Spanish Language OFFICIAL LANGUAGE in the USA
Valkea
a ‘he said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
language of the United States, is not in ‘competition' with the
English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
‘S.40
To declare the Spanish (Castilian) language as the second national
language of the United States of America.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
August 8, 2002
Senator Dianne Feinstein (for herself, Senators Tom Daschle and Pat
Leahy) introduced
the following bill:
A BILL
Parts which follow:
The National Spanish Language Recognition Act
.The purpose of the National Spanish Language Recognition Act is to
formally recognize the Spanish language as the second "national"
language (after English) of the people of the United States of
America. Section 1 Whereas the English language is the primary
national language of the American people, the 2000 Census confirms
that the Spanish (or Castilian) language is by far the second most
spoken language in the United States of America and is the mother
tongue of 28 million Americans (Ages 5 and above) or ten per cent
(10%) of the total U.S. population. Section 2: Whereas Americans of
Hispanic ancestry are the nation's largest minority group with a total
population of 35 million (39 million if Puerto Rico is included) or 13
% of the total U.S. population. Section 3: Whereas the use of the
Spanish language extends the full range of the national territory of
the United States of America and in its overseas possessions of Puerto
Rico and Guam, and has been spoken continuously within its national
boundaries longer then any other language save indigenous languages
and dialects. Section 4: Whereas the modern history of the United
States of America begins with the arrival of the Spanish on October
12, 1492 and the subsequent colonization and exploration of the
American South, Southwest, the Midwest, the Pacific Northwest, and the
territories of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S.
Virgin Islands. Section 5: Whereas the United States of America is
today a multicultural society with a strong Anglo-Saxon heritage that
has also been enriched immensely since its foundation by both
indigenous and immigrant cultures and, in particular, by the Hispanic
culture. Section 6: Whereas the Spanish language is the most popular
language taught in American public and private schools and
institutions of higher learning. Section 7: Whereas the Spanish
language is used as an important means of communication within the
public sector and is necessary to effectively articulate all United
States government communiqués regarding the public safety and
well-being of its citizenry, especially with issues relating to
Homeland Security. Section 8: Whereas, the Spanish language is
currently used by the Executive Office, the Legislative Branch
(Members of Congress), and federal departments and agencies, as well
as by state and local governments. Section 9: Whereas Spanish as an
official language (along with English and French) of the North
American Free Trade Agreement has help create economic opportunities
for millions of Americans and thus exponentially increasing American
exports within North America and beyond. Section 9: Whereas the
private sector of the U.S. economy recognizes the Spanish language as
vital to the domestic economy and as powerful means of tapping into
the $500 billion dollars purchasing power of our nation's Hispanic
community. Section 10: Whereas the Spanish language shall no longer be
referred to as a "foreign language" within the context of national
discourse. Section 11: Whereas the Spanish language is an inseparable
and integral part of the American culture, experience, heritage,
history, identity and tradition. Section 12: Whereas in lieu of
recognizing Spanish as an "official" language of the Government of the
United States that it be recognized by the Congress of the United
States as the second "National" language (along with English) of the
people of the United States of America.'
If you haven't gotten it yet, Spanish was never, I repeat never, a
foreign language in the United States. For the past half millennium it
has been spoken continuously in our nation. 1 in 10 Americans speak
across the land(1 in 4 according to some sources I've read), and yet
there is a fear that paralyzes those who do not accept this fact. I am
one of those ‘1 in 10'. Spanish, alongside English, should become the
official language at the federal level for these United States. People
who compare the hispanophones (Spanish speakers) in the US to the
Quebecois are absurd. As the bill states above, Spanish has national
presence, from Anchorage to Miami to San Juan and from San Diego to
Bangor. Yes, immigration from hispanophone countries in southern
America has swelled the population, but this gives us added impetus to
standardize and collectivize a standard US Spanish, which is found to
be in existence nationwide. The dominant culture may be Anglo-Saxon in
nature, but this does not negate the fact that a Hispanic culture has
had a continual presence here and that it is open to ALL US residents
who utilize their time to learn and acquire the ancient language of
Castile. The US currently suffers from a deficit of humanistic culture
on the global stage, and one way to mitigate this problem is to throw
dollars at groups aimed at developing a rich language with current
ghetto status in our borders to one of prestige as it is found in the
world. These groups include the United States Royal Spanish Language
Academy in New York and the Instituto Cervantes. Otherwise, you will
have a gutter, ghetto language of illiterate semi-barbaric people with
no governmental vessels that assist this tongue to national
prominence.
americankernel
"Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e37e6a5d.0212...@posting.google.com...
> Reading the articles and the posts, it seems that there is nothing but
> a 'he said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
> language of the United States, is not in 'competition' with the
> English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
> learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
> moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
LIAR! This hasn't even been filed. You dipshit lying sack of Mexcrement.
This is a class project for some socialist academician at Syracuse. How
f**king stupid do you think we are?
I've never seen such a lying sack of shit on this newgroup.
Congratulations, you win the award for being the biggest asshole.
Previously, it was held simultaneously by Alciere and Deduardo, although
Deduardo is vying for "lying sack of shit emeritus."
Prick.
--
The American Kernel
>
> 'S.40
Valkea
> "Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e37e6a5d.0212...@posting.google.com...
> > Reading the articles and the posts, it seems that there is nothing but
> > a 'he said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
> > language of the United States, is not in 'competition' with the
> > English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
> > learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
> > moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
>
> LIAR! This hasn't even been filed. You dipshit lying sack of Mexcrement.
> This is a class project for some socialist academician at Syracuse. How
> f**king stupid do you think we are?
>
> I've never seen such a lying sack of shit on this newgroup.
> Congratulations, you win the award for being the biggest asshole.
> Previously, it was held simultaneously by Alciere and Deduardo, although
> Deduardo is vying for "lying sack of shit emeritus."
>
> Prick.
>
> --
> The American Kernel
>
>
-I was given this info by a respected friend who said it was moving
through Congress, so i cannot validate its source. The only sack of
shit is you 'american' kernel. I am not even mexican, but you are
probably the worst kind of red neck excrement white trash turd this
side of powdunk, miss. Regardless of whether this bill is actual or
false, every single word is dripping with HISTORICAL FACT. It makes
you so mad to actually look at 'fucking' history as you put it and
realize that a language spoken in this country's borders for half a
fuckin millenium belongs here more than any other.
you can stroke your own red prick while poaching for mexicans
Valkea
Valkea
University in upstate New York. The bill that was introduced by
Feinstein was never pending in Congress. However, all information
found in the bill is historically accurate, and I challenge anyone,
even imbeciles like kernel, to refute anything as historical
inaccuracy in either the bill or my statement.
BAM
Okay, since nobody else is here to do it, apparently, I'll take a shot at a
couple of easy ones. From your original comments:
"If you haven't gotten it yet, Spanish was never, I repeat never, a
foreign language in the United States. For the past half millennium it
has been spoken continuously in our nation."
A "half millennium" would be 500 years, if I'm not mistaken. "Our nation",
assuming you mean the United States of America, has existed for only about
225 years. How can you speak something continuously for 500 years in a
nation that has existed only for 225 years? That demonstrates that you
really don't understand the concept of nation, and likely have it confused
with continent, which would make any other conclusions highly suspect.
Also, at the time of the founding of the United States, all 13 original
colonies that joined together to form the U.S. were British colonies and
therefore English speaking. A couple of those colonies were originally
settled by the Dutch and Swedish, I believe; but none by Spain and therefore
there would be very little Spanish spoken in any of them and it would be
fairly safe to say that every one of those 13 colonies considered Spanish a
foreign language at that time and therefore the United States that was
formed from them would also consider Spanish a foreign language. I can't
guarantee that no one who lived permanently in those colonies spoke Spanish
as his/her primary language, but it would have been very few and actually
probably none.
From the "bill":
"Section 6: Whereas the Spanish language is the most popular
language taught in American public and private schools and
institutions of higher learning."
The statement is ambiguous as to what it means, but assuming that "most
popular" means "more than any other", I think it is fairly safe to say that
English is still taught (and used) more than any other language. It would
make sense if the word "foreign" or an equivalent word was inserted between
"popular" and "language", but then the point of the bill is to say that
Spanish is not foreign. A bold guess is that "foreign" was originally there
and then pulled.
BTW, what does "The bill that was introduced by Feinstein was never pending
in Congress" mean? If it was introduced, regardless of status, one should
be able to find it at: http://thomas.loc.gov/ .
americankernel
Your premise is horrific. What you're basically saying is that Hamilton,
Madison and Jay, three of our most important founding fathers, LIED to the
American people when selling them on our Constitution.
(Aside to the audience: So, boys and girls, what we've learned here is that
when newbie Valkea gets caught in a fraud, he calls our Founding Fathers
liars in a weak attempt to wiggle out his blunder! What a patriot!)
Did you actually grow up in this nation? We're you schooled here? Was your
education completed recently? If so, I'd love to use your thoughts as a
perfect example as to why the American educational system needs to be
dismantled, particularly the social sciences. May I share your lunacy with
my friends in the GOP? I'm sure they'll find good use for fraudulent,
treasonous legislation written by democtrats. Hah! The fake House
Resolution companion is authored by "Rep. Pelosi!" What a hoot!
You made my day! ROFLMAO!
> It makes
> you so mad to actually look at 'fucking' history as you put it and
> realize that a language spoken in this country's borders for half a
> fuckin millenium belongs here more than any other.
Awww...seems I struck a NERVE. Too bad it doesn't seem to connect to a very
advanced BRAIN! What a maroon! LOL
>
> you can stroke your own red prick while poaching for mexicans
Nope. Thanks anyway. I'm quite content to sit and watch you fume. It
really is hilarious. However, I DO applaud and encourage my friends
gathering each night to protect their land along the southwestern border.
And I wish them good aim.
--
The American Kernel
americankernel
Aside from the bill and its companion being fraudulent sophomoric drivel,
aside from your most base dishonoring of our founders and aside from your
proving to us all that you don't know much about this stuff, what is your
point? That your social studies, history and civics teachers SUCKED?
That sounds about right.
--
The American Kernel
Uncle Cato
>Reading the articles and the posts, it seems that there is nothing but
>a 蘇e said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
>language of the United States, is not in 祖ompetition' with the
>English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
>learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
>moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
[...]
Posting invented things, or carefully misrepresented things, in this
ng won't get you very far, most of the people here are armed and ready
to get to the bottom of things, so you can save your baloney. To most
americans, Spanish is the language of illegal immigration and ethnic
hostility. No one wants it, or cares to glorify it or the people who
use it as their first language.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Well, Spanish, the 2nd language of the United States>>
we have no second language. But I know you Hispanicks are obsessed with forcing
the loser Spansih on the USA, thinking that then the rest of the world will
adopt Spansih as our common language as they do now with English, thus giving
you Hispanicks the position in the world you so desperately crave but are
unable to attain on your own.
<< is not in ‘competition' with the English language, it is just asserting
its native right to be spoken>>
what "right" is that, senyor? Spanish speakers played no part at all in either
creating or developing the USA. You owe your existence in the USA to the Anglos
and their genetic ability to create modern, prosperous societies.
<<To declare the Spanish (Castilian) language as the second national
language of the United States of America.>>
But I thought Hispanicks swear having an official language would be "divisive"?
Forever challenging any attenpt to make English our long overdue official
langauge.
<<.the 2000 Census confirms
that the Spanish (or Castilian) language is by far the second most spoken
language in the United States of America and is the mother
tongue of 28 million Americans>>
translation: Latin Americans are totally unable to create their own successful
countries, so they sneak into ANGLO founded countries (USA) instead. How is
that any different from a 50 year old man that has lived with his mommy his
entire life, still sucks her tit and still wears a diaper?
<<Whereas Americans of
Hispanick ancestry are the nation's largest minority group with a total
population of 35 million....>>
funny, because in 1950, you saw 0.001 Hispanicks in the USA. So how did they
suddenly get so numerous? Look at how Hispanicks wanted no part of the USA
when we were poor and then developing and only wanted in when we were rich.
Fuckin' leeches.
<<Whereas the use of the Spanish language extends the full range of the
national territory of
the United States of America>>
well shit, I can find Chinese speakers in eevry part of the USA. All that means
is that you people were desperate to sneak in here and take part in the society
created by the Anglos.
<< and has been spoken continuously within its national boundaries longer then
any other language save indigenous languages>>
why "save indigenous languages"? Why do you neglect them? Such as Nahautl in
Mexico and Taino in Porto Rico?
<<Whereas the modern history of the United
States of America begins with the arrival of the Spanish on October 12, 1492>>
the people that created the USA were descended from Pilgrims, not Spaniards.
<<and the subsequent colonization and exploration of the American South>>
name me one Hispanick colony in the South.
<<Southwest, the Midwest, the Pacific Northwest>>
name me one Hispanick colony in the Pacific Northwest or the Midwest. List the
Hispanick colonies in the southwest.
<<Section 5: Whereas the United States of America is today a multicultural
society>>
that is a very offensive statement to make. Not offensive in any way to me, but
offensive to Hispanicks.
Because after you cut away the BS, what you really are saying is that you
Hispanicks are not capable of creating your own successful countries as Anglos
are capable of doing and will be sneaking into the USA. I think any proud
Hispanick would find that insulting.
<<with a strong Anglo-Saxon heritage that
has also been enriched immensely since its foundation by both indigenous and
immigrant cultures and, in particular, by the Hispanick
culture.>>
cite the influence of Hispanick culture in the USA. All cultures in the USA
reject Hispanck culture. It's only Hispanicks that practice it.
<< Section 6: Whereas the Spanish language is the most popular language taught
in American public and private schools and
institutions of higher learning.>>
we are required to take a foreign language and are given a "choice" o one
French class mlimited to 5 students and unlimited speakie Spansih classes. If
it was optional, nobody would take Spansih.
<<Section 8: Whereas, the Spanish language is currently used by the Executive
Office, the Legislative Branch (Members of Congress), and federal departments
and agencies, as well
as by state and local governments.>>
is it? Do our courts debate in Spansih? Are our shcools taught in Spansih?
<<. Section 9: Whereas the
private sector of the U.S. economy recognizes the Spanish language as vital to
the domestic economy and as powerful means of tapping into
the $500 billion dollars purchasing power of our nation's Hispanick community>>
if you bastards are so fuckin' rich, why do you sneak into the USA?!
<<Section 11: Whereas the Spanish language is an inseparable and integral part
of the American culture, experience, heritage,
history, identity and tradition. >>
really? Why do I see no Hispanicks in these War of 1812 lists and Civil war
rosters?!
http://www.altonweb.com/history/civilwar/confed/index.html a civil war
prison, record of inmates
http://iowa-counties.com/civilwar/descendants.htm Iowa civil war soldiers
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ne/state/stamilit.htm#1895rost Roster of
Soldiers, Sailors and Marines of the War of 1812, the Mexican War, and the War
of the Rebellion, residing in Nebraska June 1, 1891
http://www.bartleby.com/51/a.html roosevelt rough riders
http://users.aol.com/EvanSlaug/aville.html Civil War rosters
http://www.tngenweb.org/civilwar/crosters/cavb.html confederate military
rosters online
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/franklin/1812/ franklin, NY, war of
1812 veterans
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyharris/1812vets.htm War of 1812 veterans
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> "Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e37e6a5d.0212...@posting.google.com...
> > Reading the articles and the posts, it seems that there is nothing but
> > a 'he said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
> > language of the United States, is not in 'competition' with the
> > English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
> > learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
> > moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
>
> LIAR! This hasn't even been filed. You dipshit lying sack of Mexcrement.
> This is a class project for some socialist academician at Syracuse. How
> f**king stupid do you think we are?
Ah, this harks back to the halcyon days of Wacky Judy and her claims that
Spanish was an official language of the US and was legally mandated to be
taught in all public schools to all students, in the "historically spanish"
areas of the US southwest.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> x-no-archive: yes> news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
> devoid of historical accuracy and perspective.
> It's nothing but wild over-statement and fantasy. It's
> the current nonsense promoted by simpletons and
> ethnic demagogues. Which are you?
She's "the triumphant return of wacky Judy".
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<She's "the triumphant return of wacky Judy".>>
No, the poster used exact words that Davo Glsion uses. Such as the "buying
power of Hispanicks" and the eaxct figure of that buying power. To which I
reply, if they are so goddamned rich, why do they sneak into the USA?! Or if
they came here poor and we allowed them to prosper, we owe them NOTHING! THEY
owe US!
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<in the "historically spanish"
areas of the US southwest. >>
Hispanicks were in inland California for a mere 69 years before USA control.
They were never in Utah, Navada, Colorado or the northern 90% of Arizona, lands
they claimed are "historically" Hispanick.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Lets Roll
> Reading the articles and the posts, it seems that there is nothing but
> a 'he said she said' going back and forth here. Well, Spanish, the 2nd
> language of the United States, is not in 'competition' with the
> English language, it is just asserting its native right to be spoken,
> learned, and developed in a cultural space. Look at this legislation
> moving in that was moving in Congress recently:
<Revolting garbage deleted to halt pollution of cyberspace.>
Your "history" lesson is so shot full of holes it resembles swiss cheese.
You really ought to sue the school responsible for your education because
they missed the target completely, but they apparently never missed your
daily dose of indoctrination.
In the first place, there is NO official national language, but there SHOULD
be one and it should be ENGLISH.
If all 12 - 15 million illegal aliens were rounded up and deported like the
mangy curs they are, that would have a SIGNIFICANT impact on the spanish
speaking population, reducing their total numbers to under 23 million. If
we include the criminals who were given amnasty in 1986, by repealing that
amnasty we would reduce the spanish speaking population by several more
million. Recognition that our constitution never intended things like
anchor babies to have citizenship, and eliminating them from the general
population to return to their parent's country of origin would reduce the
spanish speakers even MORE.
Columbus was not Spanish. He was Italian.
On February 28, 1803, President Thomas Jefferson won approval from Congress
for a visionary project, an endeavor that would become one of America's
greatest stories of adventure. Twenty-five hundred dollars were appropriated
to fund a small expeditionary group, whose mission was to explore the
uncharted West. Jefferson called the group the Corps of Discovery. It would
be led by Jefferson's secretary, Meriwether Lewis, and Lewis' friend,William
Clark.
They were not mexicans.
The United States was never intended by our founding fathers to be a
multi-culti society. Refer to the Federalist Papers in conjunction with our
Constitution. This multi-culti garbage did not take root until long after
the racist Immigration Reform Act of 1965 had begun working its evil and it
became necessary for the power brokers and money changers to sell the idea
to the American people to keep their body parts in tact. Multiculturalism
is a farce from the git-go. If the people selling multi-culti were selling
siding we would call them con artists.
Just because there are a lot of people taking spanish language classes out
of self defense due to the fact they are tired of beating their heads
against the brick wall of trying to communicate with mexicans to curse them
out and be understood does not make it a popular language. What would be a
LOT more popular is if the American people woke up tomorrow morning and were
told in the morning news that anyone heard speaking spanish in public would
be arrested and incarcerated for an indefinite period of time.
There would be zero need for spanish to be used AT ALL in the public sector
or to "effectively articulate all United States government communiqués
regarding the public safety and well-being of its citizenry, especially with
issues relating to Homeland Security" if all illegal aliens dating back to
1970, along with their anchor babies and daisy chains were deported the way
they should have been in the FIRST place.
The Executive Office, the Legislative Branch (Members of Congress), and
federal departments and agencies, as well
as state and local governments.are pandering to 30 years worth of illegal
aliens, and they expect the American people to continue tolerating the
abuses of both the government whores and the unwelcome illegal aliens, most
of whom are mexican.
NAFTA has got to be the single most devastating thing that ever happened to
this country, including the Civil War, Pearl Harbor, and 9/11 combined.
Doesn't it just figure that spanish and mexico would be a part of it.
Instead of having the dreamt of effect of raising mexico out of the stone
age to join Canada and the US in the 21st Century, it has had the opposite
effect of dragging the entire continent down to the level of a third world.
By all rights, if 15+ million mexicans had not crashed the gate as criminal
illegal aliens they would have NO purchasing power and the private sector of
the economy would NOT be spending all those billions of added dollars to
provide everything in a second language. By recent counts, there would have
been at least $20 billion dollars every year for the past 30 years spent in
the American economy, by Americans speaking English, if it were not wired
out of the country by the millions upon millions of illegal aliens who
OCCUPY large portions of our nation.
The only truly relevant history mexico has with the US is the Texas
Revolution and the mexican-American War.
mexico, mexicans and the barbaric language of spanish is foreign and will
always be foreign in the United States of America.
