An Accidental American III
William Flax
Accidental American
On July 2nd, we posted the following brief comment to a number of forums:
"At first blush, it sounds like a nice attitude, when Senator Obama states
that he will never question another man's patriotism. But a closer look will
reveal how inappropriate it would be for the Senator to ever, in fact, do
so.
While Senator Obama may, technically, be allowed to run for President if he
was, in fact, born in the United States--the Constitutional requirement;--he
is, at best, only an accidental American. His father did not come here as a
settler, nor as an immigrant. He came purely as a student, a citizen of
Kenya from a small minority tribe in that land on the opposite side of
Africa. He finished his studies and returned home, leaving his wife, of a
brief period, with the baby Senator. She then removed the baby Senator to
Indonesia--apparently to avoid the association of other Americans--but
eventually the young Obama came back.
"It is only because so many Americans have been conditioned by Leftist
academics & the media, to be embarrassed in taking pride in their own
heritage and lines of descent, that the accident of Senator Obama's
Americanism is not the subject for humor at every dinner table; at the bar
in every pub; on vehicles of public transportation; and in a million phone
calls by the hour. Yet somehow, this new indifference to family and
ethnicity, does not fit in a land which used to be described in our song,
"America," as "Land where my fathers died." One supposes that the new
version will read, "Land that my father visited."
"Yes, folks, somehow that does not quite seem like the way that "preserved
us a nation," in The Star Spangled Banner.
"William Flax"
The post drew some nasty comments, assailing the author. It also drew one,
which deserves a response; one useful, in offering us a chance to make an
important distinction. The poster suggested that we were off the mark in
seeming to judge the Senator by his parents' behavior, rather than his own
merit; that such was not the way one should be judged in a nation that had
always respected, even honored, the individual. While the point of our post
had not been directed to any judgment of Senator Obama, one way or
another--rather to changes in the way the general population responded to
the phenomenon represented by the Senator's success--the responder's point
deserved attention. My web site http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa
is as oriented to the individual as almost any on the internet. Let us,
then, examine what is relevant in respect to which issue.
An Individual Or Family
Determinant?
Clearly, in assessing Senator Obama's character, ability, intelligence,
behavior and ideas, he should be judged as an individual. While his personal
traits will to a very large extent reflect the particular genetic
combinations that resulted in his conception, it is not material to a fair
assessment of his exhibited personal traits that his father was a Luo
tribesman from Kenya, just passing through, or that his mother may have had
some sort of aversion to rooted Americans. While he has his parents' genes,
what he does with the combination will prove, indeed, the measure of the
man. Thus we can recognize that Senator Obama--in comparison to many of his
political contemporaries--seems quite intelligent; quite eloquent; both
sincere and caring.
Yet, while a good speaker, by today's sorry standards, the level of Obama's
oratory is markedly inferior to what would have been acceptable in America
prior to the terrible war of the 1860s. The Obama approach is far too
sloganized; his development of issues far too superficial; his grasp of the
human experience far too clearly shaped by the egalitarian, heavily Marxist
influenced, climate in contemporary American "Higher Education." He shines
today, because of the decline in our level of political discussion and
debate--a subject frequently dealt with at this website. He also benefits
from deliberate efforts in the academic world to convince gullible White
Americans, that they are somehow responsible for many, if not most, of the
problems of the rest of humanity. We believe that some have seen his
candidacy as a way to purge their fantasies of imaginary guilt.
Yet our post on "An Accidental American" was not about Senator Obama's worth
as an individual. It was about a nation losing its normal defensive
mechanisms, losing its sense of identity. And a nation is not about an array
of disparate individuals, each "doing his own thing." It is not a game of
"musical chairs," as it were; where it little matters who occupies which
particular chair, at any given instant in time.
A Nation is about families, with common multi-generational purpose and
values; about continuity in the pursuit of shared goals; about common
history, kinship, kindred lines of descent; shared triumphs & defeats,
achievements & failures: A common vision of a linked posterity, unique from
that of any other folk or nation. Our point, in posting the "Accidental
American," was derived from recognition of a failing perception of the
traditional nation. And, yes, it does make a difference, in how one views
the Obama candidacy, that his father was just 'passing through.' Thus, while
that candidacy, itself, was not the point; we might suggest that perhaps,
just perhaps, it is not quite fitting for one, here only because his father
happened to pass through some of the member States, to be campaigning on a
repeated promise to "change America."
To run some 'rascals' out of Government might be well and good. But it is
not Senator Obama's place to tell the rest of us, that we must change an
existing Nation, its heritage and traditions. A Nation is about family,
lines of descent, the multi-generational process of building on past
achievements, cultural and material, of an ethnically definable people.
America is all about her rooted families; about building on their past
achievements, their traditions, mores and identity; on their shared
experiences in the pursuit of common goals, so well defined at America's
birth.
William Flax [http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/mischief.htm]
Titix
"William Flax" <krtq...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Blank An
> Accidental American
>
> On July 2nd, we posted the following brief comment to a number of forums:
>
Have you rightards run out of crap? Keep reposting the same crap over and
over.
