We want Berwick Upon Tweed back.
Robert Peffers
English. It is time Scotland took it back under Scottish control. After all
people of Berwick Upon Tweed are Scots and should have the benefits that
being Scottish brings. The free care for the elderly and the University fees
are only a few of these benefits.
Berwick never was part of England and the belief that it was stems from an
ignorance of, "The Treaty of Perpetual Peace", 1502/1503.
In this legally binding document the town of Berwick Upon Tweed was retained
as part of Scotland but the administration of the town transferred to
England. As late as the time of Queen Victoria the treaty was being
recognised.
Queen Victoria signed the declaration of war on Russia in 1853, (Crimean
War), she did so in the name of "Victoria, Queen of Great Britain, Ireland,
Berwick-upon-Tweed and the British Dominions beyond the sea.
However, Berwick was not mentioned in the Treaty of Paris that concluded the
Crimean War in 1856, and this left Berwick Upon Tweed at war with Russia
until a peace treaty was signed by a Russian diplomat and the Mayor of
Berwick in 1966. The Mayor of Berwick Upon Tweed declared at the time: "Tell
the Russian people that they can now sleep peacefully in their beds".
So let's examine several interesting results of all three documents. Berwick
Upon Tweed is still part of Scotland and it has to remain so or the
consequences will result in some very far reaching changes. Not least of
these the line of Royal Ascent of the British monarchy, the recent
annexation of an area of the North Sea by England and every legal document
signed by the Westminster Parliament and indeed the parliament itself.
I base all the above on one simple fact - the Treaty of Perpetual Peace has
never been rescinded for if it had been Berwick Upon Tweed would have come
back under Scottish administration, the Royal Marriage that led to the Union
of the Crowns would have been void and thus the Union of the Parliaments
could not have taken place. So the Treaty of Perpetual Peace may have been
broken, for example by the, Battle Of Flodden Field, but must still be in
force as the Royal accession and hence Victoria's signing of the declaration
of the Crimean War.
So - - - Can we have our town back now?
--
Auld Bob
jon.in.durham
"Robert Peffers" <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Yes, after we burn the fucker to the ground!
Robert Peffers
"jon.in.durham" <j...@no.email.co.uk> wrote in message
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indicates a lack of good vocabulary.
Now you are threatening acts of arson.
You are also setting yourself up as the spokesperson for some group or
other, you use the word, "we", so your are either very stupid or the
spokesperson for a terrorist group.
Burning down towns is an act of terrorism so this information will be
passed to the proper government department.
--
Auld Bob
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
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I am not sure what a numptie is but that troll sure sounds like one.
What a wanker (I learned that one from my English friends). Bob I
think the fact that
the mayor of Berwick Upon Tween signed a peace deal with Russia in
1966 is hilerious. Can you imagiine what THAT meeting was like? : )
On a more serious
note, is there a different administrative set up for Berwick then in
the rest of Scotland? I guess since it is all part of the United
Kingdom I assumed Wales and Scotland and Cornwall and Northern
Ireland, as well as England, were all set up to be administored in the
same way even if they had their own parliment again. The last time I
studied British politics it was in a comparative politics class
(comparing British politics with France, Germany, Russia, China and
Japan) which did not differentiate out Scotland. Good luck with your
fight, I hope you get your town back. In Illinoi, we are constantly
trying to get Chicago seperated from the rest of the state, so we can
run it the way WE want to. I suppose it is like living in the suburbs
of London. There is one big city which has the population to control
the entire state, so what the rest of us want does not matter.
Robert Peffers
"Reverend David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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First off, a numptie is just a very silly person. If point of fact this is
one Scots word now passed on into English.
Another one,that some English think they invented, is Minger, minging.
This is - to give of a bad smell, stinking.
The Berwick/Russian thing was set up as a bit of fun.
On a more serious
note, is there a different administrative set up for Berwick then in
the rest of Scotland?
First up there are two Berwicks - Berwick upon Tweed and North Berwick.
North Berwick is 100% Scottish and Berwick Upon Tweed is totally under
English administration.
English law applies.
