Amnesty issue now lose-lose nightmare for Democrats
edi...@netpath.net
WASHINGTON — Immigration reform is increasingly looking like a
political albatross that could hurt Democrats in the 2010 midterm
elections whether President Obama succeeds or fails in overhauling
today's widely disliked system.
After postponing action for a year because of the national economic
crisis and a drawn-out debate over health reform, President Obama is
being pushed by advocates of comprehensive reform to fulfill the
campaign promise he made in 2008.
But a 2010 reform push faces daunting political challenges like solid
Republican opposition to key provisions and division among Democrats
over both strategy and substance. Democrats facing tough re-election
battles in states from Arkansas to North Dakota will be hard-pressed
to vote to legalize the status of unauthorized immigrants during an
economic downturn.
On the other hand, continuing inaction on the issue could alienate
crucial Hispanic voters who helped deliver the White House to
Democrats last year. And that could cost Democrats swing congressional
seats in Nevada, New Mexico and even Texas.
Latino civil rights groups are pushing the White House to move quickly
and aggressively, arguing that a promise is a promise.
“After being on our national agenda for a decade, comprehensive
immigration reform's time has come,” said Thomas Saenz, president of
the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
Ball in Senate's court
Perhaps. But the House Democratic leadership has become so skittish
about the issue's risks that Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is
demanding that the Senate go first. Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of
the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said House leaders
want to be sure the Senate can “get something done” before forcing its
members to cast a politically risky vote.
That's bad news for reform advocates. The Senate has been the
graveyard of comprehensive reform for a decade, despite strong support
in the past from Republicans such as Arizona Sen. John McCain.
“I think it's a bad environment for much to get done,” said Gary
Segura, a Stanford University political science professor.
Senate Republicans blocked a bipartisan reform bill in 2007. For
Democrats, even with a majority, it is uncertain whether they can
muster the votes to pass another. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-
Nev., pledges to bring the issue to the floor next year, but he has
yet to lay out a timetable for addressing it.
The most controversial subject is sure to be a pathway-to-citizenship
provision that many Republicans criticize as “amnesty.”
The House bill authored by Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., would grant
permanent resident status to unauthorized immigrants who, after paying
a $500 fine, learning English and passing background checks, could
gain citizenship. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., chairman of the Senate
Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, is expected to unveil his
version early next month.
4th place in line?
But Republicans already are labeling the citizenship provision “a job
killer” at a time when U.S. unemployment hovers near 10 percent.
“How can they allow 12 million illegal immigrants to take jobs that
should go to citizens and legal immigrants?” asks Rep. Lamar Smith, R-
San Antonio.
In the Senate, the legislative calendar for next year already includes
three other politically volatile issues: health-care reform, an
overhaul of financial regulations and energy legislation.
“You would have to probably put immigration reform behind those,” said
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary
subcommittee on immigration.
For Senate Democrats to muster the votes needed for passage, they must
include guest-worker programs for agricultural producers who compete
with growers in countries with lower labor rates – something not
contained in the leading House proposal.
“I think a country that's strong really should be able to produce its
own food, but you can't do it with domestic labor, and that's just a
fact,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
McCain, who co-sponsored the ill-fated 2007 bill, said reform that
doesn't include guest-worker plans would alienate any possible GOP
supporters.
edi...@netpath.net
into a nightmare for any area Democrat congressman who faces
reelection in only 11 months.
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GLOBALIST
mean that immigration work is not being done. I have been hearing some
great stories about new systems that seem to be working for immigrants
and the country.
Keep in mind it was not the Democrats who viciously attacked the
LATINA.
edi...@netpath.net
> Just because the Health Care Bill is hogging the news sites, does not
> mean that immigration work is not being done. I have been hearing some
> great stories about new systems that seem to be working for immigrants
> and the country.
"Immigrants?" An ILLEGAL ALIEN is still just that - legally
ineligible to work anywhere in Amerika, or even to be here. That's
the bottom line.
Hisler
> political albatross that could hurt Democrats in the 2010 midterm
> elections whether President Obama succeeds or fails in overhauling
> today's widely disliked system.
