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Dionysus

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Aug 5, 2009, 12:25:33 PM8/5/09
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FROM AMERICAN THINKER

HEAD: Citizen Informants
By Bart Willruth

In 1930's Germany, the new socialist government of Adolf Hitler (NAZI
National Socialist Workers' Party) began indoctrinating children in the
quasi-military organization, the Hitler Youth, to inform on their parents
should they overhear discussions subversive to the policies of the Leader.
As the noose was tightened, local community organizers were appointed to
watch their neighbors and were told to report subversive comments to the
bureaucrats above them. Neighbors informed on neighbors, some for reasons of
patriotism or loyalty, some from fear. A modern inquisition ensued; a terror
to free thought and expression. Increasingly harsh penalties were meted out
to those who dared to dissent.

The socialist governments of the Soviet Union, Fascist Italy, N. Korea,
Cuba, Yugoslavia, and the People's Republic of China employed the same
citizen informer techniques. Citizens of those societies were reduced to
either silence or whispered discussion only among those they trusted the
most. Of course none of those things would ever occur here in the land of
the free. But wait...

Now on the White House website posted by Macon Phillips comes an eerily
similar request for citizens to inform on their neighbors. It states: "There
is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning
from control of personal finances to the end of life care. These rumors
often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual
conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White
House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on
the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to
fl...@whitehouse.gov."

Read this again carefully. The government of the United States is openly
asking citizens to report rumors, the contents of casual conversation, and
the contents of emails. They decry the fact that they are unable to "keep
track" of the communication between citizens effectively and are asking for
help from informers. Of course forwarded emails would contain the electronic
addresses of the sender.

Does this sound like the country you know (knew)? Are these the words of
people who think of themselves as public servants, or is this something
darker? Does a constitutional government tasked with protecting the rights
of its citizens ask them to inform on each other to the White House?

Are we now like one of those totalitarian states? No. But we have become
more collectivist. Is the move toward appointing unaccountable Czars with
enormous authority, the takeover of multiple industries (corporatism), the
restructuring of the economy on a socialist-command model, and the request
for citizens to inform on their fellows a step closer to that ugly place?
Unquestionably, the answer has to be yes. We must be concerned with the
direction in which we are headed as well as the breathtaking speed.

Forty years ago, a philosopher named Leonard Peikoff wrote a book (still in
print) called The Ominous Parallels. In it he shows the parallels (then
scarcely noticeable) between the rise of Hitler's socialism and the trends
in the United States. At the time, the book could have been dismissed as the
ranting of an over-zealous, though erudite and articulate, conspiracy nut.

In retrospect, Peikoff appears to have been quite prescient. Reading it
today, it appears like a roadmap of the last half century and how we got to
this point. The implications are clear. If the direction of the nation and
the philosophic perspective of the populace isn't brought back to the
founding principles, the end point is predetermined. Unfortunately, the
premises underlying the agenda are shared by both major parties. The
opposition party is neutered in that it has accepted the premises of the
socialists, a strategy doomed to failure.

My father and several uncles risked their lives in World War II to bring
down the socialist threat of the German and Italian Axis powers. They
survived. Many of their buddies were maimed or killed in that struggle. That
generation successfully destroyed the military threat, but their efforts
were blunted by the persistence of the altruist-collectivist philosophical
virus which animated those socialists and which has infected the USA. Aside
from the anti-Semitism of that time, both Western Europe and the USA are
thoroughly imbued with the language and programs of the National Socialist
program including its major platforms of National Health care, National
Retirement benefits, National business plans, National agricultural plans,
social safety nets, politically correct expression expectations, national
ministers or Czars who answer only to the Leader, and the endless "we" talk
so characteristic of collectivist societies.

Our forebears sacrificed so much to pass on the blessings of liberty. The
least that we can do in the shadow of those heroes is to exercise our right
to speak, and to do so out loud, not in whispers fearing that someone will
forward our thoughts to the Watchers. These intimidating tactics must end.
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SOME COMMENTS ON THE SITE ABOUT THIS

Posted by: Randy
This calls for passive-aggressive behavior. We must swamp their e-mail
system with tips about Democrats giving out false information until they
shut down the informant program.

