Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
Ronn
"More government ALWAYS translates into Less freedom."
http://www.libertyforall.net/carolinus.html
Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
by R. Lee Wrights
Almost one year ago Americans were left dumbfounded as
they watched two of the tallest structures on the face of the planet
crumble into a smoking mountain of rubble, the result of the most
devastating terrorist attack ever concocted by man. It was almost
impossible to believe that such a heinous act of mass murder and
devastating destruction could happen in the greatest nation on the
globe. As the shock of the tragedy began to wear off people
immediately began asking the inevitable question, "What could possibly
motivate supposed religious men to take so many innocent lives?" It is
a question I have heard all my life; and even today, we are still
wrestling with the quandary of, "Why do 'they' hate 'us'?" Why indeed?
As always, the talking heads and political pundits "gave"
us "the" answer hand-crafted and handed down from the slickest spin
doctors on Capitol Hill. Third-world countries hate us because we are
free. That's right, pure and simple we are hated by people that never
even laid eyes on us because of our precious birthright - Freedom. So,
in actuality they do not really hate us, but rather, they hate our way
of life.
We are told they hate us because our women do not wear
veils and our children stop by McDonald's on their way home from
school. We are reviled because we drive SUV's filled with petroleum
from their oil fields purchased with American dollars that feed their
countries' economies. They say we are held in contempt because our
citizens are free to choose the religion they wish to practice; and,
we are despised because Americans are free to ignore God altogether if
they so choose. We are told they want us all dead because we are at
liberty to speak our minds.
What's worse? Americans believe this government
propaganda.
Now I am not going to try and say that there are not
people in this world that hate our freedom. In fact, I know there are
folks that hate our freedom and I don't have to leave my hometown to
see them. After all, I have attended my share of board of aldermen,
county commissioner, and school board meetings and I have yet to find
a deficiency of people seeking to usurp freedom in any of them. But I
digress.
Obviously there are some people in the world that hate us
because of our freedom, but I believe the number is relatively small.
Most people in the world today want to be free. They do not hate Lady
Liberty. They long to embrace her and know the passionate joy she
bestows in the form of pure, unabridged freedom. Indeed, most people
envy our freedom as is reflected in the number of illegal aliens
estimated to inhabit the United States of America. No, most of the
people in the world do not hate "us" because we are free, if they even
hate us at all.
What people do hate, and this is a common trait among all
nationalities, is government intrusion. They hate the red tape that
feeds a bloated bureaucracy no matter what language in which the
paperwork is rendered. People all over the world hate being told what
to do by overbearing, nursemaid politicians promising to improve their
lives. The bigger the government, the more there is to despise. And
the only thing people hate worse than perceived intrusions by their
own government, are actual intrusions from a foreign government. I
mean, is there anything more aggravating than a nosy neighbor that
acts like your Mother?
Remember, when the chatting noggins are saying they hate
us, the 'they' is usually a relatively small group of individuals and
the 'us' is really 'US' which means their hatred is well defined
within the Beltway. Most people in foreign countries do not hate you,
they hate your government because the President and Congress,
whichever flavor is in season this year, cannot keep their collective
nose out of everybody else's business. American politicians for
decades have deluded themselves into believing that not only do they
know what is best for you and I; but moreover, they are convinced they
know what is best for the rest of the world as well.
If government intrusion pisses you off then you know why
they hate us, and it is not because of our freedom. It is because our
government refuses to let others be free. By trying to impose our
values upon unknown people, we deprive those same people of the
freedom of choice. You cannot have freedom without choice. Values are
subjective and cannot be imposed upon any man, for each must acquire
his values from the experience of exercising his own free will. One
man's sin may be another's salvation. But the one thing that all men
will rebel against is anyone telling him/her that they can or cannot
do something. We ALL want to be free to make our own decisions and our
own choices absent meddling by anyone or any agency regardless of the
number of letters on their black baseball caps.
Why do they hate us? Maybe it would be more appropriate to
ask, "Why shouldn't they hate us?" We have bombed their homes and
deposed their rulers only to replace those rulers with banana
republics that leave the people in worse conditions than they had
known before. Our President declares that you are either with him or
against him and if you stand against him you will die. Too bad that
you want no part of the fight that is brewing, you are the ones that
will be forever remembered as "collateral damage."
Why do they hate us? Why indeed?
"It is good that war is so terrible, or men would grow to
like it too much." - Robert E. Lee
Bill Bonde
Ronn wrote:
>
> "More government ALWAYS translates into Less freedom."
>
> http://www.libertyforall.net/carolinus.html
>
> Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
>
Because we are beautiful.
--
Don't cry, Mother. We will make them pay. I promise.
--Prisoner of the Mountains
Tarver Engineering
"Ronn" <ro...@gamebox.net> wrote in message
news:3d7a5...@binaries.vphos.net...
>
> "More government ALWAYS translates into Less freedom."
>
> http://www.libertyforall.net/carolinus.html
>
> Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
>
> by R. Lee Wrights
>
> Almost one year ago Americans were left dumbfounded as
> they watched two of the tallest structures on the face of the planet
> crumble into a smoking mountain of rubble, the result of the most
> devastating terrorist attack ever concocted by man. It was almost
> impossible to believe that such a heinous act of mass murder and
> devastating destruction could happen in the greatest nation on the
> globe. As the shock of the tragedy began to wear off people
> immediately began asking the inevitable question, "What could possibly
> motivate supposed religious men to take so many innocent lives?" It is
> a question I have heard all my life; and even today, we are still
> wrestling with the quandary of, "Why do 'they' hate 'us'?" Why indeed?
Who gives a shit?
The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
dead.
John
Marcus Hellas
<jta...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>Who gives a shit?
http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
that you admite..." --"flamestar"
"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
-- The Onion
Tarver Engineering
"Marcus Hellas" <Hel...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3d7a7240...@news.starpower.net...
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> <jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >
> >Who gives a shit?
>
>
>
> http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
Liberty comes at a price, let it be their price.
John
conp...@voyager.net
<jta...@sti.net> wrote:
I much prefer the latter; too many good pork chops left uneatened the
other way.
Tarver Engineering
<conp...@voyager.net> wrote in message
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As Homer would say, "hmmmmm pork chops".
John
ros...@kickbeck.com
<jta...@sti.net> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
Just as long as your dumb ass isn't ever put on the line, tarveridiot.
**************************************************************
You're a *fucking moron*. You are the very picture of why
top-posting assholes should get thrown in the nearest river, you
completely incompetent idiot. God damn you neck-deep in a lake of
runny shit. *Fuck* you, you bullshit little punk.
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/free
Tarver Engineering
<ros...@kickbeck.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:53:52 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> <jta...@sti.net> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
> >
> >"Marcus Hellas" <Hel...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:3d7a7240...@news.starpower.net...
> >> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> <jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Who gives a shit?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >
> >Liberty comes at a price, let it be their price.
>
> Just as long as your dumb ass isn't ever put on the line, tarveridiot.
Oh no roseloon, we Tarvers have been jack booted thugs since 11c.
John
Trurl
> Who gives a shit?
>
> The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
> dead.
ROFL.
How do you plan to identify and eliminate the hundreds of thousands of
Muslims in your own country?
--
Leo.
trurl is a spamtrap
Tarver Engineering
"Trurl" <tr...@cyberiad.net> wrote in message
news:2c6231.020908...@posting.google.com...
What about the term Islamist don't you understand?
Hint: most Moslems are not Islamists and probably none of them are US
citizens.
John
Julian D.
You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims. While all muslims do
condone the tactics by bin laden and others to punish and kill
non-muslim Americans, most will not speak it openly. America must
search out and be ever watchful for those 'American muslims' who
actively support bin laden and terrorism.
For example, this is a classic example of the typical muslim's
feelings towards the attacks on September 11, 2000:
"I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
they did it."
There's always that qualifier, that little snippet after they say what
happened Sept. 11. was horrifying, unfortunate, or bad.
'but now I can see why they did it', or 'but I can understand why it
happened', etc.
There is no reason for the attacks on September 11, 2001.
At least no rational, logical reasons.
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
"Critics of the war on terrorism don’t seem to understand: someone is trying to kill them."
-Jonathan Alter
NEWSWEEK
Palestinian Children's School Is In Session!!!
http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
On Islamic extremists: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter, National Review Online, September 2001
"100% of the successful terrorist attacks on
commercial airlines for 20 years have been committed
by Arabs. When there is a 100% chance, it ceases to
be a profile. It's called a 'description of the
suspect.'" - Ann Coulter
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me
Julian D.
wrote:
I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
on September 11, 2001.
300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
2001.
American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
Islam must be taught a lesson.
Bush will help.
Harrison X. Numbugger
"Julian D." wrote:
>
> On 8 Sep 2002 06:59:07 -0700, tr...@cyberiad.net (Trurl) wrote:
>
> >"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sti.net> wrote in message news:<3d7a...@news.sierratel.com>...
> >> "Ronn" <ro...@gamebox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3d7a5...@binaries.vphos.net...
> >> >
> >> > Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
> >snip
> >
> >> Who gives a shit?
> >>
> >> The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
> >> dead.
> >
> >ROFL.
> >
> >How do you plan to identify and eliminate the hundreds of thousands of
> >Muslims in your own country?
>
> You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims. While all muslims do
> condone the tactics by bin laden and others to punish and kill
> non-muslim Americans, most will not speak it openly. America must
> search out and be ever watchful for those 'American muslims' who
> actively support bin laden and terrorism.
>
why don't you take your bigotry and your ignorance and pound it up your
ass moron?
--
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That
is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman
Goering (second in command to Adolf Hitler) at the Nuremberg Trials
Tarver Engineering
"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:3hrmnuc31haqm568l...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Who gives a shit?
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >
> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >
> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >
> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >-- The Onion
>
>
> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> on September 11, 2001.
>
> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> 2001.
>
> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>
> Bush will help.
I'll bid 1000 each.
John
Dwacon Texas Rancher
It isn't really about religion... it all started as a reaction to US mass
media propagating "offensive" material in those countries...
--
That's Short for Ammonia
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
http://www.dwacon.com
Rich Travsky
>
> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Who gives a shit?
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >
> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >
> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >
> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >-- The Onion
>
> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> on September 11, 2001.
Ah, condoning is a crime according to Jules. So much for America being a
nation of laws, eh?
> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> 2001.
Then your number is too high. The actual number is lower.
> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>
> Bush will help.
Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
RT
Julian D.
<jta...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
>news:3hrmnuc31haqm568l...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
>> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Who gives a shit?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
>> >
>> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
>> >
>> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
>> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
>> >
>> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
>> >-- The Onion
>>
>>
>> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
>> on September 11, 2001.
>>
>> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
>> 2001.
>>
>> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
>> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>>
>> Bush will help.
>
>I'll bid 1000 each.
>
>John
>
No..it WAS a 1000 dead for every American. But 100 dead for each is a
nice attainable figure.
Tarver Engineering
That depends on the co-operation of Nations neighboring evil States.
John
Tarver Engineering
"Rich Travsky" <REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote in message
news:3D7B7F82...@hotmail.comMOVE...
That must be very confusing for you Rich, hating so many things.
