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MattB .
May 22, 2013, 5:05:49 PM5/22/13
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U.S. Has Killed Four U.S. Citizens in Drone Strikes, Holder Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-22/u-s-has-killed-four-u-s-citizens-in-drone-strikes-holder-says.html
U.S. drone strikes have killed four American citizens in
counterterrorism operations since 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder
disclosed today to lawmakers.
Holder, in a letter sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, said the U.S. “specifically
targeted and killed one U.S. citizen,” al-Qaeda propagandist Anwar
Al-Awlaki, and the government is aware of three other citizens killed
since 2009.
In a First, U.S. Admits Drones Have Killed 4 Americans
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=0
WASHINGTON — One day before President Obama is due to deliver a major
speech on national security, his administration on Wednesday formally
acknowledged that the United States had killed four American citizens
in drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan.
In a letter to Congressional leaders obtained by The New York Times,
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. disclosed that the administration
had deliberately killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who
was killed in a drone strike in September 2011 in Yemen.
The American responsibility for Mr. Awlaki’s death has been widely
reported, but the administration had until now refused to confirm or
deny it.
The letter also said that the United States had killed three other
Americans: Samir Khan, who was killed in the same strike; Mr. Awlaki’s
son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was also killed in Yemen; and Jude
Mohammed, who was killed in a strike in Pakistan.
“These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United
States,” Mr. Holder wrote.
While rumors of Mr. Mohammed’s death had appeared in local news
reports in Raleigh, N.C., where he lived, his death had not been
confirmed by the United States government until Wednesday.
According to former acquaintances of Mr. Mohammed in North Carolina,
he appears to have been killed in a November 2011 drone strike in
South Waziristan, in Pakistan’s tribal area. Mr. Mohammed’s wife, whom
he had met and married in Pakistan, subsequently called his mother in
North Carolina to tell her of his death, the friends say.
Mr. Holder, in a speech at Northwestern University Law School last
year, laid out the administration’s basic legal thinking that American
citizens who are deemed to be operational terrorists, who pose an
“imminent threat of violent attack” and whose capture is infeasible
may be targeted. That abstract legal thinking — including an elastic
definition of what counts as “imminent” — was further laid out in an
unclassified white paper provided to Congress last year, which was
leaked earlier this year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-22/u-s-has-killed-four-u-s-citizens-in-drone-strikes-holder-says.html
U.S. drone strikes have killed four American citizens in
counterterrorism operations since 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder
disclosed today to lawmakers.
Holder, in a letter sent to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman
Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, said the U.S. “specifically
targeted and killed one U.S. citizen,” al-Qaeda propagandist Anwar
Al-Awlaki, and the government is aware of three other citizens killed
since 2009.
In a First, U.S. Admits Drones Have Killed 4 Americans
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/us-acknowledges-killing-4-americans-in-drone-strikes.html?_r=0
WASHINGTON — One day before President Obama is due to deliver a major
speech on national security, his administration on Wednesday formally
acknowledged that the United States had killed four American citizens
in drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan.
In a letter to Congressional leaders obtained by The New York Times,
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. disclosed that the administration
had deliberately killed Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who
was killed in a drone strike in September 2011 in Yemen.
The American responsibility for Mr. Awlaki’s death has been widely
reported, but the administration had until now refused to confirm or
deny it.
The letter also said that the United States had killed three other
Americans: Samir Khan, who was killed in the same strike; Mr. Awlaki’s
son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was also killed in Yemen; and Jude
Mohammed, who was killed in a strike in Pakistan.
“These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United
States,” Mr. Holder wrote.
While rumors of Mr. Mohammed’s death had appeared in local news
reports in Raleigh, N.C., where he lived, his death had not been
confirmed by the United States government until Wednesday.
According to former acquaintances of Mr. Mohammed in North Carolina,
he appears to have been killed in a November 2011 drone strike in
South Waziristan, in Pakistan’s tribal area. Mr. Mohammed’s wife, whom
he had met and married in Pakistan, subsequently called his mother in
North Carolina to tell her of his death, the friends say.
Mr. Holder, in a speech at Northwestern University Law School last
year, laid out the administration’s basic legal thinking that American
citizens who are deemed to be operational terrorists, who pose an
“imminent threat of violent attack” and whose capture is infeasible
may be targeted. That abstract legal thinking — including an elastic
definition of what counts as “imminent” — was further laid out in an
unclassified white paper provided to Congress last year, which was
leaked earlier this year.
Mitchell Holman
May 22, 2013, 5:32:24 PM5/22/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
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> U.S. Has Killed Four U.S. Citizens in Drone Strikes, Holder Says
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Where was the outrage over drones killing
American terrorists when Bush was doing it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ali_al-Harithi
http://tech.mit.edu/V122/N54/long4-54.54w.html
news:qjcqp8phrnqg3t472...@4ax.com:
> U.S. Has Killed Four U.S. Citizens in Drone Strikes, Holder Says
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American terrorists when Bush was doing it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ali_al-Harithi
http://tech.mit.edu/V122/N54/long4-54.54w.html
MattB .
May 22, 2013, 5:38:16 PM5/22/13
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like either.
Mitchell Holman
May 22, 2013, 6:45:10 PM5/22/13
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opel
May 22, 2013, 7:27:12 PM5/22/13
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opel
May 22, 2013, 7:28:08 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 4:45 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> So you are saying Obama is as bad as Bush?
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> Absolutely, and in sooooooo many ways......
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Actually...worse, by a long shot.
>> So you are saying Obama is as bad as Bush?
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> Absolutely, and in sooooooo many ways......
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Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 7:46:50 PM5/22/13
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Oh my dear god you're an idiot. No, actually it's worse. You're lying and
you know it. Bush was a man of honor and loved this country. Obama is
corrupt piece of shit and hates the country. This is not about YOU and how
you want to be perceived as above the fray, you moderate fuck. This about
the survival of your country and so far you haven't lifted a finger. Vomit.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 7:49:44 PM5/22/13
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to expect from democrats. Corruption and lying nonstop. It's all you know
and all you do. In fact you can't post a single truthful statement made by
Obama or any leading democrat. Not one and you won't try because you know
you can't.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 7:51:30 PM5/22/13
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-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 8:00:21 PM5/22/13
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-Eddie Haskell
> MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
> news:qjcqp8phrnqg3t472...@4ax.com:
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>> U.S. Has Killed Four U.S. Citizens in Drone Strikes, Holder Says
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> Where was the outrage over drones killing
> American terrorists when Bush was doing it?
