Race realism - A rational policy
Robert Henderson
the EU and repudiation of any other treaty which constrains our control
of our borders.
2. End all further legal mass immigration by any mean - patrial,
marriage, work permits, asylum. Those with vital skills are very few and
can be brought in on fixed term contracts if necessary.
3. Identify and deport as many illegals as can be found. Persuading
the originating countries to accept them can be a mixture of carrot and
stick. The Third World (from which most immigrants come) is much more
dependent on links with the West than the West is with links to the
Third World. Aid and trading privileges can be withdrawn if countries
will not take back their nationals. A re-settlement fee could be paid
to the receiving country for each returnee where the returnee has been
in Britain for any length of time.
4. Remove immigrants living legally in Britain who do not have British
citizenship and who have been out of work for more than a year.
5. Restrict the benefits of the Welfare state including education, the
NHS and social housing to British citizens.
6. Work with other First World countries to try to persuade them to
adopt similar policies - that would lessen the chance of Britain
becoming isolated.
Race relations
1. End all state-sponsored multiculturalism.
2. Repeal all race-related legislation - the RRA, sections of the
Public Order Act, racially aggravated offences etc.
3. Abolish all "race" bodies such as the CRE and any other publicly
organisation.
4. Withdraw charitable status from all ethnic group organisations.
5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
immigration.
6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
RH
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Joseph Hutcheon
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> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> immigration.
How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was 'free'?
The concepts seem mutually exclusive.
Heretic
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Zer0
"Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
>> immigration.
>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
'free'?
The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
Zer0
Joseph Hutcheon
news:b1r726$16dsc6$1...@ID-19198.news.dfncis.de...
Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
Zer0
"Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
>>>'free'?
>>The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
>Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
I thought you were the Scouse git. Or am I mixing you up with that other
idiot? What's his name? Stu-pid or something?
Zer0
Joseph Hutcheon
>
> "Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
> >>>'free'?
>
> >>The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
>
> >Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
>
> I thought you were the Scouse git.
There's me and JNugent. Robert Henderson says he was born in Cheshire, so
he almost qualifies.
Robert Henderson
<j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
Dr. Sunil
> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>
Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
Joseph Hutcheon
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa...
Indeed. They'll haave to paint the nippers blue and do reconstructions of
human sacrifices at Stonehenge. There's native!
Robert Henderson
<sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
"Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:b1rbjr$16d08s$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de...
Let's keep things in perspective.
Merely hanging criminals from trees as an offering to Odin will do.
Strangling homosexuals and burying them in bogs optional (no pun intended).
Dirk
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> > 6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
> >
> >Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
> >
> Only in the geographical sense. The Christianity of Europe is that of
> Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
> East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
> RH
There's something fundamentally wrong with Westernised Xianity that the
Eastern Orthodox Church got right.
Dirk
Dr. Sunil
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> > 6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
> >
> >Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
> >
> Only in the geographical sense. The Christianity of Europe is that of
> Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
> East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
> RH
Since when are Greece and Roman, Britain. My whole point was that the
pagan Anglo-Saxon/British population were converted by foreign
missionaries.
Dr. Sunil
> In article <b1r799$164hjf$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
> <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
> >"Zer0" <ze...@bigwig.net> wrote in message
> >news:b1r726$16dsc6$1...@ID-19198.news.dfncis.de...
> >>
> >> "Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> >> >> immigration.
> >>
> >> >How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
> >> 'free'?
> >>
> >> The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
> >
> >Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
> >
> >
> Born not that far away, actually - Sandbach in Cheshire. RH
In the service station car park?
Robert Henderson
<j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
>"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
>> immigration.
>
>How would you 'force' such a debate,
Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
citizens selected by lot. RH
> and how would you ensure it was 'free'?
>The concepts seem mutually exclusive.
>
>
--
Joseph Hutcheon
> In article <b1r6cb$157lt2$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
> <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> >> immigration.
> >
> >How would you 'force' such a debate,
>
> Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
> the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
> mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
> Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
> sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
> not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
> citizens selected by lot. RH
Thanks for the clarification. What you propose seems very unwieldy and
bureaucratic, and I'm not sure how such intervention could be justified
outside publicly-funded broadcasting companies.
Robert Henderson
<sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
>On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
>> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
>> >
>> >> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> >>
>> >> > 6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
>> >
>> >Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
>> >
>> Only in the geographical sense. The Christianity of Europe is that of
>> Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
>> East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
>> RH
>
>Since when are Greece and Roman, Britain. My whole point was that the
>pagan Anglo-Saxon/British population were converted by foreign
>missionaries.
>
Dr. Sunil
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205163701.25323S-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >
> >> >> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> >>
> >> >> > 6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
> >> >
> >> >Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
> >> >
> >> Only in the geographical sense. The Christianity of Europe is that of
> >> Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
> >> East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
> >> RH
> >
> >Since when are Greece and Roman, Britain. My whole point was that the
> >pagan Anglo-Saxon/British population were converted by foreign
> >missionaries.
> >
> Really? Care to point to where it says that in your original post? RH
An imported Mid-East cult.
Dr. Sunil
> In article <b1r6cb$157lt2$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
> <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> >> immigration.
> >
> >How would you 'force' such a debate,
>
> Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
> the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
> mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
> Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
> sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
> not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
> citizens selected by lot. RH
How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
Henderson!
jackkincaid
Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>...