>
> After postponing action for a year because of the national economic
> crisis and a drawn-out debate over health reform, President Obama is
> being pushed by advocates of comprehensive reform to fulfill the
> campaign promise he made in 2008.
>
> But a 2010 reform push faces daunting political challenges like solid
> Republican opposition to key provisions and division among Democrats
> over both strategy and substance. Democrats facing tough re-election
> battles in states from Arkansas to North Dakota will be hard-pressed
> to vote to legalize the status of unauthorized immigrants during an
> economic downturn.
>
> On the other hand, continuing inaction on the issue could alienate
> crucial Hispanic voters who helped deliver the White House to
> Democrats last year. And that could cost Democrats swing congressional
> seats in Nevada, New Mexico and even Texas.
>
> Latino civil rights groups are pushing the White House to move quickly
> and aggressively, arguing that a promise is a promise.
>
> immigration reform's time has come,� said Thomas Saenz, president of
> the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
>
> Ball in Senate's court
> Perhaps. But the House Democratic leadership has become so skittish
> about the issue's risks that Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is
> demanding that the Senate go first. Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of
> the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said House leaders
> members to cast a politically risky vote.
>
> That's bad news for reform advocates. The Senate has been the
> graveyard of comprehensive reform for a decade, despite strong support
> in the past from Republicans such as Arizona Sen. John McCain.
>
> Segura, a Stanford University political science professor.
>
> Senate Republicans blocked a bipartisan reform bill in 2007. For
> Democrats, even with a majority, it is uncertain whether they can
> muster the votes to pass another. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-
> Nev., pledges to bring the issue to the floor next year, but he has
> yet to lay out a timetable for addressing it.
>
> The most controversial subject is sure to be a pathway-to-citizenship
>
> The House bill authored by Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., would grant
> permanent resident status to unauthorized immigrants who, after paying
> a $500 fine, learning English and passing background checks, could
> gain citizenship. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., chairman of the Senate
> Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, is expected to unveil his
> version early next month.
>
> 4th place in line?
> killer� at a time when U.S. unemployment hovers near 10 percent.
>
> �How can they allow 12 million illegal immigrants to take jobs that
> should go to citizens and legal immigrants?� asks Rep. Lamar Smith, R-
> San Antonio.
>
> In the Senate, the legislative calendar for next year already includes
> three other politically volatile issues: health-care reform, an
> overhaul of financial regulations and energy legislation.
>
> Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary
> subcommittee on immigration.
>
> For Senate Democrats to muster the votes needed for passage, they must
> include guest-worker programs for agricultural producers who compete
> contained in the leading House proposal.
>
> own food, but you can't do it with domestic labor, and that's just a
>
> McCain, who co-sponsored the ill-fated 2007 bill, said reform that
> doesn't include guest-worker plans would alienate any possible GOP
> supporters.
>
On a similar note:
In clear violation of the Equal Protection of the Law Statute of the
14th Amendment, Colorado "lawmakers" allow illegal aliens to attend
community colleges for free under a little known loophole that treats
their attendance as a continuation of K-12 education. It allows the
politicians to go beyond giving illegal aliens in-state tuition by
giving them a college education for free. Of course, the "lawmakers"
raised the tuition to law abiding citizens' children to socialize the
cost of giving free tuition to illegal invaders.
Denver and the West
Bill to grant in-state tuition to illegal immigrants with 3 years of
Colo. high school on hold until 2011
By Tim Hoover
The Denver Post
Posted: 12/27/2009 01:00:00 AM MST
A bill to allow illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition won't go
forward in the 2010 session, says the lawmaker who planned to sponsor
the legislation.
"I'm going to wait until 2011 to build a larger, broader, more
bipartisan coalition of business, religious, legislative and civic
leaders," said Rep. Joe Miklosi.
Miklosi, D-Denver, had said in October he was working to line up support
for the bill this session, which begins Jan. 13. A similar bill never
made it to the House last year, instead dying on the Senate floor after
five of 21 Democrats joined 14 Republicans in voting against it.
