Ten Days of Socialism-Day Six
Dionysus
(not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
socialism.
During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
well�and even hurts the people it is trying to help! It reduces incentives
for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
oppressive utopian ideas of �compassion� only imprison the welfare class
into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while California�s unemployment rate was
12.9%�55% higher than Texas. Who is doing a better job for its citizens,
including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
*********************
Merry Christmas.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
Freestyle
> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> socialism.
>
> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
> 12.9%—55% higher than Texas. Who is doing a better job for its citizens,
> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
> Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> *********************
> Merry Christmas.
>
> No Surrender!
>
> Dionysus
Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
Socialism pledge?
Put your money where your pie hole is.
I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
goods and services including but not limited to the following:
* Social Security
* Medicare/Medicaid
* State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
* Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
* US Postal Service
* Roads and Highway
* Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
* The US Railway System
* Public Subways and Metro Systems
* Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
* Rest Areas on Highways
* Sidewalks
* All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
2009federal senate appropriations–http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
* Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
* Public and State Universities and Colleges
* Public Primary and Secondary Schools
* Sesame Street
* Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
* Public Museums
* Libraries
* Public Parksand Beaches
* State and National Parks
* Public Zoos
* Unemployment Insurance
* Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
* Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
* Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
them)
* Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
* Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s
ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking
* Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed
With,
Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government
Subsidies
* Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That
Contain Inputs From Government Subsidies
* If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will
forego my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care
* I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in
Washington, D.C.
I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of
the following types of socialistlocations, including but not limited
to:
* Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of
American History
* The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
* The government-operated Statue of Liberty
* The Grand Canyon
* The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
* The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington
National Cemetery
* All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state
or in Washington, DC
I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their
government salary and government-provided healthcare.
I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore
socialist military of the United States of America.
I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as
GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics,
Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of
others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for
our socialist army.
I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon,
FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice
and their socialist employees.
Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist
Social Security checks.
Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own
private health insurance until I die.
SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________
IN THE YEAR ______________.
___________________________
Signed
John Galt
> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
>> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>> socialism.
>>
>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>
>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
>> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
>> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
>> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
>> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
>> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
>> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
>> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>> *********************
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> No Surrender!
>>
>> Dionysus
>
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
If you write one that adheres to the dictionary definition of
"socialism" (the following doesn't), I'll be glad to sign it.
JG
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
Dionysus
"Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas
> we
> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
> both
> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
> produces
> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> socialism.
>
> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
> on
> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
> and
> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example
> of
> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
> that
> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
> Milton
> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> *********************
> Merry Christmas.
>
> No Surrender!
>
> Dionysus
Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
Socialism pledge?
Put your money where your pie hole is.
****************
I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily, after all.
Merry Christmas.
Dionysus
I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
goods and services including but not limited to the following:
* Social Security
* Medicare/Medicaid
* State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
* Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
* US Postal Service
* Roads and Highway
* Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
* The US Railway System
* Public Subways and Metro Systems
* Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
* Rest Areas on Highways
* Sidewalks
* All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
* Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
* Public and State Universities and Colleges
* Public Primary and Secondary Schools
* Sesame Street
* Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
* Public Museums
* Libraries
* Public Parksand Beaches
* State and National Parks
* Public Zoos
* Unemployment Insurance
* Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
* Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
* Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
them)
* Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
* Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
Van Chocstraw
*FisherKing*
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>
> "Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:06877234-b15a-47b6...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>> feel (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>> Christmas we
>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and
>> liberalism-are both
>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>> produces
>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>> socialism.
>>
>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening
>> ornament on
>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>
>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers
>> as well�and even hurts the people it is trying to help! It reduces
>> incentives for productive activity of both the classes from whom the
>> money is taken and
>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from
>> a successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons
>> will become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a
>> classic example of
>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that
>> proves that
>> oppressive utopian ideas of �compassion� only imprison the welfare
>> class into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is
>> Texas vs. California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of
>> government while California has taken the liberal utopian route.
>> Texas, as of October 2009, had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while
>> California�s unemployment rate was 12.9%�55% higher than Texas. Who
>> is doing a better job for its citizens, including for the working
>> class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>> *********************
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> No Surrender!
>>
>> Dionysus
>
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
> ****************
> I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily,
> after all.