You are right about there being no similarity between Quebec/Canada and
mexico/United States of America.
Quebec was trying to secede. mexico is trying to conquer.
You are right about Anglo-Saxons being the dominant population, and it does
not negate the fact that for the past 30 years millions upon millions of
illegal aliens have abused our good natures and sense of fair play by
violating our laws and raping the sovereignity of our country. We
understand what "open to all" means to hispanics. We have learned all we
want to know of hispanics. Their idea of sharing is a one-way street, all
their way, the only thing of America they abosrb is the cash benefits. That
"uniquenes" of hispanic culture has worn thin, and the one-way sharing is
starting to piss us off in a big kind of way.
Mexico and all the other hispanic countries or outposts I have ever heard
tale of suffer from a deficit of literally everything, including civilized
society. I can't think of a single one which does not "suffer" from being
an award winner on the stage of human rights abuses. How laughable that a
culture which continues to produce some of the most vicious and brutal
crimes against humanity, and animals, should recommend to the US "humanism
on the global stage. "
Bite me.
The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French, and
British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West
Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971, and this Canadian thinks
it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous, and possibly
the least-appreciated, people in all the earth.
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read
of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Well who rushed in with men
and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.
They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges, and the
Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no
foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser
extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in
debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.
When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
streets of Paris. And I was there -- I saw that. When distant cities are hit
by earthquake, it is the United States that hurries into help, Managua,
Nicaragua, is one of the most recent examples.
So far this spring, fifty-nine American communities have been flattened by
tornadoes. Nobody has helped.
The Marshall Plan, the Truman Policy, all pumped billions upon billions of
dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries
are writing about the decadent, war-mongering Americans.
Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
Come on now, you, let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a
plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas
10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except
Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider
putting a man or a women on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about
German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and,
safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers
are not pursued and hounded. They're right here on our streets in Toronto.
Most of them, unless they're breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here.
When the Americans get out of this bind -- as they will -- who could blame
them if they said "the hell with the rest of the world." Let somebody else
buy the Israel bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams, or
design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes." When the
railways of France, and Germany, and India were breaking down through age,
it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of
'em are still broke.
I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other
people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
during the San Francisco earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned tired
of hearing them kicked around. They'll come out of this thing with their
flag high. And when they do, they're entitled to thumb their noses at the
lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not
one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians.
And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in
New Orleans this morning that it was broke.
This year's disasters -- with the year less than half-over -- has taken it
all. And nobody, but nobody, has helped.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gordonsinclair.htm
The best way to mitigate this problem is to start tossing millions of
illegal aliens of all sizes, shapes and flavors out on their humanity loving
behinds. Then we could start cleaning house on the ones who think they are
legal, but need a serious second look since the INS has been so infamous
about being incompetent for the past 30 years. The amensty granted in1986
should be repealed, and resolution should be reached on the unconstitutional
actions of awarding American citizenship to births of illegal aliens, and
the citizenships awarded under those conditions should be repealed.
The borders, waterways, seaports, skyways, every point of egress into this
country needs to be manned by armed guards and the best technology
available. Whether it comes from the private sector or the public sector,
another branch of law enforcement must be brought to order, and I believe is
in the makings. It wouldn't hurt to cut off the flow of billions of dollars
in foreign aid going out of this country through all the channels, from
government spending, to private charities, to aliens wiring American dollars
out of this country. All these other countries have taken our money, spit
in our face, sent terrorists to murder us and infantries to colonize us.
Enough. We are entitled to thumb our noses at any and all of these people.
From the content of your post and considering what the past two generations
of kids have been taught, most especially about their country, I think it is
about time to create a new educational system. Something along the lines of
the Headstart Program, for the American kids who have been disadvantaged by
not learning anything about this country they live in. A mandatory
Americana boot camp would not be out of line when I read such garbage as you
post.
--
Hanged in effigy at Brazoria for wanting peace with Mexico, these "tories"
were: Ira Lewis (1800-1867), Thomas Jefferson Chambers (1802-1865) and
Samuel May Williams (1795-1858).
Valkea
in the continent of America for half a millennium and in the United
States for its entire existence. At the inception of the United
States, Spanish had been continuously spoken in Florida and Puerto
Rico, current US territory, for centuries. The original 13 colonies
were colonies of Great Britain, their primary language being English
and their culture an extension of the one found in Britain. As you
stated, other languages were in existence. Dutch was thriving in New
York, French in Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine, German in Pennsylvania,
Swedish in Maryland/Delaware and Spanish in Georgia. While there was
no clear majority of Spanish speakers in Georgia, there were
significant speakers for the primary currency to be Spanish bullion
and the influence of Spanish Florida next door insured that there was
contact with a Hispanic space and a continuos back-and-forth of
traders, religous people, and settlers. Also, there were failed
Spanish settlements in the Carolinas before the English ever landed in
Plymouth or Jamestown. What is historical fact is that Florida and
virtually all territory west of the Mississippi were at one time under
Spanish jurisdiction, and a Hispanic society was found to be in
existence. The 'Yankees' seized this territory and Spanish-speaking
peoples were ethnically cleansed (The Louisiana Islenos and
inhabitants of the Southwest) and the subsequent cultural colonization
of the Southwest occurred. Today, in the 21st century, while the
Anglo-Saxon culture may dominate and the English language may be 'our'
primary language, Spanish has surged in such a way that has been
highly unexpected. Spanish is the second most taught language in the
United States in education, and obviously English supercedes it.
Spanish is a language that belongs in California just as much English
in Rhode Island. Legislation and Conquest does not negate historical,
cultural, or linguistic fact. The Mexicans that 'flood' into the
Southwest are asserting an indigenous culture that existed prior to
the actual founding of the United States. I have concluded that it is
a waste of my time to convey these facts to bigots like kernel, his
disease of stupidity having impacted his mental operations. The
history of the United States is like a blanket drenched in blood
fluttering in the the currents of global winds.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Thank you for your civil posting. The Spanish language has been spoken
> in the continent of America for half a millennium and in the United
> States for its entire existence. At the inception of the United
> States, Spanish had been continuously spoken in Florida and Puerto
> Rico, current US territory, for centuries. The original 13 colonies
> were colonies of Great Britain, their primary language being English
> and their culture an extension of the one found in Britain. As you
> stated, other languages were in existence. Dutch was thriving in New
> York, French in Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine, German in Pennsylvania,
> Swedish in Maryland/Delaware and Spanish in Georgia. While there was
> no clear majority of Spanish speakers in Georgia, there were
> significant speakers for the primary currency to be Spanish bullion
> and the influence of Spanish Florida next door insured that there was
> contact with a Hispanic space and a continuos back-and-forth of
> traders, religous people, and settlers. Also, there were failed
> Spanish settlements in the Carolinas before the English ever landed in
> Plymouth or Jamestown.
Note the use of the word "failed" with regards to these colonies.
> What is historical fact is that Florida and
> virtually all territory west of the Mississippi were at one time under
> Spanish jurisdiction, and a Hispanic society was found to be in
> existence. The 'Yankees' seized this territory
Your "facts" are far from the record of history. The French bought the
territories which were to be called "the Louisiana Purchase" from the Spanish,
as part of a settlement treaty ending hostilities between France, Spain and
Italy, and later the French sold these territories to the United States.
> and Spanish-speaking
> peoples were ethnically cleansed (The Louisiana Islenos and
> inhabitants of the Southwest) and the subsequent cultural colonization
> of the Southwest occurred. Today, in the 21st century, while the
> Anglo-Saxon culture may dominate and the English language may be 'our'
> primary language, Spanish has surged in such a way that has been
> highly unexpected. Spanish is the second most taught language in the
> United States in education, and obviously English supercedes it.
> Spanish is a language that belongs in California just as much English
> in Rhode Island. Legislation and Conquest does not negate historical,
> cultural, or linguistic fact. The Mexicans that 'flood' into the
> Southwest are asserting an indigenous culture that existed prior to
> the actual founding of the United States.
Not at all. Most of those indigenous people are not at all, nor were they
ever, indigenous to any territory now within the US. Most of these "indigenous
culture" people are in fact from central and south-central Mexico.
> I have concluded that it is
> a waste of my time to convey these facts to bigots like kernel, his
> disease of stupidity having impacted his mental operations. The
> history of the United States is like a blanket drenched in blood
> fluttering in the the currents of global winds.
Nice closing rhetoric. Too bad it's just bombast.
Valkea
considerable, remarkable and virtually unknown in the discourse of
United States history classes taught to high school students in this
nation. From the 1600's persons of Spanish ancestory were existing in
the then 'English' Thirteen Colonies. In 1776 thousands of Hispanics
and Spanish speaking persons(hispanophones) fought the British during
the Revolutionary War. Hispanics directed & provided funds, materiel,
medicine, and other goods to the Continental Army during the US
Revolution: Over 4000 Spanish soldiers died at Yorktown as British
Prisoners of War. Georgia, along with Florida, has been Spanish
speaking from the 1500's. Exploration by Hispanics, led by Hernando de
Soto early in the 1500's took place. In 1526 the first European
settlement was in founded in present day Georgia -San Miguel de
Gualdape. It was founded and settled by Spain, ( 81 years before
Jamestown.) In 1566 - Juan Pardo explored sections of the eastern
seaboard. Spanish Forts in Georgia existed for almost 300 years. The
Spanish were the first Euorpeans to explore the Carolinas. In 1521
expeditions by Hispanics commenced. In 1526 the first settlement by
The Juan Pardo Expeditions established the "Winyah Bay" settlementt
under Spaniard Lucas Vasquez de Ayllen. These forts were established
by the Spanish. FORT MARION on Spanish Point in Beaufort (South
Carolina), a Post-Revolutionary Fort, FORT SAN FELIPE Parris
Island(South Carolina), FORT SAN MARCOS Parris Island(South Carolina),
and FORT FREMONT at Land's End on St. Helena Island(South Carolina).
In 1525, Estaban Gomez, a Spaniard/Portguese, did considerable
exploration of the northeast and eastern Canada. Eager to claim the
northwest passage before France did, the Spanish king agreed to
provide financial backing for Gomez's voyage. In September, 1524,
Gomez left Spain on the ship La Anunciada. He arrived at the Gulf of
St. Lawrence in February, 1525, and spent a winter there. As soon as
possible, he started south, thinking that a passage to India in the
far north would be no better than Magellan's route in the far south.
Continuing to seek a westward route, he explored and mapped the Bay of
Fundy, Passamaquoddy Bay, Mount Desert Island, Somes Sound (which he
named Rio de Montanas,) Blue Hill, Jericho Bay, Eggemoggin Reach, and
the Penobscot River as far inland as the mouth of the Kenduskeag
Stream. He must have reached the Bangor (Maine) area in June of that
year. Gomez named the Penobscot River "Rio de las Gamas" because of
the plentiful deer along its banks. He found the natives to be
friendly and the country "temperate and well-forested," well forested
with oak, birch, olive, and wild grapes. Realizing the Penobscot River
was not the strait he sought but "a famous river with a gret flow of
water," Gomez continued along the North American coast, exploring the
Rio de Juan Bautista (Boothbay), the Rio de Buena Madre (Kennebec
River,) the Rio de San Antonio (Merrimac River), and the site of
present-day Newport, Rhode Island. It is possible he went as far
south as New Jersey. Disappointingly, he found neither a northwest
passage to Asia nor the fabled Norumbega. This all goes to show you
that Spanish galleons plied the Atlantic seaboard long before the
English did and that the United States, historically, is an inheritor
of La Hispanidad, belonging and being a part of the family of Spanish
speaking nations. Now, with 1 in 10 US residents speaking Spanish as
their primary language, the time has come that Spanish be afforded the
respect and admiration it deserves, and become the official language,
alongside English, of these United States.
americankernel
news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
<Fifth grade civics lesson with fact errors snipped>
> I have concluded that it is
> a waste of my time to convey these facts to bigots like kernel, his
> disease of stupidity having impacted his mental operations. The
> history of the United States is like a blanket drenched in blood
> fluttering in the the currents of global winds.
Listen Asswipe,
First, when I'm pointing out the TRUTHS they disdain, "bigot" or "racist" is
the first word I usually hear out of the mouths of most anti-American,
pro-immigrant, socialist dipshits, who've been sedated into masses of
drooling proles by academia and media. I'm used to hearing it. I've
concluded it occurs mainly because they're unable to see the irony in the
accusation because they're PROJECTING. That's a psychological term; you'll
probably have to look it up. Just trust me, you fit the bill perfectly.
Second, YOU perpetrated a FRAUD, you insidious weasel. If you had one
thimble-full of intellect, you'd have checked that heap of excrement out
prior to posting it as FACT. If you had a booger-sized bit of honor within
you, you would have completely retracted and disqualified the initial post.
But you didn't, you just LOVED that sophomoric, ill-advised college project
so much that you HAD to post it and feebly attempt to stand behind it.
Before falling prey to childish pranks in the future, I suggest a quick read
of the Federalist Papers. The words and works of Hamilton, Jay and Madison
would give even those, like you, who seem to suffer from a form of modest
intellectual retardation pause before they considered that crap as having
one iota of validity.
Now, from a quick Google search of my own, I've learned that you are
pro-Cuban and anti-Haitian immigrant in a VERY prejudiced way:
-----------
Posted to soc.culture.cuba, soc.culture.haiti, soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.puerto-rico, alt.politics.republicans on December 3, 2002.
"Miami has been transformed in the last 40 years from a sleepy backwater to
a thriving global metropolis due to cuban ingenuity and know-how. Haitans
stink and practise voodoo."
----------
Hello BIGOT!
Since I grew up and still LIVE in South Florida and was here before the
Cubans, I can tell you that Miami was a thriving, wonderful, growing place
BEFORE the Cubans. It just wasn't as corrupt. We only had the Mafioso
summer homes, rather than the whole county government stealing and cutting
preferential, racist, bigoted deals that excluded the indigenous population.
Both Haitian and Cuban illegal immigrants should be and must be treated the
same way; with a nice firm boot to their posteriors that includes enough
force to make sure they make it back to their homelands and with enough
"sting" that they are discouraged from trying to slither in again.
Further, you can't even get the most basic of facts straight, loser:
---------
Posted to soc.culture.nordic on December 5, 2002.
"The US was built by immigrants, so there is a feeling that everyone is from
everywhere else, but there is still the
general cultural aspects."
----------
Here, you play loose with the facts, but you disrespect others by accusing
them of the same in other posts. Tell me, of the following, which ones were
immigrants?
Benjamin Franklin - 3rd Generation American
John Adams - 4th Generation American
John Quincy Adams - 5th Generation American
George Washington - 4th Generation American
Thomas Jefferson - 4th Generation American
This nation has NEVER had more than 14.8% of its residents as foreign born.
We're not a "nation of immigrants." We're descended from immigrants, just
like every other nation on earth. Plus, I've already mentioned to you that
our founders believed strongly in ONE LANGUAGE, ONE UNIQUE AMERICAN CULTURE,
and ONE COMMON SET OF MORES AND ETHICS, based on Providential grace and
Judeo-Christian underpinnings!
Now, vamos, you pathetic little cockroach.
----
The American Kernel
americankernel
--
The American Kernel
"Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Hispanic/Spanish influence in JUST the original 13 colonies was
> considerable, remarkable and virtually unknown in the discourse of
> United States history classes taught to high school students in this
> nation. From the 1600's persons of Spanish ancestory were existing in
> the then 'English' Thirteen Colonies. In 1776 thousands of Hispanics
> and Spanish speaking persons(hispanophones) fought the British during
> the Revolutionary War. Hispanics directed & provided funds, materiel,
> medicine, and other goods to the Continental Army during the US
> Revolution: Over 4000 Spanish soldiers died at Yorktown as British
> Prisoners of War.
Interesting. The British LOST the Battle of Yorktown. There are no notes,
except for a small group of hispanic liars on the net claiming this to be
so. Only 231 soldiers on BOTH sides died at Yorktown. If the British HAD
captured and killed 4000 Spanish prisoners of war in the 20 days it took to
fight the battle, just how STUPID would those Spaniards have been?
You're an idiot and cannot even do the most basic of fact checking. What a
loser!
So what? In the 30 thousand years prior to the time of the colonization by
those whose descendants founded this nation, there were SCADS of failed
cultures on the land that became the NATION called the USA. Spain failed
too in the northernmost reaches of the continent. Your supposed "points"
don't even equal ONE real point.
> historically, is an inheritor
> of La Hispanidad, belonging and being a part of the family of Spanish
> speaking nations.
Non-sequitur. Stupid. Baseless. Groundless. And really very sad. You're
really out of it.
> Now, with 1 in 10 US residents speaking Spanish as
> their primary language,
That's a bit high. Plus, it is irrelevant.
> the time has come that Spanish be afforded the
> respect and admiration it deserves, and become the official language,
> alongside English, of these United States.
Not in your reconquista loving lifetime, bubbasita. Not a chance. The time
is coming in which your "friends" will be running like the conniving,
anti-American cockroaches they are. The sleeping giant just "turned on the
kitchen light," but the rays haven't hit the floor yet. I just can't wait.
--
The American Kernel
David Eduardo
> > their primary language,
>
> That's a bit high. Plus, it is irrelevant.
Here I agree with you. Nationally, a little over 50% of all Hispanics are
classified as English dominant by Arbitron, the ratings people, who have
done a huge national study of language usage. That means that maybe 16
million Hispanics are Spanish dominant, or just around one in every 19
people.
Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm to
the majority of Hispanics in the US by perpetuating the reconquista myth.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm to
for there to be a "re-conquest", there must have been an original conquest.
Davo, when was that original Hispanick conquest of the USA Southwest? Where
were the battles fought? How many Hispanicks died in the wars? Who were the
leading Hispanick generals?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<The Spanish language has been spoken
in the continent of America for half a millennium>>
So? There have been hundreds of native languages spken in the Americans for
thousands of years. I don;t see what you are getting at.
<<and in the United States for its entire existence.>>
When did the USA ever use Spansih as its langauge?
heck, Nahuatl has been spoken in Mexico for its entire existence. Quechua has
been spoken in Puru for all its existence.
<<At the inception of the United States, Spanish had been continuously spoken
in Florida and Porto Rico, current US territory, for centuries.>>
How many Indians language were used in Florida since the USA was founded?
hundreds?
<<As you stated, other languages were in existence. Dutch was thriving in New
York, French in Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine, German in Pennsylvania,
Swedish in Maryland/Delaware and Spanish in Georgia.>>
But they made up only maybe 10% of the USA at that time, the rest of the
original USA citizens being of English ancestry.
<<While there was no clear majority of Spanish speakers in Georgia, there were
significant speakers>>
where were there "significant" Spansih speakers? be specific, senyor.
<<Also, there were failed Spanish settlements in the Carolinas before the
English ever landed in Plymouth or Jamestown.>>
and your point is what? I have no clue to what you are getting at. And there
were continuous Indian settlements all over the carolinas, senyor. Taino was
spoken all over Porto Rico long before the Spansih ever went there.
<<What is historical fact is that Florida and
virtually all territory west of the Mississippi were at one time under Spanish
jurisdiction>>
really? name me the spanish settlements in Utah, Colorado, the northern 90% of
Arizona, Oklahoma, inland California, Kansas, and anywhere else in the West.
<<The 'Yankees' seized this territory>>
and tell us just how Hispanicks got that land, Senyor.
<<and Spanish-speaking peoples were ethnically cleansed (The Louisiana Islenos
and
inhabitants of the Southwest) and the subsequent cultural colonization
of the Southwest occurred.>>
and that would be different to how all the native speaking Indians in Latin
Americans were "ethnically cleansed"?
<<Today, in the 21st century, while the
Anglo-Saxon culture may dominate and the English language may be 'our'
primary language, Spanish has surged in such a way that has been highly
unexpected. >>
that is a very offensive statement to make. Not offensive in any way to me, but
offensive to Hispanicks.
Because after you cut away the BS, what you really are saying is that you
Hispanicks are not capable of creating your own successful countries as Anglos
are capable of doing and will be sneaking into the USA. I think any proud
Hispanick would find that insulting.
<<Spanish is a language that belongs in California just as much English
in Rhode Island.>>
How so? The English settlers created the economy and society in Rhose Island.
People that are desperate to sneak into California go there specifically to
join the society created by the English speakers.
<<The Mexicans that 'flood' into the
Southwest are asserting an indigenous culture that existed prior to the actual
founding of the United States.>>
Mexicans sneak into the USA southwest, desperate to join the society created by
the Anglos because they are genetically unable to create their own successful
countries.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<the influence of Spanish Florida next door insured that there was contact
traders, religous people, and settlers.>>
what Spansih "influence" in Florida?
