NuLabcur make their usual pigs's ear of taxation
Robert Henderson
illustrate NuLabcur's ineptitude in achieving their supposed ends
through taxation. Instead I will take just one aspect of Darling's PBR,
the increase in NIC.
A much better bet than raising the general NIC rate by 1% (in total)
would have been to apply NIC to benefits in kind which currently do not
attract it. This would raise a hefty sum with a disproportionate amount
coming from the higher earners, because they have more benefits in kind
and all of the really substantial ones - you would have to see what
directors claim for to believe it, everything from school fees to
five-star holidays. That would serve the supposed ends of social justice
Labour claim to still stand for.
The general misunderstanding of tax is beautifully demonstrated also by
the complaints today that the NIC increases will mean the NHS has to pay
another �400million pa. Simple logic should tell people that income tax
and nic paid by public servants is simply an internal accounting
procedure within the public finances. IN the case of the NHS, the
government gives the NHS an extra �400 million and receives it back when
the nic is paid. In the case of government departments income tax and
nic is not even moved about within government. It is simply notionally
funded and notionally paid. RH
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Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Alang
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The general misunderstanding of tax is beautifully demonstrated also by
>the complaints today that the NIC increases will mean the NHS has to pay
>another �400million pa. Simple logic should tell people that income tax
>and nic paid by public servants is simply an internal accounting
>procedure within the public finances. IN the case of the NHS, the
>government gives the NHS an extra �400 million and receives it back when
>the nic is paid. In the case of government departments income tax and
>nic is not even moved about within government. It is simply notionally
>funded and notionally paid. RH
Unlike civil service and police pensions which are notionally funded
and actually paid. Did someone mention Ponzi?
abelard
wrote:
you did...with high justification
regards
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Alang
wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:20:53 +0000, Alang <inv...@invalid.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:12 +0000, Robert Henderson
>><phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>The general misunderstanding of tax is beautifully demonstrated also by
>>>the complaints today that the NIC increases will mean the NHS has to pay
>>>another �400million pa. Simple logic should tell people that income tax
>>>and nic paid by public servants is simply an internal accounting
>>>procedure within the public finances. IN the case of the NHS, the
>>>government gives the NHS an extra �400 million and receives it back when
>>>the nic is paid. In the case of government departments income tax and
>>>nic is not even moved about within government. It is simply notionally
>>>funded and notionally paid. RH
>>
>>Unlike civil service and police pensions which are notionally funded
>>and actually paid. Did someone mention Ponzi?
>
>you did...with high justification
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/dec/09/pre-budget-report-pensions-cost
abelard
wrote:
what a bunch of shameless criminals they are
this is just another way of reducing present wages...it
has zero relationship to pensions
meanwhile even the pensions and wages are under continual
attack from the money printing....
so, having destroyed/stolen private pensions...now he's
starting to attack his very own clients
amazing...and the innumerate keep right on falling for it!
incidentally, delenda est socialismus
Robert Henderson
<inv...@invalid.co.uk> writes
>
>
>
>>The general misunderstanding of tax is beautifully demonstrated also by
>>the complaints today that the NIC increases will mean the NHS has to pay
>>another �400million pa. Simple logic should tell people that income tax
>>and nic paid by public servants is simply an internal accounting
>>procedure within the public finances. IN the case of the NHS, the
>>government gives the NHS an extra �400 million and receives it back when
>>the nic is paid. In the case of government departments income tax and
>>nic is not even moved about within government. It is simply notionally
>>funded and notionally paid. RH
>
>Unlike civil service and police pensions which are notionally funded
>and actually paid. Did someone mention Ponzi?
Nothing like a Ponzi scheme because (1) we are talking about tax which
is paid out of tax receipts already received and (2) a Ponzi scheme has
to have n hope of being able to meet its obligations indefinitely:
governments such as Britain;s do have such an expectation.... RH
abelard
you really should avoid sums hatstand
HardySpicer
abelard
where is your evidence?
do you creep around his pad at night?
HardySpicer
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:22:06 -0800 (PST), HardySpicer
>
> >On Dec 11, 4:36 am, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
> >wrote:
>
> >Hend arse on is a wanker!!
>
> where is your evidence?
> do you creep around his pad at night?
>
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> all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
> the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
> good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
> only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He's a troll and makes up racist shite. Plenty of evidence on Usenet.
Robert Henderson
<abel...@abelard.org> writes
>>
>>
>>Nothing like a Ponzi scheme because (1) we are talking about tax which
>>is paid out of tax receipts already received and (2) a Ponzi scheme has
>>to have n hope of being able to meet its obligations indefinitely:
>>governments such as Britain;s do have such an expectation.... RH
>
>you really should avoid sums hatstand
>
>regards
No sum involved in this instance.,.... RH
abelard
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <35t3i5tvukak2hnme...@4ax.com>, abelard
><abel...@abelard.org> writes
>>>
>>>
>>>Nothing like a Ponzi scheme because (1) we are talking about tax which
>>>is paid out of tax receipts already received and (2) a Ponzi scheme has
>>>to have n hope of being able to meet its obligations indefinitely:
>>>governments such as Britain;s do have such an expectation.... RH
>>
>>you really should avoid sums hatstand
>No sum involved in this instance.,.... RH
best you keep it that way...
abelard
<gyans...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 12, 2:30�am, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:22:06 -0800 (PST), HardySpicer
>>
>> <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 11, 4:36�am, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >Hend arse on is a wanker!!
>>
>> where is your evidence?
>> do you creep around his pad at night?
>He's a troll and makes up racist shite. Plenty of evidence on Usenet.
mostly he is rather locked in by the fact that he cannot count...
i'm sure his heart is in the right place
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Robert Henderson
<ca854364-7408-4894...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
HardySpicer <gyans...@gmail.com> writes
>
>He's a troll and makes up racist shite. Plenty of evidence on Usenet.
Certainly plenty of evidence of your racism and homophobia about, viz:
In message
<71065406-bfc2-4886...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
HardySpicer <gyans...@gmail.com> writes
>There's an old army saying 'you're not a real soldier until you have
been >rear-ended by an old-Etonian'. as for the navy.. where do you
think the >rank "rear admiral" come from? The *nglish are a nation of
poofs. (brave >ones at that) Let us salute our *nglish friends..Mince to
the left,mince to >the right...Oh you are awful..Look, there's a taleban
- bet he's got a >biggun eh!
>
>
>
>Hardy