USA's History of Torture & Human Right Violations
Free Speech
The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners
has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the
revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
American atrocities started when the nation was first formed with the
genocide against Native Americans and torture has been an integral but
mostly secret part of US policy since the second world war. After the war
the US protected the worst Nazis so that it could learn from them and adopt
their torture techniques.
After the CIA was officially formed it made torture part of its policy and
exported its use around the world. In 1953 the CIA started Operation
Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam. Around the
same time the US overthrew Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in
power. The CIA created, trained and managed Iran's dreaded SAVAK secret
police which tortured and murdered countless people. After the country of
Chile dared to embrace democracy and elect a President not chosen by the US,
the US was quick to install the brutal dictator Pinochet who tortured and
murdered tens of thousands. CIA controlled death squads in Central America
brutally tortured and murdered over 200,000 people during the 80's. Millions
of others have been killed around the world as a direct result of US policy.
Torture was widely taught in the US School of the Americas to people who
came to be known as some of the world's most monstrous violators of human
rights. Amnesty International cites the United States as the largest
international supplier of electro-shock weapons to governments that practice
electro-shock torture. $3 million worth of electro-shock devices were sold
to Saudi Arabia in 1990.
However, it is not only the CIA & military that has been guilty of
conducting torture. The Chicago police department used brutal torture
techniques against non-white prisoners up until the mid 80's. Throughout the
US prison system, torture and rape are routine. In fact, the situation has
been so bad that in 2000 the UN delivered a severe public rebuke to the
United States for its record on preventing torture and degrading punishment.
Amnesty International has repeatedly denounced U.S. police forces for "a
pattern of unchecked excessive force amounting to torture."
The so-called 'War on Terror' is being used to create a culture of
brutality from the highest level. Mass media has suggested that torture is
necessary to protect American lives. The January 2001 cover of The Atlantic
Monthly asked in large print, "MUST WE TORTURE?" Terrorism analyst Bruce
Hoffman from Rand Corporation suggested that torture is necessary to protect
American interests. It has been suggested by many Americans that torture be
legalized.
The reality is that torture is not a good method of extracting
information. Information obtained under torture is not reliable and a person
who is tortured will make up whatever information is wanted just to stop the
torture. A skilled interrogator can get the information they need without
torture. Even the CIA's own "Human Resource Exploitation Training
Manual--1983:" says:
"Intense pain is quite likely to produce false confessions, fabricated to
avoid additional punishment. This results in a time-consuming delay while an
investigation is conducted and the admissions are proven untrue. During this
respite, the subject can pull himself together and may even use the time to
devise a more complex confession that takes still longer to disprove."
The advanced intelligence gathering technique of remote viewing can obtain
information from a distance. This technique was used extensively to identify
bombing targets in the first attack of Iraq and to probe the plans and
intentions of Saddam Hussein in a daily basis. Non-harmful mind control
techniques can also be used to extract information. From a technical aspect,
torture is simply not necessary.
The brutality against the Iraqis isn't even about extracting information,
it is merely brutality for its own sake. The question is why does the US
government allow and promote torture?
Making Enemies
Most people are peaceful and more concerned with their own well-being than
with invading another country. Lacking any real enemies, American foreign
policy has intentionally created enemies and conflict to support the defense
industry and further the goals of the ruling elite for the last 50 years.
Vietnam - The Vietnamese war was a good example of how the US creates
enemies to further its own agenda. During WWII , Ho Chi Minh lead the
resistant on behalf of the Allied Powers against the Japanese under an
agreement that Vietnam be given its freedom from French domination after the
war ended. Ho Chi Minh kept his side of the bargain and on August 17, 1945
he broadcast:
"We were fighting Japs on the side of the United Nations. Now Japs
Surrendered. We beg the United Nations to realize their solemn promise that
all nationalities be given democracy and independence. If United Nations
forget their solemn promise and don't give Indochina full independence, we
will keep fighting until we get it."
On September 2, 1945 a band marched through Hanoi playing the Star
Spangled Banner. Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnamese Independence and began his
speech with "All men are created equal." Yet, the dream of Vietnamese
democracy was not to be. The country was divided and South Vietnam was given
back to the French. The US betrayed the Vietnamese and supported French
oppression. The US even offered the French atomic weapons to use against the
Vietnamese, which the French fortunately declined. It was only after the
betrayal by the US that Ho Chi Minh turned to Russia for the help needed to
defeat the French and truly became 'communist'. The US had effectively
turned an ally into an enemy and destroyed democracy in 'Indo China'.
By 1954 the US was paying for 78% of the French war against the
Vietnamese. After the French were defeated in May 1954 at Dien Bien Phu, the
Geneva Accords temporarily divided Vietnam in half at the 17th parallel,
with Ho Chi Minh's Vietminh ceded the North, and French puppet Bao Dai's
regime granted the South. The accords also provided for elections to be held
in all of Vietnam within two years to reunify the country. The US opposed
the unifying elections, fearing a likely victory by Ho Chi Minh, and refused
to sign the Geneva accords - further denying the Vietnamese the possibility
of democracy.
As the French left, the US stepped in to control the South. The CIA's
Phoenix Operation began almost immediately after the US takeover in 1954.
Under US management the South Vietnamese secret police dished out live
burnings, garroting, rape, torture, sabotage - much of which was blamed on
the Vietcong. Over 50,000 civilians were tortured and murdered at the hands
of the CIA & military intelligence. In all, over a million Vietnamese were
killed by US forces. The land mines, unexploded ordinance and death from
chemical contamination have killed and crippled countless more. Richard
Nixon admitted in his final days that he had escalated the war against
Vietnam merely for the defense industry to sell more weapons.
It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong
officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War.
We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those
days was 'to be as rich and as wise as an American'. What happened?"
Iraq - US involvement in Iraq goes back several decades and parallels
British domination of the country early in the century. In 1958 the CIA
hired Saddam Hussein to assassinate the President of Iraq - Abdel Karim
Qassim. It wasn't until 1963 that Hussein and the US were successful in
overthrowing the Iraqi government. In the process 5,000 were killed.
Immediately after the coup Saddam rounded up and murdered another 800 people
on a list prepared by the CIA of potentianl opponents. However, the new
Ba'athist regime had little popular support and was replaced by rival army
officers 9 months later. With more CIA help Saddam regained control and was
kept in power until the US invaded Iraq in 2003.
In his book "October Surprise", Gary Sick details how Bush-Reagan used
arms and cash to bribe the Iranians to keep the American hostages until
after the election to prevent Jimmy Carter from being re-elected 1980. The
Iranians kept their part of the deal and the hostage's release was announced
the day Reagan was sworn into office. The US continued to clandestinely
supply Iran with weapons to help pay for its illegal war against democracy
in Nicaragua in what came to be known as Iran-Contra. At the same time it
supplied Iraq with its chemical and biological weapons to use against Iran.
In 1986 Reagan sent Saddam a secret message telling him that he should step
us his bombing of Iran. Iran is suing the US & Germany for supplying Iraq
with the illegal
chemical and bio weapons used against them in the CIA directed war of
1980-1988.
Up until Iraq's US approved invasion of Kuwait, the US Department of
Defense training manuals sang the praises of Saddam Hussein, noting how he
had vastly improved education, medical care, and the standard of living of
his people. His regime was called one of the most enlightened, progressive
governments in the region.
