Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments
Dana
Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 14, 2003
(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building. Indiana
Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed appropriations
bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to remove
the monument. The Senate has yet to pass its version of the appropriations
bill.
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on July 1 upheld a lower court ruling
and ordered Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove the
5,280-pound sculpture from the building's rotunda by Aug. 20. Moore had
ordered the monument erected in the first place.
Hostettler is hoping his amendment to the Commerce, Justice, State and the
Judiciary appropriations bill, which the House passed 260-161 on July 23,
will prevent the monument from being moved. Hostettler, in a release, noted
that the U.S. Marshals Service executes and enforces all lawful orders of
U.S. district courts, and as a component of the Justice Department, is
funded by the appropriations bill he amended.
"In Glassroth v. Moore, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the
Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore violated the Establishment
Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution by placing a granite
monument of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the Alabama State
judicial building in Montgomery, Ala.," Hostettler said on the House floor
July 22.
"As Hamilton pointed out (in Federalist 78), the legislative branch controls
the purse-strings of this government. When the legislative branch believes
the judicial branch to be in error, the Congress may refuse to fund actions
to enforce the court's judgment by the executive branch agency that would
execute those judgments," Hostettler added.
The circuit court order, which was the subject of CNSNews.com reports on
Aug. 6 and Aug. 7, has many other critics besides Hostettler.
"It's just madness," Walter Berns, resident scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute, told CNSNews.com, emphasizing however that while he
disagreed with the court decision on removing the sculpture, he did not
favor the appropriations process as the proper means to block the removal.
"Maybe the Senate will put an end to it," Berns added.
Rob Boston, assistant director of communications for Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, said Hostettler's efforts show disrespect
for the Constitution.
"Whether members of Congress like it or not, they must accept the fact that
they do not have the power to overturn judicial rulings through legislation,
and that's really what this is an attempt to do," Boston told CNSNews.com.
Yet Alan Keyes, a former Republican presidential candidate in 2000 who will
be attending a rally in Montgomery, Ala., Saturday opposing the sculpture's
removal, saw no problem with the legislation.
"I think that's one step that would certainly be useful," Keyes told
CNSNews.com. "I think that what we're dealing with here is a clear abuse of
judicial power to destroy one of the most fundamental rights of our
citizenship. It's actually part of a long train of abuse by the courts in
which they have willfully distorted the real meaning of the First Amendment
to the Constitution in order to destroy the very right that amendment is
meant to guarantee."
Critics of Hostettler's amendment said it would only embolden Senate
Democrats who are conducting a filibuster of President Bush's choice to fill
a vacancy on the 11th Circuit Court, the same court that ordered the removal
of the Ten Commandments sculpture. Bush's nominee, conservative Alabama
Attorney General William Pryor, would actually be compelled to enforce the
court order to remove the sculpture.
"Certainly, if Pryor failed to obey the court order to remove the Ten
Commandments sculpture, that would be further evidence of his unfitness for
the bench," Louis Bograd, legal director of the Alliance for Justice, told
reporters.
Berns said he did not see how the amendment to the spending bill could
greatly affect Pryor's nomination.
"There seems to be little prospect of his ever being confirmed by the Senate
anyway," Berns explained.
When asked recently by FOX News Channel talk show host Sean Hannity if he
would remove the sculpture, Moore initially answered "No" but later backed
off slightly.
Moore has scheduled a Thursday afternoon press conference at the Alabama
Supreme Court to announce whether he will obey the court order to remove the
sculpture. In the court order, U.S. District Court Judge Myron Thompson said
fines up to $5,000 per day could be levied against Moore, "and thus the
state of Alabama itself, until the monument is removed."
--
"The Declaration of Independence... [is the] declaratory charter of our
rights, and the rights of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd President of the United States
(1801-1809)
gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
>Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>By Steve Brown
>CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>August 14, 2003
>
>(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
>Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
This is ridiculous.
In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.
Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them.
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Dana
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> >
>
>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL2003
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> >Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
> >By Steve Brown
> >CNSNews.com Staff Writer
> >August 14, 2003
> >
> >(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display
of a
> >Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
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> This is ridiculous.
> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
Commandments.
That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
in their war against the religious.
me..
This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
not some Asshole in congress that will use our money to further his
religious beliefs. That money he wants to cut off belongs to all the
people including those that are not Christian.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:51:38 +0100, gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
wrote:
limbaugh_fart_detector
wrote:
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>>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
>>Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>>By Steve Brown
>>CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>>August 14, 2003
>>
>>(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
>>Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>This is ridiculous.
>In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.
>
>
>Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
>They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them.
They should put the Roman Cathollc version of the Ten Commandments or
the Jewish version....but the "Judaio Chirstian tradition" crowd alway
selects the Protestant version. Why do you think they do that?
limbaugh_fart_detector
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>>
>>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL2003
>0814a.html
>> >Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>> >By Steve Brown
>> >CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>> >August 14, 2003
>> >
>> >(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display
>of a
>> >Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This is ridiculous.
>> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
>Commandments.
>
>That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
>in their war against the religious.
Hey Buttboy, do secular humanists put ads requesting women to use
them as human toilets like you do?
BTW...answer me this about the non-toilet oriented secular
humanists....why do the self-rightious Conservatics not post the Roman
Cathollc version of the Ten Commandments or
the Jewish version....why do the "Judaio Chirstian tradition" crowd
alway select the Protestant version. Why do you think they do that?
Perhaps if they engaged in bizarre sexual fantasies like youself, they
may see clearer the morality of this issue, right?
gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
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>>
>>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL2003
>0814a.html
>> >Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>> >By Steve Brown
>> >CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>> >August 14, 2003
>> >
>> >(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display
>of a
>> >Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This is ridiculous.
>> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.
>
>That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
>in their war against the religious.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You snipped the reason WHY no other Christian country makes such a fuss :
"Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them."
In modern times, secular humanists and Christians get along just fine in those countries.
It would take quite a long discussion to explain why this is so.
The " Ten Commandments Problem" does not occur outside of the USA.
This is something which is unique to America.
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gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>
>This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
>such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
>not some Asshole in congress that will use our money to further his
>religious beliefs. That money he wants to cut off belongs to all the
>people including those that are not Christian.
".........belongs to all the people including those that are not Christian........."
This is a very good point.
Atheists are taxpayers.
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gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:51:38 +0100, gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>wrote:
>
>>>
>>>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
>>>Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>>>By Steve Brown
>>>CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>>>August 14, 2003
>>>
>>>(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
>>>Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>This is ridiculous.
>>In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten Commandments.
>>
>>
>>Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
>>They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that sort of thing behind them.
>
>
>
>They should put the Roman Cathollc version of the Ten Commandments or
>the Jewish version....but the "Judaio Chirstian tradition" crowd always
>selects the Protestant version. Why do you think they do that?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anybody is free to express their religion --- In private.
In this context, I would class a church as a private place.
A church is private property.
The exception to this rule, is a holy shrine, at a public place where vast
numbers of pilgrims visit.
If a "Ten Commandments Location" can be proven to be a place of pilgrimage,
then it should not be disturbed.
As far as I'm aware, no such place of pilgrimage exists in the USA.
But I'm prepared to be proven wrong.
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Dana
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>
> This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
> such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
The Congressman is no traitor to the USA, he is actually doing the right
thing and standing up for the people and state of Alabama.
And it is we the people who are the ultimate authority on the Constitution.
How you can so easily give up your freedom to a branch of government is
despicable.
Dana
<gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Atheists are taxpayers.
> ||||||||||||||||||||||
And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
Dana
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> >
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> >> >
> >>
>
>>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL200
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> >0814a.html
> >> >Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
> >> >By Steve Brown
> >> >CNSNews.com Staff Writer
> >> >August 14, 2003
> >> >
> >> >(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the
display
> >of a
> >> >Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> This is ridiculous.
> >> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
Commandments.
> >
> >That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so
active
> >in their war against the religious.
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> You are dishonest.
Nope, I am not a secular humanist.
gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>
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>> Atheists are taxpayers.
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>And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
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The good do not have a monopoly on the funds which ALL have contributed to.
Gray Shockley
>
> This congressman is a traitor to the USA
Oh, garbage; you're being silly.
> and should be treated as
> such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
> not some Asshole in congress that will use our money to further his
> religious beliefs.
"further his religious beliefs"????? Are you serious?
He and George Wallace, Junior, are playing politics.
Anyone who thinks this is about religion is hopelessly naive or incredibly
stupid.
Gray Shockley
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"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier
> That money he wants to cut off belongs to all the
> people including those that are not Christian.
>
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:51:38 +0100, gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL200
>>> 30814a.html
>>> Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
>>> By Steve Brown
>>> CNSNews.com Staff Writer
>>> August 14, 2003
>>>
>>> (CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display
>>> of a
>>> Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> This is ridiculous.
>> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
>> Commandments.
>>
>>
>> Those other Christian countries learned the hard way, long ago.
>> They had their bloody wars over Christianity and they want to put that
>> sort of thing behind them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Joni Rathbun
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Dana wrote:
>
> <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2qotjv0keadkhi996...@4ax.com...
> > Atheists are taxpayers.
> > ||||||||||||||||||||||
>
> And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not likely. Unlike you, they tend to be independent thinkers
not bound to follow the directions and biases laid out for
them by some organization or book of myths.
Christians on the otherhand... gosh, from the Klu Klux Klan
to the TVC. Now there we've got some bigots.
