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Breaking Down Centi-Millionaire 'Papa' John Schnatter's Obamacare Math
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John Manning
Nov 16, 2012, 7:43:38 PM11/16/12
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Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa John’s
International has occasionally railed against the reform for
months. Leading up to the election, he was a Mitt Romney supporter
and fundraiser. Now that the election is over, he’s doubling down
on his claim that the health care reform will force his company to
increase pizza prices by 10-14 cents a pie. He estimates that
Obamacare will end up costing his company $5-8 million annually.
The issue: the Affordable Care Act dictates that full-time
employees (30 hours or more per week) at companies with more than
50 workers need to be provided health insurance. Schnatter has
further claimed that some employers will cut employee hours to
avoid providing them with healthcare.
His remarks have sparked anger on the internet, one thread on
social news site Reddit, titled “There are plenty of places to get
cheap s***** pizza in the world- Anyone else on reddit ready to
boycott Papa John’s?” has captured more than 21,000 up-votes and
4,500 comments. A host of Facebook groups with the same idea have
cropped up in the past 48 hours.
Meanwhile, shares in Papa John’s International have been tumbling
since last Thursday, falling from $51.70 at market close Wednesday
to $49.22 on Monday, a 4.2% drop.
Checking Papa Schnatter’s Math
Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in
revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if
Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8
million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4%
to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s
difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase,
given size and topping differentials, but many of their large
specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on
a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost
transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium
pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price
increase.
For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly
half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for
both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price
increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare
will cost him.
Continues:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-
centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
Learn the truth about the Muslim Brotherhood:
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
Libya: The Real Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CrVUYOooRQ
International has occasionally railed against the reform for
months. Leading up to the election, he was a Mitt Romney supporter
and fundraiser. Now that the election is over, he’s doubling down
on his claim that the health care reform will force his company to
increase pizza prices by 10-14 cents a pie. He estimates that
Obamacare will end up costing his company $5-8 million annually.
The issue: the Affordable Care Act dictates that full-time
employees (30 hours or more per week) at companies with more than
50 workers need to be provided health insurance. Schnatter has
further claimed that some employers will cut employee hours to
avoid providing them with healthcare.
His remarks have sparked anger on the internet, one thread on
social news site Reddit, titled “There are plenty of places to get
cheap s***** pizza in the world- Anyone else on reddit ready to
boycott Papa John’s?” has captured more than 21,000 up-votes and
4,500 comments. A host of Facebook groups with the same idea have
cropped up in the past 48 hours.
Meanwhile, shares in Papa John’s International have been tumbling
since last Thursday, falling from $51.70 at market close Wednesday
to $49.22 on Monday, a 4.2% drop.
Checking Papa Schnatter’s Math
Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in
revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if
Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8
million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4%
to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s
difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase,
given size and topping differentials, but many of their large
specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on
a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost
transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium
pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price
increase.
For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly
half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for
both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price
increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare
will cost him.
Continues:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-
centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
Learn the truth about the Muslim Brotherhood:
http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
Libya: The Real Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CrVUYOooRQ
Yez
Nov 16, 2012, 8:20:09 PM11/16/12
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John Manning wrote on alt.california:
> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
> for months.
Over 100,000 signers..
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
'rena
People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
places, they have much better food!
'rena
--
"Hooray for our side!" -Buffalo Springfield
> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
> for months.
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
'rena
People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
places, they have much better food!
'rena
--
"Hooray for our side!" -Buffalo Springfield
Steve
Nov 16, 2012, 8:44:06 PM11/16/12
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On 17 Nov 2012 01:20:09 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>John Manning wrote on alt.california:
>
>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
>> for months.
>
>Over 100,000 signers..
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
>
>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
>places, they have much better food!
>
>'rena
We are going to have Papa John's Pizza tomorrow night. It's really
>John Manning wrote on alt.california:
>
>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
>> for months.
>
>Over 100,000 signers..
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
>
>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
>places, they have much better food!
>
>'rena
the best home delivery pizza and we have grandchildren this weekend.
Yez
Nov 16, 2012, 9:31:42 PM11/16/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
> We are going to have Papa John's Pizza tomorrow night.
Ha.. 750 more signatures in the short time since the url was posted!
Here it is again folks!
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
'rena
--
I am union made in the USA!
> We are going to have Papa John's Pizza tomorrow night.
Here it is again folks!
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
'rena
--
I am union made in the USA!
emoneyjoe
Nov 16, 2012, 10:17:58 PM11/16/12
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:43:38 +0100, John Manning <conta...@126.com>
wrote:
>Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa John?
>
>Last year, Papa John? International captured $1.218 billion in
is not a direct percentage of gross revenue,
it is more related to the gross payroll with
benefits and the added cost is related to
the additional cost in that number due to
the ACA mandates.
wrote:
>Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa John?
>International has occasionally railed against the reform for
>months. Leading up to the election, he was a Mitt Romney supporter
>and fundraiser. Now that the election is over, he? doubling down
>months. Leading up to the election, he was a Mitt Romney supporter
>on his claim that the health care reform will force his company to
>increase pizza prices by 10-14 cents a pie. He estimates that
>Obamacare will end up costing his company $5-8 million annually.