> William Flax [http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/mischief.htm]
>
>
MACK DADDY
You Republitards and conservafascists are so weak all you know how to
do is copy and paste the same tired sheeit you see on Faux News.
William Flax
theme, to deal with different nuances of the point.
But you would rather debate by insult. Well, whoop-dee do! Folk like you
and your buddies, who follow, just help draw my audience.
For those, who actually have a sincere interest in what has been undermining
American continuity, you might visit:
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/continu.htm
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William Flax
if your life depended upon it. You clearly do not know what a "bigot" is.
Nor do you understand the essential distinction between one's personal worth
as an individual, and one's social duties to the ongoing needs of a
community or nation.
My original post on this thread went over your head. But you do not have
enough sense to remain silent, rather than give away your inability to
actually grasp the point.
You also impress all of us, by continuing to use a name, which one must
seriously doubt is your own. If it really is, I will certainly apologize
for suspecting that it is part of your fantasy world, rather than either a
family or a given name.
<retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:14:34 -0400, "William Flax"
> <krtq...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>Clearly, in assessing Senator Obama's character, ability, intelligence,
>>behavior and ideas, he should be judged as an individual.
>
> But then you're only too happy to stoop to innuendo and racism - you
> fraud. You're an intellectual coward and a liar. That you dress it up
> in such prose and qualifiers before you start only shows you know it
> too and seek to camouflage it.
>
> You're a petty bigot and racist. Plain and simple
>
>>While his personal
>>traits will to a very large extent reflect the particular genetic
>>combinations that resulted in his conception, it is not material to a fair
>>assessment of his exhibited personal traits that his father was a Luo
>>tribesman from Kenya, just passing through, or that his mother may have
>>had
>>some sort of aversion to rooted Americans.
>
> Reading the above one can only see what a scummy slimy person you are.
Billzz
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>>worth
>>as an individual. It was about a nation losing its normal defensive
>>mechanisms, losing its sense of identity.
>
>
Just passing by with a comment. No president *rules* the US, in that sense.
Because of checks and balances, no US president can make unilateral
decisions. I, personally, have absolutely no fear that Barack Obama would
not make as good a president as anyone else we have had. But he still needs
to convince the voters, then congress. And even JFK had trouble there.
As an aside, when Nixon was going through the throes of possible
impeachment - but he resigned - thought was given as to whether he might "go
for the button." No threat. Even the President of the United States can't
make that unilateral decision. No worry.
Billzz
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:44:02 -0700, "Billzz"
> <billzz...@starband.net> wrote:
>
>><retro...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:qu8i84hfa2ohuj3t9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:14:34 -0400, "William Flax"
>>> <krtq...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yet our post on "An Accidental American" was not about Senator Obama's
>>>>worth
>>>>as an individual. It was about a nation losing its normal defensive
>>>>mechanisms, losing its sense of identity.
>>>
>>>
>>> i.e. your horror and fear at a black man ruling "your" country.
>>
>>Just passing by with a comment. No president *rules* the US, in that
>>sense.
>>Because of checks and balances, no US president can make unilateral
>>decisions.
>
>
You do not remember the votes in Congress? The Congress of the United
States of America agreed with the presidential finding, and agreed with the
course of action. The Congress of the United States of America also passes
(or does not pass) every authorizatuion to spend money. Don't bother
answering. You do not know how the US government works. I would not be
talking to you in real life, so no sense here.
William Flax
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:30:50 -0400, "William Flax"
> <krtq...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >I am not sure that you would understand either innuendo or racism or
fraud,
> >if your life depended upon it. You clearly do not know what a "bigot"
is.
> >
> >Nor do you understand the essential distinction between one's personal
worth
> >as an individual, and one's social duties to the ongoing needs of a
> >community or nation.
>
Why don't you at least try to read the original post in a thread, before you
apparently decide to hang out on that thread for the purpose of
demonstrating your lack of comprehension. The point, of course, was that
while Obama as an individual was entitled to be judged as an individual,
when he seeks to change an existing political society, with which he is only
accidentally involved, his parents involvement or lack of involvement is
very relevant. A Nation or even a healthy community within a Nation is a
multi-generational affair. It is not a game of musical chairs.
> >
> >My original post on this thread went over your head.
Your responses, continue to prove that point.
>
> What because you dress your pig up in a tux you think it has class?
> Sheesh.
>
> >But you do not have
> >enough sense to remain silent, rather than give away your inability to
> >actually grasp the point.
>
> LOL. You really do think your code raises you above being a petty race
> mongering fearful bigot? Sheesh.
> >
> >You also impress all of us, by continuing to use a name, which one must
> >seriously doubt is your own. If it really is, I will certainly apologize
> >for suspecting that it is part of your fantasy world, rather than either
a
> >family or a given name.
>
> LOL. I know you little race warriors would just love to know where
> your opponents live.
You really do have an exaggerated view of your significance. I have no
personal interest, whatsoever, in meeting you. My point went to your mental
processes, as exhibited by your conduct.