Some Democrats privately have said the issue could hurt the party in
what could be a challenging election year.
Sen. Ted Harvey, a Highlands Ranch Republican who was vocal in his
opposition to the bill last year, said Democrats are running scared.
"I think that they realized that it is an incredibly hot political
potato during an election year," Harvey said, "and they don't want to
put their colleagues who are in swing districts in a position of voting
for something the public does not want."
The bill last year and the one Miklosi planned to introduce this year
would have allowed students who had attended a Colorado high school for
at least three years to get in-state tuition at a public college or
university, regardless of their immigration status.
Even though Miklosi said the bill was not going forward, supporters with
the Higher Education Access Alliance, a coalition of the Colorado
Education Association and immigrant rights organizations, said the issue
wasn't dead for 2010.
"Our coalition is still evaluating our options for increasing all of
Colorado's students' access to an affordable higher education, and
running legislation in 2010 is still on the table," Tony Salazar, the
CEA's executive director, said in a statement.
Gov. Bill Ritter, a Democrat, supported the bill last session but did
not champion it as a priority. In fact, Ritter issued his first public
statement in support of the measure only after immigrant-rights groups
asked him to do so.
Asked recently if he was pushing for the legislation in 2010, Ritter
said no. He said that a bill passed last session to expand a program
that allows high school students to take courses for college credit
would do more to help illegal immigrant students than in-state tuition.
Under the new law, high school students can get enough credit for an
associate's degree at the school district's expense, if the school
district has an agreement with a college. Because the students are still
in high school, their immigration status is not an issue when getting
college credit.
"That has a greater impact and a broader impact" than in-state tuition
would, Ritter said.
But supporters of the in-state tuition bill said it's still necessary.
"Concurrent enrollment is not an option in every school district,
therefore tuition equity is still needed," said Lynea Hansen, campaign
director for the Higher Education Access Alliance.
Tim Hoover: 303-954-1626 or tho...@denverpost.com
edi...@netpath.net
> The bill last year and the one Miklosi planned to introduce this year
> would have allowed students who had attended a Colorado high school for
> at least three years to get in-state tuition at a public college or
> university, regardless of their immigration status.
What point is there to letting an illegal alien go to community
college or state university anyhow - when he can't WORK in America
after graduating?
GLOBALIST
is better than the vast majority of white trash that can not read or
write. There are agencies who are working with those students and
their parents to make things right, so that student does not have to
lay low and lie about he legal status. Wait til we have to settle in
vast groups of refugees who are climate victims, whose entire
countries are under water. You "real Americans" are pathetic racists
fuck heads.
You might be citizens, but who in the hell would want to live near you
in the first place. I hope when you are in the nursing home some
Hispanic nurse unplugs your breathing machine and goes on break.
Hisler
> On Dec 29, 2:55 pm, Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>> The bill last year and the one Miklosi planned to introduce this year
>> would have allowed students who had attended a Colorado high school for
>> at least three years to get in-state tuition at a public college or
>> university, regardless of their immigration status.
>
> What point is there to letting an illegal alien go to community
> college or state university anyhow - when he can't WORK in America
> after graduating?
To encourage Hispanics to break our laws? To send out the message to
other minorities that crime pays?
Hisler
> More power to anyone who wants to go to college and succeeds. That
> is better than the vast majority of white trash that can not read or
> write. There are agencies who are working with those students and
> their parents to make things right, so that student does not have to
> lay low and lie about he legal status. Wait til we have to settle in
> vast groups of refugees who are climate victims, whose entire
> countries are under water. You "real Americans" are pathetic racists
> fuck heads.
Interpretation: Only "pathetic racists (sic) f*ck heads" support the
rule of law. Educated, wealthy people like Bernie Madeoff (Madoff?),
Kenneth Lay, and Ivan Boesky are the cultural heroes of "GLOBALIST"
because they cheat, lie, and steal. So, of course, it stands to reason
that illegal aliens, according to "GLOBALIST" should be given lower
tuition than American citizens who obey the law, go to church, pay
taxes, and believe in borders.