Hey, Holman, did you enjoy STEALING the election?
> news:qjcqp8phrnqg3t472...@4ax.com:
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>> U.S. Has Killed Four U.S. Citizens in Drone Strikes, Holder Says
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> Where was the outrage over drones killing
> American terrorists when Bush was doing it?
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 8:02:10 PM5/22/13
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Obama has deliberately targeted US citizens for drone strikes while Bush
NEVER did that. Holman is a democrat, therefore a liar.
-Eddie Haskell
NEVER did that. Holman is a democrat, therefore a liar.
-Eddie Haskell
MattB .
May 22, 2013, 8:23:47 PM5/22/13
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so much. As President he sucked as much as Obama does now.
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 8:46:35 PM5/22/13
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That's a goddamned immoral lie and you know it. Bush put the country first
and at his political expense, while Obama doesn't even like the country and
wouldn't spend one drop of political capital on it.
Bush put the country first.
Obama puts himself first. That's what a nigger does.
Fuck it. You don't know what you're talking about and never have and don't
care. Your holy grail is a being a middle of the roader and you don't give a
fuck about the truth or even being moral. Fuck off.
-Eddie Haskell
and at his political expense, while Obama doesn't even like the country and
wouldn't spend one drop of political capital on it.
Bush put the country first.
Obama puts himself first. That's what a nigger does.
Fuck it. You don't know what you're talking about and never have and don't
care. Your holy grail is a being a middle of the roader and you don't give a
fuck about the truth or even being moral. Fuck off.
-Eddie Haskell
MattB .
May 22, 2013, 8:56:18 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:35 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
No Eddie I believe in truth. You and those like Zepp and Gary are so
alike. We must believe as you say without evidence to support it.
Iraq was because Bush was a idiot. You don't start 2 wars at one
time. If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
doing.
Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
conquer the Marxist way.
>
>-Eddie Haskell
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alike. We must believe as you say without evidence to support it.
Iraq was because Bush was a idiot. You don't start 2 wars at one
time. If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
doing.
Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
conquer the Marxist way.
>
>-Eddie Haskell
>
BIG BIRD
May 22, 2013, 9:23:44 PM5/22/13
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that's good bitch, now you know what payback is
get back on them knees and suck that stinkin,slimy,angry,old rich white man's
dick, you lard assed, curly tailed,
big snouted hillbilly hog
we gots to keep them critters busy so they don;t fuck up America any more
BIG BIRD
May 22, 2013, 9:24:16 PM5/22/13
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: "opel" <ad...@novalid.org.> wrote in message
I'm happy you're suffering in agony there gomer
it appears the nigger owns your sorry ass
BIG BIRD
May 22, 2013, 9:25:39 PM5/22/13
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: "Mitchell Holman" <nomailverizon.net> wrote in message
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hell no, we'd rather post lies, they get you dumb asses riled up
we're hopin yall go hillbilly and shoot your children before they grow up to be
like you,
and your wives before they reproduce more retards
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: "Mitchell Holman" <nomailverizon.net> wrote in message
hell no, we'd rather post lies, they get you dumb asses riled up
we're hopin yall go hillbilly and shoot your children before they grow up to be
like you,
and your wives before they reproduce more retards
BIG BIRD
May 22, 2013, 9:27:12 PM5/22/13
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: "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
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bush was very good at sucking stinkin,slimy,filthy,angry,black dick, her
husband george was even better
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: "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
bush was very good at sucking stinkin,slimy,filthy,angry,black dick, her
husband george was even better
BIG BIRD
May 22, 2013, 9:27:58 PM5/22/13
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: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:35 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
:
:
that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
out we can kill them
: On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:35 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
:
that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
out we can kill them
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 10:13:33 PM5/22/13
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like a third world low IQ whore.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 10:16:20 PM5/22/13
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because the man is a nigger, and as such dedicated to LYING. I win again,
you stupid motherfucker. Ooo.. Ooo... EEk! EEK!
-Eddie Hackell
Mitchell Holman
May 22, 2013, 10:21:26 PM5/22/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
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Iran policy, same Israel policy, same drug war
policy, same Gitmo policy, same drone strike
policy, same defense spending policy, same
official secrecy policy, same immigration policy,
same "war on terror" policy, same coxy relationship
with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
rightwingers have been predicting?
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 10:31:16 PM5/22/13
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Iraq was because the intelligence he inherited was FUCKED by Clinton the
same way Obama is fucking our intelligence agencies now. Fuck it. You don't
even know what I'm talking about.
> You don't start 2 wars at one
> time.
You mean like Japan and Germany, shit head?
> If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
> maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
That's the dumbest bit of DNC crap you've ever unloaded. You're fucked and
desperate. Do i need to post the Blix report, STUPID? Do you even know
anything about reality? No. Hell no.
> Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
> administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
> doing.
He has control and his underlings are doing his bidding, stupid shit. How
DARE you compare Bush with him. Your position as a middle of the roader is
NOT more important that the truth, you immoral fuckhead.
> Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
That's because YOU are the biggest idiot. Obama is not an idiot. He's a
lying fucking nigger out to destroy the country and turn it into third world
status, stupid!!
> Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
> conquer the Marxist way.
And you are in on it like a fuckwit. Utterly fucking amazing. Your staked
out position as a middle of the roader is NOT more imprtant than the country
or the TRUTH!
And goddamn don't you EVER compare Bush and Obama again and put them in the
same league, you sick bastard.
-Eddie Haskell
same way Obama is fucking our intelligence agencies now. Fuck it. You don't
even know what I'm talking about.
> You don't start 2 wars at one
> time.
> If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
> maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
desperate. Do i need to post the Blix report, STUPID? Do you even know
anything about reality? No. Hell no.
> Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
> administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
> doing.
DARE you compare Bush with him. Your position as a middle of the roader is
NOT more important that the truth, you immoral fuckhead.
> Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
lying fucking nigger out to destroy the country and turn it into third world
status, stupid!!
> Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
> conquer the Marxist way.
out position as a middle of the roader is NOT more imprtant than the country
or the TRUTH!
And goddamn don't you EVER compare Bush and Obama again and put them in the
same league, you sick bastard.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 10:32:29 PM5/22/13
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alway will.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
May 22, 2013, 10:34:36 PM5/22/13
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"BIG BIRD" <Sno...@Teranews.com> wrote in message
you sick stupid immoral nigger motherfucker?
-Eddie Haskell
opel
May 22, 2013, 11:18:15 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 8:21 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Obama is Bush Lite. Same Cuba policy, same
> Iran policy, same Israel policy, same drug war
> policy, same Gitmo policy, same drone strike
> policy, same defense spending policy, same
> official secrecy policy, same immigration policy,
> same "war on terror" policy, same coxy relationship
> with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
> over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
> Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>
> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
> rightwingers have been predicting?
>
>
Did you miss his executive orders?
> Obama is Bush Lite. Same Cuba policy, same
> Iran policy, same Israel policy, same drug war
> policy, same Gitmo policy, same drone strike
> policy, same defense spending policy, same
> official secrecy policy, same immigration policy,
> same "war on terror" policy, same coxy relationship
> with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
> over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
> Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>
> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
> rightwingers have been predicting?
>
>
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/executive-action-obama-to-ban-importation-of-ammo-magazines-and-gun-accessories-without-congressional-approval_04232013
Over the course of the last month, while Americans were distracted with
the threat of nuclear war on the Korean peninsula and the devastation
wrought by the Boston bombings, President Obama was quietly working
behind the scenes to craft laws and regulations that will further erode
the Second Amendment.
Congress, and thus We the People, may have unequivocally rejected
federal legislation in March which aimed to outlaw most semi-automatic
rifles, restrict magazine capacity, and force national registration, but
that didn�t stop the President from ceding regulatory control over
firearms importation to the United Nations just two weeks later. What
the UN Arms Trade Treaty, passed without media fanfare by 154 counties,
would do is to restrict the global trade of, among other things, small
arms and light weapons. Opponents of the treaty argue that loopholes
within the new international framework for global gun control may make
it illegal for Americans to purchase and import firearms manufactured
outside of the United States.
To further his gun-grabbing agenda, however, President Obama and his
administration didn�t stop there.
Now they�re taking another significant step against Americans� right to
bear arms � and they�re doing it through Presidential Executive Action,
a strategy that, once again, bypasses Congressional oversight and the
legislative process.
�it appears that the BHO Administration is taking executive action on
firearms importation. Take a few minutes to read this: After Senate
setback, Obama quietly moving forward with gun regulation. Here is the
key portion of the article:
�The Importation of Defense Articles and Defense Services � U.S.
Munitions Import List references executive orders, amends ATF
regulations and clarifies Attorney General authority �to designate
defense articles and defense services as part of the statutory USML for
purposes of permanent import controls,� among other clauses specified in
heavy legalese requiring commensurate analysis to identify just what the
administration�s intentions are. Among the speculations of what this
could enable are concerns that importing and International Traffic in
Arms Regulations [ITAR] may go forward to reflect key elements within
the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.�[Emphasis added.]
Depending on how it is implemented, the implications of this change
could be huge. With the stroke a of a pen and without the consent of
Congress, ATF bureaucrats could make ANY gun part or accessory
(including magazines) or ammunition that were originally manufactured or
perhaps even those designed for military use no longer legal for
importation for civilian use. That might mean no more milsurp parts
sets. No more milsurp magazines. No more milsurp ammo. No more milsurp
optics. Perhaps not even spare firing pins. This could be ugly.
I strongly recommend that you stock up on magazines, ammunition and
spare parts for any of your imported military pattern guns, as soon as
possible! Once an import ban is implemented, prices will skyrocket.
Source: James Rawles� Survival Blog via The Prepper Website
Just five days ago the President vowed to push forward on gun control
without Congress and Nancy Pelosi argued that no matter what Congress
says, gun control is inevitable.
This latest round of Executive Actions is what they meant.
A direct on attack on the second amendment is difficult if not
impossible, so they are trying to slither their way in through the
backdoor by restricting international trade so we can�t import new
firearms, by restricting access to accessories and gun parts, by heavily
taxing ammunition and gun purchases, by mandating policies like forcing
gun owners to have liability insurance, and of course, by identifying
potentially dangerous gun owners and simply taking their firearms
because of public safety concerns.
The President recently suggested that the American people have spoken,
and that they want guns to be restricted, banned and heavily regulated.
If that�s so, then how is that a bipartisan Congress overwhelmingly
rejected the President�s bid to restrict and outlaw private ownership of
millions of weapons and gun accessories?
Going through the United Nations and now implementing Executive Actions
to bypass America�s Constitutionally mandated system of checks and
balances is an act of desperation.
Those who would take our rights have been left with no choice but to try
and force their agenda upon us through dictatorial means.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 3:09:20 AM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:21:26 -0500, Mitchell Holman
He's trying. All these scandals show that.
Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 7:18:49 AM5/23/13
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The true aim of gun control?
BIG BIRD
May 23, 2013, 8:30:10 AM5/23/13
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: On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:27:58 -0400, "BIG BIRD" <Sno...@Teranews.com>
: wrote:
: >:
of course,
what did your stupid ass think we wanted ??
guns aren't the problem, fat,stupid ass trailer trash hillbilly cocksuckers with
guns are
all we got to do is kill all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks and there will
be peace
in America
: On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:27:58 -0400, "BIG BIRD" <Sno...@Teranews.com>
: wrote:
: >:
: >: Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
: >: Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
: >: conquer the Marxist way.
: >:
: >:
: >that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
: >out we can kill them
: >
: The true aim of gun control?
:
: >: Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
: >: conquer the Marxist way.
: >:
: >:
: >that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
: >out we can kill them
: >
: The true aim of gun control?
of course,
what did your stupid ass think we wanted ??
guns aren't the problem, fat,stupid ass trailer trash hillbilly cocksuckers with
guns are
all we got to do is kill all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks and there will
be peace
in America
Mitchell Holman
May 23, 2013, 8:57:15 AM5/23/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
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>>with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
>>over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
>>Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>>
>> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
>>rightwingers have been predicting?
