Chavez Calls On Obama To Follow Path Of Socialism
Clay
Drudge Report
Fri Mar 06 2009 17:13:48 ET
Caracas - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday called upon US
President Barack Obama to follow the path to socialism, which he
termed as the "only" way out of the global recession. "Come with us,
align yourself, come with us on the road to socialism. This is the
only path. Imagine a socialist revolution in the United States,"
Chavez told a group of workers in the southern Venezuelan state of
Bolivar.
The controversial Venezuelan leader, who taunted the United States as
a source of capitalistic evil under former president George W Bush,
added that the United States needs a leader who can take it to a
"higher" destiny and bring it out of "the sad role that it has been
given, as a murderous, attacking power that is hated all around the
world."
Chavez said that people are calling Obama a "socialist" for the
measures of state intervention he is taking to counter the crisis, so
it would not be too far-fetched to suggest that he might join the
project of "21st century socialism" that the Venezuelan leader is
heading.
"Nothing is impossible. Who would have thought in the 1980s that the
Soviet Union would disappear? No one," he said.
"That murderous, genocidal empire has to end, and some day there has
to come a leader ... who interprets the best of a people who also
include human beings who suffer, endure, weep and laugh," the
outspoken Chavez said.
Developing...
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-C-
Tom
So what?
I call on you to wear clean underwear. That doesn't mean it's gonna
happen.
Developing, my ass. The only thing developing here is another turd in
your diaper.
Matt Drudge has about as much credibility with the American thinking
public as, say, Hugo Chavez.
Tom
RDR
> n Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:33:40 -0500, Clay> BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> NOBODY takes that moron seriously
>
> Oh, Sorry ClayLoon
>
> Forgot about you.
>
> SNICKER
>
>
In other news, much to the chagrin of right wing American race fans who
used to like the Indy 500. Newman Hass racing recently signed Milka
Duno as their driver. Why? You ask?
Well, times are tough for racing these days, even NASCAR is having
issues with sponsorship.
Milka Duno is a rather shitty race car driver, but she holds 3 Masters
degrees in Engineering and is a "hot" looking babe from Venezuela.
Her (and Newman Hass) sponsors? Citgo Petroleum. Owned by the
government of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez.
She's Venezuela's answer to Danica Patrick.
Syvyn11
"Clay" <cl...@outlookmail.com> wrote in message
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For Chavez calling anyone 'murderous' or ' genocidal' is a joke.
>
dan...@rocketmail.com
> Matt Drudge
> Drudge Report
> Fri Mar 06 2009 17:13:48 ET
>
> Caracas - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday called upon US
> President Barack Obama to follow the path to socialism, which he
> termed as the "only" way out of the global recession. "Come with us,
> align yourself, come with us on the road to socialism. This is the
> only path. Imagine a socialist revolution in the United States,"
> Chavez told a group of workers in the southern Venezuelan state of
> Bolivar.
> "That murderous, genocidal empire has to end, and some day there has
> to come a leader ... who interprets the best of a people who also
> include human beings who suffer, endure, weep and laugh," the
> outspoken Chavez said.
I would pick up socialist newspapers at political rallies in San
Francisco and they all endorsed Obama. In fact, the closest thing to
criticism was speculation on whether Obama would be able to achieve
all the goals of the socialist-communist movement, or whether he would
be prevented from doing so by the reactionary right.
In other threads I argue with leftwads who are not ashamed of the
socialist label, and they all seem to like Hugo Chavez and his
attempts to declare himself president-for-life.
Syvyn11
"Tom" <drs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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So what?
Tom
_______________________________
in other words, libs keep having their heads in the sand.
4916 Dead, 49 since 1/20/09
> On Mar 6, 6:33 pm, Clay <c...@outlookmail.com> wrote...
>> Matt Drudge
>> Drudge Report
>> Fri Mar 06 2009 17:13:48 ET
>>
>> Caracas - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday called upon US
>> President Barack Obama to follow the path to socialism, which he termed
>> as the "only" way out of the global recession. "Come with us, align
>> yourself, come with us on the road to socialism. This is the only path.
>> Imagine a socialist revolution in the United States," Chavez told a
>> group of workers in the southern Venezuelan state of Bolivar.
>> ...
>> "That murderous, genocidal empire has to end, and some day there has to
>> come a leader ... who interprets the best of a people who also include
>> human beings who suffer, endure, weep and laugh," the outspoken Chavez
>> said.
