Re: Meet the backstabbing California lesbian who replaced Carrie Prejean . . .
Knightz Templiar
Not like that phony plastic surgery-filled, painted teeth and face bitch
cumbucket Carry Precum....
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> > Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUT!!
>
> Yowzaa ... !!!
>
> http://411chatter.com/709/tami-ferrell-miss-malibu/
>
> > Not like that phony plastic surgery-filled, painted teeth and face bitch
> > cumbucket Carry Precum....
>
>
"Muffgummer"? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUT!!
Really?
What's with the gross crease on her neck:
http://411chatter.com/709/tami-ferrell-miss-malibu/
Knightz Templiar
>> Knightz Templiar wrote:
>> Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUT!!
>
> Really?
>
> What's with the gross grease on her neck:
Something tells me Joan Rivers is more your type...
BTW...what grease?
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7447,00.html#7_0
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7447,00.html#4_0
>> http://411chatter.com/709/tami-ferrell-miss-malibu/
>> Not like that phony plastic surgery-filled, painted teeth and face bitch
>> cumbucket Carry Precum....
--
Doc Dice
> Knightz Templiar wrote:
> > Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUT!!
>
> Really?
>
> What's with the gross crease on her neck:
>
> http://411chatter.com/709/tami-ferrell-miss-malibu/
Gross is right, I much prefer the company of men. Also I eat shit.
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Anonymous <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
> Tami Farrell has taken over Carrie Prejean's responsibilities
> as Miss California.
GOOD for her!!
And GOOD RIDDANCE to the BIGOT, Carrie Prejean.
Who was nothing more than a fetid sewer rat turd floating
in humanity's punchbowl. And hopefully will someday end
up as a bag lady.
RapeUGLYkin
Tell us something new ... or just what's yer' point, besides yer' needledick
that is...
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> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525840,00.html
>
> Tami Farrell has taken over Carrie Prejean's responsibilities as
> Miss California.
>
> Prejean was fired by Donald Trump and pageant officials on
> Wednesday.
>
> FOXNews.com got the first online interview with Farrell, and
> asked her about the tumultuous past 24 hours.
>
> PHOTOS: Click for pics of Tami Farell.
>
> FOX: Congratulations. Bit of a strange way of becoming Miss
> California?
>
> Tami Farrell: Yes, it was definitely a crazy phone call to
> receive, but I’m excited to represent the state. I only found
> out yesterday! It was definitely some interesting news to
> receive but I’m just so excited.
>
> FOX: Are you disappointed now that you won’t be able to compete
> again for Miss California and have the opportunity to go on to
> compete for Miss USA?
>
> Tami Farrell: I think I had a bit of a blessing. When I was 18
> years old, I was Miss Teen USA, so I had a taste of being a
> national titleholder and being in the competition. But being
> able to do things here within the state is great. I am pursuing
> acting and a screenwriter so being able to focus on projects
> within the state is a real blessing to me.
>
> FOX: Have you spoken to Carrie?
>
> Tami Farrell: No I haven’t. Unfortunately she and I never really
> established a relationship or friendship at the pageant but I
> wish her the best of luck in whatever she does now.
>
> FOX: We hear that when you were Miss Teen USA, you baked cookies
> for Trump. So you must have a good relationship with him?
>
> Tami Farrell: Yes I used to bake him cookies and brownies! I’ve
> got a good working relationship with Mr. Trump, it is always
> good to have him on your side.
She is hot..I heard that she also had the same views as Prejean..that
marriage is between a man and woman..but she added that it was up to
the voters of the state
derrick lawrence
> In article <ha933515h9q5ij5is...@4ax.com>
> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:29:06 +0100 (BST),
>> Anonymous <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Tami Farrell has taken over Carrie Prejean's responsibilities
>>> as Miss California.
>> GOOD for her!!
>>
>> And GOOD RIDDANCE to the BIGOT,
>
>
>
>
>
by your definition a majority of voters in california are bigots. Adjust
your tinfoil hat and plung your pecker into your boyfriend's asshole,
faggot.
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CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER. She was fired for her
INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
events at which she was supposed to appear.
Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
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Derrick Lawrence <extre...@dizum.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
> By your definition a majority of voters in california
> are bigots.
They just PROVED that. But they WILL soon OUTGROW
that deficiency:
http://www.egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
> Adjust your tinfoil hat and plung your pecker into your
> boyfriend's asshole, faggot.
If your brain ever grows another neuron to keep the
one it has, company, DO let us all know.
Jack G.
Well said by a bigot with a serious problem dealing with normal
people.
Fred Oinka
I think YOU are the one destined to be a bag lady!
Heh, heh.
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"Jack G." <jgra...@pioneernet.net> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
>>> � � �Tami Farrell has taken over Carrie Prejean's responsibilities
>>> as Miss California.
>> � � � GOOD for her!!
>>
>> � � � And GOOD RIDDANCE to the BIGOT, Carrie Prejean.
>> Who was nothing more than a fetid sewer rat turd floating
>> in humanity's punchbowl. �And hopefully will someday end
>> up as a bag lady.
> Well said by...
... a sensible and fair-minded egalitarian who recognizes
that almost all UN-bigoted people are NORMAL people, and
deserve full and EQUAL access to ALL personal liberties.
UNLIKE Prejean. Quite thankfully!
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FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
� Netherlands (as of 2001)
� Belgium (2003)
� Massachusetts (2004)
� Canada (2005)
� Spain (2005)
� South Africa (2005)
� Norway (2008)
� Connecticut (2008)
� New York ** (2008)
...and PENDING in 2009.
� Iowa (2009)
� Vermont (2009)
� Sweden (2009)
� New Hampshire (2009)
� Washington, D.C.** (2009)
� Maine (2009)
� New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
� Hungary: PENDING in April, 2009
� New York -- Getting very CLOSE!
** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
for couples legally married outside of the
state/district/country.
Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
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Anonymous <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:
> Tami Farrell has taken over Carrie Prejean's responsibilities
> as Miss California.
GOOD for her!!
And GOOD RIDDANCE to the BIGOT, Carrie Prejean.
Who was nothing more than a fetid sewer rat turd floating
in humanity's punchbowl. And hopefully will someday end
up as a bag lady.
Chairman MaObama
Nobody wants you people around.
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Chairman MaObama" <kic...@acorn.com>
MORONICALLY **TOP**-Posted (in
keeping with his BEING a moron...
(Top-posted CRAP repositioned to where it belongs.)
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
>> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
>> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>
>>
>> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER. She was fired for her
>> INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
>> events at which she was supposed to appear.
>>
>> Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
>> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
>> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
> Beat it queers!
The ONLY "queers" around here are LOSERS like YOU --
who are QUEER enough to be mindless BIGOTS.
> Nobody wants you people around.
To the contrary. In just a FEW years, society will regard
moronic bigots like *you* the SAME way that it NOW regards
segregationists, after THEIR hate-agenda wnet down the drain
forever. YOU homophobes will be LAUGHED at, and looked
upon as sewer rat turds floating in society's punchbowl.
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��� REMEMBER DR. TILLER!! ���
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Bubba
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JUST HOW IS CARRIE PREJEAN A BIGOT???? JUST BECAUSE SHE TOLD THE TRUTH
ABOUT HER FEELINGS THAT A MARRIAGE SHOULD BE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN???
HOW IS THAT BIGOTRY??? IF IT IS, THEN BARACK OBAMA, JOE BIDEN, JOHN
MCCAIN, AND SARAH PALIN ARE ALL BIGOTS...AFTERALL, THEY ALL AGREED WITH MS.
PREJEAN!!!!!!!
hussein@.@anon Cold Sweat
"Fritz Wuehler" <fr...@spamexpire-200906.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote
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> In article <2gn435hlt3p7o7r2a...@4ax.com>
> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?> Because the pageant director is a faggot.
>
Don't leave out the flaming Faggot who calls himself Perez Hilton....can't
even use his real name.
Who really cares about what these flaming, activist queers think?
Lamey
"Usenet Legends bobandcarole ?" <bobandc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Brother Ted wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:24:11 -0700, Shocking China Blue/Venus
>> <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <qwNOj.678584$Q73....@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
>> > Beavis Christ <beavis...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In that case, you guys both need to take a couple more walks around
>> >> the
>> >> block. I can still pull binaries that were posted all the way back in
>> >> October.
>> >
>> >I am amazed at all the things you know, Bob. How do you know this?
>>
>> OMG!!! You must be a HACKER!!!!!! How else would you KNOW that Beavis
>> is really Bob?????????? Who else is Bob?
>>
>> CHINA BLUE ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HACKED INTO MY SYSTEM???
>>
>> PLEASE DO NOT HACK INTO MY SYSTEM!!!!!!!!
>
> China caught me, I'm Beavis Christ. I'm also Lamey, Brandon
> Cartwright, Brother Ted,
> Patrick Humphrey and LC.
I didn't think I was really me. Thanks for clearing that up.
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No_He_Can_Not
the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not bigotry. marriage
is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end of story. Just because
you do not like their religious beliefs does not make them bigots. It
makes you a bigot.
Not agreeing with their philosophy is your right. Not liking it is your
right. Calling them bigots for not agreeing with yours is not right. It
is exactly what you are accusing them of.
Gays have the right to do as they please and should be afforded the same
legal rights as non gays. How ever they have no rights to marriage as
such since it is a religious ceremony and against the religious
doctrines. They do or should have the right to civil unions or to come
up with a religion that does not think homosexual activity is wrong.
Yes she was fired for her incompetence which has nothing to do with her
beliefs on marriage. That is why you can not get any recognition . You
call others bigots for absolutely no reason. You call her a bigot and
claim that is part of the reason she did not keep her responsibilities
up as miss California. You claim she is a bigot and there for
unintelligent. that is a very unintelligent statement as the two have
nothing to do with each other.
Mike C.
> There you go again with that bigotry lie. She is not a bigot.
> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
> bigotry. marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end
> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
Millions of people are legally married and had no religious ceremony, so you
are quite full of it.
The Chief Instigator
>Brother Ted wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:24:11 -0700, Shocking China Blue/Venus
>> <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <qwNOj.678584$Q73....@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
>> > Beavis Christ <beavis...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In that case, you guys both need to take a couple more walks around the
>> >> block. I can still pull binaries that were posted all the way back in
>> >> October.
>> >
>> >I am amazed at all the things you know, Bob. How do you know this?
>>
>> OMG!!! You must be a HACKER!!!!!! How else would you KNOW that Beavis
>> is really Bob?????????? Who else is Bob?
>>
>> CHINA BLUE ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HACKED INTO MY SYSTEM???
>>
>> PLEASE DO NOT HACK INTO MY SYSTEM!!!!!!!!
>China caught me, I'm Beavis Christ. I'm also Lamey, Brandon
>Cartwright, Brother Ted,
>Patrick Humphrey and LC.
Wrong...I've never posted from that UK IP (or any other outside North
America).
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Syd
> On 14 Jun 2009 19:12:00 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 2009-06-14, Usenet Legends bobandcarole ?? <bobandcarole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Brother Ted wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:24:11 -0700, Shocking China Blue/Venus
>
> >>> >In article <qwNOj.678584$Q73.5...@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
> >>> > Beavis Christ <beavischr...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> In that case, you guys both need to take a couple more walks around the
> >>> >> block. I can still pull binaries that were posted all the way back in
> >>> >> October.
>
> >>> >I am amazed at all the things you know, Bob. How do you know this?
>
> >>> OMG!!! You must be a HACKER!!!!!! How else would you KNOW that Beavis
> >>> is really Bob?????????? Who else is Bob?
>
> >>> CHINA BLUE ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HACKED INTO MY SYSTEM???
>
> >>> PLEASE DO NOT HACK INTO MY SYSTEM!!!!!!!!
>
> >>China caught me, I'm Beavis Christ. I'm also Lamey, Brandon
> >>Cartwright, Brother Ted,
> >>Patrick Humphrey and LC.
>
> >Wrong...I've never posted from that UK IP (or any other outside North
> >America).
>
>
Since you lie so much, why should we care who's word you accept (Note
spelling)?
PDW
John Blutarsky
news:h13eeo$eo2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Then what kind of ceremony was it? Where did it originate?
Mike C.
City hall.
Usenet Legends bobandcarole ♣
Ya ain't got tha first klu do ya sydley? He's makin fun of idiots
like YOU.
And BTW, a person who
works in "matinence" at a nursing home shouldn't correct
others. Hell,syd calls it his "occupent". :-)
That's fukkin rich, he can't even spell his job title.....
It would lead us to believe sydly is a PATIENT an
not a "matinence" man as he klaims.
http://www.geocities.com/pdwright42/about_me.html
LOL~!!!
"Publicity is publicity, good or bad it's STILL publicity"~Alice
Cooper
"You're a fucking TROLL"__fucktard Ginsberg of asl is bitten on the
ass by a tard bug and implodes beautifully.
"Stick that up your ass and smoke it"__Scott Allen Salbergs anal
obsession, {the one he projects on everyone} What would Sigmund
say?
#1 pedophile hunter: The Wikisposure Project.
#5 Ruiner of usenet.
2 second place "you got under my skin" awards: auk
"Publicity is publicity, good or bad it's STILL publicity"~Alice
Cooper
"You're a fucking TROLL"__fucktard Ginsberg of asl is bitten on the
ass by a tard bug and implodes beautifully.
"Stick that up your ass and smoke it"__Scott Allen Salbergs anal
obsession, {the one he projects on everyone} What would Sigmund
say?
#1 pedophile hunter: The Wikisposure Project.
#5 Ruiner of usenet.
2 second place "you got under my skin" awards: auk
Beavis Christ
LMAO!!!
>
> It would lead us to believe sydly is a PATIENT an
> not a "matinence" man as he klaims.
>
ROFL!!!
> http://www.geocities.com/pdwright42/about me.html
>
> LOL~!!!
>
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Hey Bob, you checkin' yer email, dude? :-)
Enos Penvy
TRAPPED AGAIN, are you Blobby? He TRAPPED you!
LOL~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> wrote:
> "No_He_Can_Not" wrote:
>> Marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman.
> Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
> ceremony, so you are quite full of it.
Very concisely and nicely said! You qualified for a useful
SIG! Thanks! --
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When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
"Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
-- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
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"Chairman MaObama" <kic...@acorn.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
>> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
>> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>
>>
>> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER. She was fired for her
>> INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
>> events at which she was supposed to appear.
>>
>> Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
>> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
>> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
> Only real hard core queers would hate a hot babe like her.
(1) I'm not gay.
(2) I don't hate HER. I loathe her AGENDA of hate.
(3) Having such a VILE mind as she does, I *would*
kick her out of bed. There are billions of hot-looking
girls in the world who are NOT bigots. Her hatefulness
OVERRIDES any physical attractiveness she may have.
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No_He_Can_Not
are married in states that went against peoples rights to practice their
religion . Marriage is a religious ceremony even if no ceremony happens .
Lamey
http://www.geocities.com/pdwright42/about_me.html
He sure is an ugly fucker.
Lamey
"Brother Ted" <tmci...@live.com> wrote in message
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>
This twit needs a post to hump. Just humor him.
John Blutarsky
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And what is the history of that ceremony? What are its roots?
Pat Magroyne
> "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> wrote innews:h13ttr$ho7$1...@news.eternal-
Not what you seem to think... Marriage existed before your religion
did. Religion got their grubby little hands on it... but it's still
always been a civil contract.
Sister Sofonda Cox
Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ••" <xanadu...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>
> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER.
This is true. She will spend her eternity in the Lake of Fire for
getting false tits and showing them off like a whore.
> She was fired for her
> INCOMPETENCE,
If she had been smart she would of contacted Depends Undergarments and
made a deal but now they will have nothing to do with her.
> after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
> events at which she was supposed to appear.
Her severe slutty whorishness is another reason she is going directly
into the blazing furnace we know as Hell.
>
> Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
Carrie Prejean is slutty and stupid and will pay for those sins in the
afterlife.
#Sister Sofonda Cox#
"Catholic when I wanna be"
Freezer
> And what is the history of that ceremony? What are its roots?
The Romans.
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In much of western Europe, that's exactly what it is. The church wedding
is 100% for show. The actual "You're legally married" part would be what
would be, for Americans, getting your marriage license.
That's another thing: If marriage was purely a religious thing, you
wouldn't need explict government permission for it.
Aaron W. Hsu
Until relatively recently, marriage has been governed by cultures
and religion, and not the state. Only governments which blur the
lines of state and church, or that function as a largely atheist
government restrict the definition of marriage to only those recognized
by the state.
Governments ought to stay out of marriage, just as they ought to
stay out of anything that relates to the personal livelihood and
actions of a people who are not violating the rights of another
human being. The main reason people like a government "licensed"
marriage today is the issues of estate and taxation. If the
government got their sticky fingers out of places it shouldn't be,
then the whole issue about same-sex "marriage" and the like would be a
non-issue. Issues of estate would be handled by contract, and without
income tax, there would be no reason or motivation for the government
to get involved in the marriages. At least, any reason they have
would be very little.
It is precisely because government has been encouraged and allowed to
overstep its proper and due authority that we have some of the very
political issues in the first place. Marriage as a private, binding
legal contract without undue intervention of the state beyond what
is required for the adjudication of complaints or violation of
contracts, places marriage where it should be, as an act and a
commitment between individuals, and I believe, God.
Then, we can argue endlessly over whether marriage ought to be
polygamous, monagamous, same-sex, or what have you, but it is
OUTSIDE THE DOMAIN OF THE STATE. Do we need "recognition" from the
state, as if our lives were only worth living if they were "validated"
somehow by some entity which is both dumb and not permitted to
establish a religion? Religion, atheism, and the like, ought not
to survive in the state, because the state, beyond the basic
acknowledgments of a power of law and of nature and of its Creator,
whereby any sense of right and wrong must derive to be effective,
must not be permitted to mingle or attempt to make any judgment
call of any kind regarding religion.
This also, incidentally, implies that Governments should not
run schools or be involved therein, because it is impossible to
avoid making judgment calls about religion inside an education,
whether by denying God, or by acknowledging Him.
I am speaking specifically of the U.S. when I say that the
government we have today, which has "oppressed" so many on the right
and the left, has done so only because we have permitted it to
make judgments about society. Socialism and liberty do not
belong together. Marriage and government do not belong together.
If such were the case, then people would have only themselves to
blame for their own problems, and the government would be in
no position to fix it: the responsibility for the good of society
would rest solely on the shoulders of the people who ought to
have it.
--
Aaron W. Hsu <arc...@sacrideo.us> | <http://www.sacrideo.us>
"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." -- Frederic Bastiat
+++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) ++++++++++++++
Sister Sofonda Cox
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT), Sister Sofonda Cox
>
>
>
> <sistersofonda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 14, 12:53 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be
> >Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ••" <xanadu...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
> >> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
> >> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>
> >> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER.