>>
>>
> He's trying. All these scandals show that.
>
> Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
Remember what we got the last time we gave
>>over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
>>Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>>
>> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
>>rightwingers have been predicting?
>>
>>
> He's trying. All these scandals show that.
>
> Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
the Senate to the GOP?
The Afghan war, the Iraq war, the Homeland
Security Dept, the TSA.
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opel
May 23, 2013, 11:56:59 AM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 6:57 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Remember what we got the last time we gave
> the Senate to the GOP?
Common sense and a safe nation.
> Remember what we got the last time we gave
> the Senate to the GOP?
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 2:57:09 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:32 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 04:18:49 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>: Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
>>>: Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
>>>: conquer the Marxist way.
>>>:
>>>:
>>>that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
>>>out we can kill them
>>>
>>The true aim of gun control?
>
>Just think what would have happened if "good germans" would have
>weeded out their conservatives, racists, bigots, and teawhackoff types
>that resemble ours before they got out of hand?
>
>I think the greatest poetic justice that could ever happen---is that
>the (about) 22% of all your racists, bigots, self-serving asshole
>teawhackoff conservative would be put on a self-sufficient Island
>somewhere and allowd to live like you claim you do
Who would pay the taxes or do the work?
You lazy types can only take. Then again how much debt can you have?
You do have to pay off credit some time.
Wall Street moves and takes all it's money burns what it can't take.
Liberal heaven until the credit runs out.
>
>We'd be rid of you and make this nation a better place, and we could
>rest assured you dumb assholes would finish what the law doesn't
>allow.
Feel free to try. Marxism doesn't work.
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 04:18:49 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>: Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
>>>: Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
>>>: conquer the Marxist way.
>>>:
>>>:
>>>that's right, and once we have all the hillbillies,crackers,and rednecks sorted
>>>out we can kill them
>>>
>>The true aim of gun control?
>
>weeded out their conservatives, racists, bigots, and teawhackoff types
>that resemble ours before they got out of hand?
>
>I think the greatest poetic justice that could ever happen---is that
>the (about) 22% of all your racists, bigots, self-serving asshole
>teawhackoff conservative would be put on a self-sufficient Island
>somewhere and allowd to live like you claim you do
Who would pay the taxes or do the work?
You lazy types can only take. Then again how much debt can you have?
You do have to pay off credit some time.
Wall Street moves and takes all it's money burns what it can't take.
Liberal heaven until the credit runs out.
>
>We'd be rid of you and make this nation a better place, and we could
>rest assured you dumb assholes would finish what the law doesn't
>allow.
Feel free to try. Marxism doesn't work.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 4:03:16 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:15 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
just claim to.
Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
just claim to.
Dänk 42Ø
May 23, 2013, 4:22:19 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:57:09 -0700, MattB . wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:32 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net quacked:
>>We'd be rid of you and make this nation a better place, and we could
>>rest assured you dumb assholes would finish what the law doesn't allow.
>
>
> Feel free to try. Marxism doesn't work.
Marxist communism never existed in practice. All "communist" revolutions
stall at the socialist stage, which Marx thought would be temporary and
would "wither away" once the classless communist society had been
achieved.
As Marx should have expected, socialist leaders never relinquish their
power to the masses, and the result is a feudal caste system with two
distinct and permanent classes, the ruling aristocracy or Party and the
powerless serfs or proles.
George Orwell may have been the first to notice the fascist tendencies of
so-called "communist" revolutionaries (the following passage is a bit
long, but is very relevant):
- - - - - -
"Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic
Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the
Middle, and the Low."
"For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or
later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in
themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are
then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by
pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As
soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back
into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High."
"[I]n each variant of Socialism that appeared from about 1900 onwards the
aim of establishing liberty and equality was more and more openly
abandoned. The new movements which appeared in the middle years of the
century, Ingsoc in Oceania, Neo-Bolshevism in Eurasia, Death-Worship, as
it is commonly called, in Eastasia, had the conscious aim of perpetuating
UNfreedom and INequality."
"These new movements, of course, grew out of the old ones and tended to
keep their names and pay lip-service to their ideology. But the purpose
of all of them was to arrest progress and freeze history at a chosen
moment. The familiar pendulum swing was to happen once more, and then
stop. As usual, the High were to be turned out by the Middle, who would
then become the High; but this time, by conscious strategy, the High
would be able to maintain their position permanently."
"The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism,
by Emmanuel Goldstein"
-- 1984
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:32 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net quacked:
>>We'd be rid of you and make this nation a better place, and we could
>>rest assured you dumb assholes would finish what the law doesn't allow.
>
>
> Feel free to try. Marxism doesn't work.
stall at the socialist stage, which Marx thought would be temporary and
would "wither away" once the classless communist society had been
achieved.
As Marx should have expected, socialist leaders never relinquish their
power to the masses, and the result is a feudal caste system with two
distinct and permanent classes, the ruling aristocracy or Party and the
powerless serfs or proles.
George Orwell may have been the first to notice the fascist tendencies of
so-called "communist" revolutionaries (the following passage is a bit
long, but is very relevant):
- - - - - -
"Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic
Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the
Middle, and the Low."
"For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or
later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in
themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are
then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by
pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As
soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back
into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High."
"[I]n each variant of Socialism that appeared from about 1900 onwards the
aim of establishing liberty and equality was more and more openly
abandoned. The new movements which appeared in the middle years of the
century, Ingsoc in Oceania, Neo-Bolshevism in Eurasia, Death-Worship, as
it is commonly called, in Eastasia, had the conscious aim of perpetuating
UNfreedom and INequality."
"These new movements, of course, grew out of the old ones and tended to
keep their names and pay lip-service to their ideology. But the purpose
of all of them was to arrest progress and freeze history at a chosen
moment. The familiar pendulum swing was to happen once more, and then
stop. As usual, the High were to be turned out by the Middle, who would
then become the High; but this time, by conscious strategy, the High
would be able to maintain their position permanently."
"The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism,
by Emmanuel Goldstein"
-- 1984
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 4:28:21 PM5/23/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:31:16 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
Yes I know like Obama everything is the other guys fault.
of upholding the principals of the extreme.
>
>> Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
>> administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
>> doing.
