I sense a lot of racism in this group...
3ID64AR
where you brought up hating em?
I buy houses - mostly in blue collar neighborhoods, fix them up and
rent them out. There are quite a few Mexican families in these
neighborhoods and some of the things I've read here do ring true. I've
seen houses that have several cars in front of them and there is quite
a bit of "tagging" around town. The spray painting gets on my nerves
but other than that - I haven't had any problems living near them.
What are your experiences?
GeekBoy
"3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118030562.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Just wondering is this because of your experiences with Mexican's or
> where you brought up hating em?
Since when is 'Mexican' a race?
>
> I buy houses - mostly in blue collar neighborhoods, fix them up and
> rent them out. There are quite a few Mexican families in these
> neighborhoods and some of the things I've read here do ring true. I've
> seen houses that have several cars in front of them and there is quite
> a bit of "tagging" around town. The spray painting gets on my nerves
> but other than that - I haven't had any problems living near them.
>
There is a running joke I saw on SNL many years ago. A person was portraying
Ronald Regan.
It went: "Why can't a Mexican open a checking account in California? Because
there is not enough room on the check to sign their name with a spray can."
> What are your experiences?
Look at the LA area. Street signs are protected by razor wire. Only place in
US that this is done.
>
Scipio
Funny subject line.
What's the point, we all have experiences, and your experiences don't
negate his experiences or mine or hers. Ultimately, that's what
hostile debaters on these kind of issues want to do, delegitimize each
other, and that doesn't lead anywhere.
I can't recall any poster I've read who "grew up hating Mexicans", or
anyone I've know off the net for that matter.
3ID64AR
> On 5 Jun 2005 21:02:42 -0700, "3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just wondering is this because of your experiences with Mexican's or
> >where you brought up hating em?
> >
> >I buy houses - mostly in blue collar neighborhoods, fix them up and
> >rent them out. There are quite a few Mexican families in these
> >neighborhoods and some of the things I've read here do ring true. I've
> >seen houses that have several cars in front of them and there is quite
> >a bit of "tagging" around town. The spray painting gets on my nerves
> >but other than that - I haven't had any problems living near them.
> >
> >What are your experiences?
>
> Funny subject line.
What's funny about someone making an observation?
>
> What's the point, we all have experiences, and your experiences don't
> negate his experiences or mine or hers. Ultimately, that's what
> hostile debaters on these kind of issues want to do, delegitimize each
> other, and that doesn't lead anywhere.
What's the point? Why, I'm interested in people and their experiences.
I'm also in the construction/real estate field and there obviously are
quite a few Mexican's that work in this trade. The subs that utilize
Mexican's on their crews that have ever brought the subject of them up
- so far - have been to compliment their hard work.
>
> I can't recall any poster I've read who "grew up hating Mexicans", or
> anyone I've know off the net for that matter.
Sounds like you where a sheltered child. There are a lot of kids that
grow up in an environment where the parents express racism towards
others. Children often times have a tendancy to pick up their parents
beliefs and views.
Perfesser White
"3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> racism towards others
Dammit, how many sock puppets does this queer bait have?
Perfesser White
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Scipio
>Scipio wrote:
>> On 5 Jun 2005 21:02:42 -0700, "3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just wondering is this because of your experiences with Mexican's or
>> >where you brought up hating em?
>> >
>> >I buy houses - mostly in blue collar neighborhoods, fix them up and
>> >rent them out. There are quite a few Mexican families in these
>> >neighborhoods and some of the things I've read here do ring true. I've
>> >seen houses that have several cars in front of them and there is quite
>> >a bit of "tagging" around town. The spray painting gets on my nerves
>> >but other than that - I haven't had any problems living near them.
>> >
>> >What are your experiences?
>>
>> Funny subject line.
>
>What's funny about someone making an observation?
What's funny is that you are an obvious troll, thinking he isn't
obvious.
>>
>> What's the point, we all have experiences, and your experiences don't
>> negate his experiences or mine or hers. Ultimately, that's what
>> hostile debaters on these kind of issues want to do, delegitimize each
>> other, and that doesn't lead anywhere.
>
>What's the point? Why, I'm interested in people and their experiences.
> I'm also in the construction/real estate field and there obviously are
>quite a few Mexican's that work in this trade. The subs that utilize
>Mexican's on their crews that have ever brought the subject of them up
>- so far - have been to compliment their hard work.
Yes, what's the point. You are doing the very thing I said there.
Darn, you're crafty devil.
>>
>> I can't recall any poster I've read who "grew up hating Mexicans", or
>> anyone I've know off the net for that matter.
>
>Sounds like you where a sheltered child. There are a lot of kids that
>grow up in an environment where the parents express racism towards
>others. Children often times have a tendancy to pick up their parents
>beliefs and views.
Sounds like you don't know how I grew up or anything about me. You
want to tell people you don't even know, how they grew up? What the
people in their lives, whom you also don't know, taught them (or
didn't teach them)? To suit some moronic liberal prejuduce in favor of
Mexican Illegals, presumably. Get a better script.
3ID64AR
Halcitron
I grew up with Mexicans as my playmates and neighbors. Later I learned
to call them Latinos, Chicanos, and Hispanics. I didn't learn Spanish
in school, because my family was nomadic. I noticed while grownig up,
it was some Mexicans, who seemed to be rebelling against the white man,
by vandalizing property. In highschool, I couldn't get into language
clases. In my twenty years of Navy service, I didn't need to speak
Spanish. I get out in the civilian world, and to take a lead or forman
job, I need to be Bi-Lingual English/Spanish or English/Vietnamese.
