What explicitly does the Bible teach about homosexuality?
No One
on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say about sex sins in
general.
First, there is adultery. Adultery in the natural sense is sexual
intercourse of a married person with someone other than his or her own
spouse. It is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments (Exodus
20:14; I Cor. 6:9, 10). Christ forbids dwelling upon the thoughts, the
free play of one's imagination that leads to adultery (Matthew 5:28).
Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried
persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18;
Ephesians 5:3).
Then there is homosexuality which likewise is condemned in Scripture.
The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares
that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I
Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a
special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers,
thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And
then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had
been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you:
But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the
name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians
6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God,
but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there
hope for all of us.
Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His
people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as
he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon
them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned
as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can
neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly
on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters
of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17).
The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was
not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom,
but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and
unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages
in question:
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom,
compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from
every quarter:
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which
came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know
them.
And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I
pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in
your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they
under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)
The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is yada`, a sexual term. It is
used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25;
Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear.
Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is
wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for
the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his
perverted way of life.
No One
> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
<snip>
... forgery - I didn't post this - the troll goes around trying to
disrupt discussions by using other posters' user names.
655321
<7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> if we accept God's Word
Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
--
655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
James Dale Guckert
<7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> Adultery in the natural sense is sexual
> intercourse of a married person with someone other than his or her own
> spouse.
Ah, now we're talking!
It's been a couple months since the Mrs. and I went to a house party
where I discovered the joys of watching her bang another woman's husband
in multiple positions while I had my way with the guy wife. This after
both us dudes got to watch the wives explore each other's bodies with
hands and tongues.
Whoah! That was fun! We're looking forward to doing that again!
> It is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments
Killjoys. Never mind.
--
James Guckert / Rich Gannon / Whore for Bush
655321
No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
I'm kinda envious. "faggotfuckwit" hasn't seen fit to use mine yet.
Maybe because I don't post as often as others here.
MarkA
What does the Bible teach about working on the Sabbath day? About wearing
a garment of wool and linen?
Too bad the bible doesn't have a line about how it is an abomination to
cling fast to the drivel of Bronze age myths.
--
MarkA
(This space temporarily unavailable)
pba...@worldonline.nl
Is there any specific harm done by homosexuals that practice save-sex
Who are the victims?
Pleading by the authority of an old book does not qualify as sound
reasoning.
If Homosexuals do harm, they should be stopped in doing so.
If they do no harm, we should let them be.
(snipped soc.motts as I am not sure the post is no topic there as I
have no clue to what is on topic there!)
Peter van Velzen
March 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Patriot Games
news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> if we accept God's Word
> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
Most Americans do.
bob young
No One wrote:
> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say about sex sins in
> general.
The book was written by early frightened desert folks living in ignorance
comared to today.
What can such an old book teach. brain surgery maybe
Today we have laws that run to thousands of set rules
that makes biblical teaching look like the work of lunatics
anonymous coward
>
> No One wrote:
>
> > This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
> > on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
> > to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
> > view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say about sex sins in
> > general.
>
> The book was written by early frightened desert folks living in ignorance
> comared to today.
>
> What can such an old book teach. brain surgery maybe
>
> Today we have laws that run to thousands of set rules
> that makes biblical teaching look like the work of lunatics
>
> >
> >
> > First, there is adultery. Adultery in the natural sense is sexual
> > intercourse of a married person with someone other than his or her own
> > spouse. It is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments (Exodus
> > 20:14; I Cor. 6:9, 10). Christ forbids dwelling upon the thoughts, the
> > free play of one's imagination that leads to adultery (Matthew 5:28).
That maybe true, but 50 of all married people committed adultery and
divorced.
> >
> > Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried
> > persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18;
> > Ephesians 5:3).
> >
One can count on one hand the number of males over the age of 16 who
haven't committed fornication.
> > Then there is homosexuality which likewise is condemned in Scripture.
> > The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares
> > that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I
> > Corinthians 6:9; 10).
the word homosexuality is not in the Bible.
> Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a
> > special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers,
> > thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And
> > then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had
> > been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you:
> > But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the
> > name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians
> > 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God,
> > but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there
> > hope for all of us.
While there is hope for adulteress, the general rule is that if he
cheats on you
once, he will cheat on you countless times.
> >
> > Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God.
Again homosexuality is not mentioned in the Bible. So God didn't say
Homosexuality is an illicit lust.