>
>He has control and his underlings are doing his bidding, stupid shit. How
>DARE you compare Bush with him. Your position as a middle of the roader is
>NOT more important that the truth, you immoral fuckhead.
Didn't you read the other half "wants us to believe all these scandals
are not his doing." plausible deniability OBOBO is a master.
for the oil and defense industry Obama for his Marxist agenda. Both
not good for long term America.
>
>-Eddie Haskell so much like Zepp.
>
>
>> You don't start 2 wars at one
>> time.
>
>You mean like Japan and Germany, shit head?
LOL No choice there.
>> You don't start 2 wars at one
>> time.
>
>You mean like Japan and Germany, shit head?
>
>> If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
>> maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
>
>That's the dumbest bit of DNC crap you've ever unloaded. You're fucked and
>desperate. Do i need to post the Blix report, STUPID? Do you even know
>anything about reality? No. Hell no.
OK Calm down. I name you Eddie Zepp Haskell for your honorable way
>> If he hadn't done so Iran wouldn't be such a problem now and
>> maybe Afghanistan would be over. Face it Bush had daddy issues.
>
>That's the dumbest bit of DNC crap you've ever unloaded. You're fucked and
>desperate. Do i need to post the Blix report, STUPID? Do you even know
>anything about reality? No. Hell no.
of upholding the principals of the extreme.
>
>> Obama just has issues. One he has no control of his own
>> administration or wants us to believe all these scandals are not his
>> doing.
>
>He has control and his underlings are doing his bidding, stupid shit. How
>DARE you compare Bush with him. Your position as a middle of the roader is
>NOT more important that the truth, you immoral fuckhead.
are not his doing." plausible deniability OBOBO is a master.
>
>> Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
>
>That's because YOU are the biggest idiot. Obama is not an idiot. He's a
>lying fucking nigger out to destroy the country and turn it into third world
>status, stupid!!
Sorry to tell you this America is at 3rd world status in many areas.
>> Personally I'd have a hard time deciding which is the biggest idiot.
>
>That's because YOU are the biggest idiot. Obama is not an idiot. He's a
>lying fucking nigger out to destroy the country and turn it into third world
>status, stupid!!
>
>> Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
>> conquer the Marxist way.
>
>And you are in on it like a fuckwit. Utterly fucking amazing. Your staked
>out position as a middle of the roader is NOT more imprtant than the country
>or the TRUTH!
No neither you or I matter much in the big picture.
>> Although have to admit OBOBO is the great dividers. Divide and
>> conquer the Marxist way.
>
>And you are in on it like a fuckwit. Utterly fucking amazing. Your staked
>out position as a middle of the roader is NOT more imprtant than the country
>or the TRUTH!
>
>And goddamn don't you EVER compare Bush and Obama again and put them in the
>same league, you sick bastard.
Obama and Bush are so much alike. Both idiots both with a agenda.Bush
>And goddamn don't you EVER compare Bush and Obama again and put them in the
>same league, you sick bastard.
for the oil and defense industry Obama for his Marxist agenda. Both
not good for long term America.
>
>-Eddie Haskell so much like Zepp.
>
Mitchell Holman
May 23, 2013, 4:48:26 PM5/23/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:3gtsp89ukpmv9d82j...@4ax.com:
But everytime they get power, government
grows by leaps and bounds.
Why is that, do you think?
Gronk
May 23, 2013, 6:13:52 PM5/23/13
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claim its only temporary.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 6:16:42 PM5/23/13
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think of.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 6:18:23 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:48:26 -0500, Mitchell Holman
The Democrats get into power and it grows more. Face it we need a
moderate party.
moderate party.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 6:19:46 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:13:52 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
wrote:
This war on terror is not temporary Obama has admitted that. All
right taken in its name are gone forever.
Both parties are at fault.
wrote:
right taken in its name are gone forever.
Both parties are at fault.
Gronk
May 23, 2013, 6:29:28 PM5/23/13
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MattB .
May 23, 2013, 6:32:22 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:29:28 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
It happens to be fact.
opel
May 23, 2013, 6:35:20 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 2:48 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>> >Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>> >just claim to.
>> >
>
> Republicans champion smaller government.
>
> But everytime they get power, government
> grows by leaps and bounds.
>
> Why is that, do you think?
>
911.
>> Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>> >Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>> >just claim to.
>> >
>
> Republicans champion smaller government.
>
> But everytime they get power, government
> grows by leaps and bounds.
>
> Why is that, do you think?
>
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MattB .
May 23, 2013, 6:55:01 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:49:36 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:16 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>>Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>>just claim to.
>
>But WE use it for a better good for ALL people---not for the top
>wealth class, you ignorant moron.
>
>
Do you now? Thought it was for more OBAMA phones.
Snipped distraction of the loser.
>On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:03:16 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>>Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>>just claim to.
>
>wealth class, you ignorant moron.
>
>
Do you now? Thought it was for more OBAMA phones.
Snipped distraction of the loser.
opel
May 23, 2013, 6:57:50 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 4:29 PM, Gronk wrote:
>> This war on terror is not temporary Obama has admitted that. All
>> right taken in its name are gone forever.
>>
>> Both parties are at fault.
>
> That seems to be your all purpose excuse.
Given we have a 2 party system it's factual too.
>> This war on terror is not temporary Obama has admitted that. All
>> right taken in its name are gone forever.
>>
>> Both parties are at fault.
>
> That seems to be your all purpose excuse.
Mitchell Holman
May 23, 2013, 7:59:53 PM5/23/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:hc5tp89dbcfhbg23n...@4ax.com:
Government shrank under Clinton.
Government grew under both Reagan
and Bush.
http://www.cato.org/blog/king-fiscal-squeeze-isbill-clinton
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 8:36:56 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:59:53 -0500, Mitchell Holman
I liked Clinton for the most part. Then there is a difference between
Democrats and liberals.
I wish Obama was more like Clinton and less like Lenin.
Democrats and liberals.
I wish Obama was more like Clinton and less like Lenin.
Zepp
May 23, 2013, 9:00:33 PM5/23/13
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It leaves you wondering if a) these clowns are serious in their endless
whines about the size of government and the deficit and b) if they ever
actually look to see what politicians are doing which jobs.