As Iraq massed it troops on the Kuwaiti border in preparation for
invasion, the US watched on in complete silence. Ever loyal to US interests
and his CIA handlers, Saddam invaded Kuwait to support the administration of
George Bush and ensure support for long-term military bases in the Middle
East. After killing 500,000 Iraqis, the US then setup Saddam's opponents so
that Saddam could eliminate any active opposition to his brutal regime.
To further the suffering of the Iraqi people and set them up for future
events, the brutal and meaningless sanctions were imposed. At the
International Court On Crimes Against Humanity, US, British and UN officials
were charged with 'causing the deaths of more than 1,500,000 people
including 750,000 children under five, and injury to the entire population
of Iraq by genocidal sanctions.' While the Iraqis were suffering and dying
for no good reason, Saddam lived in unimaginable luxury.
The hatred of the Iraqi people towards the US, who put Saddam in power and
kept him in power for over 25 years is only being deepened by US actions.
There was never any intention of "winning Iraqi hearts and minds". The
'revelations' about the US torturing Iraqis is merely a way to fan the
flames of hatred against Americans.
"We have heard that a half million children have died," said "60 Minutes"
reporter Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq. "I mean,
that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And -- and you know, is the
price worth it?" Her guest, in May 1996, U.N. Ambassador Madeleine Albright,
responded: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think
the price is worth it."
Other countries - Throughout the world the US has overthrown democracies,
installed dictators, setup brutal secret police and death squads, and
created conflict where none existed. Anywhere true democracy might rear its
ugly head, the US is there to quickly chop it off and put one of its brutal
puppets in place. Wherever brutality and corruption exists the US is usually
somewhere behind the scenes manipulating events. In the process, the US has
caused unimaginable suffering and deprived the world of hope.
The negative impact of US foreign policy is so great that the path of
human evolution has been altered. The covert CIA coups and wars have
deprived entire continents of the opportunity to climb out of poverty and
eliminated generations of potential humane leaders. The environment is being
destroyed with projects approved by US puppet governments with money loaned
by the IMF and World Bank and then stolen by US Corporations, leaving the
impoverished public to pay off the debt. Global warming is very real and
causing billions in damage every year, yet the US continues to suppress
alternative energy and worship the dark god of oil.
The Great Lie
I was raised to believe that America is the "Land of the Free and Home of
the Brave". I was seriously misinformed. America truly is "the great satan".
American mass media continues to project an image of the US as the "bastion
of democracy" and "leader of the free world" - yet, few people other than
Americans believe it any more.
The Real Agenda
Just as past American atrocities have created wars and conflicts, the
current atrocities will result in more conflict, loss of life and
environmental destruction. The preparations for the war against 'terrorism'
have been going on for at least 20 years. In partnership with the Saudi
ruling family, the global ruling elite has radicalized Islam through mind
control facilities disguised as religious schools. In these schools they
create the 'terrorists' needed for an enemy. Without the CIA, Saudi
'schools' and Israeli abuse of Palestinians there simply wouldn't be a
threat from muslim 'terrorists'. If the US had not stolen democracy from so
many countries in the first place, muslim fundamentalism wouldn't have grown
to the level it is now.
This time there is no adversary capable of standing up the US. The
continued war will be one against freedom, democracy and life as the
American military empire and its minions expand control gradually over more
of the globe in the name of 'fighting terrorism' and the creation of a
global corporate police state.
Bill Phillips
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cLIeNUX user
>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>
Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
--
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>humb...@smart.net
>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>
>
>Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
He better or the US government will be facing a World War led by Russian,
Japan, China and India.
The USA is in no position to defend it's atrocities anymore.
911 completely exposed to the world what the Republican party, the CIA and
the US corporate fascist agenda is about -- making money by torture and
human rights violations.
cLIeNUX user
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:14:13 -0000, r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
>
>>humb...@smart.net
>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>>
>>
>>Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
>
>He better or the US government will be facing a World War led by Russian,
>Japan, China and India.
>
Well, there's that...
>The USA is in no position to defend it's atrocities anymore.
>
>911 completely exposed to the world what the Republican party, the CIA and
>the US corporate fascist agenda is about -- making money by torture and
>human rights violations.
>>
Who didn't know that? The same people that still don't. Americans.
Problem is, Russia etc. don't care that the CIA are America's drug
kingpins. Kerry is the scion of an opium empire. He's not going to end the
CIAs war on the US populace. I am.
--
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
write-in candidate, President of the United States of America
platform ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim/platform2
personal webpage http://linux01.gwdg.de/~rhohen
active in Usenet alt.politics colorg on IRC
humb...@smart.net Maryland, USA
Ground troops out of Iraq Put the CIA under INS Save Darfur
Semi-legalize drugs Prosecute Bush Tighten the borders
Isolate Israel Tax churches halve military aquisitions
government jobs for Iraq-wounded soldiers and 9-11 survivors
please email my platform to friends, blogs and countrymen
-------------------------------------------------------------
>>
Free Speech
>humb...@smart.net
>>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:14:13 -0000, r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
>>
>>>humb...@smart.net
>>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>>>
>>>
>>>Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
>>
>>He better or the US government will be facing a World War led by Russian,
>>Japan, China and India.
>>
>
>Well, there's that...
>
>>The USA is in no position to defend it's atrocities anymore.
>>
>>911 completely exposed to the world what the Republican party, the CIA and
>>the US corporate fascist agenda is about -- making money by torture and
>>human rights violations.
>>>
>
>Who didn't know that? The same people that still don't. Americans.
>
>Problem is, Russia etc. don't care that the CIA are America's drug
>kingpins. Kerry is the scion of an opium empire. He's not going to end the
>CIAs war on the US populace. I am.
I'm telling you all it would take is a bit of advanced genetics (trans
genetics) and every opium plant in the world dies.
That would end the CIA reign.
It's completely within science to do this and it can be done clandestinely.
Very simple.
cLIeNUX user
You're livin in your own private Idaho.
Sanders Kaufman
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> humb...@smart.net
>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>
>
> Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
Kerry has before, and he will again.
In fact, Kerry's the ONLY candidate who has had the courage to speak out
*against* Crimes Against Humanity.
His testimony helped to end US-backed terrorism against the innocent people
of Viet Nam.
Then, as a Senator, HE went back to Viet Nam to get the soldiers who were
left behind by the Republicans.
Bush and his War Ministers have often come out in *support* of Crimes
Against Humanity
"I wasn't all that AWARE of it [Viet Nam]" - GWB
cLIeNUX user
>"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
>news:10ns1ql...@corp.supernews.com...
>> humb...@smart.net
>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>>
>>
>> Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
>
>Kerry has before, and he will again.
>In fact, Kerry's the ONLY candidate who has had the courage to speak out
>*against* Crimes Against Humanity.
>His testimony helped to end US-backed terrorism against the innocent people
>of Viet Nam.
Late in the game.
>Then, as a Senator, HE went back to Viet Nam to get the soldiers who were
>left behind by the Republicans.
>
He got stuck with that because he wasn't doing anything else.
>Bush and his War Ministers have often come out in *support* of Crimes
>Against Humanity
>
>"I wasn't all that AWARE of it [Viet Nam]" - GWB
Kerry looks good versus Bush. So does Saddam Hussein.