> 1. Quit EU>
> 2. End immigration & deport immigrants. >
> 3. Repeal all race-related legislation &
> 4. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race
> 5. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
I snipped the rest because they were repetitions.
1. Quitting the EU would damage our economy and would destroy the
freedoms we have within the rest of the EU, by right of our
membership.
2. This is simply absurd. We have a shortage of nurses and you want to
deport half of the ones we have. What exactly is an 'iimigrant'
anyway? Is a white Zimbabwean an immigrant in your terms, but not a
black one? Should we 'deport' the children of immigrants? If not, why
should we deport the immigrants themselves? This is the striking of
attitudes. Unless you're preapred to be specific, you're wasting
everyone's time.
3. The only contentious race-related legislation I'm aware of is
concerned with racial abuse and aggravated assault. If you can prove
that by repealling such legislation the country would be made less
violent, you might have a case.
4. I don't want to live in a country in which the 'media' is forced to
do anything, thanks. Those days are long gone.
5. 'Promote our native culture' is a meaningless phrase. I can
probably trace my ancestors in England back further than you, but my
culture is utterly different to yours. I would agree that Britsih
history as taught in schools should be primarily about the history of
Britain, and as far as I know it is. Beyond that I don't know what
you're talking about.
The usual querrelous list of whining complaint we've heard from
Henderson and his ilk for years now. He still isn't getting any
pleasure out of life, he's still using tired old slogans and
brain-dead propagandist buzz-phrases to impress the children. Oh dear.
Never mind.
Certic
Robert Henderson <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> the EU and repudiation of any other treaty which constrains our control
> of our borders.
Such as NATO which forces us to host foreign soldiers under
extra-territoriality rules similar to those enjoyed by foreign merchants in
the dying days of imperial China.
---------
7. Little yellow stars.
--
You are Not entering Chapeltown.
We walk on two legs, the one abstract
the other surreal.
"Do not stand in our way: we will walk around you"
- the 'Perky Goth Manifesto'
--
Robin Carmody
> Break up the incestuous nature of
> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
> the media.
For my sins, I actually sympathise with this piece of Hendersonia.
RC
Robert Henderson
by Greeks and Romans incidentally. RH
Robert Henderson
<sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
Robert Henderson
jackkincaid <theov...@another.com> writes
>I'll make it clearer for you:
>
>Q+E...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>...
>> 1. Quit EU>
>> 2. End immigration & deport immigrants. >
>> 3. Repeal all race-related legislation &
>> 4. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race
>> 5. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
>
>I snipped the rest because they were repetitions.
>
>1. Quitting the EU would damage our economy and would destroy the
>freedoms we have within the rest of the EU, by right of our
>membership.
>
>2. This is simply absurd. We have a shortage of nurses and you want to
>deport half of the ones we have.
Eh?????? RH
>What exactly is an 'iimigrant'
>anyway? Is a white Zimbabwean an immigrant in your terms,
We shall take in our own. RH
> but not a
>black one? Should we 'deport' the children of immigrants?
The children of illegals, yes. RH
>If not, why
>should we deport the immigrants themselves? This is the striking of
>attitudes. Unless you're preapred to be specific, you're wasting
>everyone's time.
>
>3. The only contentious race-related legislation I'm aware of is
>concerned with racial abuse and aggravated assault.
The RRA, the 1986 Public Order Act, racial aggravating circumstances
for any crime, provisions under the 2002 anti-Terrorist legislation.,
RH
>If you can prove
>that by repealling such legislation the country would be made less
>violent, you might have a case.
>
>4. I don't want to live in a country in which the 'media' is forced to
>do anything,
Such as be fair? Of course you don't. That would break the liberal bigot
censorship. RH
> thanks. Those days are long gone.
>
>5. 'Promote our native culture' is a meaningless phrase. I can
>probably trace my ancestors in England back further than you,
What an absurd statement when you know nothing of my history. RH
> but my
>culture is utterly different to yours. I would agree that Britsih
>history as taught in schools should be primarily about the history of
>Britain, and as far as I know it is. Beyond that I don't know what
>you're talking about.
>
>The usual querrelous list of whining complaint we've heard from
>Henderson and his ilk for years now. He still isn't getting any
>pleasure out of life, he's still using tired old slogans and
>brain-dead propagandist buzz-phrases to impress the children. Oh dear.
Routine liberal bigot quasi-religious hate mantra
RH
>
>Never mind.
Robert Henderson
<P...@winwaed.demon.co.uk> writes
>> 1. Regain control of our borders. This requires our withdrawal from
>> the EU and repudiation of any other treaty which constrains our control
>> of our borders.
>---------
>Such as NATO which forces us to host foreign soldiers under
>extra-territoriality rules similar to those enjoyed by foreign merchants in
>the dying days of imperial China.
>---------
I would end Nato tomorrow. It was always a confidence trick because the
USA would never have attacked Soviet Forces if they felt that nuclear
weapons would come into play. Now, Nato is not merely a sham but a
positively invitation to American aggression under its figleaf. RH
Ah, I see you are a secret anti-semite. RH
LLX
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205174002.15424C-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <b1r6cb$157lt2$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
> >> <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
> >> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> >> >> immigration.
> >> >
> >> >How would you 'force' such a debate,
> >>
> >> Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
> >> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
> >> the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
> >> mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
> >> Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
> >> sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
> >> not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
> >> citizens selected by lot. RH
> >
> >How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
> >Henderson!
>
> On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
How does this promote free speech?
