Mexico City's cathedral threatens to stop services
Don Gabacho
Mexico City's cathedral threatens to stop services
AP, MEXICO CITY
Friday, Nov 10, 2006, Page 7
The leftist mayor of Mexico City pledged on Wednesday to step up
security at the city's Roman Catholic cathedral after the church
threatened to cancel services there following noisy protests by leftist
demonstrators.
The possible cancelation of Masses, which could be extended to other
locations, is part of a months-long dispute involving supporters of a
protest movement in the southern state of Oaxaca and followers of
former leftist presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.
Mayor Alejandro Encinas, a member of Lopez Obrador's party, said
clerics had angered protesters by making political statements --
something they are forbidden by law from doing.
"These incursions into the cathedral are unacceptable," Encinas told a
news conference.
He added, however, that "there is mutual responsibility, both on the
part of the clerics and the people who might disagree with the
political statements they make."
He said the city had contacted church authorities about plans to
provide better security at the towering cathedral located in the city's
main square.
During the summer, police were posted outside the church after Lopez
Obrador's supporters repeatedly interrupted Masses -- sometimes
engaging in shoving and shouting matches with parishioners or church
security guards.
On Sunday, a group of several dozen demonstrators with their hands
covered in red paint to simulate blood interrupted a service at the
cathedral celebrated by Cardinal Norberto Rivera.
The protesters chanted "assassin" and claimed Rivera had supported
federal police intervention in the Oaxaca conflict.
At an impromptu news conference following a recent Sunday Mass, Rivera
made relatively vague statements about the need for law and order in
Oaxaca, where leftist protesters seized the city for five months until
federal police were sent in to restore order last month.
"The intolerance of these radical and violent groups who have attacked
Cardinal Rivera did not achieve their goal of silencing him," the
archdiocese of Mexico said in a news release.
"In the case of any new violent incursion, and if the authorities
cannot guarantee the safety of parishioners, the Archdiocese of Mexico
reserves the right to cancel Masses at the cathedral, and could extend
that measure," he said.
m...@anonamoo.com
and help those people out
Ahreeva la Taco
"Don Gabacho" <jpas...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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>Mexico City's cathedral threatens to stop
>services
Well Don as much as I hate to say this...is the catherdral stops it's
services, it is not going to be of any gret loss. Seems like more are
not learning what the chuch teaches anyway...you know,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bare false witness.
That seems especially true of those who come here illegally who
rape,kill, draud, lie and steal....the one thing they did learn was how
to be fruitful and multiply.
=:~0
Don Gabacho
THE-M...@webtv.net wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> >Mexico City's cathedral threatens to stop
> >services
>
> Well Don as much as I hate to say this...is the catherdral stops it's
The events at MxCty's cathedral yesterday were also occurring during
the massive demonstrations protesting Mexico's election fraud to assure
Bush's ally in Mexico: PAN.
Here is my response to a response on the same post I made on
alt.impeach.bush:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
> "Don Gabacho" <jpast...@nettaxi.com> wrote:
> >(Next: Excommuncation by PANista Cardinal Rivera?)
> >Mexico City's cathedral threatens to stop services
> How is that a "threat?"
After centuries of the most oppressive unity between central government
and Catholic Church it took a Bentio Juarez (an ex-cleric himself) to
finally constiutionally create their separation. That seperation
includes, by Mexican Constitution, such prohibistions on any church to
involve itself---even stating positions, in the nation's politics. It
would not be unlike a constitutional prohibtion in the U.S.A. denying
evangelists politicizing from the pulpit or anywhere at all whether
they be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, black, white whatever.
Fox's party, and ally of Bush, PAN, was much later founded by Catholic
Bankers for the reunification of (Catholic) Church and State in Mexico.
They fashioned the party after Franco's militant Falangists (Fascists)
of Spain, as PAN remains to this day.
When formed it was at the termination, in the 1930's, of Mexico's
"Cristero War" when tens of thousands perished in a---failed---attempt
by arch-conservatives aligned with the Church to reunify Church and
State in Mexico. The party formed to thus persist with the struggle
underground. The very first day of Fox's occupation of Los Pinos (the
Mx White House), he even had the very bust of Benito Juarez himself
removed.
They are deliberately fed, in part, by both Bush's
"Hispanic-stipulated" educational and even faith-based grants in the
U.S.(for pro-active studies at univerisites, ESL courses in schools and
churches, etc.) where American taxpayers monies end up under the
management of Program Directors oftentimes direct from Mexico or at
least, one-way-or the other approved by Fox's consulates stateside.
Do you think Bush's even "Faith-based funding" was to simply subsidize
Sunday School classes in the States?
The "threat" by Mexico's Cardinal Rivera is historic throughout Latin
America: when the peons do not behave themselves to, in a very real
sense blacmail the peons into submission, by the
suspensioin of Church sacrements: baptism, marriage, last rites, mass,
etc.
