Trust in God (The God Over Obama)
Wide Eyed in Wonder
God put Obama in power. John 19:11 says, "Thou couldest have no power
at all against me,
except it were given thee from above.” So, even Pilate that killed
Christ was put in power by God and would not retain power if God
didn't allow it. Therefore, no matter how badly you dislike Obama's
policies (I'm with you on most), God put him in power for this time.
Recall that David refused to attack Saul but trusted God and let God
deal with Saul, and he inherited the throne afterwards.
Now, let me offend the left...
God put Bush in power, as well. And, both are subject to God's power
limitations on them. Obama is not above the power of God, and he
should not (like Pharaoh) try to step between God and His Children.
However, God commands us to pray for those in authority over us (1 Tim
2:1-2), implying that God can and will direct our leadership or remove
them to bring us peace.
Trust in God and pray for our leaders to be protected from demonic
influence and led by the Spirit of God.
Kenneth W Clifton
http://stores.lulu.com/kenclifton
....the_pc_jellllybean!!.!!!!.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Now, let me offend the right...
>God put Obama in power.
No.
The voters did.
Proving that they are more powerful than god.
The_Carpathia
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:96eddf5d-fc93-4f9d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
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> >Now, let me offend the right...
> >God put Obama in power.
>
> No.
>
> The voters did.
>
> Proving that they are more powerful than god.
So, you believe Obama is not God's choice and support
him...interesting.
The_Carpathia
Hiccum Blurpaedius
Hiccum Blurpaedius
limitations on them. Obama is not above the power of God, and he
should not (like Pharaoh) try to step between God and His Children.
A conspiracy by religious wackos.
Exterminate god god dammit
Bob LeChevalier
>On Dec 14, 8:10�pm, <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy
>BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
>> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:96eddf5d-fc93-4f9d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >Now, let me offend the right...
>> >God put Obama in power.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> The voters did.
>>
>> Proving that they are more powerful than god.
>
>So, you believe Obama is not God's choice and support
>him...interesting.
There isn't the slightest evidence that God gives a Goddamn who is
president.
Those who don't believe that God exists logically would not believe
that "X is God's choice" for any value of X. Many who do believe He
exists don't believe that He stoops to meddle in American politics or
governance.
lojbab
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"Hiccum Blurpaedius" <hic...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Humans are not smart enough for that.
The_Carpathia
Still waiting. I said that God's choice is the one that gains the
White House (including Obama), since Jesus even told PILATE that God
gave him authority and power to be the leader at that time...and he
KILLED Jesus. YOU said that the voters put Obama in power "proving
that they are more powerful than god," which necessitates that in your
view god's choice wasn't Obama....because the voters selecting god's
choice would say nothing about the power of God. So, if you believe
that Obama isn't God's choice, why do you support him?
haiku jones
Geez, I don't think it's a puzzle at all. Your quesiton
contains several assumptions that you might want
to reconsider, such as:
-- that PC_Jelly believes in any god at all. And if so
-- that he believes in a god that muddies Its paws
in the dreary details of transient human affairs.
And if so
-- that he believes in the God that you believe in.
And if so
-- that he takes all Scripture as the Word of
God. And if so:
-- that he buys into your interpretation and
application of Scripture.
Personally, I'd have a bit of trouble understanding
why God, in similar fashion, installed Idi Amin, Pol Pot,
Stalin, or even Vlad the Impaler.
Haiku Jones
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Exaclty. Thank you for laying out what you'd think was obvious.
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"The_Carpathia" <writi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 14, 8:10 pm, <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:96eddf5d-fc93-4f9d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>Now, let me offend the right...
>> >God put Obama in power.
>
>> No.
>
>> The voters did.
>
>> Proving that they are more powerful than god.
>So, you believe Obama is not God's choice
I didn't say that, Kenneth .
Please dont put words in my mouth.
>and support him...interesting.
How so?
MACK DADDY
>
> - Show quoted text -
God can't vote. He's not a registered voter. Look into it sometime!
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On Dec 15, 5:37 am, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 8:10 pm, <.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy
> BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
>
> > "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:96eddf5d-fc93-4f9d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>Now, let me offend the right...
> > >>God put Obama in power.
>
> >> No.
>
> >> The voters did.
>
>> > Proving that they are more powerful than god.
>
>> So, you believe Obama is not God's choice and support
>> him...interesting.
>
>> Kenneth W Cliftonhttp://stores.lulu.com/kenclifton
>Still waiting.
For what, Kenneth?
>I said that God's choice is the one that gains the
>White House (including Obama), since Jesus even told PILATE that God
>gave him authority and power to be the leader at that time...and he
>KILLED Jesus.
Is it your contention that Pilate acted solely in response to God's mandate?
>YOU said that the voters put Obama in power "proving
>that they are more powerful than god,"
Well you know, I was being slightly facetious there, Kenneth.
