Stupidity on steroids
The Trucker
Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
pump it back into the ground?
Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
Must be the Republican version of a "jobs" program.
The "Strategic Petroleum Reserve" already exists in several places and it
will not be jumping up and running away to Atlantis. But there is
something to consider: Cuba is making a deal with the Chinese to tap the
oil 60 miles south of Florida which is (according to current
unilateralists and nationalists) part of _OUR_ real "Strategic Petroleum
Reserve".
Can anyone offer a rational explanation as to why our (P)resident insists
on not having any dialog with the Cubans? There is a lot of rightie crap
about "slant drilling" when the fact is that a reservoir of oil can be
tapped in a lot of different places. And as the oil is recovered more of
the stuff just seeps to the point of recovery; no slant drilling necessary.
Why do we see an interest in that which will increase the price of
oil in the near term while ignoring the actual loss of oil in the future.
It would seem that a rational person would have been talking to Cuba long
before RIGHT NOW.
The Republicans are masters of distraction, always focusing on morals and
nationalism while they line the pockets of the rich. The Republicans must
at all times use every weapon possible to attack the environmentalists
(and sometimes they need it) but only because the environmentalists are
easily associated with the Democrats. So the issue is always framed with
ANWR . LOOK OVER THERE....
The Republican leadership (and that is NOT Pinocchio Bush) are not stupid.
But they rely very heavily on the stupidity of their followers.
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"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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Ask your Oil President. That hole is groqund is 97% full they say.
It is being saved for emergencies. Our Oil president doesn't give a
shit about the people of the United States. Any questions. Laura
says...Let them eat cake.
B1ackwater
wrote:
>
>Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>pump it back into the ground?
A little easier to get at in Texas I suppose.
And, the sooner Alaska is pumped dry, the sooner the
widdle animals can have it all back to themselves.
>Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
>threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
Apparently you were just a pup during the big oil embargos
during the 70s.
THAT'S why we keep vast quantities of oil in handy storage.
Damned sensible policy too.
Oh yea, wasting the emergency supply ... ain't gonna do much
of anything for prices. Your SUV is *still* history ... that
"Sweet !" hemi tasting more sour every day.
Econotron
news:pan.2008.05.15....@verizon.net...
>
> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
> pump it back into the ground?
>
>
The only explanation I have got is that it sets a negotiating position for
the next Congress' action. Because, as soon as SPR resolution takes effect
and oil prices continue to rise or stay the same, the next proposal will be
releasing those reserves, as some already suggest.
e.
HarryNadds
If we released every drop of SPR's oil do you think we have the
refining capacity to process it into gasoline ?? Even if we did, how
many days of normal usage would it cover? Would it have any effect on
the price of gas? You seem to have all the answers Trucker. Let's hear
it.
itsall_bull
Has it every occurred to you that our military cannot operate
without fuel? Yes, the same military that keeps your ass safe
day and night, year round and protects your right to freely say
any stupid thing that passes through your mind?
The Trucker
That non answer makes no sense. The question is quite broad and the
answer (if there is one) can also be quite broad. I think I know one
_possible_ legitimate answer. but it may not be adequate either.
However... The release of those reserves might dramatically reduce the
price of oil on world markets. If such release can be delivered quickly
enough to bust the current speculative bubble then hedge funds and
the like which are highly leveraged would be in deed trouble. It is the
same as the Housing Bubble or any other bubble. Such bubbles are built on
leverage that is allowed by deregulation and pumped by "securitization".
The Trucker
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:28:32 -0700, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>>70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>>pump it back into the ground?
>
> A little easier to get at in Texas I suppose.
That is actually a rational answer. I do not think it adequate but it is
rational.
> And, the sooner Alaska is pumped dry, the sooner the
> widdle animals can have it all back to themselves.
Ah yes... Republican sneering. A mainstay.
>>Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
>>threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>
> Apparently you were just a pup during the big oil embargos
> during the 70s.
Am an 63. I was there and almost full grown. (25 years old in 1970)
> THAT'S why we keep vast quantities of oil in handy storage.