John
Brain Death
<hnumb...@impeachbush.now> wrote:
>
>
>"Julian D." wrote:
>>
>> On 8 Sep 2002 06:59:07 -0700, tr...@cyberiad.net (Trurl) wrote:
>>
>> >"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sti.net> wrote in message news:<3d7a...@news.sierratel.com>...
>> >> "Ronn" <ro...@gamebox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:3d7a5...@binaries.vphos.net...
>> >> >
>> >> > Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
>> >snip
>> >
>> >> Who gives a shit?
>> >>
>> >> The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
>> >> dead.
>> >
>> >ROFL.
>> >
>> >How do you plan to identify and eliminate the hundreds of thousands of
>> >Muslims in your own country?
>>
>> You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims. While all muslims do
>> condone the tactics by bin laden and others to punish and kill
>> non-muslim Americans, most will not speak it openly. America must
>> search out and be ever watchful for those 'American muslims' who
>> actively support bin laden and terrorism.
>>
>
>why don't you take your bigotry and your ignorance and pound it up your
>ass moron?
I have always wondered if the reason for the last part of your nym was
because your victims were usually numb when you buggered them.
BD
coyotes rand mair fheal
<ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Who gives a shit?
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >
> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >
> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >
> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >-- The Onion
>
>
> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> on September 11, 2001.
>
> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> 2001.
got about a few million moslem american citizens right now
we can get your quota without even leaving the country
Julian D.
<REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
>"Julian D." wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
>> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Who gives a shit?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
>> >
>> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
>> >
>> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
>> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
>> >
>> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
>> >-- The Onion
>>
>> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
>> on September 11, 2001.
>
>Ah, condoning is a crime according to Jules. So much for America being a
>nation of laws, eh?
>
Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
>> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
>> 2001.
>
>Then your number is too high. The actual number is lower.
Interest.
>> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
>> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>>
>> Bush will help.
>
>Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
proud of it.
There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
>RT
coyotes rand mair fheal
> > nice attainable figure.
>
> That depends on the co-operation of Nations neighboring evil States.
what kind of cooperation were you expecting
from canada and mexico?
Julian D.
Only if they hate America and wish Americans dead.
Markus
believe that Israel is "occupying" part of their holy land. To "end
the occupation" is to destroy Israel. This is a religious war that
they are waging against Israel.
They have now come to the conclusion that in order to destroy Israel,
they must also destroy us. They are not willing to negotiate or talk,
they just kill. They believe that it is their religious duty to kill.
They even believe that if they die in the act of killing, they go to
heaven. This was not our fight to begin with, but we are now in it
with no escape. We have to destroy them before they destroy us. That
is the unfortunate situation that we are in.
On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
<jta...@sti.net> wrote:
Rich Travsky
>
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:49:06 -0600, Rich Travsky
> <REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
>
> >"Julian D." wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Who gives a shit?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >> >
> >> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >> >
> >> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >> >
> >> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >> >-- The Onion
> >>
> >> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> >> on September 11, 2001.
> >
> >Ah, condoning is a crime according to Jules. So much for America being a
> >nation of laws, eh?
> >
> Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
Cite required.
> >> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> >> 2001.
> >
> >Then your number is too high. The actual number is lower.
>
> Interest.
Unjustifiable.
> >> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
> >> Islam must be taught a lesson.
> >>
> >> Bush will help.
> >
> >Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
>
> I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
> proud of it.
>
> There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
I other words, you're no better than the terrorists and want America
likewiase sink to their level.
Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
RT
Rich Travsky
Hating right wing bigotry and stupidity is only two things. But then,
to you, "two" is a lot...
RT
conp...@voyager.net
<hnumb...@impeachbush.now> wrote:
>
>
>"Julian D." wrote:
>>
>> On 8 Sep 2002 06:59:07 -0700, tr...@cyberiad.net (Trurl) wrote:
>>
>> >"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sti.net> wrote in message news:<3d7a...@news.sierratel.com>...
>> >> "Ronn" <ro...@gamebox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:3d7a5...@binaries.vphos.net...
>> >> >
>> >> > Why Do 'They' Hate 'Us'?
>> >snip
>> >
>> >> Who gives a shit?
>> >>
>> >> The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
>> >> dead.
>> >
>> >ROFL.
>> >
>> >How do you plan to identify and eliminate the hundreds of thousands of
>> >Muslims in your own country?
>>
>> You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims. While all muslims do
>> condone the tactics by bin laden and others to punish and kill
>> non-muslim Americans, most will not speak it openly. America must
>> search out and be ever watchful for those 'American muslims' who
>> actively support bin laden and terrorism.
>>
>
>why don't you take your bigotry and your ignorance and pound it up your
>ass moron?
Hairy, why is your bugger numb?
coyotes rand mair fheal
<ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:53:19 -0700, mair_...@yahoo.com (coyotes rand
> mair fheal) wrote:
>
> >In article <3hrmnuc31haqm568l...@4ax.com>, Julian D.
> ><ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Who gives a shit?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >> >
> >> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >> >
> >> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >> >
> >> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >> >-- The Onion
> >>
> >>
> >> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> >> on September 11, 2001.
> >>
> >> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> >> 2001.
> >
> >got about a few million moslem american citizens right now
> >we can get your quota without even leaving the country
>
> Only if they hate America and wish Americans dead.
at least youre not so far gone
that you cant refine your hatred
when youre confronmted with reality
Julian D.
<REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
It's been a year. Interest has accrued. Don't be unreasonable.
>> >> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
>> >> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>> >>
>> >> Bush will help.
>> >
>> >Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
>>
>> I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
>> proud of it.
>>
>> There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
>
>I other words, you're no better than the terrorists and want America
>likewiase sink to their level.
No, the more people realize that Islam is NOT a peaceful, wonderful
religion, the more understanding they will have of their enemy. As
soon as they realize the muslim terrorists want them dead, the more
understanding they will have.
Appeasing them will do no good. Make no mistake. This IS a war
about religion.
>Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
>killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
watched by our government.
I'll just watch my President send OUR military to kill anti-American,
terrorism-prone muslims. Hussein's army is over 300,000. I figure a
portion of those, some more down the road should take care of it.
It IS possible.
>Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
>
>RT
Just so we get the record straight, I'll reiterate my position. While
I've never harbored any ill-will or intolerance towards any religion,
make no mistake, I am NOW. Not ONCE did any dominant mainstream
Islamic leader come to the forefront and condemn the attacks on
September 11, 2001. Not ONCE did any come forward and decry the
bombings except like this:
"I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
they did it."
Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
acts of violence.
American lives are not taken cheaply.
JD
Tarver Engineering
"Markus" <hom...@justice.com> wrote in message
news:3d7b9def...@news.east.cox.net...
> They are fighting Israel. They are not really fighting us. They
> believe that Israel is "occupying" part of their holy land. To "end
> the occupation" is to destroy Israel. This is a religious war that
> they are waging against Israel.
This is a religous war the Islamists are waging against the United States.
Once the WTC went down I could not give a shit less how they "feel".
> They have now come to the conclusion that in order to destroy Israel,
> they must also destroy us. They are not willing to negotiate or talk,
> they just kill. They believe that it is their religious duty to kill.
> They even believe that if they die in the act of killing, they go to
> heaven. This was not our fight to begin with, but we are now in it
> with no escape. We have to destroy them before they destroy us. That
> is the unfortunate situation that we are in.
It is not our choice, I would choose peace.
John
Rich Travsky
>
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:00:20 -0600, Rich Travsky
> <REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
>
> >"Julian D." wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:49:06 -0600, Rich Travsky
> >> <REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Julian D." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> >> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Who gives a shit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >> >> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >> >> >-- The Onion
> >> >>
> >> >> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> >> >> on September 11, 2001.
> >> >
> >> >Ah, condoning is a crime according to Jules. So much for America being a
> >> >nation of laws, eh?
> >> >
> >> Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
> >
> >Cite required.
Cite showing this is justified.
> >> >> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> >> >> 2001.
> >> >
> >> >Then your number is too high. The actual number is lower.
> >>
> >> Interest.
> >
> >Unjustifiable.
> >
>
> It's been a year. Interest has accrued. Don't be unreasonable.
Still waiting for some kind of cite.
> >> >> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
> >> >> Islam must be taught a lesson.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bush will help.
> >> >
> >> >Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
> >>
> >> I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
> >> proud of it.
> >>
> >> There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
> >
> >I other words, you're no better than the terrorists and want America
> >likewiase sink to their level.
>
> No, the more people realize that Islam is NOT a peaceful, wonderful
> religion, the more understanding they will have of their enemy. As
> soon as they realize the muslim terrorists want them dead, the more
> understanding they will have.
> Appeasing them will do no good. Make no mistake. This IS a war
> about religion.
Can you make up your mind? Above you say Islam is not peaceful. Below you
say there are "law-abiding non-terrorist" muslims. How can that be if
you say Islam is not peaceful???
> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
>
> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
"I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
> watched by our government.
But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
death decree???
You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
> I'll just watch my President send OUR military to kill anti-American,
> terrorism-prone muslims. Hussein's army is over 300,000. I figure a
> portion of those, some more down the road should take care of it.
> It IS possible.
It's certain you're a bigot and a hypocrite.
> >Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
> >
> >RT
>
> Just so we get the record straight, I'll reiterate my position. While
> I've never harbored any ill-will or intolerance towards any religion,
> make no mistake, I am NOW. Not ONCE did any dominant mainstream
> Islamic leader come to the forefront and condemn the attacks on
> September 11, 2001. Not ONCE did any come forward and decry the
> bombings except like this:
>
> "I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
> they did it."
So, you have a poll of EVERY muslim in the world???
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/09/08/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=238348
>
> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
> acts of violence.
>
> American lives are not taken cheaply.
So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
RT
Rich Travsky
>
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:53:19 -0700, mair_...@yahoo.com (coyotes rand
> mair fheal) wrote:
>
> >In article <3hrmnuc31haqm568l...@4ax.com>, Julian D.
> ><ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:40:38 GMT, Hel...@nospam.com (Marcus Hellas)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:51:04 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
> >> ><jta...@sti.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Who gives a shit?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >http://www.sfheart.com/marktwai.html
> >> >
> >> >"Democracy is unAmerican." --JoseSoplar
> >> >
> >> >"Still afraid of the PLO is see, coward? Once we adopt the methodis
> >> >that you admite..." --"flamestar"
> >> >
> >> >"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."
> >> >-- The Onion
> >>
> >>
> >> I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
> >> on September 11, 2001.
> >>
> >> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
> >> 2001.
> >
> >got about a few million moslem american citizens right now
> >we can get your quota without even leaving the country
>
> Only if they hate America and wish Americans dead.
So, freedom of speech only applies to non muslim Americans, eh?
Let's see: muslim Americans are still Americans, so if you want them dead,
that makes you --- what?
RT
Julian D.
The upcoming war in Iraq will have many cites for you to peruse.
Unless you want to claim we murdered the enemy during the Gulf War?
>> >> >> 300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
>> >> >> 2001.
>> >> >
>> >> >Then your number is too high. The actual number is lower.
>> >>
>> >> Interest.
>> >
>> >Unjustifiable.
>> >
>>
>> It's been a year. Interest has accrued. Don't be unreasonable.
>
>Still waiting for some kind of cite.
>
Cite about how many died September 11, 2001?
Ok..around 3,000 people died. You're being nit-picky.
>> >> >> American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
>> >> >> Islam must be taught a lesson.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bush will help.
>> >> >
>> >> >Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
>> >>
>> >> I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
>> >> proud of it.
>> >>
>> >> There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
>> >
>> >I other words, you're no better than the terrorists and want America
>> >likewiase sink to their level.
>>
>> No, the more people realize that Islam is NOT a peaceful, wonderful
>> religion, the more understanding they will have of their enemy. As
>> soon as they realize the muslim terrorists want them dead, the more
>> understanding they will have.
>> Appeasing them will do no good. Make no mistake. This IS a war
>> about religion.
>Can you make up your mind? Above you say Islam is not peaceful. Below you
>say there are "law-abiding non-terrorist" muslims. How can that be if
>you say Islam is not peaceful???
It's not a peaceful religion, but those who do not follow exactly what
Mohammed demands, such as the 'law-abiding non-terrorist' muslims,
they represent those few muslims who arent terrorist-prone or killers
of Americans.
>> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
>> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
>>
>> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
>
>Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
thing. NOT a bad thing.
>> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
>> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
>
>Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
>sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
Staying civilized and not acting violent when your religion requires
you to kill Christians and Jews is to be commended. bin Laden would
probably have had them killed for not following the true tenets of
islam.
> "I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
>
>> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
>> watched by our government.
>
>But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
>death decree???
See above. btw, we'll see how well Iraq's neighbors, those other
'peaceful' muslims who arent terrorists, become when the shooting
starts. They will count towards my goal of 300,000 as well.
>You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
>"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
of the palestinians.
http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
>Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
you don't want to lump me in with them.
>> I'll just watch my President send OUR military to kill anti-American,
>> terrorism-prone muslims. Hussein's army is over 300,000. I figure a
>> portion of those, some more down the road should take care of it.
>> It IS possible.
>
>It's certain you're a bigot and a hypocrite.
>
>> >Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
>> >
>> >RT
>>
>> Just so we get the record straight, I'll reiterate my position. While
>> I've never harbored any ill-will or intolerance towards any religion,
>> make no mistake, I am NOW. Not ONCE did any dominant mainstream
>> Islamic leader come to the forefront and condemn the attacks on
>> September 11, 2001. Not ONCE did any come forward and decry the
>> bombings except like this:
>>
>> "I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
>> they did it."
>
>So, you have a poll of EVERY muslim in the world???
>
It has to be true, it must be true. Otherwise the major leaders of
Islam would have proclaimed what the muslim hijackers did was wrong
and in violation of the Koran. With no, 'but I can understand why
they did it', at the end of their statements.
Are you going to tell us that most muslims are going to ignore the
laws of their pedophile Prophet? That most of them do not consider
bin Laden a hero? Are you that naive?
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/09/08/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=238348
>>
>> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
>> acts of violence.
>>
>> American lives are not taken cheaply.
>
>So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
>Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
off the violent urges their religion demands.
>RT
I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
Julian D.
They're the ones who have not proclaimed from the rooftops that the
hijackers on September 11, 2001 were not true muslims, or following a
perverted version of it. The silence is deafening. I, as you well
know, would love for them to stand at the street corners, stand in the
middle of NYC, stand out in public and tell their fellow Americans how
they really feel. Exercise that freedom of speech! Especially the
more savage of them when they shout out that they want to kill their
fellow Americans.
I'd volunteer to drive the friggin police van to come pick them up.
If only they'd have the BALLS to say in public what they hear in their
mosques. btw...you HAVE heard the reports of a typical sermon at
their mosques, haven't you?
You'd think the Taliban head-pooba was running it.
>Let's see: muslim Americans are still Americans, so if you want them dead,
>that makes you --- what?
>
>RT
Very wary and watchful. Never know when one wants to take a stroll
thru Times Square on new years eve and go boom.
One other thing Travesty. Thanks for the threads with my name in
them. I like the advertising and the opportunity for as many people
here to read my fantastic, wise, wonderful thoughts.
YOU, my friend, are what makes usenet work! Be proud.
Harrison X. Numbugger
shut up you fucking bigot.
>The silence is deafening. I, as you well
> know, would love for them to stand at the street corners, stand in the
> middle of NYC, stand out in public and tell their fellow Americans how
> they really feel. Exercise that freedom of speech! Especially the
> more savage of them when they shout out that they want to kill their
> fellow Americans.
> I'd volunteer to drive the friggin police van to come pick them up.
> If only they'd have the BALLS to say in public what they hear in their
> mosques. btw...you HAVE heard the reports of a typical sermon at
> their mosques, haven't you?
> You'd think the Taliban head-pooba was running it.
>
you are quite psssibly the biggest asshole on usenet. grow up little
boy.
--
Trurl
> On 8 Sep 2002 06:59:07 -0700, tr...@cyberiad.net (Trurl) wrote:
>
> >"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@sti.net> wrote in message news:<3d7a...@news.sierratel.com>...
> >
> >> Who gives a shit?
> >>
> >> The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
> >> dead.
> >
> >
> >How do you plan to identify and eliminate the hundreds of thousands of
> >Muslims in your own country?
>
>
> You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims.
There is no clear definition of Islamist.
> While all muslims do condone the tactics by bin laden and others to punish
> and kill non-muslim Americans, most will not speak it openly.
ROFL. All of them? Even the little ones?
snip
> There's always that qualifier, that little snippet after they say what
> happened Sept. 11. was horrifying, unfortunate, or bad.
> 'but now I can see why they did it', or 'but I can understand why it
> happened', etc.
> There is no reason for the attacks on September 11, 2001.
> At least no rational, logical reasons.
I agree completely. It was a repulsive, cowardly attack, just like all
bombing of innocent civilians.
--
Leo.
trurl is a spamtrap.
Julian D.
<jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> --
>On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:33:20 -0400, Julian D.
><ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
>> Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
>
>Actually it is not lawful to kill people just for hating you.
>They have to credibly threaten you before you can kill them.
>
>We have, however, an ample supply of muslims who have credibly
>threatened to kill us, and are unlikely to run short.
The 'evil' part meant those dogs that have credibly threatened to kill
us.
> --digsig
> James A. Donald
> 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
> gpFBwSgmg0GU3aN6CBs+FfhIHBUt5OEc+KgSBLgw
> 2qkgVLfwQOHkthsyq6E4moauqFY4iBxdo2BS1Kf0G
Markus
animal. Our intelligence has known that for some time.
To these people, it's Israel itself that is the grievance. They
believe that Israel's existence in their holy land is an occupation.
They keep saying it over and over again, it's not like they are trying
to hide it or anything.
But I agree, at this point what does it matter? Why did the japanese
attack pearl harbor? Why did the germans sink the Lusitania? Once they
are trying to kill you it really doesn't matter does it. If someone is
coming at you with a baseball bat, you don't ask them why while they
are beating you over the head with it.
On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:16:17 -0700, James A. Donald
<jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> --
>On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:08:02 GMT, hom...@justice.com (Markus) wrote:
>> They are fighting Israel. They are not really fighting us.
>
>There were no Palestinians among the terrorists on the planes
>that targeted the twin towers.
>
>Arabs have some serious legitimate grievances against Israel.
>They do not have any serious legitimate grievances against the
>US.
>
>Those who are most conspicuous in fighting Israel are the
>Hezbollah and Hamas, who were inconspicuous in the attacks on
>the US, and very possibly played no role at all in those
>attacks.
>
> --digsig
> James A. Donald
> 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
> GID9Gmj2bR351Kw1YBh4/DkQHbJRJnmEWZc86jxz
> 205C4gNCPqZaAMPqaANzijq2+EoHk4q+MOtuimvsH
>
>
coyotes rand mair fheal
>
> There is no clear definition of Islamist.
youre wrong of course
an islamist is a moslem jd doesnt like
> > There is no reason for the attacks on September 11, 2001.
> > At least no rational, logical reasons.
>
> I agree completely. It was a repulsive, cowardly attack, just like all
> bombing of innocent civilians.
the quality of the reasons doesnt stop them from being reasons
Rich Travsky
<jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> --
>On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:33:20 -0400, Julian D.
><ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
>> Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
>
>Actually it is not lawful to kill people just for hating you.
>They have to credibly threaten you before you can kill them.
>
>We have, however, an ample supply of muslims who have credibly
>threatened to kill us, and are unlikely to run short.
No, that is not grounds for killing someone. Possibly grounds for
incarceration or other non lethal measures, depending on circumstances.
RT
Julian D.
awww..little girly-boy Nuthummer upset. Jules say bad thing.
bad Julian, bad!
Jules insult hijackers. waaaaah! waaaah!
> >The silence is deafening. I, as you well
>> know, would love for them to stand at the street corners, stand in the
>> middle of NYC, stand out in public and tell their fellow Americans how
>> they really feel. Exercise that freedom of speech! Especially the
>> more savage of them when they shout out that they want to kill their
>> fellow Americans.
>> I'd volunteer to drive the friggin police van to come pick them up.
>> If only they'd have the BALLS to say in public what they hear in their
>> mosques. btw...you HAVE heard the reports of a typical sermon at
>> their mosques, haven't you?
>> You'd think the Taliban head-pooba was running it.
>>
>
>you are quite psssibly the biggest asshole on usenet. grow up little
>boy.
Untrue. You hold that honor. Admit it.
Dave Zero
>>> You're confusing 'Islamists' with all muslims.
>>
>> There is no clear definition of Islamist.
>
> youre wrong of course
>
> an islamist is a moslem jd doesnt like
An "islamist" can be roughly defined as those who "practice a fringe
form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and
the vast majority of Muslim clerics, a fringe movement that perverts the
peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists' directive commands them to
kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no
distinctions among military and civilians, including women and
children."
Some people have been voicing the opinion that the ratio of
terrorist/Islamist to peace-loving amicable Muslim is not nearly as
small as President Bush suggested in that speech. Some go so far as to
say that there is no such thing as a "peaceful Muslim".
I think the truth is somewhere in between. Not every Muslim is an enemy.
But it's not completely limited to "a fringe movement" and I sure
wouldn't say these teachings have been rejected by a "vast majority" of
Muslim clerics.
Give Arab-Americans and American Muslims the benefit of the doubt -
after all, they're the ones who chose to come here, not stay over there.
--
Dave Zero - dave...@mindspring.com jesusofth...@hotmail.com
"And I don't care about making an ass of myself because most
people already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
The Encyclopedia Tetrica: http://tetrica.com/tiz/
Ninure Saunders
<jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
- --
-On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 13:33:20 -0400, Julian D.
-<ju...@ersatz.com> wrote:
-> Attacking and killing evil American-hating muslims is lawful.
-
-Actually it is not lawful to kill people just for hating you.
-They have to credibly threaten you before you can kill them.
-
-We have, however, an ample supply of muslims who have credibly
-threatened to kill us, and are unlikely to run short.
So basically you agree with:
"This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
Yep, I think this is now the true face of Ameriican conservatives.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://www.geocities.com/ninure
The world's second most subversive document
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-
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http://www.ufmcc.com
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
coyotes rand mair fheal
> But it's not completely limited to "a fringe movement" and I sure
> wouldn't say these teachings have been rejected by a "vast majority" of
> Muslim clerics.
how many usa moslem soldiers
do you count as enemies?