Joni Rathbun
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >
> >This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
> >such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
> >not some Asshole in congress that will use our money to further his
> >religious beliefs. That money he wants to cut off belongs to all the
> >people including those that are not Christian.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ".........belongs to all the people including those that are not Christian........."
>
>
> This is a very good point.
>
> Atheists are taxpayers.
> ||||||||||||||||||||||
And so are Jews and Buddhists.... and since the 10Cs on display are
specifically Protestant, Catholics and a few others should probably be
on this list of taxpayers as well. So on. So forth.
gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
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>>
>> This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
>> such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
>
>The Congressman is no traitor to the USA, he is actually doing the right
>thing and standing up for the people and state of Alabama.
".........standing up for the people........."
But is he standing up for the Atheists ?
The same Atheists who pay their taxes to the State of Alabama.
But I could be wrong about this.
Alabama might be the only State in the USA where there are no Atheists.
If there are no Atheists in Alabama, it should be re-named "The Fox Hole State".
[There's no such thing as an Atheist in a fox hole]
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gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
".........so are Jews and Buddhists........."
".........Catholics........."
I agree 100%
They are all taxpayers.
Why should one group be allowed to spend the common purse on their own religion ?
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gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk
>On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:44:02 -0500, [didn't leave a name] wrote:
>
>>
>> This congressman is a traitor to the USA
>
>
>Oh, garbage; you're being silly.
>
>
>> and should be treated as
>> such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
>> not some Asshole in congress that will use our money to further his
>> religious beliefs.
>
>
>
>"further his religious beliefs"????? Are you serious?
".........further his religious beliefs........."
Catholics, Jews, Buddhists and Atheists, are all taxpayers.
Why should one group be allowed to spend the common purse on their own religion ?
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Dana
"Joni Rathbun" <jrat...@orednet.org> wrote in message
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Notice how none of the other religious groups are complaining about the 10
commandments being displayed.
>
>
>
>
>
Joni Rathbun
I've never suggested they should be.
I would, however, chip in to erect a statue of Muhammad in
that Alabama courtroom just to see the reactions.
Joni Rathbun
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Dana wrote:
They certainly are.
They're also among the mainstream of those who bring these kinds of cases
to the courts. Remember the football prayer case in Texas, as a perfect
example - a case brought forth by a Mormon and Catholic family in a
district dominated by Baptists run amok.
Arne Langsetmo
>
> http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030814a.html
> Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
> By Steve Brown
> CNSNews.com Staff Writer
> August 14, 2003
>
> (CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of a
> Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building. Indiana
> Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed appropriations
> bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to remove
> the monument. The Senate has yet to pass its version of the appropriations
> bill.
Typical of the Republican RW (is there any other?) nowadays. If you
lose,
find some other way to smash your desired ends through.
They've lost all civility and all pretence. What we see is the final
stretch where they go for as much as they can grab, and hope that
it's enough for them to be able to install their one-party-under-Gawd
dictatorship for the Thousand Year Reich.
Those of you that doubt this, go Google "Rushdoony" or "Christian
Reconstructionism", and then take a look at the names you'll find there.
Compare them with a roster of Republican politicians. . . .
Rushdoony was one of the guys heading the Rutherford Institute,
the folks that were "helping" out Paula Jones in her little
blackmail attempt (or in the case of the Rutherford Institute
and the Federalist Society lawyers in the mix there, rather
an attempted coup d'etat).
[snip]
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
Arne Langsetmo
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[snip]
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> This is ridiculous.
> > >> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
> > >> Commandments.
> > >
> > >That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so
> > >active in their war against the religious.
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > You are dishonest.
>
> Nope, I am not a secular humanist.
Dana's not only dishonest (this snippage of his is just
small potatoes; he regularly uses forged quotes that he
gleans off CRW propaganda pages), he's also stoopid. As
you should be able to figure out by his witty rebuttal here.
What's worse is that he's a freakin' hypocrite:
>ladies use my tongue for your pleasure
></groups?q=author:danaraffaniello%40worldnet.
>att.net&start=210&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT>F-8&selm=
>63j187%24nji%40bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net&rnum=226>
>swm very oral will orally worship any female that wishes
>to be worshipped. will kiss and lick your feet and butt .
>might be wiling to be your toilet paper if you
>are that aggressive
That's our "ButtMaster" Dana. No one else like him (and
I suspect that no one else _likes_ him), and he hails from
the good ol' U.S. of Aye. . . .
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
Arne Langsetmo
>
> <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Atheists are taxpayers.
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>
> And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
Unlike those bastions of toleration that want _their_ religious
views affirmed from every courthouse in the land, but who
would scream bloody murder if anyone suggested that we
post the Koran in the exact same places. . . .
But it wouldn't matter if _every_ atheist was an "intolerant
bigot". They're not exactly a majority. How many atheist
judges do we have, Dana? How many atheist lawmakers?