Their football team, though, plays in Scotland's setup.
I guess since it is all part of the United
Kingdom I assumed Wales and Scotland and Cornwall and Northern
Ireland, as well as England, were all set up to be administored in the
same way even if they had their own parliment again.
Not quite true, Scotland has her own legal system and her own education
system.
Now we have devolved powers we have certain new differences too.
The English are a bit upset by some things, though.
The Scots OAPs get free home care but the English must pay for theirs. The
Scots government pays the Scottish Student's fees and the legal system has
one great difference.
In England private people can clamp cars parked on their land and demand
large sums in payment to take the clamp off.
In Scotland the clamper is charged with demanding money with menace.
The last time I
studied British politics it was in a comparative politics class
(comparing British politics with France, Germany, Russia, China and
Japan) which did not differentiate out Scotland. Good luck with your
fight, I hope you get your town back. In Illinoi, we are constantly
trying to get Chicago seperated from the rest of the state, so we can
run it the way WE want to. I suppose it is like living in the suburbs
of London. There is one big city which has the population to control
the entire state, so what the rest of us want does not matter.
Actually the Berwick thing is a bit of a leg-pull but in fact the people in
Berwick have held a vote, (it was televised), on whether to be part of
Scotland or England. They narrowly voted to be Scottish.
--
Auld Bob
deem...@aol.com
Trade you Chicago for Memphis.
The Phantom Piper
Trade you all of Tennessee for Haiti,
or the Entire South for Siberia...
Making *Fabulous* Deals,
The Phantom Piper
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
Sorry, you'll have to make a better offer. Forget California,
Haiti is a more attractive offer.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
"Robert Peffers" <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Berwick Upon Tweed, and hence the Scottish/English Border, is not legally
> English. It is time Scotland took it back under Scottish control. After
> all people of Berwick Upon Tweed are Scots and should have the benefits
> that being Scottish brings. The free care for the elderly and the
> University fees are only a few of these benefits.
Hey.
They get to play in the Scottish League don't they?
The only *nglish team that has been bestowed with that honour.
Sheesh.
What MORE could you possibly want?
Bloody Jocks - never happy.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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You foul-mouthed north-of-the-M4 *nglish fuckwit. This is a Scottish ng.
Watch your mouth you ignorant little shit. Show some respect.
And in any case - you already burned Berwick intae the grun SEVEN times -
and Scotland *still* havn't got it back.
Why should we trust you to give it back if you burnt it doon for an eighth
time?
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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> Burning down towns is an act of terrorism so this information will be
> passed to the proper government department.
Dunno bout that Bob - not always.
I mean during the poll tax riots the plebs managed to accomplish wot the
Luftwaffe signaly failed to achieve and the generalised mayhem was met with
general approval by all and sunday.
I am not sure what a numptie is
It's somewhere between a bleedin herbert and a glaiket gommeral.
Except none of that is splet correctly.
but that troll sure sounds like one.
What a wanker (I learned that one from my English friends). Bob I
think the fact that
the mayor of Berwick Upon Tween signed a peace deal with Russia in
1966 is hilerious. Can you imagiine what THAT meeting was like? : )
What's so funny?
It was obviously part of the deal with the Russian linesman.
ie: you allow the goal to stand and we'll give you Berwick.
S'obvious innit?
Fair deal I reckon. Never liked Berwick anyway.
Adam Whyte-Settlar
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Making *Fabulous* Deals,
Hey
The Dutch swapped Manhattan Island for the Banda Islands back in 16
mumble-mumble.
Sniggering they were too.
conwaycaine
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Trade you Chicago for Memphis.
***
Plans to sell Memphis to Mississippi fell apart then?
Pity.
All those Old Miss supporters locked into a death embrace with Tennessee.
Allan
>
> Actually the Berwick thing is a bit of a leg-pull but in fact the people
> in Berwick have held a vote, (it was televised), on whether to be part of
> Scotland or England. They narrowly voted to be Scottish.