It creates more red tape than a New Labour policy and would be
unworkable for less popular media (it's all well and good regulating
the Daily Mail and the Guardian like this, but how about the Berkshire
Evening News?).
And what about tracts by specific political groups? Would you allow
the Socialist Worker to carry on publishing as it is, or would you
force them to carry articles entitled "why I think Socialism is that
great after all" by Lord Tebbit? And what if those people aren't
prepared to work for free or for a nominal fee? Would you expect a
newspaper to pay good money to convince someone to come and disagree
with them?
I understand your point, and I can see how it could be considered a
good idea for some BBC output, but wouldn't it make the media rather
dull? Who'd read The Sun if they were forced to say "Let's get rid of
all these bloody immigrants, umm... that is, unless it's not a good
idea to do so. And here's Polly Toynbee to tell us why we shoudln't".
Simon
LLXSDG
PS I've got no idea whether Polly Toynbee is really in favour of
immigration.
LLX
Well, painting the kids blue and recreating old native rituals would
probably be more enjoyable than a nativity play, but I'm not too sure
about the human sacrifices...
Simon
LLXSDG
Joseph Hutcheon
news:c6fc2ea9.0302...@posting.google.com...
They'd olny be 'reconstructions', like they do on Crimewatch and stuff.
No-one would actually be killed, unless they were *really* bad.
LLX
I think he means that you should just add a pro-British opinion on the
end of everything... "And many British soldiers died on the first day
of the Somme, and that was a bad thing. But many German soldiers died
as well, and that was a good thing!"
Either that or he's thinking of those courses that exist in America
like Black History, where they teach the kids about the civil rights
movements and specific black community leaders. How exactly White
History would differ from the history of Britain as taught in schools
now, I'm not sure....
Simon
LLXSDG
Dr. Sunil
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205174002.15424C-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <b1r6cb$157lt2$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
> >> <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
> >> >"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
> >> >> immigration.
> >> >
> >> >How would you 'force' such a debate,
> >>
> >> Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
> >> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
> >> the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
> >> mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
> >> Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
> >> sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
> >> not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
> >> citizens selected by lot. RH
> >
> >How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
> >Henderson!
>
> On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
'Force the media'? You and whose army?
Dr. Sunil
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205173923.15424B-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205163701.25323S-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030205151535.25323A-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:0tojBiAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > 6. Promote our native culture, history and values in the schools.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Isn't Christianity just another imported Middle-Eastern cult?
> >> >> >
> >> >> Only in the geographical sense. The Christianity of Europe is that of
> >> >> Paul, a Romanised Jew. Judea was also much Romanised and the Middle
> >> >> East and eastern North Africa had long been much influenced by Greece.
> >> >> RH
> >> >
> >> >Since when are Greece and Roman, Britain. My whole point was that the
> >> >pagan Anglo-Saxon/British population were converted by foreign
> >> >missionaries.
> >> >
> >> Really? Care to point to where it says that in your original post? RH
> >
> >An imported Mid-East cult.
> >
> And? That says nothing about Britain.
Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
Sea.
> The cult was imported to Britain
> by Greeks and Romans incidentally. RH
But Christianity didn't originate in either Italy or Greece. Both
countries sold their souls to the new-fangled Christ-Fetish.
Robert Henderson
<sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
>> >
>> >How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
>> >Henderson!
>>
>> On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
>
>'Force the media'? You and whose army?
The power of democracy. RH
Robert Henderson
<sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
>> >
>> And? That says nothing about Britain.
>
>Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
>Sea.
>
>> The cult was imported to Britain
>> by Greeks and Romans incidentally. RH
>
>But Christianity didn't originate in either Italy or Greece. Both
>countries sold their souls to the new-fangled Christ-Fetish.
I have already dealt with that point, Your Hindu nationalism is showing.
Paul Hyett
wrote :
>> >> 5. Force the media to allow free debate on the issue of race and
>> >> immigration.
>> >
>> >How would you 'force' such a debate,
>>
>> Introduce a statutory right of reply. Break up the incestuous nature of
>> the mass media by forbidding more than one member of a family to work in
>> the media. Lay down maximum percentages in an organisation for
>> mediafolk being drawn from a particular educational establishment.
>> Monitor the coverage - particularly the BBC's - to ensure that both
>> sides of a policy debate are heard. Remove editors and producers who do
>> not produce balance. Balance to be decided by juries of ordinary
>> citizens selected by lot. RH
>
>Thanks for the clarification. What you propose seems very unwieldy and
>bureaucratic
I was thinking the same thing.
>, and I'm not sure how such intervention could be justified
>outside publicly-funded broadcasting companies.
>
I don't see any way it could be.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England
Dr. Sunil
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144750.5355G-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >
> >> >How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
> >> >Henderson!
> >>
> >> On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
> >
> >'Force the media'? You and whose army?
>
> The power of democracy. RH
'Democracy' and 'force' are rather mutually exclusive, are they not?
Dr. Sunil
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144820.5355H-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >
> >> And? That says nothing about Britain.
> >
> >Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
> >Sea.
> >
> And? RH
The Anglo-Saxon tribe was originally non-Christian, until converted by
foreign missionaries.
Jonathan Bratt
<j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes>news:b1r7it$164j9g$1...@ID-19198.news.dfncis.de...
>>
>> "Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >>>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
>> >>>'free'?