>
> I would pick up socialist newspapers at political rallies in San
> Francisco and they all endorsed Obama. In fact, the closest thing to
> criticism was speculation on whether Obama would be able to achieve all
> the goals of the socialist-communist movement, or whether he would be
> prevented from doing so by the reactionary right.
I wonder if this right-wing buffoon can NAME any of those "socialist
newspapers". If he says the Kronk, I'm gonna die laughing.
>
> In other threads I argue with leftwads who are not ashamed of the
> socialist label, and they all seem to like Hugo Chavez and his attempts
> to declare himself president-for-life.
I'm sure you do, bubbles.
--
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entrails of the last priest.” -Dennis Diderot Pay your taxes so the
rich don't have to. Atheist #2211
Tom
> "Tom" <drso...@aol.com> wrote in message
Once again, you're woefully mistaken.
No one, liberal, conservative, Democrat or Republican takes Chavez
seriously.
He's nuts and the world knows it.
The truly sad thing is for a hack like Drudge to pay Chavez any
attention at all. One would be naive to think Drudge's motivation is
as pure and simple as the truth. He saw an opportunity to link,
however weakly, Chavez to our President and he took it. The result
being to give Chavez the attention he craves, not weaken our President
and by extension, our country.
Any thinking person can see right through Drudge.
Tom
Syvyn11
Tom
___________________________________________
The fact that he controls Citgo, means we better take him seriously.
RDR
> For Chavez calling anyone 'murderous' or ' genocidal' is a joke.
>
I was always a fan of Pinochet, and how he was supported by the
Republicans. You guys sure know how to call a pot, being a black
kettle.
Sunny Malone
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Mar 6, 8:41 pm, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Clay" <c...@outlookmail.com> wrote in message
> murderous nor genocidal.
You beat me to it. Exactly who has he "murdered" or committed
"genocide" against.
4916 Dead, 49 since 1/20/09
> On Mar 6, 8:42 pm, "Syvyn11" <robhorine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Tom" <drso...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1d6f3493-265c-4d7e-
a532-785...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
The day after Obama gave the SOTU, the markets opened down by a goodly
chunk, 200 or so. Drudge headlined this with the lede, "Was it something
he said?" But as the day wore on, the markets came back, and the Dow was
up 50 or so. Curious, I went to see what Drudge had to say, and the new
lede was, "Markets come roaring back". Then the rally fizzled, and the
Dow finished down about 125. I went and looked, and sure enough, the
"Was it something he said" was back.
What a two-bit whore Drudge is.
penny
You both beat me to it!
Chavez is a pussy-cat! Who but a pussy-cat would offer great dollops
of oil to places in the US that were suffering shortages when Bush was
constantly trying to depose him.
If you don't believe me then read his interview with Amy Goodman for
starters:
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/9/20/venezuelas_president_chavez_offers_cheap_oil
Penny
John Gilmer
"RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hey, Pinochet left Chile in pretty good shape. Yet Chile is a nation of,
at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet didn't
serve as "President for Life."
Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
"President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
RDR
> Hey, Pinochet left Chile in pretty good shape. Yet Chile is a nation of,
> at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet didn't
> serve as "President for Life."
>
> Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
> But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
> "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
>
Pinochet was a brutal dictator.
And who said that Chavez declared himself "Dictator for life"?
What are you saying?
I don't defend Chavez, no more than I defend Pinochet.
However, you seem to have ideas about Augusto. Did you like him?
Alric Knebel
The funny part about it is, we're the last one to catch on to the truth
of what Chavez is saying. Sad, really.
I think we should do what Chavez did, nationalize our oil fields. It'll
put people back to work as civil servants, with good wages and benefits,
while increasing oil supplies, and the enterprise would pay for itself.
Like the Post Office.
--
____________________________________________________
Alric Knebel
Alric Knebel
> "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.241bb282a...@News.Individual.NET...
>> Syvyn11 wrote
>>> For Chavez calling anyone 'murderous' or ' genocidal' is a joke.
>>>
>> I was always a fan of Pinochet, and how he was supported by the
>> Republicans. You guys sure know how to call a pot, being a black
>> kettle.
>
> Hey, Pinochet left Chile in pretty good shape. Yet Chile is a nation of,
> at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet didn't
> serve as "President for Life."
He was a fucking mass murderer, you moron. What he did wasn't that
important for the country. He came to power by overturning an
democratically elected president, with help from the US.
> Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
> But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
> "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
Is he? By whose measure? The wealthy people he prevented from treating
the whole country like it was their private buffet? Myself, if we have
fewer wealthy people while everyone else has stability, I don't care
about the "economy." We judge the economy here according to things like
stock numbers, while some people are living in grinding poverty. Which
one is the right system?
The one that doesn't permit grinding poverty.
--
____________________________________________________
Alric Knebel
RDR
>
> The funny part about it is, we're the last one to catch on to the truth
> of what Chavez is saying. Sad, really.
>
> I think we should do what Chavez did, nationalize our oil fields. It'll
> put people back to work as civil servants, with good wages and benefits,
> while increasing oil supplies, and the enterprise would pay for itself.
> Like the Post Office.
>
Canada in the Trudeau days enacted the National Energy Policy, and was
blamed for it in Alberta, home of the oil. It was essentially
government control over the price of oil, while OPEC was holding the
world hostage.
The price of oil on the international market sunk, The NEP was in place,
Alberta bottomed out (their an up and down province) and it was blamed
on Trudeau. Not the fact that the 1981 recession was about federal
banks in Canada, the UK and the USA forcing up interest rates to battle
inflation.
Like, as if Trudeau had anything to do with it! I was a coincidence.
But, in 1981, every red blooded Albertan blamed Trudeau for it.
I blame the tooth fairy.
RDR
> > Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
> > But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
> > "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
>
> Is he? By whose measure?
>
That's easy! By those who say that Pinochet was a great man!
dan...@rocketmail.com
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote...
> I wonder if this right-wing buffoon can NAME any of those "socialist
> newspapers". If he says the Kronk, I'm gonna die laughing.
'Socialist Worker,', 'Socialist Vanguard,' and 'Revolution' from the
Revolutionary Communist Party. Oddly enough, they charge a dollar for
propaganda that should be free, and they don't accept Venezuelan pesos
as payment.
= = = = = = = = = = = =
"Si no hay mota para todos, no habrá para nadie!"
-- Che Guevara
Syvyn11
> John Gilmer wrote
>> Hey, Pinochet left Chile in pretty good shape. Yet Chile is a nation
>> of,
>> at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet
>> didn't
>> serve as "President for Life."
>>
>> Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral
>> weath.
>> But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of
>> being
>> "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana
>> Republic."
>>
>
> Pinochet was a brutal dictator.
>
> And who said that Chavez declared himself "Dictator for life"?
>
> What are you saying?
funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked voters
to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president for
life.
>
> I don't defend Chavez, no more than I defend Pinochet.
Bullshit!
RDR
> funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked voters
> to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president for
> life.
>
>
Ok,
How does the stupid rightist understand English?
He was democratically elected. He asked voters in a plebicite to
remove term limits.
Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
electorate?
What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
idea what it is.
RDR
What you are trying to say is that every President of the USA up until
the end of the FDR administration was a dictator because there were no
term limits.
Are you retarded, uneducated, blindly partisan or just a fool who posts
in political newsgroups and has no notion of politics at all?
"@whatistheworldcoming.to >
The Post Office??? They are laying people off, and cutting expenses
too. Much, if not all of the Post Office delivery system is run by
contract is what my local postman said. They cut the pick up of
outgoing delivery at local post office and outside post office boxes,
down to two times a day, and no pickup after 5pm. In other words,
service has gone down hill to approximate the rest of the country's move
to a third world performance and work ethic.
There are pros and cons of strictly government operated services, some
of them that require information and trying to get people on the phone
are the worst. Medicare runs fairly well, but you cannot get anyone to
speak to at the organization that directly pays your costs, - another
contract operation.
The AMTRAK runs itself well, but is not very well funded by the
government. Stimulus funds, if available for that could really help,
and help rail travel thru local inter and intra urban systems.
Would you go to a third world country for your health care:
Once the best and leading health care system in the world, the US
quality and first rate health care by nursing staffs in hospitals and
nursing homes is no more. It is terribly bad. They do not answer the
call bells, which might not even be working, and if they do, they do not
speak english well and cannot understand you and you cannot understand
their accents. Hospitals imported or hired natives of other countries
where you would not go for your medical care, but they are in our local
hospital and nursing home, doing their worst. Universal health care
would not help here, it might make it significantly worse than it
already is.
Many states went wrong when they stopped funding local hospital nursing
schools where the bulk of america's best nurses used to come from. Now,
there is no replacement for them after they retired or left the
profession, and have been replaced by third worlders, not asians, not
hispanics, not Europeans who are excellent health care providers, but
others who are not.