There was a thread on this further down Bob and this is not so. Shoppers in
Berwick (ie whether they were locals or shoppers from the Scottish Borders)
were polled as to whether they thought Berwick would be financially better
off in Scotland or not. 60% said they thought it would be. A similar poll
was held by the Berwick Advertiser and it came in with a higher amount who
believed Berwick would be better off financially within Scotland. A week
later both the Berwick Advertiser and Berwickshire News held polls asking
the direct question do you want Berwick to go back into Scotland and
respectively 77% and 69% said no.
Allan
Scotty
Does that apply to that part Berwick that is on the wrong side of the
Tweed?
deem...@aol.com
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We tried Arkansas first and they threatened to blow the river
bridges. Mississippi wanted to trade us for Starkville. Have you ever
been to Starkville?
conwaycaine
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Stark, is it?
(Was Jackson in the running?)
Btw, apparently that mag "East of 75" went out of business.
Shame.
I enjoyed it.
It was like a trip back home.
Allan
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Quite! Both Tweedmouth and Spittal are joined on to Berwick and form part of
Berwick and are south of Tweed. I think too that possibly the majority of
the population will live there. Berwick Rangers are based in Tweedmouth as
is the industrial estate etc. As well as the football team the Berwick
rugby teams play in Scotland from school level up to senior level. The
Berwick rugby ground is at Scemerston which is actually to the south of
Berwick.
Allan
Robert Peffers
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I'll raise your Memphis with Auchtermuchty.
Robert Peffers
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had two candidates, one was, if memory serves, a just retired local postie
campaigning for going Scottish. The other a stout lady who was, apparently,
the local councillor. They knocked doors, delivered leaflets, and had
manifestos. Then they held a ballot as per local councils.The thing about
this is that it did not depend upon a street survey or the obvious selective
readership of a news paper.
--
Auld Bob
Robert Peffers
takes a turn northwards at Berwick. If you were to continue the general
direction of the border then that will be fine.
In any case there are other anomalies. There is a bit where they realigned
the border and never let on to the general public. It was while building the
railway. The course of the river and the course of the railway clashed as
the railway could not be built over this particular area. It was either
change the river or change the railway and it was easier to change the
river.They built a stone embankment to carry the railway that resulted in
the river, and hence the border, taking a different course. Then there was a
case when a farmer bought some land and attempted to register it. His
English legal team informed him they could only register part of the land
and he would have to engage a Scottish legal team to register the other part
as what had been thought as part of England wasn't. These are not part of
the official disputed lands.
--
Auld Bob
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The Phantom Piper
>
> Forget California,
I never mentioned it, so that's easy enough.
(You'll have to learn to stop dreaming above
your Price Range, son: effective bargaining
is the science of the Doable._
> Haiti is a more attractive offer.
Than Tennessee? You bet - that's why I offered the trade!
Oh hell - alright, I'll throw in Guyana as well...
Charitably,
The Phantom Piper
The Phantom Piper
>
> It was like a trip back home.
Everyone's Sister was also their Mother?
Or Did It Have To Do With Corncobs?,
The Phantom Piper
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
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lmao
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
Well, I think there are some nice things in the south, mostly they
have their own local charactoristics. : )
Allan
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>> "Robert Peffers" <peff...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> The had two candidates, one was, if memory serves, a just retired local
> postie campaigning for going Scottish. The other a stout lady who was,
> apparently, the local councillor. They knocked doors, delivered leaflets,
> and had manifestos. Then they held a ballot as per local councils.The
> thing about this is that it did not depend upon a street survey or the
> obvious selective readership of a news paper.
That's the same one I'm talking about Bob. As far as I know it was simply a
street poll held by the TV company itself. The issue was of course reported
widely in the local media here and it was pretty plain that it was no more
than local politicos pointing out the differences in services between one
side of the border and the other. As I said there was a huge difference in
the figures between the various polls which said something like "would
Berwick be better off financially in Scotland" and "do you want Berwick to
rejoin Scotland" The vast majority of people said they didn't want Berwick
to rejoin Scotland. About 20% or so said they did which after taking account
that about 16% of the people in Berwick are Scottish means that probably
only a tiny amount of non-Scots would have voted Yes. There was a similar
poll asking if Berwick should rejoin Berwickshire and again it was a
resounding No. Saying that all the said polls were flawed and there has been
no proper consultation of people in recent years. Talking with local
knowledge though the vast majority of Berwickers I know may feel remote from
London but they are English just the same.