> He said to His
> > people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it
> > is abomination"
Since Jews were being killed throughout history, it would seem
reasonable that
it was a waste of sperm to have men lie with other men when women of
Israel needed to be
producing children for those Jews of Israel killed or about to be
killed.
> (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as
> > he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
> > they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon
> > them" (Leviticus 20:13).
And why would God or Christ want to kill anyone. I thought it was all
about saving
people whether they were evil or good.
> In these passages homosexuality is condemned
> > as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can
> > neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.
Well, pastors need a congregation to pay for his salary and you only get
a congregation if they
produce offspring. So it was not in the Pastor's interest or the
church's interest to have
men and women not producing offspring.
> >
> > In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality.
say who?
> God spoke plainly
> > on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters
> > of Israel,
So even in Israel women were saying no to sex because they had a
headache or felt
bloated because they were having heir period and were for the short-term
refusing their
husband sex whereupon they looked for a whore.
> nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17).
> > The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was
> > not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom,
> > but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and
> > unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages
> > in question:
Well, homosexuality is not a sex act in and of itself. It is a state of
mind
in the absence of sex. One can certainly be a homosexual and never
touch another man.
> >
> > But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom,
> > compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from
> > every quarter:
> >
> > And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which
> > came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know
> > them.
So the men of Sodom who aren't homosexuals as you say, want Lot, to
deliver
some unnamed men to the city's men.
> >
> > And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
> > And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
> >
> > Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I
> > pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in
> > your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they
> > under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)
So is lot offering his daughters to these unknown men so they can have
sex with them? Surely that is a sin! And rightly so he says do
nothing
with the men whom he protects under his roof.
> >
> > The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is yada`, a sexual term. It is
> > used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25;
> > Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear.
> > Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly."
Well, no town or village wants new arrivals or old long term citizens to
do
wickedness.
> Homosexuality is
> > wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for
> > the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his
> > perverted way of life.
Wait a minute. Homosexuality isn't mentioned in the Bible. So there is
no
reference to homosexuality being wicked.
God and Christ have always been available to any heterosexual or
homosexual to help them.
Any most homosexuals had their way, they would ask the church, the
pastor, the priest, and God,
if they would just stop breaching death and destruction for homosexuals
and offer a little
peace, home and support without judging them as wicked or evil. Just
love homosexuals as he loves
all other people.
Emerson Wainwright
wrote:
soc.motss: Description: "Issues pertaining to homosexuality."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.motss/about
655321
You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? I guess I
should be tuning in to American Idol as well. And drooling over every
short chapter of the Brangelina saga. Oh, and checking my horoscope
(bad Christians!) on a daily basis.
--
655321
No One
> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:05:05 -0700, No One wrote:
>
> What does the Bible teach about working on the Sabbath day? About wearing
> a garment of wool and linen?
>
> Too bad the bible doesn't have a line about how it is an abomination to
> cling fast to the drivel of Bronze age myths.
... note that you replied to the post forger, not me.
No One
> No One wrote:
>
> > This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
> > on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
> > to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
> > view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say about sex sins in
> > general.
>
> The book was written by early frightened desert folks living in ignorance
> comared to today.
... note that the post you replied to was written by a post forger.
Patriot Games
> Patriot Games wrote:
>> "655321" <Dipthot...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>>> In article
>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>> No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>>>> if we accept God's Word
>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
>> Most Americans do.
> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
Hatter
tribal hoatherders that lived 3000 or more years ago that decided to
give said opinion legitimacy by saying said opinion comes from a
magical man who is invisible and created the world, yet is curiously
incapable against chariots of iron?
Hatter
bob young
Hatter wrote:
I tend to agree with that
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>"655321" <Dipthot...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>> "655321" <Dipthot...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> In article
>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>>>>> if we accept God's Word
>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
>>> Most Americans do.
>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
>
>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
>
>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
>
How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, and
how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital sex,
cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit?
It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to honor
it.
Zeligg
"You are megalomaniac, the worst kind, because you're a monstrous and
perverted idiot."
Oz' love letter to Zeligg
Hatter
> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>
> news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > Patriot Games wrote:
> >>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> >>> In article
> >>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >>>> if we accept God's Word
> >>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
> >> Most Americans do.
> > You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
>
> Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
>
> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
Now I understand you are an idiot, but please at least try to keep up.
He asked a question: Why would we be so stupid to accept your favored
mythological entity's word. You responded: "Most americans do" So your
reply to the question of why was an appeal to mass think, or to submit
to peer pressure. Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
words that convey your meaning.
Hatter
RamRodOz Sword of Baal
"Hatter" <Hatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>
> news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > Patriot Games wrote:
> >> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
> >>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> >>> In article
> >>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >>>> if we accept God's Word
> >>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
> >> Most Americans do.
> > You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
>
> Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
>
> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
Hatter said..........
>>Now I understand you are an idiot, but please at least try to keep up.
He asked a question: Why would we be so stupid to accept your favored
mythological entity's word. You responded: "Most americans do" So your
reply to the question of why was an appeal to mass think, or to submit
to peer pressure. Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
words that convey your meaning.<<
The reason most Americans say they are Christian is the same reason most
people say they belong to a particular religion It is because their parents
said they follow that particular religion.
Very few have actually looked at other religions to find out which they
consider to be the 'true' faith.
IE they were brain washed at an early age, and have never escaped from that
brain washing.
Some may move from one section of their religion to another, but very few
actually move from religion to religion
There again you have a great majority who say they belong to some religion
or another, but never go to that faiths house of worship, nor follow its
dogma.
You only have to see how many houses of worship are full to see that.
Tom Sr.
wrote:
Soc. It's a *social* discussion group, *NOT* a political one.
motss. Members of the same-sex.
Part of the FAQ for rhe newsgroup says you should not use soc.motss in
any cross-postings.
-Tom Sr.
Tom Sr.
Which God?
-Tom Sr.
Dennis Kemmerer
news:y45Lj.7718$n8....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Indeed, the biggest factors in determining one's religious beliefs are when,
where and to whom one was born.
Emerson Wainwright
> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
But that means nothing, and again you've presented the fallacy of
appealing to numbers.
Emerson Wainwright
wrote:
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It might be noted that the majority of the world's population is not
Christian. That changes the numbers dramatically. But our poster
wants the numbers to fit his "argument", so he sticks only with local
numbers, i.e., American numbers.
Hatter
wrote:
>
Once again this is Partriot Games you are talking about, so numbers
outside of America don't count because, in his bigoted jigoistic
viewpoint, if they disagree with Americans they are automaticly
"wrong." "His tribe, his god...everything else be damned"...is the
guiding meme in his view just like any dumb primitive.
Hatter
Emerson Wainwright
> On Apr 7, 10:28 am, Emerson Wainwright <emersonwainwri...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6, 11:28 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > wrote:
> > > (snipped soc.motts as I am not sure the post is no topic there as I
> > > have no clue to what is on topic there!)
>
> > soc.motss: Description: "Issues pertaining to homosexuality."
>
> Soc. It's a *social* discussion group, *NOT* a political one.
Then perhaps they should change their description from
== "Issues pertaining to homosexuality" ==
Homosexuality is a political issue, and politics are a social issue.
> motss. Members of the same-sex.
>
> Part of the FAQ for rhe newsgroup says you should not use soc.motss in
> any cross-postings.
Nobody wants cross-posting of irrelevant material (even though it's
easily ignored). But posting something "pertaining to homosexuality"
-- which is the group's stated purpose for existence -- wouldn't be
considered irrelevant.
Seems to me that the powers that be in that group only want what they
decide they want at any given time.
They will have to get over that if they are to have a group in this
public forum. Perhaps they can make their group private. They aren't
going to change Usenet.
Patriot Games
news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games"
> <Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>>"655321" <Dipthot...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Patriot Games wrote:
>>>> "655321" <Dipthot...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>>>>>> if we accept God's Word
>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
>>>> Most Americans do.
>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, and
> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital sex,
> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit?
Nobody knows.
> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to honor
> it.
So?
Patriot Games
news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>> news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> > Patriot Games wrote:
>> >> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
>> >>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> >>> In article
>> >>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> >>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> >>>> if we accept God's Word
>> >>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
>> >> Most Americans do.
>> > You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
>> Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
>> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
>Now I understand you are an idiot, but please at least try to keep up.
>He asked a question: Why would we be so stupid to accept your favored
>mythological entity's word. You responded: "Most americans do" So your
>reply to the question of why was an appeal
I made no appeal. I stated a documented fact.
If YOU percieved an appeal that's YOUR problem.