I think that current sentiment in the U.S. is that
the people would prefer ol' Sparks himself, to having
a _Gawdless_ atheist, in the Presidency (which might
go a ways towards explaining Nixon and Dubya).
It's hardly "intolerant" to insist on your Constitutional
rights, Dana. And yes, I think that you even have
a Constitutional right to this:
[Dana's idea of a romantic evening]:
>ladies use my tongue for your pleasure
></groups?q=author:danaraffaniello%40worldnet.
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>swm very oral will orally worship any female that wishes to be
worshipped.
>will kiss and lick your feet and butt .
>might be wiling to be your toilet paper if you
>are that aggressive
as long as you leave me out of it (and clean your
keyboard real thoroughly before replying to my
posts).
As for the bigotry, see above. Hell, we don't mind
theists in office. But your folks (Bush Senior,
for instance) doesn't even think that atheists should
have _any_ civil rights, much less be able to become
President.
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
Bob LeChevalier
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>> Atheists are taxpayers.
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>And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is noted but worthless.
lojbab
--
lojbab loj...@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
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Dana
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> Dana wrote:
> > <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:ddntjvo4jn2be6d91...@4ax.com...
> > > ><gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> [snip]
>
> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >> This is ridiculous.
> > > >> In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
> > > >> Commandments.
> > > >
> > > >That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so
> > > >active in their war against the religious.
> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > You are dishonest.
> >
> > Nope, I am not a secular humanist.
>
> Dana's not only dishonest (this snippage of his is just
> small potatoes; he regularly uses forged quotes that he
> gleans off CRW propaganda pages), he's also stoopid. As
> you should be able to figure out by his witty rebuttal here.
As little arnie once again proves that he is incapable of refuting what was
posted, so he launches into a personal attack.
>
> What's worse is that he's a freakin' hypocrite:
Ah so you are reduced to using a fradulent post that gary posted.
How very lame that you are reduced to such tactics. But then we expected
that from people like you.
>
> >ladies use my tongue for your pleasure
>
> ></groups?q=author:danaraffaniello%40worldnet.
> >att.net&start=210&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT>F-8&selm=
> >63j187%24nji%40bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net&rnum=226>
>
> >swm very oral will orally worship any female that wishes
> >to be worshipped. will kiss and lick your feet and butt .
>
> >might be wiling to be your toilet paper if you
> >are that aggressive
>
> That's our "ButtMaster" Dana. No one else like him (and
> I suspect that no one else _likes_ him), and he hails from
> the good ol' U.S. of Aye. . . .
Too bad for you that Gary was kicked off of two ISP's for that post he
posted in my name. Now if this is what you are reduce to, be aware that you
can be held accountable for what you post in the news groups.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- Arne Langsetmo
Dana
> Dana wrote:
> >
> > <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2qotjv0keadkhi996...@4ax.com...
> > > Atheists are taxpayers.
> > > ||||||||||||||||||||||
> >
> > And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
>
> Unlike those bastions of toleration that want _their_ religious
> views affirmed from every courthouse in the land
And again arnie has to lie. So tell us arnie, why can't you refute what was
posted. Why must you engage in personal attacks. You might feel safe behind
your keyboard. But do remember that you can be held accountable for your
actions.
So tell us what dewey said about secular humanism, even dewey called it a
religion, yet you are making the claim it is not a religion, yet it's
founders claim it is a religion. You claim I am a fundy, yet you could never
prove that. You post a fraudulent disgusting post thinking you are getting
one over, when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself as a
hypocrite.
You are a very good example of why man will never be able to have a perfect
peace in our life time. Hopefully mankind will ditch the acts with which
drive you to engage in personal attacks because of viewpoints you do not
like. It is this intolerance and hatred that you have, and that indeed
mankind as a species has that causes war and conflict. When people like you
who cannot control their intolerance and hatred become a very small minority
of the population as a whole, than maybe mankind will reach the level of
humanity needed where people will not wage war on each other. But until then
there will always be people like I who will defend society from people like
you, who tend towards tyranny and oppressive behaviors against their fellow
men. Your attitude which is quite similar to most on the left in America
today will ensure that the country will not stay as a republic of 50 states.
Society is fracturing and the country is being polarized into two major
camps. One camp is those that believe in individual freedom and liberty
living in a moral society where people are held accountable for their
actions, and all are treated equally, and the other camp is the socialist
side, where people are not held accountable for their actions, and that the
government will take care of them. This will become a moral-less society
where there will be two classes, the well off, and everyone else. The well
off would make all the rules, and everyone else will be just pawns to be
used by the well off when and where needed. You will be just another cog in
the big machine. You will be just as free as your fellow slave, so long as
you behave just like him/her.
Dana
Lance O. Lake
wrote:
>> >And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
>
And you done thunk you had a monopoly, eh boy?
