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Dionysus  
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 More options May 23 2009, 10:24 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics, alt.politics.conservative, alt.politics.economics, alt.politics.liberalism, alt.politics.media, alt.politics.republican
From: "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:24:56 -0400
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 10:24 am
Subject: Obamacare: Dependency you can count on
FROM REPUBX

HEAD: Obamacare Health: Dependency you can count on

Drip by painful drip, the details of the Democratic health-care-reform plan
have been leaking out. And from what we can see so far, it looks like bad
news for American taxpayers, health-care providers, and, most important,
patients.

The plan would not initially create a government-run, single-payer system
such as those in Canada and Britain. Private insurance would still exist, at
least for a time. But it would be reduced to little more than a public
utility, operating much like the electric company, with the government
regulating every aspect of its operation.

It would be mandated both that employers offer coverage and that individuals
buy it. A government-run plan, similar to Medicare, would be set up to
compete with private insurers. The government would undertake
comparative-effectiveness and cost-effectiveness research, and use the
results to impose practice guidelines on providers. Private insurance would
face a host of new regulations, including a requirement to insure all
applicants and a prohibition on pricing premiums on the basis of risk.
Subsidies would be extended to help middle earners purchase insurance. And
the government would subsidize and manage the development of a national
system of electronic medical records.

The net result would be an unprecedented level of government control over
one-sixth of the U.S. economy, and over some of the most important,
personal, and private decisions in Americans' lives.

Let's look at some of the most troubling ideas in detail.

An employer mandate: Employers would be required to insure their workers
through a "pay or play" mandate. Those who did not provide "meaningful
coverage" for their workers would pay a penalty, equal to some percentage of
their payroll, into a national fund that would provide insurance to
uncovered workers. Such a mandate is, of course, simply a disguised tax on
employment. As Princeton University professor Uwe Reinhardt, the dean of
health-care economists, points out, "[That] the fiscal flows triggered by
mandate would not flow directly through the public budgets does not detract
from the measure's status of a bona fide tax." Estimates suggest that an
employer mandate could cost 1.6 million jobs over the first five years.

An individual mandate: As is the case with an employer mandate, an
individual mandate is essentially a disguised tax. It is also the first in a
series of dominoes that will lead to greater government control of the
health-care system.

To implement an insurance mandate, the government will have to define what
sort of insurance fulfills it. As the CBO puts it, "an individual mandate .
. . would require people to purchase a specific service that would have to
be heavily regulated by the federal government." At the very least,
deductible levels and lifetime caps will have to be specified, and a
minimum-benefits package will likely be spelled out. This means the
oft-repeated promise that "if you are happy with your current insurance, you
can keep it" is untrue. Millions of Americans who are currently satisfied
with their coverage will have to give it up and purchase the insurance the
government wants them to have, even if the new insurance is more expensive
or covers benefits the buyer does not want.

A "public option": The government would establish a new
universal-health-care program, similar to Medicare, that would compete with
private insurance. Regardless of how it is structured or administered, such
a plan would have an inherent advantage in the marketplace because it would
ultimately be subsidized by taxpayers. It could, for instance, keep its
premiums artificially low or offer extra benefits, then turn to the U.S.
Treasury to cover any shortfalls. Consumers would naturally be attracted to
the lower-cost, higher-benefit government program.

A government program would also have an advantage because its tremendous
market presence would allow it to impose much lower reimbursement rates on
doctors and hospitals. Government plans such as Medicare and Medicaid
traditionally reimburse providers at rates considerably below those of
private insurance. Providers recoup the lost income by raising prices for
those with private insurance. It is estimated that privately insured
patients pay $89 billion annually in additional insurance costs because of
cost-shifting from government programs. If the new public option would have
similar reimbursement policies, it would result in additional cost-shifting
of as much as $36.4 billion annually. Such cost-shifting would force
insurers to raise their premiums, making them even less competitive with the
taxpayer-subsidized public plan. Lewin Associates estimates that as many as
118.5 million Americans, nearly two out of every three people with
insurance, would shift to the government program. The result would be a
death spiral for private insurance.