From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
University.
When Menendez died in 1574, at Santander in Spain, Florida had been reduced to
2 settlements: St Augustine and Santa Elena. In 1572, Santa Elena's 171
settlers outnumbered its 76 officers and soldiers. With their livestock and
other transportable possessions, the residents of Santa Elena moved to St
Augustine, which became the sole Spanish settlement in Florida.
Spain also evacuated Pensacola, the lone outpost in British West Florida. The
orderly exodus was led by the luckless governor Colonel Diego Ortiz Parrilla.
Under his supervision, some 700 refugees, including 108 Christian Indians,
sailed from Pensacola to Veracruz to begin a new life in Mexico. Only one
Spaniard stayed in Pensacola. Although Spain reacquired the Floridas 20 years
later, few of the refugees from St Augustine or Pensacola ever returned.
By the century's end, only a single garrison remained to sustain Menendez'
vision of an empire that would control the southeastern port of the continent.
Modest success would also be a by-product of the settlement of New Mexico - the
other salient of the Spanish empire to extend into North America during the
waning years of the 16th century and the reign of Felipe II.
From the abandonment of Santa Elena in 1576 until the founding of Pensacola in
1698, St Augustine was the only Hispanic settlement of consequence in Florida.
It supported a population of just over 500 in 1600, including men, women and
children and 27 slaves. By 1700, St Augustine's population had risen to between
1,400 and 1,500 persons including black slaves and Hispanicized Indians. Many
of the Hispanic residents of the town actually lived on outlying ranches and
farms but maintained their official residence in St Augustine.
England took possession of Florida in 1763. Eager to salvage its colonists
in Florida, the Spanish Crown offered free transport to those willing to leave.
Within a year, Spanish residents of Florida completed a painful exodus, selling
their real estate at bargain prices to English speculators, and packing their
movable belongings onto crowded vessels. At St Augustine, over 3,000 Spanish
subjects moved to Cuba. Only a few Spaniards remained behind.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
dicates you people be players on the world stage with Spansih being the
official language of the UN, the world and the Olympics. The only problem is
that you people are genetically unbale to create your own successful countries
from Mexico all the way down south to Argentia. So you have no power with which
to back your loser language and culture. So you try to use the Anglos and the
power of the USA to promote you losers. That's all the USA is to you people.
Just a tool to promote yourselves on the world stage.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<The Hispanick/Spanish influence in JUST the original 13 colonies was
considerable, remarkable......>>
really? Why do I see no Hispanicks in these lists of USA war rosters from the
1800's?
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<From the 1600's persons of Spanish ancestry were existing in the then
'English' Thirteen Colonies.>>
Oh really? Name 1. What % of the total population of the original colonies did
they comprise? 0.00001%?
<<In 1776 thousands of Hispanicks
and Spanish speaking persons(hispanophones) fought the British during the
Revolutionary War.>>
again, name just 1 of them. And list those Hispanicks that died fighting for
the USA in our Revolutionary War.
<<Hispanicks directed & provided funds, materiel, medicine, and other goods to
the Continental Army during the US
Revolution>>
First off, I doubt that. Even if it were true, we also got help from every
other European country, especially France. Do the french then sneak into the
USA and demand that French be made our official language?
<<Over 4000 Spanish soldiers died at Yorktown as British Prisoners of War.>>
BULLSHIT! Cite me any reference that says Spain sent soldiers to fight for us
in our Revolutionary War.
<<Georgia, along with Florida, has been Spanish speaking from the 1500's.>>
oh really? Explain that. Shit, my co-worker speaks fluent Mandarin, does that
make the USA "Chinese speaking"? Russian traders were in Hawaii in 1850, does
that make Hawaii "Russian speaking"?
<<Exploration by Hispanicks, led by Hernando de Soto early in the 1500's took
place.>>
"exploration"? Does that mean looking to steal gold from the natives?
<<In 1526 the first European settlement was in founded in present day Georgia
-San Miguel de
Gualdape. It was founded and settled by Spain, ( 81 years before Jamestown.)>>
BIG FUCKIN' DEAL!!!! What role did that colony play in the development of
Georgia? How many Indian languages were spoken there long before Spanish?
<<In 1566 - Juan Pardo explored sections of the eastern seaboard.>>
What role did that colony play in the development of the USA?
<<Spanish Forts in Georgia existed for almost 300 years.>>
BULLSHIT! By the way, there still stand a Russian fort in Hawaii. It's a
tourist attraction. What is that suppossed to mean? Do Russians then sneak into
Hawaii and declare that Russian should be the official language of Hawaii?!
<<The Spanish were the first Euorpeans to explore the Carolinas.>>
What role did that play in the development of the carolinas? Shit, Alexander
Humboldt was the first European to explore the Orinoco River basin. John
Stephens was the first European to explore the Mayan ruins. Heck, the Chinese
were the first Asians in the Americas. The Hawaiians were the first
Polynesians. What's the point?
<<In 1521 expeditions by Hispanicks commenced.>>
"expeditions"? Do you mean they were looking to steal gold from the natives? An
exploration is what Lewis and Clark did.
<<In 1526 the first settlement by
The Juan Pardo Expeditions established the "Winyah Bay" settlementt under
Spaniard Lucas Vasquez de Ayllen. These forts were established by the
Spanish.>>
What's your point? What role did that colony play in the development of the
USA? Weren';t there thousands of Indian settlements all over the USA long befoe
the Spanish ever came. Likewise for Latin America? So why don;t you them demand
that Nahautl be made the official language of Mexico?
<<FORT MARION on Spanish Point in Beaufort (South Carolina), a
Post-Revolutionary Fort, FORT SAN FELIPE Parris
Island(South Carolina), FORT SAN MARCOS Parris Island(South Carolina),
and FORT FREMONT at Land's End on St. Helena Island(South Carolina).>>
What role did those forts play in the development of the USA?
<<In 1525, Estaban Gomez, a Spaniard/Portguese, did considerable
exploration of the northeast and eastern Canada.>>
He was Portuguese. Do Portuguese them sneak into the USA and demand that
Portuguese be made our official language?
<<Eager to claim the northwest passage before France did, the Spanish king
agreed to
provide financial backing for Gomez's voyage. In September, 1524, Gomez left
Spain on the ship La Anunciada. He arrived at the Gulf of
St. Lawrence in February, 1525, and spent a winter there.>>
What role did that play in the development of the USA?
<<Now, with 1 in 10 US residents speaking Spanish as their primary
language...>>
all that means is that Hispanicks are not capable of creating your own
successful countries as Anglos are capable of doing and will be sneaking into
the USA. It does not mean that the USA has been 10% Hispanick since our
beginning. that is a very offensive statement to make. Not offensive in any way
to me, but offensive to Hispanicks.
Because after you cut away the BS, what you really are saying is that you
Hispanicks are not capable of creating your own successful countries as Anglos
are capable of doing and will be sneaking into the USA. I think any proud
Hispanick would find that insulting.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<The British LOST the Battle of Yorktown. There are no notes, except for a
so. >>
I have heard Hispanicks claim that they fought in our Revolutionary war and
list this incident and these "Hispanciks" as those that fought for the USA.
They neglect to mention that they were actually Frenchmen who were living in
lands ceded to the Spansih in what was once French colonies that then was
turned over to Spansih control. First, the Hispanick account, then the true
account:
http://www.neta.com/%7E1stbooks/leyba.htm
Lt Govenor Ferdinand de Leyba
Colonial Spanish America
Fort San Carlos, Missouri
While the American Revolution was raging, a combined force of British troops
and Indian allies attacked the Spanish controlled city of St. Louis in Missouri
Territory on May 26, 1780.
The Spanish militia garrison of St. Louis was
commanded by de Leyba. The British-Indian force was repulsed in one of the few
defeats suffered by t
he British or their allies in 1780.
Battle of Fort San Carlos, St. Louis, Missouri
The American Revolution
The Spanish militias from surrounding villages
were called in to St. Louis in May of 1780 to help
defend the town from
an attack by a British force of
1200 Canadians and Native Americans.
The Spanish militia participated in the battle on
May 26, 1780 under the command of
Spanish Lt. Govenor Fernando de Leyba.
The Spanish force of 29 regulars and 281 militia was successful in driving off
the attacking force.
This prevented the British from occupying Upper Louisiana and the Upper
Mississippi River.
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/stluismilitia.htm
The following roster was recorded in Royal Spanish records in the General
Archives of the Indies, Cuba.
San Luis de Ilinueses, December 22, 1780
The overwhelming majority of militia members are of French ancestry, but since
becoming Spanish subjects after King Louis XV ceded Louisiana territory to the
King of Spain on Nov 13, 1762, their names have been "hispanicized" (translated
into Spanish).
Officers
Capt. Don Juan Baptista Martinez
Lt. Don Agustin Chouteau
[LH Note: Auguste Chouteau]
Sub Lt. Don Pedro Monta
[LH Note: Pierre or Pedro Montardy came from Ft. de Chartres to St. Louis. He
was the son of Pierre Montardy, a native of Montauban, France. In 1765 he
married Marie Theresa Duchemin at St. Anne de Chartres. He was a merchant and
the lot he owned in St. Louis was subsequently acquired by Auguste Chouteau.
There is no record as to where and when he died.
1st Sgt. Nicolas Roy; 48; France; Trader [with Indians]
[LH Note: A Rene Roy was a "Chirugien major" at Fort de Chartres in 1744 and
died there in 1745. He may have been related to this Nicolas. The name Roy and
Le Roy, however, is quite common among the early French settlers. The Ste.
Genevieve Roys originally came from Canada, but this Nicolas came from France,
as probably did also the "chirugien" with the troops, and hence they may have
been related.]
2nd Sgt. Pedro Quienel; 20; Canada; Trader
[LH Note: Pierre Quesnal, dit Lafleur, married Susan Poupart. He had come to
St. Louis from Kaskaskia and died Oct. 6, 1798. A Quesnal or Guesnel, in 1760,
married Louise Govreau at Ste. Genevieve.]
2nd Sgt. Luis Honore; 25; Ilinueses; Tailor
[LH Note: Louis Honore, dit Tesson, came from Fort de Chartres to St. Louis.
His wife was Magdelaine Petre. From the St. Anne Church records it appears that
he was a witness to a number of marriages, signing his name simply "Honore
Tesson". His son, Louis Honore, junior, married Marie Duchouquette in 1782 in
St. Louis, and in 1788, Therese Creely. Louis Honore-Tesson, senior, received a
grant from St. Ange February 6, 1770, of the block now numbered 16 in St.
Louis. His death occurred in 1807. A son, Francois Honore, married Susanne
Liberge at Ste. Genevieve in 1787.]
1st Cpl. Joseph Labuciera [or Labusciere];24; Ilinueses; Habitant
[LH Note: Joseph Labusciere or Labuxiere. ]
1st Cpl. Pedro Gonon; 36; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: This Pierre Gagnon in June 1780 must have been a resident of Cahokia
because the court there appointed him syndic of the affairs of one Michel
Bellau. A Gagnon lived in Ste. Genevieve in 1769 and may be a relative. Father
Joseph Gagnon was parish priest at St. Anne in 1745 and also may have been
related to this Pierre. There was also in St. Louis a Philibert Gagnon, who
married Mary Claborn (Claybourne), widow of John Newby, evidently an English
woman. But this Pierre Gagnon married Helene Mainville, dit Deehenes, in St.
Louis, A Pierre Gagnon was a "marchand" in Quebec in 1666.]
1st Cpl. Pedro Elias; 36; France; Rower
[LH Note: The name Peter Ellis is found in the St. Louis Archives, but not
"Elias." A grant of land was afterward confirmed to Peter Ellis by the Board of
Land Commissoners.]
1st Cpl. Juan Pedro Porsley; 36; France; Habitant
[LH Note: Jean Pierre Pourcelly, who died in St. Louis October 15, 1789, was
also known by the name of "Provencal," because a native of that province of
France. He was a trader, and married Marguerite Barada, who after his death
married Antoine Flandrin. It seems he left two daughters, one named Mararet,
who married Joseph Laferni or Lafernais, and the other Marie Rose who married
Dominique Huge.]
2nd Cpl. Alexandro Cote; 42; Canada; Habitant
2nd Cpl. Baptista Bibaren; 30; Ilinueses; Mason
[LH Note: This name possibly stands for "Vifvarenne". He may have been a son of
Jean Baptiste Vifvarenne, of Fort de Chartes. The name "Bibaren" is not found
in the old Archives.]
2nd Cpl. Tomas Ubaldy; 38; Italian; Currier
[LH Note: Same as Jean Thomas Waldy. From the Archives it appears that he gave
a mortgage to I. H. Provenchere.]
2nd Cpl. Andres Feneti; 34; Nueva Orleans; Rower
Enlisted Men:
Nicolas Leconte; 40; Canada; Carpenter
[LH Note: A Nicolas Leconte resided afterward at St. Ferdinand (now known as
Florissant), as did also a Guillaume Leconte. They each claimed land in the St.
Ferdinand commons.]
Guillermo Leconte; 36; Canada; Rower
[see note above]
Francisco Delorier [Deslauriers?]; 40; Canada; Blacksmith
Esteban Sumande; 40; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: This name is spelled Soumande in Sulte and in the St. Louis Archives.
From the fact that an inventory was made ot his estate in St. Louis I infer
that he died on one of his trips, although the church records contain no entry
of the fact. A Pierre Soumade was a "Maitre Taillandier" at Quebec in 1666--no
doubt the ancestor of the St. Louis Soumandes.]
Joseph Sumande; 25; Canada; Rower
[Note: A Joseph Soumande claimed 700 arpents of land on the north side of White
River in the Arkansas district.]
Joseph Sanselie; 30; Ilinueses; Habitant
[LH Note: Joseph Chancelier, probably a descendant of Chancelier "chirugien
Major du Fort de Chartres." Joseph and Louis Chancelier, his brother, came on
the first boat with Chouteau to where St. Louis now stands. Joseph was only 14
years old at that time and Louis not much older. Joseph married Elizabeth
Becquet, the daughter of the miller and Louis married Marie Louise Deschamps.
Joseph died in 1784 at the age of 34 and Louis the fol lowing year. ]
Antonio Gotie; 26; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Antoine Gauthier, married Elizabeth Becquet, widow of Joseph
Chancelier. He moved to St. Charles where he was an officer in the militia and
in command of the Fort "San Juan del Misuri" above St. Charles, presumably
where the village of Charette afterward stood.]
Juan Baptista Laflanbuesa; 23; Canada; Rower
Francisco Vigo; 35; Italian; Merchant
[LH Note: Francois Vigo, a native of Genoa, a trader, partner of Leyba in the
fur trade. He gave great aid to the Americans during the Revolutionary War and
the Virginia forces in the Illinois country. He removed to Vincennes where he
died. He was a conspicuous character in the early annals of the West.]
Antonio Galve, Sr; 50; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Should be Calve, senior, long a prominent person in the Indian trade
and acting as Indian agent for the English. He was suspected of double dealing
by them and was also not in favor with the Spaniards for a time. He acted as
agent or clerk for Datchurut and Viviat at one time, and then seems to have
lived at Ste. Genevieve. He died at Florissant.]
[The above note by Louis Houck is in regard to a Joseph Calve. It is
questionable if this is the same person as Antonio Calve. Joseph Calve at Fort
de Chartres, married Therese Marchal. In 1768 he returned to St. Louis. He was
a suspect in a robbery that took place in the city, and fled. His home and
property were auctioned to pay his debts. It is reported he was later cleared,
charges dropped, and property restored. In 1786 he removed to St. Ferdinand
(Florissant) where he died 17 August 1817. He had a son, killed by indians and
a daughter (Josette Marie) who married Joseph St. Germain. Source: History of
Hazelwood 1790-1974; Hazelwood Historical Society]
Antonio Galve, Jr.; 17; Ilinueses; Rower
[LH Note: Joseph Calve, junior, was killed by the Indian in the attack on
St.Louis.]
Luis Potie [Potier?]; 50; Ilinueses; Habitant
Felizberto Ganon; 50; France; Habitant
Gabriel Serre; 45; Canada; Merchant
[LH Note: Gabriel Cerre, came to St. Louis from Kaskaskia about this time. For
a number of years he was the leading merchant and trader in the western
country, and was a very prominent man in those early days.]
Lorenzo Derroge; 34; Canada; Storekeeper
[LH Note: A Laurent Derocher had a settlement right on the Dardenne, and this
may be the same person.]
Joseph Cale; 36; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Joseph Calais resided for a time in the town of St. Louis, but
removed to Florissant where he received a grant of land in the St. Ferdinand
Commons.]
Antonio Lahe; 28; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: This name may stand for La Hage.]
Juan Baptista Hortez; 40; France; Carpenter
[LH Note: This Jean Baptiste Hortez (Hortes) should not be confounded with
Joseph Alvarez Ortiz, usually spelled Hortiz. This Ortiz or Hortiz was a native
of Spain. But Jean Baptiste Hortes came from Bearne in France, the same place
where
Laclede was born, with whom he came to America. He arrived in St. Louis in
1768, and in 1782 married Elizabeth Barada, who was born at Vincennes, Sept.
27, 1764. He died in 1814, but his widow attained the age of 104 years, and
died in St. Louis in 1868.]
Joseph Teneroso; 35; Canada; Rower
Lorenzo Basedonio; 40; France; Rower
Juan Lous Lacroia; 27; Nueva Orleans; Storekeeper
[LH Note: Jean Louis la Croix came up from New Orleans, and was declared the
sole heir of Jean Baptiste Hervieux. A Louis Ia Croix married Marie Louise
Chouqette at Ste. Genevieve in 1765; in 1770, upon the death of his first wife,
he married Marguerite Tellier and in 1778 upon the death of the latter he
married Francoise le Beau. But the latter was a son of Pierre Ia Croix and
Jeanne Barette, his wife, natives of Quebec, Canada. The name of Ia Croix, it
should be remembered, was common in Canada.]
Juan Baptista Sabua; 40; Canada; Habitant
Juan Maria Papin; 40; Canada; Mason
[LH Note: This is Jean Marie Pepin, dit Lachance, who was a son of Jean Pepin
and Marie Louise Marchand, of the parish of St. Jean, I'isle Orleans, Quebec.
In 1765 he resided in Ste. Genevieve, where in 1779 he married Catherine
Lalumandiere. He was a mason by trade. This Pepin is very often confused with
Joseph Marie Papin, a fur trader, who came to St. Louis from Canada in 1770 and
married a daughter of Madame Chouteau. In 1790 this Jean Marie Pepin was
detained in irons at Cahokia in custody of Tom Brady "huissier" because of
being "a disturber of the public peace in this village" and instigating "a
sedition against the (Cahokia) court." He was ordered to be taken under guard
to the Mississippi and commanded to cross to the Spanish part of the Illinois
country and "never to reappear in this village." Illinois Historical
Collections, vol. ii, p. 437 a seq. In St. Louis he also gave the Spanish
authorities trouble.
Houck's History of Missouri, vol. I, p. 320.]
Francisco Verio; 35; Canada; Mason
Luis Laflor; 35; Canada; Mason
[LH Note: Louis Lafleur. Probably Louis Lambect, dit Lafleur. See Houck's
History of Missouri, vol. ii, p.203.]
Ignacio Brigpohe; 42; Canada; Trader
Rene de Pre; 34; Canada; Cooper
[LH Note: Dupre, probably related to Louis and Jean Baptiste Dupre, whose names
appear in the St. Louis Archives. A Claude Dupre was a "maitre chirurgien" at
Ste. Genevieve in 1774.]
Pablo Laderruta; 26; Ilinueses; Rower
[LH Note: Paul laderoute may have been a son or relative of the Rollet
Laderoute who died in St. Louis November 15, 1775. From the St. Anne church
records it appears that Michel Rollet, dit Laderoute, was a "soldat" at Fort de
Chartres in 1762. He was a native of Dauphine, France, and in 1763 married
Marguerite la Grain. He came to St. Louis on the boat with young Auguste
Chouteau.]
Antonio Ladusor; 38; Canada; Habitant
Luis Lasudray; 38; Ilinueses; Rower
[LH Note: A Louis Lassoudray filed a complaint against one Demeau and Le Page
in Clark's Court at Cahokia in 1779, but they were acquitted and given the
"Privalage to prosicute the said LaSoudray" and this probably caused him to
come to St. Louis. From the St. Louis Archives it appears that he had some
business with Gabriel Cerre. In 1746 a Sieur De la Soudray Monbrun was an
officer at Fort de Chartres.]