Mitchell Holman
May 23, 2013, 10:16:21 PM5/23/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:5edtp8h3m5pkjnpnm...@4ax.com:
by the same conservatives who reviled him while in
office.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-
decline-in-government-jobs/
opel
May 23, 2013, 10:27:16 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 5:59 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Government shrank under Clinton.
Not really.
http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutmyths.htm
Under Clinton revenue grew by 35%, but spending grew by 9%.
he economy grew modestly after Clinton raised taxes in 1993, but the
economy grew even more after Clinton signed the tax cuts that were
passed by the Republican-controlled Congress under Newt Gingrich’s
leadership in 1997.
Dr. J. D. Foster:
Following the [Clinton] tax hike, the economy performed reasonably well,
but not as well as one would expect given the conditions at the time.
The real economic boom came later in the decade, just when the economy
should have slowed as it made the transition from a period of recovery
to normal expansion. Further, this acceleration coincided to a
remarkable degree with the 1997 tax cut. . . .
In 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and
deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by
President Clinton. The 1997 bill:
* Lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent;
* Created a new $500 child tax credit;
* Established the new Hope and Lifetime Learning tax credits to reduce
the after-tax costs of higher education;
* Extended the air transportation excise taxes;
* Phased in an increase in the estate tax exemption from $600,000 to $1
million;
* Established Roth IRAs and increased the income limits for deductible IRAs;
* Established education IRAs;
* Conformed AMT depreciation lives to regular tax lives; and
* Phased in a 15 cent-per-pack increase in the cigarette tax. . . .
In 1995, the first year for which these data are available, just over $8
billion in venture capital was invested. Venture capital is especially
critical to a vibrant economy because high-risk/high-return investment
permits promising new businesses to blossom, rapidly spreading new
technologies and new ideas into the marketplace and across the economy.
Such investments, when successful, generate returns to investors that
are subject primarily to the tax on capital gains. By 1998, the first
full year in which the lower capital gains rates were in effect, venture
capital activity reached almost $28 billion, more than a three-fold
increase over 1995 levels, and by 1999, it had doubled yet again.
(http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm)
> Government shrank under Clinton.
Not really.
http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutmyths.htm
Under Clinton revenue grew by 35%, but spending grew by 9%.
he economy grew modestly after Clinton raised taxes in 1993, but the
economy grew even more after Clinton signed the tax cuts that were
passed by the Republican-controlled Congress under Newt Gingrich’s
leadership in 1997.
Dr. J. D. Foster:
Following the [Clinton] tax hike, the economy performed reasonably well,
but not as well as one would expect given the conditions at the time.
The real economic boom came later in the decade, just when the economy
should have slowed as it made the transition from a period of recovery
to normal expansion. Further, this acceleration coincided to a
remarkable degree with the 1997 tax cut. . . .
In 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and
deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by
President Clinton. The 1997 bill:
* Lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent;
* Created a new $500 child tax credit;
* Established the new Hope and Lifetime Learning tax credits to reduce
the after-tax costs of higher education;
* Extended the air transportation excise taxes;
* Phased in an increase in the estate tax exemption from $600,000 to $1
million;
* Established Roth IRAs and increased the income limits for deductible IRAs;
* Established education IRAs;
* Conformed AMT depreciation lives to regular tax lives; and
* Phased in a 15 cent-per-pack increase in the cigarette tax. . . .
In 1995, the first year for which these data are available, just over $8
billion in venture capital was invested. Venture capital is especially
critical to a vibrant economy because high-risk/high-return investment
permits promising new businesses to blossom, rapidly spreading new
technologies and new ideas into the marketplace and across the economy.
Such investments, when successful, generate returns to investors that
are subject primarily to the tax on capital gains. By 1998, the first
full year in which the lower capital gains rates were in effect, venture
capital activity reached almost $28 billion, more than a three-fold
increase over 1995 levels, and by 1999, it had doubled yet again.
(http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm)
opel
May 23, 2013, 10:48:15 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/2013 8:16 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Obama, like Clinton, will be fondly remembered
> by the same conservatives who reviled him while in
> office.
Uh, no.
> Obama, like Clinton, will be fondly remembered
> by the same conservatives who reviled him while in
> office.
MattB .
May 23, 2013, 11:13:26 PM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:16:21 -0500, Mitchell Holman
No Clinton was able to work with conservatives. Obama is not.
I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would consider
voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left. Like the liberal
poster boys on here Zepp and Yoorghis.
>
>
>http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-
>decline-in-government-jobs/
>
I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would consider
voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left. Like the liberal
poster boys on here Zepp and Yoorghis.
>
>
>http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/under-obama-a-record-
>decline-in-government-jobs/
>
Dänk 42Ø
May 24, 2013, 2:13:21 AM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 01:00:33 +0000, quack:
No, it hasn't. If government shrank under Chairman Obama you would be
calling him a traitor, Nazi, and Republican. But please do provide an
example of how government has shrunk under Obama. A real example, not
just an opinion that Paul Krugman or Rachel Bladdow farted.
"Mitchell Holman" makes a valid point, correctly observing that the size
and power of government has always expanded when Republicans held power.
This is why I oppose Republicans, because I recognize them for the pseudo-
libertarian theofascists they really are. I even abandoned my lifetime
support for the Libertarian Party after it was overrun by "former"
Republicans fleeing their Party like rats on a sinking ship.
This has not stopped leftards like quack from accusing me of being a
Republican sympathizer, their crack-addled brains unable to distinguish
between libertarianism and theofascism. In fact, I am so far left that I
have gone around full-circle and only appear to be to the right of
bleating quacktards who believe politics is flat.
calling him a traitor, Nazi, and Republican. But please do provide an
example of how government has shrunk under Obama. A real example, not
just an opinion that Paul Krugman or Rachel Bladdow farted.
"Mitchell Holman" makes a valid point, correctly observing that the size
and power of government has always expanded when Republicans held power.
This is why I oppose Republicans, because I recognize them for the pseudo-
libertarian theofascists they really are. I even abandoned my lifetime
support for the Libertarian Party after it was overrun by "former"
Republicans fleeing their Party like rats on a sinking ship.