I live in the low rent section of town. A nice white lady owns and
manages the property. She's had offers of $1.3million, but won't sell.
The grounds are maitained nicely, by a Mexican crew, on a weekly
schedule. This property is surrounded by mosly Hispanics. There is a
grafitii problem, but it is under control. I've seen a drug problem,
but the cops are very agressive against that shit. WE have elemetary,
Jr-High and High schools, within two miles of each other. Children walk
to school, escorted by parents/guardians.
:/
edi...@netpath.net
>What are your experiences?
"Barrioization" of any place they become a mass presence in. Don't
be surprised when five families of them are in a 1,000-sq-ft house -
something that no area blacks do.
DUI at double the rate either American blacks or European-Americans
do - according to federal statistics.
Massive public health problems - due to arriving without health
checks, rampant use of poisonous folk "cures," etc.
Graphic Queen
<perfess...@whiteuniv.org> wrote:
>In article <1118036807....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> "3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> racism towards others
>
>Dammit, how many sock puppets does this queer bait have?
It seems a ton of them and more to come.
Xeno Chauvin
> where you brought up hating em?
I learned my "racism" from a Mexican.
At 14 years old I had an undying crush on Maria-Helena Gomez.
I, being an "Anglo" from the white side of town, dared to foray into the
barrio
to inform Ms.Gomez of my feelings.
Her father answered the door and proceeded to let me
know "I was an Anglo" and she was a "Mexican" and
"I should keep my Anglo-self away from his Mexican daughter".
That was 50 years ago and I guess my appraisal
of the Mexican psyche has gotten progressively critical since then.
Xeno
tooly
"3ID64AR" <boldi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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All animals have a sense that kick in when conditions call 'to be wary'
["Danger Will Robinson, Danger"]. Suburbia Mexicans...that is, those who
are educated, have a 'real' worthwhile skill to offer the community where
they can support a reasonably middle class lifestyle, there's no problem.
Such people, know of the vagracies of 'civil' order and how to behave as
civil minded, even responsible people [on average...] who exist at least
partly considerate of their neighbor, even passersby on the street.
But then, they are the ones who will be going through proper channels to
relocate here legally. And I AM a racist...at least as a 'rational' person
who argues that race, though not the entire explantion of the human
equation, is at least a part of that equation. [we should investiage more
just how large a coefficient such variable should be weighted...but far more
than anything we are giving it in today's hegemony].
But I exit a WalMart and see a 'gang' of what appears to be, not just
different people, but those who obviously are not just disparate, but
possibly 'desperate' as well, probably having not known the better elements
of civlization, good income, respect of community, civil order and the
like...who on the one hand, I might feel sympathy for to send aid to their
regions that they might raise themselves up, but on the other hand, should
not been within a thousand miles of MY home, MY family, MY community for
sake of that 'desperateness' that breeds 'uncivility' and 'tempts' even an
honest man to violate the sanctities of safety found in the civil condition
that our forebears fought and struggled and won over time. And so the animal
instinct in me 'screams' out...'Danger Will Robinson, Danger". Especially
of my wife, my kids, that which I treasure the most.
Is this callous of me? Sure it is. When it comes to protecting that
sanctity of a reasonably 'worthwhile' way of existence, free from 'fear' of
that desperateness that breeds criminality, of the bottom rungs of pyramidal
survival where only the underlying predator nature of this world is given
'presence' in a community...then I say..KEEP OUT. Build the wall, the
barbed wire fence, the barriers...to protect that sanctity and to preserve
that which has been raised to be 'worthwhile' in this world, while working,
at arms length to help those still stuck in jungle existence to raise up
that 'region' that might be unfortunate to remain in the animal quagmire
where civility is still a foreign thing [or lesser], but in 'partnership'
and tutorlage, that we might be able to minimize the 'torturous' struggle
that those before us had to bear, that such region might be able gain it's
'civil' condition with far less 'sacrifice'.
But just to let such desperateness roam into our 'civil' neighborhoods
willynilly, for sake of some shortsighted 'moralistic' crazy notion that
'this is the right thing to do'...well, goodbye freedom, goodbye saftety,
goodbye 'sanctity', goodbye civility...hello 'jungle'.
Actually, I believe 'enough' in what we are about [as the ideals our
forebears founded here] to protect what we got. What is happening with the
open borders is insane you know.
Sandy Myers
speaking in Spanish and it doesn't matter how long they have lived here
either. It creates a sense of resentment that these people do not
respect our language.
Most of them hate anglos and blacks. I work with many of them and have
witnessed first hand their racists attitudes.
They do not breed responsibly. But then maybe thats on purpose
because they want to take over the United States by sheer numbers.
Most of them legal or otherwise condone illegal immigration as long as
the illegals are of their own ethnicity.
Their advocacy groups are the most racist on the planet. Groups such
as La Raza, LULAC and MALDEF (spelling?) should be shut down for
anti-Americanism and trying to gain political power in a foreign
country.
I am sure there are other things I have noticed on a day to day basis.