That's called "have the system gamed".
Kerry hasn't made a peep about Darfur that I know of. No oil, no opium, no
coca, no CIA, no Skull and Bones.
Jesus or Ghandi Rev. Dr. King would invade Darfur. Kerry won't. He also
won't do anything to reduce pharmaceuticals profits legally or illegally,
et cetera ad nauseum.
Four more years in Iraq? Running as a Democrat? That's one arrogant aloof
son of a bitch.
Polish Prince (Not Bobby Vinton)
Some people have no problem
with this. To put it simply,
it is Your America. This guy
was second choice of Democrats.
If you have the fortitude, do a
google search. When you enter
the realm, explore John Kerry.
If You Dare! Once you explore
John Kerry, Tear me Apart.
Get Facts, and Tear me Apart.
Know John Kerry.
"Sanders Kaufman" <use...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman
"Polish Prince (Not Bobby Vinton)" <wawrz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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> Kerry is a Traitor against Veterans.
> Some people have no problem
> with this. To put it simply,
> it is Your America. This guy
My America. Get your Nazi ass out.
Sanders Kaufman
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> He better or the US government will be facing a World War led by Russian,
> Japan, China and India.
>
> The USA is in no position to defend it's atrocities anymore.
Good, lord!
Bush has now squandered our Moral Authority as a SuperPower!
There's a storm a-gathering and the cap'n's gone quite mad.
or as a famous group of Americans once said,
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not
be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience
hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are
sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they
are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such
Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -Such has
been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity
which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
I think Bill Clinton would make a fine Ben Franklin for the new millenium.
Sanders Kaufman
>>In fact, Kerry's the ONLY candidate who has had the courage to speak out
>>*against* Crimes Against Humanity.
>>His testimony helped to end US-backed terrorism against the innocent
>>people
>>of Viet Nam.
>
> Late in the game.
That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
alive.
In a related story, on Bush's orders soldiers whose enlistment obligations
are up have not been allowed to leave - alive.
HR
"Sanders Kaufman" , If you are afraid, Move to another place.
Puerto Rico would be a good hangout for you!
Elbow Baggins
> humb...@smart.net
> >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:22:20 -0000, r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
> >
> >>humb...@smart.net
> >>>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:14:13 -0000, r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>humb...@smart.net
> >>>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Fabulous post. Kerry won't change any of this.
> >>>
> >>>He better or the US government will be facing a World War led by Russian,
> >>>Japan, China and India.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Well, there's that...
> >>
> >>>The USA is in no position to defend it's atrocities anymore.
> >>>
> >>>911 completely exposed to the world what the Republican party, the CIA and
> >>>the US corporate fascist agenda is about -- making money by torture and
> >>>human rights violations.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>Who didn't know that? The same people that still don't. Americans.
> >>
> >>Problem is, Russia etc. don't care that the CIA are America's drug
> >>kingpins. Kerry is the scion of an opium empire. He's not going to end the
> >>CIAs war on the US populace. I am.
> >
> >I'm telling you all it would take is a bit of advanced genetics (trans
> >genetics) and every opium plant in the world dies.
> >
> >That would end the CIA reign.
> >
> >It's completely within science to do this and it can be done clandestinely.
> >
> >Very simple.
> >
>
> You're livin in your own private Idaho.
You're both very amusing.
Elbow Baggins
Yeah, Pravda doesn't have an axe to grind does hit? LOL
Ugly Bob
"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
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>
> The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners
> has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the
> revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
>
> American atrocities started when the nation was first formed with the
> genocide against Native Americans and torture has been an integral but
> mostly secret part of US policy since the second world war. After the war
> the US protected the worst Nazis so that it could learn from them and
> adopt
> their torture techniques.
>
> After the CIA was officially formed it made torture part of its policy
> and
> exported its use around the world. In 1953 the CIA started Operation
> Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam. Around
> the
Phoenix was started in '67 and it was a mirror of Vietcong operations
against the south. Fight fire with fire, I always say. Anyway, it was the
french that were fighting in Vietnam in 1953, not us.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/phoenix/carver-memo-7aug67.pdf
> same time the US overthrew Iran's democratic government and put the Shah
> in
> power.
Actually, this was a British SIS plan, in which the CIA was involved,
that _kept_ the Shah in power. The damn thing seems to have back-
fired, though, in my estimation. Here's a good article:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
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Free Speech
If that was the case, you wouldn't need to respond, would you?
Free Speech
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>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12722
<snip>
Also see:
Alien Abductions: Kidnappings by military/intelligence personnel
Most abductees report the involvement of military/intelligence personnel
after the helicopters began to appear. Debby Jordan reports, for instance,
in a side note of her book Abducted! [13] that she was stunned from an
alleged friend and brought to a kind of hospital where she was examined by a
medical doctor, who removed an implant from her ear! The abduction
experiences of Leah Haley and Katharina Wilson are full of MILAB encounters
[15, 16]. Some of Katharina Wilson's experiences are comparable with mind
control experiments. She experienced a flashback from her childhood where
she remembers to be in a hospital where she was forced into a Skinner
Box-like container which was possible used for behaviour modification
experiments. Therefore, Katharina Wilson published an excellent article on
her Web-page with the title: Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind
Control Experiments[19]? Beth Collins and Anna Jamerson included hypnosis
transcripts of an abduction by human military people in their book
Connections [17] and the late Dr. Karla Turner investigated MILABs in her
books Into the Fringe and Taken: Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda
[20].
Cont'd
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/lammer1.htm
Also see:
THE CONTROLLERS:
A New Hypothesis of Alien Abduction
Substantial evidence exists linking members of this country's intelligence
community (including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Advanced
Research Projects Agency, and the Office of Naval Intelligence) with the
esoteric technology of MIND CONTROL. For decades, "spy- chiatrists" working
behind the scenes -- on college campuses, in CIA-sponsored institutes, and
(most heinously) in prisons -- have experimented with the erasure of memory,
hypnotic resistance to torture, truth serums, post-hypnotic suggestion,
rapid induction of hypnosis, electronic stimulation of the brain,
non-ionizing radiation, microwave induction of intracerebral "voices," and a
host of even more disturbing technologies. Some of the projects exploring
these areas were ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD, PANDORA, MKDELTA, MKSEARCH and the
infamous MKULTRA.
I have read nearly every available book on these projects, as well as the
relevant congressional testimony[5]. I have also spent much time in
university libraries researching relevant articles, contacting other
researchers (who have graciously allowed me access to their files), and
conducting interviews. Moreover, I traveled to Washington, DC to review the
files John Marks compiled when he wrote THE SEARCH FOR "THE MANCHURIAN
CANDIDATE"[6]. These files include some 20,000 pages of CIA and Defense
Department documents, interviews, scientific articles, letters, etc. The
views presented here are the result of extensive and ongoing research.
Bookman
"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:41 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12722
>
> <snip>
>
> Also see:
>
>
> Alien Abductions: Kidnappings by military/intelligence personnel
If "Alien Abductions"[tanaa] are actually "Kidnappings by
military/intelligence personnel" (sic), then there are no aliens,
now are there?
Is the EMR from your computer still killing you, Alexa?