Local services, such as fast foods, are staffed by rude, arrogant people
of other countries who have a different attitude toward the customer -
if you have any complaints or request, they suddenly cannot speak
english and look at you as if you have two heads.
Road crews are also from other countries - leave nails, boards, food
stuff on your streets and neighborhoods for your car to run over and
get flats, and rodents to come around. Try to talk to them to tell them
not to do that, and you get a blank stare, and, instead, they leave more
nail boards in the gutter where you park your car at the curb. I found
one directly under my front tire, if i had move the car forward an inch,
instead of checking, my tire would be flat. You have to live like that
today, always on the alert, always checking this and that, being
prepared for anything, anywhere, anytime. Nationalizing does not fix
that sort of thing and probably would make it worse.
Take a subway train and your engineer can barely get out the words,
sounds like he or she has been out drinking or coking all night.
Go to the pharmacy for your life saving meds, and get another out of the
country person who cannot find your medicine even though your name is
staring them in the face, also rude, arrogant - but with a smile.
Go anywhere, unless you live in an all white world, very few, if any of
those places left, and you find, with exceptions of course, third world
quality service, and that includes other races who are from this
country, but have a lousy work ethic.
Socialism to me only means more arrogant indifferent service to the
people, where graft and corruption, favoritism can creep in, just as
much ss it does with our own government, but at least we have the vote
and we are to most degrees free. Socialism confines and takes away
freedoms.
Syvyn11
> RDR wrote
>>
>> Syvyn11 wrote
>> > funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked
>> > voters
>> > to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president for
>> > life.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> How does the stupid rightist understand English?
>>
>> He was democratically elected. He asked voters in a plebicite to
>> remove term limits.
>>
>> Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
>> electorate?
>>
>> What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
>> repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
>> idea what it is.
>
> What you are trying to say is that every President of the USA up until
> the end of the FDR administration was a dictator because there were no
> term limits.
I dunno? Did FDR suspend Habius Corpus? Did he carpet bomb a country
that didn't declare war on the USA? Did he not try to stack the Supreme
Court to get his way passed easier?
So you tell me, was FDR a dictator?
Sounds like he was a WAR CRIMINAL to me.
RDR
>
> I dunno? Did FDR suspend Habius Corpus? Did he carpet bomb a country
> that didn't declare war on the USA? Did he not try to stack the Supreme
> Court to get his way passed easier?
>
> So you tell me, was FDR a dictator?
>
> Sounds like he was a WAR CRIMINAL to me.
>
Well, Hitler did declare war on the USA, and of course Japan did so by
their attack on Pearl. So why did you beging your rant with a lie?
Syvyn11
> Syvyn11 wrote
>> funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked
>> voters
>> to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president for
>> life.
>>
>>
>
> Ok,
>
> How does the stupid rightist understand English?
>
> He was democratically elected. He asked voters in a plebicite to
> remove term limits.
"democratically elected?" Monitors said that his elections are fixed.
Al Franken learned how to run a election from Chavez.
>
> Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
> electorate?
He controls the military, the police, south america's largest oil reserves,
the media, anyone who opposes him either gets arrested or killed. Sounds
like a dictator to me.
>
> What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
> repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
> idea what it is.
Fuck you up your gay little ass you faggot liberal fuck!
>
>
RDR
> "democratically elected?" Monitors said that his elections are fixed.
> Al Franken learned how to run a election from Chavez.
> >
> > Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
> > electorate?
>
> He controls the military, the police, south america's largest oil reserves,
> the media, anyone who opposes him either gets arrested or killed. Sounds
> like a dictator to me.
Yet many of you suppored Pinochet.
>
> >
> > What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
> > repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
> > idea what it is.
>
> Fuck you up your gay little ass you faggot liberal fuck!
>
I must have won this discussion. You have lost your temper.
SaPeIsMa
"Syvyn11" <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.241c37bf8...@News.Individual.NET...
>> RDR wrote
>>>
>>> Syvyn11 wrote
>>> > funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked
>>> > voters
>>> > to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president
>>> > for
>>> > life.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Ok,
>>>
>>> How does the stupid rightist understand English?
>>>
>>> He was democratically elected. He asked voters in a plebicite to
>>> remove term limits.
>>>
>>> Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
>>> electorate?
>>>
>>> What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
>>> repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
>>> idea what it is.