For the very archdioses of Mexico to threaten the discontinuance of
mass in the very headquarters of the Church in Mexico is not even a
threat to its own, local congregation but the whole archdioses and, in
the case of Cardinal, quite possibly beyond.
The last time this threat was used even outside of Mexico, it helped
comel exactly what it was deisigned to prevent: a revolution in
Nicaragua.
For Bush to have done what he has with his "Hispanic-stipulated"
education and faith-based grants of American's taxpayers monies was,
and remains, to finance these falangist's cause in Mexico and establish
the same tyranny in the churches, of any denomination accepting
faith-based grants, now being especially flooded with illegals aligned
with these miltant "Cristeros."
> >The leftist mayor of Mexico City pledged on Wednesday to step up
> >security at the city's Roman Catholic cathedral after the church
> >threatened to cancel services there following noisy protests by leftist
> >demonstrators.
> Mexico is _suffering_ from religion. Putting an end to occult
> superstitious ifgnorance would be a great first step for Mexico
> to climb out of the toilet.
Rice, I know your posts. You color everything with your narrow-minded
belligerence toward everything and everybody which does conform with
your narrow and warped view of the world.
You even got it backwards who was making the threat. It is the Church
making the threat not the protestors who are---NOT---attempting to
overthrow their own Church and religion rather than its heirarchy which
refuses the separation of Church and State.
m...@anonamoo.com
The Cathloic church is defending and protecting
Illegal Aliens in the USA
They are Mexicans and South Americans
and they are Cathloic
It seems many of the priests are disrespecting the USA
one of the only places where people can
worship as they want.
Some people say this is because Latinos donate so much
money to their church.
I think it is sad when the church would do something
like that but who will know better
then god what their reasons are for doing these things
God will judge them harsher then I ever could so I put that
in Gods hands
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Don Gabacho
Yes I know. They are not the only church or entity, but Bush, via the
"Hispanic-stipulated" educational and faith-based grants involved the
U.S. in not only the dissolution of its own
Separation of Church and State but also involved the U.S. in the
dissolution, or at least attempt of Mexico's (Latin America's leading
nation) in a cynical ploy to cement an alliance between the U.S. and
Mexico's arch-conservatives in an eventual North American Union.
It created a conduit, an underground railroad if you will, for, in
part, the trafficking of money for human labor which could not have
been possible by the popular fiat of either the U.S. or Mexico.
Moreover it is historically the most volatile issue on which one could
have tread in especially Latin America where the alliances and
conflcits of Church and State have always been catastophic. It was, and
remains, absolutely mideaval for Bush and Crew to have even considered
it. Or that there were even anyone here who would, no matter the
disguise, vote for "faith-based" funding.
If it makes you, or anybody else, feel better, as it does me though as
little as its worth, if Mexico were primarily Protestant or even the
U..S. primarily Catholic, it, essentially, would make no difference.
This breech of Separation of Church and State for even one nation much
less---bilaterally---has opened a can of worms that it could take a
thousand Luthers a thousand years to correct.
What is happening in Mexico City is absolutely the equivilent of what
happened in Nicaragua not long ago, and that conflict was no where as
near our own (what?) borders.
During Mexico's Inquistion, a Pope Innocent the XX__(?), in an attempt
to reign the monstrous brutalities of the first Archbishop of Mexico (a
Spaniard who never even stepped foot in Mexico and appointed by the
King of Spain and not the Pope) issued a Bull essentially condeming
eternally, as the "Devil" himself those who would disguise themselves
in the cloth of God to harass, torture or kill Mexico's indigenous. He
said they were to be taught catechism upon their own will alone and
without force.
It didn't work. In a montrous attempt to eliminate any indigenous
inheritance claims to land or value, even children were racked and
disembowled alive.
In gruesome hypocrcy, friars demanded the indigenous to yeild hidden
idols at the pain of not only burning their homes but also with their
owners in them. They would miss no opportunity to, among a thousand
idols, to find even one of gold.
Though failing, that was an exceptional Pope. For an idea of just what
present-day Popes have been, do a google search using the keywords
"Managua" and "Pope John Paul" while this new Pope: well, you've got
eyes to see for yourself.
Zerge
> During Mexico's Inquistion,
The INQUISITION?? Jesus Christ John! At this rate you'll soon be
discussing how 15th century Aztec-Tlaxcaltec politics affects Mexico
today!
Shouldn't you be in a history newsgroup instead?
Don Gabacho
Zerge wrote:
> Shouldn't you be in a history newsgroup instead?
I am. No "instead" about it though. Your aversion to even background is
just another sign of your aversion to even foreground and its
"Handwriting on the Wall."
THE-M...@webtv.net
Thanks.