>
> >This is true. She will spend her eternity in the Lake of Fire for
> >getting false tits and showing them off like a whore.
>
> >> She was fired for her
> >> INCOMPETENCE,
>
> >If she had been smart she would of contacted Depends Undergarments and
> >made a deal but now they will have nothing to do with her.
>
Urinary incompetence (lets hope it ain't the other kind) is nothing to
laugh at Brother Ted. Of course on the other hand it is nothing but
laziness which is a Sin.
Remember: we are Christians when we wanna be, and now is a time to
remember those less fortunate than we, since we were fortunate to of
learned how to "hold it".
#Sister Sofonda Cox#
"Christian when I wanna be"
Chairman MaObama
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"No_He_Can_Not" <nohec...@mail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
>> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
>> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
>> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>
>>
>> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER. She was fired for her
>> INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
>> events at which she was supposed to appear.
>>
>> Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
>> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
>> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
> There you go again with that bigotry lie.
Quite the OPPOSITE of a lie. (The TRUTH affects you the way
bright sunlight, wooden stakes, and crosses would affect Dracula,
doesn't it?)
Openly and publicly ADVOCATING and seeking DISCRIMINATION
against any given affinity-group of people on the BASIS of their being
in that group, is an overt demonstration of **bigotry** on the part
of the person seeking to deny personal liberties to the group.
> She is not a bigot.
She made it CLEAR that she is -- and has repeatedly done so even
MORE overtly since. Thus, "white TRASH" would be a COMPLIMENT
to such a loser as she is.
*Lyingly* and delusionally WHINING...
> ...that marriage is for a man and a woman...
...is every bit as moronic and bigoted as it was 47 years ago when
the segregationists were seeking to EXCLUDE interracial couples from
marriage for NO good reason. It was MORONIC then, to be so bigoted
and exclusionary, and it's EQUALLY so now.
> ... marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman.
SOMETIMES. And tens of MILLIONS of times over, it has NOT
been. So that is NO argument against same-sex marriage. (In
fact, no *intelligent or factual* argument even EXISTS for opposing
same-sex marriage.
Marriage is *always* via a state-sanctioned contract. Any supposed
"sanctity" that ever is accorded it is done so artificially and arbitrarily
by churches and clergy for people who choose to have their weddings
in that environment... and, thanks to the separation of church and
state, no church would ever be compelled to perform weddings for
same-sex couples. That would happen only if the church were to
choose to do so. (And some churches do.) And, of course, in the USA
alone, millions of opposite-sex couples' weddings were performed in such
secular situations as by justices-of-the-peace, mayors, judges, and ship
captains. No homophobes are claiming that those couples aren't 100%
married. Hypocrisy runs rampant among them.
<moronic lie flushed>
> Gays have the right to do as they please...
...INCLUDING getting married to their same-sex partners. As they
have been DOING for years, now, an many sensible places where it
is 100% legal. (See SIG for the RAPIDLY-growing list. Your hateful
ilk are LOSING -- BIG-time.)
> and should be afforded the same legal rights as non gays.
Yep. And before much longer, that will include the right to be
legally wedded in ALL 50 states. (THEN what will you find to
WHINE about? Or will you just wither and die on the vine for lack
of the apparent sustenance that being hateful toward people for
NO good reason accords you?)
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No_He_Can_Not <nohec...@mail.com> wrote:
> Marriage is a religious ceremony even if no
> ceremony happens .
Bullcrap! You truly are DELUSIONAL.
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When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
"Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
-- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
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Pat Magroyne
> "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> writes:
> >No_He_Can_Not wrote:
> >> There you go again with that bigotry lie. She is not a bigot.
> >> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
> >> bigotry. marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end
> >> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
> >> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
> >Millions of people are legally married and had no religious ceremony,
> >so you are quite full of it.
>
> Until relatively recently, marriage has been governed by cultures
> and religion, and not the state.
Incorrect. As an example, people were getting married in Rome long
before Christianity got there. And in Athens, as well. And Egypt.
And elsewhere.
> Only governments which blur the
> lines of state and church, or that function as a largely atheist
> government restrict the definition of marriage to only those recognized
> by the state.
>
> Governments ought to stay out of marriage,
No, because the rights and responsibilities conferred by marriage are
legal rights and responsibilities. Marriage is a contract. A legal
contract.
You seem to want to give the churches power to oversee and enforce and
govern this civil institution. And when those marriages crumble.. you
would leave it to the church to ensure that things are distributed
equitably, and that the children are taken care of.
And of course you know how the Catholic church takes care of its young
'uns!
Anyway, just FYI, you're flowing in the opposite direction of the
tide. The tide ain't going back out for a LONG time.. and probably
never. Just so ya know.
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> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� <xanadu...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> � � CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for
>> � � �her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a �
>> � � � �good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>
>> � � �Carrie Prejean is �nothing but a LOSER.
> This is true. She will spend her eternity in the Lake of Fire for
> getting false tits and showing them off like a whore.
ROTFL!!! You forgot to surround that with the proper
<satire> and </satire> commands.
>> �She was fired for her INCOMPETENCE, ...
> If she had been smart she would of contacted Depends
> Undergarments and made a deal but now they will have
> nothing to do with her.
>> ...after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
>> events at which she was supposed to appear.
> Her severe slutty whorishness is another reason she is going
> directly into the blazing furnace we know as Hell.
LOL!! There you go, forgetting those HTML commands again.
>> � � Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
>> don't mix. �Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
>> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
> Carrie Prejean is slutty and stupid and will pay for those sins in
> th afterlife.
If satire, you are FUNNIER than hell.
If you mean that, you're dumber than a dead rock.
I wonder WHICH?
>#Sister Sofonda Cox#
>"Catholic when I wanna be"
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
��� Rest in Peace ���
��� George Richard Tiller, MD ���
��� August 8, 1941 � May 31, 2009 ���
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- Craig Chilton <xana...@mchsi.com>
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www.TravelForPay.org -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
"Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
-- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
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The PROVEN Dishonesty of Bill Taylor
(As compiled by the poster going by "No One.")
"Leroyblue", aka "bibon," aka Bill Taylor is a bigot who posts regularly
on a variety of newsgroups, and is noted for his lack of manners, his
hatred, his dishonesty, and a characteristic redneck patois that
creeps in every so often. Of course, he denies his real identity (and
the large number of aliases he's used). Since "leroyblue" is simply
his latest identity, most of his real gems will appaer under his
"bibon" and former identities.