Jim Kennemur
John is just another "Kill em' in Jesus' Name" nutcase.
Jim
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"coyotes rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I don't think he gets it.
Those Moslems came to America to be left alone, just like the rest of our
ancestors.
John
Dave Zero
None, unless they've got some secret agenda I don't know about.
Dave Zero
I get it just fine, stink nugget.
The final paragraph of my post:
"Give Arab-Americans and American Muslims the benefit of the doubt -
after all, they're the ones who chose to come here, not stay over
there."
So fuck off. Go find some real enemies to fight instead of trying to
make me into one.
Joe Smith
this has been going on since Bible times when David defeated the philistines
coyotes rand mair fheal
crazylegs...@yahoo.com (Joe Smith) wrote:
islam postdates christianity
which postdate the construction of the second temple
which postdates the construction of the first temple
which postdates david
coyotes rand mair fheal
<jesusofth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> coyotes rand mair fheal <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I think the truth is somewhere in between. Not every Muslim is an
> >> enemy. But it's not completely limited to "a fringe movement" and I
> >> sure wouldn't say these teachings have been rejected by a "vast
> >> majority" of Muslim clerics.
> >
> > how many usa moslem soldiers
> > do you count as enemies?
>
> None, unless they've got some secret agenda I don't know about.
praps persons should exercise some care
on what mslems as a class want or do
Rich Travsky
Not a peaceful religion? Remember that the next a christian terrorist
kills an abortion doctor.
> >> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
> >> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
> >>
> >> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
> >
> >Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
>
> lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
> I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
> September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
> they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
> thing. NOT a bad thing.
Dodging, eh? I asked if YOU would go out killing muslims. YOU.
> >> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
> >> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
> >
> >Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
> >sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
>
> Staying civilized and not acting violent when your religion requires
> you to kill Christians and Jews is to be commended. bin Laden would
> probably have had them killed for not following the true tenets of
> islam.
> > "I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
> >
> >> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
> >> watched by our government.
> >
> >But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
> >death decree???
>
> See above. btw, we'll see how well Iraq's neighbors, those other
> 'peaceful' muslims who arent terrorists, become when the shooting
> starts. They will count towards my goal of 300,000 as well.
See above WHAT? Still can't get your story straight I see!
> >You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
> >"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
>
> Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
> children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
> of the palestinians.
> http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
Admitting you contradict yourself, eh? That's progress.
> >Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
>
> We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
> you don't want to lump me in with them.
What weasel means is what you're doing. Another dodge on your part.
I repeat: Care to get your story straight this time, weasel?
> >> I'll just watch my President send OUR military to kill anti-American,
> >> terrorism-prone muslims. Hussein's army is over 300,000. I figure a
> >> portion of those, some more down the road should take care of it.
> >> It IS possible.
> >
> >It's certain you're a bigot and a hypocrite.
> >
> >> >Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
> >> >
> >> >RT
> >>
> >> Just so we get the record straight, I'll reiterate my position. While
> >> I've never harbored any ill-will or intolerance towards any religion,
> >> make no mistake, I am NOW. Not ONCE did any dominant mainstream
> >> Islamic leader come to the forefront and condemn the attacks on
> >> September 11, 2001. Not ONCE did any come forward and decry the
> >> bombings except like this:
> >>
> >> "I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
> >> they did it."
> >
> >So, you have a poll of EVERY muslim in the world???
> >
> It has to be true, it must be true. Otherwise the major leaders of
> Islam would have proclaimed what the muslim hijackers did was wrong
> and in violation of the Koran. With no, 'but I can understand why
> they did it', at the end of their statements.
> Are you going to tell us that most muslims are going to ignore the
> laws of their pedophile Prophet? That most of them do not consider
> bin Laden a hero? Are you that naive?
So what is Falwell when he said it's our fault? heh heh
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> >>
> >> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
> >> acts of violence.
> >>
> >> American lives are not taken cheaply.
> >
> >So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
>
> That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
> uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
> nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
> not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
> in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
Taken a look at the old testament???
"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good
. . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are
called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time.
We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue
The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
Oh, and how about that nice quote Ninure bitch slapped you with:
"This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
Christianity embraced by racists! (They're just like bigots, you know.)
> >Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
>
> No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
> world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
> to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
> off the violent urges their religion demands.
Gutter religion, eh?
God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. - Bailey Smith, former
president, Siuthern Baptist Convention
"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims!" -- Henry Jordan, South
Carolina board of education
What kind of religion says something like that, bigot?
> I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
> dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
> or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
> might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
> having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
The end result is you're a lousy bigot.
RT
Rich Travsky
Irrelevant. They're still Americans and have the same rights as you.
Get used to it. Otherwise you're no better than a real terrorist.
> perverted version of it. The silence is deafening. I, as you well
> know, would love for them to stand at the street corners, stand in the
> middle of NYC, stand out in public and tell their fellow Americans how
> they really feel. Exercise that freedom of speech! Especially the
Freedom of speech also includes the right to not say anything.
> more savage of them when they shout out that they want to kill their
> fellow Americans.
> I'd volunteer to drive the friggin police van to come pick them up.
Pick them up for WHAT?
And I asked you before: you gonna volunteer to kill muslims? Got the guts
for it big boy?
> If only they'd have the BALLS to say in public what they hear in their
> mosques. btw...you HAVE heard the reports of a typical sermon at
> their mosques, haven't you?
> You'd think the Taliban head-pooba was running it.
No, only YOU'D think that.
> >Let's see: muslim Americans are still Americans, so if you want them dead,
> >that makes you --- what?
> >
> >RT
> Very wary and watchful. Never know when one wants to take a stroll
> thru Times Square on new years eve and go boom.
So, you want to kill Americans eh? We'll all have to be wary of YOU
on the street.
> One other thing Travesty. Thanks for the threads with my name in
> them. I like the advertising and the opportunity for as many people
> here to read my fantastic, wise, wonderful thoughts.
> YOU, my friend, are what makes usenet work! Be proud.
You enjoy being a bigot? Must be the gutter religion you subscribe to.
Not only is Mormonism not Christian it is anti-Christian. - John Ankerberg
You should get together with bigot CB. He likes to call people "nigger".
RT
Julian D.
<REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
And how many has that been? And just how Christian were they being?
I have a question for you Travesty. This alert...now 'orange'. Who
do you suppose our intelligence services thinks is going to attack us?
Someone out of country? Or already here? A muslim already here?
>> >> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
>> >> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
>> >>
>> >> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
>> >
>> >Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
>>
>> lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
>> I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
>> September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
>> they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
>> thing. NOT a bad thing.
>
>Dodging, eh? I asked if YOU would go out killing muslims. YOU.
No, of course not. Why? I'll just support the people that are trained
to serve and protect our country. Our military. They'll kill the
required 300,000.
>> >> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
>> >> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
>> >
>> >Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
>> >sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
>>
>> Staying civilized and not acting violent when your religion requires
>> you to kill Christians and Jews is to be commended. bin Laden would
>> probably have had them killed for not following the true tenets of
>> islam.
>
>
>
>> > "I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
>> >
>> >> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
>> >> watched by our government.
>> >
>> >But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
>> >death decree???
>>
>> See above. btw, we'll see how well Iraq's neighbors, those other
>> 'peaceful' muslims who arent terrorists, become when the shooting
>> starts. They will count towards my goal of 300,000 as well.
>
>See above WHAT? Still can't get your story straight I see!
Lord, hear my plea...bring some intelligence and wisdom to this
foolish liberal. Give him the knowledge to know his place and
recognize his betters.
Amen.
Now..back to you Richie. ' Staying civilized and not acting violent
when your religion requires you to kill Christians and Jews is to be
commended.' That means those who resist their natural tendency to kill
non-muslims are being peaceful. See? Those are on parole. We must be
ever vigilant towards them.
>> >You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
>> >"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
>>
>> Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
>> children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
>> of the palestinians.
>> http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
>
>Admitting you contradict yourself, eh? That's progress.
Realizing that you cannot 'get it', leaves me NO alternative than for
me to speak as one would to a kindergartner.
And I'm truly sorry it has to be that way.
Muslims who condone the killing of Americans and openly express
it=Bad, and in need of a bombing.
Muslims who are forced by civilized convention and laws to refrain
from killing Americans=Suspect. Eternal vigilance required.
>> >Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
>>
>> We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
>> you don't want to lump me in with them.
>
>What weasel means is what you're doing. Another dodge on your part.
You just don't like the answers. On this day, they're more pertinent
than ever before.
>I repeat: Care to get your story straight this time, weasel?
Care to use that hairy ball on your shoulders?
>> >> I'll just watch my President send OUR military to kill anti-American,
>> >> terrorism-prone muslims. Hussein's army is over 300,000. I figure a
>> >> portion of those, some more down the road should take care of it.
>> >> It IS possible.
>> >
>> >It's certain you're a bigot and a hypocrite.
>> >
>> >> >Come on tough guy, tell us what you're gonna do...
>> >> >
>> >> >RT
>> >>
>> >> Just so we get the record straight, I'll reiterate my position. While
>> >> I've never harbored any ill-will or intolerance towards any religion,
>> >> make no mistake, I am NOW. Not ONCE did any dominant mainstream
>> >> Islamic leader come to the forefront and condemn the attacks on
>> >> September 11, 2001. Not ONCE did any come forward and decry the
>> >> bombings except like this:
>> >>
>> >> "I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why
>> >> they did it."
>> >
>> >So, you have a poll of EVERY muslim in the world???
>> >
>> It has to be true, it must be true. Otherwise the major leaders of
>> Islam would have proclaimed what the muslim hijackers did was wrong
>> and in violation of the Koran. With no, 'but I can understand why
>> they did it', at the end of their statements.
>> Are you going to tell us that most muslims are going to ignore the
>> laws of their pedophile Prophet? That most of them do not consider
>> bin Laden a hero? Are you that naive?
>
>So what is Falwell when he said it's our fault? heh heh
A doofus?
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>> >>
>> >> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
>> >> acts of violence.
>> >>
>> >> American lives are not taken cheaply.
>> >
>> >So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
>>
>> That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
>> uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
>> nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
>> not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
>> in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
>
>Taken a look at the old testament???
I don't believe much of the old testament. Is any brutalism mandated
by the old testament still going on today?
>"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good
> . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are
>called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time.
>We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue
> The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
This is a Christian nation. No need to conquer this country.
Iraq tho..that's another matter:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them
to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing
only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we
killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
Ann Coulter
>Oh, and how about that nice quote Ninure bitch slapped you with:
>
> "This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
> became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
> used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
> hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
>
> www.kkk.com
I'm not sure why you would think I'd care for anything the klan would
believe. Oh..you must be trying the old tired liberal debating method
of lumping Conservatives in with Hitler and the klan. You do realize
that it's a failed method. And an embarrassment for you to try. It's
so much a cliche that smarter 'debaters' than you do not use it.
Don't forget Godwin.
>Christianity embraced by racists! (They're just like bigots, you know.)
Is this what this is all about Richie? You're anti-Christian? That
smacks of bigotry, wouldn't ya think?