ESL!
--
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Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Keeper of the Nickname Lists
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order
"I'd love to kill you in a ring" - Bartmo gets all touchy-feely
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Free Speech
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>"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:41 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>>http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12722
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Also see:
>>
>>
>> Alien Abductions: Kidnappings by military/intelligence personnel
>
>If "Alien Abductions"[tanaa] are actually "Kidnappings by
>military/intelligence personnel" (sic), then there are no aliens,
>now are there?
There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
>Is the EMR from your computer still killing you,
It's killing you, boogieman.
>Alexa?
How did you like your first CIA Cameron Report?
You did a fine job, boogeyman!
Free Speech
wrote:
> then there are no aliens, now are there?
There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
cLIeNUX user
Bookman
"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:31 -0500, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
>>news:tbitn056kh1v7l5vo...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:41 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
>>>>http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12722
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Also see:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alien Abductions: Kidnappings by military/intelligence personnel
>>
>>If "Alien Abductions"[tanaa] are actually "Kidnappings by
>>military/intelligence personnel" (sic), then there are no aliens,
>>now are there?
>
> There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
They just pimp them out to "remote viewers" and wreck
marriages. Right, Alexa?
>
> And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
And since there is no "extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake",
there is no proof.
Or can you provide irrefutable evidence of your k'lames?
>
>
>>Is the EMR from your computer still killing you,
>
> It's killing you, boogieman.
How is the "EMR" from your computer killing me, is it one
of your murder plots?
>
> >Alexa?
>
> How did you like your first CIA Cameron Report?
>
> You did a fine job, boogeyman!
Is that why you are afraid of me? Because you think
I'm "the boogeyman"? LOL!
Art Deco
> Also see:
Request DENIED.
--
Art Deco
> "Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
> news:4krtn0914vop0773v...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:31 -0500, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
> >>news:tbitn056kh1v7l5vo...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:41 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>>>Bill Phillips: American Atrocities - Nothing New - 05/10/2004 12:48
> >>>>http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12722
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> Also see:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Alien Abductions: Kidnappings by military/intelligence personnel
> >>
> >>If "Alien Abductions"[tanaa] are actually "Kidnappings by
> >>military/intelligence personnel" (sic), then there are no aliens,
> >>now are there?
> >
> > There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
>
> They just pimp them out to "remote viewers" and wreck
> marriages. Right, Alexa?
>
> >
> > And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
>
> And since there is no "extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake",
> there is no proof.
>
> Or can you provide irrefutable evidence of your k'lames?
She's going to post her photo album Real Soon Now.
> >
> >
> >>Is the EMR from your computer still killing you,
> >
> > It's killing you, boogieman.
>
> How is the "EMR" from your computer killing me, is it one
> of your murder plots?
I'm guessing the alien probers gave her immunity from computer-induced
EMR damage, to save her from the embarassment of yet another delusion
that doesn't hang quite right.
> > >Alexa?
> >
> > How did you like your first CIA Cameron Report?
> >
> > You did a fine job, boogeyman!
>
> Is that why you are afraid of me? Because you think
> I'm "the boogeyman"? LOL!
"I'm Scared!" -- Bunn E. Rabbit.
--
Art Deco
Mrs. Word Salad has never worried too much over the details of her
conspiracy delusions. What is a little matter of 14 years, anyway,
when you have gubbermint spooks to expose?
H. Reader
> "cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
> news:10nsah3...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> >>In fact, Kerry's the ONLY candidate who has had the courage to speak out
> >>*against* Crimes Against Humanity.
> >>His testimony helped to end US-backed terrorism against the innocent
> >>people
> >>of Viet Nam.
> >
> > Late in the game.
>
> That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
> Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
> alive.
Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat who sent us to WW I. FDR
was a Democrat who sent us to WW II. Truman was a Democrat
who sent us to Korea. Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats
who sent us to Vietnam. So what could you possibly be talking
about?
Art Deco
Could you reach the pedals, Mrs. Word Salad? I would love to see those
pics!
--
Free Speech
Wow, I just loaded headers only to see several hundred of your nonsense
posts!
Too bad you're insulting some great artists with the pirating of the NM 'art
deco'
George
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
October 26, 2004
WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- A staffer for Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD)
admitted last week that a difficult situation caused by an affidavit
signed by the senator when he applied for Washington, DC's "homestead
tax exemption" was secretly "fixed" following a Talon News investigative
report.
The original August 13, 2003 story raised questions about a property tax
break claimed by Daschle for a home he and his wife purchased for $1.9
million in April 2003.
Last week, Steve Hildebrand, campaign manager for the Senate minority
leader provided a document to the Sioux Falls (SD) Argus Leader that had
been signed by the senator's wife, Linda Daschle, and submitted to the
District of Columbia Office of Tax and Revenue (OTR) on August 14, 2003.
But last year, neither Hildebrand nor Tony Bullock, director of
communications for DC Mayor Anthony Williams, acknowledged that a
substitute affidavit was executed by Mrs. Daschle to replace the one
signed by her husband on April 30, 2003.
Both officials responded to press inquiries that Mrs. Daschle qualified
for the tax break because she was a resident of the city. They also made
statements to "Roll Call" that dismissed the Talon News report as a
baseless partisan attack.
Neither of the officials indicated that an error had been made when Sen.
Daschle signed the affidavit on April 30, 2003, declaring Washington to
be his "primary place of residence." Such a declaration would have an
effect on his qualification to hold elective office representing South
Dakota and his ability to vote there.
Bullock, who left the mayor's office in September 2004 to join Ogilvy
Public Relations Worldwide, told Talon News on Monday that he didn't
know the reason Mrs. Daschle executed the replacement document. He
reiterated that he believed the senator's wife qualified for the
homestead tax exemption, regardless of who signed the original
affidavit. He previously told "Roll Call" that it was customary for
situations like this to be "quietly resolved."
But the concealment of the replacement document and the accusation of
partisanship directed against Talon News suggest a political cover up.
Democratic elected officials and appointees dominate the Washington, DC
government.
A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by Talon News on
September 29, 2004 did not result in the release of the replacement
document or acknowledgement of its existence. It was only when
Hildebrand produced a copy for the Argus Leader that the 2003 deception
was revealed.
The FOIA request instigated a flurry of activity at OTR. The same day as
the request was filed, Carl Piggott, an OTR auditor, rescinded the
homestead exemption. The following day, the OTR legal staff reinstated
the credit. The agency also faxed a letter to Daschle's Washington
office on Monday, October 18 asking that a new application be executed.
Douglas Schauss, acting director of communications for OTR told Talon
News last week that the matter was "under review with the legal staff"
and that a "resolution was expected soon."
But so far no additional documents requested by Talon News have been
released. Other questions remain as to the eligibility of the Daschles
to claim the homestead tax exemption. A call to Mrs. Daschle's office at
the lobbying firm of Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell, and Berkowitz
for comment or clarification was not returned on Monday.
The controversy over the tax break has been a public relations nightmare
for Sen. Daschle, who is fighting for his political life against former
Republican congressman John Thune. It has served to reinforce the image
of Daschle being "out of touch with South Dakota" and "too much a man of
Washington."
