Why does no party advocate English independence?
Andy
having a Scottish PM. Not that I have a problem with Scots, it's just
a different country altogether. With the EU, I don't think there's a
need for the UK as one block. Also, it would give each country the
chance to choose EU, EEA or out of Europe altogether.
It would also be a great chance to replace the hideously bloated
national civil service, and also for the introduction of a new ,
clarified fully written constitution and a bill of rights.
HardySpicer
wrote:
'cos English lefties see them as fascists.
White Spirit
> HardySpicer wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 7:21 am, Andy <andrewrichardwainwri...@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Even the English Democrats don't do this, surprising really after
>>> having a Scottish PM.
>> 'cos English lefties see them as fascists.
> How about an English National Socialist party?
That's precisely what the English Democrats are IIRC.
Andy
The big problem with the nationalist movement this side of the border
is it is FAR too conservative - a grumpy old man / waspy old biddy
sort of vibe. That or the angry young man - basically the lack of
"love" and "humanity"
The problem with conservatism is it assumes "yesterday" is always
right. The human mind filters out the bad experiences to a large
extent - hence the phrase rose-tinted spectacles. However there are
timeless values - such as the rule of law, marriage and good manners.
Also the issue of assuming all English are either the same or divided
upon crude physique or religious criteria. For example why are
drinkers given a different legal status to smokers or sniffers? As far
as I'm concerned, as long as no-one else is harmed
excessively ,whatever floats your boat. Why is polygamy not legally
recognized? etc etc
Both socialists and conservatives alike have the problem of social
engineering. Personally I'd like to see national government restricted
to transport / infrastructure , healthcare, basic social security and
fighting serious crime , with all other powers devolved to
metropolitan / county / borough levels.
I think a big problem with recent politics is the amount of "new
money" - i.e. those who have gained middle-class priviliges in the
post-war era but haven't yet got the taste and manners to go with the
status- thus they tend to be materialistic and lacking in compassion
and creativity.
The situation will work itself out but a lot of people are going to
fall from grace. Education is still excellent for the most part and
infrastructure is superior to the developing world. But what people
*will* have to do is learn to make do and mend again because the
disposable, throwaway culture is neither economically or
environmentally sustainable. Also due to population pressure -
immigration controls are a king canute issue here i.e. impossible to
implement effectively with global pressures - a much better use is
going to have to be made of land. There's enough food and housing to
go around - a 200% increase in efficiency could be practical - along
with similar energy and car use savings. For instance - why does
someone have to commute 100 miles to sit all day at a desk when they
could do this without leaving their front room - videoconferencing and
collabarative software make this very possible etc.
White Spirit
> The big problem with the nationalist movement this side of the border
> is it is FAR too conservative - a grumpy old man / waspy old biddy
> sort of vibe. That or the angry young man - basically the lack of
> "love" and "humanity"
Yep - and we can see it on this newsgroup on a daily basis.
> The problem with conservatism is it assumes "yesterday" is always
> right. The human mind filters out the bad experiences to a large
> extent - hence the phrase rose-tinted spectacles. However there are
> timeless values - such as the rule of law, marriage and good manners.
People seem to look at the 1950s (and before) as a model example of
society, conveniently ignoring all that was negative. Likewise,
nostalgia for the British Empire seems to overlook that we were sending
children down coal mines.
> Also the issue of assuming all English are either the same or divided
> upon crude physique or religious criteria. For example why are
> drinkers given a different legal status to smokers or sniffers?
It depends on what is being smoked or sniffed. I'd be happy with
relaxed laws on certain drugs.
> As far
> as I'm concerned, as long as no-one else is harmed
> excessively ,whatever floats your boat. Why is polygamy not legally
> recognized? etc etc
Polygamy is detrimental to the family unit.
> Both socialists and conservatives alike have the problem of social
> engineering. Personally I'd like to see national government restricted
> to transport / infrastructure , healthcare, basic social security and
> fighting serious crime , with all other powers devolved to
> metropolitan / county / borough levels.
I agree that would be better. The machinery of state is far too large
and far too intrusive.
> I think a big problem with recent politics is the amount of "new
> money" - i.e. those who have gained middle-class priviliges in the
> post-war era but haven't yet got the taste and manners to go with the
> status- thus they tend to be materialistic and lacking in compassion
> and creativity.
I think the 'old money' is just the same in that regard.
> For instance - why does
> someone have to commute 100 miles to sit all day at a desk when they
> could do this without leaving their front room - videoconferencing and
> collabarative software make this very possible etc.
Because managers want to make sure that employees aren't wasting all
their time on Facebook and so on.
Robert Henderson
<2b37d84f-e554-4c07...@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Andy
<andrewricha...@googlemail.com> writes
>>
>> That's precisely what the English Democrats are IIRC.
>
>The big problem with the nationalist movement this side of the border
>is it is FAR too conservative
The problem with nationalism in England is that it cannot get a public
voice because of the liberal bigot control of the media... RH
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Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk