Re: God hates fags
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
> God hates [gays].
No he doesn't. And THESE **prove** it:
PV
> It's written in scripture.
No, some people who claim to love God feel it's gives them the excuse to
hate gays and lesbians
God herself has yet to make her feelings known on the subject.
--
PV
Diogenes
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> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:51:36 +0000 (UTC),
> asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
>
>
>> God hates [gays].
>
> No he doesn't.
Of course it doesn't. Jesus was obviously gay since he never married.
Just James
> It's written in scripture.
What about Santa, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Faerie? How do they
feel about the subject?
--
Just James
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause." ~ Data
asdfasdf
@edtnps82:
Yes. God hates fags. It's written in scripture.
RamRod Sword of Baal
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He/she did create them...............
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asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
> "PV" <edrn...@telus.net> wrote:
>> asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
>>> It's written in scripture.
>> No, some people who claim to love God feel it's gives them
>> the excuse to hate gays and lesbians
>>
>> God herself has yet to make her feelings known on the subject.
> Yes. God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES, however,
make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief is always welcome!)
HERE is the REALITY:
dolf
appropriate demonstrable state, and when we do there is not going to be
forgiveness when I pursue and silence forever my religious enemies.
http://www.grapple.id.au/biblos.html
Continuing then on our approach to parsing of the KJV Biblical text with
its STRONGS inherent numbering which we are going to dynamically
associate to Categories of Understanding extracted from the GRAPPLE vCube...
I suggested that we'd initially wrap them with a strongsCLICK() function
as equivalent to the spanCLICK() function that we created earlier in our
vCube.html reference project.
We'll again use a Regular Expression to identify and extract the STRONGS
numbering pattern which always begins with either 'H' for Hebrew or 'G'
for Greek:
var strongs = new RegExp(/([H | G]\d{1,4})/);
This is then accomplished by a single call made directly to the inherent
split(strong) method function via its virtual book cubic reference:
node = vBOEK[hypeRef.section][hypeRef.begin.chapter][verse].split(strongs);
for (var i = 0; i < node.length; i=i+2) {
node[i] = String(node[i]).split(" ");
for (var j = 0; j < node[i].length-1; j++)
node[i][j] = node[i][j] + " ";
node[i][j] = [
"<span id='metaLink@STRONGS:", node[i+1], "'
onclick='strongsCLICK(id)'>",
node[i][node[i].length-1],
"</span>"
].join('');
node[i+1] = "";
node[i] = node[i].join('');
}
The strongsCLICK(id) function is then as follows:
function strongsCLICK(id) {
var juice = {};
with (juice = juicer(id)) {
switch(true) {
case ($.tokens[0] == 'metaLink'):
alert(id);
}
}
}
There are two exceptions being:
1) Occasional multiple Strongs references:
id = node[i+1];
while (node[i+jump][node[i+jump].length-1].indexOf("-") == 0) {
id = id + ',' + node[i+jump+1];
node[i+jump] = ""; node[i+jump+1] = "";
jump += 2;
}
2) Any trailing text and punctuation:
for (var j = 0; j < node[i].length; j++)
node[i][j] = node[i][j] + " ";
node[i] = node[i].join('');
The finished result of our getInfo() function is that every word
including multi-strongs reference exceptions appears to have been
accommodated by this approach to parsing the King James Biblical text.
function getInfo(section, chapter, verse) {
var strongs = new RegExp(/([H | G]\d{1,4})/);
var str = [], tmp = null, id = '', jump = 2;
var node = null;
if (typeof(vBOEK[hypeRef.section]) != 'undefined')
if (typeof(vBOEK[hypeRef.section][hypeRef.begin.chapter]) !=
'undefined')
if
(typeof(vBOEK[hypeRef.section][hypeRef.begin.chapter][verse]) !=
'undefined') {
node =
vBOEK[hypeRef.section][hypeRef.begin.chapter][verse].split(strongs);
for (var i = 0; i < node.length; i=i+jump) {
jump = 2;
node[i] = String(node[i]).split(" ");
if (typeof(node[i+1]) != 'undefined') {
for (var j = 0; j < node[i].length-1; j++)
node[i][j] = node[i][j] + " ";
id = node[i+1];
while
(node[i+jump][node[i+jump].length-1].indexOf("-") == 0) {
id = id + ',' + node[i+jump+1];
node[i+jump] = ""; node[i+jump+1] = "";
jump += 2;
}
node[i][j] = [
"<span id='metaLink@STRONGS:", id, "'
onclick='strongsCLICK(id)'>",
node[i][node[i].length-1],
"</span>"
].join('');
node[i+1] = "";
node[i] = node[i].join('');
} else {
for (var j = 0; j < node[i].length; j++)
node[i][j] = node[i][j] + " ";
node[i] = node[i].join('');
}
}
return(node.join(''));
}
return(' ');
}
This has been added to the HTML code within the vPage{} form object
which the grappleIDEA() uses as its data rendering process.
Diogenes
"Just James" <post_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> asdfasdf wrote:
>> It's written in scripture.
>
> What about Santa, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Faerie? How do they feel
> about the subject?
The tooth faerie likes homo's dicks between its teeth. Homos like Santa's
big ass. I don't know how the Easter Bunny feels about it, but the way they
reproduce would imply that the Easter Bunny is not a queer.
PV
God didn't write the scriptures, ergo God has not made her feelings known on
the subject.
--
PV
anonymous
Dio,
You see, the comments you have written aren't the kind of comments an
average heteroseual would write, or a Christian would write, or someone
who hated homosexuals would write. People who speak or write in this
fashion have an obvious preoccupation with homosexuality. Normal
homosexuals and heterosexuals just live their lives. It is awesome the
way you write and think, of course, but it is not remotely the way
another person posts be they homosexual or heterosexual.
But do keep posting because you are one of the most interesting people
who post.
asdfasdf
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herb <tri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> 3/5 Homosexual Perverts want sex with young Boys 3/5.
Outright LIE, since heterosexual child molesters VASTLY
outnumber homosexual ones. (Even when including Catholic
priests in the latter.)
But don't feel too bad -- since you're a BIGOT, we all know
you are a mental defective. If you were BORN ignorant, you
can't be blamed 100% for your bigotry. But if you LEARNED to
be a bigot -- then you are pond scum.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
Rod
You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
outside of marriage IS fornication, and presently marriage is between
man and woman. YHVH has not sanctioned marriage between two men or two
women,
and if incorrect then please provide the verses to substantiate this or
end your foolishness.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you, if any one called brother be
fornicator, or avaricious, or idolater, or abusive, or a drunkard, or
rapacious, not to mix with him ; with such a one not even to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have *I* to do with judging those outside also? *ye*,
do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But those without God judges. Remove the wicked person from
amongst yourselves.
anonymous
Homosexuals are generally way, way happier than heteroseuals primarily
because they don't have financial problems, don't have kids, usually 2
incomes and total freedom. They don't hate anybody and love life very
much.
Conversely, heterosexuals divorce at a rate of roughly 45 percent. Most
wifes complain their husbands don't make enough. Most wifes don't want
to work but often have to work because two salaries are needed to buy a
home, by a car, put kids through school and prepare for retiretment.
Most heterosexuals hate homosexuals.
So the reason there is a God is that he makes life awesome for the most
hated people on the planet and he makes life pretty tough and
challenging for those that hate homosexuals. So on that basis alone,
there is definitely a God. The scriptures were written by humans,
translated by humans and are interpreted by humans.
anonymous
>
> On 07 Aug 2009, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ••" <xana...@mchsi.com> posted some
> news:vn7p75plkn2cmv3l1...@4ax.com:
>
>
> The truth is homosexuals are all child molesters. Male child > molesters.
Pedophiles are child molesters. Pedophiles are males, 99 percent of the
time who have a sexual interest in male and female children and possibly
teenagers. Homosexuals are males who have a sexual interest in other
consenting adult males of sound mind.
anonymous
>
> "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote in
> news:OA3fm.38125$Db2.16924@edtnps83:
>
> > asdfasdf wrote:
> >> "PV" <edrnouser@ spam telus.net> wrote in news:nPYem.39922$PH1.1974
> >> @edtnps82:
> >>
> >>> asdfasdf wrote:
> >>>> It's written in scripture.
> >>>
> >>> No, some people who claim to love God feel it's gives them the
> >>> excuse to hate gays and lesbians
> >>>
> >>> God herself has yet to make her feelings known on the subject.
> >>
> >> Yes. God hates fags. It's written in scripture.
> >
> > God didn't write the scriptures, ergo God has not made her feelings
> > known on the subject.
>
> God hates fags. It's written in scripture.
God didn't write the scriptures. There is nothing to suggest that God
hates anybody. Humans wrote the scriptures a long time ago. Who knows
what their state of mind was, what language it was written in or how
accureate their descrption. I don't understand the bible to refer to
homosexuals. The word homosexual isn't in any Bible I know of.
But like there are lots of versions and lots of translations of the
Bible and you may have a different Bible than most other people.
anonymous
> > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:45:40 +0000 (UTC),
> > asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
> >
> > Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES, however,
> > make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief is always welcome!)
> >
> > HERE is the REALITY:
> >
> > http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
> >
>
> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
> outside of marriage IS fornication, and presently marriage is between
> man and woman. YHVH has not sanctioned marriage between two men or two
> women,
> and if incorrect then please provide the verses to substantiate this or
> end your foolishness.
>
Thanks so much for the reference to the Bible. Although I don't know
what those versus say, you have taken it upon yourself to parapharse
what you believe the Bible is trying to say. But the particular version
of the Bible is only adopted by some churches and not others. The
versus, of course, don't apply to people outside the church and it
doesn't apply to government legislation because government legislation
in Canada at least say two men and two women can get married.
Additionally, I think religous people say that the Bible says in some
way that people can only have sex if the are trying to produce offspring
but having sex because it feels good alone is not permitted and is a
sin. Most people I know only have 1 or two offspring so am I to
believe that these good Christians only have sex a few times until the
children were produced and then no sex took place for the rest of the
marriage so that these people don't sin and will have a better chance of
getting to heaven.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
>> Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES,
>> however, make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief
>> is always welcome!)
>>
>> HERE is the REALITY:
>>
>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
> outside of marriage IS fornication...
All THAT does is BOLSTER the argument for ALL marriage,
including same-sex marriage -- which was NOT excluded.
> ...and presently marriage is between man and woman.
Wrong!! PRESENTLY marriage ALSO is between same-sex
couples in rapidly growing list of states and countries in the
SIG, below. 100% LEGALLY **married**!
> YHVH* has not sanctioned marriage between two men or
> two women...
* ...otherwise known as God...
He NEVER *excluded* them. Therefore, not even the Bible
is of any help to your hateful & ignorant bigotry in that regard.
<material having NOTHING to do with same-sex marriage flushed>
As for 1 Cor. 5:12-13 --
Rod
�� wrote:
>>> asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
>
>
>>>> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
>
>>> Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES,
>>> however, make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief
>>> is always welcome!)
>>>
>>> HERE is the REALITY:
>>>
>>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
>
>> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
>> outside of marriage IS fornication...
>
> All THAT does is BOLSTER the argument for ALL marriage,
> including same-sex marriage -- which was NOT excluded.
No, not as written it doesn't. But like anything in print
it is vulnerable to the misuse of men. YHVH said to be fruitful
and multiply, something that gays cannot do UNLESS they repent
and are obedient to scriptures.
>
>> ...and presently marriage is between man and woman.
>
> Wrong!! PRESENTLY marriage ALSO is between same-sex
> couples in rapidly growing list of states and countries in the
> SIG, below. 100% LEGALLY **married**!
>
>> YHVH* has not sanctioned marriage between two men or
>> two women...
>
> * ...otherwise known as God...
>
> He NEVER *excluded* them. Therefore, not even the Bible
> is of any help to your hateful & ignorant bigotry in that regard.
>
> <material having NOTHING to do with same-sex marriage flushed>
>
> As for 1 Cor. 5:12-13 --
>
> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>
yes, the truth has always been hateful to guys like yourself,
but your contempt and name calling mean very little.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
>>> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
>> Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES,
>> however, make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief
>> is always welcome!)
>>
>> HERE is the REALITY:
>>
>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
> outside of marriage IS fornication...
All THAT does is BOLSTER the argument for ALL marriage,
including same-sex marriage -- which was NOT excluded.
> ...and presently marriage is between man and woman.
Wrong!! PRESENTLY marriage ALSO is between same-sex
couples in rapidly growing list of states and countries in the
SIG, below. 100% LEGALLY **married**!
> YHVH* has not sanctioned marriage between two men or
> two women...
* ...otherwise known as God...
He NEVER *excluded* them. Therefore, not even the Bible
is of any help to your hateful & ignorant bigotry in that regard.
<material having NOTHING to do with same-sex marriage flushed>
As for 1 Cor. 5:12-13 --
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
� Netherlands (as of 2001)
� Belgium (2003)
� Massachusetts (2004)
� Canada (2005)
� Spain (2005)
� South Africa (2005)
� Norway (2008)
� Connecticut (2008)
� New York ** (2008)
...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
� Iowa (2009)
� Vermont (2009)
� Sweden (2009)
� New Hampshire (2009)
� Washington, D.C.** (2009)
� Maine (2009)
� New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
� Hungary: PENDING in 2009
� Albania: PENDING in 2009
� Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
� Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
for couples legally married outside of the
state/district/country.
Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
��� REMEMBER DR. TILLER!! ���
��� REJECT *ALL* of the RRR & LDS Cults' Hate-Agendas ���
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
>>>>> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
>>>> Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES,
>>>> however, make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief
>>>> is always welcome!)
>>>>
>>>> HERE is the REALITY:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
>>> outside of marriage IS fornication...
>> All THAT does is BOLSTER the argument for ALL marriage,
>> including same-sex marriage -- which was NOT excluded.
> No, not as written it doesn't. But like anything in print
> it is vulnerable to the misuse of men. YHVH said to be fruitful
> and multiply...
And how WELL the gays are DOING just that!! ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway,
between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay
and lesbian families.
History of Gay and Lesbian Families by the Numbers
There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and
lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated
6 to 14 million children have a gay or lesbian parent.
http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm
= = = = =
With thanks to ""RamRod Sword of Baal"
<ram...@truthonly.com>, for presenting
this on 8-8-09.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>> ...and presently marriage is between man and woman.
>> Wrong!! PRESENTLY marriage ALSO is between same-sex
>> couples in rapidly growing list of states and countries in the
>> SIG, below. 100% LEGALLY **married**!
>> As for 1 Cor. 5:12-13 --
>>
>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Rod
�� wrote:
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> � Belgium (2003)
> � Massachusetts (2004)
> � Canada (2005)
> � Spain (2005)
> � South Africa (2005)
> � Norway (2008)
> � Connecticut (2008)
> � New York ** (2008)
> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
> � Vermont (2009)
> � Sweden (2009)
> � New Hampshire (2009)
> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
> � Maine (2009)
> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>
> � Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>
> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
> for couples legally married outside of the
> state/district/country.
>
> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>
> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
This excellent demonstration of perversion is just one example
of a twisted mentality. Your example will be used against your
interests to educate Christians on the evils of supporting same
sex marriage, and the twisted mentality supporting that perversion.
anonymous
> >> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> •• wrote:
> >>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• WHY be Unemployed?
> > • Belgium (2003)
> > • Massachusetts (2004)
> > • Canada (2005)
> > • Spain (2005)
> > • South Africa (2005)
> > • Norway (2008)
> > • Connecticut (2008)
> > ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
> > • Vermont (2009)
> > • Sweden (2009)
> > • New Hampshire (2009)
> > • Washington, D.C.** (2009)
> > • Maine (2009)
> > • Hungary: PENDING in 2009
> > • Albania: PENDING in 2009
> >
> > • Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> > • Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> >
> > ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
> > France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
> > for couples legally married outside of the
> > state/district/country.
> >
> > Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
> > in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
> > continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
> >
> > The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
> > is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
> > 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
> > both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
> > we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
> >
> > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
> This excellent demonstration of perversion is just one example
> of a twisted mentality.
> Your example will be used against your
> interests to educate Christians on the evils of supporting same
> sex marriage, and the twisted mentality supporting that perversion.
perversion? twisted mentality? And your relgion is? You see most
Christians can't have premarital sex. Most Christians can't use birth
control. Most Christians can't have an abortion. Most Christians can't
agree to a divorce. Most Christians are prohibited from having sex for
a purpose other than to produce offspirng. Most Christians can't
indulge in oral sex. Most Christians can't indulge in anal sex.
And I am okay with all those guidelines for Christians. But fortunately
for me I am not a Christian as defined by those guidelines and I am not
bound by those guidelines. But your guidelines aren't my guidelines
and aren't the guidelines of my Canadian government. You see there is a
rule, if you have evidence you wish to present, make sure that the
board, committee, or court can use the eividence you wish to present.
For example, there is no use snowshoeing into Canada to give the
government an envelop telling the Canadian government that homosexuality
is a perversion. Homosexuality may be a perversion in your relgion, but
it isn't a perversion under Canadian government law. It is doutful that
the Canadian government would be impressed with you suggesting that
homosexual who get married have a twisted mentality. So you can see you
would have to run to the nearest government that agrees with your
defintion. Good luck in your journey.
A. Hermaphrodite
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Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> � Netherlands (as of 2001)
>> � Belgium (2003)
>> � Massachusetts (2004)
>> � Canada (2005)
>> � Spain (2005)
>> � South Africa (2005)
>> � Norway (2008)
>> � Connecticut (2008)
>> � New York ** (2008)
>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
>> � Iowa (2009)
>> � Vermont (2009)
>> � Sweden (2009)
>> � New Hampshire (2009)
>> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
>> � Maine (2009)
>> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
>> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
>> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>>
>> � Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>
>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
>> for couples legally married outside of the
>> state/district/country.
>>
>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>>
>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>>
>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> This excellent demonstration of ...
...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
<remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
It's JIM CROW All Over Again!!
[Same-sex marriage so far is legal] only in a handful of states.
However, those marriages are not recognized nationally, and most
states refuse to recognize them in defiance of the Full Faith and
Credit Clause of the US Constitution. Additionally, the federal
government currently refuses to recognize their marriages, which
means that they do not have the same rights at the federal level,
which is the most important, and thus do not have equal rights.
If you want to claim that homosexuals have the same rights,
then you need to show that homosexuals can serve openly in the
US military without fear of reprisal and dismissal, and you need to
show that homosexual couples can get married anywhere in the
country, that these couples have access to the same rights and
laws at the federal and state level, and that they can freely move
between any two states without their marriages being dissolved
without their consent.
The legislation that is currently in place DENIES them equal
rights in most places.
-- Mark Sebree <seb...@infionline.net>, 7-27-09
Indeed! You'd think we'd have been DONE with sch hateful
CRAP after the Jim Crow Era ended almost 45 years ago!
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
"The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States
enacted between 1876 and 1965. They mandated de jure segrega-
tion in all public facilities, with a supposedly "separate but equal"
status for black Americans. In reality, this led to treatment and
accommodations that were usually inferior to those provided for
white Americans."
Only when this current, and equally hateful ^ specious laws ALL
have been struck dowm, can Civil Rights Movement II be concluded.
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anonymous <anon...@anonymous.com> wrote:
> "Rod" <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
> Perversion? Twisted mentality? And your relgion is? You see most
> Christians can't have premarital sex. Most Christians can't use birth
> control. Most Christians can't have an abortion. Most Christians can't
> agree to a divorce. Most Christians are prohibited from having sex for
> a purpose other than to produce offspirng. Most Christians can't
> indulge in oral sex. Most Christians can't indulge in anal sex.
The VAST majority of ACTUAL Christians (**and** of HYPOCRITICAL
lemmings of the RRR Cult!) do most or ALL of those things. ROUTINELY!
-- Premarital sex (try and find the FEW who DON'T do it!)
-- Birth Control. Practically everyone. Even the vast majority
of the Catholics LAUGH at the notion of using the "rhythm
method." (And almost no other denominations WHINE about
birth control, or even try to forbid it.)
-- Studies have shown that Christians are MORE likely to access
the valuable remedy of abortion than non-Christians -- and it
has been well-documented that a significantly HIGHER percent-
age of Catholics have them than other Christians... despite the
Vatican's condemnations of it. (Not only CAN Christians have
abortions -- they DO have them!)
-- About HALF of all people who get married (Christians included)
get divorced.