Since Mrs. Daschle is involved, it has highlighted a subject, her career
as a high-powered lobbyist, which the South Dakota senator has tried to
downplay. Campaign rhetoric Daschle uses against Thune for being too
close to special interests, particularly drug companies, rings hollow
considering his wife has represented several pharmaceutical companies
among her many clients.
Additionally, the Daschles have become a Washington power couple, an
image that is not in sync with the folks back in South Dakota. Few
actually believe the pair to be residents of the state despite the fact
that they hold title to a home occupied by the senator's mother. The
couple lists that address on their voting registrations. Both cast
absentee ballots last week.
Free Speech
>Bushwhacked.
You are hereby challenged to debate the Iran Contra Affair with me here on
AAV and it's relevance to Groom Lake.
Will you debate or run away like the rest of the coward sock puppets are?
Your answer is?
Free Speech
Free Speech
>In article <l8dun0do3l0blu1og...@4ax.com>,
>How much money you got?
Put your money where your large mouth is.
Prove you're credible. Or prove you're the whiney intellectually challenged
moron that you present yourself to be.
Your answer -- yes or no.
Free Speech
>In article <i6cun0p87f5mehp0s...@4ax.com>,
>What's in it for me, cheapskate?
You can show everyone you have a brain, instead of being a whiney coward.
Free Speech
>In article <indun0934ttsp95ai...@4ax.com>,
> Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:48:05 -0600, Phoenix <rbwa...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <l8dun0do3l0blu1og...@4ax.com>,
>> > Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:21:14 -0600, Phoenix <rbwa...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bushwhacked.
>> >>
>> >> You are hereby challenged to debate the Iran Contra Affair with me here on
>> >> AAV and it's relevance to Groom Lake.
>> >>
>> >> Will you debate or run away like the rest of the coward sock puppets are?
>> >>
>> >> Your answer is?
>> >
>> >How much money you got?
>>
>> Put your money where your large mouth is.
>
>I already got my money. As the challenged party, I deserve to know how
>much money YOU put on the table!
>
>Ante up or be ridiculed.
That would prove me correct, that you're a worthless human being without a
brain or an ounce of common sense.
Sanders Kaufman
news:gkEfd.6865$8W6.6490@trnddc05...
>> That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
>> Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
>> alive.
>
> Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat who sent us to WW I. FDR
That was LAST century.
Things have changed.
The US Republican Guard has squandered whatever good will was due to
Americans in the past... and mortgaged our future.
In my lifetime, and over the lives of most people on earth, Republicans have
ALWAYS started the wars, and Democrats have ALWAYS ended them.
cLIeNUX user
>
>"Sanders Kaufman" <use...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>news:drqfd.316$fC4...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>> "cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
>> news:10nsah3...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> >>In fact, Kerry's the ONLY candidate who has had the courage to speak out
>> >>*against* Crimes Against Humanity.
>> >>His testimony helped to end US-backed terrorism against the innocent
>> >>people
>> >>of Viet Nam.
>> >
>> > Late in the game.
>>
>> That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
>> Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
>> alive.
>
1/2 the Democrats in Congress voted for the war, including Kerry, Edwards,
Leiberman and Clinton.
> Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat who sent us to WW I. FDR
>was a Democrat who sent us to WW II. Truman was a Democrat
>who sent us to Korea. Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats
>who sent us to Vietnam. So what could you possibly be talking
>about?
>
It's time to take down the duopoly like the tacky twin towers it is.
Sanders Kaufman
>>"Sanders Kaufman" <use...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>>> That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
>>> Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
>>> alive.
> 1/2 the Democrats in Congress voted for the war, including Kerry, Edwards,
> Leiberman and Clinton.
No, they voted to give that authority to the President.
The president, then, chose to abuse that authority.
We need a president who doesn't lie to us about who does and does not have
nuclear missiles.
"I'm not concerned with bin Laden" - GWB
"God told me to invade Iraq" - GWB
"There won't be any casualties" - GWB
Groom Lake Saucer
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:31 -0500, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>wrote:
>
>> then there are no aliens, now are there?
>
>There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
Reptilians do it all the time.
>
>And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
Stop using me as an excuse for your incompetence, Asslexa.
Saucerpower!
Free Speech
wrote:
>Saucerpower!
Groom Lake always get the CIA's kickers in a twist eh?
Free Speech
wrote:
>X-No-Archive:Yes
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:21:14 -0600, Phoenix <rbwa...@databasix.com>
>licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:
>
>>In article <cprtn0lfc2l8ko6h9...@4ax.com>,
>>I'm sorry Alexa, but the IAEA has just reported that the saucer is now
>>MISSING and UNACCOUNTED FOR. Kerry's already saying it was Bushwhacked.
>
>It's not missing. The Lockheed boys up at the Skunk Works flew it up
>there for some experiments.
They still can't fly it though. Pity.
John Griffin
Hi saucer! Goddamn, I'm glad you're on this wavelength, because there's
something I've been wondering about!
How do you deflect the CIA/BFMCC mind control beams? Do you ever find
yourself with sudden urges to lift off the ground and shoot off toward
Las Vegas at an incredible speed or anything like that? Also, are you
aware of the top secret satellite that passes directly over you twice
every day and always has you in view? I'm not sure it's okay for me to
even mention that, so don't let Alex(i)a know I asked.
Free Speech
You also failed to mention the Russian satellites.
Or the alien view.
Groom Lake Saucer
wrote:
>Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:45:09 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email>, wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:31 -0500, "Bookman"
><thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> then there are no aliens, now are there?
>>>
>>>There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
>>
>> Reptilians do it all the time.
>>
>>>
>>>And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
>>
>> Stop using me as an excuse for your incompetence, Asslexa.
>>
>> Saucerpower!
>
>Hi saucer! Goddamn, I'm glad you're on this wavelength, because there's
>something I've been wondering about!
>
>How do you deflect the CIA/BFMCC mind control beams?
I am covered in heavy tinfoil. The kind you wrap freezer items in, not
the average casserole covering stuff.
>Do you ever find
>yourself with sudden urges to lift off the ground and shoot off toward
>Las Vegas at an incredible speed or anything like that?
Yes, and many people might think that, being immovable, that's a
difficult task to perform. I'd like to tell you how I do it, but as
they say 'what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas'
>Also, are you
>aware of the top secret satellite that passes directly over you twice
>every day and always has you in view? I'm not sure it's okay for me to
>even mention that, so don't let Alex(i)a know I asked.
That's no problem. I'm not Alexa's biggest fan. People always talk
about me like they know something about me and it's really annoying.
Now back to that satellite question. I don't really know the answer
except to tell you I get Direct TV here on the bridge and that might
explain it.
Saucerpower!
Free Speech
wrote:
>Now back to that satellite question.
http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/murder_inc/HAARP.html
Free Speech
>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:50:35 GMT, Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Now back to that satellite question.
The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's 911
intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
Big Brothers worldwide digital 3D remote sensing
http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/murder_inc/HAARP.html
CJT
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:36 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:50:35 GMT, Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now back to that satellite question.
>
>
> The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's 911
> intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
>
The election's Tuesday, so would Sunday or Monday for the capture be too
obvious?
>
> Big Brothers worldwide digital 3D remote sensing
>
> http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/murder_inc/HAARP.html
>
>
>
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John Griffin
HA! Those things have a few problems of their own. In the first place,
half of them are dummies, just inert pieces of tinfoil shaped like
various animals. Of the other 47, 39 are now covered with space slime,
and looters have stolen the antennas from the other eight.