>
>The issue: the Affordable Care Act dictates that full-time
>employees (30 hours or more per week) at companies with more than
>50 workers need to be provided health insurance. Schnatter has
>further claimed that some employers will cut employee hours to
>avoid providing them with healthcare.
>His remarks have sparked anger on the internet, one thread on
>social news site Reddit, titled ?here are plenty of places to get
>increase pizza prices by 10-14 cents a pie. He estimates that
>Obamacare will end up costing his company $5-8 million annually.
>
>The issue: the Affordable Care Act dictates that full-time
>employees (30 hours or more per week) at companies with more than
>50 workers need to be provided health insurance. Schnatter has
>further claimed that some employers will cut employee hours to
>avoid providing them with healthcare.
>His remarks have sparked anger on the internet, one thread on
>cheap s***** pizza in the world- Anyone else on reddit ready to
>boycott Papa John???has captured more than 21,000 up-votes and
>4,500 comments. A host of Facebook groups with the same idea have
>cropped up in the past 48 hours.
>
>Meanwhile, shares in Papa John? International have been tumbling
>cropped up in the past 48 hours.
>
>since last Thursday, falling from $51.70 at market close Wednesday
>to $49.22 on Monday, a 4.2% drop.
>
>Checking Papa Schnatter? Math
>to $49.22 on Monday, a 4.2% drop.
>
>
>Last year, Papa John? International captured $1.218 billion in
>revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if
>Schnatter? math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8
>million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4%
>to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It?
>difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase,
>given size and topping differentials, but many of their large
>specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on
>a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost
>transference becomes less equitable if you?e looking at medium
>given size and topping differentials, but many of their large
>specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on
>a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost
>pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price
>increase.
>
>For the sake of argument, let? say that Papa John? sells exactly
>increase.
>
>half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for
>both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price
>increase ?well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare
>both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price
>will cost him.
>
>
>Continues:
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-
>centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
>
>Learn the truth about the Muslim Brotherhood:
>http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
>
>Libya: The Real Story
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CrVUYOooRQ
Bad math, the cost to serving a pizza
>
>
>Continues:
>http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-
>centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/
>
>Learn the truth about the Muslim Brotherhood:
>http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
>
>Libya: The Real Story
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CrVUYOooRQ
is not a direct percentage of gross revenue,
it is more related to the gross payroll with
benefits and the added cost is related to
the additional cost in that number due to
the ACA mandates.
emoneyjoe
Nov 16, 2012, 10:27:15 PM11/16/12
to
>John Manning wrote on alt.california:
>
>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
>> for months.
>
>Over 100,000 signers..
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
>
>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
>places, they have much better food!
>
>'rena
Do you know of any, and are you sure
>
>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
>> for months.
>
>Over 100,000 signers..
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
>
>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned pizza
>places, they have much better food!
>
>'rena
they will not have to raise prices to be
able to stay in business with all the
new taxes, rules, regulations, and
other costs?
Yez
Nov 16, 2012, 11:32:17 PM11/16/12
to
emoneyjoe wrote on alt.politics.obama:
> On 17 Nov 2012 01:20:09 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>John Manning wrote on alt.california:
>>
>>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>>> John's International has occasionally railed against the
>>> reform for months.
[snip]
>>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned
>>pizza places, they have much better food!
>>
>>'rena
>
> Do you know of any, and are you sure
> they will not have to raise prices to be
> able to stay in business with all the
> new taxes, rules, regulations, and
> other costs?
Yes the San Diego area has scads of independent pizza joints, of
course they don't fall under the new affordable healthcare rules
and neither does my business, we have less than 50 employee's. At
least that's my understanding of it and I admit that is sparce.
The health insurance we pay now (and have for 25 years) is
breaking our backs.. $1,200 to Kaiser every month for two thin,
healthy, active people who NEVER (knock wood) get sick or need
doctors. My fingers are crossed that Obamacare will be better!
'rena
PS Many of us don't care if any business needs to raises prices a
bit to accomodate the new law and improve life for our neighbors
and maybe even ourselves! I already pay extra to buy made in USA,
Union, organic labels, what's another buck or two.
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
"And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profit
he made on your dreams" - Traffic
> On 17 Nov 2012 01:20:09 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>John Manning wrote on alt.california:
>>
>>> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
>>> John's International has occasionally railed against the
>>> reform for months.
>>People.. give your business to the 'mom and pop' locally owned
>>pizza places, they have much better food!
>>
>>'rena
>
> Do you know of any, and are you sure
> they will not have to raise prices to be
> able to stay in business with all the
> new taxes, rules, regulations, and
> other costs?
course they don't fall under the new affordable healthcare rules
and neither does my business, we have less than 50 employee's. At
least that's my understanding of it and I admit that is sparce.
The health insurance we pay now (and have for 25 years) is
breaking our backs.. $1,200 to Kaiser every month for two thin,
healthy, active people who NEVER (knock wood) get sick or need
doctors. My fingers are crossed that Obamacare will be better!
'rena
PS Many of us don't care if any business needs to raises prices a
bit to accomodate the new law and improve life for our neighbors
and maybe even ourselves! I already pay extra to buy made in USA,
Union, organic labels, what's another buck or two.