No true Christian can be a racist.
I just despise those whose religion demands they kill Jews and
Christians. Especially Americans.
>> >Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
>>
>> No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
>> world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
>> to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
>> off the violent urges their religion demands.
>
>Gutter religion, eh?
Yes. After witnessing how they treat their own people, how they treat
their women, the extremes and violence inherit in them, well defined a
year ago today..yes. Gutter religion.
>God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. - Bailey Smith, former
> president, Siuthern Baptist Convention
And? You have no point there, do you?
>"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims!" -- Henry Jordan, South
>Carolina board of education
Unless Buddhism dictates that Christians and Jews must die and must be
demonstrated as often as possible, I have no problem whatsoever with
that or any religion. Islam is the dangerous dirt religion.
>What kind of religion says something like that, bigot?
'Screw the Buddhists'? Was there any call to kill them? It's rude,
but we don't quite know the context of why he picked them out.
>> I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
>> dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
>> or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
>> might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
>> having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
>
>The end result is you're a lousy bigot.
Not lousy. Encouraged, delighted, and deliciously thrilled that those
who want us dead might die soon. You must wait until Bush gets a
foothold in Iraq. Nice jumping off point towards Iraq's 'peaceful'
neighbors.
>RT
Rich Travsky
How muslim do you think those terrorists are???
> I have a question for you Travesty. This alert...now 'orange'. Who
> do you suppose our intelligence services thinks is going to attack us?
> Someone out of country? Or already here? A muslim already here?
Someone who might not vote for Duhbya - gotta keep those polls up!
> >> >> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
> >> >> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
> >> >>
> >> >> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
> >> >
> >> >Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
> >>
> >> lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
> >> I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
> >> September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
> >> they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
> >> thing. NOT a bad thing.
> >
> >Dodging, eh? I asked if YOU would go out killing muslims. YOU.
>
> No, of course not. Why? I'll just support the people that are trained
> to serve and protect our country. Our military. They'll kill the
> required 300,000.
"of course not" - hahahhaa! "Why" - WHY? Well, Julia, doesn't terrorism
put the front lines EVERYWHERE? Hmmm?
> >> >> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
> >> >> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
> >> >
> >> >Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
> >> >sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
> >>
> >> Staying civilized and not acting violent when your religion requires
> >> you to kill Christians and Jews is to be commended. bin Laden would
> >> probably have had them killed for not following the true tenets of
> >> islam.
> >
> >
> >
> >> > "I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
> >> >
> >> >> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
> >> >> watched by our government.
> >> >
> >> >But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
> >> >death decree???
> >>
> >> See above. btw, we'll see how well Iraq's neighbors, those other
> >> 'peaceful' muslims who arent terrorists, become when the shooting
> >> starts. They will count towards my goal of 300,000 as well.
> >
> >See above WHAT? Still can't get your story straight I see!
>
> Lord, hear my plea...bring some intelligence and wisdom to this
> foolish liberal. Give him the knowledge to know his place and
> recognize his betters.
> Amen.
Dear Julia's Parents - how you must grieve to have brought up such
an ignorant and bigoted child. Grant him forgiveness til he sees the
error of his ways. Oh and PS - restrict his time on the computer.
> Now..back to you Richie. ' Staying civilized and not acting violent
> when your religion requires you to kill Christians and Jews is to be
> commended.' That means those who resist their natural tendency to kill
> non-muslims are being peaceful. See? Those are on parole. We must be
> ever vigilant towards them.
Now back to you Julia. How you dodge. Before you made NO distinction other
than they had only to be muslim to warrant your death sentence. NOW, you
back track, having had attention drawn to your bigotry. Tsk.
> >> >You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
> >> >"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
> >>
> >> Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
> >> children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
> >> of the palestinians.
> >> http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
> >
> >Admitting you contradict yourself, eh? That's progress.
>
> Realizing that you cannot 'get it', leaves me NO alternative than for
> me to speak as one would to a kindergartner.
> And I'm truly sorry it has to be that way.
> Muslims who condone the killing of Americans and openly express
> it=Bad, and in need of a bombing.
> Muslims who are forced by civilized convention and laws to refrain
> from killing Americans=Suspect. Eternal vigilance required.
Christians like you who call for killing muslims simply because they
are muslims = BAD and BIGOTED.
Sorry I had to treat you like a nursey schooler, but that's the only
way to reach bigots like you.
> >> >Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
> >>
> >> We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
> >> you don't want to lump me in with them.
> >
> >What weasel means is what you're doing. Another dodge on your part.
>
> You just don't like the answers. On this day, they're more pertinent
> than ever before.
Still dodging I see.
> >I repeat: Care to get your story straight this time, weasel?
>
> Care to use that hairy ball on your shoulders?
Can't get your story straight eh? Didn't think so.
No, A CHRISTIAN bigot. Kinda like yourself.
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> >> >>
> >> >> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
> >> >> acts of violence.
> >> >>
> >> >> American lives are not taken cheaply.
> >> >
> >> >So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
> >>
> >> That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
> >> uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
> >> nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
> >> not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
> >> in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
> >
> >Taken a look at the old testament???
>
> I don't believe much of the old testament. Is any brutalism mandated
> by the old testament still going on today?
Too bad. You don't get to pick and choose what parts of the bible you do
or don't like. Otherwise, you have to grant the same right to muslims.
(gotcha again)
> >"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good
> > . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are
> >called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time.
> >We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue
> > The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
>
> This is a Christian nation. No need to conquer this country.
" As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against
the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared
... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a
Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
-- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate
-- and signed into law by John Adams
> Iraq tho..that's another matter:
So, christians=hate. Thanks for clearing that up.
> "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them
> to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing
> only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we
> killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
> Ann Coulter
More bigotry of the worst kind.
> >Oh, and how about that nice quote Ninure bitch slapped you with:
> >
> > "This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
> > became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
> > used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
> > hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
> >
> > www.kkk.com
>
> I'm not sure why you would think I'd care for anything the klan would
> believe. Oh..you must be trying the old tired liberal debating method
> of lumping Conservatives in with Hitler and the klan. You do realize
> that it's a failed method. And an embarrassment for you to try. It's
> so much a cliche that smarter 'debaters' than you do not use it.
> Don't forget Godwin.
The klan uses christianity to justify their actions. They use the same
bible you're using. How do they manage that, eh? It's the same book
after all. What are they finding in there? Quit trying to hide
behind the "Hitler" argument.
> >Christianity embraced by racists! (They're just like bigots, you know.)
>
> Is this what this is all about Richie? You're anti-Christian? That
> smacks of bigotry, wouldn't ya think?
Can't tell us why racists use christianity to justify themselves, eh?
"The Christian god can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many
ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed
monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this
raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber
of the people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools
and hypocrites."
[Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to his nephew, Peter Carr]
> No true Christian can be a racist.
> I just despise those whose religion demands they kill Jews and
> Christians. Especially Americans.
Oh now Julia defines what a true christian is! Glory Be! Christianity
> >> >Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
> >>
> >> No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
> >> world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
> >> to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
> >> off the violent urges their religion demands.
> >
> >Gutter religion, eh?
>
> Yes. After witnessing how they treat their own people, how they treat
> their women, the extremes and violence inherit in them, well defined a
> year ago today..yes. Gutter religion.
Sounds just like the kind of reasoning christians used against women
and blacks. You were saying?
> >God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. - Bailey Smith, former
> > president, Siuthern Baptist Convention
>
> And? You have no point there, do you?
Just examples of christian bigotry - kinda like you.
> >"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims!" -- Henry Jordan, South
> >Carolina board of education
>
> Unless Buddhism dictates that Christians and Jews must die and must be
> demonstrated as often as possible, I have no problem whatsoever with
> that or any religion. Islam is the dangerous dirt religion.
Christians call for killing doctors who do abortions. Christianity has been
used to justify oppressing and killing blacks and jews. Tell us about
"dirt", eh?
> >What kind of religion says something like that, bigot?
>
> 'Screw the Buddhists'? Was there any call to kill them? It's rude,
> but we don't quite know the context of why he picked them out.
What difference does it make whether he called for killing them? It's
a BIGOTED, not a RUDE, remark. The kind a gutter religion might make.
Can't help but noticed you dodged (again) the part where Jordan called
for killing muslims...once again, all they have to be is a muslim, he
and you want to kill them.
> >> I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
> >> dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
> >> or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
> >> might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
> >> having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
> >
> >The end result is you're a lousy bigot.
>
> Not lousy. Encouraged, delighted, and deliciously thrilled that those
> who want us dead might die soon. You must wait until Bush gets a
> foothold in Iraq. Nice jumping off point towards Iraq's 'peaceful'
> neighbors.
Not a "lousy bigot", just a bigot!
RT
Julian D.
<REtr...@hotmail.comMOVE> wrote:
Here comes Rich again to defend the terrorists.
You see, he needs more than a few days to think his not-so-bright
answers up.
>> And how many has that been? And just how Christian were they being?
>
>How muslim do you think those terrorists are???
100% true.
>
>> I have a question for you Travesty. This alert...now 'orange'. Who
>> do you suppose our intelligence services thinks is going to attack us?
>> Someone out of country? Or already here? A muslim already here?
>
>Someone who might not vote for Duhbya - gotta keep those polls up!
No..someone who definitely not vote for Bush.
You that sure you wanted to post this today? Especially after the FBI
arrested members of a terrorist muslim cell in Buffalo, NY?
>> >> >> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
>> >> >> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
>> >> >
>> >> >Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
>> >>
>> >> lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
>> >> I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
>> >> September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
>> >> they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
>> >> thing. NOT a bad thing.
>> >
>> >Dodging, eh? I asked if YOU would go out killing muslims. YOU.
>>
>> No, of course not. Why? I'll just support the people that are trained
>> to serve and protect our country. Our military. They'll kill the
>> required 300,000.
>
>"of course not" - hahahhaa! "Why" - WHY? Well, Julia, doesn't terrorism
>put the front lines EVERYWHERE? Hmmm?
You'd asked if I would go out and kill muslims. If I had a crystal
ball and learned the identities of the hijackers before 9-11, perhaps
I would try. The military now will do what it's been trained to do.
Protect the country and kill those that need killing. That's when my
300,000 Dead-Muslim countdown thread starts in this newsgroup.
>> >> >> ghastly. While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
>> >> >> ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
>> >> >
>> >> >Why should a lack of action matter to you, bigot? Above you say it's
>> >> >sufficient fro them to merely condone it:
>> >>
>> >> Staying civilized and not acting violent when your religion requires
>> >> you to kill Christians and Jews is to be commended. bin Laden would
>> >> probably have had them killed for not following the true tenets of
>> >> islam.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > "I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks"
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'm more than sure that most muslim groups, mosques, are being closely
>> >> >> watched by our government.
>> >> >
>> >> >But you say Islam is NOT peaceful. Why should ANY muslim be exempt from your
>> >> >death decree???
>> >>
>> >> See above. btw, we'll see how well Iraq's neighbors, those other
>> >> 'peaceful' muslims who arent terrorists, become when the shooting
>> >> starts. They will count towards my goal of 300,000 as well.
>> >
>> >See above WHAT? Still can't get your story straight I see!