>>
>> >>The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
>>
>> >Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
>>
>
>There's me and JNugent. Robert Henderson says he was born in Cheshire
We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
--
Jonathan Bratt
jackkincaid
> >1. Quitting the EU would damage our economy and would destroy the
> >freedoms we have within the rest of the EU, by right of our
> >membership.
> >
> A religious statement by a eurofantic. RH
Whatever.
>
> >2. This is simply absurd. We have a shortage of nurses and you want to
> >deport half of the ones we have.
>
> Eh?????? RH
Half the nurses we have have a skin tone off the 'permissable' range
of your race swatch.
>
> >What exactly is an 'iimigrant'
> >anyway? Is a white Zimbabwean an immigrant in your terms,
>
> We shall take in our own. RH
I know I'm going to regret this, because you are incapable of giving a
straight answer, but what does 'our' 'own' mean?
Who is 'our', who is 'own'?
> > but not a
> >black one? Should we 'deport' the children of immigrants?
>
> The children of illegals, yes. RH
The children of illegals who themselves have British citizenship, by
virtue of being born here? Which legal principle would we be adopting
that we punish the children for the crimes of the parents? What if
they had been adopted?
And who are the 'illegals' in the first place? Given that you've just
implied that anyone entering the country would be doing so illegaly if
their race is of the 'wrong' kind.
>
> >If not, why
> >should we deport the immigrants themselves? This is the striking of
> >attitudes. Unless you're preapred to be specific, you're wasting
> >everyone's time.
> >
> >3. The only contentious race-related legislation I'm aware of is
> >concerned with racial abuse and aggravated assault.
>
> The RRA, the 1986 Public Order Act, racial aggravating circumstances
> for any crime, provisions under the 2002 anti-Terrorist legislation.,
> RH
The first three are concerned with the same things, racial abuse and
aggravated assault. I'm not aware of anything racially contentious
about recent anti-terrorism legislation.
>
> >If you can prove
> >that by repealling such legislation the country would be made less
> >violent, you might have a case.
I'll take it by the lack of an answer that no such evidence is
available.
> >
> >4. I don't want to live in a country in which the 'media' is forced to
> >do anything,
>
> Such as be fair?
By who's definition of 'fair'? If you and your friends are to be
grantred the power to impose your notions of 'fairness' on themedia,
and presumably on every forum of free speech and debate we have, I'm
afraid I shall demand the same. And we will have civil war.
Much better, therefore, simply to allow the media independence from
government and the right to conduct debate as they see fit.
I'm not about to support the use of my taxes to fund a Secretariat of
Public Information, presided over by Robert Henderson, to threaten and
bully media editors to publish your ballsaching jargon-spattered
'editorials'. I'll live that to the Iraqis, thanks.
The accident of birth by which you have a white skin doesn't give you
any particular insight into the thoughts of the rest of us. You can
only speak for yourself, and your ideas and prejudices will be
dependent on your experiences, which thank the Lord sir, will be quite
different from mine. If you want to test the popularity of those
prejudices, start your own newspaper. And don't forget to let us know
how long it takes to piss your pension down the drain.
> Of course you don't. That would break the liberal bigot
> censorship. RH
Well you did pretty well up til then. Half a post before resorting to
meaningless slogans.
>
> > thanks. Those days are long gone.
> >
> >5. 'Promote our native culture' is a meaningless phrase. I can
> >probably trace my ancestors in England back further than you,
>
> What an absurd statement when you know nothing of my history. RH
And you needn't tell me either. My point wasn't personal - your
personal life doesn't interest me I'm afraid - it's general, and it is
this: you cannot claim by proof of Britishness or Englishness, if that
is to be defined by the length of time your family has existed in this
country, that you speak for Britain or England, or any part thereof -
save for that minority which shares your prejdices, irrespective of
their family backgrounds.
In other words you speak for racism ('race realism' is your current
slogan I believe), not the country.
Robert Henderson
Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
Christianity before Augustine came- Christianity did not come to England
with Augustine. After Augustine, English missionaries went to Germany
and converted many. RH
Robert Henderson
Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
>
>
Robert Henderson
<jonny...@aol.com> writes
But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
Millbank. RH
Jonathan Bratt
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <ncp6m$tY$qQ+...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>>In message <b1r7sf$145q3d$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
>><j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
>>>"Zer0" <ze...@bigwig.net> wrote in message
>>>news:b1r7it$164j9g$1...@ID-19198.news.dfncis.de...
>>>>
>>>> "Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
>>>> >>>'free'?
>>>>
>>>> >>The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
>>>>
>>>> >Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
>>>>
>>>> I thought you were the Scouse git.
>>>
>>>There's me and JNugent. Robert Henderson says he was born in Cheshire
>>
>>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>
>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>Millbank. RH
I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
--
Jonathan Bratt
Dr. Sunil
Would that be the West Wilmslow Ghetto?
Dr. Sunil
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030206184102.24755F-100000@biochem>, Dr.
> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144750.5355G-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >> >
> >> >> >How authoritarian of you, Robert! No Freedom of Speech on Planet
> >> >> >Henderson!
> >> >>
> >> >> On the contrary freedom of speech at last. RH
> >> >
> >> >'Force the media'? You and whose army?
> >>
> >> The power of democracy. RH
> >
> >'Democracy' and 'force' are rather mutually exclusive, are they not?
> >
> Not at all. Any democracy has to pass laws which constrain people. RH
But constraints on the media surely constitute a lack of Free Speech.