>>
>> What you are trying to say is that every President of the USA up until
>> the end of the FDR administration was a dictator because there were no
>> term limits.
>
> I dunno?
Yes, we're already aware of your ignorance
(Proof to follow)
> Did FDR suspend Habius(sic) Corpus?
Yes he did.
In particular for Americans of Japanese, German and Italian heritage
. He even stole their property.
> Did he carpet bomb a country that didn't declare war on the USA?
YES, he did
In actual fact, a few of countries
Germany and Japan amongst them.
> Did he not try to stack the Supreme Court to get his way passed easier?
>
Yup, he did
He even was trying to pass a law, the limit the authority of the Supreme
Court as well
> So you tell me, was FDR a dictator?
>
That he didn't succeed, changes nothing to all the things he did
> Sounds like he was a WAR CRIMINAL to me.
>
Well\, people play fast and loose with the definition of "war criminal"
By that standard just about anyone can qualify
Tom
ZING!!!!!!!!! You showed him!
LOL!
Tom
Tom
That's what Sy does... he paints himself into a logic-free corner and
then blames everyone else rather than take personal responsibility for
his faux pas.
Logic, facts and information seem to escape him.
He's called me a liar so many times, I've lost count.
Tom
Syvyn11
> Syvyn11 wrote
>> "democratically elected?" Monitors said that his elections are fixed.
>> Al Franken learned how to run a election from Chavez.
>> >
>> > Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
>> > electorate?
>>
>> He controls the military, the police, south america's largest oil
>> reserves,
>> the media, anyone who opposes him either gets arrested or killed.
>> Sounds
>> like a dictator to me.
>
>
> Yet many of you suppored Pinochet.
Nobody I know, fruitloop.
>>
>> >
>> > What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
>> > repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
>> > idea what it is.
>>
>> Fuck you up your gay little ass you faggot liberal fuck!
>>
>
> I must have won this discussion. You have lost your temper.
Go to hell!
RDR
> "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.241c5ab3c...@News.Individual.NET...
> > Syvyn11 wrote
> >> "democratically elected?" Monitors said that his elections are fixed.
> >> Al Franken learned how to run a election from Chavez.
> >> >
> >> > Where did he declare himself dictator or force his will on the
> >> > electorate?
> >>
> >> He controls the military, the police, south america's largest oil
> >> reserves,
> >> the media, anyone who opposes him either gets arrested or killed.
> >> Sounds
> >> like a dictator to me.
> >
> >
> > Yet many of you suppored Pinochet.
>
> Nobody I know, fruitloop.
You can't be a good Republican then.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > What he did was no different than if your country had a referendum
> >> > repealing the 22nd amendment. Which, as a moron, you probably have no
> >> > idea what it is.
> >>
> >> Fuck you up your gay little ass you faggot liberal fuck!
> >>
> >
> > I must have won this discussion. You have lost your temper.
>
> Go to hell!
Snicker. I win again.
Alric Knebel
Yeah, I guess that settles it. Every dictator has his admirers. I
suppose he had the trains running on time.
--
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Alric Knebel
clouddreamer
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:21:54 -0500, "Syvyn11"
> <robhor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact that he controls Citgo, means we better take him seriously.
>
> The fact that whether or not Chavez does, isn't
> relevant to the idiocy of Smudge.
Hell, the fact that Chavez might is more than enough reason to move to
alternative energies as fast as possible. What better way to piss off a
oil country dictator than to say "screw you, we don't need your oil."
;]
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Mar 7, 1:27 am, "John Gilmer" <jlgil...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > Syvyn11 wrote
>> >> For Chavez calling anyone 'murderous' or ' genocidal' is a joke.
>>
>> > I was always a fan of Pinochet, and how he was supported by the
>> > Republicans. You guys sure know how to call a pot, being a black
>> > kettle.
>>
>> of,
>> at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet
>> didn't
>> serve as "President for Life."
>>
>> weath.
>> But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of
>> being
>> "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana
>> Republic."
>
>
> was a typical banana republic. It is now a democratic state with a
> government that is working for the benefit of the vast majority of its
> citizens rather than a tiny compradore elite.
..... And it is still a Banana Socialist Republic!
RDR
> RDR wrote:
> > Alric Knebel wrote
> >>> Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
> >>> But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
> >>> "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
> >> Is he? By whose measure?
> >>
> >
> > That's easy! By those who say that Pinochet was a great man!
>
> Yeah, I guess that settles it. Every dictator has his admirers. I
> suppose he had the trains running on time.
