Break Up The USA?
Dennis
HEAD: Middlebury Institute/Zogby Poll: One in Five Americans Believe States
Have the Right to Secede
SUB-HEAD: Survey finds 18% would support a secessionist effort in their
state
UTICA, New York -One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state
or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and
become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby
International telephone poll shows.
I believe any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become
an independent republic:
Agree
22%
Disagree
73%
Not sure
5%
The level of support for the right of secession was consistent in every
region in the country, though the percentage was slightly higher in the
South (26%) and the East (24%). The figures were also consistent for every
age group, but backing was strongest among younger adults, as 40% among
those age 18 to 24 and 24% among those age 25 to 34 agreed states and
regions have secession rights.
Broken down by race, the highest percentage agreeing with the right to
secede was among Hispanics (43%) and African-Americans (40%). Among white
respondents, 17% said states or regions should have the right to peaceably
secede.
I would support a secessionist effort in my state:
Agree
18%
Disagree
72%
Not sure
10%
Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to
secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with
the concept. Among the very liberal the support was only slightly less
enthusiastic - 28% said they favored such a right. Meanwhile, just 17% of
mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or
regions of the nation.
Asked whether they would support a secessionist movement in their own state,
18% said they would, with those in the South most likely to say they would
back such an effort. In the South, 24% said they would support such an
effort, while 15% in the West and Midwest said the same. Here, too, younger
adults were more likely than older adults to be supportive - 35% of those
under age 30 would support secession in their state, compared to just 17% of
those over age 65. Among African Americans, 33% said they would support
secession, compared to just 15% of white adults. The more education a
respondent had, the less likely they were to support secession - as 38% of
those with less than a high school diploma would support it, compared to
just 10% of those with a college degree.
To gauge the extent to which support for secession comes from a sense that
the nation's current system is not working, a separate question was asked
about agreement that "the United States' system is broken and cannot be
fixed by traditional two-party politics and elections." Nearly half of
respondents agreed with this statement, with 27% who somewhat agree and 18%
who strongly agree.
I believe the United States' system is broken and cannot be fixed by
traditional two-party politics and elections:
Agree
44%
Disagree
53%
Not sure
3%
The telephone poll, conducted by Zogby International, included 1,209
American adult respondents. It was conducted July 9-13, 2008, and carries a
margin of error of +/- 2.9 per cent.
The sponsor of the poll was the Middlebury Institute, a think tank for "the
study of separatism, secession, and self-determination," based in Cold
Spring, NY. Their website address is: MiddleburyInstitute.org.
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Sweet Jay-sus (as my sainted Irish grandmother would say), we went through
this crap once...never again. I suspect the Middelbury Institute is one
malcontent with a fax machine and a sugar daddy.
Dionysus
timeOday
California and Texas.
For my money, California is the one state that could be a perfectly fine
nation on its own.
Dennis
"timeOday" <timeOda...@theknack.net> wrote in message
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"Could" and "should" are two entirely different propositions.
Dionysus
Dennis
"robert bowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:19:43 -0600, timeOday wrote:
>
>
>> For my money, California is the one state that could be a perfectly fine
>> nation on its own.
>
> and Pelosi with them.
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Now that's an interesting idea...have to include "Babs" Boxer and Gavin
Newsom as well.
Dionysus
Day Brown
deficit. Arkansas finished with a $919 million surplus. Why? Just some
of the reasonss:
A high tech strip city emerged along I-540 in NW Arkansas that has a net
immigration from Silicon Valley and other such regions. Turns out,
engineers like the low mortgages that come from land prices running more
like $1000/acre. There is no building code in Arkansas, so you can build
whatever house suits your fancy without paying off inspectors. There's a
lot of innovative design that results. Then too, professionals dont work
all the time, and like the hunting and fishing.
And schools that work for their kids. ZERO rates of violence. dropout
rates in the single digits, graduation rates near 90%, attendance at
95%, college remediation in the teens.
They have been developing the Fayetteville Shale gas field. Arkansas, if
it seceded from the Union would have all the natural gas it needed to
both heat its homes and, with cheap propane conversions, fuel all the
cars and trucks on its roads. For the next 100 years.
Because of the fertile delta soils, the exports to Asia of soybeans and
rice means it has a POSITIVE trade balance.
FWIW, so many transnationals have invested in towns and small cities
that there has been a net INCREASE in manufacturing jobs.