Lance/Who can't figure out if "dana" is a boy or a girl or a
combination
Robert
"Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote in message
news:vjtf8na...@corp.supernews.com...
>
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL20030
814a.html
> Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
> By Steve Brown
> CNSNews.com Staff Writer
> August 14, 2003
>
> (CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display of
a
> Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building. Indiana
> Republican Rep. John Hostettler's amendment to a House-passed
appropriations
> bill would cut federal funds used to enforce a federal court order to
remove
> the monument.
What a really stupid idea.
Enforcing court orders and respecting court orders should be paramount.
Robert
>
> <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4sgtjvo3eqh71n42s...@4ax.com...
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200308/CUL2003
> 0814a.html
> > >Congressman Seeks to Protect Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
> > >By Steve Brown
> > >CNSNews.com Staff Writer
> > >August 14, 2003
> > >
> > >(CNSNews.com) - Congress is now involved in the battle over the display
> of a
> > >Ten Commandments monument at the Alabama Supreme Court building.
> > This is ridiculous.
> > In no other Christian country is there such a fuss over the Ten
> Commandments.
>
> That is because the secular humanists in those countries are not so active
> in their war against the religious.
Secular humanist? OK. War against the religious? If you look at history,
it is the religious that started wars and killed other people.
We just don't want your reliigion forced upon us.
Robert
>
> <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2qotjv0keadkhi996...@4ax.com...
> > Atheists are taxpayers.
> > ||||||||||||||||||||||
>
> And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
How many atheists do you know?
I know that wonderful christian bigots kept breaking my Darwin emblem off my
car
Robert
>
> "me.." <me..@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
> news:t8ntjv4dll4pfc6br...@4ax.com...
> >
> > This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
> > such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
>
> The Congressman is no traitor to the USA, he is actually doing the right
> thing and standing up for the people and state of Alabama.
> And it is we the people who are the ultimate authority on the
Constitution.
> How you can so easily give up your freedom to a branch of government is
> despicable.
The ultimate authority on the Constitution, according to the Constittution,
is the Supreme Court.
By the way, Dana, where in the Constitution does it grant you the right to
smell feet.
Bob LeChevalier
>So tell us what dewey said about secular humanism,
Why should anyone care what Dewey said?
>even dewey called it a religion,
His unsubstantiated opinion is noted, and irrelevant.
>yet you are making the claim it is not a religion, yet it's
>founders claim it is a religion.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is noted, and irrelevant.
>You claim I am a fundy, yet you could never prove that.
You walk like a duck and quack like one. Who cares whether you are
one?
>You post a fraudulent disgusting post thinking you are getting
>one over,
You do that several times a week, and you violate copyright laws when
you do so.
>when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself as a hypocrite.
You prove you are one every time you post.
>You are a very good example of why man will never be able to have a perfect
>peace in our life time.
Why would one ever expect that man would have a perfect peace?
>Hopefully mankind will ditch the acts with which
>drive you to engage in personal attacks because of viewpoints you do not
>like. It is this intolerance and hatred that you have, and that indeed
>mankind as a species has that causes war and conflict.
Are you abdicating from membership in the human race, or is this a
confession that you did so already?
>But until then there will always be people like I who will defend society
You are incapable of defending anything.
>Society is fracturing and the country is being polarized into two major
>camps.
It's happened before, and it'll happen again.
One particular time before, we fought a Civil War and a million people
died. Your side lost.
>One camp is those that believe in individual freedom and liberty
>living in a moral society where people are held accountable for their
>actions, and all are treated equally, and the other camp is the socialist
>side, where people are not held accountable for their actions, and that the
>government will take care of them.
I'm sure that your opponents can devise some equally silly statement
whereby your views are the ultimate evil and their views are the
paragon of goodness and light.
>This will become a moral-less society
>where there will be two classes, the well off, and everyone else. The well
>off would make all the rules, and everyone else will be just pawns to be
>used by the well off when and where needed. You will be just another cog in
>the big machine. You will be just as free as your fellow slave, so long as
>you behave just like him/her.
See, you even did it for him. Sounds like you just described your own
camp from his point of view.
How silly.
Bob LeChevalier
>> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote:
>> ><gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:2qotjv0keadkhi996...@4ax.com...
>> >> Atheists are taxpayers.
>> >> ||||||||||||||||||||||
>> >
>> >And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
Your unsubstantiated opinion is still worthless, even on repetition.
Dana
"Robert" <wayne_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7GK%a.1894$QV.65...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
It was man using and abusing religion to further his own selfish goals.
>
> We just don't want your reliigion forced upon us.
Our religion is not being forced upon you.
>
>
>
>
Dana
>
> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:vjtqahd...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > <gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:2qotjv0keadkhi996...@4ax.com...
> > > Atheists are taxpayers.