-- Only the most DOLTISH of the RRR cultists, with FEW excep-
tions, have sex ONLY for intended procreation. Almost ALL
sex, by *everyone*, is done RECREATIONALLY.
-- Oral sex? Whomever feels so inclined simply DOES it! (And
that restriction to "missionary position" bullcrap pretty much
went out with the Puritans.)
-- Anal sex? SAME as with oral sex. (Interestingly, MORE
*straights* have oral and anal sex than there even ARE gays!
(And remember -- 83% of Americans profess CHRISTIANITY!)
Some people have some very ODD notions about actual Christians.
Take it from this P.K. (preacher's kid) -- actual Christians are every
bit as liberal-minded, in almost all cases, as most non-Christians. (And
MORE so than a lot of them!)
> And I am okay with all those guidelines for Christians.
TRANSLATION from psychobabble:
"And all those guidelines for Christians are okay with me."
> But fortunately for me I am not a Christian as defined by those
> guidelines and I am not bound by those guidelines.
Not to worry! NEITHER are most Christians. MOST of those
"guidelines" are *nonexistent.*
> But your guidelines aren't my guidelines and aren't the guidelines
> of my Canadian government.
IF they *were*, the Canadian government would be FAR more
repressive than that of the USA. And as we all know, Canada has
MORE respect for personal liberty than does the USA, which still is
partly-infested by Puritanical RRR Cult dolts.
> You see, there is a rule: if you have evidence you wish to present,
> make sure that the board, committee, or court can use the eividence
> you wish to present.
>
> For example, there is no use snowshoeing into Canada to give the
> government an envelop telling the Canadian government that homo-
> sexuality is a perversion. Homosexuality may be a perversion in your
> relgion, but it isn't a perversion under Canadian government law.
The USA will SOON be acting that INTELLIGENTLY.
> It is doutful that the Canadian government would be impressed
> with you suggesting that homosexual who get married have a twisted
> mentality.
It *would*, however, provide them with good COMIC RELIEF! :)
> So you can see you would have to run to the nearest government
> that agrees with your defintion. Good luck in your journey.
(I wonder if he'll be visiting the Middle East anytime soon...? ISLAM
is *exponentially* more backward and repressive than Christianity!)
Rod
�� wrote:
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> � Belgium (2003)
>>> � Massachusetts (2004)
>>> � Canada (2005)
>>> � Spain (2005)
>>> � South Africa (2005)
>>> � Norway (2008)
>>> � Connecticut (2008)
>>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
>>> � Vermont (2009)
>>> � Sweden (2009)
>>> � New Hampshire (2009)
>>> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
>>> � Maine (2009)
>>> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
>>> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
>>> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>>>
>>> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>
>>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
>>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
>>> for couples legally married outside of the
>>> state/district/country.
>>>
>>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
>>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
>>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>>>
>>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
>>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
>>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
>>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
>>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>>>
>>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>> This excellent demonstration of ...
>
> ...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
> of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
> anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
>
> <remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
>
Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost, and your dismissal
of it remains largely ineffective. The facts and reason will
prevail over your tantrums, name calling and lies about my post.
Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
just the same. You, and those of like mind need to understand
that marriage has always had one main purpose, to populate the
planet and keep the species of man ALIVE, and that has been
accomplished thanks to the wisdom of YHVH.
As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted such
in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have. Having
said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
against in many areas, but then so are non whites, the elderly
and many young people. Discrimination is rampant in the US and
should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the wolves
among us.
I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
behavior, but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Rod" <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote in message
news:h5muhr$eie$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost, and your dismissal
> of it remains largely ineffective. The facts and reason will
> prevail over your tantrums, name calling and lies about my post.
>
> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
> just the same. You, and those of like mind need to understand
> that marriage has always had one main purpose, to populate the
> planet and keep the species of man ALIVE, and that has been
> accomplished thanks to the wisdom of YHVH.
>
> As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted such
> in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have. Having
> said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
> against in many areas, but then so are non whites, the elderly
> and many young people. Discrimination is rampant in the US and
> should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
> monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
> as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
>
> Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the wolves
> among us.
>
> I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
> behavior, but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
>
> I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
> but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
--------------------------
You are writing this from YOUR perspective of what SOME Christians think,
but certainly NOT all Christians. Hence we have now a Gay Bishop (and
possibly more shortly) and some Christian Churches that support Gay
marriage.
Let us also not forget that only 1/3 of the worlds population state that
they are Christian and that does not take into account those who SAY they
are Christian , but never go to Church or follow the Christian religion,
which is a major proportion of them it seems.
For instance, the CIA factbook show that in the USA around 76% state that
they are Christian and around 40% say they regularly go to Church, but it is
said a much more accurate number is nearer 20% of Church attendees.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_rate.htm
Thus you are talking broadly from a limited base when you talk of sin, and
certainly not from a majority.
In both Britain and Australia polls have shown that over 60% support Gay
marriage, Canada 58% support it and in Sweden 71% support Gay Marriage., in
Norway 58%, and over 60% in Spain.
You might like to look at this ..................
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=423#canada
==================
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> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> God hates [gays]. It's written in scripture.
>>>>>>>> Being DELUSIONAL doesn't become you. (It DOES,
>>>>>>>> however, make you a LAUGHINGSTOCK, and comic relief
>>>>>>>> is always welcome!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HERE is the REALITY:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>>>>>> You left out the context of the verses in 1 Cor. 12-13, so sin
>>>>>>> outside of marriage IS fornication...
>>>>>> All THAT does is BOLSTER the argument for ALL marriage,
>>>>>> including same-sex marriage -- which was NOT excluded.
>>>>> No, not as written it doesn't. But like anything in print
>>>>> it is vulnerable to the misuse of men. YHVH said to be fruitful
>>>>> and multiply...
>>>> And how WELL the gays are DOING just that!! ---
[[[ Next portion was repeated below, so it appears only there. ]]]
>>>>>>> ...and presently marriage is between man and woman.
>>>>>> Wrong!! PRESENTLY marriage ALSO is between same-sex
>>>>>> couples in rapidly growing list of states and countries in the
>>>>>> SIG, below. 100% LEGALLY **married**!
>>>>>> As for 1 Cor. 5:12-13 --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Lie.html
>>>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>>>
>>>> FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
>>>>
>>>> Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
>>>> the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
>>>>
>>>> ( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
>>>>
>>>> � Netherlands (as of 2001)
>>>> � Belgium (2003)
>>>> � Massachusetts (2004)
>>>> � Canada (2005)
>>>> � Spain (2005)
>>>> � South Africa (2005)
>>>> � Norway (2008)
>>>> � Connecticut (2008)
>>>> � New York ** (2008)
>>>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
>>>> � Iowa (2009)
>>>> � Vermont (2009)
>>>> � Sweden (2009)
>>>> � New Hampshire (2009)
>>>> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
>>>> � Maine (2009)
>>>> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
>>>> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
>>>> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>>>>
>>>> � Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>>
>>>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
>>>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
>>>> for couples legally married outside of the
>>>> state/district/country.
>>>>
>>>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
>>>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
>>>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>>>>
>>>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
>>>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
>>>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
>>>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
>>>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>>>>
>>>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>> This excellent demonstration of ...
>> ...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
>> of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
>> anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
>><remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
> Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost.
As far as *I'm" concerned, it has. Nowhere is that lying
pollution to be found in MY previous post.
> The facts and reason ...
...are things of which you clearly are DEVOID.
Know something? Just for example, NO bigot has EVER been able
to provide so much as ONE single FACT that supports their vacuous
stance against 100%-HARMLESS same-sex marriage.
Then you wonder why society is coming to regard your ilk as
LAUGHINGSTOCKS at an *accelerating* pace.
> Homosexuality is a sin.
In your OPINION. In reality, it is just as much a variation of
NORMALCY as heterosexuality is. You could LEARN from THIS,
if you were able to REASON, and weren't OBLIVIOUS to relevant
facts:
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Erroneous-Hate.html
(Not only that, but who ever appointed YOU to act in the
manner of a GESTAPO agent, in trying to restrict that
which OTHER people do which does no overt harm to their
neighbors?)
> ...no worse than any other sin, but sin just the same.
Ah. No worse than all the LIES that *bigots* tell? Actually,
the LYING is FAR worse -- one of the Big Ten forbids it -- but
the 10 Commandments don't even MENTION homosexuality.
> You, and those of like mind need to understand that marriage
> has always had one main purpose...
Yeah. Mutual commitment of people to one another.
Anything ELSE is SECONDARY to that.
> ...to populate the planet and keep the species of man ALIVE...
Which is supposedly a GOOD thing, WHY?
If humanity were to simply become sterile and die out 200
years from now -- extinct as the dinosaurs -- I can safely
GUAANTEE you that NO one alive today would GIVE the
remotest flying rat's ass.
This "reproduction" hobby that so many people are hung up
on really is quite POINTLESS, at bottom. Most of them could
be JUST as happy having nice dogs or cats as pets.
> ...and that has been accomplished thanks to the wisdom
> of YHVH.
You don't need to be so fancy. "God" is easier to type.
As far as gays and reproduction are concerned, they seem
to be AS hung up on that hobby as heteros are, since they
employ most of the same methods of accomplishing that,
including IVF, artificial insemination, adoption, surrogate
mothers -- and probably, just a few more years down the
road, via fully-legal and commonplace human cloning.
NOTE:
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway,
between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay
and lesbian families.
History of Gay and Lesbian Families by the Numbers
There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and
lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated
6 to 14 million children have a gay or lesbian parent.
http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm
= = = = =
With thanks to ""RamRod Sword of Baal"
<ram...@truthonly.com>, for presenting
this on 8-8-09.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted
> such in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have.
And that SAME Constitution (specifically, its 14th Amendment)
which says "ALL people," will soon END the hateful and ignorant
exclusion of marriage from same-sex partners.
> Having said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
> against in many areas, but then so are non whites, the elderly
> and many young people. Discrimination is rampant in the US and
> should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
> monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
> as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
>
> Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the
> wolves among us.
Once the bigotry has been destroyed, no "special" protections
will ever again be needed for them, OR blacks, the elderly, etc.
> I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
> behavior, but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
>
> I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
> but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
No. Your SPECIOUS desire to EXCLUDE gays from that to which
they ALREADY should have unfettered access, per the Constitution,
is a mockery of the truth.