Allan
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>I base all the above on one simple fact - the Treaty of Perpetual Peace
>has never been rescinded for if it had been Berwick Upon Tweed would
>have come back under Scottish administration, the Royal Marriage that
>led to the Union of the Crowns would have been void and thus the Union
>of the Parliaments could not have taken place. So the Treaty of
>Perpetual Peace may have been broken, for example by the, Battle Of
>Flodden Field,
And many other thrashings of Scotchland before the Union. Hence, the
Treaty had no force, Auld Bob Can'tunderstandthelawoftreatiesers...RH
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Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Robert Henderson
Whyte-Settlar <ador@ble.?.invalid> writes
>
>Hey.
>They get to play in the Scottish League don't they? The only *nglish
>team that has been bestowed with that honour.
>Sheesh.
>What MORE could you possibly want?
>
>Bloody Jocks - never happy.
They are ecstatic when they are whining and polishing their victimhood.
conwaycaine
*******
You have noticed the deafening silence with which I greet your somewhat
juvenile attempts at humor?
conwaycaine
Than Tennessee? You bet - that's why I offered the trade!
***
This from a lad what never set foot in Tennessee.
Just as well..........
deem...@aol.com
> "The Phantom Piper" <ThePhantomPi...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:c5f355d8-a0dd-4f6d...@26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
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> Than Tennessee? You bet - that's why I offered the trade!
>
> ***
>
> This from a lad what never set foot in Tennessee.
> Just as well..........
Maybe HE'D take Memphis......
The Phantom Piper
>
> *******
The Piper shoots: he *scores*!
And The Crowd Goes Wild...,
The Phantom Piper
conwaycaine
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More likely Memphis would take him...........straight to the river.
conwaycaine
The Piper shoots: he *scores*!
And The Crowd Goes Wild...,
***
Pardon me but the Piper hasn't *scored* in twenty years.
Just keeping things factual
The Bashful Banjo man
The Phantom Piper
>
> Pardon me but the Piper hasn't *scored* in twenty years.
That's not what *Mrs.* Caine said!
(Whooops: I've said too much!)
> Just keeping things factual
Pardon me, but you haven't kept things Factual in twenty years!
And That's A Fact, Jack,
The Phantom Piper
conwaycaine
On Jan 2, 8:42 am, "conwaycaine" <conwayca...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I see you have gone from scurrilous attacks on some of the regulars here to
scurrilous attacks on the some of the families of the regulars.
But then I am not surprised.
HardySpicer
wrote:
> In message <qJqdnVvReaFXH6HWnZ2dnUVZ8uydn...@bt.com>, Robert Peffers
> <peffer...@btinternet.com> writes
>
> >I base all the above on one simple fact - the Treaty of Perpetual Peace
> >has never been rescinded for if it had been Berwick Upon Tweed would
> >have come back under Scottish administration, the Royal Marriage that
> >led to the Union of the Crowns would have been void and thus the Union
> >of the Parliaments could not have taken place. So the Treaty of
> >Perpetual Peace may have been broken, for example by the, Battle Of
> >Flodden Field,
>
> And many other thrashings of Scotchland before the Union. Hence, the
> Treaty had no force, Auld Bob Can'tunderstandthelawoftreatiesers...RH
> --
arsewipe to Alex Salmond - not bad for an *nglish boy eh?
Allan
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Salmond's view on Berwick is that he would welcome the town back into
Scotland if the people wished that to be. Not that likely to happen but a
sensible stance just the same. Bob takes a different view insisting that the
town is in Scotland :-)
On another matter I have always wondered why the Nats haven't stood in
elections there? I suspect they wouldn't get very far and they may consider
it a waste of time but they could at least take the opportunity to argue the
case that Berwick should return to Berwickshire
Allan