Last spring, when the National Guard could not respond appropriately to
some tornados because of all the equipment left in Iraq, the Gov. said
the state would take over the funding of the National Guard, and none of
its equipment would leave the state without his consent. Creating ad de
facto independent army to defend the interests of the citizens. To the
very wide approval of the electorate.
Its worth noting as well that the NW, the Ozarks, never had plantations,
so it never had slaves, so it seceded from the Confederate government in
Little Rock, not wanting any part in the Civil War. And it has not since
imported any significant numbers of Blacks. The population is still what
it started out to be, 99% white or Cherokee hybrids.
f. barnes
Hey, if Arkansas goes, please take Missouri with you (Minus St. Louis
and Kansas City of course; nobody would want either of those hell
holes). And here in the Missouri Ozarks our population demographics
are pretty much the same as in the Arkansas Ozarks.
global...@gmail.com
It's not surprising that 43% of Hispanics are agreeing with the right
to
secede. Most likely, even more than 43% of Hispanics are agreeing with
the right to
secede, but do not say so loudly. We have seen Mexican flags on
demonstrations of illegal Mexicans.
Population of Hispanics is growing in our western states. Hispanics
are coming, and whites are leaving.
In 10 or 15 years our western states will become just northern
territories of Mexico.
Governments of our western states will be mostly Hispanic.
In 20 or 30 years we can expect them to vote democratically to
secede.
Even if they do not vote on it, western states will be de-facto lost.
Empires are nothing but collections of different peoples speaking
different languages.
At some point, especially when there are economic problems, the empire
implodes.
All empires have disintegrated in the past. The Romans, the greeks,
the mongols, Ottomans, French, Britain, Soviet Union... you name it.
I'm afraid that American Empire is the next in the line to the history
trash can.
We would be smart to watch our borders and to eliminate Spanish as the
second language.
You don spik englis, senor? Go back to Mexico! A one-way bus ticket
and a warm farewell !
zzpat
Government into a criminal enterprise and we have a Congress and Supreme
Court who don't give a damn. All three branches have decimated the
"rule of law" during the past 7 1/2 years. Only an idiot would be proud
of our government...only a conservative.
--
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Dennis
"zzpat" <zzpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We have a president who's turned the White House and the Federal
> Government into a criminal enterprise and we have a Congress and Supreme
> Court who don't give a damn. All three branches have decimated the "rule
> of law" during the past 7 1/2 years. Only an idiot would be proud of our
> government...only a conservative.
Okay, everyone, on three....one, two, three..."BULLSHIT"!! Thank you, thank
you very much.
Dionysus
David Johnston
wrote:
>FROM ZOGBY
>
>HEAD: Middlebury Institute/Zogby Poll: One in Five Americans Believe States
>Have the Right to Secede
>
>SUB-HEAD: Survey finds 18% would support a secessionist effort in their
>state
Confirming my theory that in any given poll, about one fifth the
respondents will respond in the affirmative to any given question.
spammer
out?
MACK DADDY
> Didn't a bunch of states try to secede in the 1860's? How'd that turn
> out?
I wouldn't mind if Washington seceded! We've always been a pretty
progressive state!
Day Brown
tribes lacking sound republican traditions. Machiavelli saw how they
funded the campaigns of demagogues pandering to their religion and
ethnicity. The politicians could say one thing to immigrants in their
own language, then say another to the Romans in Latin.
Just as now, there are certain hot button words and phrases that do not
translate the true meaning of what is being promoted. We also see how
the senate reduced the taxes on the aristocracy shifting the burden to
the middle class... which was soon broke.
Since the government couldnt get money from those who didnt have any,
and could not tax the rich, it borrowed the money from the rich instead.
This worked until some creditor saw that the tax base would no longer
service the debt much less pay it off.
We also see how the dinari, that started out at 95% silver, gradually
was degraded, eventually to the point where it was nothing but a copper
coin with silver cladding. Machiavelli sees how this inflation ends up
with sky rocketing food prices, then riots in the streets, and so some
general needs to be called in to restore order- imposing tyranny.
He will then simply seize the assets of the rich to gratify the desire
for revenge on the part of the lower classes. they no longer have any
value in real estate or anything else invested in the system, so they
have nothing to loose, and place all their hopes in a demagogue.
We also see how the smart money got out of Rome and invested in more
obscure locations, setting up what turned out to be independent kingdoms
that nevertheless still maintained the pretense they were part of the
Empire.