But this is enough to convince me that the United States being taken
over by Latin Americans/Mexicans is not a desirable thing for those of
us who hold this country's heritage, culture, language and way of life
dear to our hearts and have ancestors that go back to the founding
fathers.
edi...@netpath.net
>My experiences with Mexicans are as such: Everywhere I go, they are
>speaking in Spanish and it doesn't matter how long they have lived here
>either.
They DON'T assimilate! You're just seeing it; they REVERSE
assimilate the Americans they come into close contact with. Here in
North Carolina, when they intermarry a local, she invariably ends up
speaking his Mexican Spanish whenever they are out in public - never
him speaking her Southern English.
Save on gas! Shop the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
tooly
those that might 'hire' illegals to supplant those legally applicable to
employment in this country? I don't give a flying f&$# if someone might be
the best craftsman the world has ever known...if he is illegal, he is
ILLEGAL. Sheese, why can't these guys get the message???!!
Here is an economic fact though before you go espousing the 'virtues' of
Mexican labor. It is a mathematical 'reality' that MEASURED productivity of
Mexicans as a general workforce is 'inferior' to that of most industrialized
nations. This has been shown NOT to be connected with the capital infusion
(which is substantially less of course being a developing country), but
because of the 'workforce' itself...a matter of labor.
Education levels have been promoted as one reason why such labor
productivity seems to be trailing behind. But implicating education's
impact from generations ago, not just today...making it nearly impossible
for such labor forces to catch up any time soon [if ever?]. Of course,
anyone with 'sober eyes' can see the deeper aspect that 'people' themselves,
their nature, character, traits and qualities...all go to make up
identifiable 'differences' in the world. But present 'ruling thought' is so
afraid of the word 'race' that such obvious things are conveniently looked
away from.
Tell me...did anyone reading this [especially 3DID64AR] recieve an
'auto-response' reaction of repulsion when you came to the word 'race'?
Pavlov's dogs salivated at the ring of bells; so also, have we humans been
so conditioned...and thusly, REASON is being overidden by tyrannical
manipulations of our senses to promote certain 'socializations' that
otherwise, would not take place.
THINK ABOUT IT. Stop being someone's elses attack dog, one and all.
"Scipio" <iluvt...@actd.net> wrote in message
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pomp...@hotmail.com
Everywhere I go, they are
speaking in Spanish and it doesn't matter how long they have lived here
either. "
Again, what business is it of yours what other people speak?
"It creates a sense of resentment that these people do not
respect our language."
Its paranoia what is fed. What is there to respect? Language is a
tool. Are YOU respectful enough of the English language to have read
through Chaucer or Beowulf? Or some Shakespeare? Certainly Kipling
and all his burdens ought to be familiar to you if you are so
respectful of English. If not, get thee to a library and learn to
respect it yourself first! Oh, for a muse of fire to light all the
meth labs in west virginny! Dumb is dumb and hick is hick and never
the twain shall bathe! Now is the minnie men vigil of our discontent.
Once more into the holler y'all! Cry yeehhaaa! And let loose them coon
dogs of war! Beware the Mexican jabberwocky my child! There. Is that
disrespecful enough? LOL.
<etc, etc,...etc...yawn>
My name is Legion
Why is it racism when we want to secure our borders? Every single
country in the world has the right to to allow or disallow people from
entering their country... yet if the US does it it is called racism.
1. Taxes: illegals take more out in tax payer supported social
services then they put in. For evey $1 they pay in taxes they take
back out $4 in social services cost.
2. Schools: In So Cal the schools are forced to provide classes in
spanish thus taking away $ that could be used elsewhere in the school.
Besides the over crowding in %60 of the schools in So Cal due to the
children of illegals. Once again they put an undo burden of cost on
the middle class. Illegals do not pay enough in taxes to support the
number of children that they send to our schools.
3. Crime: Look at all the local jails, they are 60% hispanic and out
of those more then 50% are here illegally. Again another tax payer
supported service that is being undully burdened by illegals.
Your middle class is 90% of your local tax base in cities and if you
start losing your middle class like what is happening in L.A. County
who will you tax? The middle class in L.A. County is leaving and for
the first time more left this past year then moved in.... do you know
who is replacing the middle class in L.A. county? thats right illegals
and if it continues where will L.A. county find the money for all the
social programs the illegals demand and for that matter where will the
moeny be found for the schools?
Sandy Myers
concept of respect vs rudeness. And to think we invited you
ungrateful, arrogant third worlders in here and looked the other way
when your illegal brethern followed. Time for a house cleaning and to
send you all back to the land of "Spanish speakers".
3ID64AR
you feel the economic burden imposed illegal Mexican's coming here is
where your anger at them comes from.
I think if those that held your views where to focus your energy at the
US Corporations that are hiring them, you would have more success at
stopping illegal immigration. Do you think Mexican's would risk their
life coming to the US if there where no American's hiring them? It's a
supply/demand issue, US Corp's/private citizens are supplying
jobs/opportunity to them and they will keep coming here illegally until
that ends. Also, the US Gov't has decided to look the other way and
allow this to happen. Be mad at the US Gov't and the US Corps that are
hiring them if you Really want to stop illegal immigration.
3ID64AR
different people, but those who obviously are not just disparate, but
possibly 'desperate' as well, probably having not known the better
elements
of civlization, good income, respect of community, civil order and the
like...who on the one hand, I might feel sympathy for to send aid to
their
regions that they might raise themselves up, but on the other hand,
should
not been within a thousand miles of MY home, MY family, MY community
for
sake of that 'desperateness' that breeds 'uncivility' and 'tempts' even
an
honest man to violate the sanctities of safety found in the civil
condition
that our forebears fought and struggled and won over time. And so the
animal
instinct in me 'screams' out...'Danger Will Robinson, Danger".