If YOU percieved peer pressure that's YOUR problem.
>Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
>words that convey your meaning.
My intent was to state a documented fact.
I stated a documented fact.
EVERYTHING ELSE was INVENTED in YOUR mushy shit-like mind...
Patriot Games
news:_X6Lj.5756$2g1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Indeed, the biggest factors in determining one's religious beliefs are
> when, where and to whom one was born.
Feel free to CITE that.
Until you CITE that its nothing more than your worthless personal opinion.
Patriot Games
news:02e57bc0-6748-4c83...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
It means a lot.
Most people live consistent coherent lives. They think, act, react, plan,
and vote all according to their basic personality WHICH IN THIS CASE means
86% of Americans have a basic personality that is Judeo-Christian God-based.
Emerson Wainwright
> "Emerson Wainwright" <emersonwainwri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:02e57bc0-6748-4c83...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>
> >> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
> >But that means nothing...
>
> It means a lot.
It means nothing in your argument. In the "argument" you're trying to
present, it simply does not matter how many people believe in your
god. It proves nothing beyond what it actually states: that X number
of people claim to believe in "God". (Each individual, of course, has
a different idea of what this god IS, even within denominations.)
> Most people live consistent coherent lives.
Most people live "consistent coherent lives" whether they believe in
the Judeo-Christian god or not. The majority of the world's
population is not Jewish-Christian.
> They think, act, react, plan,
> and vote all according to their basic personality WHICH IN THIS CASE means
> 86% of Americans have a basic personality that is Judeo-Christian God-based.
Nobody is born without a Judeo-Christian-Islamic god-based
"personality". They learned that. From other people. PEOPLE!
Religion is taught, and learned.
That said, it still doesn't work as a premise for your original
argument.
Emerson Wainwright
> "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote in message
>
> news:_X6Lj.5756$2g1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> > Indeed, the biggest factors in determining one's religious beliefs are
> > when, where and to whom one was born.
>
> Feel free to CITE that.
Religion is taught and learned.
If one grows up in a Muslim country, one will likely be Muslim.
Almost nobody in America is brought up Shinto, while that is not the
case in Japan.
> Until you CITE that its nothing more than your worthless personal opinion.
Your inability to put pieces together to form a cohesive whole amuses
us.
Hatter
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
> >>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> >> > Patriot Games wrote:
> >> >> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> >> >>> In article
> >> >>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> if we accept God's Word
> >> >>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
> >> >> Most Americans do.
> >> > You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
> >> Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
> >> Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
> >Now I understand you are an idiot, but please at least try to keep up.
> >He asked a question: Why would we be so stupid to accept your favored
> >mythological entity's word. You responded: "Most americans do" So your
> >reply to the question of why was an appeal
>
> I made no appeal. I stated a documented fact.
Except your documented fact as a response to the question is an
appeal.
"Why should I believe in Santa Claus?"
"Most kids do."
That an appeal. Just because you were called on it, and don't like the
fact you were called on it, doesn't make it any less of one.
>
> If YOU percieved an appeal that's YOUR problem.
>
> If YOU percieved peer pressure that's YOUR problem.
>
> >Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
> >words that convey your meaning.
>
> My intent was to state a documented fact.
>
No your intent was not to get called on it by obfucating the question
by an appeal to popularity. It is an old trick, and your just mad that
we know better than to fall for it. Too bad, PG. Whine and rage some
more. I find it amusing.
> I stated a documented fact.
I never stated it wasn't a fact. That you perceive that I'm
questioning it is your problem.
>
> EVERYTHING ELSE was INVENTED in YOUR mushy shit-like mind...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok tribal primitive. <pat on the head>
Hatter
Patriot Games
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On Apr 9, 6:29 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote in message
>> news:_X6Lj.5756$2g1....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> > Indeed, the biggest factors in determining one's religious beliefs are
>> > when, where and to whom one was born.
>> Feel free to CITE that.
>Religion is taught and learned.
So is math, biology, physics, basketweaving. So?
>If one grows up in a Muslim country, one will likely be Muslim.
Or not.
>Almost nobody in America is brought up Shinto, while that is not the
>case in Japan.
So?
>> Until you CITE that its nothing more than your worthless personal
>> opinion.
>Your inability to put pieces together to form a cohesive whole amuses
>us.
I figure if I amuse you it might keep you from sucking so many dicks during
the day and pissing off God.