>
>
That would make him better than Winston Churchill.
Steve
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
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>On Mar 7, 1:06 pm, "sdgreen" <sd.gr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> "Voyager" <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message
> It is a democratic socialist republic, not a banana republic
>dumbass.
Chavez is a typical tinpot dictator.. shutting down the news media
that doesn't carry his water.
Roy
>
>
>
>
>
> > "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >news:MPG.241bb282a...@News.Individual.NET...
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> > > Syvyn11 wrote
> > >> For Chavez calling anyone 'murderous' or ' genocidal' is a joke.
>
> > > I was always a fan of Pinochet, and how he was supported by the
> > > Republicans. You guys sure know how to call a pot, being a black
> > > kettle.
>
> > Hey, Pinochet left Chile in pretty good shape. Yet Chile is a nation of,
> > at best, so-so natural resources. Note: I said "left." Pinochet didn't
> > serve as "President for Life."
>
> > Venezuala on paper is a very rich nation with lots of oil and mineral weath.
> > But Chavez is destroying the economy. He is showing all the signs of being
> > "President for Life." He is making Venezuala a typical "Banana Republic."
>
> You must be another dumbass fascist repugtard. Until Chavez Venezuala
> was a typical banana republic. It is now a democratic state with a
> government that is working for the benefit of the vast majority of its
>
> - Show quoted text -
Chavez and Mugabe are two despots who use a commitment to socialism as
a cover for their petty little dictatorships. Neither give a shit for
the poor but use them to support their evil regimes. These are not
nice people but psychopathic idiots. They are ruining their respective
countries for the personal glory of POWER.
-
RDR
> Chavez is a typical tinpot dictator.. shutting down the news media
> that doesn't carry his water.
>
You're spot on. Then again Obama allowing the families of deceased
soldiers to the media instead of miliary censorship was a profuond and
major objection to Republicans.
As the old saying by hockey hero Gretzky goes, "It's not where the puck
is, it's where it going to be"
Look out. What the US government was doing regarding the troops and
their funerals was looking badly when it came to a nation that prides
itself on Freedom of Speech and expression.
Steve
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
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>On Mar 7, 2:15 pm, RDR <r...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Steve wrote
>>
>> > Chavez is a typical tinpot dictator.. shutting down the news media
>> > that doesn't carry his water.
>
>> You're spot on.
>
>He isn't spot on. He's a lying repugtard fascist. Chavez isn't a
>dictator, tin pot or otherwise, and he has not shut down the news
>media.
Yes he has..
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/venezuela/090305/venezuelas-media-caught-vicious-circle
RDR
Nobody in their right mind defends Chavez in my view.
But, many who oppose him are into what happened with Pinochet
That is just Pot, Kettle, Black.
Steve
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
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>On Mar 7, 2:47 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:41:47 -0800 (PST), Voyager
>>
>> <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
>> >x-no-archive: yes
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>> >On Mar 7, 2:15 pm, RDR <r...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Steve wrote
>>
>> >> > Chavez is a typical tinpot dictator.. shutting down the news media
>> >> > that doesn't carry his water.
>>
>> >> You're spot on.
>>
>> >He isn't spot on. He's a lying repugtard fascist. Chavez isn't a
>> >dictator, tin pot or otherwise, and he has not shut down the news
>> >media.
>>
>> Yes he has..
>
>So the only media outlets Chavez had were the ones that supported the
>Bush backed coup? What was I saying about you being a lying fascist
>repugtard?
>
>>http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/venezuela/090305/venezuelas-media-...
>
>Pro-Chavez grassroots media bad... pro-Bush America compradore elite
>owned media good. Hilarious.
>
RDR is correct, nobody but a half-witted loon would defend Chaves..
the first indication of a crooked tin-pot dictator is when they try
censor the opposition..
Rich
news:fkj3r4to3uaucmtes...@4ax.com:
> Matt Drudge
> Drudge Report
> Fri Mar 06 2009 17:13:48 ET
>
> Caracas - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Friday called upon US
> President Barack Obama to follow the path to socialism
I hope that Taco-bending shadow of Napolean steps on a landmine.
RDR
>
>
> RDR is correct, nobody but a half-witted loon would defend Chaves..
> the first indication of a crooked tin-pot dictator is when they try
> censor the opposition..
>
Sorry Steveo.
I never said that I backed Hugo.
Your lie. Not mine.
penny
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>RDR is correct, nobody but a half-witted loon would defend Chaves..