Especially
of my wife, my kids, that which I treasure the most. "
You sound like an intelligent person and sincere in your concerns. If I
had a wife and children and there where disparate/desperate looking
people that I'm not familiar with hanging outside places your family
frequents - chances are I would feel like you do.
Tiny Human Ferret
While on the subject of jabberwocky, that was a fine example.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
Scipio
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>pomp...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Sandy Miados dry heaved: "My experiences with Mexicans are as such:
>> Everywhere I go, they are
>> speaking in Spanish and it doesn't matter how long they have lived here
>>
>> either. "
>>
>> Again, what business is it of yours what other people speak?
>>
>> "It creates a sense of resentment that these people do not
>> respect our language."
>>
>> Its paranoia what is fed. What is there to respect? Language is a
>> tool. Are YOU respectful enough of the English language to have read
>> through Chaucer or Beowulf? Or some Shakespeare? Certainly Kipling
>> and all his burdens ought to be familiar to you if you are so
>> respectful of English. If not, get thee to a library and learn to
>> respect it yourself first! Oh, for a muse of fire to light all the
>> meth labs in west virginny! Dumb is dumb and hick is hick and never
>> the twain shall bathe! Now is the minnie men vigil of our discontent.
>> Once more into the holler y'all! Cry yeehhaaa! And let loose them coon
>> dogs of war! Beware the Mexican jabberwocky my child! There. Is that
>> disrespecful enough? LOL.
>
>While on the subject of jabberwocky, that was a fine example.
I'd think Pompous was a meth fiend if I didn't know better...
Maybe it's my advancing age, but I'm finding it easier to discern the
hyper-intelligent idiots from the intelligent.
pomp...@hotmail.com
teach English classes (or French or whatever, dependingon the
orientation of the school...i.e. "Colegio Frances"...or "Colegio
Alejandro Humboldt") as part of the regular curriculum. (Before
Gabacho comes back with his bullshit, let me point out that he seemed
to have been hanging around with proletarian "escuelas patito".) I had
to struggle through Shakespeare in high school (and delighted on the
Spanish wit of Cervantes and Francisco de Quevedo) until I got my teen
rocks off with Richard II (I myself am not made to court an amorous
looking glass or made to prance around to the sound of a lascivious
lute, hence I have decided to be a villain). But Lewis Carroll was
always a favorite, along with Poe, and later WIfred Owen and the rest
of the trench poets, hence the reference to the Jabberwocky. (To die
drunk in a blizzard in Baltimore was a quite sad fate for Poe; he ought
to have fallen and drowned instead in a cask of amontillado.) People
speak whatever language they happen to be comfortable with given who
they are talking and the dynamics of the situation. I don't think
there is any love or hatred involved and a mojado is not well off
enough to become a political extremist! Charles V spoke in French to
his diplomats, in German to his horse, Italian to the ladies, and
prayed to God in Spanish.
pomp...@hotmail.com
No dear, Mexican is not an insult to me. Illiterate 'murrican would
be. And it was not YOU who invited them (who the heck you think you
are, Vortigern?). The plutocrats who own your country invited them.
On top of the miserly wages they get you also want them to be grateful?
To speak English? We are in money economies. People will do what
maximizes their income. The mojados can make x times the wages for the
same job they could get in Mexico, hence, they are here. They are a
symptom. The root cause is that the owners of capital see an advantage
in offering them jobs. (Tyson Chicken puts ads in Mexican newspapers
to recruit employees.) It might not seem ethical but since the dawn of
civilization capitalists have relied on having a low paid underclass
that can be exploited, sent off as cannon fodder, and manipulated with
promises and small crumbs. The mojados might not cover the latter two
requirements (maybe not, the capitalists will change the laws of "your"
country as they see fit) but they are maximizing the capitalists'
profits via the first requirement. You and the rest of your
lumpenproletariat brethen are now seen as too expensive and too stoned
to give an adequate ROI; heck its not only you, its you and also your
middle class! If things collapse, these sons of bitches will always
come out unscathed, on the top, as they always do.
Sandy Myers
langauge? BY USAGE, you dimwit. The Mexicans refuse to speak
English even when they know how, so thats why they never become English
language speakers in mainstream United States.
It is still rude when you decide to migrate to another country and
refuse to become a speaker of that country's native language. It is
called non-assimilation and rudeness.
At work the Mexicans rarely speak English even though they know how too
because it was a requirement. On their brakes on their cell phones,
I never hear them speaking English to the person they are talking too.
I ask myself, don't they know anyone who speaks English?
pomp...@hotmail.com
langauge? BY USAGE, you dimwit. The Mexicans refuse to speak
English even when they know how, so thats why they never become
English
language speakers in mainstream United States. "
But that is not a problem for those who bring them over, the
capitalists that own your country. You keep centering on the Mexicans
who, I repeat, are a symptom. The majority of the mojados do not want
to stay in your country. They come to d their jobs and would rather
return. Given that that is the case and given that the employers do
not mind if they do not talk English (how much erudition is needed to
lay bricks?) then why should they learn English? But it is easier for
a racist cracker to bitch to a mojado than to go after the
corporations, comprende. The first has no protection under the law,
other than a few caveats, and the second ones own the country and would
have the authorities kick his/her butt.