> Damned sensible policy too.
It is already "in storage" in Alaska.
> Oh yea, wasting the emergency supply ... ain't gonna do much
> of anything for prices. Your SUV is *still* history ... that
> "Sweet !" hemi tasting more sour every day.
While it is true that the larger autos are "history", demand has not
increased as much as production capacity and was not projected to do so 2
years ago. The current prices cannot be explained away as demand driven at
all.
The Trucker
But the oil was already "saved" in a hole in the ground. Why move it from
one hole to another? "Blackwater" comments that it is easier to get at in
Texas. That is at least rational. It can also be said that we now have 2
pumps to get oil from as opposed to one. And that too is rational.
I don't think either of those reasons are sufficient. If we need another
wellhead and we're concerned about controlling _OUR_ oil then we should
drill south of Florida and move that oil to Texas so Cuba and the Chinese
don't get it. The stuff in Alaska and in the ANWR ain't going anywhere
and it may as well be _STORED_ where it is.
Captain Compassion
wrote:
>
>Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>pump it back into the ground?
>
Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why anyone would
work hard all week then take the some of the earnings from that work
and put it in a bank?
You agree then that the US should use more of their oil resources.
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Captain Compassion
wrote:
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:16:39 +0000, Econotron wrote:
>
>> "The Trucker" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.05.15....@verizon.net...
>>>
>>> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>>> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>>> pump it back into the ground?
>>>
>> [snip]
>>>
>> The only explanation I have got is that it sets a negotiating position for
>> the next Congress' action. Because, as soon as SPR resolution takes effect
>> and oil prices continue to rise or stay the same, the next proposal will be
>> releasing those reserves, as some already suggest.
>
>That non answer makes no sense. The question is quite broad and the
>answer (if there is one) can also be quite broad. I think I know one
>_possible_ legitimate answer. but it may not be adequate either.
>
>However... The release of those reserves might dramatically reduce the
>price of oil on world markets. If such release can be delivered quickly
>enough to bust the current speculative bubble then hedge funds and
>the like which are highly leveraged would be in deed trouble. It is the
>same as the Housing Bubble or any other bubble. Such bubbles are built on
>leverage that is allowed by deregulation and pumped by "securitization".
Let's see... World oil consumption is 80 million barrels a day and
70,000 barrels of oil per day is what % of that?
Anon aka
> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
> pump it back into the ground?
>
> Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
> threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>
> Must be the Republican version of a "jobs" program.
>
> The "Strategic Petroleum Reserve" already exists in several places and it
> will not be jumping up and running away to Atlantis. But there is
> something to consider: Cuba is making a deal with the Chinese to tap the
> oil 60 miles south of Florida which is (according to current
> unilateralists and nationalists) part of _OUR_ real "Strategic Petroleum
> Reserve".
>
Your wrong, offshore off the Florida is NOT part of the Strategic Petroleum
Reserve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve
The Trucker
>
> "The Trucker" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.15....@verizon.net...
>>
>> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>> pump it back into the ground?
>>
>> Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
>> threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>>
>> Must be the Republican version of a "jobs" program.
>>
>> The "Strategic Petroleum Reserve" already exists in several places and it
>> will not be jumping up and running away to Atlantis. But there is
>> something to consider: Cuba is making a deal with the Chinese to tap the
>> oil 60 miles south of Florida which is (according to current
>> unilateralists and nationalists) part of _OUR_ real "Strategic Petroleum
>> Reserve".
>>
>
> Your wrong, offshore off the Florida is NOT part of the Strategic Petroleum
> Reserve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve
In reality all of the oil that belongs to the people of the United States
is the strategic petroleum reserve of the USA. You are right. I should
not have made it a title. My bad.
The Trucker
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:28:32 -0700, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>>70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>>pump it back into the ground?
>>
> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why anyone would
> work hard all week then take the some of the earnings from that work
> and put it in a bank?