>>
>> Lord, hear my plea...bring some intelligence and wisdom to this
>> foolish liberal. Give him the knowledge to know his place and
>> recognize his betters.
>> Amen.
>
>Dear Julia's Parents - how you must grieve to have brought up such
>an ignorant and bigoted child. Grant him forgiveness til he sees the
>error of his ways. Oh and PS - restrict his time on the computer.
heh. You're in the minority Travesty. Your goal is to appease the
enemy, give every muslim the benefit of the doubt. Nope. Not going to
happen. Especially with what they teach and preach about in mosques
in the US. When 99% of the terrorist acts in the last decade are made
up of swarthy muslim men, you look at swarthy muslim men, not the
Amish. That's not bigotry, that's common-sense.
>> Now..back to you Richie. ' Staying civilized and not acting violent
>> when your religion requires you to kill Christians and Jews is to be
>> commended.' That means those who resist their natural tendency to kill
>> non-muslims are being peaceful. See? Those are on parole. We must be
>> ever vigilant towards them.
>
>Now back to you Julia. How you dodge. Before you made NO distinction other
>than they had only to be muslim to warrant your death sentence. NOW, you
>back track, having had attention drawn to your bigotry. Tsk.
You insist on making the mistake that I care about what your
definition of bigotry is. I am most certainly a bigot. With damn
good reason. I don't trust ANY muslims. Because their religion
demands the deaths of Jews and Christians. Their leaders teaching
them that in every mosque all around the world confirms it.
>> >> >You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
>> >> >"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
>> >> children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
>> >> of the palestinians.
>> >> http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
>> >
>> >Admitting you contradict yourself, eh? That's progress.
>>
>> Realizing that you cannot 'get it', leaves me NO alternative than for
>> me to speak as one would to a kindergartner.
>> And I'm truly sorry it has to be that way.
>> Muslims who condone the killing of Americans and openly express
>> it=Bad, and in need of a bombing.
>> Muslims who are forced by civilized convention and laws to refrain
>> from killing Americans=Suspect. Eternal vigilance required.
>
>Christians like you who call for killing muslims simply because they
>are muslims = BAD and BIGOTED.
Nope, if they behave and ignore one of the basic tenets of their
religion about having to kill Jews or Christians, they can live. They
act on it, Bush smacks them down. Hopefully soon. Will that day ever
come? I can't wait. I have the popcorn ready, vcr tape setup.
>Sorry I had to treat you like a nursey schooler, but that's the only
>way to reach bigots like you.
nursery schoolers are bigots?
Anyway, to get back to the real world, ..
>> >> >Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
>> >>
>> >> We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
>> >> you don't want to lump me in with them.
>> >
>> >What weasel means is what you're doing. Another dodge on your part.
>>
>> You just don't like the answers. On this day, they're more pertinent
>> than ever before.
>
>Still dodging I see.
You must understand, for me, it's like explaining statistics to a
Special Olympian. YOU have to do your best to understand. I can't do
it all for you.
>> >I repeat: Care to get your story straight this time, weasel?
>>
>> Care to use that hairy ball on your shoulders?
>
>Can't get your story straight eh? Didn't think so.
Mine's straight as an arrow. I'm a fervent disciple of consistency.
Godwin says relax. But that's ok. Get it out of your system. You
like punishment.
>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/09/08/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=238348
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
>> >> >> acts of violence.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> American lives are not taken cheaply.
>> >> >
>> >> >So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
>> >>
>> >> That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
>> >> uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
>> >> nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
>> >> not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
>> >> in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
>> >
>> >Taken a look at the old testament???
>>
>> I don't believe much of the old testament. Is any brutalism mandated
>> by the old testament still going on today?
>
>Too bad. You don't get to pick and choose what parts of the bible you do
>or don't like. Otherwise, you have to grant the same right to muslims.
Those not worshipping their pedophile prophet, mohammed, by doing as
he demanded and killing Christians and Jews are picking and choosing
what they want to follow in their precious koran. bin Laden would
have their heads for it. Literally.
Next you'll tell me that the neighbors of those arrested in Buffalo
were not in the least sympathetic to bin laden as the cell was.
>(gotcha again)
The only thing you're getting is sensible answers you don't want to
hear. And will continue to hear. You're one of those masochists,
arent ya?
(Hey..btw, you must understand I'm not too interested in hearing your
thoughts and opinions. I just like having the opportunity to post
mine. So, thanks.)
>> >"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good
>> > . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are
>> >called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time.
>> >We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue
>> > The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
>>
>> This is a Christian nation. No need to conquer this country.
>
>" As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
>the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against
>the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared
>... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an
>interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
> "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a
>Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
>
> -- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate
> -- and signed into law by John Adams
'Islam is a peaceful religion'
George W. Bush
Same idea. Being a leader, one cannot scold a segment of the
population, opening them up to harassment or even worse.
Now YOU tell me if you think Bush really believes that.
This is an intelligence test for you Travesty.
>> Iraq tho..that's another matter:
>
>So, christians=hate. Thanks for clearing that up.
No, Americans hate those that wish to kill us.
And would necessarily want to pre-empt it by invading and killing
those dogs before they get a chance to hurt or kill us. Again.
>> "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them
>> to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing
>> only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we
>> killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
>> Ann Coulter
>
>More bigotry of the worst kind.
Gonna call your mommy? Grow up. Face the fact that every culture
does NOT equally have the same worth. That some ARE bad and deserve
to be conquered.
>> >Oh, and how about that nice quote Ninure bitch slapped you with:
>> >
>> > "This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
>> > became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
>> > used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
>> > hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
>> >
>> > www.kkk.com
>>
>> I'm not sure why you would think I'd care for anything the klan would
>> believe. Oh..you must be trying the old tired liberal debating method
>> of lumping Conservatives in with Hitler and the klan. You do realize
>> that it's a failed method. And an embarrassment for you to try. It's
>> so much a cliche that smarter 'debaters' than you do not use it.
>> Don't forget Godwin.
>
>The klan uses christianity to justify their actions. They use the same
>bible you're using. How do they manage that, eh? It's the same book
>after all. What are they finding in there? Quit trying to hide
>behind the "Hitler" argument.
As the klan perverts the bible for their own use, muslims do not do
the same for their koran. They might not follow it exactly, which was
punished quite severely by the taliban and bin laden, but they live in
guilt, knowing they're not following it as they should. That's why
mosques teach the hatred they do in Mosques everywhere..even in the
US.
I'm ignoring Godwin as well. I'm being benevolent in trying to teach
you some things. Be patient. You're a hard-head and it takes time to
get through.
>> >Christianity embraced by racists! (They're just like bigots, you know.)
>>
>> Is this what this is all about Richie? You're anti-Christian? That
>> smacks of bigotry, wouldn't ya think?
>
>Can't tell us why racists use christianity to justify themselves, eh?
Perhaps because Christianity and judaism are the most popular
religions in the US? And they certainly wouldn't want to follow
anything jewish, so they latch onto and pervert Christianity.
>"The Christian god can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many
>ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed
>monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this
>raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber
>of the people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools
>and hypocrites."
>[Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to his nephew, Peter Carr]
>
>> No true Christian can be a racist.
>> I just despise those whose religion demands they kill Jews and
>> Christians. Especially Americans.
>
>Oh now Julia defines what a true christian is! Glory Be! Christianity
So..in your opinion Richy, can a true christian be a racist?
I'd thought the answer would be a common-sense 'no'..
But you're a Christian-hater, so your mind is sort of screwed up a
bit.
And it's 'Julian'.
No need to name-call Travesty.
>> >> >Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
>> >>
>> >> No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
>> >> world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
>> >> to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
>> >> off the violent urges their religion demands.
>> >
>> >Gutter religion, eh?
>>
>> Yes. After witnessing how they treat their own people, how they treat
>> their women, the extremes and violence inherit in them, well defined a
>> year ago today..yes. Gutter religion.
>
>Sounds just like the kind of reasoning christians used against women
>and blacks. You were saying?
Don't start sounding extremely stupid now. You were doing ok. Just
sounding regularly stupid as always. That I expect from you and it
makes me sad, but like I said, I'm being benevolent in granting you my
wisdom.
There's no comparison as to how the taliban or Sadaam treat their
people today to the way blacks and women were treated in this country
in the past.
>> >God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. - Bailey Smith, former
>> > president, Siuthern Baptist Convention
>>
>> And? You have no point there, do you?
>
>Just examples of christian bigotry - kinda like you.
One day, you must ask me about my opinions about the jewish faith.
I'll leave you this teaser. For one to truly believe in their
religion, all others must be deemed false and wrong.
That'll be another thread one day.
>> >"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims!" -- Henry Jordan, South
>> >Carolina board of education
>>
>> Unless Buddhism dictates that Christians and Jews must die and must be
>> demonstrated as often as possible, I have no problem whatsoever with
>> that or any religion. Islam is the dangerous dirt religion.
>
>Christians call for killing doctors who do abortions. Christianity has been
>used to justify oppressing and killing blacks and jews. Tell us about
>"dirt", eh?
Sorry, but murder is wrong. Those 'christians' who misconstrue the
teachings in the bible to murder are not christian. Mind you, I'd not
cry about an abortion doctor getting killed, but I'd certainly not
condone it.
We're talking about Muslims. If they DON'T want Christians and Jews
and other assorted infidels dead, then THEY are perverting the koran
and NOT obeying the pedophile prophet's laws.
>> >What kind of religion says something like that, bigot?
>>
>> 'Screw the Buddhists'? Was there any call to kill them? It's rude,
>> but we don't quite know the context of why he picked them out.
>
>What difference does it make whether he called for killing them? It's
>a BIGOTED, not a RUDE, remark. The kind a gutter religion might make.
Where was the call to kill them? Screw the Buddhists is hardly a call
for their death. I hear 'screw you jules' at least once a week.
Kiddingly I hope. Being the lovable, wonderful person I am, I'm sure
it's kidding.
>Can't help but noticed you dodged (again) the part where Jordan called
>for killing muslims...once again, all they have to be is a muslim, he
>and you want to kill them.
>
Geez Travesty. Alzheimers? My wanting muslims dead is a settled
issue. It's in their nature and religion to kill us through
terrorism.
>> >> I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
>> >> dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
>> >> or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
>> >> might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
>> >> having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
>> >
>> >The end result is you're a lousy bigot.
>>
>> Not lousy. Encouraged, delighted, and deliciously thrilled that those
>> who want us dead might die soon. You must wait until Bush gets a
>> foothold in Iraq. Nice jumping off point towards Iraq's 'peaceful'
>> neighbors.
>
>Not a "lousy bigot", just a bigot!
>
>RT
And around we go...if wanting American-hating, Jew and
Christian-killing muslims dead makes me a bigot, then I'm a very,
very, VERY proud bigot. That was NEVER in contention. We both agree
with it. Stop making up stuff to argue about. There's enough
already.
StevenM135
>
>The terror will end when we either convert to Islam, or the Islamists are
>dead.
We do. Are those you dismiss as "Islamists" simply going to sit on their hands
as we kill them?
StevenM135
>on September 11, 2001.
>
I see. How will you know if a Muslim condone's what happened? Will you jusyt
kill the because they are Muslim? Doesn't that make you like them?