And UNLESS the U.S. Supreme Court is prepared to APOLOGIZE
to the segregationists, it soon will RULE for the gays, the SAME way
that it ended the equally-asinine exclusion from marriage of inter-
racial couples.
anonymous
>
> "Rod" <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote in message
> news:h5muhr$eie$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >
> > Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost, and your dismissal
> > of it remains largely ineffective. The facts and reason will
> > prevail over your tantrums, name calling and lies about my post.
> >
> > Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
> > just the same. You, and those of like mind need to understand
> > that marriage has always had one main purpose, to populate the
> > planet and keep the species of man ALIVE, and that has been
> > accomplished thanks to the wisdom of YHVH.
> >
planet have
legislation and all culture is geared to producing offspring and
homosexuals wouldn't' want it any other way. Remember if heterosexuals
stopped producing offspring, then heterosexuals would stop producing the
10 percent of homosexuals they so create.
> > As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted such
> > in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have.
I suppose you speak of America which is cool but in Canada the Charter
provides homosexuals to get married, and have the same rights as
heterosexual men and women, to divorce, estate benefits, pension
benefits and medical benefits plus awesome tax benefits. For instance,
if Canada if a husband wants to put the house in the wife's name he can
do that would out the couple or the wife paying taxes on the house
transfer. Common-law people can't do that and neither can homosexuals,
but married homosexuals can transfer millions of dollars in assets back
and forth to and from each other on a daily basis without tax problems
just like the heterosexual married couple providing homosexuals and
heterosexuals are not doing it for a fraudulent means as opposed to good
investment decisions.
.
> > Having
> > said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
> > against in many areas, but then so are non whites, the elderly
> > and many young people. Discrimination is rampant in the US and
> > should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
> > monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
> > as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
> >
Again, in the little country of Canada there is no legal discrimination
under the law be you an East Indian or a homosexual, everybody is equal.
> > Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the wolves
> > among us.
There are no wolves only uneducated sheep. My best example are the
women who say they don't walk to talk about sex education with their
daughters because it will destroy their innocence. Pedophiles and sex
offenders wait a lifetime for such innocent victims.
> >
> > I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
> > behavior, but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
> >
Only religious people see the world as punishment and reward. Women
should now that better than anyone when they had to wait over a thousand
years before non-religous women
to get a divorce, an abortion and birth control.
> > I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
> > but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
>
You need not support homosexual marriage. Many people don't support
women having the right of abortion. Many men are not happy the wife can
come home and say I have had enough I am leaving and the next day the
wife leaves with have the assets of the 30 year marriage and half his
pension because she never had one through her employment.
There is no better way to define a marrige between a man and a woman
with a yearly statistic of divorce of rough 45 of all marriages. And
wny would you or anyone want the most hated pepole on the planet to have
tax benefits, pension, medical plan benefits
marriage and divorce benefits. The world understands you and
understand where you are coming from. You are probably one of the few
heterosexuals married to the same perfect spouse and for that you are to
be commended.
>
> You are writing this from YOUR perspective of what SOME Christians think,
> but certainly NOT all Christians. Hence we have now a Gay Bishop (and
> possibly more shortly) and some Christian Churches that support Gay
> marriage.
>
Yes, do in the same way that some countries support homosexual marriage
and do you hear about these chruches and countries. No, because gay
marriage and gay bishops are a non-issue.
juanjo
> It's written in scripture.
In the Torah, the Hebrew Deity set forth roughly 613 laws that his
people were to follow. Christians pick and choose which ones they
choose to follow and use various forms of sophistry to excuse their
ignoring the others.
The generally anonymous so-called Christians who post their hate
concerning homosexuals here violate two fundamental laws of Judaism
and Christianity, namely the ones about lying and bearing false
witness. Indeed if one were to consider the words of Jesus who
paraphrasing the Talmudic teachings, that one should love God with all
one's heart and love his neighbor as himself, then they violate three
basic laws of those two religions. Then they violate the admonition
of Paul who stated in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13:
I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people,
not at all referring to the immoral of this world or the greedy
and robbers or idolaters; for you would then have to leave the world.
But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a
brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a
drunkard, or a robber, not even to eat with such a person.
For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to
judge those within?
God will judge those outside. "Purge the evil person from your
midst."
Paul's admonition is quite specific. One that these so-called
religious people seem intent on ignoring as they are too busy judging
the actions of others who do not subscribe to their interpretations of
scripture or who are not even Christian while ignoring their own
pecadillos.
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For more about that, please see:
www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Lie.html
> Paul's admonition is quite specific. One that these so-called
> religious people seem intent on ignoring as they are too busy judging
> the actions of others who do not subscribe to their interpretations of
> scripture or who are not even Christian while ignoring their own
> pecadillos.
Excellent post! And just a quick reminder of who the ACTUAL
hateful and bigoted people being discussed here are: NOT actual
Christians -- but rather, the RRR Cultists who LYINGLY *claim* to
be Christians, in a transparent and bogus effort to co-opt the
respectability of that religion.
Normal Christians are everyone's sensible, fair-minded, pretty
intelligent, ordinary, unobtrusive, work-a-day next-door neighbors.
Unlike the RRR cultists, we are quiet, low-profile, and friendly people
who usually have a live-and-let-live attitude with respect to the per-
sonal affairs and behaviors of other people. Very few of us ever
engage in any form of busybodyism or discrimination. In America,
83% of the population professes Christianity. Only a mere 6% of
those are obnoxious and bigoted RRR Cultists. The other 94% of
us are normal and tolerant. We comprise about 250,000,000 of the
USA's 300 million people. IF we were anything like the RRR cultists,
America would be a tyrannical theocracy that would make Iran look
benign by comparison. So PLEASE -- keep these two completely op-
posite groups of people straight in your minds, and don't blame
"Christians" when you see hatefulness and bigotry. We do NOT de-
serve to be wrongfully painted with the RRR Cult's brush. (And one
more thing... the RRR loves to make people think that Christians
oppose abortion. That's a major LIE. Fully 2/3 of Americans support
the right to choose, and reliable polls show that has been consistently
true for over 30 years. And 5/6 of Americans are normal Christians.
Do the math. Most of us are sensibly Pro- Choice! When it comes to
breaking that Commandment against lying, RRR cultists are experts
at it.)
And: http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CINO.html
Rod
�� wrote:
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> � Belgium (2003)
>>>>> � Massachusetts (2004)
>>>>> � Canada (2005)
>>>>> � Spain (2005)
>>>>> � South Africa (2005)
>>>>> � Norway (2008)
>>>>> � Connecticut (2008)
>>>>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
>>>>> � Vermont (2009)
>>>>> � Sweden (2009)
>>>>> � New Hampshire (2009)
>>>>> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
>>>>> � Maine (2009)
>>>>> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
>>>>> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
>>>>> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>>>
>>>>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
>>>>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
>>>>> for couples legally married outside of the
>>>>> state/district/country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
>>>>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
>>>>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
>>>>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
>>>>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
>>>>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
>>>>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>>>> This excellent demonstration of ...
>
>>> ...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
>>> of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
>>> anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
>
>>> <remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
>
>> Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost.
>
> As far as *I'm" concerned, it has. Nowhere is that lying
> pollution to be found in MY previous post.
>
>> The facts and reason ...
>
> ...are things of which you clearly are DEVOID.
Again, the fact is that marriage is between a man and a woman,
not Bob and Steve or Jane and Jennie. Because you are unable to
accept the facts of life doesn't present them as "lying swill"
to better adjusted people than yourself.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> � Netherlands (as of 2001)
>>>>>> � Belgium (2003)
>>>>>> � Massachusetts (2004)
>>>>>> � Canada (2005)
>>>>>> � Spain (2005)
>>>>>> � South Africa (2005)
>>>>>> � Norway (2008)
>>>>>> � Connecticut (2008)
>>>>>> � New York ** (2008)
>>>>>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
>>>>>> � Iowa (2009)
>>>>>> � Vermont (2009)
>>>>>> � Sweden (2009)
>>>>>> � New Hampshire (2009)
>>>>>> � Washington, D.C.** (2009)
>>>>>> � Maine (2009)
>>>>>> � New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
>>>>>> � Hungary: PENDING in 2009
>>>>>> � Albania: PENDING in 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> � Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>>>> � Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
>>>>>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
>>>>>> for couples legally married outside of the
>>>>>> state/district/country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
>>>>>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
>>>>>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
>>>>>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
>>>>>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
>>>>>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
>>>>>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>>>>> This excellent demonstration of ...
>>>> ...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
>>>> of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
>>>> anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
>>>> <remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
>>> Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost.
>> As far as *I'm" concerned, it has. Nowhere is that lying
>> pollution to be found in MY previous post.
>>> The facts and reason ...
>> ...are things of which you clearly are DEVOID.
> Again, the fact is that marriage is between a man and a woman...
...a woman and a woman, and a man and a man. (So far, that's
pretty much it, except in the few places where polygamy is condoned.)
As for same-sex marriage (SSM), things are getting better at an
accelerating pace as societies realize how utterly STUPID, irrational,
and hateful are the LOSERS who have been opposing it. Since SSM
is 100% harmless! As the table I presented above proves.
anonymous
> >>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> • Belgium (2003)
> >>>>> • Massachusetts (2004)
> >>>>> • Canada (2005)
> >>>>> • Spain (2005)
> >>>>> • South Africa (2005)
> >>>>> • Norway (2008)
> >>>>> • Connecticut (2008)
> >>>>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
> >>>>> • Vermont (2009)
> >>>>> • Sweden (2009)
> >>>>> • New Hampshire (2009)
> >>>>> • Washington, D.C.** (2009)
> >>>>> • Maine (2009)
> >>>>> • Hungary: PENDING in 2009
> >>>>> • Albania: PENDING in 2009
> >>>>>
> >>>>> • Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> >>>>> • Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
You are absolutely correct that in your church or in your state or
country that may be the law, but there are several countries where steve
and bob can marry and Canada is one of them. But I agree with you that
when a man and a woman get married the divorce rate is around 45
percent.
anonymous
> >> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> •• wrote:
> >>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>>> (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) •• <www.LayoffRemedy.com> •• wrote:
> >>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>> • Belgium (2003)
> >>> • Massachusetts (2004)
> >>> • Canada (2005)
> >>> • Spain (2005)
> >>> • South Africa (2005)
> >>> • Norway (2008)
> >>> • Connecticut (2008)
> >>> ...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
> >>> • Vermont (2009)
> >>> • Sweden (2009)
> >>> • New Hampshire (2009)
> >>> • Washington, D.C.** (2009)
> >>> • Maine (2009)
> >>> • Hungary: PENDING in 2009
> >>> • Albania: PENDING in 2009
> >>>
> >>> • Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> >>> • Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
> >>>
> >>> ** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
> >>> France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
> >>> for couples legally married outside of the
> >>> state/district/country.
