By the
> mid-eighteenth century, the missons had lost their vigor and the number of
> Franciscans had declined. What Spaniards still refer to as the "spiritual
> and
> temporal conquest" never extended beyond El Paso and the narrow sphere of
> the
> Rio Grande Pueblos. Although older, more complex and populous than Texas,
> New
> Mexico still had a scanty Hispanic population through mid-century. In 1765,
> non-Indians numbered 9,580, of whom 3,140 lived in the El Paso district.
> England took posession of Florida in 1763. Eager to salvage its colonists in
> Florida, the Spanish Crown offered free transport to those willing to leave.
> Within a year, Spanish residents of Florida completed a painful exodus,
> selling
> their real estate at bargain prices to English spectulators, and packing
> their
> movable belongings onto crowded vessels. At St Augustine, over 3,000 Spanish
> subjects moved to Cuba. Only a few Spaniards remained behind.
> Spain also evacuated Pensacola, the lone outpost in British West Florida.
> The
> orderly exodus was led by the luckess governor Colonel Diego Ortiz Parrilla.
> Under his supervision, some 700 refugees, including 108 Christian Indians,
> sailed from Pensacola to Veracruz to begin a new life in Meixco. Only one
> Spaniard stayed in Pensacola. Although Spain reacquired the Floridas 20
> years
> later, few of the refugees from St Augustine or Pensacola ever returned.
> After the Yuma revolt of 1781, and the establishment of California's 4th
> presido at Santa Barbara in 1782, no large influx of soldiers or colonists
> arrived, no additional presidios were built, and only one town was
> established
> - a half hearted effort in 1797 to establish a villa near mission Santa
> Cruz.
> The closing of the Sonora road in 1781 had made California dependent once
> again
> on the sea for all communication with New Spain, and the provinve offered
> no
> attractions that would prompt immigrants to make the arduous journey. In
> 1794,
> during a time of tension with England, the total military compliment of all
> 4
> presidios of California was 218 men, including officers.
> Although immigration never exceeded a trickle, the Hispanic population of
> California grew at a healthy rate, from 990 in 1790, to 1,800 in 1800, and
> 3,200 in 1821.
> All residents lived along the 500 mile stretch of coastal plain between San
> Diego and San Francisco.
> Unable to attract colonists from Spain or its American colonies, Spanish
> officials began in the mid-1780's to allow immigrants from the US to settle
> in
> Louisiana and Florida and to obtain generous grants of free land and access
> to
> the Mississippi.
> The Hispanic population of Texas, which had exceeded 4,000 in 1803, fell to
> fewer than 2,000 by 1820 and the town of Nacogdoches nearly expired. The
> last
> Spanish governor of Texas, Antonio Martinez, (1817-1822), sent repeated
> appeals
> to his superiors for relief from "chaos and misery". But his appeals went
> unanswered. In its last years as a Spanish colony, Texas lay in ruins.
> Other than perhaps St Augustine, no Spanish community in North America
> enjoyed
> the rank of city. The most prominent of frontier municipalities remained
> villas, or towns - and those scarcely deserve the name. A visitor to the
> town
> of San Antonio desired the town in 1778 as a place that "resembles more a
> poor
> village than a villa". Its dirt streets were impassable after heavy rains;
> the
> governor housed his family in a small jail for lack of an official
> residence.
JJ Lipari
earth, in your view. So why are you criticizing them?? Or are some whites
better than others?
JJ
rrcrumb <zen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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MudPerson
colonised dry desert regions.
Their descendents still practice "cuadilloism", which treats the Indian
class as serfs.
And they extremely corrupt. In evry Latin country,white Spanish still
rule..and still sack the treasuries.
David Eduardo
"Toniuolevaiavea Manumaleuna" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<The northern europeans colonised a fruitful land, the Spanish mostly
> colonised dry desert regions.>>
>
Venezuela
> are desert?
He was speaking of the areas in what is now the SW USA.
rrcrumb
You know..... According to dumb bunny Mexicans, the only reason the
USA has done well is due to the rich land here in comparison to mostly
dry Mexico.
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>
>"Toniuolevaiavea Manumaleuna" <sam...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000202233532...@ng-cr1.aol.com...
>> <<The northern europeans colonised a fruitful land, the Spanish mostly
>> colonised dry desert regions.>>
>>
Pinata-Boy
with the Natives Americans,and with the Spanish.
The English also preyed on Spanish shipping, with the permission from
the English Crown.
rrcrumb wrote:
>
> MudPerson wrote in message <389880...@tacobell.net>...
> >The northern europeans colonised a fruitful land, the Spanish mostly
> >colonised dry desert regions.
>
> In a search for gold and silver.
>
> >Their descendents still practice "cuadilloism", which treats the Indian
> >class as serfs.
> >And they extremely corrupt. In evry Latin country,white Spanish still
> >rule..and still sack the treasuries.