Just can't bring yourself to face reality, can you, Dennis?
Happy Holidays.
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
> Dionysus
>
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
--
"The better educated a person is, the less likely it is that person will
be a conservative."
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill
Dionysus
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> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in
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>>
>> "Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:06877234-b15a-47b6...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.
>> .. On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>>> feel (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>>> Christmas we
>>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and
>>> liberalism-are both
>>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>>> produces
>>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>>> socialism.
>>>
>>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening
>>> ornament on
>>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>>
>>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers
>>> incentives for productive activity of both the classes from whom the
>>> money is taken and
>>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from
>>> a successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons
>>> will become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a
>>> classic example of
>>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that
>>> proves that
>>> class into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is
>>> Texas vs. California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of
>>> government while California has taken the liberal utopian route.
>>> Texas, as of October 2009, had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while
>>> is doing a better job for its citizens, including for the working
>>> class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>>> *********************
>>> Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>> No Surrender!
>>>
>>> Dionysus
>>
>>
>> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
>> Socialism pledge?
>> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>> ****************
>> I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily,
>> after all.
>
> Just can't bring yourself to face reality, can you, Dennis?
Hey, look everyone; it's Fish Breath. How ya doin', Fishy? They give you a
weekend pass, or did ya'll sneak out again?
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
Or, in Tiger's Woods' verbiage, "Ho, ho, ho."
No Surrender!
Dionysus
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
>
>>
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Dionysus
>>
>>
>> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
>> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
>> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>>
>>
>> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>>
>> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
>> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
>> * Social Security
>> * Medicare/Medicaid
>> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
>> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
>> * US Postal Service
>> * Roads and Highway
>> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
>> * The US Railway System
>> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
>> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
>> * Rest Areas on Highways
>> * Sidewalks
>> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
>> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
>> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
>> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
>> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
>> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
>> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
>> * Sesame Street
>> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
>> * Public Museums
>> * Libraries
>> * Public Parksand Beaches
>> * State and National Parks
>> * Public Zoos
>> * Unemployment Insurance
>> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
>> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
>> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
>> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
>> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
>> them)
>> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
>> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
>> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
mani deli
power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
public.
In 1989, at Stockholm, the 18th Congress of the Socialist
International adopted a new Declaration of Principles, saying that
Democratic socialism is an international movement for freedom, social
justice, and solidarity. Its goal is to achieve a peaceful world where
these basic values can be enhanced and where each individual can live
a meaningful life with the full development of his or her personality
and talents, and with the guarantee of human and civil rights in a
democratic framework of society.
The objectives of the Party of European Socialists, the European
Parliament's socialist bloc, are now "to pursue international aims in
respect of the principles on which the European Union is based, namely
principles of freedom, equality, solidarity, democracy, respect of
Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and respect for the Rule of
Law."
Day Brown
> "Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates
> power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
> capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
> unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
> maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
> resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
> public.
This ignores the vast majority of hominids that like to gamble. They
will tolerate the excesses of the rich in the hopes that they too, one
way or other, mite yet become rich. Its why they buy lottery tickets.
You want them to quit playing the game. Forget it.
But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards the
rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take from the
winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater egalitarianism,
then increase the cut for the house in the form of higher taxes on the
rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only makes sense to raise
taxes on the people who actually have the money.
Which is the rich.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>"Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates
>power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
>capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
>unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
>maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
>resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
>public.
Most socialists are jealous, envious, lazy failures.
>In 1989, at Stockholm, the 18th Congress of the Socialist
>International adopted a new Declaration of Principles, saying that
>Democratic socialism is an international movement for freedom, social
>justice, and solidarity. Its goal is to achieve a peaceful world where
>these basic values can be enhanced and where each individual can live
>a meaningful life
Who defines "meaningful" life, the State?
>with the full development of his or her personality
>and talents, and with the guarantee of human and civil rights in a
>democratic framework of society.
We already have that.
zzbu...@netscape.net
It's physically impossible to boycott GE's products.
