Who benefits from high oil prices? Who doesn't?
Roedy Green
"impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still.
One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by
their hoarding cause it to rise.
At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
Who benefits by higher oil prices?
1. Exxon and friends. They made the highest profit of any corporation
in world history.
2. Everyone. Energy pigs refuse to cut back emissions unless whacked
very hard with high prices. High prices are a symptom the bastards
still have not had enough pain. They are just beginning to cut back.
3. sellers of devices to use energy more efficiently, including home
insulation, double pane windows, contractors, heat pump makers,
hybrid cars, electric cars, electric bikes ...
4. OPEC countries. They are siphoning money out of the USA.
5. Canada, a net oil producer. It needs high prices to cost justify
extracting the oil sands.
6. alternative energy. Solar, wind, tide, geothermal...
Who is hurt by higher oil prices?
1. manufacturers. They need energy for manufacturing and transport.
Customers have less disposable income since it is going for energy and
food. There is less left over for manufactured goods.
2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer
goods are all more expensive.
3. SUV sellers and owners. They cost too much to run, and the resale
value has plummeted. New SUV sales are dropping.
4. farmers. They have higher costs for tractor fuel and fertilisers
(made for petrochemicals), and energy to pump water.
5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled
around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so
rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs and yachts that take $1000 of fuel
at a filling.
6. Tourism industry. The costs of travel by air or car mean more
folks will stay home or close to home.
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10x
<see_w...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>Oil hit $128 a barrel. Recall very recently it broke the $100
>"impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still.
>One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
>
>There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by
>their hoarding cause it to rise.
>
>At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global
warming. When hydrocarbons get more expensive, people use less and
conserve more.
You can NOT burn unlimited hydrocarbons and call for reductions in C02
emssions.
Anarchore
But you idiots want to tax Joe Average with the carbon tax while
letting the corporate polluters off the hook.
>
>3. SUV sellers and owners. They cost too much to run, and the resale
>value has plummeted. New SUV sales are dropping.
>
>4. farmers. They have higher costs for tractor fuel and fertilisers
>(made for petrochemicals), and energy to pump water.
>
>5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled
>around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so
>rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs
Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker
fruitcake!
Chom Noamsky
> Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker
> fruitcake!
I see more trucks and SUVs in the city than I do in rural Canada. A truck
or 4-wheel-drive is a necessity for some people in rural areas, in the city
it's all about image and status. I met a couple once who refused to drive
their $60,000 SUV (complete with winch, snorkel and heavy duty suspension
kit) on a gravel road because they were afraid it would get dust in the
ventilation ducts. These types don't own SUVs for practical reasons... it's
purely about copping a superficial image. Of course, this image is driven
by clever marketing from the auto industry.
Chrisb
While that is most certainly true, do you think this truck will see much
farm or offroad action?
Anarchore
> in rural Canada. A truck or 4-wheel-drive is a necessity for some
>people in rural areas, in the city it's all about image and status.
>I met a couple once who refused to drive their $60,000 SUV (complete
>with winch, snorkel and heavy duty suspension kit) on a gravel road
>because they were afraid it would get dust in the ventilation ducts.
>These types don't own SUVs for practical reasons... it's purely about
>copping a superficial image. Of course, this image is driven by
>clever marketing from the auto industry.
Too many people have easy money these days. The poor have more
humanity and know what is valuable. When the fall comes the 'rich'
saps will hit rock bottom all the harder.
Keon
the cashier was blad too!
More proof that the neo-Nazi Skin Heads are behind it!
Roedy Green
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global
>warming.
"It is a ill wind that blows nobody good". I am quite sure Mr. Bush
did this either out of incompetence or at the request of Exxon to help
their profits. That he did it to help global warming strikes me as
laughable from such as strong anti-environmentalist.
It is probably his greatest achievement.
Roedy Green
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer
>>goods are all more expensive.
>
>But you idiots want to tax Joe Average with the carbon tax while
>letting the corporate polluters off the hook.
Nope. If demand exceeds supply, prices are going to go up and up.
Who gets the money? Either the government gets it or Exxon gets it.
If the government gets it, via a carbon tax, they have the option of
reducing other taxes. If Exxon gets it, its gone.
Some of the carbon tax plans are revenue neutral. Pigs pay.
Conservers get paid.
Roedy Green
or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled
>>around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so
>>rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs
>
>Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker
>fruitcake!
"need" is a harsh word. People in rural areas in the rest of the
world get by without trucks and SUVs. People just bomb around in
these things for something to do. That sort of wasteful use of the
vehicles will be curtailed. Most of the time a much more efficient
vehicle would do. Technology can make a much more fuel efficient
truck. People just don't give a fuck about the effects on the planet.
Perhaps when gas prices double, they will.
Such vehicles used for farming will just pass the costs on to the
customers.
Marinus van der Lubbe
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:56:08 GMT, 10x <10x@teluös.net> wrote, quoted
> or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global
>> warming.
>
> "It is a ill wind that blows nobody good". I am quite sure Mr. Bush
> did this either out of incompetence or at the request of Exxon to help
> their profits. That he did it to help global warming strikes me as
> laughable from such as strong anti-environmentalist.
There is always coal subsidies, $2 billion.
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/powersystems/cleancoal/
Can you imagine them doing that with solar?
Well, they did, but $14 million, and it was for research, by
corporations. So if the corporate researchers find something, they will
patent it. Public wealth, private profits, the usual.
> It is probably his greatest achievement.
Maybe that will be his destroying the Repug party. If only he could take
out the Repub-lite party too, he would be renown throughout time as the
savior of democracy!
Anarchore
The end result of punitive carbon tax; offload the cost on the public
and the burden to the poor.
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10x
>"Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote in message:
>
>> Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker
>> fruitcake!
>
>I see more trucks and SUVs in the city than I do in rural Canada
That is because the Lbierals let the rural economy die.