> > > ||||||||||||||||||||||
> >
> > And a very large majority of atheists are intolerant bigots.
>
> How many atheists do you know?
Quite a few.
>
> I know that wonderful christian bigots kept breaking my Darwin emblem off
my
> car
You do not know that.
>
>
Dana
>
> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:vjtq998...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "me.." <me..@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
> > news:t8ntjv4dll4pfc6br...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > This congressman is a traitor to the USA and should be treated as
> > > such. The supreme court is the ultimate athority on the constitution
> >
> > The Congressman is no traitor to the USA, he is actually doing the right
> > thing and standing up for the people and state of Alabama.
> > And it is we the people who are the ultimate authority on the
> Constitution.
> > How you can so easily give up your freedom to a branch of government is
> > despicable.
>
> The ultimate authority on the Constitution, according to the
Constittution,
> is the Supreme Court.
In reality it is we the people who are the final authority on our
Constitution and our entire form of government. And when this government no
longer works for us, it is our duty and our right to replace it.
>
> By the way, Dana, where in the Constitution does it grant you the right to
> smell feet.
You may want to ask Gary that. He posted the ad, not I.
>
>
Dana
> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote:
> >So tell us what dewey said about secular humanism,
>
> Why should anyone care what Dewey said?
Being that dewey is the person who laid out the framework of our public
education system, and he is considered as the father of our public education
system, his views are very relevant.
>
> >even dewey called it a religion,
>
> His unsubstantiated opinion is noted, and irrelevant.
Dewey was one of the founders of secular humanism.
>
> >yet you are making the claim it is not a religion, yet it's
> >founders claim it is a religion.
> >You claim I am a fundy, yet you could never prove that.
>
> You walk like a duck and quack like one. Who cares whether you are
> one?
In other words you just admitted you are lying.
>
> >You post a fraudulent disgusting post thinking you are getting
> >one over,
>
> You do that several times a week, and you violate copyright laws when
> you do so.
Nope, I have never violated any copyright laws. Maybe you should read up on
what copyright laws do.
>
> >when in reality all you are doing is exposing yourself as a hypocrite.
> >You are a very good example of why man will never be able to have a
perfect
> >peace in our life time.
>
> Why would one ever expect that man would have a perfect peace?
Well you socialists need for man to be in strife all the time.
>
> >Hopefully mankind will ditch the acts with which
> >drive you to engage in personal attacks because of viewpoints you do not
> >like. It is this intolerance and hatred that you have, and that indeed
> >mankind as a species has that causes war and conflict.
> >But until then there will always be people like I who will defend society
>
> >Society is fracturing and the country is being polarized into two major
>
> >One camp is those that believe in individual freedom and liberty
> >living in a moral society where people are held accountable for their
> >actions, and all are treated equally, and the other camp is the socialist
> >side, where people are not held accountable for their actions, and that
the
> >government will take care of them.
Dana
Dana
Not when the court order is legislation from the bench.
>
>
longshotjohn7
I know the Judge in Alabama. He is a religious man. But he is a political
man. and he is a bigot. He is ambitious and wants higher office. He is
delighted about the publicity he is receiving. Too bad he is using this
issue, as I am of the Christian faith also. The monument was paid for by
private funds. I see no reason to pull them out of the lobby. The wording
of the Commandments may differ from one religion to the next--but the ideas
expressed in them are universal and the ideas cannot be claimed as "owned"
by any religious group and therefore apply to no other. The concepts of
"good" are universal and are instantly recognizable to other than
psychopaths. Even an aethiest would see the wrongness of "stealing".
--
longshotjohn 7
http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/hot2trot
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
because of those who look on and do nothing. --Albert Einstein
Bob LeChevalier
>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
>news:bk4vjvcqmecttilvh...@4ax.com...
>> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote:
>> >So tell us what dewey said about secular humanism,
>>
>> Why should anyone care what Dewey said?
>
>Being that dewey is the person who laid out the framework of our public
>education system, and he is considered as the father of our public education
>system, his views are very relevant.
False. Most people attribute that to Mann, who was several decades
before Dewey.
But even if so, his views on anything other than public education are
irrelevant to public education.
Dewey's primary impact on education was on the METHODS of teaching:
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/publicschool/innovators/dewey.html
>As an alternative to the drill-and-recitation methods of the
> nineteenth century, Dewey’s School and Society (1899) espoused the
> notion that ideas should be grounded in experience. In Experience and
> Education (1938), he argued that education should be based on the
> child’s psychological and physical development, as well as the world
> outside the schoolroom.
>> >even dewey called it a religion,
>>
>> His unsubstantiated opinion is noted, and irrelevant.
>
>Dewey was one of the founders of secular humanism.