Joseph Marchoteau; 25; Ilinueses; Carpenter
[LH Note: Joseph Marcheteau dit Des Noyers, a brother of Louis. He married
Madeline Robert at Cahokia, and after her death Elizabeth Leduc. One of his
daughters, Jeanne, married Charles Routier, a second, J. B. Becquet, and a
third, Catharine, Francois Bissonette.]
Noel Brunet; 34; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Noel Burnet or Brunet. From the St. Louis Archives it appears that he
had some business with Joseph Calve, but no other entry is found. A Cecille
Brunet claimed a lot afterward at Florissant before the Board of Land
Commissioners. A Cecille Brunet is also a witness at a marriage recorded in the
St. Anne church records in 1726, as was also Elizabeth Brunet. From this I
infer that Noel likely came to St. Louis from Fort de Chartres. Isaac Brunet
was enumerated as a person not married living on l'Isle d'Orleans in 1666.]
Luis Chavalie; 32; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Louis Chevalier, who came from Cahokia, was a sub-lieutenant under
Captain Pouree, afterward in the expedition against Fort St. Joseph, and a man
"well versed in the language of the Indians," and for his services in this
expedition the governor of Louisiana was ordered by the King to bestow on him
an appropriate "gratification." He married Helen Tayon and died in St. Louis in
1801. He owned a grant of 40 arpents adjacent to St. Louis.]
Joseph Duchene; 40; Canada; Habitant
Antonio Sansy; 40; Canada; Mason
[LH Note: Antoine Roussel, dit Sanasouci, married Francoise Vifvarcenne.]
Nicolas Chorret; 46; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Nicolas Choret]
Pedro Debo; 26; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Pierre Lebeau ?]
Pedro Pepen; 26; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: The Pierre Papin who claimed 800 arpents vacant land before the Board
of Land Commissioners may be the Pedro Pepen of the text.]
Juan Baptista Lamarina; 25; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Jean Baptiste Lamirande. A Joseph Lamirande, who had business
dealings with Antoine Dejarlais, appears in the St. Louis Archives.]
Juan Porte; 30; Canada; Rower
Todos Santos Paran; 30; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Touisaant Parent or Parant. A Pierre Parans in Ste. Genevieve came
from Beaupre, Quebec, Canada. Charles Parant was a resident at Fort de Chartres
in 1748. His wife was Marie Barbe Le Viconte who lived in St. Louis after his
death.]
Pedro Lerru; 25; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Pierre Leroux or Larue. A Jean Larue lived in Kaskaskia.]
Francisco Borrosie; 33; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Francois Bourisse or Barrasseau.]
Luis Beno; 40; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Louis Renaud or Renon. A Charles Renon, dit Arnaux, dit Leveille,
lived in Kaskaskia. This name is also found in the St. Louis Archives.]
Juan Lepir; 50; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Jean Lapierre.]
Nicolas Guion; 40; Canada; Blacksmith
Luis Liret; 38; Canada;Rower
[LH Note: Louis Lirette.]
Carlos Balle; 50; Canada; Hunter
[LH Note: Charles Valle, married Marguerite Cardinal at Kaskaskia, whence he
came to St. Louis.]
Pedro Vizonete; 38; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Pierre Bissonette]
Joseph Beno; 45;Canada; Hunter
[LH Note: Joseph Renaud or Renon.]
Andres Vequet; 18; Ilinueses; Rower
Andrea Vizonete; 38; Canada; Rower
Juan Baptista Probanche; 43; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Jean Baptiste Provenchere, married Marie Pepin, widow of Bissette.]
Anrry Orra; 45; American; Habitant
[LH Note: Henry 0 'Hara, from Kaskaskia, claimed 300 arpents on Glaize a
Baquette near St. Louis.]
Joseph Marichar; 26; Ilinueses; Rower
[LH Note: Joseph Marechal]
Antonio Marichar; 36; Ilinueses; Habitant
[LH Note: Antoine Marechal lived at St. Ferdinand in 1796.]
Francisco Chole; 28; Canada; Rower
Jacobo Marichar; 40; Ilinueses; Habitant
[LH Note: Jacques Marechal.]
Lorenzo Michon; 40; Canada; Hunter
[LH Note: Laurent Michon, a name found in the St. Louis Archives.]
Joseph Ribet; 36; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Joseph Rivet claimed land extending from the river St. Ferdinand to
the Missouri. He was a son of Pierre Rivet and Marie Demaret, and died in St.
Louis in 1789.]
Amable Demarre; 35; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: This name is not found in the St. Louis Archives. The name of Des
Marest is found in lower Louisiana as land claimant.]
Pedro Cudorche; 44; France; Merchant
Joseph Par; 40; Canada; Rower
Silvestre Labadia; 43; France; Trader
[LH Note: Sylvestre Labadie.]
Bernardo Dubal; 38; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Bernard Duval.]
Joseph Papen; 36; Canada; Merchant
[LH Note: This must be Joseph M. Papin who came to St. Louis from Montreal with
his father Joseph Papin in 1769. His father married Marguerite Laforce there
and died in St. Louis in 1772. Joseph Marie married Marie Louise Chouteau. He
died Septemeber 18, 1811.]
Carlos Simono; 40; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Charles Simoneau married Marie Picard and the lots he owned in St.
Louis afterward were claimed by Charles Gratiot.]
Francisco Vizonete; 50; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Francois Bissonette married Catharine Marcheteau, dit Des Noyers, and
came over to St. Louis from Cahokia. He died in 1787. He was probably a son of
Jean Bissonette, a native of Canada, who settled in the Illinois country at an
early day.]
Joseph Basor; 26; Ilinueses; Rower
Basilio Basor; 23; Ilinueses; Rower
Luis Vior; 40; Canada; Hunter
Baptista Vizonete; 34; Canada; Rower
Pedro Choteau; 22; Nueva Orleans; Merchant
[LH Note: Pierre Chouteau.]
Juan Baptista Cambas; 44; France; Carpenter
[LH Note: He constructed and completed the first Catholic church of St. Louis.
He sold his lot in St. Louis to Guillaume Herbert, dit Lecompte.]
Joseph Caze; 20; Ilinueses; Rower
Joseph Tayon; 28; Ilinueses; Farm Laborer
[LH Note: Joseph Michel, dit Taillon or Tayon.]
Luis Chil; 25; France; Rower
Juan Pablo Tembal; 43; France; Merchant
Luis Rover; 38; Ilinueses; Habitant
Francisco Corno; 43; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Francois Corneau, whose will, giving his property to Jean Baptiste
Bienvenue, dit De Lisle, was found in St. Louis.]
Baptista Cantara; 38; Canada; Hunter
Pedro Bernie; 30; Canada; Rower
Pedro Sorret; 35; Canada; Carpenter
Joseph Labrose; 43; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Joseph labrosse. He died in 1798. ]
Joseph Verdon; 46; Canada; Carpenter
[LH Note: Joseph Verdon, who married Vistoire Richelet.]
Luis Dubroy; 38; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Louis Chauvet Dubreuil, a native of Rochelle, France, came to St.
Louis in 1765, where for many years he was a leading trader. He married Susanne
Saintous in St. Louis in 1772, and died in 1794, leaving a widow, two sons, and
nine daughters. His widow died in 1825. One of his daughters, Clarissa born in
1790. married Edward Hempstead January 13, 1808, at Ste. Genevieve where the
family then resided.]
Pedro Durbois; 28; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: This may be Pierre Dubois.]
Luis Fallar; 30; Canada; Rower
Alexandro Balle; 33; Canada; Hunter
[LH Note: Valle]
Juan Probo; 36;Canada;Hunter
[LH Note: Jean Prevot ?]
Alexandro Michon; 38; Canada; Hunter
Luis Mercie; 44; Canada; Rower
[LH Note: Louis Mercier]
Antonio Huder; 34; Canada; Rower
Luis Chatelero; 40; Canada; Trader
[LH Note: Collet spells the name "Chattelreau" but perhaps it is
"Chatelherault." In the American State Papers the name is spelled
"Chattlereau." The property of this Louis was sold in St. Louis by the
"huissier."]
Salomon Paty; 26; American; Hunter
[LH Note: This name may stand for Salomon Petti or Petit, a name found in the
Archives. The name of Patty I have been unable to discover. This Salomon
claimed land in the St. Charles district.]
Pablo Guitar; 45; Canada; Habitant
[LH Note: Paul Guitard]
Summary
Sergeants 3
Corperals 8
Enlisted Men 96
Total 107
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Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<However, all information
found in the bill is historically accurate, and I challenge anyone, even
imbeciles like kernel, to refute anything as historical
inaccuracy in either the bill or my statement.>>
DO YOU WANT ME TO GET OUT A MAGNIFYING GLASS AND RESEARCH EVERY GODDAMNED TIME
THE USA LENT MOENY OR ASSISTED LATIN AMERICA IN ANY GODDAMNED WAY, AND THEN
DELCARE THAT THE ANGLO INFLUENCE IN LATIN AMERICA IS IMMENSE AND THEN DEMAND
THAT ENGLISH BE MADE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF LATIN AMERICA??!!
ANGLO THREADS IN LATIN AMERICA
INTRODUCTION
The contributions of Anglos to the development and success of Latin America are
woven into almost every segment of the region's history. To envision Latin
America untouched by Anglos is to imagine a region without much of its folklore
and many of its achievements.
Anglo Heritage Month celebrates the Anglo contribution to Latin America.. It
also lets us recognize that Latin America's cultural diversity--and the
contributions of all its citizens--have made Latin America's fabric strong
throughout its history.
Latin America has a rich history that goes back 500 years. Anglos have always
played major roles in building this region and making it a better place.
From the Wars of Independence that freed Latin America from Spain to the
Malvinas War, Anglos have proudly served this region in the Armed Forces. And
throughout Latin American History, Anglos have prominently participated in
building the area; in medicine and science; in entertainment, business,
education, civil rights, and politics; and in the great Latin American pastime
of baseball.
BEGINNING WITH REVOLIUTIONARY ROOTS
When the colonies In Latin America rebelled against Spain, Anglos played a
pivotal role.
• Thomas Jordan, a Confederate general responsible for early codes used in
spying on Washington, after the war led the Cuban revolutionary army as
Commander-in-Chief, training its generals and in 1870 routing the Spaniards at
two-to-one odds.
• James Hamilton Tomb, a Confederate engineer on the innovative
semi-submarine ship David, accepted a post-war offer from the Brazilian emperor
as technical expert on torpedoes (submarine mines) in the Paraguayan War of
1865-1870.
• John Randolph Tucker, head of the Charleston Confederate Naval Squadron,
accepted a post-war position as Vice-Admiral heading the combined
Peruvian-Chilean fleets in a Pacific conflict against Spanish coastal
incursions.
• John Newland Maffitt, who before the war captured illegal slave-trading
ships, served the Confederacy as the CSS Florida's commander. Afterwards, he
served in the Paraguayan war and commanded the Cuban gun-runner Hornet.
• Thomas Jefferson Page, a Confederate naval commander who learned of the
war's end in Cuba after sailing the ironclad CSS Stonewall from Spain, settled
in Argentina, his son becoming an Argentine naval commander, his grandson an
admiral.
Latin American armies also used munitions invented and made in the USA by
Anglos. The USAo offered moral to support to the revolutionaries.
CREATING LATIN AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY
Look at any household in Latin American today, and the contributions of the
Anglos are obvious. Television was invented by Anglos. Cars you see in Latin
America were made in the USA. Cameras used to take family pictures were made in
the USA. Gas stoves were invented by Anglos. Any computers seen in Latin
Americas were made in the USA by Anglos. Cellular telephones, made in the USA
by Anglos. Telephones. Electricity. All invented by Anglos. Plastics. The
transistor that revolutionized electronics, invented by Anglos.
BUILDING LATIN AMERICA
The technology that made possible the construction of high rise buildings and
bridges came from Anglos, Steel used to build skyscrapers came from Anglos. The
technology needed to pave the roads came from Anglos. Construction equipement
all made in the USA. It was Anglo technology and inventions in civil
enginnerring that allowed the modern construction to take place in Latin
America,
DEFENDING THE NATION
• James Hamilton Tomb, a Confederate engineer on the innovative
semi-submarine ship David, accepted a post-war offer from the Brazilian emperor
as technical expert on torpedoes (submarine mines) in the Paraguayan War of
1865-1870.
• the San Patricio turncoats that defected from the USA Army and fought for
Mexico in the USA-Mexican war of 1848.
• the weaponry used to defend Latin American countries was all made and
developed in the USA by Anglos.
• many Latin American generals were sent to training in the USA
• the USA liberated Panama from the tyrannical Noriega.
• the Monroe Doctrine issued by the USA that forbade Europeans from
interfering in the affairs of the western hemisphere.
ENRICHING MEDICINE AND SCIENCE
Anglos have contributed much to the fields of medicine and science. In fact,
nobody else in the world has contributed more than Anglos. Go to any Latin
American hospital and the tools of the trade were all developed in the USA.
Medicines were all developed in the USA. Doctors from Latin America were
trained in the USA in USA schools.
ENTERTAINING THE COUNTRY
It was the Anglos that developed the tools to create the entertainment
industry. They invented the movie camera, sound systems, taping, and many US
movies have been shown in Latin America.
ACHIEVEMENT IN SPORTS
It was the Anglos that invented baseball and soccer, the 2 most popular sports
in Latin America.
Anglo contributions to the growth and development of Latin America have been
many. As this region looks forward to the 21st century, Anglos will continue to
play a major role in meeting the challenges ahead.
ANGLO THREADS IN AMERICA was written by Leusogafofoma'aitulagi Fonoimoana,
mechanical engineer.
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Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<However, all information
found in the bill is historically accurate, and I challenge anyone, even
imbeciles like kernel, to refute anything as historical inaccuracy in either
the bill or my statement.>>
Hispanicks have deluded themselves into thinking they were an integral part of
the USA from the beginning. Macho Hispanick pride will not let them think any
other way. I saw one list of "HIspanciik Confederates", a list compiled by
Hispanicks of their people that fought in the Civil War. It was fuckin'
pathetic. It was actually a list of Anglos from the South who had moved to
Latin America after losing the Civil War. PATHETIC!
Confederate:
• The Cuban patriot Narciso López approached Mexican War heroes Jefferson
Davis and Robert E. Lee in 1848 with the request to head a liberation army to
free Cuba from Spain -- Lee seriously considered the offer, but turned it down.
• José Agustín Quintero, a Cuban poet and revolutionary, ably served
Confederate President Jefferson Davis as the C.S. Commissioner to Northern
Mexico, ensuring critical supplies from Europe flowed through Mexican ports to
the CSA.
• Santiago Vidaurri, governor of the border states of Coahuila and Nuevo
León, offered to secede northern Mexico and join the Confederacy; Jefferson
Davis declined, afraid the valuable "neutral" Mexican ports would be then
blockaded.
• The Spanish inventor Narciso Monturiol offered the Confederacy his advanced
submarine Ictineo to smash the Federal blockade. Never purchased, Jules Verne
apparently based the Nautilus on this, the world's most advanced vessel of the
day.
• Ambrosio José González, a famous Cuban revolutionary, served Confederate
general P.G.T. Beauregard as his artillery officer in Charleston; earlier, in
New York, he helped design the modern Cuban and (inversed) Puerto Rican flags.
• The Mexican Santos Benavides, a former Texas ranger, commanded the
Confederate 33rd Texas Cavalry, a Mexican- American unit which defeated the
Union in the 1864 Battle of Laredo, Texas. He became the only Mexican C.S.
colonel.
• Thomas Jordan, a Confederate general responsible for early codes used in
spying on Washington, after the war led the Cuban revolutionary army as
Commander-in-Chief, training its generals and in 1870 routing the Spaniards at
two-to-one odds.
• Lola Sanchez, of a Cuban family living near St. Augustine, had her sisters
serve dinner to visiting Federals, while she raced out at night and warned the
nearest Confederate camp. The Yankees thus lost a general, his unit and a
gunboat the next day.
• Loretta Janeta Velazquez, a Cuban woman, claimed to have fought in the war
disguised as a Confederate soldier, Lt. Harry Buford. She chronicled her
amazing and harrowing adventures in an account called The Woman in Battle.
• James Hamilton Tomb, a Confederate engineer on the innovative
semi-submarine ship David, accepted a post-war offer from the Brazilian emperor
as technical expert on torpedoes (submarine mines) in the Paraguayan War of
1865-1870.
• Hunter Davidson, a Confederate torpedo (submarine mine) scientist, assumed
the head of the Argentine Torpedo and Hydrographic Bureau for some years,
training its leadership, and retired to Asunción, Paraguay, where he is
buried.
• John Randolph Tucker, head of the Charleston Confederate Naval Squadron,
accepted a post-war position as Vice-Admiral heading the combined
Peruvian-Chilean fleets in a Pacific conflict against Spanish coastal
incursions.
• John Newland Maffitt, who before the war captured illegal slave-trading
ships, served the Confederacy as the CSS Florida's commander. Afterwards, he
served in the Paraguayan war and commanded the Cuban gun-runner Hornet.
• Thomas Jefferson Page, a Confederate naval commander who learned of the
war's end in Cuba after sailing the ironclad CSS Stonewall from Spain, settled
in Argentina, his son becoming an Argentine naval commander, his grandson an
admiral.
• Mexican service influenced Confederate general Stonewall Jackson; he often
spoke Spanish endearments to his wife, Anna. • After the war, many prominent
governors and other Confederates established a colony, Carlotta, in Mexico.
Union:
• Admiral David G. Farragut, a Southerner, was also Hispanic, his father
Jorge Ferragut being from Spain. Fluent in Spanish, the admiral served the
Union navy and is remembered for saying "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead."
• Federico Fernández Cavada, a Cuban, served the Union army with distinction
at Gettysburg, and later wrote his famous Libby Life, describing Confederate
prison. After the war, he led the Cuban revolution, but was captured and
executed.
• Julio P. Garesché du Rocher, a promising Cuban of French extraction,
designed Washington's defenses and served General William Rosecrans as chief of
staff. At Stone's River (Tenn.), a cannon ball decapitated Garesché, ending a
brilliant career.
Revolution:
• Bernardo de Gálvez, Governor of Spanish Louisiana, defeated the British
during the American Revolution at Baton Rouge, Mobile, Pensacola, St. Louis and
in Michigan, diverting away thousands of British troops as America's forgotten
ally.
More Info? Check Out These Fine Books
Books:
• Richard H. Bradford, The Virginius Affair, 1980
• Light Townsend Cummins, Spanish Observers and the American Revolution,
1775-1783, 1991
• James W. Daddysman, The Matamoros Trade: Confederate Commerce, Diplomacy
and Intrigue, 1984
• Ella Lonn, Foreigners in the Confederacy, 1965 (reprint, 1940 edition)
• Andrew Rolle, The Lost Cause: The Confederate Exodus to Mexico, 1965
• Ronnie C. Tyler, Santiago Vidaurri and the Southern Confederacy, 1973
• Frank de Varona (ed.), Hispanic Presence in the United States: Historical
Beginnings, 1993
• David Werlich, Admiral of the Amazon: John Randolph Tucker - His
Confederate Colleagues and Peru, 1990
• John O'Donnell-Rosales, Hispanic Confederates, list of several thousand who
served the Confederacy, 8 1/2 x 11, 90 pp., paper, (1997), reprint 1998. cost
is $18.00. order: item #9362, Clearfield Publishing Co., 200 E. Eager St.,
BAltimore,
http://gulib.lausun.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/cl71.htm
JULIUS P. GARESCHE COLLECTION
BIOGRAPHICAL DATA:
Julius Peter Garesch·du Rocher was born in Cuba on April 26, 1821. His
grandfather Jean Garesch·had added the name du Rocher from an estate of
Julius's great-great-grandfather, after the custom of the younger sons of
French nobles, in order to distinguish himself from his elder brothers. "du
Rocher" would later be dropped from the family name. Julius's father Vital
Marie Garesch·du Rocher married Mimika Louisa Bauduy, eldest daughter of
Pierre Bauduy of Wilmington, Delaware, in September 1809. She was Catholic, and
the Garesch·family was staunchly Protestant. Born in Cuba, while Vital Marie
was stationed there with the U.S. government, Julius was, however, baptized in
a Catholic church since that was the only tolerated religion in the country at
the time. In 1827, the Garesch·family returned to the United States, and
settled in New York. Then, some time in 1829 or 1830, the family relocated to
Wilmington, Delaware, residing at Mimika's family home at Eden Park.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
BAM
> Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm
to
> the majority of Hispanics in the US by perpetuating the reconquista myth.
>
>
futile...
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
Hispanicks is offensive and that they need to accept English as our language if
they are going to sneak in here and join the society created by the English
speakers.