You missed the point so maybe I will expand using your supposed analogy:
If you _KNEW_ that your earnings were just as private to you and just as
stable and accessible to you while being left with the employer, then why
would you pick them up and move them somewhere else?
That oil is not going to run away and the Martians are not going to steal
it out of the North slope. It is stored where it is. Why move it to a
different storage compartment?
More of who's? Who is "their". If we want to "save" _our_ oil why not
leave it in the bank its in? Why transfer it to a different bank in
the USA and endure the transaction costs?
The Trucker
So if we poke a hole in the ANWR it would give us a million barrels a day
according to the Republican Cheer Leaders. That is much more than the
70,000 per day but it is not going to do any good either and it will take
no less then 5 years to poke the hole. Current estimates are a 2 cent
drop in gasoline prices if we could just tap it like a keg this instant.
So lets go back to the question I asked instead of the "LOOK OVER THERE".
Why are we wasting resources moving oil from one storage compartment to
another?
The Trucker
It really is a parade of stupidity, isn't it.
B1ackwater
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:08:32 +0000, B1ackwater wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:28:32 -0700, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>>>70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>>>pump it back into the ground?
>>
>> A little easier to get at in Texas I suppose.
>
>That is actually a rational answer. I do not think it adequate but it is
>rational.
>
>> And, the sooner Alaska is pumped dry, the sooner the
>> widdle animals can have it all back to themselves.
>
>Ah yes... Republican sneering. A mainstay.
>
>>>Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
>>>threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>>
>> Apparently you were just a pup during the big oil embargos
>> during the 70s.
>
>Am an 63. I was there and almost full grown. (25 years old in 1970)
>
>> THAT'S why we keep vast quantities of oil in handy storage.
>> Damned sensible policy too.
>
>It is already "in storage" in Alaska.
Yes and no ...
It has to be pumped out of the ground there - which takes time -
and then it has to be transported WAY down this-a-way.
Adding a proportion to a storage system that can be much more
quickly drained, and moved much more quickly to the nearby
refineries ... well, it's just smarter.
>> Oh yea, wasting the emergency supply ... ain't gonna do much
>> of anything for prices. Your SUV is *still* history ... that
>> "Sweet !" hemi tasting more sour every day.
>
>While it is true that the larger autos are "history", demand has not
>increased as much as production capacity and was not projected to do so 2
>years ago. The current prices cannot be explained away as demand driven at
>all.
Nope.
It's artificial manipulation of supply and expectations of future
supplies by international petro-speculators. OPEC and pals add
their little fee too.
Thing is, because they're "international", there's little that
can be DONE about the speculators activities - and OPEC isn't
gonna suck-up to Bush, McCain, Obama or HRC.
The cartels and speculators have engineered a very effective
system for driving up prices. They'll keep inching-up the price
until they finally cause a noteworthy dip in demand ... meaning
there's no more profit in raising prices further. "What the
market will bear", as they say. They're in it for the MONEY
after all ... not your sense of well being.
If they're clever, they'll invest now in companies like VW that
make small fuel-efficient cars ... because thier price hikes
are causing a definite shift in that direction. Double profits !
The Trucker
That was not the question asked. It is still up there. You neglected to
edit it out. I asked you first. Lets get an answer that makes sense from
you regarding the question I asked. Than I will address your NEW question.
Anon aka
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:30:00 -0700, Anon aka wrote:
>
>>
>> "The Trucker" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.05.15....@verizon.net...
>>>
>>> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
>>> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
>>> pump it back into the ground?
>>>
>>> Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States
>>> would
>>> threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>>>
>>> Must be the Republican version of a "jobs" program.
>>>
>>> The "Strategic Petroleum Reserve" already exists in several places and
>>> it
>>> will not be jumping up and running away to Atlantis. But there is
>>> something to consider: Cuba is making a deal with the Chinese to tap
>>> the
>>> oil 60 miles south of Florida which is (according to current
>>> unilateralists and nationalists) part of _OUR_ real "Strategic Petroleum
>>> Reserve".