Cut and paste a few sentences about healthcare from any leftist Democrat
lawmaker's website and forward it in an e-mail to the White House. Then
pretend to be sincerely concerned because you are absolutely sure this
lawmaker is lying to Americans. Don't let on that it is a prank.

For example, if Barney Frank's website assures voters that they will be able
to keep their own healthcare insurance, copy that statement and forward it
to the White House indicating that his statement obviously is a lie. "I just
wanted to make sure our fine president knows that this Mr. Frank is lying."

The Obama administration will be miffed by the response. Axelrod will go to
BO and say, "Boss, you know how we thought we'd get hundreds of tips about
things Rush Limbaugh said? We figured we could publish the results and
discredit Limbaugh, turning him into a villain to distract voters from our
scam."

"Instead, we're getting thousands of tips from concerned citizens that think
Barney Frank and Diane Feinstein are spreading lies about our plan. Here's
the rub: they're reporting exactly what Barney and Diane are saying, and
that is consistent with what we are saying. We are so screwed."

Posted by: Pragmatist
There is only one possible comment to put on this far left NAZI request from
the Obamanation and the Democratic 'libtards' and that is
"Sieg Heil!! Sieg Heil!!! Sieg Heil!!! Meine Fuhrer"

Posted by: JRG3
Rise up! Make your voices heard! There is within this land a rebellious
patriot spirit that will not be subjugated by the likes of Mr. Obama. This
great country is a capitalist democratic republic, not perfect, but better
than any other form of government on this globe. No one without the consent
of ALL the governed may change that. If some elitist elected
'representatives' wish to test that theory they will be awakened to their
commonality with the man and woman who vote for them and pay their salaries.

Posted by: Pragmatist
What an 'Inconvenient Truth' it is indeed for the 'libtards' that the NAZI's
were the 'National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party ' oh how they wish
everyone would just accepted THEIR deceitful propaganda that NAZI's are
right wing.
BTW have you seen the latest in SOCIALIST Britain they are proposing
installing CCTV camera's in 20-40000 homes to monitor the occupants
behaviour and to intervene when THEY think thy should. Think I am making
this up well OVER 2000 homes have ALREADY had cameras installed and the
budget is already agreed and the organisation to run it set up. Check the UK
newspapers and Al Bee Bee Ceera.
Look out USA this is where the Obamanation is leading you.

Posted by: Matthew Quigley
The time has come to fight this tyrant! We need to TAKE OUR NATION BACK and
try these thugs for TREASON! Those found guilty of aiding and abetting Obama
deserve an appropriate fate!
SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS!
"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickock."

Posted by: Bill Williams
As far as I can tell, the primary difference between Obeyme & Co. and the
early Nazi regime is that the Nazis were extreme nationalists and our
fascists are anti-nationalist one-worlders (I call them Globalfascists).

Oh, and also that the Nazis hated the communists (only because they saw them
as their rivals in totalitarianism); Obeyme & Co. don't appear to hate
communists (like Chavez, Noriega, Ayers, Wright, the Castro Bros., Zelaya,
CPUSA, etc.)

Here's a short checklist of similarities:
-Charismatic Leader with fantastic oratory skills
-Cult-like following of "oppressed" population
-"Community Organizers" (Nazi brown shirts, Obeyme's ACORN)
-Nationalize industry
-Higher taxes
-Weak predecessor gov't coming off an unpopular war
-Masterful propaganda and state controlled media (MSM)
-Attempt to control radio transmissions (censorship doctrine)
-Racial, ethnic and religious tensions (bitter clingers, rev wright, stupid
cops/racial profiling)
-Indoctrination of the young
-Demonizing of political opponents
-Control of the Judiciary
-Attempt to marginalize rival political parties (upcoming census)

Posted by: 2thman
Orwell's 1984 had children joining clubs called the Young Spies, they were
expected to inform on their parents or anyone in their neighborhood who
doubted Big Brother or questioned the veracity of any government report.
Citizens were also expected to inform on other citizens and could be picked
up for not informing on co-workers, friends, neighbors, and family. I
suppose implementing these programs will be the next steps of our soon to be
or at least want to be Totalitarian Marxist Administration.