>the first indication of a crooked tin-pot dictator is when they try
>censor the opposition..
I think you are referring to Bush and not Chavez. Bush was constantly
censoring something or other. He censored science including global
warming.
In fact " more than 60 of the nation’s top scientists, including 20
Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, and former federal agency
directors, issued a statement on February 18, 2004 accusing the Bush
Administration of deliberately distorting scientific results for
political ends and calling for regulatory and legislative action to
restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking"
And that's just the tip of the iceberg with the former presidunce who
even tried censoring the Dixie Chicks. BTW he also joined the
opposition in Venezuela in trying to overthrow and assassinate
Chavez. who had been democratically elected by the majority of the
people.
Get your history straight !
As for Chavez how in heck can you accuse him of censoring the
opposition when they own the overwhelming majority of
media and have constantly used it against him.
And how can you accuse Chavez of being a "crooked...dictator " when
his initial election victory in 1998 was a rejection by the people of
Venezuela of fhe corrupt , wealthy opposition who had kept them
poverty stricken for decades in a two class society of the very rich
and the very poor.
The people also rejected global corporatism and the all-out
privatization , deregulation, and continuing diminishing of workers'
rights and human rights in Venezuela.
Chavez has brought the people of Venezuela out of an existence of
poverty and misery.
Penny
RDR
>
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:13:42 -0500, Steve
> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >RDR is correct, nobody but a half-witted loon would defend Chaves..
> >the first indication of a crooked tin-pot dictator is when they try
> >censor the opposition..
>
>
> I think you are referring to Bush and not Chavez. Bush was constantly
> censoring something or other. He censored science including global
> warming.
>
Well said Penny.
Clay
...
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:13:42 -0500, Steve
>
> <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> >RDR is correct, nobody but a half-witted loon would defend Chaves..
> >the first indication of a crooked tin-pot dictator is when they try
> >censor the opposition..
>
> I think you are referring to Bush and not Chavez. Bush was constantly
> censoring something or other. He censored science including global
> warming.
>
> In fact " more than 60 of the nation’s top scientists, including 20
> Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, and former federal agency
> directors, issued a statement on February 18, 2004 accusing the Bush
> Administration of deliberately distorting scientific results for
> political ends and calling for regulatory and legislative action to
> restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking"
>
> http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/3-bush-administra...
>
> And that's just the tip of the iceberg with the former presidunce who
> even tried censoring the Dixie Chicks. BTW he also joined the
> opposition in Venezuela in trying to overthrow and assassinate
> Chavez. who had been democratically elected by the majority of the
> people.
>
> Get your history straight !
>
> As for Chavez how in heck can you accuse him of censoring the
> opposition when they own the overwhelming majority of
> media and have constantly used it against him.
>
> And how can you accuse Chavez of being a "crooked...dictator " when
> his initial election victory in 1998 was a rejection by the people of
> Venezuela of fhe corrupt , wealthy opposition who had kept them
> poverty stricken for decades in a two class society of the very rich
> and the very poor.
>
> The people also rejected global corporatism and the all-out
> privatization , deregulation, and continuing diminishing of workers'
> rights and human rights in Venezuela.
>
> Chavez has brought the people of Venezuela out of an existence of
> poverty and misery.
Written like a very carefully indoctrinated Marxist.
It's pathetic, really.
-C-
Tom
Answered like a douche bag who gets his 'news' off the back of the
cereal box.
You're the pathetic one here.
Tom
dan...@rocketmail.com
> "RDR" <r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.241c37178...@News.Individual.NET...
>
> > Syvyn11 wrote
> >> funny how the lib forgets the vote eariler in the year where he asked
> >> voters
> >> to remove the term limits on being president. In hence, president for
> >> life.
>
> > Ok,
>
> > How does the stupid rightist understand English?
>
> > He was democratically elected. He asked voters in a plebicite to
> > remove term limits.
>
> "democratically elected?" Monitors said that his elections are fixed.
> Al Franken learned how to run a election from Chavez.
Hugo Chavez uses the same tools Mexico used to create a party
dictatorship disguised as a democracy. Dissidents are not actually
imprisoned for opposing the ruling Party, nor do they have to be,
because the Party controls all government and social institutions. If
you want to shine shoes in Mexico, you must join the shoeshiner
union. The union is an organ of the ruling Party, and support for the
Party is mandatory if you wish to continue shining shoes or whatever
you do for a living. You can even see the same corruption in the USA
- just watch what happens if a Teamsters union member expresses
support for McCain or puts a Republitard bumper sticker on his car.