Subject: Re: Sitting Bull and the Sioux
From: "JRWolf" JRW...@barefoot-NOSPAM-creations.com
Date: 12/03/2002 6:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <1Y2H9.12206$bq3....@news.bellsouth.net>
The common language in this country
is English and anyone living here should be expected to know it.
However, it is the majority of US citizens who are lazy in this area in that
they are mono-lingual. I have yet to meet a
European who was mono-lingual.
americankernel
news:1oXH9.3457$Uy3.93...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "americankernel" <america...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1iXH9.246142$NH2.17173@sccrnsc01...
> >
> >
> > --
> > The American Kernel
> > "Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > Now, with 1 in 10 US residents speaking Spanish as
> > > their primary language,
> >
> > That's a bit high. Plus, it is irrelevant.
>
> Here I agree with you.
Awww. Jeeez! My head exploded. Now I have to go buy a new one...and than
clean grey matter off the walls. Damn!
> Nationally, a little over 50% of all Hispanics are
> classified as English dominant by Arbitron, the ratings people, who have
> done a huge national study of language usage. That means that maybe 16
> million Hispanics are Spanish dominant, or just around one in every 19
> people.
>
> Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm
to
> the majority of Hispanics in the US by perpetuating the reconquista myth.
Is it even safe to assume that Valkea is human?
--
The American Kernel
Sandy Myers
We will take back this country and kick those anit-American leeches out
of here.
Sancho Panza
"D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ask6ol$daf$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net...
>English-speaking people populated and built the Southwest; Spanish-speaking
people were way outnumbered by Apaches and
Navajos and Comanches and others. Those are the original languages of the
area. The Spanish-speakers controled nothing, occupied little, and built
nothing.
Even you cannot be saying that Santa Fe, San Antonio, Los Angeles, San
Diego, etc. etc. are Indian names.
--
I know my ancestors' P.O.E. Do you know yours?
Sandy Myers
Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with the inlfux of millions of
illegal immigrants from Mexico sneaking into this country? So we
should now honor the Spanish language and put it right up there with
English in this country! Two wrongs don't make a right.! We should
honor the language of a bunch of law-brakers? They don't respect our
country, its citizens, culture or language , so now we should
accomodate and honor them and their language? Give me a break!
Sandy Myers
before the founding of the U.S. and it became an English speaking
country. It costs a lot of money to print everything in two languages
now. It is irritating to say the least to listen to people conversing
in Spanish at work, in public and now we have to hear it thru
announcements in stores. I have nothing againist people keeping their
cultures/langages alive at home but when out in mainstream America,
speak the common language of English! United we stand, divided we
fall!
David Eduardo
"Sandy Myers" <sk...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12120-3D...@storefull-2115.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> So 1 in 10 people in the U.S. speak Spanish as their primay language?
The figure is more around 1 in 19.
Uncle Cato
wrote:
LOL Yeah, that just about sizes them up. They are really trying to
work that last part there too. Can't wait to demonstrate to the
american people that all that is as hollow as a Halloween pumpkin.
Uncle Cato
Sorry to interrupt, folks, this'll just take a minute.
[RANT WARNING]
Ahem...
What the FUCK are any of these fifth column (if they only had the
aptitude) stankin hi'spanic racist looozers doing sullying
soc.culture.nordic with their simian key-taps?
Let me say right here, that I'm of "nordic" parentage, on both sides
of my family, and if ANY brooding, white-hating, 5 foot nothing
hi'spanic individual thinks that "nordics" are a natural target of
their worthless spic racial crap, they can make every attempt to take
it out on me, that they can muster. This Nordic was born and raised in
America, and is unfortunately accustomed to the intrinsic
self-worthlessness of hi'spanics, as people in the Nordic countries
are not. Bring it on, if the winds of fate do bring me to the border,
this nordic-american _understands_ and will not be playing the games
or rhetoric that some americans allow themselves concerning these
jokers from the south. I guarantee that every hispanic I interact with
will grasp this entire issue and understand it's resolution, in a
blink.
Uncle Cato
<america...@msn.com> wrote:
Sorry to interrupt, folks, this'll just take a minute.
[RANT WARNING]
Ahem...
What the FUCK are any of these fifth column (if they only had the
aptitude) stankin hi'spanic racist looozers doing sullying
soc.culture.nordic with their simian key-taps?
Let me say right here, that I'm of "nordic" parentage, on both sides
of my family, and if ANY brooding, white-hating, 5 foot nothing
hi'spanic individual thinks that "nordics" are a natural target of
their worthless spic racial crap, they can make every attempt to take
it out on me, that they can muster. This Nordic was born and raised in
America, and is unfortunately accustomed to the intrinsic
self-worthlessness of hi'spanics, as people in the Nordic countries
are not. Bring it on, if the winds of fate do bring me to the border,
this nordic-american _understands_ and will not be playing the games
or rhetoric that some americans allow themselves concerning these
jokers from the south. I guarantee that every hispanic I interact with
will grasp this entire issue and understand it's resolution, in a
blink.
>----------
Uncle Cato
wrote:
>
LOL Yeah, that just about sizes them up. They are really trying to
Lets Roll
"Uncle Cato" <cata...@usbastards.org> wrote in message
news:23d2vucr2qik767tj...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 05:58:35 GMT, "americankernel"
> <america...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >"Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
> >
<snip>
GO, CATO, GO!!!
--
Hanged in effigy at Brazoria for wanting peace with Mexico, these "Tories"
were: Ira Lewis (1800-1867), Thomas Jefferson Chambers (1802-1865) and
Samuel May Williams (1795-1858).
Nicolas Garcia
HAHAHA
you make me laugh sooo hard!!!
bring it on, dude!!!!
you should pair up with mister MAMALEUNA, he adores whites!!! maybe
something good may come out of your union??? hehehehehehehe
PATHETIC!!!!!!
Nicolas Garcia
HISPANICS are making more inroads into AMERICA than you into hispanics.
Plain and simple. get used to it, dudes!!! hispanics are here to stay, no
matter what BS you guys whine about!!!
might as well get used to it!
and trust me, your threats scare noone!!
it is all a bunch of hot air!!
but keep it coming, it makes for good conversation with my pals!!
americankernel
news:Pine.GSO.4.33.02120...@skat.usc.edu...
We will, cockroach. Mark my words. We will.
> you should pair up with mister MAMALEUNA, he adores whites!!! maybe
> something good may come out of your union??? hehehehehehehe
>
> PATHETIC!!!!!!
Is that your signature? I thought so. You're a disgrace to your
university.
--
The American Kernel
americankernel
Oh, so you have three or four other scumbags you talk your raza shit with.
Big F'ing deal, asshole.
--
The American Kernel
Valkea
United States history, and I still assert that the 'bill' is
historical fact. Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
25,000. Spanish jurisdiction extended at one time from Oregon to
Florida, and claims from Alaska to the Virgin Islands. This is actual,
factual, history, not drivel. Those that have come to the United
States from spanish-speaking america are looking at these facts and
they are endeavoring to rejuvenate a language that has been spoken in
United States territory from the time of her inception. The
anglo-saxon culture so valued by idiots like yourself have established
caste systems. This society may be materially prosperous but
spiritually devoid. Spanish gives the impetus for cultural rethink and
examination, because it is ours. Why is Chinese not spoken? It was not
the language of our orginal and true explorers, colonizers, and
founders. Chinese was never a majority language, like Spanish was at
one time in the southwest and florida. Spanish was a lingua franca for
native american groups and administration in the spanish and later
mexican southwest. If a FOREIGN culture, like the anglo-saxon one, is
forced upon the southwest, then you will continue to live in sick
domination of lies and the continued incompatibility of the mexicans
into the mainstream. THANK GOD that 'the mexicans' are 'flooding' the
southwest. This is our salvation. Idiots like you and the rest of your
dumbass gang paint a picture of collapse, but this is not true. When
the US is spanish speaking, then there will be full social inclusion
in a harmonious society for every single human being regardless of
background. The 'loser' culure here, as one so aptly puts it, is the
anglo-saxon southwestern united states.
Valkea
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761557681&pn=2
In 1565 Spanish conquerors and explorers established the settlement of
Saint Augustine in what is now Florida. It was the first permanent
European settlement in what is now the United States. In the 1600s and
1700s Spanish explorations and settlements extended the Spanish
language north from Mexico into present-day Arizona, California,
southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Texas. When the United States
annexed these areas following the Mexican War (1846-1848), many of the
region's Spanish-speaking inhabitants remained, creating a distinct
linguistic and cultural population in the southwestern United States.
After the Spanish-American War (1898), the United States gained
control over Cuba, Guam, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico
. Many Spanish speakers from these countries moved to the United
States. The immigrants primarily settled in neighborhoods in
California, Florida, New York, and New Jersey, where they continued to
use Spanish.
americankernel
What you describe, with their loathing of their hosts and host culture and
insistence, can be termed as an "inassimilable mass." It's kind of like
what happens when someone gets badly constipated, but consisting of PEOPLE,
not bowel obstructions. However, sometimes it IS hard to tell the
difference between the two.
What we truly need in America today is a hefty dose of "Mexamucil" via
hard-nosed, kick-ass immigration reform.
--
The American Kernel
Tiny Human Ferret
>
<snips>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761557681&pn=2
>
> In 1565 Spanish conquerors and explorers established the settlement of
> Saint Augustine in what is now Florida. It was the first permanent
> European settlement in what is now the United States. In the 1600s and
> 1700s Spanish explorations and settlements extended the Spanish
> language north from Mexico into present-day Arizona, California,
> southern Colorado, New Mexico, and Texas. When the United States
> annexed these areas following the Mexican War (1846-1848), many of the
> region's Spanish-speaking inhabitants remained, creating a distinct
> linguistic and cultural population in the southwestern United States.
Why yes. A distinct linguistic and cultural population in the SW USA, but a
very SMALL distinct linguistic and cultural population.
They were greatly outnumbered by the natives, and both the latins and the
natives soon became greatly outnumbered by the US Americans.
By the way, there is NO official language in the US, certainly it's not
Spanish.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Uncle Cato wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:26:13 GMT, "BAM" <bamnxx...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm
> > >to
> > >> the majority of Hispanics in the US by perpetuating the reconquista myth.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >We are the Hispanic Borg. We are eternal. We will return. Resistance is
> > >futile...
> > >
> >
> > LOL Yeah, that just about sizes them up. They are really trying to
> > work that last part there too. Can't wait to demonstrate to the
> > american people that all that is as hollow as a Halloween pumpkin.
> >
> >
> HISPANICS are making more inroads into AMERICA than you into hispanics.
> Plain and simple. get used to it, dudes!!! hispanics are here to stay, no
> matter what BS you guys whine about!!!
> might as well get used to it!
SO, Mr Garcia... are you talking about US-citizen Latinos... or are you
talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS?
Try to be clear on the point.
> and trust me, your threats scare noone!!
I'm not sure if you will take this like a thoughful person would... but for
maybe every 1 of those making threats, there are a dozen making plans. And
most of these assume that the same thing is going on among the Illegal Aliens,
we're absolutely convinced that such planning is happening in the Criminal
Alien community, especially among the transnational Gangster communities.
> it is all a bunch of hot air!!
It's going to be very interesting to see what changes occur now that L.A. has
a new police chief.
> but keep it coming, it makes for good conversation with my pals!!
--
Tiny Human Ferret
TROLL.
americankernel
> United States history, and I still assert that the 'bill' is
> historical fact.
Revisionist, reconquista historical farce that must be stamped out.
> Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
> her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
> 25,000.
So, what? "Pig latin" has been spoken by children for generations, but they
usually get over it by their teens. What's the non-assimilating hispanic
excuse?
> Spanish jurisdiction extended at one time from Oregon to
> Florida, and claims from Alaska to the Virgin Islands. This is actual,
> factual, history, not drivel.
Since the UNITED STATES bought or took over claims of the Spaniards in what
is now the contiguous US mainland and outlying states and territories,
previous Spanish jurisdiction has been a virtual total historic irrelevancy.
What IS historically relevant is that our founders strongly insisted that we
not allow "foreign and alien sovereignties" to gain a foothold in this
nation because it would be a threat to our union. Further, they felt JUST
as strongly that the goal of ALL native born Americans, and those who
immigrate here, should be to speak one language, ENGLISH, and adopt ONE set
of customs, mores and culture. They foresaw the various subtle FLAVORS of
Americanism is various places, but they kept insisting that LANGUAGE is the
"glue" that must be common to hold us together.
Anything else you posit is either irrelevant, inflammatory (as our founders
warned) or treasonous, since what we have occurring is tantamount to an
invasion. You are in league with the enemy and will be the kind of person
we're going to be watching closely after we shut the borders and begin the
much-needed extraction of alien irritants.
> Those that have come to the United
> States from spanish-speaking america are looking at these facts and
> they are endeavoring to rejuvenate a language that has been spoken in
> United States territory from the time of her inception.
Tough shit. It's against our founders' wishes and people who come here with
that attitude should be denied entry. Period.
> The
> anglo-saxon culture so valued by idiots like yourself have established
> caste systems.
If you believe you're on a lower rung, that's where you are. Nothing gets
in the way of any other group of immigrants who truly wish to become
American. Why's that? Why is it that a certain segment of hispanics that
seems to be stubbornly against becoming truly Americanized, thus are
shunning MOST of the pathways toward success in this nation? Then they have
the nerve to complain or enlist professional whiners like you.
Their station in life is their own fault; don't come whining to us about
some supposed "victimhood" when your "friends" are here illegally, denigrate
our history and culture, and suck at the tit of our social systems because
they cannot "get ahead" while insisting on clinging to that gutter language
they so adore.
> This society may be materially prosperous but
> spiritually devoid.
Hmm. Billy Graham might both agree AND disagree with you on that. Any
cultural spiritual problems we may have spring forth from the very same
people and groups who are for open borders, multiculturalism and diversity:
liberals and our quasi-socialist academicians. They depend on the
maintenance of a "victim class" for their intellectual sustenance. They
want God removed from our culture with the same fervor that they wish to
allow it to be overrun by immigrants who are here for the dough, not for
becoming American.
> Spanish gives the impetus for cultural rethink and
> examination, because it is ours.
Oh, so tell me about the wonders of the "spiritually prosperous" criminal,
corrupt immigrant leaders in Miami. You wish nothing but to bring America
to the GUTTER!
> Why is Chinese not spoken? It was not
> the language of our orginal and true explorers, colonizers, and
> founders. Chinese was never a majority language, like Spanish was at
> one time in the southwest and florida.
Chinese is not spoken because the Chinese who come here, for the most part,
want to become part of America, not a separatist subculture. They want ALL
the doors open to them, so they learn the language. They're pretty smart.
What's your excuse?
> Spanish was a lingua franca for
> native american groups and administration in the spanish and later
> mexican southwest.
We have allowed the southern border to be too indistinct. That is changing
and you are not going to like the result. After the next terrorist attack,
it's gonna get real messy when we find that the seeds of destruction came
via Mexico.
> If a FOREIGN culture, like the anglo-saxon one, is
> forced upon the southwest, then you will continue to live in sick
> domination of lies and the continued incompatibility of the mexicans
> into the mainstream.
Awww. I feel so sorry for you. Your dream is going to die a pathetic death
and nobody in history is going to be upset. Failed cultures become
footnotes. You're about to learn all about it.
> THANK GOD that 'the mexicans' are 'flooding' the
> southwest. This is our salvation. Idiots like you and the rest of your
> dumbass gang paint a picture of collapse, but this is not true. When
> the US is spanish speaking, then there will be full social inclusion
> in a harmonious society for every single human being regardless of
> background. The 'loser' culure here, as one so aptly puts it, is the
> anglo-saxon southwestern united states.
In your dreams. The day will come,and soon, when middle America will rise
up and remove the tumor that the Mexican influx represents. Will you go
with them? We'd surely appreciate it!
--
The American Kernel
David Eduardo
> United States history, and I still assert that the 'bill' is
> historical fact. Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
> her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
> 25,000.
You are an idiot. Dutch has been spoken here since well before the existence
of the USA as a nation. French, too. And a hundred or maybe ten times a
hundred Indian languages and dialects. So has Hebrew, Greek, Latin and
German.
The eventual objective of everyone in this country should be to have the
ability to communicate in English.
Whether some of us disagree with the preservation of Spanish as a second
tongue among Hispanics, there should never be any loss of perspective about
learning and using English.
Whether some of us disagree about how fast people can learn a language,
either the immigrants themselves or their children must learn English.
Whether some of us disagree about immigration policy and implementation, we
have laws that are not enforced and far too many immigrants of all types for
our nation and economy to support.
Whether some of us disagree about the contribution of Hispanics to today's
USA, we have to fold all new immigrant groups into the US society... of
course, the groups will add something to our overall culture, but they
shouldn't be in opposition to it.
All of us agree that you are a mindless, bigoted racist fool.
charles bash
posts in this thread to date. So I hope I am not repeating a prior
Suggestion on this important subject.
Owing to the Free Speech constitutional protection of the First
Amendment, " scholars" and possibly a Court or two, have declared that
a constitutional amendment is required to make a Language, (any
language) the Official national language of the United States of
America.
The proper way to do this, (these days) is for the House & Senate
to pass a bill (2 /3rd majorities) for the president to sign, to propose
Amending the constitution, declaring English to be the Official language
of the USA and proposing to the legislatures "of the Several states" to
so modify the constitution in this respect. By a 3 /4th vote of the
state legislatures the constitution will be so Amended. (Constitution
Article V)
In 1996, (I believe) the House passed such a resolution, but the
Senate Never took up the issue. President Clinton (the rotten Bum)
stated that he would Veto any such bill that came to his desk as
"devisive".
I can't see this country continuing down the path to official
Bi-Lingualism (Spanish & English) very much longer. We Must have a
language Amendment Bill presented to the State Legislatures very soon
before Bi-Lingualism becomes unstopable. Do we Really want to follow in
the Footsteps of Canada? Bi-Lingualism in addition to being a
serious Drag on the Canadian economy, has lead to movements for
"Separatism". Do we want that too?
Charles Bash
<<< Although the American people have come trom many lands,, the Great
thing about Americans is, they speak a Common language. In the Soviet
Union we speak many languages and this has SERIOUSLY HINDERED the
developement of the Soviet Union.>>>
=== Mikhail Gorbachev,,,,,,1987,,,Perestroika
charles bash
posts is simply Glorying in the prospect of a Spanish speaking America.
<<< THANK GOD that "the mexicans" are "flooding" the southwest. This
will be full social inclusion in a harmonious society for every single
human being regardless of background.>>>
Let Valkea understand, that when America becomes a harmonious
Spanish speaking country, don't expect it to be a Democracy any longer.
Here's what Simon Bolivar had to say about Hispanic democracies;;;
<<< Leading a Democracy in Latin America is like Ploughing the
Sea.>>>
Bolivar was a Famous freedom fighter in the early decades of the 19th
century, and his fighting leadership, did in fact, lberate most of south
Amerca from Spanish rule.
Charles Bash
Nicolas Garcia
the only place we hear this RAZA crap is from your filthy mouth, mister.
Nicolas Garcia
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Sancho Panza" <otter...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:asqm5k$js9$1...@news.monmouth.com...
> Spanish-speaking people also named the Moon -- La Luna, but
> they never built or lived in or even visited the place either.
>
>
>
hehehehe
that's the best you can come up with??????
hilarious!!
Nicolas Garcia
> Nicolas Garcia wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Uncle Cato wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:26:13 GMT, "BAM" <bamnxx...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> Even I have to agree that valkea is a nutcase. She/It does enormous harm
> > > >to
> > > >> the majority of Hispanics in the US by perpetuating the reconquista myth.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >We are the Hispanic Borg. We are eternal. We will return. Resistance is
> > > >futile...
> > > >
> > >
> > > LOL Yeah, that just about sizes them up. They are really trying to
> > > work that last part there too. Can't wait to demonstrate to the
> > > american people that all that is as hollow as a Halloween pumpkin.
> > >
> > >
> > HISPANICS are making more inroads into AMERICA than you into hispanics.
> > Plain and simple. get used to it, dudes!!! hispanics are here to stay, no
> > matter what BS you guys whine about!!!
> > might as well get used to it!
>
> SO, Mr Garcia... are you talking about US-citizen Latinos... or are you
> talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS?
>
> Try to be clear on the point.
the LEGAL kind, mister ferret.
>
>
> > and trust me, your threats scare noone!!
>
> I'm not sure if you will take this like a thoughful person would... but for
> maybe every 1 of those making threats, there are a dozen making plans. And
> most of these assume that the same thing is going on among the Illegal Aliens,
> we're absolutely convinced that such planning is happening in the Criminal
> Alien community, especially among the transnational Gangster communities.