>>>
>>
>> Your wrong, offshore off the Florida is NOT part of the Strategic
>> Petroleum
>> Reserve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve
>
> In reality all of the oil that belongs to the people of the United States
> is the strategic petroleum reserve of the USA. You are right. I should
> not have made it a title. My bad.
>
Next time you do that, warn me in advance. Finding a polite person like you
in this group is 1 in a million. LOL
The Trucker
No. it isn't. But you at least have a rational answer.
>>> Oh yea, wasting the emergency supply ... ain't gonna do much
>>> of anything for prices. Your SUV is *still* history ... that
>>> "Sweet !" hemi tasting more sour every day.
>>
>>While it is true that the larger autos are "history", demand has not
>>increased as much as production capacity and was not projected to do so 2
>>years ago. The current prices cannot be explained away as demand driven at
>>all.
>
> Nope.
>
> It's artificial manipulation of supply and expectations of future
> supplies by international petro-speculators. OPEC and pals add
> their little fee too.
>
> Thing is, because they're "international", there's little that
> can be DONE about the speculators activities - and OPEC isn't
> gonna suck-up to Bush, McCain, Obama or HRC.
>
> The cartels and speculators have engineered a very effective
> system for driving up prices. They'll keep inching-up the price
> until they finally cause a noteworthy dip in demand ... meaning
> there's no more profit in raising prices further. "What the
> market will bear", as they say. They're in it for the MONEY
> after all ... not your sense of well being.
>
> If they're clever, they'll invest now in companies like VW that
> make small fuel-efficient cars ... because thier price hikes
> are causing a definite shift in that direction. Double profits !
Not bad.....
Burto...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:30:00 -0700, Anon aka wrote:
>
> > "The Trucker" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:pan.2008.05.15....@verizon.net...
>
> >> Would anyone like to offer a rational explanation of why we would pump
> >> 70,000 barrels of oil per day out of North Slope, ship it to Texas, and
> >> pump it back into the ground?
>
> >> Would anyone like to guess why a (P)resident of the _UNITED_ States would
> >> threaten to veto the discontinuance of this outrage?
>
> >> Must be the Republican version of a "jobs" program.
>
> >> The "Strategic Petroleum Reserve" already exists in several places and it
> >> will not be jumping up and running away to Atlantis. But there is
> >> something to consider: Cuba is making a deal with the Chinese to tap the
> >> oil 60 miles south of Florida which is (according to current
> >> unilateralists and nationalists) part of _OUR_ real "Strategic Petroleum
> >> Reserve".
>
> > Your wrong, offshore off the Florida is NOT part of the Strategic Petroleum
>
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If you own 500 acres in west texas and also own the mineral rights and
Exxon comes along discovers oil and gas under your property you'll
tell Exxon, "leave it there for now and come back in 20 years"?? You
are probably a fool but maybe not a DAMNED Fool.
Burto...@gmail.com
So the $35 million worth of oil and gas under your property belongs
to the "people"?? Well hell, tell em' to start drilling I want my
royalty check muy pronto culero !!
> "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> of society but the people themselves; and
> if we think them not enlightened enough to
> exercise their control with a wholesome
> discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> them, but to inform their discretion by
Burto...@gmail.com
Straight off the Nancy Piglosi website's talking point of the day.
You people are ssskkkkkkkkaaaaaarrrrrrreeeeee !!!!
> So lets go back to the question I asked instead of the "LOOK OVER THERE".
>
> Why are we wasting resources moving oil from one storage compartment to
> another?
>
> --
> "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> of society but the people themselves; and
> if we think them not enlightened enough to
> exercise their control with a wholesome
> discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> them, but to inform their discretion by
Anon aka
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Actually, in Texas, especially east Texas, it is unlikely you own the
mineral rights. The oil belongs to the owner of the mineral rights.
Burto...@gmail.com
> <BurtonU...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's hard to buy land nowadays AND get the mineral rights. I was
trying to simply make a point with trucker but I think I fired it over
his pointy head.
The Trucker
What is the chimperor doing about this?