This guy is completely shameless. In a post with message ID:
<news:ustel318uigdheu19...@4ax.com>, he fal-
sified a citation - a reply to his statement showed how (see the post
with Message ID <news:87r6i0m...@nospam.pacbell.net> for
the details).
See Message-ID:
<news:n5tn72l8p74cfv8vc...@4ax.com> for a
post in which bibon accidentally identified himself as Bill Taylor and
Message ID <news:m3d5dvp...@nospam.pacbell.net> for
details about how he identified himself. Basically, he claimed that
"Bill Taylor" never received a phone call from some individual, some-
thing only "Bill Taylor" could know, with the phone number in ques-
tion belonging to "our" "Bill Taylor". Others, of course, have
reached the same conclusion.
The really interesting question is why he is so sensitive about "Bill
Taylor" so much more so than all his other numerous identities. :-)
Some of his rantings are just comical. For example, in Message ID:
<news:2iell25bqiqgv16ir...@4ax.com>, one of Bill
Taylor's aliases "bi...@ralent.org (with a '^' over the 'a') posted an
inadvertent admission that he is gay enough to hire a male prostitute
(whether or not he intended to say that).
However, he's shown his dishonesty time and time again. For one
example, in Message ID
<news:skmio2d2lukbv2gkt...@4ax.com>, Bill Taylor
(aka bibon) was caught forging headers,changing "LC" to "LA" and "LB"
in headers he cut and pasted to pretend that "LC" was posting under
multiple identities. You can cross check this claim by using Google
to search for the message IDs. LC's post with Message ID:
<news:embji...@enews1.newsguy.com> was attributed by Bill
Taylor to "LA" (but Taylor suppressed part of the message ID by
giving it as <news:embjhn02...@enews1.newsguy.com> to make
tracing it difficult).
He also doesn't learn even when called on his behavior. In Message
ID <news:016tu2d0ksk24dsuc...@4ax.com>, bibon
(aka Bill Taylor) pretends a phrase in quotes was written in
<news:87ps7kj...@nospam.pacbell.net> yet it does not appear
there (<news:87ps7kj...@nospam.pacbell.net> is the message
ID of the post that he was responding to, as is clear from the headers
for his post). In message ID:
<news:dp22v21m779nvfjdc...@4ax.com> he tried
to cover it up by claiming it wasa "mistake", even though the "mistake"
occurred in quoted text (lines starting with '>') that were automatically
inserted by his newsreader. His claim of a "mistake" is as believable
as "my dog ate my homework". Then in a post with message ID:
<news:s4d4v29mamrmrstji...@4ax.com>, he tried to
pretend that he had merely snipped a post incorrectly, even though
the text in question never was in the one he quoted.
Such behavior gives zero credibility to any statment Bill Taylor (aka
bibon, aka ...) makes. You really have to wonder about someone
whowould post such a lie when it is so easily checked: just go to
<news:http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&> and copy
a message ID (do not include the '<' and '>') in the search string at
the bottom of the page, and click the "Lookup Message" button to
find an original post.
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lorad
The-Spears-Destiny.org> wrote:
> Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUT!!
Hypocrite atheist gays actually like pictures of girls?
Chairman MaObama
Don't you understand this fact?
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<xana...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:arbb35lc6qkhcbi1h...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:37:44 -0500,
> No_He_Can_Not <nohec...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Marriage is a religious ceremony even if no
>> ceremony happens .
>
> Bullcrap! You truly are DELUSIONAL.
>
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> ... Rest in Peace ...
> ... George Richard Tiller, MD ...
> ... August 8, 1941 - May 31, 2009 ...
Enos Penvy
> Dude, nobody wants the queer agenda shoved in their faces.
>
> Don't you understand this fact?
http://groups.google.com/group/triangle.personals.bi/msg/0bdc58ebcd7fce6f
Syd
And I should give a damn... Why?
> And BTW, a person who
> works in "matinence" at a nursing home shouldn't correct
> others. Hell,syd calls it his "occupent". :-)
> That's fukkin rich, he can't even spell his job title.....
>
<Yawn>
> It would lead us to believe sydly is a PATIENT an
> not a "matinence" man as he klaims.
>
I don't really care what you think, BoobandCoward.
PDW
Syd
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Enos Penvy
>
>
>
> >On Jun 14, 7:26 pm, Usenet Legends bobandcarole ¢À
>
At least I don't lie all the time on usenet, sport.
PDW
Syd
> "Usenet Legends bobandcarole ?" <bobandcarole...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:657e4bff-7312-4d64...@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
THANK you, BoobadnCoward.
Any more crude and nasty remarks?
PDW
Syd
> "Brother Ted" <tmcin1...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d95b35t342i977ra5...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Enos Penvy
>
> >>On Jun 14, 7:26 pm, Usenet Legends bobandcarole ¢À
That's all we've been doing to you, BoobandCoward.
PDW
Lamey
"Syd" <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ba865399-e98c-4afd...@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 14, 8:48 pm, "Lamey" <killedthe...@curious.com> wrote:
> "Brother Ted" <tmcin1...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d95b35t342i977ra5...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Enos Penvy
> > <enospe...@null.net> wrote:
>
ouch!! Wat a zinger, how shall I ever recooperate?
<snicker>
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lorad <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
> Knightz Templiar <Open-Britneys-R...@The-Tip-Of-
> The-Spears-Destiny.org> wrote:
>> Wow, she's fucking hot! A REAL NATURAL BEAUTY!!
Too bad her being a BIGOTED asshole totally
OVERRIDES that.
> Hypocrite atheist gays actually like pictures of girls?
Gays:
(1) Usually are NOT hypocrites. They leave that to
the hateful people who seek to deny equal rights
to them.
(2) Sometimes are atheists, just like almost all other
groups of people in society. But there is
NOTHING wrong with atheism.
(3) Often are bisexual. (And there's nothing wrong
with THAT, either.
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��� George Richard Tiller, MD ���
��� August 8, 1941 � May 31, 2009 ���
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Yap
> On 14 Jun 2009 19:12:00 GMT, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 2009-06-14, Usenet Legends bobandcarole ?? <bobandcarole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Brother Ted wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:24:11 -0700, Shocking China Blue/Venus
> >>> <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >In article <qwNOj.678584$Q73.5...@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
> >>> > Beavis Christ <beavischr...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >> In that case, you guys both need to take a couple more walks around the
> >>> >> block. I can still pull binaries that were posted all the way back in
> >>> >> October.