>
I do not believe that a tall. hogwash!!
> > it is all a bunch of hot air!!
>
> It's going to be very interesting to see what changes occur now that L.A. has
> a new police chief.
>
yes it is going to be interesting, I hope he creates change in my city!!
I support any change he wants to implement if ti will bring good to the
community.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> "Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
> > Kernel, I just need to state that I have had many fine instructors of
> > United States history, and I still assert that the 'bill' is
> > historical fact. Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
> > her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
> > 25,000.
>
> You are an idiot.
<snips of accurate rating of this set of argument>
>
> All of us agree that you are a mindless, bigoted racist fool.
Well, I don't know for sure if I will go that far, however, as for your
summation of "you are an idiot", allow me to say "mee tooooo!"
This person is using one of the most excessive cases of "if the exception,
thus the rule, if you put the cart before the horse".
Personally, I do believe the Amish could be pursuaded to laugh loudly at this
person, in German.
americankernel
news:HoqI9.8087$5C6.29...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
> > Kernel, I just need to state that I have had many fine instructors of
> > United States history, and I still assert that the 'bill' is
> > historical fact. Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
> > her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
> > 25,000.
>
> You are an idiot. Dutch has been spoken here since well before the
existence
> of the USA as a nation. French, too. And a hundred or maybe ten times a
> hundred Indian languages and dialects. So has Hebrew, Greek, Latin and
> German.
Yes, perfectly true.
>
> The eventual objective of everyone in this country should be to have the
> ability to communicate in English.
Absolutely.
>
> Whether some of us disagree with the preservation of Spanish as a second
> tongue among Hispanics, there should never be any loss of perspective
about
> learning and using English.
We do disagree on this, but so far, so good.
>
> Whether some of us disagree about how fast people can learn a language,
> either the immigrants themselves or their children must learn English.
Agreed.
>
> Whether some of us disagree about immigration policy and implementation,
we
> have laws that are not enforced and far too many immigrants of all types
for
> our nation and economy to support.
Oh my God! I agree with THAT, too!
>
> Whether some of us disagree about the contribution of Hispanics to today's
> USA, we have to fold all new immigrant groups into the US society... of
> course, the groups will add something to our overall culture, but they
> shouldn't be in opposition to it.
Yes, but the various groups sheer numbers need to be limited and further
growth temporarily halted. Now. But, I agree for the most part.
>
> All of us agree that you are a mindless, bigoted racist fool.
Agreed.
David...you know, this is probably one of the seven signs of the apocalypse.
--
The American Kernel
>
Uncle Cato
<nico...@skat.usc.edu> wrote:
>
>
> HAHAHA
>
> you make me laugh sooo hard!!!
>
> bring it on, dude!!!!
>
>you should pair up with mister MAMALEUNA, he adores whites!!! maybe
>something good may come out of your union??? hehehehehehehe
>
>PATHETIC!!!!!!
I'm not racial disoriented, nor do I love/hate races who aren't
bothering myself and my country, but I will consider the offer if I
can find him in my killfile.
You make Usenet too easy Nicholas, and I sure you're actually a pretty
funny guy. I can't help picturing you yelling "PATHETIC!" over your
shoulder, as some redneck "moves you along" bipedally down through the
desert around Douglas.
Uncle Cato
bash) wrote:
> C is highly opinionated, to say the least, and in (her?) many
Funny thing is, people like "Valkea" are probably a prime example of
the "americanization" of 80's anchor babies. Miseducated and
misopinionated, just like the worst suburban white kids, gliding
through the liberal school system. All that's left are hormones &
factoids, trying to find some kind of order. She/it probably thinks
that More Mexico will give Anchors the identity that american schools
no longer instill in children, of any backround.
Sancho Panza
> > Spanish-speaking people also named the Moon -- La Luna, but they
never built or lived in or even visited the place either.
> hehehehe that's the best you can come up with?????? hilarious!!
Of course, if one never experiences much outside his fortress home and its
nearby watering hole (restricted, no doubt), how could one even know about
history like Santa Fe being an actual real, ohmigosh, capital. In such a
case, as we see here so often, one can only project assertive and offensive
misinformation and even non-information.
Uncle Cato
Dude, Paisono, whatever:
We're not going to "get used to it". Things do change, I've watched
things change, time and again. I've watched things that people once
thought ridiculous come true, in fairly short stretches of time too. I
currently watch the younger and dimmer mexicans up here take this
situation for granted, and from that respect, they are just like some
of their younger, dimmer american counterparts. You are living purely
in the present, and apparently informed by that. Wadda genius.
I don't say what I do to scare mexicans, nor I do make idle threats.
Your friends aren't gonna leave with a bang, most are gonna leave with
a whimper. You and your friends will be struggling to "get used to
it", I strongly suspect.
Uncle Cato
Darnit, I just read this, and I see I forgot who I was talking to.
I Retract this Reply! Mexicans are unable to recognise mild words like
this as anything but a sign of weakness. Graceless people.
Let me start over...
>and trust me, your threats scare noone!!
I assume this means that I scared you.
Hey Nick, I have a sneeky suspicion you're just a lame-o. If one
american speaking his mind, with a view that a majority of ordinary
americans share, backs you up against the seat, you've got a heap of
scares coming into your life at some point not far off.
(I don't really _want_ you to believe me btw, I'd rather you were
educated by events, pitiless man that I am. Idle threats are for
mexicans, and obviously, I'm not mexican.)
And while I'm being petty, who do you think is going to hire you and
put up with you after you get out of there? Whites and our associates
are the people with the better-smarts and the money, without us you
are competing on your actual value along with other raza. Yes, the
actual, intrinsic value of a mexican on the job market! Limited
options, Paison, and very limited upward-mobility in any case.
Mexicans are so damn ineffective about concealing their hostility
toward the anglo-man, they just can't seem to do it, and that is gonna
matter a _lot_. No one trusts you guys at all, they see the way you
are now.
Remember The Alamo!
(and I don't mean rent-a-cars)
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<HAHAHA
you make me laugh sooo hard!!!
bring it on, dude!!!!
something good may come out of your union??? hehehehehehehe>>
there goes Neek Gomez with yet another original, independent, intellectual
thought.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Plain and simple. get used to it, dudes!!! hispanicks are here to stay, no
matter what BS you guys whine about!!!>>
that is a very offensive statement to make, Gomez. Not offensive in any way to
me, but offensive to Hispanicks.
Because after you cut away the BS, what you really are saying is that you
Hispanicks are not capable of creating your own successful countries as Anglos
are capable of doing and will be sneaking into the USA. I think any proud
Hispanick would find that insulting.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Spanish has been spoken in these United States for her entire existance>>
really? Where was Spanish spoken in the USA in 1776?
Hmm, seems to me Nahuatl was spoken in Mexico long beofre the Spaniards came.
So why isn;t Nahuatl the official language of Mexico?
<<Spanish jurisdiction extended at one time from Oregon to Florida, and claims
from Alaska to the Virgin Islands.>>
oh really? List the Spanish settlements in those areas. List the Spansih
influence. Name the Spanish settlements in Oregon. Name the Spanish settlements
in Alaska, Utah, Colorado and Nevada.
<<Those that have come to the United
States from spanish-speaking america are looking at these facts....>>
The facts are that Hispanicks came to the USA form Latin America desperate to
get the hell out of their countries and to join the society created by the
English speakers.
<< Why is Chinese not spoken?>>
Because the Chinese did not create the USA. They came here to take part in the
society created by the English speakers.
<<Chinese was never a majority language, like Spanish was at one time in the
southwest and florida.>>
and nor was Spansih. The Indians has isolated towns in tiny parts of the
southwest. The Indians didn;t use Spansih.
<<If a FOREIGN culture, like the anglo-saxon one, is forced upon the
southwest>>
"forced upon"? Did Anglos demand into Spanish society and go all out to sneak
into those societies and then force English on the people?
<<The 'loser' culure here, as one so aptly puts it, is the anglo-saxon
southwestern united states.>>
really? Then why do people from all over the world want to sneak into our
society and not Latin America?!
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Spanish has been spoken in these United States for
her entire existance, regardless of whether it was one person amongst
25,000. Spanish jurisdiction extended at one time from Oregon to
Florida, and claims from Alaska to the Virgin Islands. This is actual,
factual, history, not drivel. Those that have come to the United
States from spanish-speaking america are looking at these facts and
they are endeavoring to rejuvenate a language that has been spoken in
are you people then looking to rejuvinate Nahautl in mexico, Quechua in Puru,
Mayan in the Yucatan? Taino in Porto Rico? Arawak in Cuba? You Hispanciks come
to the USA for one reason, a desperate attempt to get thell hell out of your
countries and to sneak into the society created by the English speakers.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<You are an idiot. Dutch has been spoken here since well before the existence
of the USA as a nation. French, too. And a hundred or maybe ten times a
hundred Indian languages and dialects. So has Hebrew, Greek, Latin and
German.>>
But the Dutch and French have their own successful countries and do not have to
use the power of the USA to promote their image in the world from losers to
successful people. Hispanick mahco pride will not allow the world to view them
as loser so they go alll out to get a powerful country to promote their loser
language and culture using any lame-ass excuse they can.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<I have nothing againist people keeping their
cultures/langages alive at home but when out in mainstream America,
speak the common language of English!>>
Even Asian-Americans tell Hispanicks to shove their no-speakie English crap us
their ass.
Subject: Re: Mexico owns you
From: "Ken Leung" kenl...@home.com
Date: 06/02/2001 10:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <gy9S6.56340$%i7.42...@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>
Anyways, fuck that Spanish shit. I'm not against students to learn Spanish
to study the culture but NOT USING IT IN THE US. You guys learn English to
fit into the society, not us learning Spanish to try to get you fit into it.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<In the 1600s and 1700s Spanish explorations and settlements extended the
Spanish
language north from Mexico into present-day Arizona>>
any Hispanick settlements in the northern 90% of Arizona? Just 2 tiny walled
towns in the lower 10%. And you dare call the history of Arizona "Spanish
speaking"? Why don;t you call Arizona Apache speaking?
<<California>>
the first spansih settlement a mere 69 years before USA control. Hardly what I
call "heritage". No Hispanick settlements in inland California or north of San
Francisco.
<<southern Colorado>>
I challenge you to list me one Hispanick settlement in Colorado and the year it
was established.
<<New Mexico>>
uhhh, Mexicans and all other Hispanick groups now desperate to sneak into the
uSA never sneak into New Mexico, they head for areas developed by the Anglos.
<<and Texas.>>
list the Hispanick settlements in Texas.
from "Spanish Texas", by Gerald Ashford, copyright 1971.
page 89
Under the circumstances, however, it was necessary to consider the abandonment
of the missions. A junta general on August 31, 1693, ordered the withdrawal on
the ground that there was no longer any danger from the French, and that
exploration of the country had proved beyond questions its unsuitability for
settlement.
page 113
So in 1719, with war on the horizon, the entire guard of Texas, a country
larger than Spain itself, consisted of about 25 soldiers at San Antonio and the
same number on the eastern frontier.
page 158
The history of the lower Rio Grande Valley, though important for future
development, was uneventful. The region on both sides of the river was settled
on an ambitious scale by Jose de Escandon under a royal commission granted him
in 1746. After thorough preparations, Escandon set out from Queretaro on
November 16, 1748, with 755 soldiers and 2,515 colonists. In the first 2 months
of 1749 he founded several colonies inland in what is still part of Mexico. In
March he arrived at the Rio Grande and founded Camargo and Reynosa, both on the
Mexican side. In the next few years, he founded many more towns, but the first
one in what is now Texas was Laredo, established May 17, 1755. Meanwhile the
ranches of Escandon's colonists were spreading out on the left bank of the Rio
Grande as far as the Nueces, and eventually to the lower San Antonio River. All
told, Escandon founded 20 towns with more than 3,600 Spanish settlers, as well
as 15 missions with an estimated 3,000 converts. All of the towns except Laredo
were on the Mexican side.
page 163
From San Saba, Rubi went on to San Antonio, which, although it did not become
the capital until 1772, had the largest and most flourishing group of
settlements in Texas. The garrison, however, consisted of only 22 men, of whom
15 were generally stationed in the 5 missions stretched out for a distance of
nearly 8 miles along the river.
Five years earlier, the Bishop of Guadalajara also had found the presidio of
San Antonio de Bejar offered no protection whatever to the settlers and
missions. It had no stone buildings, although it had been established for 44
years, and it was not protected even so much as a stockade of logs. Cannon lay
rusting on the ground in front of the Captain's house. Even if the guns had
been in working order, they could not have been used without wrecking the
settlement, for the houses were built at random, contrary to the Laws of the
Indies, which provided for straight streets where cannon could be used against
invaders.
In 1762, when Luis Antonio Menchaca assumed command of the presidio, he found
22 men on the military payroll, of whom only 5 were effectives, and 100 adult
male civilian settlers, including the aged, the sick and those who lived on
ranches as much as 60 miles away. So the presidio and the villa together could
muster only 30 able men able to repel an attack.
page 169
In San Antonio (1767), Pages found, was a settlement of perhaps 200 houses,
two-thirds of them built of stone but many in ruins, standing on a small
peninsula which sloped gently to the river and was surrounded by thick mesquite
woods.
page 171
To return the Marques de Rubi, the most important recommendation in his long
and carefully drawn report was that the outer defense line, stretching from the
Gulf of California to the Gulf of Mexico, be shortened by reducing the number
of presidios from 24 to 15. In Texas, this meant the abandonment of the
presidio of Los Adaes. The more recently established presidio of Orcoquisac, on
the lower Trinity, was also to be given up. Both of these forts, the Marquis
correctly pointed out, lay far beyond the really effective limits of the king's
domain. Los Adaes was practically, but not completely, evacuated on February,
1770, and Orcoquisac was abandoned the same month.
Since the missions and civilian settlers in East Texas were to be left
unprotected with the removal of the presidios, the order provided that the 4
missions in that region should be suppressed and the civil inhabitants, though
many of them had spent their entire lives on the eastern frontier, should be
moved to the vicinity of San Antonio.
page 189
Fear of French invasion was, as we have seen, the ruling motive of Spanish
colonial policy in Texas from the first rumors of La Salle's expedition in 1684
until Louisiana was ceded to Spain in 1762. Thereupon ensued a period of
stagnation and retrenchment, when there appeared to be no urgent reason for
developing the resources of this remote province.
page 196
American interest in the mysterious lands west of the Sabine received an added
impetus when Calatin Zebulon Montgomery Pike published, in 1810, his report of
the expeditions which he had made by order of General Wilkinson in 1805-1807.
San Antonio, said Pike, was "laid out on a very grand plan," but most of its
2,000 souls resided in "miserable mud-wall houses, covered with thatched grass
roofs." At this time the garrison was housed in the abandoned Mission San
Antonio Valero, called the Alamo. Of the other 2 missions, 2 were entirely
depopulated; a third had barely enough Indians to perform necessary household
labor for the resident priest.
Pike estimated the population of the entire province at 7,000, including a
few Americans and French besides the Spaniards, Indians and mestizos.
Nacogdoches, he said, had only 500 people and was merely a "station for
troops."
page 229
In 1820, as the Spanish regime in the Western Hemisphere drew towards its
close, the Province of Texas was in a melancholy state. In the whole Province,
larger than Spain itself, there were only 2 settlements - San Antonio and La
Bahia - and their combined population was only 2,516 persons. Nacogdoches,
recently a flourishing town of nearly 1,000 souls, had been wholly abandoned as
a result of the civil wars and the depredations of bandits who flourished in
the restless state of the country. Isolated families were scattered on ranches
along the Sabine and Red Rivers, and few of the Spaniards from San Antonio who
had established themselves as cattle-raisers between San Antonio and La Bahia
may have remained in possession. The missions of San Antonio were almost in
ruins, while the 2 missions at La Bahia, though still kept up physically, had
little influence with the Indians. The garrisons at these 2 places, unable to
obtain supplies, lived by thieving from the citizens. Smuggling went on
unchecked.
page 174
Nolan was not the first American to enter Texas, but he was by far the most
important up to his time. Most of the handful of others who dared cross the
border in the late 18th Century were either driven back or carried away to the
mines of interior Mexico. To cross the Spanish iron curtain of that day,
without a special license from the King of Spain, was in fact a capital
offense.
By 1769, four "Englishmen" were found openly living in Nacogdoches. In
August, 1771, four others - Joseph Dickinson, James Sherman, Neill McMillan and
Arch McKenzie - and 2 Negroes, all from the "Two Friends", were found
shipwrecked at the mouth of the Nueces and taken to San Antonio. In some manner
they obtained permission to proceed overland to Nachitoches, driving 133 head
of cattle and more than 40 horses which they had purchased in San Antonio with
3 pipes of rum and 3 barrels of sugar.
Despite the severity of the exclusion law, there were ways in which
Americans could obtain exception. If they were not too scrupulous or too proud
of their nationality, they could claim to be Irishmen, a favored race in the
Spanish Empire of this period, especially in Texas, where a recent governor had
been Don Hugo O'Connor, and a well known missionary priest had been Fray Juan
Agustin Morfi, to say nothing of governor O'Reilly of Louisiana. The Americans
might also claim to be former French subjects in Louisiana, or at least they
could become converts to the Catholic Church and marry Spanish-Mexican girls of
the Province.
In addition to the Americans already mentioned, and those concerned in the
story of Nolan, which is to follow, there was a "Francisco Connichi" (Francis
McConnaghey?), born in Philadelphia in 1754, who with his wife and 4 children
was counted in the census at Nacogdoches in 1794. The same census also shows as
Americans Antonio Buquer, Francisco Borman and one Fil, first name not given.
It goes without saying that names of foreigners in the Spanish archives are
almost always grotesquely misspelled. An exception was another "Englishman'"
one Jones, who was reported living in Nacogdoches in 1793. The Comanche chief
El Cojo (the Cripple) came to Bexar in 1794, bringing one "Juan Colbert," a
Presbyterian silversmith from Philadelphia, who said that he had been roaming
the Southwest for 3 years, but now wished to settle in San Antonio, become
converted to the Catholic Church, and practice his trade. Governor Munyoz
waited a year for instructions from Chihuahua, then chained Colbert
incommunicado in the calabozo.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<They were greatly outnumbered by the natives, and both the latins and the
natives soon became greatly outnumbered by the US Americans.>>
USA Population grows
YEAR POPULATION
1610 350
1670 111,900
1700 250,900
1750 1,170,800
1780 2,780,400
1850 23,191,876* time of annexation of Navajo, Hualapai and
Apache territory
1900 75,994,575
1930 122,775,046
1970 203,302,031
total count of Hispanicks in the present day USA at the time of USA annexation:
Arizona, in 1820, 1,000 Hispanicks total
California: 7,300 Hispanicks in the year 1847
New Mexico: 30,000 Hispanicks in the year 1821
Texas: 2,000 Hispanicks in 1836
Florida: 0, they all moved to Cuba
50,000 Hispanicks max?? is that it? in 1848, the USA totaled 23 MILLION people.
They outnumbered Hispanics 1200 to 1.
ARIZONA
At Tucson and at the old presidio location of Tubac, settlers began to locate.
In 1804, Zunyiga reported 37 Spanish civilians along with 200 Indians.
In 1819 there were 62 Spanish settlers in the Pueblito de Visita of San Xavier
del Bac, as Tucson was then known
From "Arizona, a History", by Thomas Sheridan copyright 1995
The total non-Indian population hovered around 1,000 with 300 to 500 people at
Tucson, 300 to 400 at Tubac, and less than 100 at Tumacocori. The rest of
Arizona remained in Native American hands.
Tucson in the 1830's was as much an Apache as a Mexican community. The
Sonoran census of 1831 listed only 465 Mexican inhabitants, whereas Tucson's
Apache Manso community in 1835 was said to include 486 individuals.
From "The Gila: River of the Southwest", by Edwin Corle, copyright 1951.
The Apaches were destroying Mission San Xavier del Bac and they left nothing
standing but the charred walls. It was an extremely successful Apache party
held in the year 1768. Because of the edict of Carlos III issued the year
before, there wasn't a Jesuit priest left in Arizona. And the only Spaniards
present were the 50 soldiers and their wives and a sprinkling of civilians at
the small garrison and tiny town of Tubac, 45 miles away.
Tucson was a walled city and counted itself lucky to be so. It was a
town of adobe mud buildings housing 500 timid inhabitants made up mostly of the
garrison and the wives and children of soldiers.
from 'The Oxford History of the American West",
page 57
.....Hispanic Arizona remained confined largely to the Santa Cruz Valley
between the present day border and Tucson. Its non-Indian population seldom
exceeded 1,000 because it had little to offer would be colonists and, for much
of the century, because it held no strategic importance to attract the
attention of government officials.
