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Joseph Merlino

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Sep 9, 1994, 4:14:06 PM9/9/94
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I'd almost be tempted to support this provided that the amendment abolishing
slavery also remained intact.

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Bob Cathar

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Sep 9, 1994, 1:35:04 PM9/9/94
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Here is the most PC event in the history of the world!

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From the Foundation of America 1-800-REFOUND


W A N T Y O U R C O U N T R Y B A C K
---------------------------------------------
R E F O U N D I N G A M E N D M E N T


Freedom Is Within Our Reach

"The Refounding Amendment": An Initiave To Refound America

The People within each State have the power to change the
direction of America:
A change so great that we will save our country
---------------------------------------------------------

An Initiave To Refound America
-------------------------------

The people within each State have the right to refound America!

The Declaration of Independence states when government no longer
protects the rights of the people--

"...it is the right of the people to alter or
to abolish it, and institute new
government...when a long train of abuses and
usurpations, pursuing invariably the same
objective, evinces a design to reduce them
under absolute despotism, it is their right,
it is their duty, to throw off such
government, and to provide new guards for
their security."

There is no need to declare another Declaration of
Independence, to fight another Revolutionary War,
or to write another constitution.
Our Founding Fathers and ancestors have
provided all these for us.

We must take a stand upon these past occurrences. These
documents establish our foundation and argument for bringing
forth "The Refounding Amendment".


The Means By Which We Will Refound America
-------------------------------------------

"The Refounding Amendment" is both the name of the initiative
itself as well as the amendment contained within the initiative.

When thirty-eight States approve this initiative and ratify this
amendment, America is refounded.


"Refounding America"
--------------------

* The federal government will be completely discharged and all
its related agencies dissolved.

* A new federal government will be reinstituted AS PRESCRIBED by
the Constitution.

* All amendments to the Constitution following
the Bill of Rights will be repealed.

* The Constitutional components of the repealed amendments are
specifically reinstated within "The Refounding Amendment".

* The Refounding Amendment will be established as
the eleventh amendment

* The proper role of the constitution and the proper role of
government will be restored.


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"I am persuaded myself that the good sense
of the people will always be the best army.
they may be led astray for a moment, but
will soon correct themselves."

--Thomas Jefferson--1787

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The Solution
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"The Refounding Amendment" frames the problems in terms of a
specific solution.

1. When this initiative is approved by this State, we the people
of this State agree to refound America.

2. When thirty-seven other states also approve this initiative,
and ratify the amendment, America is refounded.

3. When America is refounded WE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA will put
in place this, "The Refounding Amendment", as the eleventh
amendment to our federal Constitution: The new guard spoken
of in the Declaration of Independence.


"The Refounding Amendment" Will...

Save Our Country

Restore Our Constitution

Free the American People

THE TIME IS NOW!


Help Refound America...
-----------------------

The Foundation of America requires no formal membership. Our
organization consists of people choosing to support

"The Refounding Amendment" and other positive actions being
taken to save America.

The Refounders of this great nation, are Citizens dedicated to
America's sovereignty and the Constitution.

We Invite you to be a Refounder, to reclaim your State and bring
forth the resurrection of a free and prosperous nation
once again.

The Foundation of America consists of the citizens support and
their sponsorship of "The Refounding Amendment".

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The following tools are available by donation only, so you can
inform others of "The Refounding Amendment":

Refounding Amendment

Handouts--4 pages (8 1/2 x 11) .....100 / $10.oo

Pamphlets--single sheet.............100 / $ 7.oo

Audio Tapes...............................$ 5.oo

Bulk orders are available OR copy them yourselves.


Send orders and donations to:

The Foundation of America
2303 North 44th Street
Plaza 14-2000
Phoenix, Arizona 85008

voice (602)-922-2803 / FAX (602) 274-7247

Toll-Free information 1-800-REFOUND

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HINTS: Send a copy of "The Refounding Amendment" to your
elected "leaders." Show them where you stand!
Show them their future.
^^^^^ ^^^^^^

All you patriots in cyberspace: Get the electronic text of
"The Refounding Amendment" and put it into as many FTP sites
as you can.

Post this brochure as widely as you dare.

E-mail it to your friends, contacts, and fellow patriots

God Bless America!
--
--Bob "Don't Tread On Me"

U41...@uicvm.uic.edu

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Sep 10, 1994, 4:52:33 PM9/10/94
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In article <34rr1d$b...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rbk...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (king robin
b) says:

>
>fi...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Cathar) writes:
>
>>"The Refounding Amendment": An Initiave To Refound America
>>The People within each State have the power to change the
>>direction of America:
>>A change so great that we will save our country
>
>>[Very interesting proposal to restore the Constitution, deleted]
>
>Bob, if you didn't already have an FBI file, I can assure you that
>you have one now. Where do you get off posting something like that?
>What do you think this is, a free country that has free speech?
Interestingly in this context though, is that this wouldn't be a free
country with free speech (at least not as we think of it) if his Amendment
passed, since there is nothing in the Bill of Rights which places any limits
on what speech the States outlaw (and how the State's police forces enforce
those laws.) I take it the main purpose of the refounding is to do away
with the 14th Amendment which is the one that makes this a free country
in the manner you speak of. I'm guessing that taking away voting rights
is just an incidental effect.
On the plus side though many states have corallaries to the first
Amendment and many more would pass them if they had to. But the
Refounding Amendment would effectively kill the Second Amendment.
So it wouldn't be all bad. (Who knows maybe it is not a simpleminded
approach to solving complicated national problems, but rather just a
clever way to slip around the NRA.
Lon
>
>I'm with ya partner, just keep your powder dry.
>
>Robin

