Team Obama's Indefensible Decision To Try GITMO Terrorists In NY
Angela Marsh
Team Obama's Indefensible Decision To Try GITMO Terrorists In NY Federal
Court
By WILLIAM MAYER
November 13, 2009 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - At this
point, less than a quarter into this sorry administration's first and
hopefully, last term, it's getting increasingly difficult to summon the
amount of outrage any of its actions might seem to demand, no matter how
egregious the offense might be...the supply of bile and angst allotted
to each individual being finite.
Be that as it may, today's announcement by the U.S. Justice Dept. that
it would bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [KSM] and four of his brethren to
New York to stand trial in federal court, afforded the same rights as
any American citizen, represents a threat that justifiably can be called
existential to this republic.
What could possibly motivate Obama to make such a move? Doesn't he have
enough problems on his plate already without opening what might prove to
be the mother of all cans of worms?
As is usually the case, when Andy McCarthy [the former federal
prosecutor who put away the "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman, the
spiritual leader of the first (1993) plot to bomb the World Trade
Center] weighs in on topics concerning terrorism he invariably provides
a level of insight only available to those who have in the trenches with
the jihadis.
McCarthy reasons that the DOJ's decision is all about paying deference
to the hard left [with whom both Holder and Obama are ideologically
aligned] by eschewing the military tribunal proceeding [where KSM and
his cohorts were ready to plead guilty] and instead treating the
terrorists as if they had been caught holding up your corner 7-11,
rather than having planned and executed an act of war which killed 3,000
Americans.
"So: We are now going to have a trial that never had to happen for
defendants who have no defense. And when defendants have no defense for
their own actions, there is only one thing for their lawyers to do: put
the government on trial in hopes of getting the jury (and the media)
spun up over government errors, abuses and incompetence. That is what is
going to happen in the trial of KSM et al. It will be a soapbox for al-
Qaeda's case against America. Since that will be their "defense," the
defendants will demand every bit of information they can get about
interrogations, renditions, secret prisons, undercover operations
targeting Muslims and mosques, etc., and - depending on what judge
catches the case - they are likely to be given a lot of it. The
administration will be able to claim that the judge, not the
administration, is responsible for the exposure of our defense secrets.
And the circus will be played out for all to see � in the middle of the
war" [source, Holder's Hidden Agenda, http://corner.nationalreview.com]
What could be better for the most committed leftist administration in
American history, than to have the opportunity to not only expose the
government to an onerous and extraordinarily dangerous discovery process
managed by attorneys acting on behalf of self-confessed terrorists, and
then have that information showcased in what will become perhaps the
most watched circus trial of any recent century, knowing that
information will reverberate throughout Europe, feeding the various
legal proceedings which are already well in motion against former Bush
administration officials?
The prospect of having the United States' most confidential national
security information, techniques and identity of human assets splattered
all over the front pages of the NY Times in this manner is unimaginably
injurious. So too, the very real possibility that [despite Holder's
claim that he will seek the death penalty] some of the worst terrorists
on the planet might avoid conviction altogether and be set free, if only
because U.S. intelligence [rightly] might choose not play ball, refusing
to disclose vital security information, regardless of its effect on the
trial's outcome.
Consider the James Yee non-prosecution for further elaboration on this
strategy.
Furthermore, since these members of the GITMO fraternity of Islamic
terror were gathered-up as part of a military action, a hot war, they
were not afforded, nor should they have been, any of the due process
considerations which are demanded in civilian settings.
Specifically KSM was interrogated roughly [it was adamantly not torture,
water boarded only once, not 183 times as the 'Net rumor mill suggests]
in a manner befitting [he deserved far harsher treatment, but he was a
cream-puff and cracked immediately] his actions and the continuing
threat he represents, a fact which in itself will make conviction
extremely dicey in that you can't treat civilians in that manner, ever.
This is of course why animals like KSM don't belong in the civilian
courts.
The next point is critical.
As Mr. McCarthy explains, what gives the lie to the reasoning the
administration has put forward in this case, deciding to move the
prosecution out of the purview of the military, is that for all intents
and purposes KSM & Co. could already have been found guilty in a
military setting, taken out of the court room, lined up against a wall
and machine gunned.
