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Robert Henderson

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Nov 19, 2009, 6:09:32 AM11/19/09
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The problem with renouncing EU citizenship is that by doing so you
accept its reality.

The situation is akin to that of those brought before international
courts which have no meaningful legal jurisdiction, merely power
arrogated to them by the powerful. If you defend yourself you are
tacitly accepting the jurisdiction of the court.

The correct response is to refuse to acknowledge the court. In the same
way, the correct response to claims that there is such a thing as EU
citizenship is to ignore as having no substance. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

AgitProp

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:29:14 AM11/19/09
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On Nov 19, 10:09 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

.... make the most out the situation. The Greeks have
been doing it for eons. They don't have PC problems
because every citizen turns a blind eye + they get paid
to be in the EU. Learn from the pros.

Smurf

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:58:18 AM11/19/09
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Robert Henderson wrote:
> The problem with renouncing EU citizenship is that by doing so you
> accept its reality.
>
> The situation is akin to that of those brought before international
> courts which have no meaningful legal jurisdiction, merely power
> arrogated to them by the powerful. If you defend yourself you are
> tacitly accepting the jurisdiction of the court.
>
> The correct response is to refuse to acknowledge the court. In the
> same way, the correct response to claims that there is such a thing
> as EU citizenship is to ignore as having no substance. RH

Charles I refused to acknowledge the court that put him on trial for
treason. It didnt end well.


Blue

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:55:24 AM11/19/09
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Robert Henderson wrote:
> The problem with renouncing EU citizenship is that by doing so you
> accept its reality.
>
> The situation is akin to that of those brought before international
> courts which have no meaningful legal jurisdiction, merely power
> arrogated to them by the powerful. If you defend yourself you are
> tacitly accepting the jurisdiction of the court.
>
> The correct response is to refuse to acknowledge the court. In the same
> way, the correct response to claims that there is such a thing as EU
> citizenship is to ignore as having no substance. RH


Sounds a bit like head in the sand.

Don't see how you can't ignore EU landfill fines which are sought via council tax.

Or EU contributions sourced from general tax.

It's ok to say ignore paying these EU taxes but I think you'll end up in prison.

John Turner

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Nov 19, 2009, 10:14:33 AM11/19/09
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"Blue" wrote

> Sounds a bit like head in the sand.

More like head in the basket.

J


Robert Henderson

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Nov 19, 2009, 11:06:00 AM11/19/09
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In message <7ml18vF...@mid.individual.net>, Smurf <sm...@smurf.com>
writes

>> The situation is akin to that of those brought before international
>> courts which have no meaningful legal jurisdiction, merely power
>> arrogated to them by the powerful. If you defend yourself you are
>> tacitly accepting the jurisdiction of the court.
>>
>> The correct response is to refuse to acknowledge the court. In the
>> same way, the correct response to claims that there is such a thing
>> as EU citizenship is to ignore as having no substance. RH
>
>Charles I refused to acknowledge the court that put him on trial for
>treason. It didnt end well.


He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its
proceedings. Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant
you got off scotch free...RH

William Black

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:40:25 PM11/19/09
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Oh yes it did...


--
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Dave Muir

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Nov 19, 2009, 12:54:07 PM11/19/09
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Robert Henderson wrote:

> He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its
> proceedings. Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant
> you got off scotch free...RH

Scotch free!
Now you've upset the Scots as well. ;)

--
Dave
"Democracy is not Liberty. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on
what to have for supper. Liberty is an armed lamb contesting the vote."

Special Care

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:23:54 PM11/19/09
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Yeah well there was this prostitute who was brought before the court
accused of lewd and lascivious behaviour calculated to outrage public
decency, and the judge solemnly asked her:

"Do you recognise the court."

"I do, yer honour, every bloody one o' ye, and yi still owe me fifty
quid for last night."

Ophelia

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:53:46 PM11/19/09
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"Dave Muir" <dm...@hotmail2.com> wrote in message
news:he40o1$tui$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its
>> proceedings. Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant you
>> got off scotch free...RH
>
> Scotch free!
> Now you've upset the Scots as well. ;)

LOL you think he doesn't know that?:))


Michael Swift

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Nov 19, 2009, 6:49:34 PM11/19/09
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In article <ciUW29oo...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes

>He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its
>proceedings. Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant
>you got off scotch free...RH
^^^^^^^^^^^

I wish it was, it would save me a bloody fortune :-)

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

AlanG

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Nov 20, 2009, 6:18:46 AM11/20/09
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:49:34 GMT, Michael Swift
<mike....@yeton.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <ciUW29oo...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
><phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>>He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its
>>proceedings. Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant
>>you got off scotch free...RH
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I wish it was, it would save me a bloody fortune :-)
>

I've never had a pint of Lorimers scotch for years. The beer they sell
round here now is piss :(


And the term is 'scot free' means not being taxed.

Robert Henderson

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Nov 20, 2009, 7:33:51 AM11/20/09
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In message <tducg5l5dsstkaimp...@4ax.com>, AlanG
<inv...@invalid.net> writes

>>
>>I wish it was, it would save me a bloody fortune :-)
>>
>I've never had a pint of Lorimers scotch for years. The beer they sell
>round here now is piss :(
>
>
>And the term is 'scot free' means not being taxed.

