> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" > <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported >>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God. >>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital >>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to >>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion you've >>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a little >>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just not >>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or don't >>>>follow. >>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, and >>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>> blame them... >>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>Didn't think so. > Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot?
<Patr...@America.com> wrote: >"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" >> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR unsupported >>>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God. >>>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them to, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital >>>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to >>>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion you've >>>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a little >>>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just not >>>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or don't >>>>>follow. >>>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, and >>>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>>> blame them... >>>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>>Didn't think so. >> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot?
>Cite?
I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see if you get it.
Zeligg
"For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler would presume to speak on political matters, let me say that I am not a pornographer trying to rise to the level of politics. ...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical conservative that has descended to the level of porn."
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games" > <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR >>>>>>>>>>>>unsupported >>>>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God. >>>>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them >>>>>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital >>>>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to >>>>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion you've >>>>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a little >>>>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just not >>>>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or >>>>>>don't >>>>>>follow. >>>>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, and >>>>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>>>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>>>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>>>> blame them... >>>>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>>>Didn't think so. >>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot? >>Cite? > I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see > if you get it.
In article <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word > on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer > to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical > view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself straight, it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
Harold Burton wrote: > In article > <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word >> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer >> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical >> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
> ...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself straight, > it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
Something they've never been able to answer is this:
"What did Jesus have to say on the subject of homosexuality?"
See, if they believe Jesus is God become man, then it would behoove Jesus to speak on the subject, especially if it is so important. Right?
DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Harold Burton wrote: > > In article > > <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word > >> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer > >> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical > >> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
> > ...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself straight, > > it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
> Something they've never been able to answer is this:
> "What did Jesus have to say on the subject of homosexuality?"
> See, if they believe Jesus is God become man, then it would behoove > Jesus to speak on the subject, especially if it is so important. Right?
Patriot Games wrote: > "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message > news:n7lu049kjqeli4ubemkcjaorq92makufuq@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games" >> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>> news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >>>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot? >>> Cite? >> I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see >> if you get it.
> I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT.
DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> writes: > Harold Burton wrote: > > In article > > <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> >> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word > >> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer > >> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical > >> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say... > > ...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself > > straight, it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
> Something they've never been able to answer is this:
> "What did Jesus have to say on the subject of homosexuality?"
That's easy to answer partially - nothing recorded in the Bible or imagined by the people who wrote it.
Of course (assuming he existed, which some atheists doubt*), he could have said something such as, "There's nothing wrong with it," but we'll never know, as his followers did not go around making cell phone videos.
* Atheists who believe Jesus was a real person figure he was just another street person, and you'll find some in any large city who think they are deities of some sort - it's just that 2000 years ago we called them prophets whereas today we call them schizophrenics. :-)
The Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality. Far more interesting would be if you indicated to us what the Bible says about heterosexuality, starting with love, honour and obey.
<Patr...@America.com> wrote: >"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >news:n7lu049kjqeli4ubemkcjaorq92makufuq@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games" >> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR >>>>>>>>>>>>>unsupported >>>>>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in God. >>>>>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them >>>>>>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have premarital >>>>>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another to >>>>>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion you've >>>>>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a little >>>>>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just not >>>>>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or >>>>>>>don't >>>>>>>follow. >>>>>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, and >>>>>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>>>>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>>>>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>>>>> blame them... >>>>>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>>>>Didn't think so. >>>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot? >>>Cite? >> I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see >> if you get it.
>I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT.
No, it's still going over your head. The point, as I think any adult would have gotten by now, is that just throwing out a statistic is as worthy as making one up. Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>Have a nice day.
You too, Sunshine.
Zeligg
"For anyone who finds it odd that a smut peddler would presume to speak on political matters, let me say that I am not a pornographer trying to rise to the level of politics. ...it is the attack-dog politics of the radical conservative that has descended to the level of porn."
<hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote: >In article ><7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word >> on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer >> to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical >> view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say...