>
> >>> >I am amazed at all the things you know, Bob. How do you know this?
>
> >>> OMG!!! You must be a HACKER!!!!!! How else would you KNOW that Beavis
> >>> is really Bob?????????? Who else is Bob?
>
> >>> CHINA BLUE ARE YOU THE ONE WHO HACKED INTO MY SYSTEM???
>
> >>> PLEASE DO NOT HACK INTO MY SYSTEM!!!!!!!!
>
> >>China caught me, I'm Beavis Christ. I'm also Lamey, Brandon
> >>Cartwright, Brother Ted,
> >>Patrick Humphrey and LC.
>
> >Wrong...I've never posted from that UK IP (or any other outside North
> >America).
>
> So you say, but why should we except the word of an athiest?
>
> Always remember, Jesus loves you and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Syd
> "Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ba865399-e98c-4afd...@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 8:48 pm, "Lamey" <killedthe...@curious.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Brother Ted" <tmcin1...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d95b35t342i977ra5...@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Enos Penvy
> > > <enospe...@null.net> wrote:
>
Why don't you go lie down for, say, a century?
PDW
Syd
> that??? Are you a hacker too?
Well, your the only one who keeps making inane comments about my
appearance, BoobandCoward.
So, that's a very good clue.
PDW
Lamey
On Jun 15, 3:40 am, "Lamey" <killedthe...@curious.com> wrote:
> "Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ba865399-e98c-4afd...@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 8:48 pm, "Lamey" <killedthe...@curious.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Brother Ted" <tmcin1...@live.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d95b35t342i977ra5...@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT), Enos Penvy
> > > <enospe...@null.net> wrote:
>
You actually topped your last zinger. Where to you get this stuff?
Lamey
I hace been outed. I think he wants to sniff my ports.
Aaron W. Hsu
>On Jun 14, 9:36=A0pm, Aaron W. Hsu <arcf...@sacrideo.us> wrote:
>> "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> writes:
>> >No_He_Can_Not wrote:
>> >> There you go again with that bigotry lie. She is not a bigot.
>> >> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
>> >> bigotry. marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end
>> >> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
>> >> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
>> >Millions of people are legally married and had no religious ceremony,
>> >so you are quite full of it.
>>
>> Until relatively recently, marriage has been governed by cultures
>> and religion, and not the state.
>Incorrect. As an example, people were getting married in Rome long
>before Christianity got there. And in Athens, as well. And Egypt.
>And elsewhere.
Who said anything about Marriage being only a Christian thing? Sure,
there were governments that dealt with marriage, but in my readings
of the marriage laws and such that you state, I see nothing more than
a set of cultural considerations and basic laws surrounding what we
would consider contracts. Also, I believe in Rome, marriage was
for standing, citizenship, and mostly, for children. That seems to
take a pretty strong stance against same-sex marriage.
What I am saying is that cultures largely dictated what was expected
in a marriage, and only governments directly involved in the
morality and religion of a society would create additional laws
relating to marriage. In Rome, for example, I don't believe adultery
was a serious crime until what, a few years before Anno Domini?
>> Only governments which blur the
>> lines of state and church, or that function as a largely atheist
>> government restrict the definition of marriage to only those recognized
>> by the state.
>>
>> Governments ought to stay out of marriage,
>No, because the rights and responsibilities conferred by marriage are
>legal rights and responsibilities. Marriage is a contract. A legal
>contract.
But it is no more than a contract in the eyes of a proper Government.
The government need not make any judgment call regarding marriage,
and no additional laws ought be made regarding it outside of the
basic laws of contract that must exist for governments to function.
That is, marriage is nothing special to a government, and it should
stay out of any sort of special treatment of the thing, which ought
to be left for the people.
>You seem to want to give the churches power to oversee and enforce and
>govern this civil institution. And when those marriages crumble.. you
>would leave it to the church to ensure that things are distributed
>equitably, and that the children are taken care of.
I didn't say that they wouldn't have the normal rights given to any
two people who enter into a contract, but they aren't given anything
more by the state, either. And if you are an atheist, well, that's all
there is to it. If you are a part of a Church, well, then, the
contract into which you enter will naturally also define the church
or witnesses as arbiters to some degree.
>Anyway, just FYI, you're flowing in the opposite direction of the
>tide. The tide ain't going back out for a LONG time.. and probably
>never. Just so ya know.
Yeah, sure, I know.
K
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
>> CARRIE PREJEAN, now the EX-Miss California, was Fired for her
>> INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a good
>> EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>
>>
>> INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant events
>>
>> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of ALWAYS
>> rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
>>
>>
> the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not bigotry. marriage
> is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end of story.
No, marriage most certainly is /not/ just a religious ceremony.
Marriage is the ongoing state of being married, and it is a legal
contract. You're thinking of the wedding, but even then, not all
weddings are religious ceremonies. While the wedding, which initiates
the marriage, is indeed often a religious ceremony, it need not be. The
marriage that endures after the wedding is not a religious relationship
at all; it is a civil state between two (or more) persons, usually given
state recognition and subject to some state regulation. The important
thing to keep in mind is, the /legal/ relationship between the married
persons is altered by virtue of being married.
> Just because
> you do not like their religious beliefs does not make them bigots. It
> makes you a bigot.
The /current/ laws on marriage in most American states define it as
being between a man and a woman. What you and others have not been able
to defend - at all, in my opinion - is your belief that marriage
necessarily /ought/ to be reserved to the relationship between a man and
a woman.
> Gays have the right to do as they please and should be afforded the same
> legal rights as non gays. How ever they have no rights to marriage as
> such since it is a religious ceremony and against the religious
> doctrines.
That's a complete red herring; no one advocating that marriage between
queers be made legal has suggested that religions must perform the
marriage ceremonies.
> They do or should have the right to civil unions or to come
> up with a religion that does not think homosexual activity is wrong.
*All* marriages, to the extent they are recognized by the state, should
be called civil unions. In the context of laws providing for and
sanctioning these unions, there should be no distinction between a civil
union between two queers, and one between a man and a woman.
No_He_Can_Not
�� wrote:
> "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> wrote:
>
>> "No_He_Can_Not" wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>>> Marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman.
>>>
>
>
>> Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
>> ceremony, so you are quite full of it.
>>
>
> SIG! Thanks! --
>
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
> to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
>
> ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
>
>
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different. It came about from religion .
Civil union is what you need . that bypasses the church and all their
morality stuff.