Dr. Sunil
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030206184147.24755G-100000@biochem>, Dr.
> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144820.5355H-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >> >
> >> >> And? That says nothing about Britain.
> >> >
> >> >Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
> >> >Sea.
> >> >
> >> And? RH
> >
> >The Anglo-Saxon tribe was originally non-Christian, until converted by
> >foreign missionaries.
> >
> Very complicated. Some of the Anglo-Saxon settlers converted to
> Christianity before Augustine came- Christianity did not come to England
> with Augustine. After Augustine, English missionaries went to Germany
> and converted many. RH
But Christianity is nonetheless foreign to the shores.
Jonathan Bratt
Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
<whisper>
we don't talk about that place in Wilmslow
</whisper>
--
Jonathan Bratt
Robin Carmody
Not even I am that much of a poser, and I listen to Westwood every weekend,
which I doubt whether Jonathan does :).
RC
Robin Carmody
Sale, is it? Altrincham? Even Stockport?
I'd like to be that close to Alan Garner country (my email address should
already have given that away to those smart enough).
RC
Robert Henderson
>> >deport half of the ones we have.
>>
>> Eh?????? RH
>
>Half the nurses we have have a skin tone off the 'permissable' range
>of your race swatch.
>>
Where have I suggested that all blacks and Asians be deported? RH
>> >What exactly is an 'iimigrant'
>> >anyway? Is a white Zimbabwean an immigrant in your terms,
>>
>> We shall take in our own. RH
>
>I know I'm going to regret this, because you are incapable of giving a
>straight answer, but what does 'our' 'own' mean?
>
Those able to assimilate effortlessly into our country. RH
>Who is 'our', who is 'own'?
>
>> > but not a
>> >black one? Should we 'deport' the children of immigrants?
>>
>> The children of illegals, yes. RH
>
>The children of illegals who themselves have British citizenship
Illegally. RH
>, by
>virtue of being born here? Which legal principle would we be adopting
>that we punish the children for the crimes of the parents?
We deport the children of immigrants where the children were not born
here. What's the moral difference? RH
>What if
>they had been adopted?
>
Hard cases make bad law. RH
>And who are the 'illegals' in the first place?
Anyone without a legal right to stay. RH
> Given that you've just
>implied that anyone entering the country would be doing so illegaly if
>their race is of the 'wrong' kind.
>>
That does not follow. For example, a university student of any
background could come quite legitimately for the period of their
course. RH
>> >If not, why
>> >should we deport the immigrants themselves? This is the striking of
>> >attitudes. Unless you're preapred to be specific, you're wasting
>> >everyone's time.
>> >
>> >3. The only contentious race-related legislation I'm aware of is
>> >concerned with racial abuse and aggravated assault.
>>
>> The RRA, the 1986 Public Order Act, racial aggravating circumstances
>> for any crime, provisions under the 2002 anti-Terrorist legislation.,
>> RH
>
>The first three are concerned with the same things, racial abuse and
>aggravated assault. I'm not aware of anything racially contentious
>about recent anti-terrorism legislation.
>>
Then I suggest you read it. RH
>> >If you can prove
>> >that by repealling such legislation the country would be made less
>> >violent, you might have a case.
>
>I'll take it by the lack of an answer that no such evidence is
>available.
>> >
The country would be much freer. RH
>> >4. I don't want to live in a country in which the 'media' is forced to
>> >do anything,
>>
>> Such as be fair?
>
>By who's definition of 'fair'?
The definition of hear all sides. RH
> If you and your friends are to be
>grantred the power to impose your notions of 'fairness' on themedia,
>and presumably on every forum of free speech and debate we have, I'm
>afraid I shall demand the same
Your view would have public expression as matter of policy under my
regime. RH
>. And we will have civil war.
>
>Much better, therefore, simply to allow the media independence from
>government and the right to conduct debate as they see fit.
>
>I'm not about to support the use of my taxes to fund a Secretariat of
>Public Information, presided over by Robert Henderson, to threaten and
>bully media editors to publish your ballsaching jargon-spattered
>'editorials'. I'll live that to the Iraqis, thanks.
>
Oh dear, it's way past your bedtime. RH
>The accident of birth by which you have a white skin doesn't give you
>any particular insight into the thoughts of the rest of us.
Oh yes it does. It means I mix with those of a similar race without
racial barriers between us. RH
>You can
>only speak for yourself, and your ideas and prejudices will be
>dependent on your experiences, which thank the Lord sir, will be quite
>different from mine. If you want to test the popularity of those
>prejudices, start your own newspaper. And don't forget to let us know
>how long it takes to piss your pension down the drain.
>
>> Of course you don't. That would break the liberal bigot
>> censorship. RH
>
>Well you did pretty well up til then. Half a post before resorting to
>meaningless slogans.
>>
I note you post a meaningless slogan. RH
>> > thanks. Those days are long gone.
>> >
>> >5. 'Promote our native culture' is a meaningless phrase. I can
>> >probably trace my ancestors in England back further than you,
>>
>> What an absurd statement when you know nothing of my history. RH
>
>And you needn't tell me either. My point wasn't personal - your
>personal life doesn't interest me I'm afraid - it's general, and it is
>this: you cannot claim by proof of Britishness or Englishness, if that
>is to be defined by the length of time your family has existed in this
>country, that you speak for Britain or England,
Oh yes I can. Being a part of a culture means one may safely make
general comments based on one's knowledge of it. RH
> or any part thereof -
>save for that minority which shares your prejdices, irrespective of
>their family backgrounds.