Justice delayed, but justice rendered.
However Obama and Holder are refusing to take that route because they
and their ACLU accomplice's contempt for America's founding principles
would not be satiated with anything less than the now inevitable
upcoming public bloodletting.
If today's announcement [the bad news from DC always comes on Friday]
isn't enough to motivate what few sage heads remain, that extraordinary
actions must be taken to stop the Obama/Democrat/ACLU/Soros bund in its
tracks, we will only have ourselves to blame.
Devil's Advocate
NYC during the trials.
American Patriot
mmm-mmm-mmmm Barack Hussein Obama... the best liberal lawyers money can
buy...mmm...mmm.mmmm Constitutional rights for terrorists....mmm.mmm.mmm
"Angela Marsh" <Ang...@Southpark.Dis> wrote in message
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> And the circus will be played out for all to see - in the middle of the
None4U
"American Patriot" <pro...@home.com> wrote in message
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Its as planned. When the defendants are found innocent. they now have to be
released into American Society. Free to go to conduct their terrorist agenda
in the USA. Thats what was always planned.
Grand Mal
"Angela Marsh" <Ang...@Southpark.Dis> wrote in message
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>
> Team Obama's Indefensible Decision To Try GITMO Terrorists In NY Federal
> Court
Maybe you know a better way to get a capital conviction without creating
martyrs. Or maybe you don't care if America remains a target for 50 years or
so.
Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
of?
leg@sea
> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
> of?
>
EXECUTE THEM.
leg@sea
Ohio Lorain
41.4387 -82.1831
CenturyTel Internet Holdings
Devil's Advocate
> Its as planned. When the defendants are found innocent. they now
> have to be released into American Society. Free to go to conduct
> their terrorist agenda in the USA. Thats what was always planned.
I agree!
I think this administration is communist to the core, and WILL utterly
destroy this country unless stopped SOON.
RichTravsky
>
> AG Holder pardoned FALN terrorists...
> mmm-mmm-mmmm Barack Hussein Obama... the best liberal lawyers money can
> buy...mmm...mmm.mmmm Constitutional rights for terrorists....mmm.mmm.mmm
Lots of terrorists in US prisons mmm mmm !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_at_ADX_Florence
This is a list of prisoners at ADX Florence, the United States supermax federal
prison in Florence, Colorado. This list includes both former and current
prisoners:
...
> "Angela Marsh" <Ang...@Southpark.Dis> wrote in message
RichTravsky
On what grounds?
RT
leg@sea
You _so_ need to die with them, you vermin.
American Patriot
"None4U" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote in message
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American Patriot
"leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote in message
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American Patriot
Rumor had it the muslim terrorists involved with those school kids in Russia
were slaughtered and buried with pigs- but that was conveniently kept out of
the news.
There are ways to fight back and show we are just as crazy and intent on
survival instead of being "too civilized".
.
"Grand Mal" <iron...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tim Crowley
> "
> Its as planned. When the defendants are found innocent. they now have to be
> released into American Society. Free to go to conduct their terrorist agenda
> in the USA. Thats what was always planned.
K000k a D000dle D0.
hint: you're fucking nuts.
Iarnrod
That is what the federal court trial will end up with, kook.
It's just too funny to watch the rightards' heads explode at Obama's
proper decision to handle this the American way.
Devil's Advocate
> see how long they last outside the courtroom.........
The administration will of course spend millions to protect them.
leg@sea
Oh Creepy, time for your outing:
http://www.freespeechseattle.org/media/1999-07-22-stranger.shtml
July 9, Seattle Center officials banished Tim Crowley--who's pushing
I-46, an initiative to repeal Seattle's poster ban--from the 74-acre
property. Seattle Center security claimed Crowley had violated park
guidelines by displaying an anti-poster-ban sign [see "Cops Ban Poster
Guy," In Other News, July 15]. He was told to stay out for a year.
While working the crowd for signatures, Crowley took a "Yes on I-46"
sign and placed it in a tree near stage left of the Mural
Amphitheater. Two people wearing shirts that read "staff" approached
him and told him he had to take the sign down. He asked why. They said
it was against the rules. "What rules?" he asked.