That's why the people with non-zero brains invented Atomic Clock
Wristwatches,
Light Sticks, Holograms, Microcomputers, Desktop Publishing, GPS,
The 21st Century, Drones,
Phalanx, HDTV, Home Broadband, mp3, mpeg, Blue Ray, Digital Terrain
Mapping,
USB, Digital Books, XML, The 21st Century, Compact Flourescent
Lighting,
Self-Replicating Machines, GPS, Cyber Batteries, The History
Channel,
and Self-Assembling Robots, rather than idiot New York City.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics,
> Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of
> others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for
> our socialist army.
>
> I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon,
> FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice
> and their socialist employees.
>
> Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist
> Social Security checks.
>
> Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own
> private health insurance until I die.
>
> SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________
> IN THE YEAR ______________.
>
> ___________________________
> Signed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Topaz
Capitalism and Communism are both bad. The problem with
capitalism is that it puts no special value on people. Capitalism is
based on supply and demand. A capitalist company that made potato
chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
According to capitalist theory people must compete to see who
will work for the least pennies per hour. They say everyone must
compete with the people in Mexico and China to see who will work for
the fewest pennies. If a company makes billions in profit while paying
its employees starvation wages that is perfectly fine. At least the
sacred laws of supply and demand are not violated. If the people die
of starvation that is fine too. You can always get more people. If
there is not enough work for everyone to do then they think people
need to die off. Ebenezer Scrooge did everything right according to
the capitalists and followed the beliefs and values of capitalism.
The apologists for the Scrooges correctly point out that
people only start business for a profit. Of course that is true.
Anyone can see that communism is a big mistake. But wouldn't people
start the business for only millions in profits rather than billions?
What if there were laws that made sure working people got a reasonable
share of the profit? Would that be so terrible?
In a hypothetical case suppose technology progressed so far that
all
the work were done by machines. Huge farms gathering food and all
automated. You would think everything would be great, but under
capitalism the people would starve because there wouldn't be enough
jobs.
Capitalists oppose welfare and say that orphans and other needy
people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue? If
there was no welfare then the charitable people would have to pay for
everything while most people would not pay one thin dime. We have
welfare so people all pay their fair share. It is part of having
civilization.
We have many laws that make things better for people.
There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
to be as greedy as possible.There are laws that keep people from
getting ripped off when they buy a house. Capitalism is against that.
Capitalism is bad for people.
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zzbu...@netscape.net
> Capitalism and Communism are both bad. The problem with
> capitalism is that it puts no special value on people. Capitalism is
> based on supply and demand. A capitalist company that made potato
> chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
> and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
> value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
> the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
That's true, but it's also why the Capitalists with brains
discovered Salt Shakers,
rather than salt mines, and discovered Hash Browns, rather than
Labor,
and discovered DNA, rather than Potatoe Blight, and discovered
Umbrellas,
Microwave Ovens, Digital Computers, and Laser Disks, rather than
heat stroke.
Frito Pendejo
The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
For example, Chairman Obama has announced he will only raise
taxes on those making over $250,000, 'rich' by today's
standards. At the same time the government is printing new
money to pay for all the new spending, devaluing the dollar in
the process and causing inflation.
Within a decade, $250k will be a very modest salary, with
perhaps 50% of Americans earning more than this compared with
the 5% today. Although the value of the salary has declined,
the tax remains the same. Since more people are subject to the
tax, government revenues increase, even after being adjusted for
inflation.
This is a useful accounting trick, since revenues and budgets
are forecast decades in advance for long-term programs like
Social Security and now Obamacare. The figures we are fed for
Obamacare seem to include a very small tax increase in the
short-term, but in the long-term the tax will increase
dramatically as nearly every American's income reaches the
threshold for taxation.
Topaz
>
> That's true, but it's also why the Capitalists with brains
>discovered Salt Shakers,
> rather than salt mines, and discovered Hash Browns, rather than
>Labor,
> and discovered DNA, rather than Potatoe Blight, and discovered
>Umbrellas,
> Microwave Ovens, Digital Computers, and Laser Disks, rather than
>heat stroke.
>
That has nothing to do with capitalism. Henry Ford did as much or more
but he paid his workers much more than he needed to.
We do need to keep a lot of incentive to invent new things. But
consider the nature of money. If you have ten million, then another
ten million doesn't improve your lifestyle. But if you are struggling
to survive a few hundred improves your lifestlye.