CALIFORNIA
from "California Conquered", by Neal Harlow: During the Mexican period,
1822-46, California experienced what might be termed a "population explosion",
in that its population grew from some 3,700 persons to slightly less than
8,000, including about 700 foreigners. This foreign element was at first
comprised of British and American deserters from trading, naval and whaling
vessels and wandering trappers from Canada and the USA.
From: "CALIFORNIA: Two Centuries of Man, Land & Growth in the Golden State", by
W.H. Hutchinson.
In 1820, the European population of California approximated 3,720 persons.
from "California Under Spain & Mexico, 1535-1847", by Irving Richman, copyright
1911.
Alfred Robinson estimated the non-Indian population of Alta California in 1846
at 8,000, and the Indian population at 10,000. This is a drop from an estimated
aboriginal population of 133,550 in 1770. Other sources place the non-Indian
population at 10,000 and 15,000 (Hammond 1971).
TEXAS
The Spanish-speaking population of Texas in 1836, for example, was estimated at
about 2,000, according to W.P. Webb in his books *The Plains* and *The Texas
Rangers*
From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
University.
Through natural increase and a trickle of immigration, Hispanic Texas grew
slowly, its population rising from 500 persons in 1731 to 1,190 by 1760. Of
those, 1,190 persons, about 580 lived in San Antonio, 350 at Los Adaes and some
260 at La Bahia. In 1773, Spain would abandon Los Adaes completely.
Texas itself languished as one of the least populated provinces of the
northern frontier of New Spain. By 1790, when the Hispanic population of Texas
stood at 2,510, Nuevo Santander (in present day Mexico) had over 10 times as
many Hispanics. Only California had a smaller population of Hispanics than
Texas. In 1790, San Antonio, LaBahia and Nacogdoches had non-Indian populations
of roughly 1500, 600 and 400 respectively, making them more akin to size to the
small presidial towns of St Augustine and Pensacola rather than provincial
capitals in central New Spain (Mexico City surpassed 110,000 in 1793; Puebla
had nearly 53,000; Guanajuato had over 32,000.)
The Hispanic population of Texas, which had exceeded 4,000 in 1803, fell to
fewer than 2,000 by 1820 and the town of Nacogdoches nearly expired.
from "Spanish Texas", by Gerald Ashford, copyright 1971.
page 229
In 1820, as the Spanish regime in the Western Hemisphere drew towards its
close, the Province of Texas was in a melancholy state. In the whole Province,
larger than Spain itself, there were only 2 settlements - San Antonio and La
Bahia - and their combined population was only 2,516 persons. Nacogdoches,
recently a flourishing town of nearly 1,000 souls, had been wholly abandoned as
a result of the civil wars and the depredations of bandits who flourished in
the restless state of the country. Isolated families were scattered on ranches
along the Sabine and Red Rivers, and few of the Spaniards from San Antonio who
had established themsleves as cattle-raisers between San Antonio and La Bahia
may have remained in possession. The missions of San Antonio were almost in
ruins, while the 2 missions at La Bahia, though still kept up physically, had
little influence with the Indians. The garrisons at these 2 places, unable to
obtain supplies, lived by thieving from the citizens. Smuggling went on
unchecked.
NEW MEXICO
From "NEW MEXICO, a History of Four Centuries", by Warren A Beck.
By 1680, the Spanish speaking population of New Mexico was estimated to be
2,800 which was concentrated along the upper Rio Grande and its tributaries
from 'The Oxford History of the American West",
New Mexico had by far the largest population of Hispanics in 1821, some
30,000......
FLORIDA
From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
University.
When Menendez died in 1574, at Santander in Spain, Florida had been reduced to
2 settlements: St Augustine and Santa Elena. In 1572, Santa Elena's 171
settlers outnumbered its 76 officers and soldiers. With their livesotck and
other transportable posessions, the residents of Santa Elena moved to St
Augustine, which became the sole Spanish settlement in Florida.
Spain also evacuated Pensacola, the lone outpost in British West Florida. The
orderly exodus was led by the luckess governor Colonel Diego Ortiz Parrilla.
Under his supervision, some 700 refugees, including 108 Christian Indians,
sailed from Pensacola to Veracruz to begin a new life in Mexico. Only one
Spaniard stayed in Pensacola. Although Spain reacquired the Floridas 20 years
later, few of the refugees from St Augustine or Pensacola ever returned.
By the century's end, only a single garrison remained to sustain Menendez'
vision of an empire that would control the southeastern port of the continent.
Modest success would also be a by-product of the settlement of New Mexico - the
other salient of the Spanish empire to extend into North America during the
waning years of the 16th century and the reign of Felipe II.
From the abandonment of Santa Elena in 1576 until the founding of Pensacola in
1698, St Augustine was the only Hispanic settlement of consequence in Florida.
It supported a population of just over 500 in 1600, including men, women and
children and 27 slaves. By 1700, St Augustine's population had risen to between
1,400 and 1,500 persons including black slaves and Hispanicized Indians. Many
of the Hispanic residents of the town actually lived on outlying ranches and
farms but maintained their official residence in St Augustine.
England took posession of Florida in 1763. Eager to salvage its colonists
in Florida, the Spanish Crown offered free transport to those willing to leave.
Within a year, Spanish residents of Florida completed a painful exodus, selling
their real estate at bargain prices to English spectulators, and packing their
movable belongings onto crowded vessels. At St Augustine, over 3,000 Spanish
subjects moved to Cuba. Only a few Spaniards remained behind.
final remarks to keep in mind
Unable to attract colonists from Spain or its American colonies, Spanish
officials began in the mid-1780's to allow immigrants from the US to settle in
Louisiana and Florida and to obtain generous grants of free land and access to
the Mississippi.
The claims to land in North America had narrowed down to three strong European
nations: Spain, France and England. Spain concentrated her possessions in
Mexico and South America and did not settle or develop much of the land that is
now the USA. As a result, the "struggle for a continent" was left to two
enemeies, France and England.
The extreme isolation of California from Europe and Asia also made it one of
the last parts of the western hemisphere to be settled by Europeans. It was
difficult for the small ships of the 16th and 17th centuries to sail northward
from Mexico against the prevailing winds and curents. Mainly for this reason,
two and a half centuries passed between the founding of the first Spanish
settlement on the Pacific coast, at Panama in 1519, and the first Spanish
settlement in California, at San Diego in 1769. By the time of the first
Spanish settlements in California, however, the Spanish empire was already
declining. Moreover, Spain did not regard California as a very important
possession. Therefore settlement was slow and Spain's control was tenuous. In
spite of Spain's official policy of barring foreign ships from California's
ports, American, British and French ships regularly visited them. The weakness
of Spanish control was further demonstrated by the inability of authorities to
expel the Russians from Fort Ross, a trading post they established in 1812,
north of the mouth of the Russian River.
Mexico, after gaining independence in 1821, continued the neglect of the
distant province. The weak Mexican authorities were not able to control the
growing spirit of independence among Californians or to keep out foriegn
influence and trade.
After the Yuma revolt of 1781, and the establishment of California's 4th
presido at Santa Barbara in 1782, no large influx of soldiers or colonists
arrived, no additional presidios were built, and only one town was established
- a half hearted effort in 1797 to establish a villa near mission Santa Cruz.
The closing of the Sonora road in 1781 had made California dependent once again
on the sea for all communication with New Spain, and the province offered no
attractions that would prompt immigrants to make the arduous journey.
Texas itself languished as one of the least populated provinces of the northern
frontier of New Spain. By 1790, when the Hispanic population of Texas stood at
2,510, Nuevo Santander (in present day Mexico) had over 10 times as many
Hispanics. Only California had a smaller population of Hispanics than Texas. In
1790, San Antonio, LaBahia and Nacogdoches had non-Indian populations of
roughly 1500, 600 and 400 respectively, making them more akin to size to the
small presidial towns of St Augustine and Pensacola rather than provincial
capitals in central New Spain (Mexico City surpassed 110,000 in 1793; Puebla
had nearly 53,000; Guanajuato had over 32,000.)
from "An Informal History of Texas", by Frank Tolbert, copyright 1951
page 41
In the early 1700's the French Governor of Louisiana was Antoine de la Mothe
Cadillac, whose name has been immortalized by an automobile. Old Cadillac had
his eyes on Texas. This vast land was then deserted of Spaniards, who
nevertheless claimed it.
from "Spanish Texas", by Gerald Ashford, copyright 1971.
page 89
Under the circumstances, however, it was necessary to consider the abandonment
of the missions. A junta general on August 31, 1693, ordered the withdrawal on
the ground that there was no longer any danger from the French, and that
exploration of the country had proved beyond questions its unsuitability for
settlement.
page 158
The history of the lower Rio Grande Valley, though important for future
development, was uneventful. The region on both sides of the river was settled
on an ambitious scale by Jose de Escandon under a royal commission granted him
in 1746. After thorough preparations, Escandon set out from Queretaro on
November 16, 1748, with 755 soldiers and 2,515 colonists. In the first 2 months
of 1749 he founded several colonies inland in what is still part of Mexico. In
March he arrived at the Rio Grande and founded Camargo and Reynosa, both on the
Mexican side. In the next few years, he founded many more towns, but the first
one in what is now Texas was Laredo, established May 17, 1755. Meanwhile the
ranches of Escandon's colonists were spreading out on the left bank of the Rio
Grande as far as the Nueces, and eventually to the lower San Antonio River. All
told, Escandon founded 20 towns with more than 3,600 Spanish settlers, as well
as 15 missions with an estimated 3,000 converts. All of the towns except Laredo
were on the Mexican side.
page 163
From San Saba, Rubi went on to San Antonio, which, although it did not become
the capital until 1772, had the largest and most flourishing group of
settlements in Texas. The garrison, however, consisted of only 22 men, of whom
15 were generally stationed in the 5 missions stretched out for a distance of
nearly 8 miles along the river.
Five years earlier, the Bishop of Guadalajara also had found the the presidio
of San Antonio de Bejar offered no protection whatever to the settlers and
missions. It had no stone buildings, although it had been established for 44
years, and it was not protected even so much as a stockade of logs. Cannon lay
rusting on the ground in front of the Captain's house. Even if the guns had
been in working order, they could not have been used without wrecking the
settlement, for the houses were built at random, contrary to the Laws of the
Indies, which provided for straight streets where cannon could be used against
invaders.
In 1762, when Luis Antonio Menchaca assumed command of the presidio, he found
22 men on the military payroll, of whom only 5 were effectives, and 100 adult
male civilian settlers, including the aged, the sick and those who lived on
ranches as much as 60 miles away. So the presidio and the villa together could
muster only 30 able men able to repel an attack.
page 169
In San Antonio (1767), Pages found, was a settlement of perhaps 200 houses,
two-thirds of them built of stone but many in ruins, standing on a small
peninsula which sloped gently to the river and was surrounded by thick mesquite
woods.
page 171
To return the Marques de Rubi, the most important recommendation in his long
and carefully drawn report was that the outer defense line, stretching from the
Gulf of California to the Gulf of Mexico, be shortened by reducing the number
of presidios from 24 to 15. In Texas, ths meant the abandonment of the
presidio of Los Adaes. The more recently established presidio of Orcoquisac, on
the lower Trinity, was also to be given up. Both of these forts, the Marquis
correctly pointed out, lay far beyond the really effective limits of the king's
domain. Los Adaes was practically, but not completely, evacuated on February,
1770, and Orcoquisac was abandoned the same month.
Since the missions and civilian settlers in East Texas were to be left
unprotected with the removal of the presidios, the order provided that the 4
missions in that region should be suppressed and the civil inhabitants, though
many of them had spent their entire lives on the eastern frontier, should be
moved to the vicinity of San Antonio.
page 189
Fear of French invasion was, as we have seen, the ruling motive of Spanish
colonial policy in Texas from the first rumors of La Salle's expedition in 1684
until Louisiana was ceded to Spain in 1762. Thereupon ensued a period of
stagantion and retrenchment, when there appeared to be no urgent reason for
developing the resouces of this remote province.
page 196
American interest in the mysterious lands west of the Sabine received an added
impetus when Calatin Zebulon Montgomery Pike published, in 1810, his report of
the expeditions which he had made by order of General Wilkinson in 1805-1807.
San Antonio, said Pike, was "laid out on a very grand plan," but most of its
2,000 souls resided in "miserable mud-wall houses, covered with thatched grass
roofs." At this time the garrison was housed in the abandoned Mission San
Antonio Valero, called the Alamo. Of the other 2 missions, 2 were entirely
depopulated; a third had barely enough Indians to perform necesasary household
labor for the resident priest.
Pike estimated the population of the entire provinve at 7,000, including a
few Americans and French besides the Spaniards, Indians and mestizos.
Nacogdoches, he said, had only 500 people and was merely a "station for
troops."
page 229
In 1820, as the Spansih regime in the Western Hemisphere drew towards its
close, the Province of Texas was in a melancholy state. In the whole Province,
larger than Spain itself, there were only 2 settlements - San Antonio and La
Bahia - and their combined population was only 2,516 persons. Nacogdoches,
recently a flourishing town of nearly 1,000 souls, had been wholly abandoned as
a result of the civil wars and the depredations of bandits who flourished in
the restless state of the country. Isolated families were scattered on ranches
along the Sabine and Red Rivers, and few of the Spaniards from San Antonio who
had established themsleves as cattle-raisers between San Antonio and La Bahia
may have remained in possession. The missions of San Antonio were almost in
ruins, while the 2 missions at La Bahia, though still kept up physically, had
little influence with the Indians. The garrisons at these 2 places, unable to
obtain supplies, lived by thieving from the citizens. Smuggling went on
unchecked.
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/books/wcb/wcb2.htm
Not until Spain's absentee ownership of California, established by right of
discovery, was challenged, did settlement ensue. In the late eighteenth century
the Russians, who had advanced rapidly across Siberia and the North Pacific
into Alaska, began to move southward. Fear that they might occupy the harbors
of California, and become a threat to the Spanish hold on Mexico and its
riches, caused King Charles to direct that steps be taken to establish royal
control of the land.
from 'The Oxford History of the American West",
Alta California attracted few colonists. The government offered material
rewards to encourage immigration and sent some convicts and orphan girls as
colonists, but the area remained too distant from population centers and
markets to attract willing immigrants. In effect, Alta California was an
island through most of the colonial period, dependent solely on occasional
ships from New Spain to bring additional colonists and supplies, missionaries,
and livestock for the initial settlement of Alta California in 1769.
The Hispanic population of California reached about 3,000 by 1821, 500 more
persons of European descent than lived in Texas that same year and 3 times the
number that lived in Arizona. New Mexico had by far the largest population of
Hispanicks in 1821, some 30,000.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<So 1 in 10 people in the U.S. speak Spanish as their primay language? Gee, I
wonder if it has anything to do with the inlfux of millions of
illegal immigrants from Mexico sneaking into this country?>>
Hispanicks want everyone to believe that is because the USA has been 10%
Hispanick from our beginnings. They neglect to mention that those Spansih
speakers made an all out efffort to leave their families behind and their
homelands to make an all out effort to sneak into the USA, thus accounting for
thier numbers here.
translation: Latin Americans are totally unable to create their own successful
countries, so they sneak into ANGLO founded countries (USA) instead. How is
that any different from a 50 year old man that has lived with his mommy his
entire life, still sucks her tit and still wears a diaper?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<> So 1 in 10 people in the U.S. speak Spanish as their primay language?
The figure is more around 1 in 19.>>
that is a very offensive statement to make. Not offensive in any way to me, but
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<We will take back this country and kick those anit-American leeches out
of here.>>
Hispanicks are taught from an early age to see themselves as the descendants of
the foermer Great Spansih Empire and ths to see the USA/UK/"Anglos" as their
eternal enemies. No matter how much we do for them to take them out of poverty
and provide for them, they will always ee us as the people that outdid them on
the world stage and humiliated them. To have to sneak into the country you see
as the eternal enemy is very humiliating to Hispanicks. That why once they
sneak in here, they go all out to play their no-speakie English games, wave
foriegn flags, cheer against the USA in sports, can;t bear to give their kids
American names and smuggle obscene amounts of money out of here.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<The Mexicans that 'flood' into the
Southwest are asserting an indigenous culture that existed prior to
the actual founding of the United States.>>
the indigenous and historical cultures of the USA Southwest are the Comanche,
Apache, Hualapai, Hopi, Navaho....
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Even you cannot be saying that Santa Fe, San Antonio, Los Angeles, San
Diego, etc. etc. are Indian names.>>
do you know who gave San Francisco its name, Senyor? It was an Anglo.
It is also to Bartlett that we owe the name "San Francisco" to. General
Vallejo, Thomas O Larkin and Dr Semple, landholders to the north, certain of
the destiny of California, conceived a subtle and farsighted scheme. They
projected a town on the shores of San Francisco Bay to be called the city of
San Francisca, because they knew that a city named after the famous Bay of San
Francisco would be a natural bait both for settlers and sea craft, becoming in
the course of a few years the metropolis of the future state. Unfortunately,
Bartlett's mind worked as quickly and as astutely as theirs. Before they had
time to record the title of their town, he changed the name of his from Yerba
Buena to San Francisco, publishing the ordinance in the "California Star".
Vallejo, Larkin and Semple protested in vain, but settled to call their village
Benicia.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Even you cannot be saying that Santa Fe, San Antonio, Los Angeles, San
Diego, etc. etc. are Indian names.>>
In 1846 (2 years before USA assumed control) there were about 200 people
living in Yerba Buena.
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/books/wcb/wcb3.htm
By 1840 only 140 persons called San Diego home.
From "The Spanish in North America", by David Weber, copyright 1992 by Yale
University.
The Hispanic population of Texas, which had exceeded 4,000 in 1803, fell to
fewer than 2,000 by 1820 and the town of Nacogdoches nearly expired.
Philadelphia Boston NYC
1743 13,000 1743 - 16,382 1743 11,000
1760 23,750 1825 - 58,277 1760 18,000
1800 67,787 1840 - 93,383 1776 20,000
1820 136,000 1850 - 136,881 1840 312,710
1840 258,000
From "Philadelphia: A 300 year History", copyright 1982
page 218
In 1800 Philadelphia was the biggest city in the United States; 67,787
people lived within the municipality and its contiguous suburbs of Southwark
and the Northern Liberties.........
The city was growing rapidly, four to five hundred houses a year since the
formation of the federal government in 1789. In the new century, its population
increased by 40-50 percent in each decade, except during the troubled years
1810-1820 when growth was about halved......
page 280
The enormous increase in the city's industrial output brought about
startling changes in her population. In 1820 the number of people living in
Philadelphia County already exceeded those in the city proper by 72,922 to
63,713. Over the years both sections gained in population density, but the
county with its new factory areas grew faster than the city, and in 1840 had
outstripped her by 164,474 to 93,652.
From "The Epic of New York City", by Edward Robb Ellis, copyright 1966.
page 158
In 1776 New York had a population of 20,000 and extended about a mile north
of the battery.
page 251
The city's population nearly quadrupled between 1825 and 1855. By 1840, when
Manhattan's population stood at 312,710, it had reached Fourteenth Street.
From "Boston - A Topographical History", by Walter Wuir Whitehill, copyright
1959.
page 37
Professor Bridenbaugh's figures in "Cities in Revolt" give Boston 16,382
inhabitants, Philadelphia 13,000 and New York 11,000 in 1743. In 1760 all
positions are changed, for Philadelphia had moved into first place with a
population of 23,750, New York had advanced to second with 18,000.......
page 112
The 58,277 inhabitants of 1825 had become, by 1840, 93,383 and in 1850,
136,881.....
Professor Handlin finds that "by 1850, about 35,000 Irish were domiciled in the
city; five years later there were more than 50,000 - almost all natives of the
southern and western counties.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Even you cannot be saying that Santa Fe, San Antonio, Los Angeles, San
Diego, etc. etc. are Indian names.>>
Anglos created San Francisco.
It was in the month of May, 1835, that Governor Figueroa determined to lay out
a settlement at Yerba Buena,and offered William A. Richardson, the Englishman
who had arrived in California in 1822 and naturalized in 1829, the position of
captain of the port if he would settle on the cove. Richardson consented, and
with his family moved north at once from his home near the San Gabriel Mission.