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
"And the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profit
he made on your dreams" - Traffic
emoneyjoe
Nov 17, 2012, 1:27:24 AM11/17/12
to
have (hardly) ever used it?
Sucker!
Why would the ACA be better, the
rates have to go up, do you think your
insurance company will lower rates?
I don't know what the rules are
about 80% being required to be spent
on fees, but I don't think that can apply
to individual policies, the whole idea of
insurance is the non-users paying for
the big users.
>PS Many of us don't care if any business needs to raises prices a
>bit to accomodate the new law and improve life for our neighbors
>and maybe even ourselves! I already pay extra to buy made in USA,
>Union, organic labels, what's another buck or two.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
health care insurance industry, as are
a lot of people, and what do you think
your SS monthly will be?
Liberals don't care much about any
thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 6:44:49 AM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 02:31:42 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> We are going to have Papa John's Pizza tomorrow night.
>
>Ha.. 750 more signatures in the short time since the url was posted!
>Here it is again folks!
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
<LOL> Papa John's will prosper just as much a Chick-fil-A prospered
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> We are going to have Papa John's Pizza tomorrow night.
>
>Ha.. 750 more signatures in the short time since the url was posted!
>Here it is again folks!
>
>http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
>
>'rena
when lefties made a big fuss over them. A <LOL> "boycott" by a few of
you bottom feeding leftists isn't going to hurt them and may well
improve their sales.
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 9:18:11 AM11/17/12
to
emoneyjoe wrote on alt.california:
> Liberals don't care much about any
> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
Yep, I knew it was a mistake replying to you again, disjointed ideas
and insults.. I did not insult you. I tried to discuss the issue
with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
discuss ideas and dance with bright people who love politics. I won't
make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
'rena
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
"If you say mean things your weenie will shrink." -Eminem
> Liberals don't care much about any
> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
and insults.. I did not insult you. I tried to discuss the issue
with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
discuss ideas and dance with bright people who love politics. I won't
make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
'rena
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
"If you say mean things your weenie will shrink." -Eminem
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 9:29:21 AM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 14:18:11 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>emoneyjoe wrote on alt.california:
>
>
>> Liberals don't care much about any
>> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
>
>Yep, I knew it was a mistake replying to you again, disjointed ideas
>and insults.. I did not insult you. I tried to discuss the issue
>with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
>discuss ideas and dance with bright people who love politics. I won't
>make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
>
>'rena
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>
>
>emoneyjoe wrote on alt.california:
>
>
>> Liberals don't care much about any
>> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
>
>Yep, I knew it was a mistake replying to you again, disjointed ideas
>and insults.. I did not insult you. I tried to discuss the issue
>with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
>discuss ideas and dance with bright people who love politics. I won't
>make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
>
>'rena
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>
>
>"If you say mean things your weenie will shrink." -Eminem
Quoting a wild-eyed nutcase like eminem makes you look like wild-eyed
nutcase too.
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 9:30:57 AM11/17/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
> <LOL> Papa John's will prosper just as much a Chick-fil-A
> prospered when lefties made a big fuss over them. A <LOL>
> "boycott" by a few of you bottom feeding leftists isn't going to
> hurt them and may well improve their sales.
>
"Bottom feeding leftists", lovely.. snarling vitriol. Well here is
some more news to LOL about.
Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
NEW YORK ? Shares of Papa John's declined on Tuesday following
news of class-action certification for a lawsuit that claims the
pizza chain had unsolicited text messages sent to cell phones.
THE SPARK: The lawsuit filed with the U.S. District Court for the
Western District of Washington in Seattle claims Papa John's
violated state and federal law when they had the marketing company
OnTime4U send unsolicited text messages on its behalf to cell
phones advertising their pizza products. The lawsuit says that
500,000 illegal text messages were sent to Papa John's customers
across the U.S.
Papa John's faces potential damages of more than $250 million. The
plaintiffs may each potentially receive $500 or more in damages
for each text message.
Messages left with Papa John's seeking comment were not
immediately returned.
http://tinyurl.com/cb7pqtv
aka
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57549236/papa-johns-falls-
on-news-of-class-action-suit/
Guess he'll have to raise the price on his pies again to cover the
250 million he pays in fines and settlements.
Bon Appetit
'rena
> <LOL> Papa John's will prosper just as much a Chick-fil-A
> prospered when lefties made a big fuss over them. A <LOL>
> "boycott" by a few of you bottom feeding leftists isn't going to
> hurt them and may well improve their sales.
>
some more news to LOL about.
Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
NEW YORK ? Shares of Papa John's declined on Tuesday following
news of class-action certification for a lawsuit that claims the
pizza chain had unsolicited text messages sent to cell phones.
THE SPARK: The lawsuit filed with the U.S. District Court for the
Western District of Washington in Seattle claims Papa John's
violated state and federal law when they had the marketing company
OnTime4U send unsolicited text messages on its behalf to cell
phones advertising their pizza products. The lawsuit says that
500,000 illegal text messages were sent to Papa John's customers
across the U.S.
Papa John's faces potential damages of more than $250 million. The
plaintiffs may each potentially receive $500 or more in damages
for each text message.