In common parlance yes, scot and lot and all that. However, in the
context of Scotchland it means living as the Scotch do, ie, putting
their hands deep into English pockets... RH

AlanG

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:34:04 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:33:51 +0000, Robert Henderson
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <tducg5l5dsstkaimp...@4ax.com>, AlanG
><inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>>
>>>I wish it was, it would save me a bloody fortune :-)
>>>
>>I've never had a pint of Lorimers scotch for years. The beer they sell
>>round here now is piss :(
>>
>>
>>And the term is 'scot free' means not being taxed.
>
>In common parlance yes, scot and lot and all that. However, in the
>context of Scotchland it means living as the Scotch do, ie, putting
>their hands deep into English pockets... RH

Living in Northern England I'm well aware of the Barnett formula but
the SE of England has been dipping it's hands into other's pockets for
decades. Decentralise government and move parliament to somewhere like
Sunderland and watch where the money goes.

Robert Henderson

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Nov 20, 2009, 1:50:55 PM11/20/09
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In message <rqndg59ai5f0bb21d...@4ax.com>, AlanG
<inv...@invalid.net> writes

>>
>>In common parlance yes, scot and lot and all that. However, in the
>>context of Scotchland it means living as the Scotch do, ie, putting
>>their hands deep into English pockets... RH
>
>Living in Northern England I'm well aware of the Barnett formula but
>the SE of England has been dipping it's hands into other's pockets for
>decades. Decentralise government and move parliament to somewhere like
>Sunderland and watch where the money goes.

London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
UK. RH

AlanG

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Nov 21, 2009, 4:10:34 AM11/21/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:50:55 +0000, Robert Henderson
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <rqndg59ai5f0bb21d...@4ax.com>, AlanG
><inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>>
>>>In common parlance yes, scot and lot and all that. However, in the
>>>context of Scotchland it means living as the Scotch do, ie, putting
>>>their hands deep into English pockets... RH
>>
>>Living in Northern England I'm well aware of the Barnett formula but
>>the SE of England has been dipping it's hands into other's pockets for
>>decades. Decentralise government and move parliament to somewhere like
>>Sunderland and watch where the money goes.
>
>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>UK. RH

No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.

Robert Henderson

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:12:34 AM11/21/09
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In message <3gbfg51d2fuhhj00r...@4ax.com>, AlanG
<inv...@invalid.net> writes

>>
>>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>>UK. RH
>
>No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.
>

Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every

area of the UK. RH

>Decentralise government and move parliament to somewhere like
>Sunderland and watch where the money goes.

--

AlanG

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Nov 21, 2009, 11:49:19 AM11/21/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:12:34 +0000, Robert Henderson
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <3gbfg51d2fuhhj00r...@4ax.com>, AlanG
><inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>>
>>>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>>>UK. RH
>>
>>No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.
>>
>
>Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every
>area of the UK. RH

It's a parasite on the rest of the country.

Robert Henderson

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:15:13 PM11/21/09
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In message <re6gg55mkorga6976...@4ax.com>, AlanG
<inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>
>>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>>UK. RH
>>>
>>>No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.
>>>
>>
>>Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every
>>area of the UK. RH
>
>It's a parasite on the rest of the country.
>
>>
>Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises
every
>area of the UK. RH

AlanG

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:50:27 AM11/22/09
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On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:15:13 +0000, Robert Henderson
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <re6gg55mkorga6976...@4ax.com>, AlanG
><inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>>
>>>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>>>UK. RH
>>>>
>>>>No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every
>>>area of the UK. RH
>>
>>It's a parasite on the rest of the country.
>>
>>>
> >Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises
>every
> >area of the UK. RH

It sucks in the wealth from outside like a leech feeding on an artery

Dead Paul

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:37:41 AM11/22/09
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No, that's right. It's about doing the right thing.

Robert Henderson

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:54:29 AM11/25/09
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In message <pouhg5po33e9ju8f1...@4ax.com>, AlanG
<inv...@invalid.net> writes
>>>>
>>>>London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every area of the
>>>>UK. RH
>>>>>
>>>>>No it doesn't. It sucks in all the wealth created outside.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises every
>>>>area of the UK. RH
>>>
>>>It's a parasite on the rest of the country.
>>>
>>>>
>> >Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises
>>every
>> >area of the UK. RH
>
>It sucks in the wealth from outside like a leech feeding on an artery

Translation: London in particular and the SE in general subsidises
every area of the UK. RH

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Robert Henderson

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:54:58 AM11/25/09
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In message <heb0p5$4fu$1...@news.datemas.de>, Dead Paul
<dead...@no.reply> writes

>>>
>>>Charles I refused to acknowledge the court that put him on trial for
>>>treason. It didnt end well.
>>
>>
>> He made the mistake of acknowledging it by taking part in its proceedings.
>> Also, I did not say failing to acknowledge a court meant you got off
>> scotch free...RH
>
>No, that's right. It's about doing the right thing.

Quite. RH

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