Besides that, their orbits are wrong. The secret mind control satellite I
warned Sauce about is in an orbit that has it going due north over Groom
Lake until it's at a thirty degree angle and then due south to the same
angle, with its high-powered directional microHAARP transmitter always
pointed precisely toward a certain building at Area 51. Thus it works
sorta like a half-assed rotisserie, passing through just the right angle
to radiate into every one of his receivers for at least part of every
day. The fuckin' Russian satellites just zip along in their wimpy 100-
minute orbits and don't even have time to acquire the target.
Anyway, Sauce says he has an industrial strength tinfoil hat. It
distorted their signal and bounced it back to them and caused that slime
to grow on them.
> Or the alien view.
Are you absolutely certain I'm not expressing the alien view here?
Free Speech
The revelations that US troops have tortured and murdered Iraqi prisoners
has shocked and concerned many people around the world. However, the
revelations really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
American atrocities started when the nation was first formed with the
genocide against Native Americans and torture has been an integral but
mostly secret part of US policy since the second world war. After the war
the US protected the worst Nazis so that it could learn from them and adopt
their torture techniques.
After the CIA was officially formed it made torture part of its policy and
exported its use around the world. In 1953 the CIA started Operation
Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam. Around the
same time the US overthrew Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in
power. The CIA created, trained and managed Iran's dreaded SAVAK secret
police which tortured and murdered countless people. After the country of
Chile dared to embrace democracy and elect a President not chosen by the US,
the US was quick to install the brutal dictator Pinochet who tortured and
murdered tens of thousands. CIA controlled death squads in Central America
brutally tortured and murdered over 200,000 people during the 80's. Millions
of others have been killed around the world as a direct result of US policy.
Torture was widely taught in the US School of the Americas to people who
came to be known as some of the world's most monstrous violators of human
rights. Amnesty International cites the United States as the largest
international supplier of electro-shock weapons to governments that practice
electro-shock torture. $3 million worth of electro-shock devices were sold
to Saudi Arabia in 1990.
However, it is not only the CIA & military that has been guilty of
conducting torture. The Chicago police department used brutal torture
techniques against non-white prisoners up until the mid 80's. Throughout the
US prison system, torture and rape are routine. In fact, the situation has
been so bad that in 2000 the UN delivered a severe public rebuke to the
United States for its record on preventing torture and degrading punishment.
Amnesty International has repeatedly denounced U.S. police forces for "a
pattern of unchecked excessive force amounting to torture."
The so-called 'War on Terror' is being used to create a culture of
brutality from the highest level. Mass media has suggested that torture is
necessary to protect American lives. The January 2001 cover of The Atlantic
Monthly asked in large print, "MUST WE TORTURE?" Terrorism analyst Bruce
Hoffman from Rand Corporation suggested that torture is necessary to protect
American interests. It has been suggested by many Americans that torture be
legalized.
The reality is that torture is not a good method of extracting
information. Information obtained under torture is not reliable and a person
who is tortured will make up whatever information is wanted just to stop the
torture. A skilled interrogator can get the information they need without
torture. Even the CIA's own "Human Resource Exploitation Training
Manual--1983:" says:
"Intense pain is quite likely to produce false confessions, fabricated to
avoid additional punishment. This results in a time-consuming delay while an
investigation is conducted and the admissions are proven untrue. During this
respite, the subject can pull himself together and may even use the time to
devise a more complex confession that takes still longer to disprove."
The advanced intelligence gathering technique of remote viewing can obtain
information from a distance. This technique was used extensively to identify
bombing targets in the first attack of Iraq and to probe the plans and
intentions of Saddam Hussein in a daily basis. Non-harmful mind control
techniques can also be used to extract information. From a technical aspect,
torture is simply not necessary.
The brutality against the Iraqis isn't even about extracting information,
it is merely brutality for its own sake. The question is why does the US
government allow and promote torture?
Making Enemies
Most people are peaceful and more concerned with their own well-being than
with invading another country. Lacking any real enemies, American foreign
policy has intentionally created enemies and conflict to support the defense
industry and further the goals of the ruling elite for the last 50 years.
Vietnam - The Vietnamese war was a good example of how the US creates
enemies to further its own agenda. During WWII , Ho Chi Minh lead the
resistant on behalf of the Allied Powers against the Japanese under an
agreement that Vietnam be given its freedom from French domination after the
war ended. Ho Chi Minh kept his side of the bargain and on August 17, 1945
he broadcast:
"We were fighting Japs on the side of the United Nations. Now Japs
Surrendered. We beg the United Nations to realize their solemn promise that
all nationalities be given democracy and independence. If United Nations
forget their solemn promise and don't give Indochina full independence, we
will keep fighting until we get it."
On September 2, 1945 a band marched through Hanoi playing the Star
Spangled Banner. Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnamese Independence and began his
speech with "All men are created equal." Yet, the dream of Vietnamese
democracy was not to be. The country was divided and South Vietnam was given
back to the French. The US betrayed the Vietnamese and supported French
oppression. The US even offered the French atomic weapons to use against the
Vietnamese, which the French fortunately declined. It was only after the
betrayal by the US that Ho Chi Minh turned to Russia for the help needed to
defeat the French and truly became 'communist'. The US had effectively
turned an ally into an enemy and destroyed democracy in 'Indo China'.
By 1954 the US was paying for 78% of the French war against the
Vietnamese. After the French were defeated in May 1954 at Dien Bien Phu, the
Geneva Accords temporarily divided Vietnam in half at the 17th parallel,
with Ho Chi Minh's Vietminh ceded the North, and French puppet Bao Dai's
regime granted the South. The accords also provided for elections to be held
in all of Vietnam within two years to reunify the country. The US opposed
the unifying elections, fearing a likely victory by Ho Chi Minh, and refused
to sign the Geneva accords - further denying the Vietnamese the possibility
of democracy.
As the French left, the US stepped in to control the South. The CIA's
Phoenix Operation began almost immediately after the US takeover in 1954.
Under US management the South Vietnamese secret police dished out live
burnings, garroting, rape, torture, sabotage - much of which was blamed on
the Vietcong. Over 50,000 civilians were tortured and murdered at the hands
of the CIA & military intelligence. In all, over a million Vietnamese were
killed by US forces. The land mines, unexploded ordinance and death from
chemical contamination have killed and crippled countless more. Richard
Nixon admitted in his final days that he had escalated the war against
Vietnam merely for the defense industry to sell more weapons.
It was in the early days of the fighting in Vietnam that a Vietcong
officer said to his American prisoner: "You were our heroes after the War.
We read American books and saw American films, and a common phrase in those
days was 'to be as rich and as wise as an American'. What happened?"
Iraq - US involvement in Iraq goes back several decades and parallels
British domination of the country early in the century. In 1958 the CIA
hired Saddam Hussein to assassinate the President of Iraq - Abdel Karim
Qassim. It wasn't until 1963 that Hussein and the US were successful in
overthrowing the Iraqi government. In the process 5,000 were killed.