Jeff Billman

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Sep 9, 1994, 8:54:35 PM9/9/94
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Yes, friends, in the 200+ years of this country we have progressed from
the Great Compromise to the Great Platitude. Am I alone in noticing that
this "amendment" proposed not one single idea to improve the United
States other than the statement "well, things ain't runnin' too good now,
so let's change 'em!" [insert "Dumb Guy" voice a la David Letterman here]
--
Jeff Billman jbi...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu Bowling Green State Univ.
"Please file three copies of this electronic e-mail message in triplicate
as per the guidelines set forth by the Bureau of Redundancy Department,
which implemented these procedures."

king robin b

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Sep 10, 1994, 4:33:49 AM9/10/94
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fi...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bob Cathar) writes:

>"The Refounding Amendment": An Initiave To Refound America
>The People within each State have the power to change the
>direction of America:
>A change so great that we will save our country

>[Very interesting proposal to restore the Constitution, deleted]

Bob, if you didn't already have an FBI file, I can assure you that
you have one now. Where do you get off posting something like that?
What do you think this is, a free country that has free speech?

I'm with ya partner, just keep your powder dry.

Robin

U41...@uicvm.uic.edu

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Sep 11, 1994, 1:54:28 PM9/11/94
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In article <34uj1n$s...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rbk...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (king robin
b) says:
>
><U41...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <34rr1d$b...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rbk...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (king n
>robi

>>b) says:
>>>Bob, if you didn't already have an FBI file, I can assure you that
>>>you have one now. Where do you get off posting something like that?
>>>What do you think this is, a free country that has free speech?
>
>> Interestingly in this context though, is that this wouldn't be a free
>>country with free speech (at least not as we think of it) if his Amendment
>>passed.......
>
>> [Thoughtful but flawed analysis of the proposal, deleted]
>
>Your essay is built upon a rather strange assumption, and that is that
>the national government is only capable of good and that the State
>governments are only capable of evil. If that is true, then why is
>the national government almost singularly responsible for the massive
>rise in statism that we have witnessed in the post-Civil War era in
>general and the post-WWII era in particular?
>
>The intent of this exercise is to *increase* liberty, not *decrease* it.
Why would you delete my argument and then pretend to criticize a particular
premise of it. The claim I made in the argument was that if we followed the
procedure called for in the Amendment (namely erasing the Amendments 11 and
up with I assume special emphasis on 14 which is the one that shifts the
balance of sovereignty from the States to the Federal Government, then the
Bill of Rights would no longer apply to the States as they did not before
the 14th Amendment. This is not based on any assumption about the one
level of government being all good and the other being all bad, it is
about pretending that we can get rid of the bad parts of the federal
without losing the good parts, and the protections guarenteed by the Bill
of Rights plus the 14th Amendment are undoubtedly part of the good parts.
I can accept that the writer intends to increase freedom (although I would
have more respect for his intelligence if he was just running a swindle to
make money on his pamphlets) but that doesn't mean his proposal would in
fact increase freedom. Similarly I believe that the Liberatarians who argue
for term limits intend to decrease the size of government, but this intention
does not change the fact that the most likely outcome of such a move would
be an increase in the power of the bureaucracy which has never been for
small government. I can respect intentions, but once the law is passed
it is the laws of nature that matter not the intentions of the people who
fought for the law. Otherwise Communism would be a good deal better
political system than it actually is.
Lon

>
>Robin

king robin b

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Sep 11, 1994, 5:35:51 AM9/11/94
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<U41...@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>In article <34rr1d$b...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, rbk...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (king robin
>b) says:
>>Bob, if you didn't already have an FBI file, I can assure you that
>>you have one now. Where do you get off posting something like that?
>>What do you think this is, a free country that has free speech?

> Interestingly in this context though, is that this wouldn't be a free
>country with free speech (at least not as we think of it) if his Amendment

>passed.......

> [Thoughtful but flawed analysis of the proposal, deleted]

Your essay is built upon a rather strange assumption, and that is that
the national government is only capable of good and that the State
governments are only capable of evil. If that is true, then why is
the national government almost singularly responsible for the massive
rise in statism that we have witnessed in the post-Civil War era in
general and the post-WWII era in particular?

The intent of this exercise is to *increase* liberty, not *decrease* it.

Robin

Greg Banerian

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Sep 12, 1994, 11:54:03 AM9/12/94
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Joseph Merlino writes:
>I'd almost be tempted to support this provided that the amendment abolishing
>slavery also remained intact.

The amendment abolishing slavery is in direct contradiction of the
government's ability to levy taxes. In effect, the government (fed,
state, local, or whatever) enslaves the income-earning populace. And
typically, the more you earn, the more they enslave you.

Greg Banerian
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