They didn't answer. A third staffer showed up and informed Crowley
that people have to pay to display signs at Seattle Center. He ordered
Crowley to take his sign down, and Crowley refused. The staffer then
took the sign down himself, and Crowley ripped it out of his hands.
The police--who operate a cop shop on Seattle Center
grounds--responded immediately, confiscating the campaign sign and
ordering Crowley to come with them. The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron
Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of control," and had better do what
he was told. Wilson and two other cops escorted Crowley back to their
office, where they filled out a card with his name, address, and date
of birth, and informed him that he couldn't return to Seattle Center
for a year. Crowley asked for a copy of the card, but the police
refused.
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=1559
The cop in charge, Sergeant Ron Wilson, told Crowley he was "out of
control," and had better do what he was told. Wilson and two other
cops escorted Crowley back to their office, where they filled out a
card with his name, address, and date of birth, and informed him that
he couldn't return to Seattle Center for a year.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynter/payn205.shtml
Crowley, who lives on Capitol Hill, says he was gassed in his home
by
"rampaging police" last year and wants an assurance it won't happen
again. He claims the message being broadcast by the mayor and police
is that the city is prepared to do its worst to silence the citizens
of Seattle.
Heaving a sigh, Lilly called that kind of talk "really, really
disappointing." Of course, people are free to turn out with signs for
labor, the environment, social justice, whatever the cause, he said.
http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/ethics/el99a/report/filings/bi_fss/s99072...
1999 Seattle Election Information
Filings - Disclosure Reports
Free Speech Seattle (YES)
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leg@sea
> On Nov 14, 12:49 pm, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>> Grand Mal wrote:
>>> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
>>> of?
>> EXECUTE THEM.
>
> That is
STFU cunt, you die next.
Iarnrod
ESAD, kook. You'll be sporting a third eye.
leg@sea
> On Nov 16, 10:35 am, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>> Iarnrod wrote:
>>> On Nov 14, 12:49 pm, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>>>> Grand Mal wrote:
>>>>> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
>>>>> of?
>>>> EXECUTE THEM.
>>> That is
>> ST....
>
> E
DIE!
leg@sea
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Colorado Denver
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Denver, CO 80203
Iarnrod
Last time it was on Pearl Street. Make up your mind, kook.
C'mon down and receive my special greeting.
Iarnrod
> Iarnrod wrote:
> > On Nov 16, 10:35 am, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
> >> Iarnrod wrote:
> >>> On Nov 14, 12:49 pm, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
> >>>> Grand Mal wrote:
> >>>>> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
> >>>>> of?
> >>>> EXECUTE THEM.
> >>> That is
> >> ST....
>
> > E
>
Please stop abusing drugs,
leg@sea
Ding!
leg@sea
> On Nov 16, 11:23 am, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>> Iarnrod wrote:
>>> On Nov 16, 10:35 am, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>>>> Iarnrod wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 14, 12:49 pm, "leg@sea" <l...@sea.way> wrote:
>>>>>> Grand Mal wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
>>>>>>> of?
>>>>>> EXECUTE THEM.
>>>>> That is
>>>> ST....
>>> E
>> D...
>
> Please
Ding!
Iarnrod
I think you meant dong, kook. <snicker>
squirltop
Devil's Advocate wrote:
> "None4U" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote :
>
> > Its as planned. When the defendants are found innocent. they now
> > have to be released into American Society. Free to go to conduct
> > their terrorist agenda in the USA. Thats what was always planned.
Oh is that what gave Bush such great approval ratings sympathy and
support from the world, letting terrorist attacks happen?
Bet that wouldn't happen with a Democrat would it. Something to do
withg reversed expectations or something. huh?
>
>
> I agree!
>
> I think this administration is communist to the core, and WILL utterly
> destroy this country unless stopped SOON.
Trouble is you let the idiot Republican party do the thinking for you.
leg@sea
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RichTravsky
>
> RichTravsky wrote:
> > "leg@sea" wrote:
> >> Grand Mal wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there anything Obama could do about the Gitmo prisoners you would approve
> >>> of?
> >>>
> >> EXECUTE THEM.
> >
> > On what grounds?
> >
So you can't answer the question?
RichTravsky
Supermax ain't cheap.