> You might be citizens, but who in the hell would want to live near you
> in the first place. I hope when you are in the nursing home some
> Hispanic nurse unplugs your breathing machine and goes on break.
>
When enforcing our immigration laws is outlawed, only outlaws will
enforce our immigration laws. When only poor whites with no college
education support the rule of law, we will continue to see Mexicans
invade our cities and criminals on Wall Street and corporate suites get
trillions of dollars in reward money from the District of Criminals for
the looting of our pension funds, savings, and funds from Social
Security, Medicaid, and for state universities and colleges. And people
like "GLOBALIST" will hold up illegal aliens as heroes and the future of
America.
Mr.Sandman
will run on a can-do platform.
They'll say that they did what needed to be done. And the Republicans
will be the Do-nothing party.
Jim Higgins
Immigration Reform means deportation of illegal aliens, forcibly if need be.
--
Civis Romanus Sum
Mr.Sandman
will be done only in a comprehensive way. Both parties agree on that
already.
Hisler
They raised the debt limit by 2.5 trillion dollars to give us
"free" health care. Our children and grandchildren will be saddled with
so much debt that they'll hate our generation for stealing their futures
and giving away our nation to Hispanic illegal aliens. The only people
who need immigration "reform" are lawbreaking aliens. The immigrants
who followed the rules don't need it.
edi...@netpath.net
> If Health Care passes and Immigration reform passes, then the Democrats
> will run on a can-do platform.
Let them; I hope they do. Because the overwhelming majority of native-
born Americans hate illegal aliens and amnesty - and that's especially
true among the blacks the Democrat Party can't win without a huge
turnout by. Because the job market's so bad the masses will take it
out on the only party in charge in Washington on Election Day - now 11
months away.
johnny@.
Don't forget that the votes of labor, union and non-union are what put
the democrats in power. If they legalize 20 million illegal aliens, and
make it easier for more workers to come here, the black and white
workers will turn against them.
Mr.Sandman
The leadership of big labor is already for legalization. For them, it is
based on sound logic. More union-paying members and more bargaining
power to call for higher wages for workers. Illegals undercut wages, it
is better to make them legal so they can join the union and ask for
higher wages for all workers.
johnny@.
It doesn't matter what the leadership wants. Try to explain it to the
people competing with the illegal aliens for a job.
35% of union members voted republican last time.
Mr.Sandman
The national debt is what saves America whenever it is in trouble. It
saved America during the civil war. It saved America during WWII and has
been growing ever since.
It is something that can be resorted to whenever there's is crisis.
Only stupid people worry about the national debt. It is a debt that the
country owes to itself. The only thing that is necessary is a public
commitment to fund it so that foreigners will still find the currency
attractive. It is an invention of Alexander Hamilton, the smartest of
the Founding Fathers.
johnny@.
So we don't owe China, or any other country anything? You must mean
that we the People have to pay it off.
charles bash
of Loose Talk over the "prospects" of a legislation that IS ,unpopular,
or MIGHT BE a political albatross.
>Immigration Reform is increasingly looking like
>a political albatross that could hurt Democrats
>President Obama Succeeds or Fails in
>overhauling today;s widely disliked system.
that the Democrats will go all out to Placate the Hispanic self interest
groups for the Hispanic vote! They don't really care what the people
think!!. It's what the People DO,, to show their Opposition to this
legislation while it is being debated and Voted,, on the Floors of House
and Senate!
Democrats won't really need any show of 'Support' from ennybody! At
vote time! The course for Amnesty has been set for a long time! It was
Citizens! who "cling to their Guns & Religion" {{ and their cell-phones
}} who turned this Wicket Amnesty down!! Twice!!
This is how Democracies Commit Suicide!! The Will of the People be
Damned!! BTW, there is a sizable majority, in opinion polls, who really
are opposed to any big new amnesty.
We will. of course, need the Massive Phone-Ins again, like the ones
that Defeated this Wicked legislation in both 2007 and 2008, ,probably
in February, particularly to the House members, letting them know that
they Will be Voted out! If they fasten another huge Amnesty,, and for
the Wicket Purpose of bringing these aliens onto our Health Care
Coverage systems!!