Exactly the same thing . It is just " marriage" by the court instead of
the church.
The church has been for thousands of years and will remain. fighting
religion is a lost cause. Go around it and ignore them.
No_He_Can_Not
�� wrote:
> No_He_Can_Not <nohec...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Marriage is a religious ceremony even if no
>> ceremony happens .
>>
>
> Bullcrap! You truly are DELUSIONAL.
>
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> ��� George Richard Tiller, MD ���
> ��� August 8, 1941 � May 31, 2009 ���
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> -- Craig Chilton <xana...@mchsi.com>
>
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>
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
> to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
>
> "Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
> ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
>
> -- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
>
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
come from ?
No_He_Can_Not
>>> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
>>> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
>>> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
>>>
>
>
>> so you are quite full of it.
>>
>
> government restrict the definition of marriage to only those recognized
> by the state.
>
> stay out of anything that relates to the personal livelihood and
> actions of a people who are not violating the rights of another
> human being. The main reason people like a government "licensed"
> marriage today is the issues of estate and taxation. If the
> government got their sticky fingers out of places it shouldn't be,
> then the whole issue about same-sex "marriage" and the like would be a
> non-issue. Issues of estate would be handled by contract, and without
> income tax, there would be no reason or motivation for the government
> to get involved in the marriages. At least, any reason they have
> would be very little.
>
> It is precisely because government has been encouraged and allowed to
> overstep its proper and due authority that we have some of the very
> political issues in the first place. Marriage as a private, binding
> legal contract without undue intervention of the state beyond what
> is required for the adjudication of complaints or violation of
> contracts, places marriage where it should be, as an act and a
> commitment between individuals, and I believe, God.
>
> Then, we can argue endlessly over whether marriage ought to be
> polygamous, monagamous, same-sex, or what have you, but it is
> OUTSIDE THE DOMAIN OF THE STATE. Do we need "recognition" from the
> state, as if our lives were only worth living if they were "validated"
> somehow by some entity which is both dumb and not permitted to
> establish a religion? Religion, atheism, and the like, ought not
> to survive in the state, because the state, beyond the basic
> acknowledgments of a power of law and of nature and of its Creator,
> whereby any sense of right and wrong must derive to be effective,
> must not be permitted to mingle or attempt to make any judgment
> call of any kind regarding religion.
>
> This also, incidentally, implies that Governments should not
> run schools or be involved therein, because it is impossible to
> avoid making judgment calls about religion inside an education,
> whether by denying God, or by acknowledging Him.
>
> I am speaking specifically of the U.S. when I say that the
> government we have today, which has "oppressed" so many on the right
> and the left, has done so only because we have permitted it to
> make judgments about society. Socialism and liberty do not
> belong together. Marriage and government do not belong together.
> If such were the case, then people would have only themselves to
> blame for their own problems, and the government would be in
> no position to fix it: the responsibility for the good of society
> would rest solely on the shoulders of the people who ought to
> have it.
>
>
>
true enough.
No_He_Can_Not
�� wrote:
> "No_He_Can_Not" <nohec...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>>> her INCOMPETENCE, *not* for her Bigotry. Thus, she's a
>>> good EXAMPLE that Bigotry and Intelligence DON'T Mix.
>>>
>>>
>>> Carrie Prejean is nothing but a LOSER. She was fired for her
>>> INCOMPETENCE, after not showing up for scheduled post-pageant
>>> events at which she was supposed to appear.
>>>
>>> Thus, she is an excellent EXAMPLE that bigotry and intelligence
>>> don't mix. Pageant judges in the future should make a point of
>>> ALWAYS rejecting any contestants who displays bigotry -- on the
>>> BASIS of those contestants' being DOLTS.
>>>
>
>
>>
>
> bright sunlight, wooden stakes, and crosses would affect Dracula,
> doesn't it?)
>
> Openly and publicly ADVOCATING and seeking DISCRIMINATION
> against any given affinity-group of people on the BASIS of their being
> in that group, is an overt demonstration of **bigotry** on the part
> of the person seeking to deny personal liberties to the group.
>
>
>> She is not a bigot.
>>
>
> MORE overtly since. Thus, "white TRASH" would be a COMPLIMENT
> to such a loser as she is.
>
> *Lyingly* and delusionally WHINING...
>
>
>> ...that marriage is for a man and a woman...
>>
>
> ...is every bit as moronic and bigoted as it was 47 years ago when
> the segregationists were seeking to EXCLUDE interracial couples from
> marriage for NO good reason. It was MORONIC then, to be so bigoted
> and exclusionary, and it's EQUALLY so now.
>
>
>> ... marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman.
>>
>
> SOMETIMES. And tens of MILLIONS of times over, it has NOT
> been. So that is NO argument against same-sex marriage. (In
> fact, no *intelligent or factual* argument even EXISTS for opposing
> same-sex marriage.
>
> Marriage is *always* via a state-sanctioned contract. Any supposed
> "sanctity" that ever is accorded it is done so artificially and arbitrarily
> by churches and clergy for people who choose to have their weddings
> in that environment... and, thanks to the separation of church and
> state, no church would ever be compelled to perform weddings for
> same-sex couples. That would happen only if the church were to
> choose to do so. (And some churches do.) And, of course, in the USA
> alone, millions of opposite-sex couples' weddings were performed in such
> secular situations as by justices-of-the-peace, mayors, judges, and ship
> captains. No homophobes are claiming that those couples aren't 100%
> married. Hypocrisy runs rampant among them.
>
> <moronic lie flushed>
>
>
>> Gays have the right to do as they please...
>>
>
> ...INCLUDING getting married to their same-sex partners. As they
> have been DOING for years, now, an many sensible places where it
> is 100% legal. (See SIG for the RAPIDLY-growing list. Your hateful
> ilk are LOSING -- BIG-time.)
>
>
>> and should be afforded the same legal rights as non gays.
>>
>
> legally wedded in ALL 50 states. (THEN what will you find to
> WHINE about? Or will you just wither and die on the vine for lack
> of the apparent sustenance that being hateful toward people for
> NO good reason accords you?)
>
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> ��� Rest in Peace ���
> ��� George Richard Tiller, MD ���
> ��� August 8, 1941 � May 31, 2009 ���
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> -- Craig Chilton <xana...@mchsi.com>
>
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>
entitled to have different morals than you do. I do not think that makes
them a bigot . I think the term gets used a little too loosely . But
like I say " live and let live"
If you do not like same sex marriage then do not marry someone that is
the same sex. I do not however understand why people want to stop others
from doing it as I think it does not hurt any one.