Messages left with Papa John's seeking comment were not
immediately returned.
http://tinyurl.com/cb7pqtv
aka
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57549236/papa-johns-falls-
on-news-of-class-action-suit/
Guess he'll have to raise the price on his pies again to cover the
250 million he pays in fines and settlements.
Bon Appetit
'rena
Dakota
Nov 17, 2012, 9:45:46 AM11/17/12
to
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 11:21:19 AM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 14:30:57 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> <LOL> Papa John's will prosper just as much a Chick-fil-A
>> prospered when lefties made a big fuss over them. A <LOL>
>> "boycott" by a few of you bottom feeding leftists isn't going to
>> hurt them and may well improve their sales.
>>
>
>"Bottom feeding leftists", lovely.. snarling vitriol. Well here is
>some more news to LOL about.
>
>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
The company is not going to be held responsible for what their
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> <LOL> Papa John's will prosper just as much a Chick-fil-A
>> prospered when lefties made a big fuss over them. A <LOL>
>> "boycott" by a few of you bottom feeding leftists isn't going to
>> hurt them and may well improve their sales.
>>
>
>"Bottom feeding leftists", lovely.. snarling vitriol. Well here is
>some more news to LOL about.
>
>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
franchisers did.
Wayne
Nov 17, 2012, 12:19:13 PM11/17/12
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"Yez" wrote in message news:XnsA10DB058...@130.133.4.11...
John Manning wrote on alt.california:
> Papa John Schnatter is no fan of Obamacare. The CEO of Papa
> John's International has occasionally railed against the reform
> for months.
#
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
# 'rena
Let me get this straight. A guy builds a very successful business, and now
you don't want him to have an opinion, or any control over how he runs the
business?
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 12:49:28 PM11/17/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
> On 17 Nov 2012 14:30:57 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
>
> The company is not going to be held responsible for what their
> franchisers did.
So you say but the news articles I've been able to find with Google
don't say anything of the sort, except the quotes from the mouthpiece
for "Papa" putting that spin on it. The court will be the arbiter.
500,000 unsolicited text messages! there oughta be a law about that
kind of spam! (heh) It looks rather like this case will be used as a
warning to spammers who are getting a little fast and loose with
pushing the limits of the law.
'rena
--
"I have always thought that minimum wage should be tied to
politicians raises i.e. whatever percentage raise they get each year
so do the working poor" -Sis
> On 17 Nov 2012 14:30:57 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
>
> The company is not going to be held responsible for what their
> franchisers did.
don't say anything of the sort, except the quotes from the mouthpiece
for "Papa" putting that spin on it. The court will be the arbiter.
500,000 unsolicited text messages! there oughta be a law about that
kind of spam! (heh) It looks rather like this case will be used as a
warning to spammers who are getting a little fast and loose with
pushing the limits of the law.
'rena
--
"I have always thought that minimum wage should be tied to
politicians raises i.e. whatever percentage raise they get each year
so do the working poor" -Sis
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 1:01:23 PM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 17:49:28 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 17 Nov 2012 14:30:57 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
>>
>> The company is not going to be held responsible for what their
>> franchisers did.
>
>So you say but the news articles I've been able to find with Google
>don't say anything of the sort, except the quotes from the mouthpiece
>for "Papa" putting that spin on it. The court will be the arbiter.
>500,000 unsolicited text messages! there oughta be a law about that
>kind of spam! (heh) It looks rather like this case will be used as a
>warning to spammers who are getting a little fast and loose with
>pushing the limits of the law.
>
>
>'rena
<LOL> It was some franchisers who hired OnTime4U, you pathetic fool.
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 17 Nov 2012 14:30:57 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Papa John's falls on news of class-action suit
>>
>> The company is not going to be held responsible for what their
>> franchisers did.
>
>So you say but the news articles I've been able to find with Google
>don't say anything of the sort, except the quotes from the mouthpiece
>for "Papa" putting that spin on it. The court will be the arbiter.
>500,000 unsolicited text messages! there oughta be a law about that
>kind of spam! (heh) It looks rather like this case will be used as a
>warning to spammers who are getting a little fast and loose with
>pushing the limits of the law.
>
>
>'rena
Maybe you should learn to read before you spout off.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/13/technology/mobile/papa-johns/
"The plaintiffs allege that Papa John's (PZZA) franchises sent
customers a total of 500,000 unwanted messages in early 2010."
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 1:19:30 PM11/17/12
to
Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> Let me get this straight. A guy builds a very successful
> business, and now you don't want him to have an opinion, or any
> control over how he runs the business?
No one said he shouldn't express his opinion, but let me get this
straight.. are you saying that it isn't ok for the public to express
their opinion and concern about a person who wants their money and
puts his politics on the street? In my business none of our clients
have a clue about our politics or religion, I know those subjects
will piss off half or maybe more of our customers. Not good for
business, especially not in these times when people are voting more
and more with their pocket books (I know I do!).
'rena
> Let me get this straight. A guy builds a very successful
> business, and now you don't want him to have an opinion, or any
> control over how he runs the business?
straight.. are you saying that it isn't ok for the public to express
their opinion and concern about a person who wants their money and
puts his politics on the street? In my business none of our clients
have a clue about our politics or religion, I know those subjects
will piss off half or maybe more of our customers. Not good for
business, especially not in these times when people are voting more
and more with their pocket books (I know I do!).