"It is still rude when you decide to migrate to another country and
refuse to become a speaker of that country's native language. It is
called non-assimilation and rudeness. "
Again, you don't own your country. The capitalists do. They do not
care about these issues. And the majority of the mojados don't care to
assimilate as they would rather return.
"At work the Mexicans rarely speak English even though they know how
too
because it was a requirement. On their brakes on their cell phones,
I never hear them speaking English to the person they are talking too.
I ask myself, don't they know anyone who speaks English? "
And what business is it of you who they talk to and how they talk to
during their breaks? You complain that it is rudeness for them to talk
in Spanish in front of you. Granted, in a work situation that might be
correct. But does this apply during a break? What if they are calling
long distance to relatives in Mexico? And how rude can it be for
someone to always be eardropping on one's conversation? Gee, lady,
mind your own business!
Juan
Mexicans as a general workforce is 'inferior' to that of most
industrialized
nations. This has been shown NOT to be connected with the capital
infusion
(which is substantially less of course being a developing country), but
because of the 'workforce' itself...a matter of labor. >>
Nonsense. You clowns need to listen to less of your own racist
propaganda and get out in the real world more often.
Juan
checks, rampant use of poisonous folk "cures," etc. >>
More nonsense, completely blown out of proportion by racist interests.
Juan
the
barrio
to inform Ms.Gomez of my feelings.
Her father answered the door and proceeded to let me
know "I was an Anglo" and she was a "Mexican" and
"I should keep my Anglo-self away from his Mexican daughter". >>
And you have been whining over a gal whose parents rejected you 50
years ago? Let me guess -- you are still a virgin, right?
Christ, all of you racists are just really fucked up.
Juan
<< They do not breed responsibly. But then maybe thats on purpose
because they want to take over the United States by sheer numbers. >>
ROFL! And the scary thing is that Myers is pretty bright for a racist.
Dumber than snot for a non-racist, but compared to the rest of you
hicks she at least comes across as being semi-normal.
Juan
civilization capitalists have relied on having a low paid underclass
that can be exploited, sent off as cannon fodder, and manipulated with
promises and small crumbs. >>
A-men. And in a nutshell, that's what you see here when these racists
whine. The US underclass, with a keyboard in front of them.
Impressive bunch of freaks, aren't they? They are clueless when it
comes to Mexico and Mexicans, they live like the trailer trash that
they are, they need to blame their problems on others, and despite
living in a nation that offered them all of the economic advantages in
the world they still have to compete with peasants from Mexico who
simply will work harder than they will.
Ain't our racist rednecks something to be proud of? ROFL!!
Juan
<< At work the Mexicans rarely speak English even though they know how
too >>
t-o, not t-o-o
<< because it was a requirement. On their brakes on their cell
phones >>
breaks, not brakes. Unless, of course, they are taking their breaks in
their automobiles.
Before you criticize someone else's language skills, Myers, you would
be better off if you knew your own first language a little better.
Juan
services then they put in. For evey $1 they pay in taxes they take
back out $4 in social services cost. >>
That's nonsense spread by the racist lobby. Most illegals are afraid
to use those social services and they contribute to Social Security yet
do not expect to get a return.
The only practical way to save Social Security is to bring more people
into the system, and the only way to do that is by allowing immigrants
to join the system legally. Face facts.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118178548.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Yet another ridiculous post from the Mexican parasite. A common
language is important in so many ways to community and to nation
that to list them and discuss them would require volumes and would evidently
be wasted on you anyhow.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118232753.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
The mentality of fatalism and acquiescence in one's own demise
is typical of Mexicans. Those characteristics are why Americans
who know Mexicans think they're ridiculous and unsuited to
live in this country. When, by the way, will you stop being
a parasite on this country and return to your beloved homeland?
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118240270....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "Pompous Ass, how do you think one becomes more proficient in a
> langauge? BY USAGE, you dimwit. The Mexicans refuse to speak
> English even when they know how, so thats why they never become
> English
> language speakers in mainstream United States. "
>
> But that is not a problem for those who bring them over, the
> capitalists that own your country. You keep centering on the Mexicans
> who, I repeat, are a symptom.
In regaining the heatlh of a patient, both the causes and the
symptoms of a disease are always addressed.
> The majority of the mojados do not want
> to stay in your country. They come to d their jobs and would rather
> return.
Right. Temporary parasites. Unfortunately, many are
instead remaining here.
> Given that that is the case and given that the employers do
> not mind if they do not talk English (how much erudition is needed to
> lay bricks?) then why should they learn English?
Because they're living in a society that speaks English. It's
curious, isn't' it, that some condemn Americans for not learning
langugages, even when the American does not live overseas
and has no intention of ever doing so. Yet you make no end
of silly excuses for Mexicans remianing monolingual
in this country. But then you're a Mexican, aren't you,
and that by definition involves considerably hypocrisy.
> But it is easier for
> a racist cracker to bitch to a mojado than to go after the
> corporations, comprende.
No. Whaqt do you mean by "go after?"
> The first has no protection under the law,
> other than a few caveats, and the second ones own the country and would
> have the authorities kick his/her butt.
> "It is still rude when you decide to migrate to another country and
> refuse to become a speaker of that country's native language. It is
> called non-assimilation and rudeness. "
>
> Again, you don't own your country.