Wilson Woods
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
> �� wrote:
>>
> Marriage is a religious right.
No, that's not what marriage is.
> No ceremony does not make it any
> different.
"No [religious] ceremony" completely blows your claim apart.
> It came about from religion .
> Civil union is what you need . that bypasses the church and all their
> morality stuff.
The state should only give legal sanction and standing to civil union.
No_He_Can_Not
what first came up with the whole idea .
Enos Penvy
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
>
>
>
> •• wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:07:18 -0400,
> > "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com> wrote:
>
> >> "No_He_Can_Not" wrote:
>
> >>> Marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman.
>
> >> Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
> >> ceremony, so you are quite full of it.
>
> > Very concisely and nicely said! You qualified for a useful
> > SIG! Thanks! --
>
> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> > When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
> > to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
>
> > "Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
> > ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
>
> > -- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
>
> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>
> > www.LayoffRemedy.com.com-- Unemployment Solution!
> > www.ChristianEgalitarian.com-- Fight the RRR Cult!
> > http://apifar.blogspot.com-- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
> > http://pro-christian.blogspot.com-- Exposing RRR Bigotry
> > www.shadowandillusion.com-- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
>
> Marriage is a religious right.
No. It is a legal one.
> No ceremony does not make it any
> different. It came about from religion .
No. It preceded religion.
> Civil union is what you need .
Civil unions are not the equivalent of marriages.
> that bypasses the church
All legal marriages in the U.S. can bypass the church. In order for a
marriage to be considered legal, the couple must obtain a marriage
license from the government.
> and all their
> morality stuff.
The churches can keep their "morality stuff" for their congregants and
they can all have fun with that.
> Exactly the same thing . It is just " marriage" by the court instead of
> the church.
Ministers in churches are given LEGAL authority to perform marriages.
As far as I'm concerned, these ministers should perhaps be disallowed
that legal courtesy, since clergy are utterly unnecessary in the
scheme of things.
> The church has been for thousands of years and will remain.
Not quite as strong as it was before the Reformation, and since the
masses were taught how to read. And its power will continue to wither
in the West.
> fighting
> religion is a lost cause.
See above.
> Go around it and ignore them.
They're getting in our business and we're telling them to get out.
K
No, that does not appear to be the case.
K
A marriage, in the eyes of the state, is nothing more than a civil union.
Pat Magroyne
> Mike C. wrote:
> > No_He_Can_Not wrote:
>
> >> There you go again with that bigotry lie. She is not a bigot.
> >> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
> >> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
> >> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
>
> > are quite full of it.
>
Glad you agree.
> but they are not homos.
There are many, many same-sex couples who are legally married. Some
of them even had their weddings officiated by..... are you sitting
down?... CLERGY!!
> The ones that are married and homo
> are married in states that went against peoples rights to practice their
> religion .
Oh come off it. Even YOU can't be stupid enough to believe that!
Pat Magroyne
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:37:44 -0500,
> > No_He_Can_Not <nohecan...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Marriage is a religious ceremony even if no
> >> ceremony happens .
>
> > Bullcrap! You truly are DELUSIONAL.
>
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> > ••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
> > ••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
>
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
>
> > www.LayoffRemedy.com.com-- Unemployment Solution!
> > www.ChristianEgalitarian.com-- Fight the RRR Cult!
> > http://apifar.blogspot.com-- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
> > http://pro-christian.blogspot.com-- Exposing RRR Bigotry
> > www.shadowandillusion.com-- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
>
> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> > When a Homophobic Bigot says that Marriage has
> > to be associated with RELIGION... just tell him THIS:
>
> > "Millions of people are legally married and had no religious
> > ceremony, so you are quite full of it."
>
> > -- "Mike C." <n0b...@n0where.com>, 6-14-09
>
> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> If marriage is not a thing that was made by religions then where did it
> come from ?
Societies.
K
> Mike C. wrote:
>> No_He_Can_Not wrote:
>>
>>> There you go again with that bigotry lie. She is not a bigot.
>>> Defending the fact that marriage is for a man and a woman is not
>>> bigotry. marriage is a religious ceremony for a man and a woman end
>>> of story. Just because you do not like their religious beliefs does
>>> not make them bigots. It makes you a bigot.
>>>
>>
>> so you are quite full of it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> religion .
No, that's completely false. In no way does allowing queers to marry go
against anyone's right to practice his religion.
Pat Magroyne
> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:45:52 -0500,
>
> >> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed?
> > ••• George Richard Tiller, MD •••
> > ••• August 8, 1941 – May 31, 2009 •••
>
>
>
> > www.LayoffRemedy.com.com-- Unemployment Solution!
> > www.ChristianEgalitarian.com-- Fight the RRR Cult!
> > http://apifar.blogspot.com-- Tactics: Defending Human Rights
> > http://pro-christian.blogspot.com-- Exposing RRR Bigotry
> > www.shadowandillusion.com-- Learn "The LOPAQUA Secret!"
>
> I think you take peoples opinions of things a bit too far. One is
> entitled to have different morals than you do.
"Morals" are a very personal thing. Everyone has different morals.
Remember the "Moral Majority"? You want people telling you --
LEGISLATING -- what your morals should be?
Pat Magroyne
> K wrote:
> > No_He_Can_Not wrote:
> >> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed?
No.
> It seems that religion is
> what first came up with the whole idea .
Religion got its grubby little hands on something that already existed.
Wilson Woods
>> entitled to have different morals than you do.
>
> "Morals" are a very personal thing. Everyone has different morals.
One talks about a person "having [or not having] morals", or "being [or
not being] moral", but no, morals are not a personal thing. Morals, or
moral values, are societally determined. For example, in a society in
which adultery is viewed as immoral by consensus, one cannot simply
declare for oneself that adultery is moral. You can suffer certain
societal sanction for committing adultery in such a society, regardless
of your personal view of the morality of the act.
> Remember the "Moral Majority"? You want people telling you --
> LEGISLATING -- what your morals should be?
You're an idiot. *You* also support legislating morality. Nearly
everyone supports it, in principle. The only argument is over which
aspects of morality are to be legislated. If you think legislation
specifying enhanced penalties for so-called "hate crimes" is proper,
then you support the legislation of morality. If you think laws against
armed robbery are appropriate and good for society, then you support the
legislation of morality.