Venezuela is very similar to Mexico in that both have large oil
reserves which the ruling Party has nationalized to 'benefit the
people.' Since the Party purports to represent the interests of the
people, the oil money belongs to the Party and is used to perpetuate
the Party's agenda. Some of the oil wealth is used to reward peasants
who support the regime, some used to rig elections, and the rest is
embezzled and laundered into Swiss bank accounts.
Clay
...
The USENET poster who embarrassed your dumbass.
Yes, you're still "idiot Tom".
Too fucking funny.
-C-
Steve
Sure... ...by censoring the news media...
>Penny
>
Steve
Errrr, I didn't say you backed him, I said you were correct in dissing
people that did back him...
Starkiller©
<think...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
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>On Mar 8, 8:40 am, M...@dick.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:05:44 -0800 (PST), Voyager
>>
>> <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
>> >x-no-archive: yes
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>> >On Mar 7, 7:41 pm, M...@dick.com wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:39:59 -0800 (PST), Voyager
>>
>> >> <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote:
>> >> >Chavez was democratically elected twice, won a referendum and has yet
>> >> >to commit an act of despotism.
>>
>> >> It is despotic to control the military,
>>
>> >who controls the military in the USA?
>
>> The civilian government elected by the people
>
>ROFLMAO. Yeah, the people wanted the Iraq and Afghan wars. <deep
>sarcasm>
>
>>and DOES
>> NOT engage in operations to intimidate and influence
>> Citizens to vote a specific political party---
>
>Kent State ring any bells? Oh yeah, that was only the national guard.
>
>>(which
>> Chavez's military does)
>
>
>you know this how... your repugtard media outlets told you so right?
>
>> >>to shut down and opposition,
>>
>> >who has done that?
>
>> Chavez
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> >>media, free speech,
>>
>> >There is a wider ownership of the media in Venezuela than in the USA.
>
>> No, it's influenced by Chavez
>
>There is a wider ownership of the media in Venezuela than in the USA.
>You've just been indoctrinated.
>
>
>> >>use the power of
>> >> government to nationalize business and private
>> >> property.
>>
>> >And wtf is wrong with that?
>
>> Nothing if you're an advocate of Totalitarianism and a
>> moron despot
>
>Right. The natural resources of a country should not be used to
>provide medicine and education and food to the people of the country.
><deep sarcasm.
>
>You are a *repugtard goof.*
>
>> >> He certainly has done that
>>
>> >Yes, he has. Good on him.
>>
>> >> Every year the commies "held elections" all the
>> >> communists won
>>
>> >> Does that ring a bell?
>
>> >It does. And you think it relevant why exactly?
>
>> Because "elections" that are sham are not valid.
>
>Only dumbass fascist repugtards are claiming the elections in
>Venezuela were shams.
Yeah yeah sure sure. Because living in Saskatoon somehow makes you an
expert in Venezuelan politics.
Try preaching your pro Chavez propaganda to some of the victims of his
death squads moron.
http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200610051049
Roy
> > >> The civilian government elected by the people
>
> > >ROFLMAO. Yeah, the people wanted the Iraq and Afghan wars
> > (without all the collateral issues)----
>
> Bush may never have been elected. Chavez was elected twice.
>
> > OUR rule of law says HE was the authority
>
> The second time around a stacked Supreme Court said he was the
> authority. Venezuela's highest court also said his referendum was
> legal.
>
> > In Chavez's dictatorship----the people have no say.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> > The "election" of chavez is a sham
>
> More fascist repugtard bullshit. Chavez was democratically elected
> twice.
>
> Lets see if I can help you pierce your indoctrination and think for
> yourself: If Chavez was a dictator, why was it necessary for him to
> conduct and win a plebescite about altering Venezuela's Constitution
> to end Presidential term limits. Why wouldn't he just have said, ala
> Captain Picard "make it so."?
'cause he is a clever little dictator.
-
Matt
> > > that doesn't carry his water.
> > You're spot on.
>
> He isn't spot on. He's a lying repugtard fascist. Chavez isn't a
> dictator, tin pot or otherwise, and he has not shut down the news
> media.
>
> Why do fascist repugtards lie perpetually?
You get used to them. "Steve" is a typical "Google Scholar" who
believes
everything he reads.
Ask him about WLBT in Jackson, MS and then watch him run.
Matt