This has not stopped leftards like quack from accusing me of being a
Republican sympathizer, their crack-addled brains unable to distinguish
between libertarianism and theofascism. In fact, I am so far left that I
have gone around full-circle and only appear to be to the right of
bleating quacktards who believe politics is flat.
Mitchell Holman
May 24, 2013, 8:27:24 AM5/24/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:cfmtp8d84n1co66al...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:16:21 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
>>news:5edtp8h3m5pkjnpnm...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
they IMPEACHED him, remember?
>
> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would consider
> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
>
> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
Zepp
May 24, 2013, 11:09:00 AM5/24/13
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http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/
federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-
since-1962/
MattB .
May 24, 2013, 2:18:52 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:27:24 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Well he was guilty of perjury and should have just told the truth.
His sex life mattered little to me as I'd rather have a half decent
President at doing his job than one that looks honest but smells of
being s snake oil salesmen like Obama and Bush.
Then again I'm center right in my politics.
He wasn't actually impeached by the Senate. Those calling for Obama's
impeachment are idiots.
>
>>
>> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would consider
>> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
>>
>> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
>> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
>
>
> What is so "way left" about Obama?
everything. Well more socialist in nature maybe. We need a good work
ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
Many of the EU countries show the danger in that. France tried
raising the tax rate to 75% people just moved out.
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His sex life mattered little to me as I'd rather have a half decent
President at doing his job than one that looks honest but smells of
being s snake oil salesmen like Obama and Bush.
Then again I'm center right in my politics.
He wasn't actually impeached by the Senate. Those calling for Obama's
impeachment are idiots.
>
>>
>> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would consider
>> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
>>
>> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
>> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
>
>
> What is so "way left" about Obama?
ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
Many of the EU countries show the danger in that. France tried
raising the tax rate to 75% people just moved out.
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Gronk
May 24, 2013, 4:15:04 PM5/24/13
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Mitchell Holman
May 24, 2013, 5:49:48 PM5/24/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:seavp8hs29q4nb2qb...@4ax.com:
> Then again I'm center right in my politics.
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> He wasn't actually impeached by the Senate. Those calling for Obama's
> impeachment are idiots.
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>>> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would
consider
>>> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
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>>> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
>>> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
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>> What is so "way left" about Obama?
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> everything.
We need a good work
> ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
bankers who screwed the whole country and got
huge bonuses from the Bush administration for
doing it?
You mean "freeloaders" like Ann Romney who
never worked a day in her whole spoiled life?
MattB .
May 24, 2013, 6:18:34 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:47:56 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:18:52 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> No Clinton was able to work with conservatives.
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>>> Huh? Conservatives hated him so much
>>>they IMPEACHED him, remember?
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>>Well he was guilty of perjury and should have just told the truth.
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>NO---he was not. Only a fucking ignorant, uneducated, ill-read and
>stupid bastard would claim that.
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>Clinton has NEVER been accused of, or convicted or, or impeached for
>"lying"---much less perjury. Perjury was NEVER at issue (although
>they tried)
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>Clinton's Denial of having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky in that
>Jan 20th deposition was a LEGAL DENIAL. There was no such legal
>foundation to the Jones Legal team to use THEIR "made up" definition.
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>When Clinton denied THEIR (made-up) definition, he had a legal right
>to do so. The reason why Clinton WON the Jones Civil action----JONES
>HAD NO CASE.
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>Clinton did not lie.
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Well to you a Democrat never lies. Me he should have said yes I had
sex and moved on. I really could have cared less.
No matter what you say he was MUCH better than Obama even on his worse
day.
Impeachment was just stupid. Never going to happen. then or now.
Then again we have learned Obama is as honest as a snake oil salesmen.
Obama is as honest as you are Gary.
>On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:18:52 -0700, MattB .
><trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> No Clinton was able to work with conservatives.
>>>
>>>
>>> Huh? Conservatives hated him so much
>>>they IMPEACHED him, remember?
>>>
>>Well he was guilty of perjury and should have just told the truth.
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>stupid bastard would claim that.
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>Clinton has NEVER been accused of, or convicted or, or impeached for
>"lying"---much less perjury. Perjury was NEVER at issue (although
>they tried)
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>Clinton's Denial of having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky in that
>Jan 20th deposition was a LEGAL DENIAL. There was no such legal
>foundation to the Jones Legal team to use THEIR "made up" definition.
>
>When Clinton denied THEIR (made-up) definition, he had a legal right
>to do so. The reason why Clinton WON the Jones Civil action----JONES
>HAD NO CASE.
>
>Clinton did not lie.
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Well to you a Democrat never lies. Me he should have said yes I had
sex and moved on. I really could have cared less.
No matter what you say he was MUCH better than Obama even on his worse
day.
Impeachment was just stupid. Never going to happen. then or now.
Then again we have learned Obama is as honest as a snake oil salesmen.
Obama is as honest as you are Gary.
MattB .
May 24, 2013, 6:20:00 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:15:04 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
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No that needs to stop also. Especially these failure green companies.
That and oil.
wrote:
That and oil.
MattB .
May 24, 2013, 6:23:27 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 16:49:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman
That's right it wasn't sex or something like that.
Me I'd tell people it was none of their business as long as he did a
fair to good job. Compared to Bush and Obama he did a great job.
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fair to good job. Compared to Bush and Obama he did a great job.
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>> Then again I'm center right in my politics.
>>
>> He wasn't actually impeached by the Senate. Those calling for Obama's
>> impeachment are idiots.
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>>>> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would
>consider
>>>> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
>>>>
>>>> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
>>>> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
>>>
>>>
>>> What is so "way left" about Obama?
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>> everything.
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> Like what?
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> We need a good work
>> ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
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>
> You mean "work ethic" like the millionaire
>bankers who screwed the whole country and got
>huge bonuses from the Bush administration for
>doing it?
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> You mean "freeloaders" like Ann Romney who
>never worked a day in her whole spoiled life?
So you going to nationalize their companies?
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>> Then again I'm center right in my politics.
>>
>> He wasn't actually impeached by the Senate. Those calling for Obama's
>> impeachment are idiots.
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>>>>
>>>> I liked Clinton while in office. If he could run again would
>consider
>>>> voting for him. He is better than Palin or Perry.
>>>>
>>>> I for one be more likely to vote for a center right or Center left
>>>> candidate. Obama doesn't fit that. He is way left.