>
>In other words you speak for racism ('race realism' is your current
>slogan I believe), not the country.
--
Robert Henderson
<jonny...@aol.com> writes
>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>>
>>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>>Millbank. RH
>
>I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>--
office in Water Lane and ask Commissioner Thomas when he is going to
answer my letter of 20 January 2003. RH
Robert Henderson
Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
>
>
>On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030206184147.24755G-100000@biochem>, Dr.
>> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144820.5355H-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
>> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> And? That says nothing about Britain.
>> >> >
>> >> >Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
>> >> >Sea.
>> >> >
>> >> And? RH
>> >
>> >The Anglo-Saxon tribe was originally non-Christian, until converted by
>> >foreign missionaries.
>> >
>> Very complicated. Some of the Anglo-Saxon settlers converted to
>> Christianity before Augustine came- Christianity did not come to England
>> with Augustine. After Augustine, English missionaries went to Germany
>> and converted many. RH
>
>But Christianity is nonetheless foreign to the shores.
>
So is Hinduism and Islam to the sub-continent and Buddhism to SE Asia.
Next! RH
Robert Henderson
Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
>Democracy' and 'force' are rather mutually exclusive, are they not?
>> >
>> Not at all. Any democracy has to pass laws which constrain people. RH
>
>But constraints on the media surely constitute a lack of Free Speech.
>
sure that both sides of an argument are heard. RH
Jonathan Bratt
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <lmGaYUMm...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>>>
>>>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>>>Millbank. RH
>>
>>I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>>--
>Good, you can do me a favour. Pop into the Information Commissioner's
>office in Water Lane and ask Commissioner Thomas when he is going to
>answer my letter of 20 January 2003. RH
I am sure you would put it so much more eloquently yourself. And it's
not been that long after all - maybe he's been away ski-ing?
--
Jonathan Bratt
Jonathan Bratt
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
Wilmslow is just south of Mcr, near Mcr airport, 'tho technically in
Cheshire. Stockport was where I was born and dragged up.
Very much Alan Garner country which is the next village along, Alderley
Edge. Fabulous walks around the Edge which is where the' Weirdstone' is
based, and I have visited Merlin's Well many times.
--
Jonathan Bratt
Jonathan Bratt
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
Is it like 'The Archers'?
--
Jonathan Bratt
Robert Henderson
<jonny...@aol.com> writes
>In message <oyrU2WAN...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <lmGaYUMm...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
>><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>>>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>>>>
>>>>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>>>>Millbank. RH
>>>
>>>I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>>>--
>>Good, you can do me a favour. Pop into the Information Commissioner's
>>office in Water Lane and ask Commissioner Thomas when he is going to
>>answer my letter of 20 January 2003. RH
>
>I am sure you would put it so much more eloquently yourself.
Doubtless but beyond the point. This is merely a chase up. A man turning
up at an office is worth a dozen letters. RH
>And it's
>not been that long after all - maybe he's been away ski-ing?
No excuses, Jonathan. Wilmslow is a small place, so you can easily
toddle down there. RH
Robin Carmody
No. It is politically important, though it might not seem so.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/westwood
RC
Robin Carmody
> In message <b21sd2$nrh$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >Jonathan Bratt wrote:
> >
> >> In message <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030207202423.26510B-100000@biochem>, Dr.
> >> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jonathan Bratt wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and
> >previously
> >> >> >Millbank. RH
> >> >>
> >> >> I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
> >> >
> >> >Would that be the West Wilmslow Ghetto?
> >> >
> >> That would be the Lacey Green estate
> >>
> >> <whisper>
> >> we don't talk about that place in Wilmslow
> >> </whisper>
> >
> >Sale, is it? Altrincham? Even Stockport?
> >
> >I'd like to be that close to Alan Garner country (my email address should
> >already have given that away to those smart enough).
>
> Wilmslow is just south of Mcr, near Mcr airport, 'tho technically in
> Cheshire. Stockport was where I was born and dragged up.
Stockport was in Cheshire until 1974 though, wasn't it?
> Very much Alan Garner country which is the next village along, Alderley
> Edge. Fabulous walks around the Edge which is where the' Weirdstone' is
> based, and I have visited Merlin's Well many times.
Oh, how I envy you!
Those books, and their setting, were inspirational to nine-year-old me.
They were probably among the key factors leading me here.
RC
Jonathan Bratt
>In article <6e6dWz2S...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>>In message <oyrU2WAN...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
>><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>In article <lmGaYUMm...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
>>><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>>>>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>>>>>
>>>>>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>>>>>Millbank. RH
>>>>
>>>>I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>>>>--
>>>Good, you can do me a favour. Pop into the Information Commissioner's
>>>office in Water Lane and ask Commissioner Thomas when he is going to
>>>answer my letter of 20 January 2003. RH
>>
>>I am sure you would put it so much more eloquently yourself.
>
>Doubtless but beyond the point. This is merely a chase up. A man turning
>up at an office is worth a dozen letters. RH
>
>
>>And it's
>>not been that long after all - maybe he's been away ski-ing?
>
>No excuses, Jonathan. Wilmslow is a small place, so you can easily
>toddle down there. RH
If I find the time on Monday - I am back down to London on Monday
afternoon - I just might!