But I am Imploring API fans to Not just wait till then. Let's make the
Letters Effective! Particularly to your Rep in the House. Let him {her}
know in writing that you are OPPOSED to this Wicket legislation! And
you will vote him {her} Out at the mid-term and persuade as many other
people as possible to do likewise.
I will probAbly revisit this topic, later. We API fans can expect a
lotta help from organizations like ,, NumbersUSA,, FairUS,, AIC,, CAPS,
and others who don't come to mind. And when the time is ripe. They will
all be rallying their supporters,, Millions of Them!! In the aggregate.
Hopefully shutting down the Capitol Switchboard,, again, ~ more on this
too, it may not be so easy ~
C. Bash
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Exist. But Checks To It Do Exist And Will Appear <<< ==o== ralph waldo
emerson ,,, ~ let's hope ~.
charles bash
Anti-American stance, calling us 'White Trash' who don;t want illegal
aliens to 'better themselves' here at our colleges.
His irritation has revealed to us that he is Not One Of Us == an API fan
who is a born here American who still loves this once-great country and
loyal to it == now sadly in Decline.
GLOBALIST has an appropriate monicker == and more than that he is an
ENEMY WITHIN!
Remember his post here, API fans, particularly those who have 'faint of
heart" spells once in awhile for 'poor immigrants who only want a
better life"! Remember him!! He Hates You!!
C. Bash
<<< By Their Fruits = Ye Shall Know Them <<< ==o== new testament,, paul
the apostle epistle to the gallatians,,
<<< It Takes All Kinds To Make A World <<< ==o== shakespeare.
edi...@netpath.net
> The national debt is what saves America whenever it is in trouble. It
> saved America during the civil war. It saved America during WWII and has
> been growing ever since.
> It is something that can be resorted to whenever there's is crisis.
No more than you can individually spend money you don't have using
your credit cards to sustain living beyond your means - and that's
exactly what the regime's doing.
Do you really think the Chinese and Japanese will indefinitely keep on
financing the regime's chronic deficit spending - when the dollar's
declining value makes obvious that their repayment will be in a
currency worth far less than the dollar was worth when lent? Do you
really think the Chinese and Japanese will indefinitely keep lending
to the regime as the regime's debt to foreigners grows, so do the tax
rates needed to pay interest on it - and it becomes a major political
issue in Amerika?
THE-M...@webtv.net
Talk about racist fucks...you top the list.
You got the balls to about people poor white trash, and claim they can't
read etc..
Well if they can't read it is because all of our school resorces is
being sucked up by parasites like you and your parasitic off
spring...who demand we keep giving you more and more of our resorces,
and tax dollars that you illegal fucks don't deserve in the first place.
Hopefully a bunch of you fucks drown when your countries go under water,
so you won't come here with your frigging hands out, expecting us to
take care of your every need. We have giving to much already, year after
year, with no end in site.
Maybe all thes white trash that you detest so much, and seek tax dollars
from, will finally all get together just say no to you parasites that
come here illegally and life off of tax funded programs such as welfare,
foodstamps, medical care, child care, dental care, prenatal care, low
rent housing, so that, the illegal Hispanic nurse you want to pull the
tax payers plug WON"T be here.
Hisler
Hisler
Excellent post, sir.
Mr.Sandman
The government of all big and important countries these days are
spending money they don't have and are also borrowing from aboard.
Stimulus spending is still legitimate economic theory.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
1. End to birthright citizenship
2. End to all benefits (including schooling) for illegals
3. Use of e-verify for all job applicants.
Dacato
There you go spewing your racist remarks again. Every time you spell
America with a 'k', you show the world just how racist you are.
You talk alot about patriotism and yet you continue to spell the name
of our great country wrong. How do you justify this hypocrisy?
Dacato
Touched a nerve I see.
Robert not Roberto
"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fa085154-3080-43e3...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Just because the Health Care Bill is hogging the news sites, does not
> mean that immigration work is not being done. I have been hearing some
> great stories about new systems that seem to be working for immigrants
> and the country.
> LATINA.
>
The "Latina" made racist statements and should have been attacked by
Democrats as well as Republicans. The fact that Democrats were silent only
proves the hypocrisy of the left..
Hisler
> On Dec 29, 1:52 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> On Dec 29, 2:47 pm, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just because the Health Care Bill is hogging the news sites, does not
>>> mean that immigration work is not being done. I have been hearing some
>>> great stories about new systems that seem to be working for immigrants
>>> and the country.
>> "Immigrants?" An ILLEGAL ALIEN is still just that - legally
>> ineligible to work anywhere in Amerika, or even to be here. That's
>> the bottom line.
>>
>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
> There you go spewing your racist remarks again. Every time you spell
> America with a 'k', you show the world just how racist you are.
That's a new one. Spelling America with a k is racist? It's the proper
German spelling, as is Afrika for Africa. What race is illegal alien?
>
> You talk alot about patriotism and yet you continue to spell the name
> of our great country wrong.
Not wrong. It is the correct spelling in Continental Europa. (Europe).
Aren't people like you all for diversity and bilingual spelling.
You know, ballots in different languages to pander to "new arrivals" who
refuse to learn English.
Hisler
Add to that a ban on all future immigration from countries like Mexico
that sent tens of millions of illegal immigrants to the U.S. in a
transparent attempt to wage demographic warfare against the United States.
edi...@netpath.net
> The government of all big and important countries these days are
> spending money they don't have and are also borrowing from aboard.
Bullshit. Do you really think the foreign lenders propping up the
regime's deficit spending will INDEFINITELY continue financing the
regime's living on ever-increasing debt - any more than your bank will
let you individually? At some point, the Chinese and Japanese will
refuse all further loans to the regime.
Mr.Sandman
Yes they will because the U.S.A is an enormously attractive country with
lots of potential. That is the way foreigners see it. As far as Chinese
and Japanese are concerned, North America is one big vast rich empty
continent whereas their part of the world is crowed and poor in resources.
They buy U.S debt in the form of "securities" because they want to.
The U.S.A is still the most attractive place to invest in.
charles bash
To Go For It!! They are desperate for the Hispanic vote! If they Go For
It,, we look at Some Outcomes ::
(a) Even if Bills cannot be passed in both Houses, at least the Dems
say they fought the good fight! For the Hispanics!== and they will
return to fight another day!
{b} The Congress might have to Settle for Bills that grant Important
Victories to the Patriots! We might actually swing it == No blanket
amnesty at al, till Illegals are Out! And the border under control. No
Health Care Plans to include illegals! The 60 Vote Cloture Votes will
have to Withstand Massive phone-ins! That's how we defeqted the Forces
of Darkness in 2006 and 2007.
I don't see it Possible that the Dems decide to Back Off from the fight!
They will accept Partial or Total defeat on floor votes. Rather than not
fight.
Here's where Patriots can make the difference with The Letters! That
Threaten Reprisal at the polls! For the House members come Nov 2010! I
will be doing "extra-curricular activities" on this Theme!. If and When
the full congress decides to reconvene.
C. Bash.
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n.y.yankees baseball legend
<<< Winning Is Not The Most Important Thing!!! Winning Is THE ONLY
THING! <<< ==o==. greenbay packers ,, legendary coach,, vince
lombardi.. ,,
~ ~ ~ Washington Redskins Fane loudly booing team in "UGLY WIN" over St
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How it Came About! <<< -==o== redskins head coach joe gibbs-
j...@nomail.com
<some...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
>edi...@netpath.net wrote:
>> On Dec 30, 8:58 am, "Mr.Sandman" <somewh...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
>>> The government of all big and important countries these days are
>>> spending money they don't have and are also borrowing from aboard.
>>> Stimulus spending is still legitimate economic theory.-
>>
>> Bullshit. Do you really think the foreign lenders propping up the
>> regime's deficit spending will INDEFINITELY continue financing the
>> regime's living on ever-increasing debt - any more than your bank will
>> let you individually? At some point, the Chinese and Japanese will
>> refuse all further loans to the regime.