I mean other than pumping oil out of the north slope and storing it in
Texas.
The Trucker
<<< deletia >>>
What is Pinocchio Bush doing about these problems?
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The Trucker
And you would direct them to pump it out and put it in the "Strategic Oil
Reserve" and sent you a royalty check just like the Alaskans. I can't
blame you for that. But maybe we can prevent any more of this rip off of
OUR oil. Your distraction attempt concerning the oil legally OWNED by an
individual is noted.
Burto...@gmail.com
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What difference does it make? The kooks in congress will block any
move he makes. If he's smart he'll go to Crawford and let the moonbats
fight it out for the rest of the year.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2007/2007-12-06-10.asp
This is what we can expect from the imbeciles in congress from now
on. Look for $10 gas, if you can find it.
The Trucker
Any joint resolution of the Congress becomes law without the signature of
the (P)resident after .... 10 days I think. But it ain't long.
So yes. He should go hole up in Crawford.
> http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2007/2007-12-06-10.asp
>
> This is what we can expect from the imbeciles in congress from now
> on. Look for $10 gas, if you can find it.
Yes. It is. It should have been done 10 years ago, but the Gingrich morons
controlled the Congress then. And the $10 per gallon gasoline is an
objective fact of economic reality, Bubba. Demand is essentially "fixed"
and the dollar just ain't what it was. The $10 gas SHOULD be in 4 years
as opposed to this year or next, but the deregulation of the Oil
Futures markets created yet another Republican bubble. It's sort of lone
the Dot Com bubble that paid down the debt. This one is designed to
fatten up the rich people with more middle class debt.
Bush and the Republicans have accomplished most of what they set out to do
in 2000. They have, more or less, destroyed the United States government.
But the American spirit will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. And it
will not be a brain dead conservative throwback America.
kT
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> > What difference does it make? The kooks in congress will block any
> > move he makes. If he's smart he'll go to Crawford and let the moonbats
> > fight it out for the rest of the year.
>
> Any joint resolution of the Congress becomes law without the signature of
> the (P)resident after .... 10 days I think. But it ain't long.
> So yes. He should go hole up in Crawford.
And he will, now that the Paraguay thing is off with a change of
government down there. That's the idea behind the storing of oil in
TX.
> >http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2007/2007-12-06-10.asp
>
> > This is what we can expect from the imbeciles in congress from now
> > on. Look for $10 gas, if you can find it.
>
> Yes. It is. It should have been done 10 years ago, but the Gingrich morons
> controlled the Congress then. And the $10 per gallon gasoline is an
> objective fact of economic reality, Bubba. Demand is essentially "fixed"
> and the dollar just ain't what it was. The $10 gas SHOULD be in 4 years
> as opposed to this year or next, but the deregulation of the Oil
> Futures markets created yet another Republican bubble. It's sort of lone
> the Dot Com bubble that paid down the debt. This one is designed to
> fatten up the rich people with more middle class debt.
>
> Bush and the Republicans have accomplished most of what they set out to do
> in 2000. They have, more or less, destroyed the United States government.
>
> But the American spirit will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. And it
> will not be a brain dead conservative throwback America.
No, it would have to be, by definition, a solar powered, rocket ship,
space colonization, hydrogen energy America, but with the current crop
of brain dead rednecks, yuppies and gen-yers, that looks unlikely.
Again, look at Michael Griffin's Ares I (the Stick). America is doomed.
Burto...@gmail.com
No? Then what will it be in your utopian world? Will we be like
Venezuela? Maybe like the communist utopia Cuba? You may not be
crowing so loud in a couple years. Only time will tell.
Burto...@gmail.com
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Where do you friggin' lunatics come up with this shit?? Is it the
result of too much LSD back in your glory days of the 60s?
SSSHHHHEEEEESH !!!!!
kT
Who needs the sun to grow crops anyways. We can just string up
millions of miles of cable and run metal halide lamps on generators.
That'll show those Saudi's and Iranian's who's the boss of the world.