We don't need a system where mere supply and demand divides up the
money. We don't need capitalism. It results in the few very rich and
the many very poor.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:24:02 -0800 (PST), "zzbun...@netscape.net"
>
> <zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > That's true, but it's also why the Capitalists with brains
> >discovered Salt Shakers,
> > rather than salt mines, and discovered Hash Browns, rather than
> >Labor,
> > and discovered DNA, rather than Potatoe Blight, and discovered
> >Umbrellas,
> > Microwave Ovens, Digital Computers, and Laser Disks, rather than
> >heat stroke.
>
> That has nothing to do with capitalism. Henry Ford did as much or more
> but he paid his workers much more than he needed to.
Nobody claimed he didn't. The idiot Republicans are just
reminded that the people who understand post Flint Manufacturing
work on Self-Replicating Machines and Compact Flourescent Lighting,
rather than Assembling Lines. They work on GPS, Digital Terrain
Mapping,
and Post Chyrsler Transmissions. They work on Digital Books, Laser
Disks,
and Post ACME ranting They work on Cell Phones, Microcomputers.
DSP, PGP,
USB, XML, and Post RCA Routing. They work on Weather Satellites,
Data Fusion,
Holographics, and Post Model A Wheel Wells. They work on Post Akron
Photo Ops, HDTV, Home Broadband, Desktop Publishing, and Rapid-
Prototyping.
Day Brown
> Day Brown wrote:
>> But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards
>> the rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take
>> from the winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater
>> egalitarianism, then increase the cut for the house in the form of
>> higher taxes on the rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only
>> makes sense to raise taxes on the people who actually have the money.
>>
>> Which is the rich.
>
> The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
> eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
the rate of inflation as they already do Social Security benefits.
Whatever the value of money is, its the top 1% of the income levels who
will have the most CASH to pay with the least effect on consumer
spending, which I am told is what runs the economy.
Now, if the top 1% kept more of their income and invested it- in US
enterprises rather than East Asian, then employment would rise, rather
than, as we see, investment money flowing out of the economy to Asia,
where it creates jobs that compete with American workers. Surely you are
smart enuf to figure this out. I dunno why you need me to tell you.
Now, I'm all for cutting Social Security benefits to what the taxpayers,
be they rich or not, can afford. But I dont see any way to get that thru
congress. And if this leads to a total crash of the economy, very well
then, we'll adjust entitlements the old fashioned way- using revolution
to eliminate them.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> Frito Pendejo wrote:
> > Day Brown wrote:
> >> But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards
> >> the rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take
> >> from the winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater
> >> egalitarianism, then increase the cut for the house in the form of
> >> higher taxes on the rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only
> >> makes sense to raise taxes on the people who actually have the money.
>
> >> Which is the rich.
>
> > The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
> > eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
>
> That assumes the system cannot figure out how to index the taxes with
> the rate of inflation as they already do Social Security benefits.
>
> Whatever the value of money is, its the top 1% of the income levels who
> will have the most CASH to pay with the least effect on consumer
> spending, which I am told is what runs the economy.
But, that's impossible. Since the only thing the top 1% even know
about transportation is ships, so the 21st Centuries keep saying
that they invented high altitude satellites, rather than
battleships.
They discovered GPS, rather than the Northwest Passage.
They invented AI-Enhanced UAVs, rather than ASDIC.
They discovered Phalanx, Drones, Digital Terrain Mapping, Data
Fusion,
and Cyber Batteries rather than Madagasgar.
They discovered Pv Cell Energy, HDTV, and Hybrid-Electric Energy
rather than Lobster Traps.
They invented Atomic Clock Wristwatches, Holographics, and
Distributed Processing Software, rather than Radar.
They invented Self-Replicating Machines, and Desktop Publishing,
rather than
the Brooklyn Navy Yard. They invented Digital Books, Blue Ray,
Home Broadband
and Self-Assembling Robots, rather than Welding 101.
f. barnes
You are an idiot. Some is good does not imply that more is better.
That "pledge", the idea of that "pledge", is just silly. What are
you, fourteen?
Dionysus
"f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:a77c6d03-d0ff-4dac...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 19 2009, 9:36 am, Freestyle <brist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
> > feel
> > (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
> > Christmas we
> > will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
> > both
> > immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
> > produces
> > better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> > socialism.