Non sequitur.
> The capitalists do. They do not
> care about these issues. And the majority of the mojados don't care to
> assimilate as they would rather return.
>
> "At work the Mexicans rarely speak English even though they know how
> too
> because it was a requirement. On their brakes on their cell phones,
> I never hear them speaking English to the person they are talking too.
> I ask myself, don't they know anyone who speaks English? "
>
> And what business is it of you who they talk to and how they talk to
> during their breaks? You complain that it is rudeness for them to talk
> in Spanish in front of you. Granted, in a work situation that might be
> correct. But does this apply during a break? What if they are calling
> long distance to relatives in Mexico? And how rude can it be for
> someone to always be eardropping on one's conversation? Gee, lady,
> mind your own business!
She is.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118231718.1...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And all of that goes to show that you assholes can be
educated, but you still retain the blustering hypocrisy that
is so quintessentially Mexican.
pomp...@hotmail.com
Really? What business is it of her what or how or to whom someone on
their break speaks?
pomp...@hotmail.com
assholes can be
educated, but you still retain the blustering hypocrisy that
is so quintessentially Mexican. "
LOL! What's hypocritical about the jabberwocky? Chingao, you get a
winnie shrivel for just about anything man!
pomp...@hotmail.com
ahead and get the operation.
Sandy Myers
A lot were even born here. So don't give me that crap that they are
temporarily here, illegal mojados, cause they ain't!
I do not eavesdrop on their conversations during breaks. We have a
common break area and everything is within earshot, got that too now?
Why is it then, that no matter where one goes, restaurants, grocery
stores, public offices, department stores, etc., that they are all
speaking Spanish at all times? Gonna try and tell me that they are
all mojados instead of legally here or were even born here?
Sandy Myers
gainfully employed in middle income jobs for over 40 years. My home is
paid for and I have a nice nest egg saved up. Those of us in this ng
that are opposed to illegal immigration are not economically, or
educationally disadvantaged and certainly never had to compete with some
illiterate, illegal alien for a job. We do not live in trailers
either.
We do however, feel for "other" American citizens who are poor and
disadvanted and do have to compete for these low paying jobs. It has
nothing to do with us on a personal level!
You just don't get it do you? But then again, you probably do. It is
the only way you can defend your treasonous postion by claiming the
above, isn't it?
Sandy Myers
address any of the comments though.
By the way, I just didn't proof read my post or I would have corrected
my spelling and gramatical errors. You really are pathetic. I have
caught you many times with the same type of errors but I guess its okay,
cause its you?
Sandy Myers
the illegals take more out of our system then they put in. Going to
deny that too? Your Social Security claims are all wrong too and those
statistics can be readily looked up too.
But you always believe you want to anyway. Like not admiting that 80% of
Americans are against illegal immigration according to all reliable
polls. Do you plan on remaining stupid for the rest of your life?
pomp...@hotmail.com
I don't know or care whether they are mojados or not. I just want to
know: what business is it of you what, how, when, and why they are
speaking?
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118256589....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> More winnie shrivel from Rabid Reader. Shoot, he just ought to go
> ahead and get the operation.
The irrelevant nonsense of parasitic Mexicans is always
so instructive.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118256278.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for demonstrating my point.
pomp...@hotmail.com
is typical of Mexicans. Those characteristics are why Americans
who know Mexicans think they're ridiculous and unsuited to
live in this country. When, by the way, will you stop being
a parasite on this country and return to your beloved homeland? "
Hope to retire pretty soon, sell the business, go back to civilization,
and let someone else meet the engineering payroll and then be called a
parasite by a retarded cracker.
H. Reader
"Sandy Myers" <sk...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:24864-42A...@storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net...
Sandy, you're trying to talk sense to a psychopath. That is
always futile.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118255876.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The routine speaking of a foreign language in the work place is rude
and obnoxious and unacceptable.
pomp...@hotmail.com
Your point seems to be that your dick shrivels so easily that now its
coming out your ass...its the tip coming out between your cheeks that
is the point! LOL!
pomp...@hotmail.com
on their own time, talking in their cell, with their nickel. What
business is it of her how, where, how, whom and what people talk during
a break? The routine of not minding your own business is rude and
obnoxious and unacceptable.
pomp...@hotmail.com
Mexicans is always
so instructive. "
Gee! I didn't know you cared! So now, you consider it nonsense to
call Mexicans parasitic...wow, that is a change of heart! Yes, its
very instructive. Winnie shrivel.
heck
security. Actually, the only practical way to save social security is
to deport all illegals so that wages will rise; thus allowing each job
to generate more money for social security.
Heck
Graphic Queen
Correct and Juanita is the most idiotic and because he knows he is in
most people's kill files he continually make another sock puppet to
argue with.
Graphic Queen
><< 1. Taxes: illegals take more out in tax payer supported social
>services then they put in. For evey $1 they pay in taxes they take
>back out $4 in social services cost. >>
>
>
>That's nonsense spread by the racist lobby. Most illegals are afraid
>to use those social services and they contribute to Social Security yet
>do not expect to get a return.
LIAR and just BS posting as usual.
>
>The only practical way to save Social Security is to bring more people
>into the system, and the only way to do that is by allowing immigrants
>to join the system legally. Face facts.
You don't your ass from a hole in the wall.
