Today's Quote: Individual morality is a foundation of principle in national policy can NEVER be separated from state.
Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore
"The foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and
immutable principles of private morality."
--George Washington
By demanding a litmus test for judges of moral principle is to invite
corruption. Without Higher Ruling Authority, pointiheaded intellectual
judges take power from their will rather than the peoples elected, the
legislature.
Private morality would not allow arbitrary/liberal rulings from the bench
rather principled interpretation as close to the authors intent.
Our leaders are required to be moral, principled men and women, the
alternative is immoral, unprincipled which the world would see as
tyrannical.
So which is it you separation 'from' state apathetic concessionaires to the
behaviorally inappropriate?
--
CB
When a governmental practice has been "deeply embedded in the history and
tradition of this country," such a practice will not violate the
Establishment Clause because the practice has become part of the "fabric of
our society." See Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 786 (1983). The Ten
Commandments played a significant role in the development of American law.
The incorporation of the Ten Commandments in law and policy pre?dates the
Constitution. This intermingling of the Ten Commandments into American law
and government was long before the appearance of legislative prayers. The
drafters of the First Amendment would never have dreamed they were
abolishing the Decalogue.
--The Ten Commandments in American Law and Government
By Mathew D. Staver www.lc.org
ros...@kickbeck.com
<C...@prayforme.com> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
>By demanding a litmus test for judges of moral principle is to invite
>corruption. Without Higher Ruling Authority, pointiheaded intellectual
>judges take power from their will rather than the peoples elected, the
>legislature.
First of all, "higher power" isn't the same for all, you fucking
idiot.
Second, there is no credible evidence that any "higher power" exists,
save what individuals choose to believe as a function of FAITH
"FAITH" doesn't lend itself to empirical evidence, therefore making it
moot when government is involved.
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DirtBag CB wrote:
>A nigger isn't a person so much as a filthy
>minded spirit. One can change his character and
>his spirit, one cannot change his skin color.
Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore
"AD" <blue...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore wrote:
>
> > Today's Quote:
> >
> > "The foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and
> > immutable principles of private morality."
> > --George Washington
>
influence
> of clergy."--George Washington
Let the people decide by vote or legislation.
>
> >
> >
> > By demanding a litmus test for judges of moral principle is to invite
> > corruption. Without Higher Ruling Authority, pointiheaded intellectual
> > judges take power from their will rather than the peoples elected, the
>
> "Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the
decent
> people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public
policy.
> They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their
views
> the only alternatives."
> Barry Goldwater
>
> >
Who said religion, I mean moral principal based on Higher Authority,
religion is the study of faith by bone headed intellectuals.
Then by all means have the mainstream democrats throw the trailer trash out
of the DNC. Terry McGoofy, Carville, Begalla and the clinton's have ruined
their party by following the Third Way of socialism by way of the "The
Enabling Act." Divide and conquer, win at all cost, the art of war...room
mentalities.
> >
> >
> > Private morality would not allow arbitrary/liberal rulings from the
bench
> > rather principled interpretation as close to the authors intent.
>
> > "We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state
separate
> > from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop
now.
> > To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of
conservatism
> > and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."
> >
> >
> >
> > Our leaders are required to be moral, principled men and women, the
> > alternative is immoral, unprincipled which the world would see as
> > tyrannical.
>
> "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of
the
> abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross.
Consider
> what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" John Adams
That is old history, this is a war for the survival of America and religious
freedom. It's nice for nostalgia and a learning tool to look back on
history but we live in today's world with a threat that began as far back as
Cain and Abel. Liberals today want what they did not earn and Islamic
terrorists today kill for what they did not earn, the yield the descendants
of Abel have multiplied for the Master's return.
>
> >
> >
> > So which is it you separation 'from' state apathetic concessionaires to
the
> > behaviorally inappropriate?
>
> "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from
these
> shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood
for
> centuries." James Madison
No problem there mate. Let's not equate moral principal with separation.