>
> > During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
> > on
> > the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> > 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> > for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
> > and
> > to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> > successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> > become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic
> > example of
> > failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
> > that
> > into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> > California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> > California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October
> > 2009,
> > including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
> > Milton
> > Friedman on the Phil Donahue
> > show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> > *********************
> > Merry Christmas.
>
> > No Surrender!
>
> > Dionysus
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
**********
I'm guessing nine, with the help of an adult molester.
No surrender!
Dionysus
zzbu...@netscape.net
> Day Brown wrote:
> > mani deli wrote:
> >> "Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates
> >> power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
> >> capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
> >> unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
> >> maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
> >> resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
> >> public.
>
> > This ignores the vast majority of hominids that like to gamble. They
> > will tolerate the excesses of the rich in the hopes that they too, one
> > way or other, mite yet become rich. Its why they buy lottery tickets.
> > You want them to quit playing the game. Forget it.
>
> > But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards the
> > rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take from the
> > winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater egalitarianism,
> > then increase the cut for the house in the form of higher taxes on the
> > rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only makes sense to raise
> > taxes on the people who actually have the money.
>
> > Which is the rich.
>
> The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
> eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
Since the only thing the rich are interested in is estate taxes,
that's why the pnly people who even work for them are
Pyramid Builders. And since the thing politicians are
interested in is speach writers for the Big Oil, that's why
the only people who work for them are derative traders.
And since the only thing derivative traders are
interested in string theory cranks, that's why the only
people who work for them is 7-11.
>
> For example, Chairman Obama has announced he will only raise
> taxes on those making over $250,000, 'rich' by today's
> standards. At the same time the government is printing new
> money to pay for all the new spending, devaluing the dollar in
> the process and causing inflation.
>
> Within a decade, $250k will be a very modest salary, with
> perhaps 50% of Americans earning more than this compared with
> the 5% today. Although the value of the salary has declined,
> the tax remains the same. Since more people are subject to the
> tax, government revenues increase, even after being adjusted for
> inflation.
>
> This is a useful accounting trick, since revenues and budgets
> are forecast decades in advance for long-term programs like
> Social Security and now Obamacare. The figures we are fed for
> Obamacare seem to include a very small tax increase in the
> short-term, but in the long-term the tax will increase
> dramatically as nearly every American's income reaches the
> threshold for taxation.- Hide quoted text -
Beam Me Up Scotty
> In article <E9-dnTQMgtqIJKLW...@giganews.com>,
> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote:
>
>> "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>> news:a77c6d03-d0ff-4dac...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 19 2009, 9:36 am, Freestyle <brist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>>>> feel
>>>> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>>>> Christmas we
>>>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
>>>> both
>>>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>>>> produces
>>>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>>>> socialism.
>>>
>>>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
>>>> on
>>>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>>
>>>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
>>>> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
>>>> and
>>>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
>>>> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
>>>> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic
>>>> example of
>>>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
>>>> that
>>>> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
>>>> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
>>>> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October
>>>> 2009,
>>>> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
>>>> Milton
>>>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>>>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>>>> *********************
>>>> Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>>> No Surrender!
>>>
>>>> Dionysus
>>>
>>> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
>>> Socialism pledge?
>>> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>>>
>>> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
>>> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
>>> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>>>
>>> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>>>
>>> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
>>> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
>>> * Social Security
>>> * Medicare/Medicaid
>>> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
>>> * US Postal Service
>>> * Roads and Highway
>>> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
>>> * The US Railway System
>>> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
>>> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
>>> * Rest Areas on Highways
>>> * Sidewalks
>>> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
>>> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
>>> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
>>> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
>>> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
>>> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
>>> * Sesame Street
>>> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
>>> * Public Museums
>>> * Libraries
>>> * Public Parksand Beaches
>>> * State and National Parks
>>> * Public Zoos
>>> * Unemployment Insurance
>>> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
>>> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
>>> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
>>> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
>>> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
>>> them)
>>> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
>>> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
The problem is that these socialist plans have been deducting money from
our paychecks.
Do we right off that money as stolen by the Socialists in government?