> >
> >
>
> That's right and if you really are a Puerto Rican like you
> say you are, at least you aren't dispensing the usual
> Hispanic spin and BS.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-10/05/012l-100599-idx.html
> Racism Among Hispanics
> By Richard Estrada
>
> Tuesday, October 5, 1999; Page A17
>
> DALLAS-Everyone knows homegrown racism has occasionally been directed at
> Hispanics in the United States. But here's a question too seldom asked: Is
> the United States importing Hispanic racism directed at other Hispanics?
>
> The phenomenon is a fascinating twist on the traditional discussion about
> race in America, long known as "the American dilemma." But it has arisen so
> often while talking with fellow Hispanics recently that I'm surprised it has
> not come up in public more often than it has. That needs to change.
>
> Sadly, the racism exhibited by some Hispanics against other Hispanics is at
> times more virulent than that directed at Hispanics by European Americans.
> Hispanics imbued with racism are coming to America every day. Unaware that
> however imperfect this country may be when it comes to its ideals, they need
> to know what those ideals are and recognize how imperative it is to try to
> live up to them.
>
> The continuing debate in the Hispanic community about Spanish-language soap
> operas starring blonde, blue-eyed actors and actresses -- as if they were
> representative of the Hispanic population from Tampa to Tierra del Fuego --
> is but the best-known example of this controversy. But Hispanic television's
> exaltation of cream-colored skin over shades of chocolate and cinnamon is
> hardly the entire issue.
>
> A few years ago I was talking to a friend, a woman who happens to be a
> beautiful Cuban emigre with European features. Having just returned from
> Havana, I was regaling her with stories about my visit when she interrupted
> me with a question that discomfited me deeply.
>
> Wasn't it true that so many of the better class of people had abandoned the
> island that Cuba had become very black? She asked the question with obvious
> disapproval on her face.
>
> She was right in her belief that Cubans of African descent are now more
> visible in the society than in the years preceding Fidel Castro's
> revolution. But her unmistakable implication that Cuba's African-origin
> population is undesirable left me speechless.
>
> A couple of months ago, a colleague of mine was reminiscing about the time
> he was in his office in Washington, D.C., and tried to introduce a
> Peruvian-born woman of European origin to a Peruvian-born man of Andean
> Indian background. According to my friend, the differences of race (and
> class) were so great that she refused to shake the man's hand, and turned
> her back on him. "Can't you see he's an Indian?" she asked my friend.
>
> And I hardly have to remind my fellow Mexican Americans about the racism
> that exists in our national subgroup, especially when perpetrated by
> Mexicans of Spanish or other European origin against Spanish-Indian mixed
> bloods -- or by both those groups against indigenous peoples with no
> European background. "Little Indians," they are called.
>
> The issue of sensitivity in discussions about intragroup Hispanic racism
> should not be all that surprising. One has only to consider the tension that
> attends African American dialogues about two-way racism between
> light-skinned and dark-skinned blacks.
>
> But there is a major difference between the American black phenomenon of
> intragroup racism and the Hispanic variation. Hispanics can be of any race
> or national origins group: Just think of President Alberto Fujimori of Peru;
> the Veracruz, Mexico, native Salma Hayek; the Puerto Rican boxer Felix
> Trinidad; the Chilean revolutionary leader Bernardo O'Higgins; or the
> Argentine president Carlos Menem. And within each Latin American nation,
> social history plays a major role in tolerance or intolerance of different
> races and nationalities.
>
> Not for its extreme sensitivity should this complicated issue be ignored.
> First of all, Hispanics and all other groups in this country will best
> defend their own interests by exalting their U.S. citizenship above their
> ethnic origin. Clinging to national origins and old blood ties is a sure way
> of inviting others in the United States to play a game of racism that
> Hispanics are likely to lose.
>
> That leads to the second point. To the degree that Hispanics are already
> victimized by prejudice and discrimination from other groups, they will
> maximize their credibility in challenging that situation by contesting the
> racism that arises within their own community.
>
> Yes, there is a long history of prejudice and discrimination perpetrated on
> Hispanics by what is loosely termed the "Anglo" community. But non-Hispanic
> Europeans are certainly not at the root of all prejudice and discrimination
> against Hispanics. It may not be politically correct to say so, but
> Hispanics should remind themselves that racial justice, like charity, begins
> at home.
rrcrumb
spinning the usual Spanish bullcrap. I was wrong.
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The true Hispanic thoughts about immigration:
"Everything is fair when it comes to love ,war and immigration"
gabri...@aol.com
1/6/2000
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Pinata-Boy wrote in message <3899C4...@tacobell.net>...
Dick the spic-
makes up his own.
Here's some help.
Look up English history,1400-1600
Look up the word,privateer.
Lookup anything on Pirates.
Looking up the phrase "European colonies in the new world" would help.
And make sure the authors are either English or American.
I'll give you one week to look these items up.
I'll expect an apology and a blow job from yer ol'lady at the end of the
week.
Gosharooties...dont they have schools in them thar hills?
Dick the Spic-