Nope. Humanism was around long before Dewey, and if it wasn't
religious humanism, it was secular humanism. Some people date it from
the Renaissance, which Dewey had no part in:
http://www.italian-art.org/history/humanism.html
However, humanism can be found in ancient Greek manuscripts:
http://www.humanistsofutah.org/1993/flosep93.html
Dewey was one of 34 signers of something called The Humanist Manifesto
http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto1.html
However, that document does not define "secular humanism". It defines
what they called "religious humanism".
To see the definition of "secular humanism", one might look at
http://www.secularhumanism.org/intro/declaration.html
where one will not find Dewey's name among the subscribers, nor any
indication that secular humanism is intended to be a religion or
religious in nature. In particular, it says:
>Secular humanism is not a dogma or a creed.
>> >You post a fraudulent disgusting post thinking you are getting
>> >one over,
>>
>> You do that several times a week, and you violate copyright laws when
>> you do so.
>
>Nope, I have never violated any copyright laws. Maybe you should read up on
>what copyright laws do.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#102
>§ 102. Subject matter of copyright: In general
>(a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in
> original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of
> expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be
> perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or
> with the aid of a machine or device.
>
>§ 106. Exclusive rights in copyrighted works
>Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this
> title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the
^^^^^^^^^
> following:
>(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;
>(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;
>(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to
> the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental,
> lease, or lending;
>§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
>Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use
> of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies
> or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for
> purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
> (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or
> research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether
> the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the
> factors to be considered shall include —
>
>(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use
> is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
>(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
>(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the copyrighted work as a whole; and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of
> the copyrighted work.
>
>The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of
> fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above
> factors.
See also point #4 of
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Joni Rathbun
I do. It's a publically funded space where attendance happens to
be compelled or required for many who enter there - no choice.
The wording
> of the Commandments may differ from one religion to the next--but the ideas
> expressed in them are universal
That is a naive statement at best. Sad.
and the ideas cannot be claimed as "owned"
> by any religious group and therefore apply to no other. The concepts of
> "good" are universal and are instantly recognizable to other than
> psychopaths. Even an aethiest would see the wrongness of "stealing".
So I take it from what you've said here you'd have no objections to
the next judge erecting a statue of Mohammud in place of the 10Cs.
Robert
America is a Christian nation and as soon as every one realizes it the
better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
much trouble they better watch out.
Arne Langsetmo
>
> Joni Rathbun wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 gr...@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
> >
[snip]
> >> Why should one group be allowed to spend the common purse on their
> >> own religion ?
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > I've never suggested they should be.
> >
> > I would, however, chip in to erect a statue of Muhammad in
> > that Alabama courtroom just to see the reactions.
>
> I know the Judge in Alabama. He is a religious man. But he is a political
> man. and he is a bigot. He is ambitious and wants higher office. He is
> delighted about the publicity he is receiving. Too bad he is using this
> issue, as I am of the Christian faith also. The monument was paid for by
> private funds. I see no reason to pull them out of the lobby. The wording
> of the Commandments may differ from one religion to the next--but the ideas
> expressed in them are universal and the ideas cannot be claimed as "owned"
> by any religious group and therefore apply to no other. . . .
Ummmm, try the first four. Or are you one of those folks that
can't even name those ten commandments (or thereabouts) that you
don't mind plastered all over? Thank goodness lots of Xtians
disregard one of these first four, and as a consequence we have
a lot of really beautiful art (others, such as Greek Orthodox,
Jewish, and Muslim, take them seriously, and instead go for
elaborate abstract art, sculpture, and architecture, to which
we can give thanks for our elaborate Persian tapestries, and
the intricate arabesque designs we use on tableware and floor
times and such). But see what happens when religious collide,
in the sad fate of the Bamiyan Buddhas. . . .
> . . . The concepts of
> "good" are universal and are instantly recognizable to other than
> psychopaths. . . .
The problem is that the commandments that are unique (see above)
aren't universal (or instantly recognizable as "good), and the
ones that _are_ universal aren't unique. Fancy that.
> . . . Even an aethiest would see the wrongness of "stealing".
True. But what makes you think that Xtianity holds the patent
on that idea???
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
a.a. #101
Bob LeChevalier
>Joni Rathbun wrote:
>> I've never suggested they should be.
>>
>> I would, however, chip in to erect a statue of Muhammad in
>> that Alabama courtroom just to see the reactions.
>
>I know the Judge in Alabama. He is a religious man. But he is a political
>man. and he is a bigot. He is ambitious and wants higher office. He is
>delighted about the publicity he is receiving. Too bad he is using this
>issue, as I am of the Christian faith also. The monument was paid for by
>private funds. I see no reason to pull them out of the lobby. The wording
>of the Commandments may differ from one religion to the next--but the ideas
>expressed in them are universal and the ideas cannot be claimed as "owned"
>by any religious group and therefore apply to no other. The concepts of
>"good" are universal and are instantly recognizable to other than
>psychopaths. Even an aethiest would see the wrongness of "stealing".