Immediately after the coup Saddam rounded up and murdered another 800 people
on a list prepared by the CIA of potentianl opponents. However, the new
Ba'athist regime had little popular support and was replaced by rival army
officers 9 months later. With more CIA help Saddam regained control and was
kept in power until the US invaded Iraq in 2003.
In his book "October Surprise", Gary Sick details how Bush-Reagan used
arms and cash to bribe the Iranians to keep the American hostages until
after the election to prevent Jimmy Carter from being re-elected 1980. The
Iranians kept their part of the deal and the hostage's release was announced
the day Reagan was sworn into office. The US continued to clandestinely
supply Iran with weapons to help pay for its illegal war against democracy
in Nicaragua in what came to be known as Iran-Contra. At the same time it
supplied Iraq with its chemical and biological weapons to use against Iran.
In 1986 Reagan sent Saddam a secret message telling him that he should step
us his bombing of Iran. Iran is suing the US & Germany for supplying Iraq
with the illegal
chemical and bio weapons used against them in the CIA directed war of
1980-1988.
Up until Iraq's US approved invasion of Kuwait, the US Department of
Defense training manuals sang the praises of Saddam Hussein, noting how he
had vastly improved education, medical care, and the standard of living of
his people. His regime was called one of the most enlightened, progressive
governments in the region.
As Iraq massed it troops on the Kuwaiti border in preparation for
invasion, the US watched on in complete silence. Ever loyal to US interests
and his CIA handlers, Saddam invaded Kuwait to support the administration of
George Bush and ensure support for long-term military bases in the Middle
East. After killing 500,000 Iraqis, the US then setup Saddam's opponents so
that Saddam could eliminate any active opposition to his brutal regime.
To further the suffering of the Iraqi people and set them up for future
events, the brutal and meaningless sanctions were imposed. At the
International Court On Crimes Against Humanity, US, British and UN officials
were charged with 'causing the deaths of more than 1,500,000 people
including 750,000 children under five, and injury to the entire population
of Iraq by genocidal sanctions.' While the Iraqis were suffering and dying
for no good reason, Saddam lived in unimaginable luxury.
The hatred of the Iraqi people towards the US, who put Saddam in power and
kept him in power for over 25 years is only being deepened by US actions.
There was never any intention of "winning Iraqi hearts and minds". The
'revelations' about the US torturing Iraqis is merely a way to fan the
flames of hatred against Americans.
"We have heard that a half million children have died," said "60 Minutes"
reporter Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq. "I mean,
that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And -- and you know, is the
price worth it?" Her guest, in May 1996, U.N. Ambassador Madeleine Albright,
responded: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think
the price is worth it."
Other countries - Throughout the world the US has overthrown democracies,
installed dictators, setup brutal secret police and death squads, and
created conflict where none existed. Anywhere true democracy might rear its
ugly head, the US is there to quickly chop it off and put one of its brutal
puppets in place. Wherever brutality and corruption exists the US is usually
somewhere behind the scenes manipulating events. In the process, the US has
caused unimaginable suffering and deprived the world of hope.
The negative impact of US foreign policy is so great that the path of
human evolution has been altered. The covert CIA coups and wars have
deprived entire continents of the opportunity to climb out of poverty and
eliminated generations of potential humane leaders. The environment is being
destroyed with projects approved by US puppet governments with money loaned
by the IMF and World Bank and then stolen by US Corporations, leaving the
impoverished public to pay off the debt. Global warming is very real and
causing billions in damage every year, yet the US continues to suppress
alternative energy and worship the dark god of oil.
The Great Lie
I was raised to believe that America is the "Land of the Free and Home of
the Brave". I was seriously misinformed. America truly is "the great satan".
American mass media continues to project an image of the US as the "bastion
of democracy" and "leader of the free world" - yet, few people other than
Americans believe it any more.
The Real Agenda
Just as past American atrocities have created wars and conflicts, the
current atrocities will result in more conflict, loss of life and
environmental destruction. The preparations for the war against 'terrorism'
have been going on for at least 20 years. In partnership with the Saudi
ruling family, the global ruling elite has radicalized Islam through mind
control facilities disguised as religious schools. In these schools they
create the 'terrorists' needed for an enemy. Without the CIA, Saudi
'schools' and Israeli abuse of Palestinians there simply wouldn't be a
threat from muslim 'terrorists'. If the US had not stolen democracy from so
many countries in the first place, muslim fundamentalism wouldn't have grown
to the level it is now.
This time there is no adversary capable of standing up the US. The
continued war will be one against freedom, democracy and life as the
American military empire and its minions expand control gradually over more
of the globe in the name of 'fighting terrorism' and the creation of a
global corporate police state.
Bill Phillips
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Free Speech
>> That would prove me correct, that you're a worthless human being without a
>> brain or an ounce of common sense.
>
>Why?
Ask your mother.
Free Speech
>I'm not in this to prove I'm intelligent or brave
That's patently obvious.
Free Speech
>In article <d1mvn01mo61cu6j57...@4ax.com>,
>A bigger question is, why can't you find a way to get your head out of
>your @$$?
Why are you posting to alt.alien.visitors for George Bush?
alohacyberian
>>
>> That's why we need Democrats in the White House.
>> Republicans send kids away to war; Democrats bring them home - dead or
>> alive.
>
> was a Democrat who sent us to WW II. Truman was a Democrat
> who sent us to Korea. Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats
> who sent us to Vietnam. So what could you possibly be talking
> about?
>
year old's the right to vote - was a Republican. Can that be what he was
talking about? ;-)
Yeah, I remember as a kid, being taught that the Americans just "had" to
enter the First World War because the Germans sank the _Lusitania_. What they
didn't bother to tell us was that the Lusitania wasn't an American ship. And,
of course, we were taught that we had to enter the Second World War because
the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, but, that never did explain why we had to
send troops to Europe. Now, I realize that both Democrats and Republicans can
answer that question quite deftly, but, it still doesn't answer the question
as to why Democrats claim that Republicans presidents send kids away to war
when the presidents who presided over the four longest wars in the last
century and who sent troops into those wars were Democrats. KM
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> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:38:17 -0600, Phoenix <rbwa...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <d1mvn01mo61cu6j57...@4ax.com>,
> > Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:36 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:50:35 GMT, Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Now back to that satellite question.
> >>
> >> The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's 911
> >> intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
> >>
> >>
> >> Big Brothers worldwide digital 3D remote sensing
> >>
> >> http://www.wardrobe.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/murder_inc/HAARP.html
> >
> >A bigger question is, why can't you find a way to get your head out of
> >your @$$?
>
> Why are you posting to alt.alien.visitors for George Bush?
Fransisco Franco is still dead!
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>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:36 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:50:35 GMT, Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Now back to that satellite question.
>
>The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's 911
>intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
>
>
Because the atoms that once made up bin monster have been recycled for
Afghanistan's local vegetation.
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>
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>
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<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:20:31 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:36 GMT, Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:50:35 GMT, Groom Lake Saucer <U...@net-kooks.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now back to that satellite question.
>>
>>The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's 911
>>intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
>>
>>
>
>Because the atoms that once made up bin monster have been recycled for
>Afghanistan's local vegetation.
Ah, better get going on developing that trans-gene for opium poppies and
coca and put bin out of biz.
Sanders Kaufman
news:s983o0dr572uvfc3u...@4ax.com...