>
> >
> > --
> > CB
> > When a governmental practice has been "deeply embedded in the history
and
> > tradition of this country," such a practice will not violate the
> > Establishment Clause because the practice has become part of the "fabric
of
> > our society." See Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 786 (1983). The Ten
> > Commandments played a significant role in the development of American
law.
> > The incorporation of the Ten Commandments in law and policy pre?dates
the
> > Constitution. This intermingling of the Ten Commandments into American
law
> > and government was long before the appearance of legislative prayers.
The
> > drafters of the First Amendment would never have dreamed they were
> > abolishing the Decalogue.
> > --The Ten Commandments in American Law and Government
> > By Mathew D. Staver www.lc.org
>
> "What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had
on
> civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of
> political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of
the
> liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty
have
> found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just
government,
> instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."
> James Madison
Again no prob. Although the Senate and House minister may have some doubts
>
>
> "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the
> worst."--Thomas Paine
That's why we have separation of church and state. But...that does NOT mean
that lay men who seek office can't be of good moral principal.
>
> "Religion I found to be without any tendency to inspire, promote, or
confirm
> morality, serves principally to divide us and make us unfriendly to one
> another."--Benjamin Franklin
True, convert and be at one with your Creator, not by force or under threat
of death as in Islam but of free will and a knock to the door, it will be
open.
Free choice is America. Long may it live. We may disagree but free speech
with toleration makes us strong. The democrat controlled senate would have
us believe even morally principled judges are disqualified to sit on the
federal bench, even when the ABA gave its blessing. How is it that Tom
Daschle has the power to obstruct in the face of such qualified pedigrees?
Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore
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> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:27:57 -0400, "Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore"
> <C...@prayforme.com> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
>
> >By demanding a litmus test for judges of moral principle is to invite
> >corruption. Without Higher Ruling Authority, pointiheaded intellectual
> >judges take power from their will rather than the peoples elected, the
> >legislature.
>
> First of all, "higher power" isn't the same for all, you fucking
> idiot.
How true, in your case it's definitely "lower power"
>
> Second, there is no credible evidence that any "higher power" exists,
> save what individuals choose to believe as a function of FAITH
I remind you
Christianity far exceeds all other faiths in America. From all the
intolerant agnostic's, atheist's and mumbo jumbo psycho babbling,
separation of church and state minorities, one would think America was
not a Christian nation. According to the Census 2000
(http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/statab/sec01.pdf) on page 62 of 62
at the very bottom of the page (could one burry the findings any
better?) you will find the brake down on faiths in America.
You would do well to respect the majority belief and that of America's
forefathers. We have not 'progressed' so far as to be gODSs onto our selves,
taken God out of our "Pledge, Bibles out of the courtroom or reference to
God out of political ads. Your atheist belief is the minority.
>
> "FAITH" doesn't lend itself to empirical evidence, therefore making it
> moot when government is involved.
Oh there is plenty of evidence which you 'choose' not to accept. That is
your 'choice' as a god given right. Don't expect others to comply with your
demands because you choose not to believe. Just as I can lead you to water
but can't make you drink.
As long as we understand that separation, there isn't a problem. It's only
when Tom Daschle prevents the nominations of federal judges because of their
faith and not their judgments in official duty, government 'is' stepping
over the line of separation. The people will reflect that next month when we
vote.
ros...@kickbeck.com
<C...@prayforme.com> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
>I remind you
>
>Christianity far exceeds all other faiths in America.
I remind YOU
That "faith" is not dependent on truth, evidence, or facts.
You either believe, or dont believe according to personal tastes.
What YOU want to do is use YOUR personal beliefs to affect public
policy, and shove your racist, homophobic, bigoted crap down others
throats.
>You would do well to respect the majority belief and that of America's
>forefathers.
The "forefathers" are DEAD, you racist idiot.
the "forefathers" built a FRAMEWORK for society predicated on some
"universal truths", but DID NOT build an entire house for us to live
in, nor did they intend to.
18th century, rural, agrarian, pre-industrial/technological people, no
matter how you try to spin it, did NOT have the capacity to forsee
events. They crafted a structure according to that era's beliefs, but
were extremely careful not to micromanage-------that's why the
constitution is short. It was INTENDED to be interpreted according
to the society it served.