> >>>
> >>> Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
> >>> in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
> >>> continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
> >>>
> >>> The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
> >>> is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
> >>> 50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
> >>> both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
> >>> we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
> >>>
> >>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> >
> >> This excellent demonstration of ...
> >
> > ...being a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian i9n the course
> > of factually exposing the dishonesty and desperation of the
> > anti-personal liberties BIGOTS, was proudly provided.
> >
> > <remaining LYING swill by "Rod" flushed. NO FACTS lost.>
> >
>
> Ah Craig...my post hasn't been lost, and your dismissal
> of it remains largely ineffective. The facts and reason will
> prevail over your tantrums, name calling and lies about my post.
>
> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
> just the same.
But sins and sinning only applies to those that got to church, pay the
pastor and believe his teachings.
> You, and those of like mind need to understand
> that marriage has always had one main purpose, to populate the
> planet and keep the species of man ALIVE, and that has been
> accomplished thanks to the wisdom of YHVH.
Well, it is so effective, you are right that in some countries they only
want men who can fight and work and not be interrupted with pregnancy so
girl children are killed or put up for adoption or given to other
couples who are childless but way, way to many people exist in this
planet but let me not discourage any couple from raising offspring at
200,000 per child per 17 years. Have 7 chilren, please.
>
> As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted such
> in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have.
Well, you haven't stated what the billof rights says, but in Canada our
Charter protexts and gives equal rights to all Canadians. So in Canada
because heterosxuals can marry, so can homosexuals.
> Having
> said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
> against in many areas, but then so are non whites, the elderly
> and many young people. Discrimination is rampant in the US and
> should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
> monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
> as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
>
> Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the wolves
> among us.
>
> I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
> behavior, but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
>
> I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
> but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
Hey gay marriage doesn't need the support of anyone. Please spend your
time and energy trying to figure out why 45 percent of all hetersexuals
end in divorce even after they have produced offspring.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
h5i5t6$5sl$4...@news.eternal-september.org
> asdfasdf wrote:
>> It's written in scripture.
>
They are not written in Scripture, but if you want to believe in them...
and if it helps you and gives you something...
I prefer to believe in the One Living God who is above all others, full
of Love, Grace, Peace, Mercy, Glory, Justice and Truth.
> How do they
> feel about the subject?
>
> --
> Just James
>
> "I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause." ~ Data
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JohnN
wrote:
> Just James post_mas...@sbcglobal.net wrote in
> h5i5t6$5s...@news.eternal-september.org
>
> > asdfasdf wrote:
> >> It's written in scripture.
>
> > What about Santa, the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Faerie?
>
> They are not written in Scripture, but if you want to believe in them...
> and if it helps you and gives you something...
>
> I prefer to believe in the One Living God who is above all others, full
> of Love, Grace, Peace, Mercy, Glory, Justice and Truth.
Same dance, different music.
JohnN
JohnN
> It's written in scripture.
And yet your god has done nothing about homosexuals. Why is that?
JohnN
<<kêllÿ>>
> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
> just the same.
Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, we
should all know about the sins you commit regularly so we can discuss
them in the same way you are obsessed with talking about
homosexuality.
> You, and those of like mind need to understand
> that marriage has always had one main purpose, to populate the
> planet and keep the species of man ALIVE, and that has been
> accomplished thanks to the wisdom of YHVH.
I see. So when are you and your wife going to get divorced (or at the
very least stop having sexual relations)? You have said that your
marriage has produced no children - therefore for you two to remain
married goes against what you say the "main purpose" of marriage is.
> As for gays having equal rights, they have been granted such
> in the bill or rights, just as any other citizens have.
The Bill of Rights grants no "special rights" to anyone. I see you
are still too stupid for words sometimes, rodney.
> Having
> said this, I'll confess to you that they are discriminated
> against in many areas,
That is true.
> but then so are non whites,
Not since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
> the elderly
> and many young people.
Really? How are "the elderly and many young people" discriminated
against, rodney?
> Discrimination is rampant in the US
Cite? References? Statistics?
> and
> should be stamped out, and those practicing it jailed and their
> monetary gains from that practice be rewarded to their victims
> as compensation for depriving them of their rights.
You still don't get the difference between criminal and civil law, do
you?
> Just as gays need special protections, so do we all from the wolves
> among us.
Oh? You, as a white male American have to fear exactly what in such a
manner that you need "special protections"?
> I don't see extending this protection to ANYONE as rewarding bad
> behavior,
"Bad behavior" *is* your specialty, rodney...
> but as actually punishing those that discriminate.
And you don't think that happens because...?
> I'm not against protection from discrimination for ANYONE,
> but I won't support gay marriage, it's a mockery of the truth.
Apparently, since you and your wife won't ever have children together,
so is your marriage (that is, according to your standard, rodney).
Randy ®
> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, we
> should all know about the sins you commit regularly so we can discuss
> them in the same way you are obsessed with talking about
> homosexuality.
Uh, excuse me, can you show me where he looked right at the
Scripture that plainly shows the sin he may have committed was
wrong, and then tried to justify that sin, as if God were ok with
it?
On 7 Jan 2007 18:38:14 -0800,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <1168223894.3...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
Subject: Re: RANDY "PULPITFIRE" YOUNG...WHY DID YOU SAY THAT???
"*IKnowThatIAmAWhosoeverToo*" <onthe...@verizon.net> wrote:
**************************************************************
I am a lesbian
**************************************************************
On 21 Jul 2006 11:18:48 -0700,
in article
<1153505928....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Whosoever" <onthe...@verizon.net> wrote:
**************************************************************
No, the Bible does not forbid same-sex relations in a
committed, loving, monogamous relationship. It speaks of
homosexual-style rape in Genesis (but that isn't why Sodom was
destroyed), it speaks of anal-penetration in Leviticus (which
is something plenty of heterosexuals partake in), and it
speaks of same-sex temple prostitution in the New Testament.
None of these have anything to do with committed, loving,
monogamous homosexuality.
**************************************************************
On 29 Jul 2006 23:25:00 -0700,
in article
<1154240700.1...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"3Wh�s�ever3" <onthe...@verizon.net> wrote:
**************************************************************
I never said a word about my homosexuality in these groups
until you thought you had the right to "expose" me.
**************************************************************
Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
the city of Sodom�both young and old�surrounded the house.
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
(Genesis 19:4-7)
"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
(Leviticus 20:13)
While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
and served created things rather than the Creator�who is
forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to
shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual
relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with
lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other
men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
error. (Romans 1:25-27)
(1 Corinthians 6:9) Do you not know that the wicked will not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the
sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male
prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but
for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy
and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers,
for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing
homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And
it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that
conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed
God, which he entrusted to me. (1 Timothy 1:9-11)
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns
gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They
serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of
eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and gives
you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2
Thess. 1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone
gets the glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
Rod
> On Aug 9, 9:38 am, Rod <rodeast...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin, but sin
>> just the same.
>
> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any other sin, we
> should all know about the sins you commit regularly so we can discuss
> them in the same way you are obsessed with talking about
> homosexuality.
Facts are facts.
Rod
�� wrote:
>
<<kêllÿ>>
> Facts are facts.
Still running like the coward you are, I see.
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Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> <<k�ll�>> wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>> but sin just the same.
>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
> Facts are facts.
And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
*No* FACTS even EXIST that support the hateful,
specious, and socially-retarded agendas against the personal
liberties of millions of people that LOSERS like you espouse.
Thus, you are nothing but a joke.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
��� REMEMBER DR. TILLER!! ���
��� REJECT *ALL* of the RRR & LDS Cults' Hate-Agendas ���
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
� Netherlands (as of 2001)
� Belgium (2003)
� Massachusetts (2004)
� Canada (2005)
� Spain (2005)
� South Africa (2005)
� Norway (2008)
� Connecticut (2008)
� New York ** (2008)
...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
� Iowa (2009)
� Vermont (2009)
� Sweden (2009)
� New Hampshire (2009)
� Washington, D.C.** (2009)
� Maine (2009)
� New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
� Hungary: PENDING in 2009
� Albania: PENDING in 2009
� Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
� Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
fc86c2da-5006-4422...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com
If you want to dance, you are in the wrong newsgroup.
> JohnN
Rod
And you're still lying like the liar you are...
Rod
�� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>> but sin just the same.
>
>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
>>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
>>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
>>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
>
>> Facts are facts.
>
> And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
Regardless of your opinion, I'll still oppose gay marriage
at every opportunity and all the rhetoric and abuse that you
throw my way won't make any difference. Homosexuality is wrong
and it is an unacceptable behavior, and so is lying in support
of it as you have been doing.
I'll never support it or give into demands or your tantrums.
Now find your mommy you quack, and tell her to wipe your bum.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <h5qmft$3tv$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Subject: Re: God hates fags
Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Regardless of your opinion, I'll still oppose gay marriage
> at every opportunity and all the rhetoric and abuse that you
> throw my way won't make any difference. Homosexuality is wrong
> and it is an unacceptable behavior, and so is lying in support
> of it as you have been doing.
Correct.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>> but sin just the same.
>>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
>>>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
>>>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
>>>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
>>> Facts are facts.
>> And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
> Regardless of your opinion, ...
...and more importantly, ALL of the relevant FACTS...
> ...I'll still oppose gay marriage at every opportunity...
WONDERFUL!! I *love* watching bigots *publicly* shooting
themselves in the foot, head, and heart in the course of earning
�� OCR �� Points!!
Openly opposing totally-HARMLESS same-sex marriage is
one of the BEST ways to demonstrate ignorance, hatefulness,
and sociopathic bigotry. Society is QUICKLY learning how
utterly STUPID and socially-retarded it is to seek to DEPRIVE'
millions of people reasonable access to EQUAL rights for NO
good reason.