The governor died shortly after Richardson reached the end of that long slow
journey. He arrived at the cove in June, and literally pitched his tent,
awaiting the next move of the government. After Figueroa's death, Jose Castro,
as primer vocal, confirmed Richardson's appointment and told him to select a
site for the village. Richardson himself selected a lot 100 yards square,
embracing the present Dupont Street between Clay and Washington streets. It was
there that he erected his crude dwelling. This is known in history as the first
house built on the site of the future San Francisco.
The next settler was Jacob Leese, and American who had arrived in
California the year before and engaged in the mercantile business in Monterey.
He came to San Francisco to establish a branch house and do business of all
sorts not only with the many ships that took shelter in Yerba Buena's waters,
but also with the ranchers north of the bay. Leese remained the most successful
and energetic citizen of Yerba Buena until 1841, when he sold out to the Hudson
Bay Company and moved to Sonoma.
from "Two Years Before the Mast", by Richard Henry Dana, copyright 1946
these observations take place in 1834-36.
page 249
We made a fair wind for San Francisco. This large bay, which lies in latitude
37 degrees 58', was discovered by Sir Francis Drake. About 30 miles from the
mouth of the bay, and on the south-east side, is a high point, upon which the
presidio is built. Behind this, is the harbor in which trading vessels anchor,
and near it, the mission of San Francisco, and a newly begun settlement, mostly
of Yankee Californians, called Yerba Buena (San Francisco).
page 257
....for the settlement of Yerba Buena, where we lay at anchor, made chiefly by
Americans and English....
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Even you cannot be saying that Santa Fe, San Antonio, Los Angeles, San
Diego, etc. etc. are Indian names.>>
Alonzo Horton developed San Diego, senyor.
Alonzo Horton
By 1860, San Diego had a population of 731. A businessman named Alonzo E.
Horton purchased land along eastern San Diego Bay in 1867. He laid out an area
called New Town, which soon became the new center of the town.
Entrepreneur Alonzo Horton vitalized the area in 1867 when he began developing
land south of the original settlement. Following a devastating fire in 1872,
settlers and businesses migrated to Horton's "New Town." The area boomed
following the arrival of the first railroad in 1885. Three years later, the
Hotel del Coronado opened for business.
San Diego grew steadily during the early 20th century. By 1910 the city had
40,000 inhabitants. San Diego hosted the Panama-California Exposition
(1915-1916) and the California Pacific International Exposition (1935-1936),
international fairs that brought worldwide attention to the city.
The two world wars in the first half of the 20th century contributed to the
military importance of San Diego. Naval bases were constructed and local
defense industries expanded production. The aircraft and electronics industries
became leading employers. By 1950 the city's population had climbed to 334,387.
During the following decade San Diego's population grew by a remarkable 71
percent.
Several slumps in the aerospace industry prompted a move to diversify the local
economy. The biggest jolt came in the early 1990s. Reduced spending for
defense, a result of the end of the Cold War, hit San Diego's aerospace
industry particularly hard. Local employment in aerospace plummeted from 27,800
in 1989 to only 9300 in 1995. The region benefited, however, through the
closure of military installations elsewhere in the nation and the reassignment
of functions to bases in the San Diego area. One of the area's unsolved
problems is the high cost of living. In the 1990s it cost about one-fifth more
than the national average to live in San Diego. In 1997 the city adopted an
innovative approach toward balancing growth and conservation. Some undeveloped
sections of land, primarily in the city's eastern side, will be acquired and
permanently set aside to protect wildlife and plants. In exchange other
sections of land will be freed for unrestricted development. The agreement will
preserve some of the region's most important habitat while meeting the housing
needs of a growing population.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<like Santa Fe being an actual real, ohmigosh, capital. In such a
case, as we see here so often, one can only project assertive and offensive
misinformation and even non-information.>>
New Mexcio was the only state in the present day USA that had a real Hispanick
influence. But the curious thing is that is not where Hispanicks now desperate
to sneak into the USA go to. They sneak into areas developed by Anglos.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<This Nordic was born and raised in
America, and is unfortunately accustomed to the intrinsic
self-worthlessness of hi'spanics>>
tell the fuckin' Hispanicks that Norwegian ( language of the Vikings) was the
first European language spoken in the Americas, and that therefore, according
to their rules, Norwegian should be the official language of the Americas.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<Spanish has been spoken in these United States for her entire existance>>
Oh God, and so have Lakota, Comanche, Seminole, Cherokee and goddamned 1,000
other Indian langauges that were here for thousands of years before Spanish.
French was also spoken here, Russian too, and Dutch. What the fuck makes
Spansih any superiror and to be given a higher position that any of those
languages? Spanish speakers did nto create the USA. they did not create the
society that people all over the world are desperate to sneak into.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
language. So does everyone else that immigartes here with the sole exception of
you Hispanicks. So if our Native Indians say English should be our official
language, who the hell are you people who played no part at all in either
creating or developing the USA to sneak in here and dictate what language we
speak??!! You people sneaked in here desperate to join the society the English
speakers created. The English speakers did not sneak in here desperate to join
the society created by the Spanish speakers. Nor did Spanish speakers influence
the development in any way, shape or form. Same with native language speakers.
You only want to use the power of the USA to promote your loser language and
culture. I know it humiliates you proud people that the wolrd sees you people
as a bunch of pathetic losers that rely on Anglos to care for you 24/7 like a
mommy cares for her newborn. And you are going to change that by forcing
powerful countries to adopt your loser language using whatever lame-ass escuses
you can. You want to plagiarize the good work of the Anglos. You people are
genetically unable to create your own successful countryies. You people are a
bunch of pathetic losers.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<It makes you so mad to actually look at 'fucking' history as you put it and
realize that a language spoken in this country's borders for half a fuckin
millenium belongs here more than any other.>>
the first Spanish settlement in California was a mere 69 years before USA
control. Is that "half a fuckin millenium"? "There were ZERO Spansih
settlements the states of Utah, Colorado and Nevada, suppossedly lands we
"stole" from Hispanicks. The first European language spoken in Texas was French
at the colony led by LaSalle. There were ZERO Hispanick settlements in the
northern 90% of Arizona. No Hispanick presnece there at all. The Comanches ran
your sorry asses out of Texas. No Hispanick influence there either. The first
settlemnt was a mere 100 years before USA control. Not "half a fuckin
millenium".
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<It makes you so mad to actually look at 'fucking' history as you put it and
realize that a language spoken in this country's borders for half a fuckin
millenium belongs here more than any other.>>
How long was Nahautl spoken in Mexico before Spanish? According to YOUR theory,
Nahautl shoudl then be the official language of Mexico. Explain why it isn't.
the Nahautl speakers didn;t sneak into Mexico desperate to join the society
created by the Spanish speakers. As is the case with Spansih speakers desperate
to get the hell out of their countries and to sneak into societies founded by
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<The Spanish language has been spoken
in the continent of America for half a millennium>>
really? All over what is now the USA? Be specific. What specific parts of the
USA has used Spanish for over 500 years? Vermont? North dakota?
<<and in the United States for its entire existence.>>
the USA was created in 1776. What states then used Spanish as their language or
what parts of the original 13 colonies had Spansih speaking settlements? I can
name you Dutch speaking, German speaking and French speaking settlements in our
original 13 colonies, but where were the speakie-Spanish colonies???!!!
<<At the inception of the United States, Spanish had been continuously spoken
in Florida>>
oh yeah? What parts of Florida? Miami? tampa Bay? jacksonville? Gainesville?
Did Anglso move to Florida desperate to get the hell out of Anglo colonies and
just as desperate to sneak into societies created by Spansih speakers ?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<In 1526 the first European
settlement was in founded in present day Georgia -San Miguel de Gualdape.>>
and did that settlement grow into what became Georgia? was it that colony that
Anglos were desperate to sneak into? Is that the reason why Anglos moved to
Georgia? To sneak into the society created by Hispanicks?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<If a FOREIGN culture, like the anglo-saxon one, is forced upon the
southwest>>
forced upon? Did Anglos sneak into the Southwest desperate to take part in the
society created by the Spansih speakers and then force them to aadopt English
as their language?
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<From the 1600's persons of Spanish ancestory were existing in
the then 'English' Thirteen Colonies.>>
BULLSHIT!
<<In 1776 thousands of Hispanicks
and Spanish speaking persons(hispanophones) fought the British during the
Revolutionary War.>>
BULLSHIT!
<<Georgia, along with Florida, has been Spanish speaking from the 1500's.>>
1526
Lucas Vazquéz de Ayllón establishes first named European settlement in what is
now the United States, the short-lived colony of San Miguel de Guadalupe in
coastal Georgia (September 29); settlement fails after less than two months
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Lets Roll
"Nicolas Garcia" <nico...@skat.usc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.33.02120...@skat.usc.edu...
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Uncle Cato wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 05:58:35 GMT, "americankernel"
> > <america...@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > >"Valkea" <val...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:e37e6a5d.02120...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > ><Fifth grade civics lesson with fact errors snipped>
> > >
> > >> I have concluded that it is
> > >> a waste of my time to convey these facts to bigots like kernel, his
> > >> disease of stupidity having impacted his mental operations. The
> > >> history of the United States is like a blanket drenched in blood
> > >> fluttering in the the currents of global winds.
> > >
> > >Listen Asswipe,
> > >
> > >First, when I'm pointing out the TRUTHS they disdain, "bigot" or
"racist" is
> > >the first word I usually hear out of the mouths of most anti-American,
> > >pro-immigrant, socialist dipshits, who've been sedated into masses of
> > >drooling proles by academia and media. I'm used to hearing it. I've
> > >concluded it occurs mainly because they're unable to see the irony in
the
> > >accusation because they're PROJECTING. That's a psychological term;
you'll
> > >probably have to look it up. Just trust me, you fit the bill perfectly.
> > >
> > >Second, YOU perpetrated a FRAUD, you insidious weasel. If you had one
> > >thimble-full of intellect, you'd have checked that heap of excrement
out
> > >prior to posting it as FACT. If you had a booger-sized bit of honor
within
> > >you, you would have completely retracted and disqualified the initial
post.
> > >But you didn't, you just LOVED that sophomoric, ill-advised college
project
> > >so much that you HAD to post it and feebly attempt to stand behind it.
> > >
> > >Before falling prey to childish pranks in the future, I suggest a quick
read
> > >of the Federalist Papers. The words and works of Hamilton, Jay and
Madison
> > >would give even those, like you, who seem to suffer from a form of
modest
> > >intellectual retardation pause before they considered that crap as
having
> > >one iota of validity.
> > >
> > >Now, from a quick Google search of my own, I've learned that you are
> > >pro-Cuban and anti-Haitian immigrant in a VERY prejudiced way:
> > >-----------
> > >Posted to soc.culture.cuba, soc.culture.haiti, soc.culture.usa,
> > >soc.culture.puerto-rico, alt.politics.republicans on December 3, 2002.
> > >
> > >"Miami has been transformed in the last 40 years from a sleepy
backwater to
> > >a thriving global metropolis due to cuban ingenuity and know-how.
Haitans
> > >stink and practise voodoo."
> > >----------
> > >Hello BIGOT!
> > >
> > >Since I grew up and still LIVE in South Florida and was here before the
> > >Cubans, I can tell you that Miami was a thriving, wonderful, growing
place
> > >BEFORE the Cubans. It just wasn't as corrupt. We only had the Mafioso
> > >summer homes, rather than the whole county government stealing and
cutting
> > >preferential, racist, bigoted deals that excluded the indigenous
population.
> > >
> > >Both Haitian and Cuban illegal immigrants should be and must be treated
the
> > >same way; with a nice firm boot to their posteriors that includes
enough
> > >force to make sure they make it back to their homelands and with enough
> > >"sting" that they are discouraged from trying to slither in again.
> > >
> > >Further, you can't even get the most basic of facts straight, loser:
> > >---------
> > >Posted to soc.culture.nordic on December 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >"The US was built by immigrants, so there is a feeling that everyone is
from
> > >everywhere else, but there is still the
> > >general cultural aspects."
> >
> > Sorry to interrupt, folks, this'll just take a minute.
> >
> > [RANT WARNING]
> >
> > Ahem...
> >
> > What the FUCK are any of these fifth column (if they only had the
> > aptitude) stankin hi'spanic racist looozers doing sullying
> > soc.culture.nordic with their simian key-taps?
> >
> > Let me say right here, that I'm of "nordic" parentage, on both sides
> > of my family, and if ANY brooding, white-hating, 5 foot nothing
> > hi'spanic individual thinks that "nordics" are a natural target of
> > their worthless spic racial crap, they can make every attempt to take
> > it out on me, that they can muster. This Nordic was born and raised in
> > America, and is unfortunately accustomed to the intrinsic
> > are not. Bring it on, if the winds of fate do bring me to the border,
> > this nordic-american _understands_ and will not be playing the games
> > or rhetoric that some americans allow themselves concerning these
> > jokers from the south. I guarantee that every hispanic I interact with
> > will grasp this entire issue and understand it's resolution, in a
> > blink.
> >
>
>
>
> HAHAHA
>
> you make me laugh sooo hard!!!
>
> bring it on, dude!!!!
>
> you should pair up with mister MAMALEUNA, he adores whites!!! maybe
> something good may come out of your union??? hehehehehehehe
>
> PATHETIC!!!!!!
>
Is "Pathetic" your battle cry?
"He who laughs last,. laughs best."
May you still be laughing when the smoke clears.
Mr. Mamleuna is joined by others such as myself, Iconoclast, C. Bash,
American Kernel, TL, Blue Sky, Flavius, johnny@, Sandy Meyers, Loocifer,
Xeno, Uncle Cato, and countless hundreds of thousands of others who are in
opposition to the continued invasion and anarchy represented in a population
of over 12 million illegal aliens.
At least one of us is getting down right militant about it.
It is good you advertise that you and other hispanics find American anger so
humorous. Hispanics have been making that mistake for a very long time.
You keep getting the American people confused with the US government. While
in theory the American people are the government, it is not really working
that way lately, and all players pretty much have that figured out.
The government has been MIA for a very long time on the issues of border
control and immigration. The breakdown of law and order at that federal
level of our government is creating anarchy at the street level.
What you are facing, Gomez, is the anger of the American people.
I have never taken a head count of how many government-type people there
are. But, in the United States estimates put the number of civilian
firearms at well over 200 million. Now, we will, in time, wrest control of
our government away from the thugs which currently occupy offices high and
low. But meanwhile, back at the ranch, anarchy demanded by hispanics is
becoming the rule of the day - just not quite in the way the hispanics
expected.
So, bring it on, dude.
--
Hanged in effigy at Brazoria for wanting peace with Mexico, these "Tories"
were: Ira Lewis (1800-1867), Thomas Jefferson Chambers (1802-1865) and
Samuel May Williams (1795-1858).
bnrds
I´m a Spaniard and what I´ve read so far is somehow inaccurate. The
Southwest of the USA belonged to Spain, I repeat it, to SPAIN, ie to
another European country as other parts belonged to England, France,
... The socalled Hispanicks you are talking about, the ones that are
crossing your borders with a massive immigrantion are nothing but
Amerindian/Mestizos/Native American that happen to speak Spanish
(impossed to them during Colonization) and that happen to have Spanish
surnames (impossed to them during the Evangelization of America).
Don´t put my country Spain in combination with what those
amerindian/mestizos are doing in the US. They just represent
themshelves.
I will put a similar example so you can understand it better. Imagine
that the English settlers in Australia have conquered the Australian
Aborigins, have given English names and surnames to them and have
taught them English as their primary language. So We could find that
the Australian Aborigins have their names as: John Blair, Michael
Gates, Peter Smith, ... and thay they speak English fluently. Imagine
that those Australian aborigins go massively to France and they only
speak English in Paris, they only use Australian flags and they want
to make France as a bilingual State (English and French). How can
anyone start saying that those Australian Aborigins with English
surnames and that speak English are "Anglos" and that they belong to
the Anglo culture and that England support them and are happy with
them??. No way!. So the same for this issue. The socalled Hispanicks
are nothing but Amerindian/Mestizos that happen to speak Spanish and
happen to have Spanish surnames. So don´t confuse it with true
Hispanics which are just a 5-6% of the people that live in Central or
Southamerica, ie, the direct descendants of Spanish or Portuguese
settlers in America. Most Central and Southamerica is populated by
Amerindian/mestizos/blacks and minorities of white people (mostly
descedendants of Spaniards and Portuguese, but also Italians, French,
Germans,...).
So those socalled Hispanicks can´t say a word about the possession of
the Southwest of the US because the Southwest of the US was managed by
100% European people from Spain or 100% European people from Mexico
(actually Spanish descendants). The figures of Hispanicks that you
mention are really Spaniards not Mestizos not Amerindians (the US
Media tries to group together all the Spanish speaking people making
think that We are a same culture, race, or whatever. What a bunch of
stupidities!. Spain is just like another white Western European
country, nothing more nothing less. So don´t put ourshelves in the
same group of the people We conquered and colonized because there are
lots of differences between us as them, exactly the same differences
that could exist between any Englishman and an Australian Aborigin).
I pity the situation of the Southwest of the US right now. I´ve read
that there are millions of illegal Mexicans (actually
amerindians/mestizos) living in the Southern States of the US. If it
was for me I will drive all of them out of the USA back to Mexico,
they don´t have the right to claim anything in the USA, they don´t
have the right to use Spanish as a first language, they don´t have the
right to make the white Americans to have to use Spanish as a
cooficial language, they don´t have the right to use Mexican flags in
the US territorry).
Here in Spain We are also becomming a Multicultural country due to
massive immigration (3 million have come in the last 3 or 4 years),
mostly from our excolonies in America and most of us are not happy at
all, crime and delinquency has grown incredibly and multicultural
problems have rised a lot). So I pity you Americans that have to
manage with that illegal invasion of the US.
For those who doesn´t know how Spaniards look like check this out
(those are pictures of Spaniards):
http://trstrs.netfirms.com/1.htm
I hope things are clearer now.
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
<<But, in the United States estimates put the number of civilian firearms at
well over 200 million. Now, we will, in time, wrest control of
our government away from the thugs which currently occupy offices high and
low.>>
If someone were to imitate John Muhammad and start shooting Hispanicks, I would
laugh my ass off. Nor would I turn in the killer if I knew him, for a reward,
no matter how high it is. I think such a person would first go after those that
try to make Spanish our official language, and get anyone with a Hispanick flag
flying from his car rear view mirror. Oh yeah, and the 3 Calfornia state reps
that are trying to create a USA national holiday that recognizes Cesar Chavez.
I bet they are even planning to call it "Dia de Cesar Chavez" and not "Ceasr
Chavez Day".
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Sancho Panza
"D. Long" <dkl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:at01n4$lob$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
> I know all about Santa Fe. . . . The Spanish did comparitively well
in colonizing northern New Mexico ... Do some >reading. It might keep
you from embarrassing yourself again.
It is far from clear why I would be embarrassed that your view apparently
coincides with mine, except for the fact of where you start from.
--
I know my ancestors' P.O.E. Do you know yours?
Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula
where Hispanicks had a sphere of influence. The Rockies kept the weather cool
and wet unlike the brutal heat and dryness of Texas, California and Arizona.
But they built nothing there that Anglos then came in a took over. No roads, no
railroads, no bridges.....yet New Mexico is not where Mexicans head to when
sneaking into the USA.
faitau Tusi Pa'ia
Tiny Human Ferret
Speaking as a former New Mexican....
DAMN you're stupid.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
Whom thou'st vex'd waxeth wroth: Meow. <-----> http://earthops.net/klaatu/
David Eduardo
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message
news:3DF400E2...@earthops.net...
> Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula wrote:
> >
> > Sancho Panzer, what is now New Mexico was the only place in the present
day USA
> > where Hispanicks had a sphere of influence. The Rockies kept the weather
cool
> > and wet unlike the brutal heat and dryness of Texas, California and
Arizona.
> > But they built nothing there that Anglos then came in a took over. No
roads, no
> > railroads, no bridges.....yet New Mexico is not where Mexicans head to
when
> > sneaking into the USA.
>
> Speaking as a former New Mexican....
>
> DAMN you're stupid.
>
Ain't he, though?
Nicolas Garcia
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> Leusogafofomaaitulagi Alailefaleula wrote:
> >
> > Sancho Panzer, what is now New Mexico was the only place in the present day USA
> > where Hispanicks had a sphere of influence. The Rockies kept the weather cool
> > and wet unlike the brutal heat and dryness of Texas, California and Arizona.
> > But they built nothing there that Anglos then came in a took over. No roads, no
> > railroads, no bridges.....yet New Mexico is not where Mexicans head to when
> > sneaking into the USA.
>
> Speaking as a former New Mexican....
>
> DAMN you're stupid.
>
I agree with your comment, mister ferret.