Patriot Games
news:925a23be-3aaf-4039...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
HOW they acquired their beliefs is irrelevant.
They have those beliefs. They generally live according to those beliefs.
In America 86% have Judeo-Christian beliefs. In America 86% live their
lives according to those Judeo-Christian beliefs.
>That said, it still doesn't work as a premise for your original
>argument.
Do you mean the original argument you CAME IN ON A WEEK LATE?
That one?
Emerson Wainwright
> "Emerson Wainwright" <emersonwainwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Incorrect.
> They have those beliefs. They generally live according to those beliefs.
>
> In America 86% have Judeo-Christian beliefs.
That percentage STATE that they have Judeo-Christian beliefs.
We can assume that most of those do, while some only say that they
do. LOTS of people in prison claim to have Judeo-Christian beliefs,
for example. And not just those who "found" God while incarcerated.
But then we come to that tricky place where we have to define "Judeo-
Christian beliefs". And that's where we're going to see such
diversity that the label "Judeo-Christian beliefs" becomes
meaningless.
> In America 86% live their
> lives according to those Judeo-Christian beliefs.
Not even close. Even if we use just the most obvious and universal of
the "Judeo-Christian beliefs" -- let's say, the Ten Commandments --
we're going to get to nowhere near 86%.
> >That said, it still doesn't work as a premise for your original
> >argument.
>
> Do you mean the original argument you CAME IN ON A WEEK LATE?
>
> That one?-
Just as I suspected.
You've tossed us so many red herrings that even YOU don't remember
your original argument.
LOL!
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" doesn't
really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. calling yourself
a christian doesn't make you one. It's yoour actions that count. Now
go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
impressed.
Zeligg
"For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler
would presume to speak on political matters,
let me say that I am not a pornographer trying
to rise to the level of politics.
...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical
conservative that has descended to the level of porn."
Larry Flynt
Patriot Games
If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM.
> calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
Yes it does.
> It's yoour actions that count. Now
> go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
> impressed.
Sorry, not my job to impress you.
Patriot Games
On Apr 9, 6:27 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> I made no appeal. I stated a documented fact.
>Except your documented fact as a response to the question is an
>appeal.
No it isn't.
>> If YOU percieved an appeal that's YOUR problem.
>> If YOU percieved peer pressure that's YOUR problem.
>> >Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
>> >words that convey your meaning.
>> My intent was to state a documented fact.
>No your intent was...
Hahahahha!!!
YOU are telling ME what MY intent was?????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
I knew fags were good with floral design but I had no idea you also read
minds!
bwahahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!
>> EVERYTHING ELSE was INVENTED in YOUR mushy shit-like mind...
>Ok tribal primitive. <pat on the head>
You're a fool.
You're dismissed.
Try to stop sucking dicks.
Emerson Wainwright
> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
>
> news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games"
> > <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
> >>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games"
> >>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> >>>>> Patriot Games wrote:
> >>>>>>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word
> >>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
> >>>>>> Most Americans do.
> >>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
> >>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
> >>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
> >>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, and
> >>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital sex,
> >>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit?
> >>Nobody knows.
> >>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to honor
> >>> it.
> >>So?
> > So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" doesn't
> > really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word.
>
> If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM.
>
> > calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
>
> Yes it does.
I am God.
Emerson Wainwright
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a97ec42-2b71-48ae...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 6:27 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >> I made no appeal. I stated a documented fact.
> >Except your documented fact as a response to the question is an
> >appeal.
>
> No it isn't.
Yes it was.
Hatter
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a97ec42-2b71-48ae...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 6:27 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:2080ab8f-3a47-477d...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Apr 8, 4:47 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >> I made no appeal. I stated a documented fact.
> >Except your documented fact as a response to the question is an
> >appeal.
>
> No it isn't.
>
> >> If YOU percieved an appeal that's YOUR problem.
> >> If YOU percieved peer pressure that's YOUR problem.
> >> >Now, if this wasn't your intent, you should choose
> >> >words that convey your meaning.
> >> My intent was to state a documented fact.
> >No your intent was...
>
> Hahahahha!!!
>
> YOU are telling ME what MY intent was?????
No Im' not telling you...you already know. I just letting you know I
know what you were trying to do and perhaps someone who might not
understand what your intent really was in on the logical fallacy.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
>
> I knew fags were good with floral design but I had no idea you also read
> minds!