Given that many of the most outspoken advocates of the "public option" have,
in the past, supported a government-run single-payer system, it is
reasonable to suspect they support a public option precisely because it
would squeeze out private insurance and eventually lead to such a system.
President Obama himself has said that if he were designing a health-care
system from scratch, his preference would be a single-payer system "managed
like Canada's." He has also said that, while his proposal is a less radical
approach, "it may be that we end up transitioning to such a system."

Comparative- and cost-effectiveness research. In an attempt to control
health-care costs, the government would undertake research to determine
which health-care procedures and technologies are most effective and, more
ominously, cost-effective. Of course, there is a great deal of waste in the
U.S. health-care system, and if the government's goal were simply to provide
better information there would be little cause for concern. But there is
every reason to believe such research would be used to impose restrictions
on how medicine is practiced. For example, some reform advocates have said
that when an insurance company fails to comply with government practice
guidelines, workers should no longer be able to exempt the value of that
company's plans from their taxable income.

There is no doubt that other countries use comparative-effectiveness
research as the basis for rationing. For example, in Great Britain, the
National Institute on Clinical Effectiveness makes such decisions, including
a controversial determination that certain cancer drugs are "too expensive."
The U.K. government effectively puts a price tag on each citizen's life -
about $44,305 (�30,000) per year, to be exact, under NICE's guidelines. That's
just a baseline, of course, and, as NICE chairman Michael Rawlins points
out, the agency has sometimes approved treatments costing as much as $70,887
(�48,000) per year of extended life. But such treatments are approved only
if it can be shown they extend life by at least three months and are used
for illnesses that affect fewer than 7,000 new patients per year.

The final health-care-reform bill is likely to include a number of other bad
ideas: a host of new insurance regulations that will drive up costs and
limit consumer choice (under one leaked proposal, Americans would be limited
to a choice of four standardized insurance plans); subsidies for
middle-class families (a family of four earning as much as $83,000 per year
would receive subsidized care under one proposal); and government preemption
of private investment and research into health IT. All of this would come at
a cost to taxpayers of at least $1.5 trillion over the next ten years.

The American people are right to demand health-care reform. The current
system is broken. But taken individually, most of the ideas currently being
considered by Congress would make the problems we face even worse. Taken
together, they amount to a complete government takeover of the American
health-care system. That is not the type of reform most Americans seek.
*****************
Wow, ya think reason and logic has any chance against the opportunistic
statism of B.O., The Narcissistic Fascist's bootlickers and potlickers? Sure
hope so.

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best
state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable
one." --Thomas Paine

"Secular, big government progressives recoil from the concept of the
citizen, of the free individual entrusted to operate within his own societal
space, assume his responsibilities, and exploit his potential."--Mark Steyn

"[The] downside of a collectivist society is that people tend to become
slaves to consensus and conformity."--Russell Shorto

"Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of
emergency." --Herbert Hoover

"It's all about ME-E-E-E-E!!!" --B.O., The Narcissistic Fascist

Dionysus


 
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 More options May 23 2009, 12:51 pm
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From: "Z" <Z...@BearHoller.net>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:51:25 -0400
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: Obamacare: Dependency you can count on
Why can a 13 year old girl have her unborn child killed without or with the
parents knowledge, & a 13 year old boy can not refuse Chemo treatment with
his parents knowledge?

Chemo treatment meets the defination of torture.  It can be forced on an
individual by the government, it becomes painful & can kill you.

Z

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 More options May 23 2009, 8:42 pm
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From: AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:42:14 -0700
Local: Sat, May 23 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: Obamacare: Dependency you can count on

On Sat, 23 May 2009 12:51:25 -0400, "Z" <Z...@BearHoller.net> wrote:
>Why can a 13 year old girl have her unborn child killed without or with the
>parents knowledge, & a 13 year old boy can not refuse Chemo treatment with
>his parents knowledge?

>Chemo treatment meets the defination of torture.  It can be forced on an
>individual by the government, it becomes painful & can kill you.

>Z

What a thought-provoking question.....AAC

 
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