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>>>
>>> What is so "way left" about Obama?
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>> everything.
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> We need a good work
>> ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
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> You mean "work ethic" like the millionaire
>bankers who screwed the whole country and got
>huge bonuses from the Bush administration for
>doing it?
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> You mean "freeloaders" like Ann Romney who
>never worked a day in her whole spoiled life?
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Gronk
May 24, 2013, 7:02:07 PM5/24/13
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MattB .
May 24, 2013, 7:06:53 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 17:02:07 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
taxes, spending, entitlements
Mitchell Holman
May 24, 2013, 7:15:05 PM5/24/13
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MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
news:fupvp8tmghqgdbpe9...@4ax.com:
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>> We need a good work
>>> ethic in this country nor more freeloaders.
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>> You mean "work ethic" like the millionaire
>>bankers who screwed the whole country and got
>>huge bonuses from the Bush administration for
>>doing it?
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>> You mean "freeloaders" like Ann Romney who
>>never worked a day in her whole spoiled life?
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> So you going to nationalize their companies?
Just break them up.
No company should ever be
"too big to fail", no?
MattB .
May 24, 2013, 7:26:07 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:15:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Well in part I agree. My wife never worked a day for pay here whole
life her job was the kids only.
Freeloaders that live off the government and taxes I pay. Not talking
about the elderly of disabled.
Tell me if you get a free place to live why you can't keep it clean.
Then again if I decide to give my kids all I have who are you to say
not?
life her job was the kids only.
Freeloaders that live off the government and taxes I pay. Not talking
about the elderly of disabled.
Tell me if you get a free place to live why you can't keep it clean.
Then again if I decide to give my kids all I have who are you to say
not?
RichTravsky
May 25, 2013, 12:35:33 AM5/25/13
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the republicon convention...
Gronk
May 28, 2013, 5:09:16 PM5/28/13
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MattB . wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:29:28 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
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>> MattB . wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:13:52 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> MattB . wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:15 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> news:l2grp81gj9kuco62m...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:21:26 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>> claim its only temporary.
It is indeed a fact it's your all purpose excuse.
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:29:28 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
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>> MattB . wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:13:52 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> MattB . wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:57:15 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> news:l2grp81gj9kuco62m...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:21:26 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> news:7tpqp8hl12tr06uu4...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:35 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>>>>>>> <gdg...@apapap.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:d9oqp8lcc01e196as...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:46:50 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>>>>>>>>> <gdg...@apapap.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bjeqp8lae6134if8i...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:32:24 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:35 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>>>>>>> <gdg...@apapap.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:d9oqp8lcc01e196as...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:46:50 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
>>>>>>>>>>> <gdg...@apapap.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "MattB ." <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bjeqp8lae6134if8i...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MattB . <trdel...@spamnogmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> Obama is Bush Lite. Same Cuba policy, same
>>>>>>>> Iran policy, same Israel policy, same drug war
>>>>>>>> policy, same Gitmo policy, same drone strike
>>>>>>>> policy, same defense spending policy, same
>>>>>>>> official secrecy policy, same immigration policy,
>>>>>>>> same "war on terror" policy, same cozy relationship
>>>>>>>> with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
>>>>>>>> over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
>>>>>>>> Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
>>>>>>>> rightwingers have been predicting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's trying. All these scandals show that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember what we got the last time we gave
>>>>>> the Senate to the GOP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Afghan war, the Iraq war, the Homeland
>>>>>> Security Dept, the TSA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>>>>> Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>>>>> just claim to.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, GOPers claim they aren't doing it, then do it anyway, and then
>>>>>>>> Iran policy, same Israel policy, same drug war
>>>>>>>> policy, same Gitmo policy, same drone strike
>>>>>>>> policy, same defense spending policy, same
>>>>>>>> official secrecy policy, same immigration policy,
>>>>>>>> same "war on terror" policy, same cozy relationship
>>>>>>>> with Big Banking and Big Insurance. He even bends
>>>>>>>> over backwards to appoint Republicans (Lahood,
>>>>>>>> Gates, Huntsman, Hagel) to his administration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is the "radical socialist agenda" that
>>>>>>>> rightwingers have been predicting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's trying. All these scandals show that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the Dems will lose the Senate. That might help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember what we got the last time we gave
>>>>>> the Senate to the GOP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Afghan war, the Iraq war, the Homeland
>>>>>> Security Dept, the TSA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet under Obama you not only still have them they have more power.
>>>>> Face it Politicians don't ever give up power ounce given. Liberals
>>>>> just claim to.
>>>>
>>>> claim its only temporary.
>>>
>>> This war on terror is not temporary Obama has admitted that. All
>>> right taken in its name are gone forever.
>>>
>>> Both parties are at fault.
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>> That seems to be your all purpose excuse.
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> It happens to be fact.
>>> This war on terror is not temporary Obama has admitted that. All
>>> right taken in its name are gone forever.
>>>
>>> Both parties are at fault.
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>> That seems to be your all purpose excuse.
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It is indeed a fact it's your all purpose excuse.
MattB .
May 28, 2013, 5:30:29 PM5/28/13
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 15:09:16 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
Notice those that are total failure themselves like to blame others
for their mistakes. Personally neither party is 100% correct.
liberals least of all.
for their mistakes. Personally neither party is 100% correct.
liberals least of all.
Gronk
May 29, 2013, 1:05:40 PM5/29/13
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Gronk
Jun 3, 2013, 12:19:28 PM6/3/13
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MattB .
Jun 3, 2013, 2:00:04 PM6/3/13
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On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:19:28 -0600, Gronk <inv...@usenetlove.invalid>
The only difference is that I admit BOTH parties have made mistakes
and you claim the liberals are perfect throughout time.
Talk about excuses. Liberalism the party for the incompetent.
Glad not all Democrats are liberals.
and you claim the liberals are perfect throughout time.
Talk about excuses. Liberalism the party for the incompetent.
Glad not all Democrats are liberals.
Gronk
Jun 7, 2013, 4:42:37 PM6/7/13
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> and you claim the liberals are perfect throughout time.
> Talk about excuses. Liberalism the party for the incompetent.
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> Glad not all Democrats are liberals.
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