'rena
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 1:29:00 PM11/17/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
> <LOL> It was some franchisers who hired OnTime4U, you pathetic
> fool.
Tell it to the judge.. and the stock holders. (I hope it is a jury case!)
'rena
PS if anything here is pathetic it is your conversation skill.
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
> <LOL> It was some franchisers who hired OnTime4U, you pathetic
> fool.
'rena
PS if anything here is pathetic it is your conversation skill.
http://signon.org/sign/papa-johns-stop-threatening?source=mo&id=57857-2951391-CtFbCcx
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 1:47:41 PM11/17/12
to
plaintiff must prove that the franchisor controlled the franchisee’s
day-to-day operations. Clearly that was not the case
I wasn't conversing with you, <LOL> I was laughing at you. I don't
bother conversing with fools.
Yez
Nov 17, 2012, 2:22:30 PM11/17/12
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Steve wrote on alt.politics.obama:
> For a franchisor to be liable for the torts of its franchisee, a
> plaintiff must prove that the franchisor controlled the
> franchisee�s day-to-day operations. Clearly that was not the
> case
To YOU it is clear.. it is obviously NOT clear to the court who
agreed to take the case. Joe Shmoe is not the only one being sued
"papa" John's is, the lawsuit *also* names OnTime4U and five Papa
John's franchisee owners in different states. He clearly DID know
what they were doing, he got many complaints about it and didn't make
it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
> I wasn't conversing with you,
We agree on that.
http://tinyurl.com/ckvmdjo
'rena
> For a franchisor to be liable for the torts of its franchisee, a
> plaintiff must prove that the franchisor controlled the
> franchisee�s day-to-day operations. Clearly that was not the
> case
agreed to take the case. Joe Shmoe is not the only one being sued
"papa" John's is, the lawsuit *also* names OnTime4U and five Papa
John's franchisee owners in different states. He clearly DID know
what they were doing, he got many complaints about it and didn't make
it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
> I wasn't conversing with you,
http://tinyurl.com/ckvmdjo
'rena
emoneyjoe
Nov 17, 2012, 3:20:09 PM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 14:18:11 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>emoneyjoe wrote on alt.california:
No, you crossposted alt.politics obama
>> Liberals don't care much about any
>> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
>
>Yep, I knew it was a mistake replying to you again,
Thank you, but notice what I said
was about liberals.
>disjointed ideas
>and insults.. I did not insult you.
You are trying your best.
>I tried to discuss the issue
>with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
>discuss ideas and dance
You don't know how to dance.
>with bright people who love politics.
Who in their right mind would love
politics? I love the country, freedom,
and all the good things.
>I won't
>make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
>
>'rena
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
Promise?
>emoneyjoe wrote on alt.california:
No, you crossposted alt.politics obama
>> Liberals don't care much about any
>> thing, everything is ok, what, me worry?
>
>Yep, I knew it was a mistake replying to you again,
was about liberals.
>disjointed ideas
>and insults.. I did not insult you.
>I tried to discuss the issue
>with you in a friendly way. I'm not here to be spit at, I'm here to
>discuss ideas and dance
>with bright people who love politics.
politics? I love the country, freedom,
and all the good things.
>I won't
>make the mistake of thinking maybe you are one of those again.
>
>'rena
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
emoneyjoe
Nov 17, 2012, 3:22:19 PM11/17/12
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:29:21 -0500, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
wrote:
I missed that, he _is_ a gutter liberal,
worse than I thought.
wrote:
worse than I thought.
Steve
Nov 17, 2012, 4:27:14 PM11/17/12
to
On 17 Nov 2012 19:22:30 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.politics.obama:
>
>> For a franchisor to be liable for the torts of its franchisee, a
>> plaintiff must prove that the franchisor controlled the
>> franchisee’s day-to-day operations. Clearly that was not the
>> case
>
>To YOU it is clear.. it is obviously NOT clear to the court who
>agreed to take the case.
...and give them the opportunity to prove that the franchisor
>Steve wrote on alt.politics.obama:
>
>> For a franchisor to be liable for the torts of its franchisee, a
>> plaintiff must prove that the franchisor controlled the
>> franchisee’s day-to-day operations. Clearly that was not the
>> case
>
>To YOU it is clear.. it is obviously NOT clear to the court who
>agreed to take the case.
controlled the franchisee’s day-to-day operations.
That's highly unlikely.
> Joe Shmoe is not the only one being sued
>"papa" John's is, the lawsuit *also* names OnTime4U and five Papa
>John's franchisee owners in different states. He clearly DID know
>what they were doing,
>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
Wayne
Nov 17, 2012, 5:47:29 PM11/17/12
to
"Yez" wrote in message news:XnsA10E6908...@130.133.4.11...
Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> Let me get this straight. A guy builds a very successful
> business, and now you don't want him to have an opinion, or any
> control over how he runs the business?
# straight.. are you saying that it isn't ok for the public to express
# their opinion and concern about a person who wants their money and
# puts his politics on the street?
I have no problem with that.....don't like the guy's politics, then don't go
there.