But my point still stands
> which necessitates that in your
>view god's choice wasn't Obama
How can it be that God is in charge of electing poitical leaders?
That doesn't make sense .....
>because the voters selecting god's
>choice would say nothing about the power of God. So, if you believe
>that Obama isn't God's choice, why do you support him?
Well firstly , I dont know if Obama was God's choice or not. And I cant
follow your logic in laying out that claim
But either way, I doubt God would micromanage Earthly affairs to the point
that he makes political selections.
If that were the case, then he would do away with disease, pestilence and
famine, right?
Freestyle
> BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
>
> > "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:96eddf5d-fc93-4f9d...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >Now, let me offend the right...
> > >God put Obama in power.
>
> > No.
>
> > The voters did.
>
> > Proving that they are more powerful than god.
>
> So, you believe Obama is not God's choice and support
> him...interesting.
>
Your supposition necessitates the existence of a god and is therefore
erroneous.
The_Carpathia
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
Ah....so you don't think the voters are more powerful than God...you
just disbelieve God. Fine. You may want to avoid falsely witnessing
your belief next time.
The_Carpathia
Or Pilate that killed Christ, but Christ told Pilate that he was there
by God's allowance, anyway. Personally, I don't see a problem with it
that much, though. Our world is in rebellion against God's reign.
Why should we expect God to protect us from other rebels? Yet, I do
believe that it would take allowing Pilate to reign to kill Christ,
though...don't you think? Would a GOOD leader have done that?
The_Carpathia
BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote:
Regardless of your doubt, JESUS told Pilate that he could ONLY be in
power in God allowed it. God allows a lot of things, especially in a
society in rebellion against Him (why should we expect protection from
a king we reject). Yet, when that, which is allowed, has ended His
allowance, He changes it. It reminds me of what President Lincoln
said of slavery. He said that slavery had been allowed in Providence
and would by Providence, now end. Obama loves to quote Lincoln. He
may be an example of a Lincoln teaching.
haiku jones
He damn well better have, or God would have
had cosmic egg on His face. I mean, that having
been the grand plan from the very beginning,
it would have been pretty anti-climactic --
not to mention theologically thorny --
if Jesus couldn't have gotten himself
killed no matter what He did.
> but Christ told Pilate that he was there
> by God's allowance, anyway. Personally, I don't see a problem with it
> that much, though. Our world is in rebellion against God's reign.
> Why should we expect God to protect us from other rebels?
Oh, I pretty much see God as Lear, and the
rest of us as a kind of collective Cordellia.
Haiku Jones
archie dux
Expect protection? The thesis with which you started
this thread was not merely God's failure to intervene;
you stated explicitly that God sets leaders in place.
God didn't just fail to protect the Jews from Hitler,
God chose to put Hitler in power in the first place.
archie
The_Carpathia
READ my posts. You are just repeating what I said. We shouldn't
expect God's protection if we are fellow rebels, but God will allow
ALL SORTS of evil to be done by the devil....usually with an overall
purpose in mind, as well. As evil as Hitler was, can you tell me that
the state of Israel would exist, today, without him?
> > Yet, when that, which is allowed, has ended His
> > allowance, He changes it. It reminds me of what President Lincoln
> > said of slavery. He said that slavery had been allowed in Providence
> > and would by Providence, now end. Obama loves to quote Lincoln. He
> > may be an example of a Lincoln teaching.
>
> > Kenneth W Cliftonhttp://stores.lulu.com/kenclifton
Kenneth W Clifton
http://stores.lulu.com/kenclifton
archie dux
Actually, I do believe that I was reminding you
of what you said: God did not merely fail to
protect two million Cambodians from Pol Pot,
God went out of his way -- according to
your view, as I understand it -- to make sure that Pol
Pot got into power. Given that, it's not
clear to me why we should, as the Subject
line has it, Trust in God.
> We shouldn't
> expect God's protection if we are fellow rebels, but God will allow
> ALL SORTS of evil to be done by the devil....usually with an overall
> purpose in mind, as well. As evil as Hitler was, can you tell me that
> the state of Israel would exist, today, without him?
Dunno about you, but to me the idea of the reign
of Hitler having lead to the creation of the state of
Israel -- at the cost of 60,000,000 dead, most
of these helpless non-combatants -- provides
exactly zero comfort.
archie
JayPee Vee
> Now, let me offend the right...
>
> God put Obama in power.
God has nothing to do with who's in charge of a country.
Unless you "think" that God put Hitler and Stalin in power, too...
If this is the case, then your god is one nasty bastard...
brady r
How does God put any leader in power in a democracy
such as ours? Does he diddle with the Diebold voting
machines? Cloud men's minds?
Brady R
Anonymous Infidel - Aborted Islam with a hanger
fact that you're a total fucking obamatard.