>>The BIG question is why can't Bush find bin Laden and why was the CIA's
>>911
>>intelligence gathering so faulty when they have access to this:
> Because the atoms that once made up bin monster have been recycled for
> Afghanistan's local vegetation.
Faith based denial.
It's worth pointing out that y'all NeoCons didn't think bin Laden was a
threat *before* 9/11 either.
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Free Speech
wrote:
> then there are no aliens, now are there?
There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
Bookman
"Free Speech" <n...@thnx.email> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:34:31 -0500, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> wrote:
>
>> then there are no aliens, now are there?
>
> There's no malevolent aliens who rape torture or harm their contacts.
So you had sex with a man who was not Jon of your own
free will, eh? Thanks for admitting it.
>
> And the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake proves it.
And since there is no 'extraterrestrial saucer' (that Alexa can provide
real proof of) at Groom Lake, there is no proof. IOW, that proves
that Alexa is nuts.
Thanks for playing, Alexa. Let me know if you ever have an _actual_
issue to debate.
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Free Speech
wrote:
>And since there is no 'extraterrestrial saucer'
Sure there is.
Who are you bookman? A net nazi?
Free Speech
wrote:
>So you had sex with a man who was not Jon of your own
>free will, eh?
No, did you?
Free Speech
wrote:
>(that Alexa can provide
>real proof of
Who is alexa?
And why are you having a hissy fit about her?
Free Speech
wrote:
> Let me know if you ever have an _actual_
>issue to debate.
There's nothing to debate. There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
Lake. Period. It's there, and I not only know about it, but I also know 7
people who also have seen it, worked on it and know that the US government
has lied about it for more than 30 years.
Free Speech
wrote:
>IOW, that proves
>that Alexa is nuts.
How exactly does the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake prove anyone is
nuts, other than the people who are trying to cover up the knowledge of it,
eh?
Covering up the fact is insane. Too many people have worked on and seen the
saucer at Groom Lake. Secrets are impossible to keep -- people talk,
especially about something that important!
And of course, every president and their cabinet since 1970 know abut it
too.
It's an ill kept secret. And the world financial elite are scared to death
of that saucer as its technology will make money obsolete and dethrone all
of the world's most wealthy and powerful.
The extraterrestrial technology on board the saucer includes replicators,
which can duplicate anything from matter -- and that includes a Mercedes
Benz and a human being.
Art Deco
*Five* kooky replies to a single post, well done Bookman!
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You and 'bookman' do understand what happened in the 'dark ages' and why it
was called the 'dark ages' don't you?
KittyKat
"Art Deco" <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> Free Speech <n...@thnx.email> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >IOW, that proves
>> >that Alexa is nuts.
>>
>> How exactly does the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake prove anyone
>> is
>> nuts, other than the people who are trying to cover up the knowledge of
>> it,
>> eh?
>>
>> Covering up the fact is insane. Too many people have worked on and seen
>> the
>> saucer at Groom Lake. Secrets are impossible to keep -- people talk,
>> especially about something that important!
hehe. The old 'conspiracy theory' rears its ugly head.
>> And of course, every president and their cabinet since 1970 know abut it
>> too.
>>
>> It's an ill kept secret. And the world financial elite are scared to
>> death
>> of that saucer as its technology will make money obsolete and dethrone
>> all
>> of the world's most wealthy and powerful.
for cristsake..........doesn't take much to read between the lines in the
above rhetoric. She hates anyone that has wealth and power because she does
not have the same.
>> The extraterrestrial technology on board the saucer includes replicators,
>> which can duplicate anything from matter -- and that includes a Mercedes
>> Benz and a human being.
sounds like something taken out of a Star Trek movie. If it is 'true' that
would certainly explain all the weirdos running amock. They're being
'replicated'
Dr. Flonkenstein
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> wrote:
>
>>IOW, that proves
>>that Alexa is nuts.
>
> How exactly does the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake prove anyone is
> nuts,
Because it only exists in your demented mind?
> other than the people who are trying to cover up the knowledge of
> it, eh?
>
Who would take care of your insane mind, except some welfare people?
> Covering up the fact is insane.
Your insanity is not a fact that has been covered up. On the contrary it's
becoming a public fact.
> Too many people have worked on and seen
> the saucer at Groom Lake.
Mickey Mouse and Spiderman are the main witnesses, among some other
imaginary persons!
> Secrets are impossible to keep -- people talk,
> especially about something that important!
>
Especially when they have nothing else to do because they have no work and
are living off wellfare checks!
> And of course, every president and their cabinet since 1970 know abut it
> too.
>
JFK already knew you were useless to society, so you invented the saucer
at Groom Lake, because, as a person, nobody was interested in you.
> It's an ill kept secret.
That you are a ultime lunatic. In fact it's becoming a public secret.
> And the world financial elite are scared to
> death of that saucer as its technology will make money obsolete and
> dethrone all of the world's most wealthy and powerful.
>
But what you don't know is that your saucer has AIDS and will die within
the next three months. What are you going to do about that?
> The extraterrestrial technology on board the saucer includes replicators,
> which can duplicate anything from matter -- and that includes a Mercedes
> Benz and a human being.
Can it also duplicate my bank account?
Alexa, if Bush wins, it's because you made all the Kerry fans look like
the lunatic you are. Thanks for joining the party.
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"quick to call others pedo?"
Dr. Flonkenstein
You did, and Bush paid you for it, whore!
Dr. Flonkenstein
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> wrote:
>
>> Let me know if you ever have an _actual_
>>issue to debate.
>
> There's nothing to debate.
With a whore who sells her body to Bush and the islamists there is nothing
to debate, I agree!
> There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
> Lake.
That's what Bush propagandists want everybody to believe!
> Period.
You said you had it last week!
> It's there, and I not only know about it, but I also know
> 7 people who also have seen it,
They've seen it from somebody who heard it from someone else, Bush whore!
> worked on it and know that the US
> government has lied about it for more than 30 years.
You must be very happy Bush will win the next election, so you can spread
some more disinformation!
Dr. Flonkenstein
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:54:17 GMT, "Bookman" <thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> wrote:
>
>>(that Alexa can provide
>>real proof of
>
> Who is alexa?
>
A disinformation agent payed by Bush to spread the notion that the
americans have superior thechnology just to hide the fact they are just
using third grade warfare technology that will always put them in a lose
situation.
> And why are you having a hissy fit about her?
Having a good laugh about a debunked disinformation agent paid by Bush is
always a good thing to laugh at!
Dr. Flonkenstein
Said Alexa, the paedophile network organizer!
Daedalus
Di yu have a happy Halloween in front of your computer, Alexa?
Jade
Chas Kader
peer pressure and finally wrote:
>Free Speech wrote:
>>
>
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> =The Commentator = <gu...@who.net> succumbed to the irresistable force of
> peer pressure and finally wrote:
> >Free Speech wrote:
> >>
> >
> >*PLONK*
>
> *PLONK*
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pressure and finally wrote:
>Chas Kader <ch...@boo.gnu.shoo> wrote:
>
>> =The Commentator = <gu...@who.net> succumbed to the irresistable force of
>> peer pressure and finally wrote:
>> >Free Speech wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >*PLONK*
>>
>> *PLONK*
>
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