--
Jonathan Bratt
Jonathan Bratt
>Jonathan Bratt wrote:
>
>> In message <b21sa0$5k3$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
>> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> >Dr. Sunil wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jonathan Bratt wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>> >>
>> >> Would that be the West Wilmslow Ghetto?
>> >
>> >Not even I am that much of a poser, and I listen to Westwood every
>weekend,
>> >which I doubt whether Jonathan does :).
>>
>> Is it like 'The Archers'?
>
>No. It is politically important, though it might not seem so.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/westwood
Aaarrrgh! Rap!
What is the significance of the West Wilmslow Ghetto, pray?
--
Jonathan Bratt
Jonathan Bratt
>Jonathan Bratt wrote:
>
>Stockport was in Cheshire until 1974 though, wasn't it?
I think so - many people there still think - or wish - it was.
>
>> Very much Alan Garner country which is the next village along, Alderley
>> Edge. Fabulous walks around the Edge which is where the' Weirdstone' is
>> based, and I have visited Merlin's Well many times.
>
>Oh, how I envy you!
>
>Those books, and their setting, were inspirational to nine-year-old me.
>They were probably among the key factors leading me here.
There were quite wonderful books, and the scenery and environment round
the park is wonderful, with abandoned mines, atmospheric woods and
stunning views over the Cheshire Plain. The Well of course is where
Merlin supposedly struck the rock in the legend when he bought the pure
white horse from the unsuccessful farmer, to reveal Arthur and his
sleeping knights. I walloped it often as a kid with - sadly - no result.
Hope I didn't give them a headache. There used to be regular gatherings
there on Halloween which could get quite interesting.
Nowadays there is the added bonus of running into the Divine David when
Victoria lets him out on his own....
--
Jonathan Bratt
Dr. Sunil
> In article <6e6dWz2S...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
> <jonny...@aol.com> writes
> >In message <oyrU2WAN...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
> ><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>In article <lmGaYUMm...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
> >><jonny...@aol.com> writes
> >>>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
> >>>>
> >>>>But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
> >>>>Millbank. RH
> >>>
> >>>I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
> >>>--
> >>Good, you can do me a favour. Pop into the Information Commissioner's
> >>office in Water Lane and ask Commissioner Thomas when he is going to
> >>answer my letter of 20 January 2003. RH
> >
> >I am sure you would put it so much more eloquently yourself.
>
> Doubtless but beyond the point. This is merely a chase up. A man turning
> up at an office is worth a dozen letters. RH
>
>
> >And it's
> >not been that long after all - maybe he's been away ski-ing?
>
> No excuses, Jonathan. Wilmslow is a small place, so you can easily
> toddle down there. RH
Why don't you toddle back up there if you're so fed up with multi-cultural
London?
Robin Carmody
He won't, you know. He wants to "remain on the front line" (snigger).
RC
Robin Carmody
> In message <b2396v$tt3$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >Jonathan Bratt wrote:
> >
> >> In message <b21sa0$5k3$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> >> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >> >Dr. Sunil wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jonathan Bratt wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Would that be the West Wilmslow Ghetto?
> >> >
> >> >Not even I am that much of a poser, and I listen to Westwood every
> >weekend,
> >> >which I doubt whether Jonathan does :).
> >>
> >> Is it like 'The Archers'?
> >
> >No. It is politically important, though it might not seem so.
> >
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/urban/westwood
>
> Aaarrrgh! Rap!
Oh God, you're one of those ...
> What is the significance of the West Wilmslow Ghetto, pray?
It is a standing joke in certain circles (much exaggerated IMO) that callers
to Westwood's show talk in such language.
RC
Jonathan Bratt
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> Aaarrrgh! Rap!
>
>Oh God, you're one of those ...
Rap is about the only form of music I cannot stand. Never could, never
will.
>
>> What is the significance of the West Wilmslow Ghetto, pray?
>
>It is a standing joke in certain circles (much exaggerated IMO) that
>callers to Westwood's show talk in such language.
Gin and jag talk or imitation black street talk?
--
Jonathan Bratt
little_plantinga
> In message <b23tpp$4nl$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >> Aaarrrgh! Rap!
> >
> >Oh God, you're one of those ...
>
> Rap is about the only form of music I cannot stand. Never could, never
> will.
That makes two of us. It has no melody.
Robin Carmody
> In message <b23tpp$4nl$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> >
> >> What is the significance of the West Wilmslow Ghetto, pray?
> >
> >It is a standing joke in certain circles (much exaggerated IMO) that
> >callers to Westwood's show talk in such language.
>
> Gin and jag talk or imitation black street talk?
The latter.
RC
Jonathan Bratt
>Jonathan Bratt wrote:
>
>> In message <b23tpp$4nl$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
>> <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>> >
>> >> What is the significance of the West Wilmslow Ghetto, pray?
>> >
>> >It is a standing joke in certain circles (much exaggerated IMO) that
>> >callers to Westwood's show talk in such language.
>>
>> Gin and jag talk or imitation black street talk?
>
>The latter.
Thanks. It reminds me of a police officer many year ago - who defended
his decision to stop and search non-whites - on the grounds that 'black
people don't live in Wilmslow'! They do.