>...and most of it contradictory. The bible can't keep itself straight, >it contradicts itself so often it's a joke.
Rev. Lovejoy: Get a divorce. Marge: But isn't that a sin? Rev. Lovejoy: Marge, everything is a sin. You ever sat down and read [the bible]? Technically, we're not allowed to go to the bathroom.
Zeligg
"You are megalomaniac, the worst kind, because you're a monstrous and perverted idiot." Oz' love letter to Zeligg
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games" > <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>news:n7lu049kjqeli4ubemkcjaorq92makufuq@4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>unsupported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>God. >>>>>>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them >>>>>>>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have >>>>>>>>>>>>> premarital >>>>>>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>>>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion >>>>>>>>> you've >>>>>>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>>>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>>>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or >>>>>>>>don't >>>>>>>>follow. >>>>>>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>>>>>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>>>>>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>>>>>> blame them... >>>>>>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>>>>>Didn't think so. >>>>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot? >>>>Cite? >>> I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see >>> if you get it. >>I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT. > No, it's still going over your head. The point, as I think any adult > would have gotten by now, is that just throwing out a statistic is as > worthy as making one up.
Of course that's STUPID.
An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message > news:5rb114t76j4gilkr9ddmvascgop21rivod@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games" >> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: > Of course that's STUPID.
> An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
> Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>>Have a nice day. >> You too, Sunshine.
> Bye-bye, Weasel.
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If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that 86% of Americans are Christian?
Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a month....................
If things are anything like Australia where I live, churches have been closing because of poor attendances.
Now that is a fact!
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I believe that in Europe there is a similar situation.
<Patr...@America.com> wrote: >"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >news:5rb114t76j4gilkr9ddmvascgop21rivod@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games" >> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>news:n7lu049kjqeli4ubemkcjaorq92makufuq@4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:56:07 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ifsp04htjuku2480g8dr9halbpbv4qrvei@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:uese04tpemubfkv7484c1e7mgoj42jrber@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:25:03 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:9he704pp1u7skpqd2phnsh5ijljaadavdd@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:51:38 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>news:v6lsv39vmius3r4s7cuc9m29pualia9lo2@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:23:54 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:b6kpv392fs51ccge8u1qhd322cpp2u2m52@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:JlsKj.1008$%V7.839@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patriot Games wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "655321" <DipthotDipt...@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:DipthotDipthot-2EE72B.18112705042008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <7f8d06d8-337b-44b1-a050-04f4e010f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No One <faggotfuck...@budweiser.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we accept God's Word >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would we do something as stupid as that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most Americans do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are arguing in favor of submitting to peer pressure? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I don't claim its peer pressure. That was YOUR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unsupported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its a simple documented fact that most Americans believe in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many of them behave as the bible tells them god wants them >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how many just say they believe in god and still have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> premarital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheat on spuses, lie, steal, treat their fellow man like shit? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's real easy to say you believe in something; it's another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> honor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>So? >>>>>>>>>>>> So saying something lame like "Most Americans believe in God" >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> really mean shit if they aren't obeying god's word. >>>>>>>>>>>If THEY think they are that's all that matters TO THEM. >>>>>>>>>> Sure, however you want to follow or don't follow the religion >>>>>>>>>> you've >>>>>>>>>> picked for yourself is your business, but when you use a statement >>>>>>>>>> like "most americans believe in god", perhaps you should be a >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> more exact. For isntance, "most americans believe in god, just >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> enough to actually follow the words he passed on to them" >>>>>>>>>You have no idea what "words he passed on to them" that they do or >>>>>>>>>don't >>>>>>>>>follow. >>>>>>>> Yes, I do. I have very many friends and family who are christian, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> while I love them all, when it comes to their religion, very few of >>>>>>>> them actually follow the bible. Some don't even own one. It's the >>>>>>>> premarital sex thing that seems to get most of them. Can't say as I >>>>>>>> blame them... >>>>>>>Do you know a statistically significant portion of 86% of 300 million? >>>>>>>Didn't think so. >>>>>> Did you know that 72% of statistics are made up on the spot? >>>>>Cite? >>>> I think that one went right over your head. Try re-reading it and see >>>> if you get it. >>>I got it. You tried to WEASEL OUT and GOT CAUGHT. >> No, it's still going over your head. The point, as I think any adult >> would have gotten by now, is that just throwing out a statistic is as >> worthy as making one up.