The more you post your ignorant hatefulness, the more you
will CONTRIBUTE to the hastening of the arrival of the day when
society REJECTS your asinine and specious agenda.
Your contributions in that manner are second ONLY in
value and potency to the FACTS that devastate your agendas.
So by all means, DO keep it up!! You and your ilk are some
of the BEST weapons on OUR side of the public debate!
> Homosexuality is wrong...
Nope. It is just as NORMAL for the gays as heterosexuality
is for we who are straights. ALL of the sexual orientations are
merely variations of NORMALCY. Just like the variations of
handedness, eye color, and race that everyone is born with.
www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Orientation-at-Birth.html
> ....and it is an unacceptable behavior...
THANKS for reminding us that most of you bigoted losers
are IGNORANT enough, BUSYBODYISH enough, IRRATIONAL
enough, and IMMATURE enough to actually give a flying rat's
ass about how OTHER people than themselves happen to have
sex in private, or with whom.
You just elevated your laughingstock status, AND earned
*four* �� OCR �� Points in just 6 words!
> ... and so is lying in support of it as you have been doing.
You just earned another Point for that BLATANT lie.
I never lie in my posts -- and the FACTS that I present (and
in which you so stupidly and publicly live in denial) are DEVAS-
TATING to your hate agenda against gays.
> I'll never support it .
GOOD!! I'm COUNTING on that!!
EARN those �� OCR �� Points like mad! Every one of them
is another nail in the coffin lid of your loathsome and worth-
less agenda. And thus, a contribution to the ENHANCEMENT
of American society.
Keep up the good work!!!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
�� OCR �� = �� Operation Consciousness-Raising ��
Every time an outspoken bigot PUBLICLY advocates, espouses,
or promotes one or more hateful agendas that seek to deprive any
person or group of people of personal liberties for NO good reason,
that is a REMINDER to society of the bigot's abject ignorance and
willingness to act sociopathically. Such DISPLAYS of support for hate-
foul agendas and clarifications of inability to recognize the specious-
ness of same, is the *second*-best weapon that will ultimately
result in the demise and extinction of those agendas. Second only
to the FACTS that expose their worthlessness to society, and to
the fact that NO facts even EXIST that support such hatefulness.
Any egalitarian can feel free to award �� OCR �� Points to bigots
in ANY setting (not just in Usenet). They are invited to include this
explanation of them whenever they do so. Examples of things that
bigots can publicly do that earn them the Points are:
-- Lying
-- Displaying dishonesty to promote hate
-- Denying obvious facts that support human rights
-- Propagandizing for hate
-- Denigrating any person or group hatefully
-- Displaying ignorance of facts in the in the course
of supporting hatefulness and bigotry
All people are free to BELIEVE whatever they wish. That is harm-
less, and thankfully, there's no such thing as Thought Police. But
when a person VOICES advocacy for the destruction of one or more
personal liberties, or one or more human or civil rights -- he inadvert-
ently contributes to HASTENING the inevitable extinction of those
agendas by raising society's consciousness to the fact that support-
ing such loathsome agendas is something that only LOW-LIFES would
engage in.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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Rod Eastman -- Earning �� OCR �� Points like crazy!!
(GOOD for you, Rod!)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:45:35 -0500,
Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> <<k�ll�>> wrote:
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>> but sin just the same.
>>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
>>>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
>>>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
>>>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
>>> Facts are facts.
>> And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
> Regardless of your opinion, ...
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed?
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>> but sin just the same.
>>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
>>>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
>>>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
>>>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
>>> Facts are facts.
>> And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
> Regardless of your opinion, ...
anonymous
>
> JohnN <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:95d25937-1860-41b2-b599-
> 550704...@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Aug 7, 11:51 am, asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
> >> It's written in scripture.
> >
> > And yet your god has done nothing about homosexuals. Why is that?
>
> He dumped aids on them, and yet they still haven't learned their lesson.
> See how stupid they are?
AIDS grew slowly and was unable to be diagnosed or tested initially.
Later it was determined it was transmitted through sex and and bodily
fluids. AIDS is a global problem but in North America had an initial
stronghold in the gay community. Through education, diagnosis and
treatment homosexuals and other citizens are able to work and live with
disease until a cure is found.
AIDS is other parts of the world where medications are too expensive
people are dying daily and transmitting the disease daily to wives, new
borns, and sex partners.
In the 1920s women who married a guy had a tough time divorcing him
under the laws at that time. The rights of abortion, divorce, and the
right of women to remove 50 percent of the assets of the marriage
including the pensions of the marriage changed the world for women.
But still the divorce rate for heteroseual marriage is around 45
percent. So what is wrong with heterosexuals that they can't stay
married?
anonymous
> **************************************************************
> I never said a word about my homosexuality in these groups
> until you thought you had the right to "expose" me.
> **************************************************************
>
> Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
> They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
> tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
> them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
> him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
> (Genesis 19:4-7)
>
> "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
> detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
>
> If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
> of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
> put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
> (Leviticus 20:13)
>
> While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
> the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
> shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
> who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
> of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
> don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
> disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
>
> They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
Every citizen in almost every city of the world has the right to life by
the Bible. But the rest of society has the right in most countries to
life a life that does not involve reading the Bible or living the as the
Bible states.
Homosexuals are the most hated people on the planet but that is
something they can't do anything about. It is unclear whether
homosexuals are born that way or heterosexuals create an environment
when raising children where there is an imbalance and isolation of a
particular offspring of the marriage that produces a homosexual child.
What is clear is that homosexuals live and awesome life once they remove
themselves from those in society that hate them. But usually people who
hate other people have lots of problems themselves with their spouse and
other people in society so it is all connected.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
4A8162A9...@anonymous.com
> Randy � wrote:
>> **************************************************************
>> I never said a word about my homosexuality in these groups
>> until you thought you had the right to "expose" me.
>> **************************************************************
>>
>> Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
>> They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
>> tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
>> them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
>> him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
>> (Genesis 19:4-7)
>>
>> "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
>> detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
>>
>> If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
>> of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
>> put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
>> (Leviticus 20:13)
>>
>> While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
>> the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
>> shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
>> who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
>> of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
>> don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
>> disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
>>
>> They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
Correct, but where do you think you are posting right now?
Go where you can do that. This here is a group where the Bible *is*
read.
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Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <7ed6vpF...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Every citizen in almost every city of the world has the right to life
>> by the Bible. But the rest of society has the right in most
>> countries to life a life that does not involve reading the Bible or
>> living the as the Bible states.
>
>Correct, but where do you think you are posting right now?
>
>Go where you can do that. This here is a group where the Bible *is*
>read.
Exactly. <chuckle>.
Walk into a christian news group, and start preaching about
how people have a right to not hear the Bible being preached?
BUWAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
juanjo
snip of mistranslated Biblical quotations. Unless you actually read
and understand the original languages in which these various
quotations were written, discussing them with you would be a waste of
time.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
That was the best joke of the week...
<<kêllÿ>>
Correct. He denies that the original languages and the original
intent of those passages mean what they say. Rather, he prefers the
incorrect, modern interpretations (from faulty translations) in order
to feed his fears and prejudices.
But then again, pretty much anything you try to show Randy from the
Word is an exercise in futility because he feels he already has all of
the answers. IOW - he believes that, as a Christian, he has
"arrived". Problem with that kind of thinking is that none of us have
"arrived" until we're called home to be with the Lord.
No doubt in response to this he will call me a liar - but it matters
not. I don't even see his posts anymore (unless I read them through
someone else's response like yours, here) since I killfiled him a week-
or-so ago due to his continued dishonesty. <shrug>
Rod
�� wrote:
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>>> but sin just the same.
Flushed the remainder of Craig's alarmist propaganda...nothing
noteworthy in it, simply his opinions.
Rod
> On Aug 7, 11:51 am, asdfasdf <a...@df.as> wrote:
>> It's written in scripture.
>
> And yet your god has done nothing about homosexuals.
Hmmmmm.....what makes you think HE has done nothing about
them, eh ? Is it the fact that HE doesn't consult with people
beforehand, or the fact that you don't know what to search for
because you lack knowledge of HIS ways ?
Believe this: you won't see it coming....
Why is that?
Yea, good question. Why is it that you won't see it coming ?
>
> JohnN
Strooth
from John Shelby Spong "The Sins of Scripture - Exposing the Bible's
texts
of hate to reveal the God of love" (HarperCollins:2005)
My comments in *[...] ... and my emphasis...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Terrible Texts .... Genesis 19:4-5 ... Leviticus 18:22 ....
Leviticus
20:13 ... Romans 1:22-27 ... pp. 111-112 *[The first thing that
should be
noted is that Jesus says NOTHING about homosexuality. It is not
mentioned
once in the gospels.]
HOLINESS CODE FROM THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS
Leviticus was composed during the babylonian Exile in the latter years
of
the sixth century BCE, primarily by a group of Jewish religious
leaders who
came to be known as "the priestly writers". p.121
... the injunction in Leviticus that warns, "You shall not round off
the
hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard" (19:27). I do
not
believe that much heed is paid today to the Leviticus prohibition
against
letting "your animals breed with another kind." (19:19, NRSV)
Scientists
have done amazing things to improve the herds of livestock. p. 124
It is interesting that Leviticus says nothing about LESBIAN
relationships.
p.124
... for homosexual people their only "sin" seems to be that they werte
born
with a sexual orientation different from that of the majority. Yet
now we
know that orientation to be perfectly normal. It is like other
minority
positions within the human family: left-handedness, red hair. *[There
was a
time when left handedness was considered evil.] p. 125
The entrenched FEAR is that is something the Bible calls an
abomination
becomes acceptable, then that which makes religious people different
will
disappear and the defining "Word of God" in the Bible will collapse,
leaving
believers unsure aout who they are. The battle rages and ultimately
the
Bible quoters will lose. When they do, their religion will either
change or
it will die. Overwhelming scientific and medical knowledge exists
today
pointing to an inescapable conclusion. Sexual orientation is not a
moral
choice. It is something to which people awaken. It is therefore not
morally culpable. The texts in Leviticus 18 and 20 are simply wrong.