We beat you racist fucks for 200 years, you turdface scumbag.
I love doing it day after day.
>> "FAITH" doesn't lend itself to empirical evidence, therefore making it
>> moot when government is involved.
>
>Oh there is plenty of evidence which you 'choose' not to accept.
No, it's not evidence, it's belief (of yours)
That is not factual, and has NO evidentiary value.
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>Heh, good one. I've never bothered to understand Jim Crow laws,
>sorry. It never effected me. Did they you?
>-------------"Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore", (CB)
Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore
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> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:50:41 -0400, "Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore"
> <C...@prayforme.com> wrote like a right wing scumbag:
>
> >I remind you
> >
> >Christianity far exceeds all other faiths in America.
>
> I remind YOU
>
> That "faith" is not dependent on truth, evidence, or facts.
I have faith that without kicking the ass of both liberalism and radical
Islam, apathetic concession to the Evils of terrorism and incremental
socialism will bring America to its knees
The mix of clay and iron makes for an unstable alliance but for war against
Christians, Jews and mainstream America it will do.
>
> You either believe, or dont believe according to personal tastes.
I believe liberals would lie, cheat and steal...oh...they're doing all that.
>
> What YOU want to do is use YOUR personal beliefs to affect public
> policy, and shove your racist, homophobic, bigoted crap down others
> throats.
What you want is a secular world where man is his own god and steal from the
successful and give to the people who squandered the bounty given them at
birth. Choose poorly in life and pay the consequences. The ants are sick of
having grasshoppers like you stealing from the productive.
Got it Hopper?
>
> >You would do well to respect the majority belief and that of America's
> >forefathers.
>
> The "forefathers" are DEAD, you racist idiot.
Their principals live on in the GOP and Federalists. It is liberalism which
is lost all foundation from America's charter. Liberalism seeks to separate
man from God and radical Islam seeks to kill a Christian America. Strange
bedfellows you make Hopper.
>
> the "forefathers" built a FRAMEWORK for society predicated on some
> "universal truths", but DID NOT build an entire house for us to live
> in, nor did they intend to.
Liberalism seeks to distroy the house via Energy constriction and Economic
suffering. Liberliam hates Capitalism and Economic prosparity, Capitalism's
reward. Total distruction of America's way of life 'is the only Third Way
socialists can desolve the Constitution and join the NWO. You do believe in
socialism over our Constitutional form of Republic, do you not? You do
believe in world socialism/communism were all work and reward is by need
wather than reward, do you not?
>
> 18th century, rural, agrarian, pre-industrial/technological people, no
> matter how you try to spin it, did NOT have the capacity to forsee
> events. They crafted a structure according to that era's beliefs, but
> were extremely careful not to micromanage-------that's why the
> constitution is short. It was INTENDED to be interpreted according
> to the society it served.
I have no problem with that as long as the legislature of each state or
Congress of the union makes the changes. Judicial activism has no power over
legislative intent.
>
> We beat you racist fucks for 200 years, you turdface scumbag.
Look what you've done to America.by progressive vulgarity, creating fashion
out of shamefull sluts and their government run single head of households.
The bastards that are born out of wedlock grow up with emotional problems
only to be prescribed Prozac to suppress their feelings of inadequacy and
loneliness. Prisons are full of dope heads who have dropped out and plugged
in to apathy. A purposeful degradation of American culture the communist
couldn't have planed better. Destruction from within.
>
> I love doing it day after day.
What, going blind?
>
>
> >> "FAITH" doesn't lend itself to empirical evidence, therefore making it
> >> moot when government is involved.
> >
> >Oh there is plenty of evidence which you 'choose' not to accept.
>
> No, it's not evidence, it's belief (of yours)
We've been over this so there's no use to go over it again.
>
> That is not factual, and has NO evidentiary value.
Make your choices wisely. Your future depends on factual choice and good
planning
CB
--
When did a lack of money and accomplishment become a mark of virtue?"
--Ann Coulter