>Of course that's STUPID.
>An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
Still not quite registering, huh?
>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
It's not in this post, I'll assume it's in one of the other 63 posts that I'm not going to re-read.
>>>Have a nice day. >> You too, Sunshine.
>Bye-bye, Weasel.
"Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel." Homer Simpson
>> An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
>>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>> Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>>>Have a nice day. >>> You too, Sunshine.
>> Bye-bye, Weasel.
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>If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that >86% of Americans are Christian?
>Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what >religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct >number would be of how many of those went to church say once a >month....................
Doh! Now you've done it, Rod. That kind of statement is exactly what got me and the guy playing games with patriotism arguing in the first place!
"I'm not normally a praying man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!" Homer Simpson
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message > news:4810f48b$0$3370$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> "Zeligg" <zel...@guessagain.com> wrote in message >> news:5rb114t76j4gilkr9ddmvascgop21rivod@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:40:32 -0400, "Patriot Games" >>> <Patr...@America.com> wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that > 86% of Americans are Christian?
http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in, something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . ." Believe In God: 86% Don't Believe In God: 6% Not Sure: 8%
> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what > religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct > number would be of how many of those went to church say once a > month....................
So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself in public!
>>> An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
>>>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>>> Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>>>>Have a nice day. >>>> You too, Sunshine.
>>> Bye-bye, Weasel.
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>>If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that >>86% of Americans are Christian?
>>Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what >>religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct >>number would be of how many of those went to church say once a >>month....................
> Doh! Now you've done it, Rod. That kind of statement is exactly what > got me and the guy playing games with patriotism arguing in the first > place!
>>> An actual statistic is a FACT. Whatever you make up is a LIE.
>>>> Interesting that you supplied no cite, yet wanted one from me.
>>> Of course I provided a cite. Scroll back in the thread.
>>>>>Have a nice day. >>>> You too, Sunshine.
>>> Bye-bye, Weasel.
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>>If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that >>86% of Americans are Christian?
>>Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what >>religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more correct >>number would be of how many of those went to church say once a >>month....................
> Doh! Now you've done it, Rod. That kind of statement is exactly what > got me and the guy playing games with patriotism arguing in the first > place!
Opps sorry :-)
I should know better than to quote the truth to religious fanatics............
> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message > news:YB7Qj.4689$ko5.2113@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made that >> 86% of Americans are Christian?
> http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm > Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going > to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in, > something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . ." > Believe In God: 86% > Don't Believe In God: 6% > Not Sure: 8%
>> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what >> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more >> correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a >> month....................
> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious > affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when the start calling names. You are a classic example
If church attendances are falling it is a good indication that people are no longer interested in religion.
>> If things are anything like Australia where I live...
> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag > from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself > in public!
Stick and stones etc
A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question popped by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes without even thinking about it and then the fanatics have a few other questions of a similar nature to ask that conditions the person into saying yes, then they pop their real question, which was the idea right from the word go, by saying no to the first question it throws most of these brain washed fanatics off course.
The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been falling, and some churches have closed.
In places like Catholic Spain the people have supported Gay Marriage, despite the Pope screaming from the Vatican against it.
There are other catholic countries that have supported Gay Unions.
Woman take the pill despite the Catholic Church saying it is wrong.
In many of the so called Christian countries, US and Australia amongst them, generally speaking abortion is legal despite various churches being against it.
Almost all of the civilized western world now does not have laws specifically against Gay men and women, despite many churches objecting.
IE the churches have lost much power.
IMHO the church is a place to worship, but the churches should stay out of politics.