They
are morally incompetent because thety are based on ignorance. They
shou;d be
viewed, as should so much else in Leviticus and the rest of the Torah,
as
stages in human development that we have outghrown, that we have been
educated beyond and have therefore abandoned. pp.125-126
THE STORY OF SODOM
.. the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are very sinful. The lord has
decided
to check out this report by sending his own emissaries to tyhese
places to
seek verification. This is not the picture of an all-knowing deity;
God
needs a firsthand, eyewitness account. p. 129
... these two daughters, both of whom appear to be betrothed to young
men
who are part of the mob, are to be gang-raped for the evening's
entertainment. that is exactly what happens in a similar story told
in the
book of Judges that follows the sodom story very closely (see Judges
19).
There is no indication in this biblical narrative that Lot's daughters
are
consulted about this offer .... This man who has offered his virgin
daughters for gang rape is nonetheless judged by God to be righteous
and
worthy of deliverance! pp.130-131
This ancient biblical narrative features a view of God so primitive
that
this God does not know what is going on in the world and has to send
divine
emissaries to bring back firsthand information. ... This biblical
narrative
is one in which a father, in order to protect the Middle-Eastern code
of
hospitality, can offer his virgin daughters to be gang-raped and still
be
regarded by both God and the author of this story as righteous and
deserving
of divine protection. ... How is all that possible unless prejudice
overwhelms rationality and moral judgement? p.132
The Bible supports the prejudice of homophobia only by having its
message
twisted with a strange literalization, coupled with the ability to
read
ancient tribal history and practice as if it could be made holy by
calling
it the "Word of God". p.133
THE HOMOPHOBIA OF PAUL
Paul is asserting that homosexuality is tyhe punishment given by God
to
those who fail to worship God properly! ... a PUNISHMENT FOR THE SIN
OF NOT
ATTENDING TO THE DETAILS OF PROPER WORSHIP. in other words, Paul is
saying
GOD INFECTS PEOPLE WITH HOMOSEXUAL DESIRE if they engage in improper
worship
or use improper images of God. ... If God could or would do that,
would God
be worthy of anyone's worship? Would God not be an ogre, a demon or
something worse? p. 136
In 1 Corinthians 5:10 and 6:9 Paul uses the word malekos, which means
"soft"
or "lacking in self control," and the word arsenokoitis, which means a
"male
lying" and is frequently used to refer to male prostitutes. p.141
from John Shelby Spong "The Sins of Scripture - Exposing the Bible's
texts
of hate to reveal the God of love" (HarperCollins:2005)
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Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
Subject: Re: God hates fags
>Correct. He denies that the original languages and the original
>intent of those passages mean what they say.
You are such a liar. You're the one who looked right at
multiple passages of Scripture stating homosexuality is an
abomination, perversion, and detestable, and who then tried to
feign that if one simply consulted the language sources, they
would see the words are not referring to homosexuality, as if
we were idiots, and wouldn't know the difference.
Then, every single commentary and language source I could
find, as well as various Bible translations, all agree it's
talking about homosexuality. You then tried to claim we
"cherry picked" those commentaries and language sources, and
have been promoting that lie ever since, when it is obviously
_you_ who would have to search high and low to cherry pick a
commentary that doesn't agree with our interpretation.
You thus consistently prove yourself to be a brazen liar and
false Accuser of the Brethren:
Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
the city of Sodom嚙箭oth young and old嚙編urrounded the house.
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
(Genesis 19:4-7)
"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
(Leviticus 20:13)
While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
and served created things rather than the Creator嚙緩ho is
forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to
shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual
relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also
abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with
lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other
men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their
error. (Romans 1:25-27)
(1 Corinthians 6:9) Do you not know that the wicked will not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the
sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male
prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but
for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy
and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers,
for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing
homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And
it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that
conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed
God, which he entrusted to me. (1 Timothy 1:9-11)
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns
gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They
serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of
eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)
On 7 Jan 2007 18:38:14 -0800,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
"3Wh嚙編嚙箴ver3" <onthe...@verizon.net> wrote:
**************************************************************
I never said a word about my homosexuality in these groups
until you thought you had the right to "expose" me.
**************************************************************
Mordecai
"Randy �" wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT),
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article
> <b522b516-1984-4ab8...@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Subject: Re: God hates fags
> <<k�ll�>> <rosiebelleatr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Correct. He denies that the original languages and the original
> >intent of those passages mean what they say.
>
> You are such a liar. You're the one who looked right at
> multiple passages of Scripture stating homosexuality is an
> abomination, perversion, and detestable, and who then tried to
> feign that if one simply consulted the language sources, they
> would see the words are not referring to homosexuality, as if
> we were idiots, and wouldn't know the difference.
>
> Then, every single commentary and language source I could
> find, as well as various Bible translations, all agree it's
> talking about homosexuality. You then tried to claim we
> "cherry picked" those commentaries and language sources, and
> have been promoting that lie ever since, when it is obviously
> _you_ who would have to search high and low to cherry pick a
> commentary that doesn't agree with our interpretation.
>
> You thus consistently prove yourself to be a brazen liar and
> false Accuser of the Brethren:
>
> Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
> the city of Sodom�both young and old�surrounded the house.
> They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
> tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
> them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
> him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
> (Genesis 19:4-7)
>
> "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
> detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
>
> If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
> of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
> put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
> (Leviticus 20:13)
>
> While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
> the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
> shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
> who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
> of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
> don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
> disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
>
> They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
> and served created things rather than the Creator�who is
> "3Wh�s�ever3" <onthe...@verizon.net> wrote:
> **************************************************************
> I never said a word about my homosexuality in these groups
> until you thought you had the right to "expose" me.
> **************************************************************
>
> --
> Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
> from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
> gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
> not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
> 1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
> glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Tell me - oh heretical randy ... all about ... adultery.
Come randy - adultery is included in the sins you mentioned.
And JC speaks of divorce ..
And Paul speaks further about it ...
Do you go araound accusing women who divorce and remarry - thus commiting
adultery - and obviously not repenting as they continue in adultery - as
not geting into heaven?
And stalking them lest others think they might be deceived?
Do you forbid christians to talk to these women - and accuse them because
of this adultery - like you do those who speak to kelly?
Why do you look at one sin ... and refuse to judge another - on the very NT
verse you use to go after kelly?
Come Randy - explain.
You have publicly made a stand - and you have publicly made a campaign fr
righteousness ... GREAT. Now apply it to adulterers.
For every homosexual - there are a thousand adulterers. More, the
adulterers are open - outspoken - and have power and authority - not
ostrasized and discriminated against.
Surely that is a worthy task - not yelling at the few but resolving the BIG
problem?
Come, heretical Randy, explain.
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> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>> but sin just the same.
>>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
anonymous
> >>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
> >>>> but sin just the same.
> >
> >>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
> >>> other sin, we should all know about the sins you commit
> >>> regularly so we can discuss them in the same way you
> >>> are obsessed with talking about homosexuality.
> >
> >> Facts are facts.
> >
> > And YOU wouldn't know one if you tripped over it.
>
> Regardless of your opinion, I'll still oppose gay marriage
> at every opportunity and all the rhetoric and abuse that you
> throw my way won't make any difference. Homosexuality is wrong
> and it is an unacceptable behavior, and so is lying in support
> of it as you have been doing.
And that is total fine with most homosexuals. As long as you don't want
harm to come to people who are homosexual or other minorities, that is
cool.
anonymous
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:45:35 -0500,
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article <h5qmft$3tv$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Subject: Re: God hates fags
> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Regardless of your opinion, I'll still oppose gay marriage
> > at every opportunity and all the rhetoric and abuse that you
> > throw my way won't make any difference. Homosexuality is wrong
> > and it is an unacceptable behavior, and so is lying in support
> > of it as you have been doing.
>
> Correct.
>
> --
> Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
> from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
> gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
> not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
> 1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
> glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
> ______________________________________________
Thanks, Randy, but one has to be religous to be included. I suppose one
doesn't have to pray or go to church or give money to the church. You
can believe in God and be a good Christian from your livingroom without
ever attending church or reading the Bible, just living the good life
that Christians do.
But those people in society who don't believe in religion, are excluded
from your beliefs. These people have a totally different belief system
and may life a totally different life.
anonymous
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT),
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article
> <b522b516-1984-4ab8...@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Subject: Re: God hates fags
>
> >Correct. He denies that the original languages and the original
> >intent of those passages mean what they say.
>
> You are such a liar. You're the one who looked right at
> multiple passages of Scripture stating homosexuality is an
> abomination, perversion, and detestable, and who then tried to
> feign that if one simply consulted the language sources, they
> would see the words are not referring to homosexuality, as if
> we were idiots, and wouldn't know the difference.
>
> Then, every single commentary and language source I could
> find, as well as various Bible translations, all agree it's
> talking about homosexuality. You then tried to claim we
> "cherry picked" those commentaries and language sources, and
> have been promoting that lie ever since, when it is obviously
> _you_ who would have to search high and low to cherry pick a
> commentary that doesn't agree with our interpretation.
>
problem for anyone as long as you don't think that others have to
believe it, too, or to live by your religious beliefs. Your religious
beliefs are yours and yours privately. They have nothing to do with
other people except those who believe what you do.
> You thus consistently prove yourself to be a brazen liar and
> false Accuser of the Brethren:
>
> Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of
> the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.
> They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you
> tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with
> them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind
> him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
> (Genesis 19:4-7)
>
> "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is
> detestable. (Leviticus 18:22)
>
> If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
> of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be
> put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
> (Leviticus 20:13)
>
> While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of
> the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they
> shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man
> who came to your house so we can have sex with him." The owner
> of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends,
> don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this
> disgraceful thing. (Judges 19:22-23)
>
> They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped
> and served created things rather than the Creator—who is
Rod
�� wrote:
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>>> but sin just the same.
>
Flushed the remainder of Craig's propaganda as untrue and unreliable.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> �� wrote:
>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rod <rodea...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin,
>>>>> but sin just the same.
>>>> Fine - if you feel homosexuality is no worse than any
<<kêllÿ>>
spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
> "Randy ®" wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT),
> > In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> > Article
> > Subject: Re: God hates fags
> > Subject: Re: RANDY "PULPITFIRE" YOUNG...WHY DID YOU SAY
> > THAT???
