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Trace

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May 17, 2008, 2:47:47 AM5/17/08
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Take your pick because you can't have both.

As we are increasingly aware, handing your security over to government
is a dangerous thing to do because government never controls itself.
It forever seeks to gain total control and power over everything.
This simple rule has been seen throughout history, and unfortunately,
it is still true of our state, national and local governments.

Can you think up a reason why our founding fathers spent so much time
and effort on producing a Bill of Rights and Constitution?

Maybe they were closer to the fire than we are today. Maybe they
lived through exposure to Big Government and all its tyrannical ways.
Maybe we had better wake up before we are so secure, we have no
freedom left.

ffr...@mailandnews.com

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May 17, 2008, 4:02:19 AM5/17/08
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Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.

Jerk Y. Chainey

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May 17, 2008, 4:42:55 AM5/17/08
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On 17 May 2008, wrote:

> Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
> temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.
>

"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
-Ben Franklin

trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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May 17, 2008, 9:24:46 AM5/17/08
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War on Terror = the Forever War
Perhaps Big Brother needs more authority to extract confessions
out of citizens? Are you for it or against? Don't stress about it,
until local PD puts you in a stress position.

Zomby...@cox.net

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May 17, 2008, 11:05:09 AM5/17/08
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), ffr...@mailandnews.com
wrote:

The minute you do that the War on Terror is lost -- Whoops since we
already did why hasn't the White Flag been raised?

Ya see the entire purpose of Terrorism is to get a Government to make
these types of changes, which causes the people to loose faith in
their Government, which in turn forces a change in said Government.
All-in-all it appears to be working.

Personally I don't fly commercial aircraft anymore not because of
Terrorists, but because of being treated like one when I show up at
the Airport. If the people at the Airport are going to constantly be
asking me to "Show us your papers", they should at least be doing so
in a German accent!
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

Zomby...@cox.net

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May 17, 2008, 11:05:37 AM5/17/08
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Ben was wise, and a horny old goat.

Trace

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May 17, 2008, 4:31:44 PM5/17/08
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On May 17, 10:05 am, Zomby-W...@cox.net wrote:
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), ffra...@mailandnews.com

HAHA! I bet they are taking courses even now on how to sound German.
Call the CPS office and see if they don't answer with a German accent.

Hertz Donut

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May 17, 2008, 11:39:19 PM5/17/08
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"Jerk Y. Chainey" <je...@chainey.com> wrote in message
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Those that do not understand that you cannot have one without the other are
idiots.

Honu

Hertz Donut

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May 17, 2008, 11:40:33 PM5/17/08
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<trigonom...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you always been pig-ignorant, or is it something you had to work at to
achieve?

Honu

Jerk Y. Chainey

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May 18, 2008, 12:18:39 AM5/18/08
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Man, you look so pale and weak next to Ben.

Zomby...@cox.net

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May 18, 2008, 1:29:25 PM5/18/08
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Very easy to have Security without any liberties what so ever. Matter
of fact it is the easiest form of Security to implement.

Trace

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May 18, 2008, 8:14:10 PM5/18/08
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True. The ultimate level of security is solitary confinement, but you
can't find an opposite where the state is providing security, but you
have maximum liberty. That is why we must constantly fight government
for our rights to remain in place. If we stop pushing, our
governments will never stop and we will be crushed under the thumb of
tyranny.

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