You, on the other hand, are trying to promote an organized public
retaliation.
That's different, and yes I do have a problem with such bullshit.
Yez
Nov 19, 2012, 4:57:21 PM11/19/12
to
Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> "Yez" wrote in message
Wayne.. no one would even know about this if Mr Papa John wouldn't
have tried to affect our election by going public himself with his
own politics. It is tit for tat. There would be no no boycotts,
petitions etc if he didn't take the stump politically. If it's
flying back in his face, it is fair and just desserts.
'rena
PS. Almost 125,000 signatures.. http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
Freedom fighters, speak with your tongues,
Sing with the might of the wind in your lungs. -Donovan
> "Yez" wrote in message
have tried to affect our election by going public himself with his
own politics. It is tit for tat. There would be no no boycotts,
petitions etc if he didn't take the stump politically. If it's
flying back in his face, it is fair and just desserts.
'rena
PS. Almost 125,000 signatures.. http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
Freedom fighters, speak with your tongues,
Sing with the might of the wind in your lungs. -Donovan
Yez
Nov 19, 2012, 5:15:03 PM11/19/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
> That's highly unlikely.
> <LOL> Bullshit!
> More bullshit.
Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running for
office?
Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
'rena
--
Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does. -William James
> That's highly unlikely.
> <LOL> Bullshit!
> More bullshit.
Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running for
office?
Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
'rena
--
Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does. -William James
Steve
Nov 19, 2012, 7:46:06 PM11/19/12
to
On 19 Nov 2012 22:15:03 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> That's highly unlikely.
>
>> <LOL> Bullshit!
>
>> More bullshit.
>
>Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running for
>office?
>
>Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>
>'rena
One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported opinions,
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> That's highly unlikely.
>
>> <LOL> Bullshit!
>
>> More bullshit.
>
>Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running for
>office?
>
>Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>
>'rena
Fruitcake.
Wayne
Nov 19, 2012, 8:07:42 PM11/19/12
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"Yez" wrote in message news:XnsA1108DF6...@130.133.4.11...
Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> "Yez" wrote in message
>
> Wayne wrote on alt.california:
>
>> Let me get this straight. A guy builds a very successful
>> business, and now you don't want him to have an opinion, or any
>> control over how he runs the business?
>
> # No one said he shouldn't express his opinion, but let me get
> this # straight.. are you saying that it isn't ok for the public
> to express # their opinion and concern about a person who wants
> their money and # puts his politics on the street?
>
> I have no problem with that.....don't like the guy's politics,
> then don't go there.
>
> You, on the other hand, are trying to promote an organized
> public retaliation. That's different, and yes I do have a
> problem with such bullshit.
# have tried to affect our election by going public himself with his
# own politics. It is tit for tat. There would be no no boycotts,
# petitions etc if he didn't take the stump politically. If it's
# flying back in his face, it is fair and just desserts.
WTF???? You want to attack and take down anyone who expresses an opinion
contrary to yours?
Anyone who presents an opinion in public deserves "tit for tat", petitions
and boycotts?
That makes you are real dipshit.
Yez
Nov 20, 2012, 3:55:50 AM11/20/12
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Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> WTF???? You want to attack and take down anyone who expresses an
> opinion contrary to yours?
>
> Anyone who presents an opinion in public deserves "tit for tat",
> petitions and boycotts?
WTF yourself. Mr Papa was trying to "take down" my president and his
healthcare plan and fell flat on his face with his intimidation
tactics, he lost, it didn't work, the president was re-elected and Mr
Papa's business has a stain on it.
> That makes you are real dipshit.
It is sad you can't express yourself on the issue without snarling.
'rena
115,000! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
I am Union made in the USA!
> WTF???? You want to attack and take down anyone who expresses an
> opinion contrary to yours?
>
> Anyone who presents an opinion in public deserves "tit for tat",
> petitions and boycotts?
healthcare plan and fell flat on his face with his intimidation
tactics, he lost, it didn't work, the president was re-elected and Mr
Papa's business has a stain on it.
> That makes you are real dipshit.
'rena
115,000! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
--
I am Union made in the USA!
Yez
Nov 20, 2012, 4:16:44 AM11/20/12
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Steve wrote on alt.california:
Which unsupported opinions would those be? That there is in FACT a
petition going around to protest Papa John's attempted
intimidation of the public and his staff during elections? Or the
FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming. There is
nothing unsupported here but your weak, unimaginative invective.
It is public record.
'rena
petition going around to protest Papa John's attempted
intimidation of the public and his staff during elections? Or the
FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming. There is
nothing unsupported here but your weak, unimaginative invective.
It is public record.
'rena
Steve
Nov 20, 2012, 7:02:39 AM11/20/12
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On 20 Nov 2012 09:16:44 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2012 22:15:03 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>>>
>>>> That's highly unlikely.
>>>
>>>> <LOL> Bullshit!
>>>
>>>> More bullshit.
>>>
>>>Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running
>>>for office?
>>>
>>>Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>>>
>>>'rena
>>
>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>
>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
They would be the unsupported opinions that you snipped, you pathetic
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2012 22:15:03 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>>>
>>>> That's highly unlikely.
>>>
>>>> <LOL> Bullshit!