> > wrote:
> > **************************************************************
> > I am a lesbian
> > **************************************************************
>
> > On 21 Jul 2006 11:18:48 -0700,
> > in article
> > "Whosoever" <ontheska...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > **************************************************************
> > No, the Bible does not forbid same-sex relations in a
> > committed, loving, monogamous relationship. It speaks of
> > homosexual-style rape in Genesis (but that isn't why Sodom was
> > destroyed), it speaks of anal-penetration in Leviticus (which
> > is something plenty of heterosexuals partake in), and it
> > speaks of same-sex temple prostitution in the New Testament.
> > None of these have anything to do with committed, loving,
> > monogamous homosexuality.
> > **************************************************************
>
> > On 29 Jul 2006 23:25:00 -0700,
> > in article
Interesting, Mordecai. Especially since one of Randy's biggest
proponents - and one of the main people he defends regardless of her
behavior - Vera, has been married and divorced twice and has attempted
to seduce more than one married man in Usenet over the years.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) �� WHY be Unemployed? <www.LayoffRemedy.com> ��
"CENSORED" <trol...@deleted.edu> wrote:
...NOTHING worthwhile. And his COWARDICE
is fully noted.
[[[ READERS: With all the ludicrous "attacks" on
me and forgeries that have been going on, I'm
obviously getting the goat, big-time, of one or
more of the losers in here who are profoundly
IGNORANT enough to be bigots!
That's GREAT!! Because if I'm getting under
their skin to that degree, my exposing the
vacuousness of their loony hate-agendas
with the FACTS that they can't even BEGIN
to refute, they keep right on making even
bigger FOOLS of themselves.
And in the course of doing THAT, they're
earning lots and lots of �� OCR �� Points!
(�� Operation Consciousness-Raising ��)
And each one of THOSE represents their
having provided a REMINDER to society of
the sociopathic and irrational nature of their
hate-agendas against people who never
deserved such discrimination. Thus helping
to HASTEN the arrival of the day when
society REJECTS those hateful agendas,
and flushes them down the Drain of
Extinction -- never to be heard from again.
SO -- Keep up the good work, Losers!! ]]]
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <4A82102D...@internode.on.net>,
wrote:
>
>
Liar. You're the heretic whose lies won't work and who
therefore has to rail against our New Testaments.
>... all about ... adultery.
>Come randy - adultery is included in the sins you mentioned.
>And JC speaks of divorce ..
>And Paul speaks further about it ...
>
>Do you go araound accusing women who divorce and remarry - thus commiting
>adultery - and obviously not repenting as they continue in adultery - as
>not geting into heaven?
>And stalking them lest others think they might be deceived?
>
>Do you forbid christians to talk to these women - and accuse them because
>of this adultery - like you do those who speak to kelly?
>
>Why do you look at one sin ... and refuse to judge another - on the very NT
>verse you use to go after kelly?
>Come Randy - explain.
Who is trying to justify adultery, or claiming God is ok with
it. Not me. Kelly looks right at the Bible condemning
homosexuality, then lies and says it isn't talking about
homosexuality, trying to justify it.
>You have publicly made a stand - and you have publicly made a campaign fr
>righteousness ... GREAT. Now apply it to adulterers.
>For every homosexual - there are a thousand adulterers. More, the
>adulterers are open - outspoken - and have power and authority - not
>ostrasized and discriminated against.
Show me the person who is trying to justify adultery, idiot.
>Surely that is a worthy task - not yelling at the few but resolving the BIG
>problem?
>
>Come, heretical Randy, explain.
Go relish yourself somewhere else, moron. Your questions are
idiotic, since we're not trying to justify adultery.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
Subject: Re: God hates fags
>On Aug 11, 5:43�pm, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
>spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> "Randy �" wrote:
>> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT),
>> > � In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
>> > � Article
>> > <b522b516-1984-4ab8-a5bc-76db912fc...@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Subject: Re: God hates fags
You're a completely liar and idiot. We aren't trying to
justify adultery. You are trying to justify homosexuality.
Sick off liar.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <4A8216D2...@anonymous.com>,
>Well, Randy, you are entitled to believe what you wish and that is not a
>problem for anyone as long as you don't think that others have to
>believe it, too, or to live by your religious beliefs. Your religious
>beliefs are yours and yours privately. They have nothing to do with
>other people except those who believe what you do.
Trying to pass off what you cannot refute the Bible as saying,
as being "my beliefs", doesn't change the fact it's what God's
word says, and that you can't refute it.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <4A82134E...@anonymous.com>,
Truth is not "relative". God said homosexuality is an
abomination, and God is the one who made everyone and
everything. Therefore, homosexuality is an abomination, and
if one tries to justify it instead of accept Christ's
atonement for it, they will not inherit the kingdom of God (1
Cor. 6).
--
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Mordecai
<> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 5:43 pm, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
> spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
> > "Randy �" wrote:
> > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT),
> > > In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> > > Article
> > > <b522b516-1984-4ab8-a5bc-76db912fc...@y10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Subject: Re: God hates fags
I am afraid that for some reason - I will not do or say anything negative about
Vera. Don't ask me why.
The issue is restricted to Randy.
Randy has anounced his motivation to explain his deeds.
The motivation - if true - would cause him to act in a certain way.
He does not act in that way.
Therefore his motication is not what he claims.
And thus - I expose his sin. To him.
He has lied to himself and others as to why he acts like he does.
Randy puts others on trial.
But - it seems - he is on trial himself.
And the weight of all those words he spoke in judgement of others is a burden
around his neck.
PS - how long have I been on this NG?
Things seem to have changed a bit in that short space of time.
<<kêllÿ>>
spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
> I am afraid that for some reason - I will not do or say anything negative about
> Vera. Don't ask me why.
Oh, I won't - because the answer is obvious, actually. Anyway, my
comments about her to you were a test. Don't ask me if you passed or
failed.
Mordecai
<> wrote:
I am glad you understand.
I do not - but then that is par for the course. Nobody understands themselves ... and
everyone around them says "but it is obvious" which, of course, it is.
Dr. House
spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
> <> wrote:
> > On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, Mordecai <"mldavis(please dont
> > spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> > > I am afraid that for some reason - I will not do or say anything negative about
> > > Vera. Don't ask me why.
>
> > Oh, I won't - because the answer is obvious, actually. Anyway, my
> > comments about her to you were a test. Don't ask me if you passed or
> > failed.
>
> I am glad you understand.
> I do not - but then that is par for the course. Nobody understands themselves ... and
> everyone around them says "but it is obvious" which, of course, it is.
When people claim "but it is obvious" sometimes it is. Often it is
not. I can think of a good reason to follow your example. But it
would require a great deal of information to determine your reason(s)
for doing so, especially if you are either not sure or not willing to
say. If I had a buck for every time someone said "it's obvious" when
they are really jumping to conclusions . . .
Mordecai
"Randy �" wrote:
Oh come off it Randy ...
You were the one who claimed that the law was nailed to the tree - and had no
verse to support it.
I pointed out to you that Paul claimed HE was nailed to the tree and died - so
that the law ceased to have power over him at his death with JC.
And that in his resurrection - that - he was made spiritual so that the law
actually was in harmony with his spiritual nature.
And how the curse of the law which did not terminate at death was set aside
because JC was resurrected - so even the curses were set aside in the
resurrection.
Thus I taught you HOW to apply the cross as Paul also taught. That is to take
upon yourself the death - and the resurrection of JC in your life.
And I am a jew, not a christian.
Think what sort of public ass you have made yourself into - when in knowing a
practical way of applying the death and resurrection of JC to your life so as to
live correctly - that you attack the one giving you this ability to walk in the
power of the NT with "you are an heretic?"
No examples - just the flat out slander.
It seems G_d listened - and agreed. As you spoke - so it has become. Heresy is
attached ... oh except it is to your name and not mine.
You - who refused to preach the better way?
You who stated salvation as an event and not a change of status?
You who refuses to live as a betrothed virgin waiting for her espoused husband?
You who taught that JC was wrong when he pronounced the characteristics of those
who were of the kingdom of heaven - based upon the equally false claim that the
law died on the cross when Paul died on the cross.
You - with all this so publicly available - wish to call me an heretic?
>
>
> >... all about ... adultery.
> >Come randy - adultery is included in the sins you mentioned.
> >And JC speaks of divorce ..
> >And Paul speaks further about it ...
> >
> >Do you go araound accusing women who divorce and remarry - thus commiting
> >adultery - and obviously not repenting as they continue in adultery - as
> >not geting into heaven?
> >And stalking them lest others think they might be deceived?
> >
> >Do you forbid christians to talk to these women - and accuse them because
> >of this adultery - like you do those who speak to kelly?
> >
> >Why do you look at one sin ... and refuse to judge another - on the very NT
> >verse you use to go after kelly?
> >Come Randy - explain.
>
> Who is trying to justify adultery, or claiming God is ok with
> it. Not me. Kelly looks right at the Bible condemning
> homosexuality, then lies and says it isn't talking about
> homosexuality, trying to justify it.
Randy - I suggest you are rather careful.
Your power to garner respect and honour to yourself has already fallen.
And now - you think you are on a winner and that you have "homosexuality by the
balls."
Alas - you do not. You are again preaching heresy ... but that is besides the
point.
You might get a second name to go with the first.
You do not want BOTH "heretical" and "bigot" added to your name.
But you, not G_d seem to be determined to do so.
>
>
> >You have publicly made a stand - and you have publicly made a campaign fr
> >righteousness ... GREAT. Now apply it to adulterers.
> >For every homosexual - there are a thousand adulterers. More, the
> >adulterers are open - outspoken - and have power and authority - not
> >ostrasized and discriminated against.
>
> Show me the person who is trying to justify adultery, idiot.
The question is bigotry.
>
>
> >Surely that is a worthy task - not yelling at the few but resolving the BIG
> >problem?
> >
> >Come, heretical Randy, explain.
>
> Go relish yourself somewhere else, moron. Your questions are
> idiotic, since we're not trying to justify adultery.
I see - you are not going to explain.
Mordecai
"Dr. House" wrote:
I appreciate the "it is obvious" comment.
Still, I listen well to others as they can see things about myself which I cannot
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Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
> God said homosexuality...
BZZZZzzzttt!!
GOD said NOTHING against homosexuality.
-- There is NO mention of it in the Ten Commandments.
-- Jesus (who IS God) never even MENTIONED it.
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