>
So how did you infer I was homosexual?, because if you did your
attempt to use a neutral term as a pejorative is mistaken. I would
suspect you seem to accuse so many others of homosexuality because of
what pyshcologists refer to as "projection" You may want to see your
way clear of your own confused feelings of sexual preference as they
seem to enger a type of self loathing.
> bwahahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!
>
> >> EVERYTHING ELSE was INVENTED in YOUR mushy shit-like mind...
> >Ok tribal primitive. <pat on the head>
>
> You're a fool.
>
> You're dismissed.
>
> Try to stop sucking dicks.
Awww. Really, its like looking at a 6th grader.
<pats on head>
Hatter
> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
>
> news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games"
> > <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
> >>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games"
> >>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> >>>>> Patriot Games wrote:
> >>>>>>news:DipthotDipthot-2EE...@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word
> >>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that?
> >>>>>> Most Americans do.
> >>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure?
> >>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported claim.
> >>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God.
> >>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, and
> >>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital sex,
> >>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit?
> >>Nobody knows.
> >>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to honor
> >>> it.
> >>So?
> > So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" doesn't
> > really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word.
>
> If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM.
>
> > calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
>
> Yes it does.
>
> > It's yoour actions that count. Now
> > go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
> > impressed.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then you apparently go around making people not impressed with you as
a hobby, because you are awfully good at it.
Hatter
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion you've
picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement
like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a little
more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just not
enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them"
>
>> calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
>
>Yes it does.
No, it doesn't (although it does make you a hypocrate). Actions make
you a christian, not some false words thrown out so your parents don't
get mad that you've forsaken the family religion.
>
>> It's yoour actions that count. Now
>> go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
>> impressed.
>
>Sorry, not my job to impress you.
Good thing its not or you'd be fired by now.
Patriot Games
You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or don't
follow.
>>> calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
>>Yes it does.
> No, it doesn't (although it does make you a hypocrate). Actions make
> you a christian, not some false words thrown out so your parents don't
> get mad that you've forsaken the family religion.
Lemme see if I got this correct. An ATHEIST is telling a CHRISTIAN what a
CHRISTIAN is?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHH!!!!
>>> It's yoour actions that count. Now
>>> go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
>>> impressed.
>>Sorry, not my job to impress you.
> Good thing its not or you'd be fired by now.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, and
while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of
them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the
premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I
blame them...
>
>>>> calling yourself a christian doesn't make you one.
>>>Yes it does.
>> No, it doesn't (although it does make you a hypocrate). Actions make
>> you a christian, not some false words thrown out so your parents don't
>> get mad that you've forsaken the family religion.
>
>Lemme see if I got this correct. An ATHEIST is telling a CHRISTIAN what a
>CHRISTIAN is?
Ah, ye of major assumptions. I'm not an atheist. I'm just not
christian. I was christian, and realized many of the hypocritical
things I read and saw were not for me. i'm not a lemming, so I didn't
feel the need to blindly follow something that didn't make sense to
me. You know what the irony is though; christianity itsel is a
reasonably decent religion. It's the members who keep fucking things
up.
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHH!!!!
You have a sexy laugh. You really do.
>
>>>> It's yoour actions that count. Now
>>>> go find out how many americans are true christians and we might get
>>>> impressed.
>>>Sorry, not my job to impress you.
>> Good thing its not or you'd be fired by now.
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Thanks, I thought it was pretty funny, myself, too.
Patriot Games
Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million?
Didn't think so.
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot?
Didn't think so...
"I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"
Homer Simpson
Crash
74% of Americans thought that invading iraq was a good idea... They
were wrong...
Patriot Games
Patriot Games
news:c0a9dc68-96ac-4741...@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> Most Americans do.
> 74% of Americans thought that invading iraq was a good idea...
Yep.
> They were wrong...
No they weren't.
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see
if you get it.
Patriot Games
I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT.
Have a nice day.
Harold Burton
<7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself straight,
it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
DanielSan
Something they've never been able to answer is this:
"What did Jesus have to say on the subject of homosexuality?"
See, if they believe Jesus is God become man, then it would behoove
Jesus to speak on the subject, especially if it is so important. Right?
So, what did Jesus have to say on the subject?
Anyone?
Harold Burton
DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Heheheheh. Bet the answer is "nothing".
snicker.
Dysperdis
> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
> news:n7lu049kjqeli4ube...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games"
>> <Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>>> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ifsp04htjuku2480g...@4ax.com...
>>>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot?
>>> Cite?
>> I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see
>> if you get it.
>
> I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT.
>
> Have a nice day.
...This is just priceless.
No One
> Harold Burton wrote:
> > In article
> > <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > No One <faggot...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word
> >> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer
> >> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical
> >> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
> > ...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself
> > straight, it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
>
> Something they've never been able to answer is this:
>
> "What did Jesus have to say on the subject of homosexuality?"
That's easy to answer partially - nothing recorded in the Bible or
imagined by the people who wrote it.
Of course (assuming he existed, which some atheists doubt*), he could
have said something such as, "There's nothing wrong with it," but
we'll never know, as his followers did not go around making cell phone
videos.
* Atheists who believe Jesus was a real person figure he was just
another street person, and you'll find some in any large city who
think they are deities of some sort - it's just that 2000 years ago
we called them prophets whereas today we call them schizophrenics. :-)
anonymous coward
interesting would be if you indicated to us what the Bible says about
heterosexuality, starting with love, honour and obey.
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
No, it's still going over your head. The point, as I think any adult
would have gotten by now, is that just throwing out a statistic is as
worthy as making one up. Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet
wanted one from me.
>Have a nice day.
You too, Sunshine.
Zeligg
Rev. Lovejoy: Get a divorce.
Marge: But isn't that a sin?
Rev. Lovejoy: Marge, everything is a sin. You ever sat down and read
[the bible]? Technically, we're not allowed to go to the bathroom.
Zeligg
"You are megalomaniac, the worst kind, because you're a monstrous and
perverted idiot."
Oz' love letter to Zeligg
Patriot Games
Of course that's STUPID.
An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>Have a nice day.
> You too, Sunshine.
Bye-bye, Weasel.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
news:4810f48b$0$3370$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
=================================
If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that
86% of Americans are Christian?
Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what
religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct
number would be of how many of those went to church say once a
month....................
If things are anything like Australia where I live, churches have been
closing because of poor attendances.
Now that is a fact!
-------------------------
I believe that in Europe there is a similar situation.
Zeligg
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
Still not quite registering, huh?
>
>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>
>Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
It's not in this post, I'll assume it's in one of the other 63 posts
that I'm not going to re-read.
>
>>>Have a nice day.
>> You too, Sunshine.
>
>Bye-bye, Weasel.
"Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Except
the weasel."
Homer Simpson
Zeligg
<ram...@truthonly.com> wrote:
>
>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
>news:4810f48b$0$3370$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
>> news:5rb114t76j4gilkr9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games"
>>> <Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Of course that's STUPID.
>>
>> An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
>>
>>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>>
>> Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>
>>>>Have a nice day.
>>> You too, Sunshine.
>>
>> Bye-bye, Weasel.
>>
>
>=================================
>
>If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that
>86% of Americans are Christian?
>
>Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what
>religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct
>number would be of how many of those went to church say once a
>month....................
>
Doh! Now you've done it, Rod. That kind of statement is exactly what
got me and the guy playing games with patriotism arguing in the first
place!
Patriot Games
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> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
> news:4810f48b$0$3370$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message
>> news:5rb114t76j4gilkr9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games"
>>> <Pat...@America.com> wrote:
> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that
> 86% of Americans are Christian?
http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going to
read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in, something
you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . ."
Believe In God: 86%
Don't Believe In God: 6%
Not Sure: 8%
> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what
> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct
> number would be of how many of those went to church say once a
> month....................
So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious affiliation
if they don't go to worship once a month?
> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag
from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself in
public!
Dennis Kemmerer
It's reverse McCarthyism. :)
RamRod Sword of Baal
Opps sorry :-)
I should know better than to quote the truth to religious
fanatics............
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
> news:YB7Qj.4689$ko5....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that
>> 86% of Americans are Christian?
>
> http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
> Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going
> to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in,
> something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . ."
> Believe In God: 86%
> Don't Believe In God: 6%
> Not Sure: 8%
>
>> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what
>> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more
>> correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a
>> month....................
>
> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious
> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when
the start calling names. You are a classic example
If church attendances are falling it is a good indication that people are no
longer interested in religion.
>> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
>
> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag
> from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself
> in public!