>>>
>>>> More bullshit.
>>>
>>>Your arguments are so compelling! Have you considered running
>>>for office?
>>>
>>>Almost 125,000 signatures! http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
>>>
>>>'rena
>>
>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>
>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
moron... the unsupported opinions that I responded to with the
remarks that you seem to have a problem with.. see below:
Your unsupported opinion...
> He clearly DID know
>what they were doing,
My response...
>what they were doing,
><LOL> Bullshit!
Your unsupported opinion...
>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
My response...
>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
>More bullshit.
You seem to have trouble dealing with issues that are not directly in
front of your eyes. Perhaps you should discuss that with a physician.
Short term memory loss can be a serious problem, especially when seen
with the signs of dementia that you exhibit.
>That there is in FACT a
>petition going around to protest Papa John's attempted
attention is when the protesters get their heads busted or arrested.
>intimidation of the public and his staff during elections?
cause to happen... followed by the warning being ignored and the
warning becoming an event.
>Or the
>FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming.
known until the suit is processed.
>There is
>nothing unsupported here but your weak, unimaginative invective.
>It is public record.
the items I labeled above as being your unsupported opinions.
>'rena
>
>http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
Yez
Nov 20, 2012, 9:54:43 AM11/20/12
to
Steve wrote on alt.california:
>>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>>
>>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
>
> They would be the unsupported opinions that you snipped, you
> pathetic moron... the unsupported opinions that I responded
> to with the remarks that you seem to have a problem with..
> see below:
>
> Your unsupported opinion...
>> He clearly DID know what they were doing,
>
> My response...
>><LOL> Bullshit!
> Your unsupported opinion...
>>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
>
> My response...
>>More bullshit.
I am going on what I read in the Examiner, it was germane to
the conversation and not my opinion.
[snip more weenie-wagging]
>>That there is in FACT etition going around to protest Papa
>>John's attempted intimidation of the public and his staff during
>>Or the FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming.
>
> Anybody can sue anybody for just about anything. The facts are
> not known until the suit is processed.
Weak rant and the FACTS remain.. FACT, Papa John and his asociates
are being sued for spamming, FACT, there is a petition that has
gathered almost 125,000 signatures in re protest of Papa John's
strong arming the public and his staff in a US election. My
opinions don't alter the facts. These FACTS really got your
panties in a wad. But you cannot dispute them, just call me names
and give me a giggle when opening Usenet.
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
'rena
--
"They don't call us the left coast for nothin'" -Sis
>>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>>
>>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
>
> They would be the unsupported opinions that you snipped, you
> pathetic moron... the unsupported opinions that I responded
> to with the remarks that you seem to have a problem with..
> see below:
>
> Your unsupported opinion...
>> He clearly DID know what they were doing,
>
> My response...
>><LOL> Bullshit!
> Your unsupported opinion...
>>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
>
> My response...
>>More bullshit.
the conversation and not my opinion.
[snip more weenie-wagging]
>>That there is in FACT etition going around to protest Papa
>>John's attempted intimidation of the public and his staff during
>>elections?
>
> Leftist protests are a dime a dozen. The only time anybody pays
> attention is when the protesters get their heads busted or
> arrested.
>
> As I recall, there was only a warning of what the strike was
> going to cause to happen... followed by the warning being
> ignored and the warning becoming an event
What strike?
>
> Leftist protests are a dime a dozen. The only time anybody pays
> attention is when the protesters get their heads busted or
> arrested.
>
> As I recall, there was only a warning of what the strike was
> going to cause to happen... followed by the warning being
> ignored and the warning becoming an event
>>Or the FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming.
>
> Anybody can sue anybody for just about anything. The facts are
> not known until the suit is processed.
are being sued for spamming, FACT, there is a petition that has
gathered almost 125,000 signatures in re protest of Papa John's
strong arming the public and his staff in a US election. My
opinions don't alter the facts. These FACTS really got your
panties in a wad. But you cannot dispute them, just call me names
and give me a giggle when opening Usenet.
http://tinyurl.com/c5nanx4
'rena
--
"They don't call us the left coast for nothin'" -Sis
Wayne
Nov 20, 2012, 12:02:04 PM11/20/12
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"Yez" wrote in message news:XnsA111976B...@130.133.4.11...
Wayne wrote on alt.california:
> WTF???? You want to attack and take down anyone who expresses an
> opinion contrary to yours?
>
> Anyone who presents an opinion in public deserves "tit for tat",
> petitions and boycotts?
# healthcare plan and fell flat on his face with his intimidation
# tactics, he lost, it didn't work, the president was re-elected and Mr
# Papa's business has a stain on it.
Doesn't matter. That's called freedom of speech. What you are pushing is
retribution.
You would really have enjoyed the McCarthy hearings, where lefties were
persecuted and had their livelyhoods destroyed.
On second thought, you would have objected to that because the people being
persecuted share your beliefs.
> That makes you are real dipshit.
But the statement still applies.
Steve
Nov 20, 2012, 5:59:50 PM11/20/12
to
On 20 Nov 2012 14:54:43 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>>>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>>>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>>>
>>>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
>>
>> They would be the unsupported opinions that you snipped, you
>> pathetic moron... the unsupported opinions that I responded
>> to with the remarks that you seem to have a problem with..