Personally, I have no intention of yielding to the yoke of Communism, I
don't care how many of you fools voted to throw away your Freedoms, I refuse
to submit. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Boxer, Waters, Feinstein, Collins,
Snow, and Specter can be your ruling elites while you are fitted to your
chains; but no, our founding fathers, great leaders of the past, and all
those who have served this country would have looked at this rogues gallery
of arrogant incompetents with shock and disbelief. They can lead you down
the garden path, but I refuse. They are not my leaders!

On the right flank, 201 rounds, a steady hand and a confident grin.
Semper Fi
*************
I especially liked the quote from Matthew Quigley about Dodge City and Bill
Hickock...good stuff.

Of course, there are runny-nosed runts 'round here who would gleefully be
quisling weasels for The Lyin' Prick.

"Where an excess of power prevails...No man is safe in his opinions, his
person, his faculties, or his possessions." --James Madison

Dionysus (American citizen, still here, BHO/RIP)


Pete10016

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Aug 5, 2009, 1:37:09 PM8/5/09
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"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
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Well hell, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4f-rftBek8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acton.org%2F&feature=player_embedded

Pete10016

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Aug 5, 2009, 1:57:33 PM8/5/09
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"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
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Well hell, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4f-rftBek8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acton.org%2F&feature=player_embedded

Pete10016

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"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in message
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Well hell, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4f-rftBek8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acton.org%2F&feature=player_embedded

Dionysus

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"Pete10016" <Pe...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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*************
Excellent, thanks. Should be required for all the runny-nosed runts 'round
here.

Similarities between Obama and Hitler:


-Charismatic Leader with fantastic oratory skills
-Cult-like following of "oppressed" population

-Community Organizers (Nazi brown shirts, Obeyme's ACORN)


-Nationalize industry
-Higher taxes
-Weak predecessor gov't coming off an unpopular war
-Masterful propaganda and state controlled media (MSM)
-Attempt to control radio transmissions (censorship doctrine)
-Racial, ethnic and religious tensions (bitter clingers, rev wright, stupid
cops/racial profiling)
-Indoctrination of the young
-Demonizing of political opponents
-Control of the Judiciary
-Attempt to marginalize rival political parties (upcoming census)

Dionysus (American citizen, still here, BHO/RIP)

Lamont Cranston

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Aug 5, 2009, 3:27:13 PM8/5/09
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The Denis wrote:
> FROM AMERICAN THINKER

>
> HEAD: Citizen Informants

A total mischaracterization of the White House request by
the Denis and American Thinker(sic).

You're a fucking liar, Denis.

Michael Coburn

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Aug 5, 2009, 5:42:38 PM8/5/09
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:25:33 -0400, Dionysus wrote:

> FROM AMERICAN THINKER
>
> HEAD: Citizen Informants
> By Bart Willruth
>
> In 1930's Germany, the new socialist government of Adolf Hitler (NAZI
> National Socialist Workers' Party) began indoctrinating children in the
> quasi-military organization, the Hitler Youth, to inform on their
> parents should they overhear discussions subversive to the policies of
> the Leader.

That's quite enough. The Hitler and the Nazi crap more or less ends the
rational discussion.

The government, as a service to the people, is attempting to discover the
lies that are being perpetrated by rightarded assholes. There is not one
iota of evidence or rational expectation that the government or the White
House intends anything other than clarification and truth. There is no
threat to the lying pigs that create and disseminate the lies. They can
lie all they want in this free country. An attempt is being made to
discover the lies so that the lies can be addressed and corrected.

What is interesting is that some studies have shown that the correction
of the lies normally does no good. The people who believed the swill in
the first place will continue to suck on it even after it has been proved
false. But that is not true in many cases. IN many cases the people are
actually rational enough to understand that government isn't really the
enemy and that if it is, then it needs to be fixed as opposed to removed.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Major Debacle

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Aug 5, 2009, 6:09:54 PM8/5/09
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Dionysus wrote:

>
> Dionysus (American citizen, still here... and BHO is still President.

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