>300,000 dead muslims. 100 for every American killed September 11,
>2001.
Racist fool. Many americans ARE muslim.
>American lives are not taken cheaply. Ever.
>Islam must be taught a lesson.
It is clear that by "American" lives you mean "white christan lives.
Tell me are you calling for the deaths of little "Timmie's" buds?
>Bush will help.
Will he use the funds his folks made off Jewish slave labor in Germany up till
1943??
StevenM135
>> > Islam must be taught a lesson.
>> >
>>
>> Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
>
It must be hard for one to converse when you understand so little.
StevenM135
>
>Interest
So..you condone killing those who had nothing to do with it?
>>Religious bigot. You just became what you hate.
>
>
>I certainly am a religious bigot when it concerns islam. And damn
>proud of it.
Doen't that put you on the same level as bin laden?
>There must be an accounting. The Crusade begins soon I hope.
Read your history, last Crusade lost by Europeans.
StevenM135
>You see, he needs more than a few days to think his not-so-bright
>answers up.
Who is defending terrorisst?
>No..someone who definitely not vote for Bush.
>You that sure you wanted to post this today? Especially after the FBI
>arrested members of a terrorist muslim cell in Buffalo, NY?
Sounds kind of like they are convicted simply because they are arressted.
Sounds like McCarty is back.
>You'd asked if I would go out and kill muslims. If I had a crystal
>ball and learned the identities of the hijackers before 9-11, perhaps
>I would try. The military now will do what it's been trained to do.
>Protect the country and kill those that need killing.
Like folks at Weddings?
>heh. You're in the minority Travesty. Your goal is to appease the
>enemy, give every muslim the benefit of the doubt. Nope. Not going to
>happen. Especially with what they teach and preach about in mosques
>in the US.
Don't the have "freedom " to do that?
>When 99% of the terrorist acts in the last decade are made
>up of swarthy muslim men, you look at swarthy muslim men, not the
>Amish. That's not bigotry, that's common-sense
Evidence?
Tim and Terry aren't swarthy. James Byrds killers aren't swarthy. Clinic
Bombbers aren't swarthy. Rudolph...not swarthy. Your math SUCKS! White
Supremacist soldiers who shot blacks....
>ou insist on making the mistake that I care about what your
>definition of bigotry is. I am most certainly a bigot. With damn
>good reason. I don't trust ANY muslims.
Thank you American Osama.
>Because their religion
>demands the deaths of Jews and Christians. Their leaders teaching
>them that in every mosque all around the world confirms it.
Read some history. Slavery and Geocide are justified in AMERICA because Blacks
and indians were heathens.
>Nope, if they behave and ignore one of the basic tenets of their
>religion about having to kill Jews or Christians, they can live.
But you have just said that you are a bigot, and just deal with groups.
>They
>act on it, Bush smacks them down. Hopefully soon.
But he is smacking those who didn't do it.
>but that's the only
>>way to reach bigots like you.
>
>nursery schoolers are bigots?
>
>Anyway, to get back to the real world, ..
If you have been rasing them...most likely
.>>Can't get your story straight eh? Didn't think so.
>
>Mine's straight as an arrow. I'm a fervent disciple of consistency.
Really? You claim to both br a bigot and non-bigot at the same time.
Jim Kennemur
"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:7bnaououk7mujuvs3...@4ax.com...
First JD admits that he is a slobbering neo-Nazi and then he quotes
Reich-Furher Ashcroft!
That pretty much sums up the current appointed occupant of the White House.
Jim
Dave Zero
Julian, you've moved into the White House!!!??? Congratulations, dude,
say hi to George and Laura for me!
See, the American Dream isn't dead after all!
Julian D.
wrote:
lol. nice try kkkennemur.
I'm just very 'bigoted' against muslims. Travesty suggested that
because I distrust muslims, that I'm a bigot. So I'm a bigot!
If you even think that makes me ashamed or fearful of retribution,
think again.
There's approximately 5,000 al queda in the United States. 5 or more
arrested near Buffalo, 4,994 more to go. Take into consideration that
it only takes one of them sumbitches to walk into a shopping mall at
Christmas and go boom. If your kind succeeded at stopping Ashcroft in
the search efforts for terrorists here at home, those 5 or more would
never have been arrested.
More arrests to follow.
How many of their neighbors harbor the same affection for al queda and
bin laden? How many would act upon what the koran demands and start
killing unbelievers?
This IS a religious war Jimmy. Make no mistake.
>That pretty much sums up the current appointed occupant of the White House.
Stop the fear-mongering. You're aiding terrorists.
> Jim
>
>
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
"Critics of the war on terrorism don’t seem to understand: someone is trying to kill them."
Julian D.
You dude, get the Lincoln Bedroom. Bring chicks. (plural)
JD
"We need honest, reasoned debate, and not fear-mongering. To those . . .
who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is
this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity
and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and
pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain
silent in the face of evil."
-- John Ashcroft -
Testifying before congress defending military tribunals and upholding the
Constitution of the United States of America
"Critics of the war on terrorism don’t seem to understand: someone is trying to kill them."
Rich Travsky
Pointing out that you ignore christian terrorists is not defending
terrorists.
> >> And how many has that been? And just how Christian were they being?
> >
> >How muslim do you think those terrorists are???
>
> 100% true.
Then those christian terrorists must be 100% true christians...
> >
> >> I have a question for you Travesty. This alert...now 'orange'. Who
> >> do you suppose our intelligence services thinks is going to attack us?
> >> Someone out of country? Or already here? A muslim already here?
> >
> >Someone who might not vote for Duhbya - gotta keep those polls up!
>
> No..someone who definitely not vote for Bush.
> You that sure you wanted to post this today? Especially after the FBI
> arrested members of a terrorist muslim cell in Buffalo, NY?
You sure you want to ignore the polls that show Duhbya benefiting from
war talk???
> >> >> >> >Got the guts to back up your mouth? Gonna go round your neighborhood
> >> >> >> >killing muslims??? How about muslim children? You gonna kill them too?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No. Murdering law-abiding non-terrorist muslim American citizens is
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ah, so you DON'T have the guts to back up your mouth.
> >> >>
> >> >> lol. I don't see why you're having such difficulty with it Travesty.
> >> >> I'd not shed a tear if those palestinians dancing in the streets
> >> >> September 11, 2001 got a few bombs dropped on their heads. To me,
> >> >> they're not innocent. A few more terrorist cheerleaders dead is a good
> >> >> thing. NOT a bad thing.
> >> >
> >> >Dodging, eh? I asked if YOU would go out killing muslims. YOU.
> >>
> >> No, of course not. Why? I'll just support the people that are trained
> >> to serve and protect our country. Our military. They'll kill the
> >> required 300,000.
> >
> >"of course not" - hahahhaa! "Why" - WHY? Well, Julia, doesn't terrorism
> >put the front lines EVERYWHERE? Hmmm?
>
> You'd asked if I would go out and kill muslims. If I had a crystal
> ball and learned the identities of the hijackers before 9-11, perhaps
We're talking about right *now*.
> I would try. The military now will do what it's been trained to do.
> Protect the country and kill those that need killing. That's when my
> 300,000 Dead-Muslim countdown thread starts in this newsgroup.
In other words, Julia talks a good fight. Why is training needed to kill
those muslims? Remember, bigot, your criteria is that they merely condoned
the attacks. That could include people in your town, right? RIGHT?
What, the majority are bigoted like you?
> enemy, give every muslim the benefit of the doubt. Nope. Not going to
> happen. Especially with what they teach and preach about in mosques
> in the US. When 99% of the terrorist acts in the last decade are made
> up of swarthy muslim men, you look at swarthy muslim men, not the
> Amish. That's not bigotry, that's common-sense.
Then why should christians be given the benefit of the doubt, since
christianity is used to justify killing and bigotry???
> >> Now..back to you Richie. ' Staying civilized and not acting violent
> >> when your religion requires you to kill Christians and Jews is to be
> >> commended.' That means those who resist their natural tendency to kill
> >> non-muslims are being peaceful. See? Those are on parole. We must be
> >> ever vigilant towards them.
> >
> >Now back to you Julia. How you dodge. Before you made NO distinction other
> >than they had only to be muslim to warrant your death sentence. NOW, you
> >back track, having had attention drawn to your bigotry. Tsk.
>
> You insist on making the mistake that I care about what your
> definition of bigotry is. I am most certainly a bigot. With damn
Not MY definition, but the established and accepted definition.
> good reason. I don't trust ANY muslims. Because their religion
> demands the deaths of Jews and Christians. Their leaders teaching
> them that in every mosque all around the world confirms it.
The bible teaches that people should be killed for worshipping anything
other than god. Whoops.
> >> >> >You want to kill muslims who "condone the attacks", but above you say if they
> >> >> >"quietly condone" it, they don't have to be killed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, those who condone the attacks by acting out, bringing up their
> >> >> children to become martyrs, those need a real good killing. Like most
> >> >> of the palestinians.
> >> >> http://www.serve.com/lordgovernor/children/
> >> >
> >> >Admitting you contradict yourself, eh? That's progress.
> >>
> >> Realizing that you cannot 'get it', leaves me NO alternative than for
> >> me to speak as one would to a kindergartner.
> >> And I'm truly sorry it has to be that way.
> >> Muslims who condone the killing of Americans and openly express
> >> it=Bad, and in need of a bombing.
> >> Muslims who are forced by civilized convention and laws to refrain
> >> from killing Americans=Suspect. Eternal vigilance required.
> >
> >Christians like you who call for killing muslims simply because they
> >are muslims = BAD and BIGOTED.
>
> Nope, if they behave and ignore one of the basic tenets of their
> religion about having to kill Jews or Christians, they can live. They
> act on it, Bush smacks them down. Hopefully soon. Will that day ever
> come? I can't wait. I have the popcorn ready, vcr tape setup.
You just contradicted yourself again. You called for killing those
who condoned the attacks. Again you weasel out of it.
> >Sorry I had to treat you like a nursey schooler, but that's the only
> >way to reach bigots like you.
>
> nursery schoolers are bigots?
Judging by you...
> Anyway, to get back to the real world, ..
You should try it. Great place.
> >> >> >Care to get your story right this time, weasel?
> >> >>
> >> >> We all know what 'weasel' means in these groups. I'm willing to bet
> >> >> you don't want to lump me in with them.
> >> >
> >> >What weasel means is what you're doing. Another dodge on your part.
> >>
> >> You just don't like the answers. On this day, they're more pertinent
> >> than ever before.
> >
> >Still dodging I see.
>
> You must understand, for me, it's like explaining statistics to a
> Special Olympian. YOU have to do your best to understand. I can't do
> it all for you.
You can't even do it for *yourself*.
> >> >I repeat: Care to get your story straight this time, weasel?
> >>
> >> Care to use that hairy ball on your shoulders?
> >
> >Can't get your story straight eh? Didn't think so.
>
> Mine's straight as an arrow. I'm a fervent disciple of consistency.
HAHHAAHHA! You called for killing 300,000 muslims
I certainly call for mass killings of muslims who condone the attacks
on September 11, 2001.
then hedged
While they might quietly condone bin Laden and his evil
ways, as long as they don't start bombing, they should left alone.