>> see below:
>>
>> Your unsupported opinion...
>>> He clearly DID know what they were doing,
>>
>> My response...
>>><LOL> Bullshit!
>> Your unsupported opinion...
>>>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>>>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
>>
>> My response...
>>>More bullshit.
>
>I am going on what I read in the Examiner, it was germane to
>the conversation and not my opinion.
<ROTFLMAO> The Examiner, eh?
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>>>> One doesn't need arguments to counter your unsupported
>>>> opinions, Fruitcake.
>>>
>>>Which unsupported opinions would those be?
>>
>> They would be the unsupported opinions that you snipped, you
>> pathetic moron... the unsupported opinions that I responded
>> to with the remarks that you seem to have a problem with..
>> see below:
>>
>> Your unsupported opinion...
>>> He clearly DID know what they were doing,
>>
>> My response...
>>><LOL> Bullshit!
>> Your unsupported opinion...
>>>he got many complaints about it and didn't make
>>>it stop until he relized his butt was in a sling.
>>
>> My response...
>>>More bullshit.
>
>I am going on what I read in the Examiner, it was germane to
>the conversation and not my opinion.
>[snip more weenie-wagging]
>
>>>That there is in FACT etition going around to protest Papa
>>>John's attempted intimidation of the public and his staff during
>>>elections?
>>
>> Leftist protests are a dime a dozen. The only time anybody pays
>> attention is when the protesters get their heads busted or
>> arrested.
>>
>> As I recall, there was only a warning of what the strike was
>> going to cause to happen... followed by the warning being
>> ignored and the warning becoming an event
>
>What strike?
>>>Or the FACT that he and his minions are being sued for spamming.
>>
>> Anybody can sue anybody for just about anything. The facts are
>> not known until the suit is processed.
>
>Weak rant and the FACTS remain.. FACT, Papa John and his asociates
>are being sued for spamming, FACT, there is a petition that has
>gathered almost 125,000 signatures in re protest of Papa John's
>strong arming the public and his staff in a US election.
their business.. may even help it.
.My
Yez
Nov 22, 2012, 1:36:38 AM11/22/12
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Steve wrote on alt.california:
> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable dent
> in their business.. may even help it.
This is so rich.. I suppose you saw the news today that "Papa" is
back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming someone
else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
'rena
--
"'Leftist' - a term used by whiny pseudocon spanktards to describe
people they simply don't like, but with whom they're incapable of
arguing rationally." -Clave
> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable dent
> in their business.. may even help it.
back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming someone
else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
'rena
--
"'Leftist' - a term used by whiny pseudocon spanktards to describe
people they simply don't like, but with whom they're incapable of
arguing rationally." -Clave
Steve
Nov 22, 2012, 5:50:58 AM11/22/12
to
On 22 Nov 2012 06:36:38 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable dent
>> in their business.. may even help it.
>
>This is so rich.. I suppose you saw the news today that "Papa" is
>back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming someone
>else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
>
>'rena
<CHUCKLE> Here's a small suggestion. Perhaps you should try to get
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable dent
>> in their business.. may even help it.
>
>This is so rich.. I suppose you saw the news today that "Papa" is
>back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming someone
>else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
>
>'rena
your news from someplace other than leftist bloggers.
Yez
Nov 22, 2012, 8:27:10 AM11/22/12
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Steve wrote on alt.california:
Are you denying that he walked back his statements yesterday?
Please, you can google (news) as easily as I did.. while you are
rather nasty and stiff necked, you aren't stupid and I'm out of
this round.. Happy Turkey Day
'rena
--
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by
incompetence" -Napoleon Bonaparte
Please, you can google (news) as easily as I did.. while you are
rather nasty and stiff necked, you aren't stupid and I'm out of
this round.. Happy Turkey Day
'rena
--
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by
incompetence" -Napoleon Bonaparte
Steve
Nov 22, 2012, 10:30:59 AM11/22/12
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On 22 Nov 2012 13:27:10 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 22 Nov 2012 06:36:38 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>>>
>>>> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable
>>>> dent in their business.. may even help it.
>>>
>>>This is so rich.. I suppose you saw the news today that "Papa"
>>>is back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming
>>>someone else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
>>>
>>>'rena
>>
>> <CHUCKLE> Here's a small suggestion. Perhaps you should try to
>> get your news from someplace other than leftist bloggers.
>
>
>Are you denying that he walked back his statements yesterday?
I see that you cannot provide any evidence of any contradictions.
>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>
>> On 22 Nov 2012 06:36:38 GMT, Yez <yez...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve wrote on alt.california:
>>>
>>>> <LOL> 125,000 signatures isn't going to make a noticeable
>>>> dent in their business.. may even help it.
>>>
>>>This is so rich.. I suppose you saw the news today that "Papa"
>>>is back pedaling, walking back, denying, flip-flopping, blaming
>>>someone else, just like his boy Romney always does... really.
>>>
>>>'rena
>>
>> <CHUCKLE> Here's a small suggestion. Perhaps you should try to
>> get your news from someplace other than leftist bloggers.
>
>
>Are you denying that he walked back his statements yesterday?
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