But not the wrongness of "I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt have no
other Gods before me." That is not universally a concept of "good".
Lance O. Lake
wrote:
Wasn't that a power reserved to the states?
Lance/Who prefers a dainty size foot on the S.O.
Arne Langsetmo
>
> "Robert" <wayne_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:NNK%a.1897$fY.65...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
[snip]
> > By the way, Dana, where in the Constitution does it grant you the right to
> > smell feet.
>
> You may want to ask Gary that. He posted the ad, not I.
Dana "ButtMaster" Raffaniello lies again:
Googling groups for author "danaraf...@worldnet.att.net", and going
to
the earliest postings:
From: dana raffaniello (danaraf...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: will worship female butt and feet
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: houston.personals
Date: 1997/11/02
swm will worship your feet and butt nothing but oral. use my tongue
and
mouth for your pleasure. no penetration unless wanted.
* * * * * *
From: dana raffaniello (danaraf...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: houston toilet for ladies
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.personals.fetish
Date: 1997/11/02
use me as your toilet. will be toilet for female parties. can also
be used
as a rug, so you can walk on me.
* * * * * *
Hell, here's your "virgin" post to Usenet under the
"Danaraf...@worldnet.att.net" account, early in
1997, the oldest post in Google for this addy:
From: danaraf...@worldnet.att.net
(danaraf...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: golden/brown showers
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.personals.fetish, alt.sex.fetish.watersports
Date: 1997/03/30
swm/34 houston tx. looking for females to use me as an oral slave.
no physical penetration,just use my tongue and mouth for your
satisfaction. will perform toilet service for both golden and brown
showers. will worship feet and ass. trampling and smothering ok
also. cyber or in person. ladies tell me your fantasy,on
watersports.
There's a few more I left out, and I did mostly searches way back
so that the chance of someone else forging your addy was
insignificant. But that last one here's the kicker; it was the first
post ever in Google's records on, _any_ topic, for your AT&T Worldnet
account. As such, it's hard to see how anyone could have
been psychic enough to forge a post for an addy you hadn't
even used yet (and why would anyone bother to forge your
posts when your own are quite pathetic enough as it is?).
I notice that you started taming down your personals a bit
from those first exhilarating "go for the gusto" days. Hell,
maybe you even suffered severe brain damage and became
"born again" in the meanwhile. But that doesn't erase
history, Dana. It's there in Google for all to see.
Now why don't you go complain to my ISP about my terrible
lies about your ... ummm, "peculiar" ... sexual proclivities.
I'll whack you right back with the evidence and make your
butt an even brighter shade of red (which may be what
you were looking for in the first place, but what the
hay, it's free...)
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
Bob LeChevalier
>America is a Christian nation and as soon as every one realizes it the
>better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
>much trouble they better watch out.
What are you going to do? Exile them to Madagascar?
Joni Rathbun
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> robe...@pcpostal.com (Robert) wrote:
> >America is a Christian nation and as soon as every one realizes it the
> >better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
> >much trouble they better watch out.
>
> What are you going to do? Exile them to Madagascar?
>
I can get them some good deals on a cruise ship.
Joni Rathbun
> robe...@pcpostal.com (Robert) wrote:
> >America is a Christian nation and as soon as every one realizes it the
> >better it will be. Non-Christians are tolerated but if they become to
> >much trouble they better watch out.
You could not be more wrong.
Our Constitution is clearly and without question a secular document
that does not so much as mention God, Christianity, or Jesus. And
as stated in the Treaty of Tripoli, "The Government of the United States
of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
As for the 10Cs... the first four have nothing to do with law or
ethical behavior at all. Only three have any relevence and they
existed long before anyone dreamed up Christianity, Moses or the
Bible.
The US is a secular nation that welcomes and tolerates all religions
because the government neither favors or supports any of those religions,
thus ensuring and protecting the rights and freedoms of all, not just
those who make threats (see above), think they're special and better than
everyone else. Indeed, it is our government's duty to protect us from
people like that. That's why we have both the first and 14th amendments,
to protect people from people like you. Had you and yours behaved
yourselves, those amendments would not have been necessary.
Cary Kittrell
Well, seeing as how many "Christians" do not think Catholics are
"real Christians" -- and vice-versa -- and similarly for Mormons,
Christian Scientists, and others (I've seen vicious arguments
over whether those who have not had a pentacostal experience
are "really saved" or not), I'd say that just about EVERBODY
better watch out.
-- cary
me..
What are you going to Bring back the inquisition. You better watch
out Americans are well armed. In this country the constitution give
all the right to defend themselves. Even against Christians like
yourself. Personally I don't think your a true follower of Christ at
all.