BTW I installed a door station on my front door, it rings the phones thoughout the house when it is pressed, and you simply pick up a phone and ask who is there. It is great to get rid of the door to door brain washed religious fanatics.
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:06 GMT, "RamRod Sword of Baal"
<ram...@truthonly.com> wrote: >> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious >> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month?
>It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when >the start calling names. You are a classic example
But the poster merely pointed out one of your significant shortcoming. That's called "telling the truth", and it's far from name calling.
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message > news:481217fa$0$4070$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message >> news:YB7Qj.4689$ko5.2113@news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made >>> that 86% of Americans are Christian? >> http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm >> Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going >> to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in, >> something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . >> ." >> Believe In God: 86% >> Don't Believe In God: 6% >> Not Sure: 8% >>> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what >>> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more >>> correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a >>> month.................... >> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious >> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month? > It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when > the start calling names. You are a classic example
Except... I have no such theory....
> If church attendances are falling it is a good indication that people are > no longer interested in religion.
Or, doing something on Sunday, or Wednesday, or whenever.
It means NOTHING.
>>> If things are anything like Australia where I live... >> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag >> from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself >> in public! > Stick and stones etc > A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question > popped by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes > without even thinking about it
And you know that how?
> The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been > falling, and some churches have closed.
Yet you FAILED to CITE an example.
> In places like Catholic Spain the people have supported Gay Marriage, > despite the Pope screaming from the Vatican against it.
Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> There are other catholic countries that have supported Gay Unions.
Yet you FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> Woman take the pill despite the Catholic Church saying it is wrong.
Catholic women? How many? You FAILED to CITE this alleged fact.
> In many of the so called Christian countries, US and Australia amongst > them, generally speaking abortion is legal despite various churches being > against it.
You're confusing individual personal belief with organized religion.
> Almost all of the civilized western world now does not have laws > specifically against Gay men and women, despite many churches objecting. > IE the churches have lost much power.
If they ever had the power you claim they had.
> IMHO the church is a place to worship, but the churches should stay out of > politics.
> > "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message > >news:481217fa$0$4070$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > >> "RamRod Sword of Baal" <ram...@truthonly.com> wrote in message > >>news:YB7Qj.4689$ko5.2113@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > >>> If my memory serves me correctly I think that the statement was made > >>> that 86% of Americans are Christian? > >>http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm > >> Gallup Poll. May 10-13, 2007. "For each of the following items I am going > >> to read you, please tell me whether it is something you believe in, > >> something you're not sure about, or something you don't believe in. . . > >> ." > >> Believe In God: 86% > >> Don't Believe In God: 6% > >> Not Sure: 8% > >>> Where it may well be true that if asked to fill in a form saying what > >>> religion you are, 86% could put down Christian, but in fact a more > >>> correct number would be of how many of those went to church say once a > >>> month.................... > >> So, in your ant-sized mind you think people lose their religious > >> affiliation if they don't go to worship once a month? > > It is always an indication that someone's pet theory's are threatened when > > the start calling names. You are a classic example
> Except... I have no such theory....
> > If church attendances are falling it is a good indication that people are > > no longer interested in religion.
> Or, doing something on Sunday, or Wednesday, or whenever.
> It means NOTHING.
Surely it means something. Lower attendance certainly indicates a loosening of the grasp of the church on its congregants.
> >>> If things are anything like Australia where I live... > >> One of the few certainties in life is that you can ALWAYS count on a fag > >> from Australia popping up to make a complete humiliating fool of himself > >> in public! > > Stick and stones etc > > A question like "Do you believe in God" is an old favourite question > > popped by various door to door religious fanatics. Most people say yes > > without even thinking about it
> And you know that how?
> > The simple facts of life are that here church attendances have been > > falling, and some churches have closed.
That should give you enough reading for awhile. Please don't have seizures while perusing these citations that you were too lazy to look up yourself. Ya look like a fool, ya know, when you don't even seem to know the basics of what you argue.