Whoops. Which is it, Julia???
Trying to deflect attention from an association with Falwell, eh?
>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/09/08/nextre08.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/09/08/ixport.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=238348
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Classic and oft repeated condemnations of horrific, but necessary,
> >> >> >> acts of violence.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> American lives are not taken cheaply.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So, is christianity a peaceful religion? Their history doesn't show it.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's the difference, isn't it? Centuries ago we've sloughed off the
> >> >> uncivilized, dangerous misinterpretations of the Bible. These muslim
> >> >> nuts are still following a 14th century style of islam. Your burka
> >> >> not on right? Get a beating in the street. Commit adultery? Get shot
> >> >> in the head in an empty soccer stadium.
> >> >
> >> >Taken a look at the old testament???
> >>
> >> I don't believe much of the old testament. Is any brutalism mandated
> >> by the old testament still going on today?
> >
> >Too bad. You don't get to pick and choose what parts of the bible you do
> >or don't like. Otherwise, you have to grant the same right to muslims.
>
> Those not worshipping their pedophile prophet, mohammed, by doing as
> he demanded and killing Christians and Jews are picking and choosing
> what they want to follow in their precious koran. bin Laden would
> have their heads for it. Literally.
If you're not killing those who work on Sunday, or who curse their
parents, as your precious bible demands, what's going to happen to
you?
> Next you'll tell me that the neighbors of those arrested in Buffalo
> were not in the least sympathetic to bin laden as the cell was.
Next your going to tell us you're not sympathetic with christian
terrorists! Wait, you ARE sympathetic with christian terrorists!
> >(gotcha again)
>
> The only thing you're getting is sensible answers you don't want to
> hear. And will continue to hear. You're one of those masochists,
> arent ya?
Considering you're the one having to defend their bigotry, I'd say
you're using a different definition of masochist than that used by
the rest of the world!
> (Hey..btw, you must understand I'm not too interested in hearing your
> thoughts and opinions. I just like having the opportunity to post
> mine. So, thanks.)
You must understand I'm only interested in exposing bigots like you. You
show con-servatism for what it truly is. So, thanks!
> >> >"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good
> >> > . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are
> >> >called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time.
> >> >We don't want pluralism." -- Randall Terry, head of Operation Rescue
> >> > The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93
> >>
> >> This is a Christian nation. No need to conquer this country.
> >
> >" As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on
> >the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against
> >the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] ... it is declared
> >... that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an
> >interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries....
> > "The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a
> >Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
> >
> > -- Treaty of Tripoli (1797), carried unanimously by the Senate
> > -- and signed into law by John Adams
>
> 'Islam is a peaceful religion'
> George W. Bush
> Same idea. Being a leader, one cannot scold a segment of the
> population, opening them up to harassment or even worse.
> Now YOU tell me if you think Bush really believes that.
> This is an intelligence test for you Travesty.
No, it's an intelligence test for *you*. You just flunked, too.
> >> Iraq tho..that's another matter:
> >
> >So, christians=hate. Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> No, Americans hate those that wish to kill us.
> And would necessarily want to pre-empt it by invading and killing
> those dogs before they get a chance to hurt or kill us. Again.
I didn't say "Americans"; I said christians. Do pay attention.
> >> "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them
> >> to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing
> >> only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we
> >> killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
> >> Ann Coulter
> >
> >More bigotry of the worst kind.
>
> Gonna call your mommy? Grow up. Face the fact that every culture
> does NOT equally have the same worth. That some ARE bad and deserve
> to be conquered.
Golly, who decides which is bad and which are good? A confessed bigot
like you? HAHAHAHA!
> >> >Oh, and how about that nice quote Ninure bitch slapped you with:
> >> >
> >> > "This old Cross was bathed in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ and
> >> > became transformed into the symbol of faith, hope and love. Today it is
> >> > used to rally the forces of Christianity against the ever increasing
> >> > hordes of the anti-Christ and the enemies of America and the White Race."
> >> >
> >> > www.kkk.com
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why you would think I'd care for anything the klan would
> >> believe. Oh..you must be trying the old tired liberal debating method
> >> of lumping Conservatives in with Hitler and the klan. You do realize
> >> that it's a failed method. And an embarrassment for you to try. It's
> >> so much a cliche that smarter 'debaters' than you do not use it.
> >> Don't forget Godwin.
> >
> >The klan uses christianity to justify their actions. They use the same
> >bible you're using. How do they manage that, eh? It's the same book
> >after all. What are they finding in there? Quit trying to hide
> >behind the "Hitler" argument.
>
> As the klan perverts the bible for their own use, muslims do not do
> the same for their koran. They might not follow it exactly, which was
> punished quite severely by the taliban and bin laden, but they live in
> guilt, knowing they're not following it as they should. That's why
> mosques teach the hatred they do in Mosques everywhere..even in the
> US.
"perverts the bible for their own use"? If the devil can quote scripture
to his own purpose that's more of a reflection on the book than on him.
> I'm ignoring Godwin as well. I'm being benevolent in trying to teach
> you some things. Be patient. You're a hard-head and it takes time to
> get through.
The only thing you have to offer is bigotry. It's made you thick headed.
But that's ok, chipping away at it will eventually let the light in.
> >> >Christianity embraced by racists! (They're just like bigots, you know.)
> >>
> >> Is this what this is all about Richie? You're anti-Christian? That
> >> smacks of bigotry, wouldn't ya think?
> >
> >Can't tell us why racists use christianity to justify themselves, eh?
>
> Perhaps because Christianity and judaism are the most popular
> religions in the US? And they certainly wouldn't want to follow
> anything jewish, so they latch onto and pervert Christianity.
"most popular"???? Your fellow bigots don't like the Jews either!
"most popular" - really grasping there, aren't you?
> >"The Christian god can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many
> >ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed
> >monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this
> >raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber
> >of the people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools
> >and hypocrites."
> >[Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to his nephew, Peter Carr]
> >
> >> No true Christian can be a racist.
> >> I just despise those whose religion demands they kill Jews and
> >> Christians. Especially Americans.
> >
> >Oh now Julia defines what a true christian is! Glory Be! Christianity
>
> So..in your opinion Richy, can a true christian be a racist?
Who decides what a true christian is? A bigot like you?
> I'd thought the answer would be a common-sense 'no'..
You bigots haven't any common sense.
> But you're a Christian-hater, so your mind is sort of screwed up a
> bit.
I'm a bigot hater - and you're a live one!
> And it's 'Julian'.
> No need to name-call Travesty.
What ever you say Bigot.
> >> >> >Gonna go call for killing christians now, tough guy???
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it's time the Christians and Jews defended themselves and rid the
> >> >> world of this gutter filth of a religion called islam. Make it clear
> >> >> to those who survive that they better advance to this century and cast
> >> >> off the violent urges their religion demands.
> >> >
> >> >Gutter religion, eh?
> >>
> >> Yes. After witnessing how they treat their own people, how they treat
> >> their women, the extremes and violence inherit in them, well defined a
> >> year ago today..yes. Gutter religion.
> >
> >Sounds just like the kind of reasoning christians used against women
> >and blacks. You were saying?
>
> Don't start sounding extremely stupid now. You were doing ok. Just
> sounding regularly stupid as always. That I expect from you and it
> makes me sad, but like I said, I'm being benevolent in granting you my
> wisdom.
You haven't any to give. Your pretense in either not knowing or
willfully denying what christianity has also done places you beyond
"extremely stupid".
> There's no comparison as to how the taliban or Sadaam treat their
> people today to the way blacks and women were treated in this country
> in the past.
Why don't you ask them? A slave ship full of blacks must be construed by
you as a favor to them.
> >> >God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. - Bailey Smith, former
> >> > president, Siuthern Baptist Convention
> >>
> >> And? You have no point there, do you?
> >
> >Just examples of christian bigotry - kinda like you.
>
> One day, you must ask me about my opinions about the jewish faith.
What, you're a bigot about them too?
> I'll leave you this teaser. For one to truly believe in their
> religion, all others must be deemed false and wrong.
> That'll be another thread one day.
What teaser? You've gone beyond mere religious advocacy to hate.
> >> >"Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims!" -- Henry Jordan, South
> >> >Carolina board of education
> >>
> >> Unless Buddhism dictates that Christians and Jews must die and must be
> >> demonstrated as often as possible, I have no problem whatsoever with
> >> that or any religion. Islam is the dangerous dirt religion.
> >
> >Christians call for killing doctors who do abortions. Christianity has been
> >used to justify oppressing and killing blacks and jews. Tell us about
> >"dirt", eh?
>
> Sorry, but murder is wrong. Those 'christians' who misconstrue the
> teachings in the bible to murder are not christian. Mind you, I'd not
> cry about an abortion doctor getting killed, but I'd certainly not
> condone it.
HAHAHA! You're happy an abortion doctor gets killed, but that isn't
condoning it!
> We're talking about Muslims. If they DON'T want Christians and Jews
> and other assorted infidels dead, then THEY are perverting the koran
> and NOT obeying the pedophile prophet's laws.
Murder is wrong eh? The bible calls for the death penalty for such things
as working on Sunday!
> >> >What kind of religion says something like that, bigot?
> >>
> >> 'Screw the Buddhists'? Was there any call to kill them? It's rude,
> >> but we don't quite know the context of why he picked them out.
> >
> >What difference does it make whether he called for killing them? It's
> >a BIGOTED, not a RUDE, remark. The kind a gutter religion might make.
>
> Where was the call to kill them? Screw the Buddhists is hardly a call
> for their death. I hear 'screw you jules' at least once a week.
"Kill the muslims" as Jordan declares *is* call for their death. Can't help
but notice you keep ignoring that part of his quote...
> Kiddingly I hope. Being the lovable, wonderful person I am, I'm sure
> it's kidding.
Makes sense you defend other bigots.
> >Can't help but noticed you dodged (again) the part where Jordan called
> >for killing muslims...once again, all they have to be is a muslim, he
> >and you want to kill them.
> >
>
> Geez Travesty. Alzheimers? My wanting muslims dead is a settled
> issue. It's in their nature and religion to kill us through
> terrorism.
A settled issue? Settled only in the sense you're getting a bit embarassed
by what you said and are trying to defuse it.
> >> >> I think we are adult enough to at least agree that terrorists want you
> >> >> dead And that just bashing Bush and America is not going to save you
> >> >> or lessen the punishment for being an American Christian or Jew. It
> >> >> might mean a quicker death, perhaps a bullet to the head rather than
> >> >> having your throat slit, but the end result is the same.
> >> >
> >> >The end result is you're a lousy bigot.
> >>
> >> Not lousy. Encouraged, delighted, and deliciously thrilled that those
> >> who want us dead might die soon. You must wait until Bush gets a
> >> foothold in Iraq. Nice jumping off point towards Iraq's 'peaceful'
> >> neighbors.
> >
> >Not a "lousy bigot", just a bigot!
> >
> >RT
> And around we go...if wanting American-hating, Jew and
> Christian-killing muslims dead makes me a bigot, then I'm a very,
> very, VERY proud bigot. That was NEVER in contention. We both agree
> with it. Stop making up stuff to argue about. There's enough
> already.
Don' have to make up a thing. Your own words damn you.
RT