>>
>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
>Yes they will because the U.S.A is an enormously attractive country with
>lots of potential. That is the way foreigners see it. As far as Chinese
>and Japanese are concerned, North America is one big vast rich empty
>continent whereas their part of the world is crowed and poor in resources.
I've spent several months recently out there and they are not the poor
beggars they used to be! There is no city in the US that compares to
the modernity of some Chinese cities I have visited. I never felt
threatened in any of my travels either. Times have changed and while
we are becoming a tired and bloated welfare state, they are examples
or dynamic competition.
edi...@netpath.net
> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 8:58 am, "Mr.Sandman" <somewh...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
> >> The government of all big and important countries these days are
> >> spending money they don't have and are also borrowing from aboard.
> >> Stimulus spending is still legitimate economic theory.-
>
> > Bullshit. Do you really think the foreign lenders propping up the
> > regime's deficit spending will INDEFINITELY continue financing the
> > regime's living on ever-increasing debt - any more than your bank will
> > let you individually? At some point, the Chinese and Japanese will
> > refuse all further loans to the regime.
>
> lots of potential. That is the way foreigners see it. As far as Chinese
> and Japanese are concerned, North America is one big vast rich empty
> continent whereas their part of the world is crowed and poor in resources.
> They buy U.S debt in the form of "securities" because they want to.
> The U.S.A is still the most attractive place to invest in.
Like WHAT "potential?" The potential to do a Kalifornia-style fiscal
collapse as the regime's leaders indefinitely keep expanding the
welfare state and the list of bailouts at the same time the private
sector that must fund everything keeps collapsing? Like the
"potential" - actually certainty - that the dollar, decreasing in
value with time, won't be worth as much as the dollar was when lent
and thus the nominally-repaid loan will be a moneyloser for the
lender? Like the (very real) potential that - at some point when debt
repayments get to be high enough as a share of the regime's total
budget - the regime will do what other governments facing that problem
have done: simply refuse to pay?
Dacato
> Dacato wrote:
> > On Dec 29, 1:52 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >> On Dec 29, 2:47 pm, GLOBALIST <free.tun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Just because the Health Care Bill is hogging the news sites, does not
> >>> mean that immigration work is not being done. I have been hearing some
> >>> great stories about new systems that seem to be working for immigrants
> >>> and the country.
> >> "Immigrants?" An ILLEGAL ALIEN is still just that - legally
> >> ineligible to work anywhere in Amerika, or even to be here. That's
> >> the bottom line.
>
>
> > There you go spewing your racist remarks again. Every time you spell
> > America with a 'k', you show the world just how racist you are.
>
> That's a new one. Spelling America with a k is racist? It's the proper
> German spelling, as is Afrika for Africa. What race is illegal alien?
>
>
>
> > You talk alot about patriotism and yet you continue to spell the name
> > of our great country wrong.
>
> Not wrong. It is the correct spelling in Continental Europa. (Europe).
> Aren't people like you all for diversity and bilingual spelling.
> You know, ballots in different languages to pander to "new arrivals" who
> refuse to learn English.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
In case you hadn't noticed, this is the United States. Why would
anyone who calls themselves an American Patriot living in the US spell
America with a 'k'? I don't care if this is how it is spelled in
Europe, this guy is spelling it this way because he is racist.
And the proof of that is in the fact that he also spells Clinton as
'Klinton'. Are you going to try to tell me that is the proper European
spelling too? Nice try asswipe.
edi...@netpath.net
> In case you hadn't noticed, this is the United States. Why would
> anyone who calls themselves an American Patriot living in the US spell
> America with a 'k'?
For the exact same reason George Washington didn't see himself as
getting freedom in a Brit colony - but FROM it. For Red Nation,
freedom FROM core urban Blue Nation's colonial rule cannot coexist
with being part of the same nation as core urban Blue Nation - but
only can be obtained through national breakup into the two nations we
are.
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