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Jonathan Bratt
Joe
wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jonathan Bratt wrote:
>
>> In message <VK4bIKAC...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
>> <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>> >In article <ncp6m$tY$qQ+...@aol.com>, Jonathan Bratt
>> ><jonny...@aol.com> writes
>> >>In message <b1r7sf$145q3d$1...@ID-102840.news.dfncis.de>, Joseph Hutcheon
>> >><j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> writes
>> >>>"Zer0" <ze...@bigwig.net> wrote in message
>> >>>news:b1r7it$164j9g$1...@ID-19198.news.dfncis.de...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Joseph Hutcheon" <j.hut...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>How would you 'force' such a debate, and how would you ensure it was
>> >>>> >>>'free'?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>The same way all Liverpudlians do. Push your way in and don't pay.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Are you implying that Robert is a Scouser?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I thought you were the Scouse git.
>> >>>
>> >>>There's me and JNugent. Robert Henderson says he was born in Cheshire
>> >>
>> >>We only have nice people here in Cheshire.
>> >
>> >But you don't live in Cheshire. You live in Old Queens St and previously
>> >Millbank. RH
>>
>> I is posting from Wilmslow where I is temporarily residing.
>
>Would that be the West Wilmslow Ghetto?
I believe that's quite a rough area.... full of Man United stars and
Coronation Street actors.
"Ay up, we're just off t'local wine bar for one of Betty's spritzers".
Joe
Dr. Sunil
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030207202742.26510D-100000@biochem>, Dr.
> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.95q.1030206184147.24755G-100000@biochem>, Dr.
> >> Sunil <sp...@bc.ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030206144820.5355H-100000@bccmsa>, Dr. Sunil
> >> >> <sp...@ic.ac.uk> writes
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> And? That says nothing about Britain.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Celts were Pagan, as were the Angles and Saxons on both sides of the North
> >> >> >Sea.
> >> >> >
> >> >> And? RH
> >> >
> >> >The Anglo-Saxon tribe was originally non-Christian, until converted by
> >> >foreign missionaries.
> >> >
> >> Very complicated. Some of the Anglo-Saxon settlers converted to
> >> Christianity before Augustine came- Christianity did not come to England
> >> with Augustine. After Augustine, English missionaries went to Germany
> >> and converted many. RH
> >
> >But Christianity is nonetheless foreign to the shores.
> >
>
> So is Hinduism and Islam to the sub-continent and Buddhism to SE Asia.
> Next! RH
Hinduism is pretty much native to India (hint - there aren't any Hindu
countries in Central Asia). The start date of Hindu civilization is
traditionally given as 6676BC, a date that accords well with the
archaeologically attested date (c.7000BC) of the oldest real 'town' in
the Subcontinent, Mehrgarh in Baluchistan. Another intriguing bit of
archaeology is that the first settlers in Mehrgarh have teeth showing
the 'Sundadont' features of SE Asians. Also genetic links exist
between SE Asians and both north and south India. Also, rice appears
to have first been cultivated in south Thailand (9,000 years ago)
before it reached India or China.
Anyway, why complain about 'foreign' religions reaching these shores?
Robert Henderson
<dr_suni...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>
>> So is Hinduism and Islam to the sub-continent and Buddhism to SE Asia.
>> Next! RH
>
>
>Hinduism is pretty much native to India (
>countries in Central Asia).
That is because the peoples of Bactria converted to Islam. RH
>The start date of Hindu civilization is
>traditionally given as 6676BC, a date that accords well with the
>archaeologically attested date (c.7000BC) of the oldest real 'town' in
>the Subcontinent, Mehrgarh in Baluchistan. Another intriguing bit of
>archaeology is that the first settlers in Mehrgarh have teeth showing
>the 'Sundadont' features of SE Asians. Also genetic links exist
>between SE Asians and both north and south India. Also, rice appears
>to have first been cultivated in south Thailand (9,000 years ago)
>before it reached India or China.
>
>Anyway, why complain about 'foreign' religions reaching these shores?
It was your original point about England. RH
Dr. Sunil
> In article <9bab4539.03021...@posting.google.com>, Dr. Sunil
> <dr_suni...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >>
> >> So is Hinduism and Islam to the sub-continent and Buddhism to SE Asia.
> >> Next! RH
> >
> >
> >Hinduism is pretty much native to India (
> Development of the Aryan invaders. RH
> >hint - there aren't any Hindu
> >countries in Central Asia).
>
> That is because the peoples of Bactria converted to Islam. RH
And? Mehrgarh isn't in Bactria.
Dr. Sunil
> In article <9bab4539.03021...@posting.google.com>, Dr. Sunil
> <dr_suni...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >>
> >> So is Hinduism and Islam to the sub-continent and Buddhism to SE Asia.
> >> Next! RH
> >
> >
> >Hinduism is pretty much native to India (
> Development of the Aryan invaders. RH
Nearly 9,000 years ago?
Robert Henderson
>> Development of the Aryan invaders. RH
>> >hint - there aren't any Hindu
>> >countries in Central Asia).
>>
>> That is because the peoples of Bactria converted to Islam. RH
>
>And? Mehrgarh isn't in Bactria.
>
You said central Asia. That is Bactria. RH
Robert Henderson
>> Development of the Aryan invaders. RH
>
>Nearly 9,000 years ago?
Whenever. RH
JNugent
|| ...It reminds me of a police officer many year ago - who
|| defended his decision to stop and search non-whites - on the
|| grounds that 'black people don't live in Wilmslow'! They do.
What? *All* of them?
Bloody 'ell... they go a long way to work, don't they?
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