Graphic Queen
>More winnie shrivel from Rabid Reader. Shoot, he just ought to go
>ahead and get the operation.
You are the one who whines and hardly ever tells the truth.
pomp...@hotmail.com
pomp...@hotmail.com
Sandy Myers
American citizens "business". You miss the point, once again as
usual. It is a matter of assimilation, respect and manners.
They aren't tourists, they live here. Therefore they should speak
English out in public, especially the workplace. I don't care if
they speak "pig latin" at home. You live in America, then be
American, otherwise go home to the country that you love so much along
with that language.
Its their attitude that is displacing Americans in the workplace.
Many businesses are preferencial hiring Spanish speakers now.
Everything is being printed for them in Spanish now. Politicians are
pandering to them in their language now. All because they insist on
having their language here. I wouldn't think of migrating to another
country and not adopting their culture, language and their way of life.
It would be and is sheer arrogance and rudeness.
Sandy Myers
"legally" before they crossed the border. They chose not to! They
jumped to the head of the line by the millions. And these are the
people you think should be future citizens and awarded for their
criminal act?
Sandy Myers
on duty. It is not just their breaks! They have been warned by
management but they just thumb their noses at them and everyone else.
Sandy Myers
to accept the truth and quit lying but I love showing him up for the
total idiot that he is.
pomp...@hotmail.com
my business or any other
American citizens "business". You miss the point, once again as
usual. It is a matter of assimilation, respect and manners."
Yep. Its all about manners. If they are talking on their cell during
their break it is no business of you.
"They aren't tourists, they live here. Therefore they should speak
English out in public, especially the workplace. I don't care if
they speak "pig latin" at home. You live in America, then be
American, otherwise go home to the country that you love so much along
with that language."
There is no such law. That is just your opinion then. You are
entitled to have one, just like everyone is entitled to have an asshole
and hopefully wipe it. That is what people will use your opinion for.
"Its their attitude that is displacing Americans in the workplace.
Many businesses are preferencial hiring Spanish speakers now.
Everything is being printed for them in Spanish now. Politicians are
pandering to them in their language now. All because they insist on
having their language here. I wouldn't think of migrating to another
country and not adopting their culture, language and their way of life.
It would be and is sheer arrogance and rudeness. "
So go after the politicians then. You are obviously ineffective with
the folks in your workplace that piss you off so much. Maybe they will
hear you in Washington. Do you have enough money to buy some?
Everything is for sale in 'murrica. If you don't have the cash, you
are SOL.
pomp...@hotmail.com
their noses at everyone else --they probably do to you LOL-- but if
management has a problem...then it is management's (and you don't seem
to be management) problem. But, if it is at their breaks, on their
cell, on their nickel, then mind your own business. No wonder they
thumb their noses at you, rude hick.
Sandy Myers
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118261333....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You aren't exactly literate either, are you.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118259821....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Rabid "The mentality of fatalism and acquiescence in one's own demise
> is typical of Mexicans. Those characteristics are why Americans
> who know Mexicans think they're ridiculous and unsuited to
> live in this country. When, by the way, will you stop being
> a parasite on this country and return to your beloved homeland? "
>
> Hope to retire pretty soon,
Good.
sell the business, go back to civilization,
Ah yes, the corruption and ignorance and poverty and superstition
that you Mexicans refer to as your "civilization." How wonderful.
> and let someone else meet the engineering payroll and then be called a
> parasite by a retarded cracker.
Plenty of informed and thoughtful Americans would call you
a parasite, if you'd just give them the opportunity.
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118260796....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Anything in defense of Mexicans and their piggishness, right?
H. Reader
<pomp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118260672.0...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And now the standard Mexican retreat to anatomy and
bodily functions ... of course. That's so quintessentially
Mexican too, isn't it.
Maxx
"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:FdLpe.17593$_w.7868@trnddc01...
Isn't it amazing that the "Self Proclaimed Upper Class" have comebacks
like the so called "Trailer Trash" and "Ghetto Dwellers" they accuse others
of being? Ah-yes, the Fantasy Land which is Usenet, where they can
claim to be anything they want to be.
Maybe I'll buy Mexico tomorrow, I need a place to walk my dog.
Juan
language is important in so many ways to community and to nation
that to list them and discuss them would require volumes and would
evidently
be wasted on you anyhow. >>
Douglas, just go and have your next nervous breakdown and leave the
intelligent people alone. Your peers have stated quite loudly that you
are a dullard, and as Americans go the rest of us US citizens think
that you are an asshole. Zerge makes you look like the fool that you
are.
Sandy Myers
among the 80% of Americans who oppose illegal immigration. You
however, classify yourself as part of the "rest of Americans",
erroneously. You are in the 20% bracket and actually probably lower
than that. There is probably a treasonous troll percentage just for
your kind.
Tiny Human Ferret
I believe that what we have here is a failure to communicate. This is
characterized by H. Reader being entirely serious, and pomponiox being
resolutely facetious.
I think it's time to Meow this thread.
Meow.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
H. Reader
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote in message news:42A8E0F7...@earthops.net...
> pomp...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> "<pompon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118256278.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Rabid Reader dry heaved: " And all of that goes to show that you
>>>assholes can be
>>>educated, but you still retain the blustering hypocrisy that
>>>is so quintessentially Mexican. "
>>
>>
>>>LOL! What's hypocritical about the jabberwocky? Chingao, you get a
>>>winnie shrivel for just about anything man!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating my point. "
>>
>>
>> Your point seems to be that your dick shrivels so easily that now its
>> coming out your ass...its the tip coming out between your cheeks that
>> is the point! LOL!
>
> I believe that what we have here is a failure to communicate. This is characterized by H. Reader being entirely
> serious, and pomponiox being resolutely facetious.
I'm never entirely serious.
pomp...@hotmail.com
seriously if he has no dick up front but instead it sticks out between
his cheeks. Maybe this messed up Caliban is the jabberwocky!
Tiny Human Ferret
> Sandy Myers whines:
>
> << They do not breed responsibly. But then maybe thats on purpose
> because they want to take over the United States by sheer numbers. >>
>
>
> ROFL! And the scary thing is that Myers is pretty bright for a racist.
> Dumber than snot for a non-racist, but compared to the rest of you
> hicks she at least comes across as being semi-normal.
>
Maybe she, unlike you, actually reads the news.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/08/AR2005060802381.html
<quote in-part>
Hispanic Growth Surge Fueled by Births in U.S.
By D'Vera Cohn
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 9, 2005; A01
Hispanics accounted for about half the growth in the U.S. population
since 2000, according to a Census Bureau report to be released today
that indicates the nation's largest minority group is increasing its
presence even faster than in the previous decade.
In another contrast to the 1990s, births have overtaken immigration this
decade as the largest source of Hispanic growth.
The new census figures paint a portrait of a Hispanic population
dominated by the young: Half are under age 27. By comparison, half of
non-Hispanic whites are over 40. That reflects a demographic divide that
could have broad implications, experts say. And the speedy growth of the
Hispanic population beyond the enclaves of the past could put their
concerns into a more national spotlight.
"It's going to have profound effects on America. They are no longer
regionally concentrated in places like California and New York," said
Harry P. Pachon, president of the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute, a
California think tank. "There are more Hispanics in Cook County,
Chicago, than in Arizona or Colorado or New Mexico. . . . The major
significance is that it's a national presence."
In July 2004, Hispanics numbered 41.3 million out of a national
population of nearly 293.7 million. They have the fastest growth rate
among the nation's major racial and ethnic groups. In the 1990s, they
accounted for 40 percent of the country's population increase. From 2000
to 2004, that figure grew to 49 percent.
The census report does not include local details, but previous figures
have shown Hispanics accounting for about a third of the Washington
area's growth from 2000 to 2003 and making up 9 percent of the regional
population. The Brookings Institution has dubbed Washington an area of
Hispanic "hyper-growth" and noted that the District has a higher share
of prosperous Hispanics than the rest of the country.
Over the past two decades, the Hispanic population has swelled largely
because of immigrants. Although immigration continues at a fast pace,
the mix changed this decade, and new immigrants are now outnumbered by
babies born in the United States and overwhelmingly likely to remain
here. One in five children under 18 is Hispanic, according to the census
figures.
[ ... ]
</quote>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/09/AR2005060900104.html
<quote in-part>
Hispanics Are Fastest Growing Minority
By PAULINE JELINEK
The Associated Press
Thursday, June 9, 2005; 2:40 AM
WASHINGTON -- One of every seven people in the United States is
Hispanic, a record number that probably will keep rising because of
immigration and a birth rate outstripping non-Hispanic blacks and whites.
The country's largest minority group accounted for one-half of the
overall population growth of 2.9 million between July 2003 and July
2004, according to a Census Bureau report being released Thursday.
The agency estimated there are 41.3 million Hispanics in the U.S. The
bureau does not ask people about their legal status; that number is
intended to include both legal and other residents.
The population growth for Asians ran a close second. Increases in both
groups are due largely to immigration, but also higher birth rates, said
Lewis W. Goodman, an American University expert on U.S.-Latin American
relations.
"If we didn't have those elements, we would be moving into a situation
like Japan and Europe ... where the populations are graying in a way
that is very alarming and endangering their productivity and endangering
even their social security systems," he said.
Most immigrants to the U.S. tend to arrive in their 20s, when many
people have children. A far greater percentage of whites than Hispanics
is 65 or older; the opposite is true of those under 18.
Immigration has become a volatile issue in Congress and border states,
as well as in Georgia and other places where there has been a surge in
new arrivals. Critics say lax enforcement of immigration laws has
allowed millions of people to enter the U.S. illegally, take jobs from
legal residents and drain social services.
The Hispanic growth rate for the 12 months starting July 2003 was 3.6
percent compared with the overall population growth of 1 percent.
The growth rate was 3.4 percent for Asians, 1.7 percent for native
Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders, 1.3 percent for blacks, 1 percent
for American Indians and Alaska natives, and 0.8 percent for whites.
That meant that at the beginning of July last year, the population was
an estimated 294 million with the following racial and ethnic breakdown:
240 million whites, 39.2 million blacks, 14 million Asians, 4.4 million
native Indians and Alaskans, and 980,000 native Hawaiians and other
islanders.
The numbers for all races and ethnic groups do not add up to the total
because 4.4 million people listed themselves as having more than one race.
The Census Bureau counts "Hispanic" or "Latino" as an ethnicity rather
than a race, so Hispanics can be of any race. The population of
non-Hispanic whites indicating no other race increased just 0.3 percent
in the past year, to 197.8 million.
[ ... ]
</quote>