Stick and stones etc
A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question popped
by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes without even
thinking about it and then the fanatics have a few other questions of a
similar nature to ask that conditions the person into saying yes, then they
pop their real question, which was the idea right from the word go, by
saying no to the first question it throws most of these brain washed
fanatics off course.
The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been falling,
and some churches have closed.
In places like Catholic Spain the people have supported Gay Marriage,
despite the Pope screaming from the Vatican against it.
There are other catholic countries that have supported Gay Unions.
Woman take the pill despite the Catholic Church saying it is wrong.
In many of the so called Christian countries, US and Australia amongst them,
generally speaking abortion is legal despite various churches being against
it.
Almost all of the civilized western world now does not have laws
specifically against Gay men and women, despite many churches objecting.
IE the churches have lost much power.
IMHO the church is a place to worship, but the churches should stay out of
politics.
BTW I installed a door station on my front door, it rings the phones
thoughout the house when it is pressed, and you simply pick up a phone and
ask who is there. It is great to get rid of the door to door brain washed
religious fanatics.
BE-VA
<ram...@truthonly.com> wrote:
>> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious
>> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
>
>
>It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when
>the start calling names. You are a classic example
But the poster merely pointed out one of your significant shortcoming.
That's called "telling the truth", and it's far from name calling.
Patriot Games
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
> news:481217fa$0$4070$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message
>> news:YB7Qj.4689$ko5....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made
>>> that 86% of Americans are Christian?
>> http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm
>> Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going
>> to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in,
>> something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . .
>> ."
>> Believe In God: 86%
>> Don't Believe In God: 6%
>> Not Sure: 8%
>>> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what
>>> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more
>>> correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a
>>> month....................
>> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious
>> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
> It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when
> the start calling names. You are a classic example
Except... I have no such theory....
> If church attendances are falling it is a good indication that people are
> no longer interested in religion.
Or, doing something on Sunday, or Wednesday, or whenever.
It means NOTHING.
>>> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
>> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag
>> from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself
>> in public!
> Stick and stones etc
> A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question
> popped by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes
> without even thinking about it
And you know that how?
> The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been
> falling, and some churches have closed.
Yet you FAILED to CITE an example.
> In places like Catholic Spain the people have supported Gay Marriage,
> despite the Pope screaming from the Vatican against it.
Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> There are other catholic countries that have supported Gay Unions.
Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> Woman take the pill despite the Catholic Church saying it is wrong.
Catholic women? How many? You FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> In many of the so called Christian countries, US and Australia amongst
> them, generally speaking abortion is legal despite various churches being
> against it.
You're confusing individual personal belief with organized religion.
> Almost all of the civilized western world now does not have laws
> specifically against Gay men and women, despite many churches objecting.
> IE the churches have lost much power.
If they ever had the power you claim they had.
> IMHO the church is a place to worship, but the churches should stay out of
> politics.
You might be right but its not gonna happen.
Emerson Wainwright
> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in messagenews:y3sQj.5019$ko5....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
Surely it means something. Lower attendance certainly indicates a
loosening of the grasp of the church on its congregants.
> >>> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
> >> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag
> >> from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself
> >> in public!
> > Stick and stones etc
> > A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question
> > popped by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes
> > without even thinking about it
>
> And you know that how?
>
> > The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been
> > falling, and some churches have closed.
>
> Yet you FAILED to CITE an example.
Have a look here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_rate.htm
Be sure to read the part where it says that some people who claim to
go to church are LIARS.
LOL!
> > In places like Catholic Spain the people have supported Gay Marriage,
> > despite the Pope screaming from the Vatican against it.
>
> Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
You living under a fucking rock?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/30/AR2005063000245.html
DAMN you're lazy.
> > There are other catholic countries that have supported Gay Unions.
>
> Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
Behind the times, you are, and lazy, lazy, lazy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage
> > Woman take the pill despite the Catholic Church saying it is wrong.
>
> Catholic women? How many? You FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
Lazy, lazy, lazy. Pull your head OUT of your ass.
"By 1970, two-thirds of all Catholic women were using methods
disapproved by their Church; this figure reached three-quarters for
women under age 30."
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/179/4068/41
That should give you enough reading for awhile. Please don't have
seizures while perusing these citations that you were too lazy to look
up yourself. Ya look like a fool, ya know, when you don't even seem
to know the basics of what you argue.