Constitution assumes a voter's "ability to read
Kevin Keogh
or legal challenges?
Don't worry, be happy. I'm sure the courts will decide that confused old
folks' votes don't count.
What is there to worry about?
Kevin Keogh
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> http://208.246.212.80/national/default-20001110224020.htm
> Existing laws block ordering new vote
> By Frank J. Murray
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
>
> Florida case-law bars state courts from ordering a new election on
> grounds a ballot was confusing, and federal election law could sidetrack
any
> attempt to change that. Top Stories
> The Constitution assumes a voter's "ability to read and his intelligence
to
> indicate his choice with the degree of care commensurate with the
solemnity
> of the occasion," says a 1974 ruling by a District Court of Appeals. That
> ruling in a similar case of ballot confusion stands today as the precedent
> in such cases. Even if state courts reinterpreted the law and ordered a
> new election, that result would seem to conflict with federal statutes.
> Federal law (3 USC Sect. 1) says electors "shall be appointed, in each
> state, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November." On Dec. 2,
> 1997, in the Louisiana case of Foster vs. Love, the Supreme Court ruled
that
> all federal elections must be held on that one national Election Day.
"You
> would think there would be a fairly strong argument under Foster vs. Love
> that you can't hold part of the presidential election any other day. That
> would suggest that you can't have another election," said a Washington
> lawyer with a Supreme Court practice who asked not to be identified.
Those
> legal speed-bumps have not slowed down three West Palm Beach Democrats who
> are trying, with official help from Vice President Al Gore's campaign, to
> deliver a come-from-behind state victory that would put him in the White
> House.
> "Votes unintentionally cast for [Reform Party candidate Pat] Buchanan in
> Palm Beach County will make a decisive difference in the outcome of the .
.
> . election," claimed the new complaint that suggests Palm Beach County's
> ballot layout may have affected up to 22,527 votes, including 3,407 for
Mr.
> Buchanan, who traditionally loses in precincts with large Jewish
> populations.
> Lawyers for the Gore campaign and Democratic National Committee said
> yesterday that they would help in the lawsuit, which was filed Wednesday.
> "Today, I am announcing that we will be working with voters from Florida
to
> support a legal action to demand some redress for the Disenfranchisement
of
> more than 20,000 voters in Palm Beach County," said Gore campaign chairman
> William Daley upon confirming that the campaign entered the case. "We
> believe that with so much at stake, steps should be taken to make sure
that
> the people's choice becomes the president." Lawyers not involved in the
> case were skeptical about any chance the legal team would succeed in
getting
> a new election. "Most of those state statutes, even if violated, are not
> grounds for a new election," said Joseph J. Portuondo of Coconut Grove, a
> longtime Florida election lawyer who once worked on Republican causes.
"To
> sit by and let an election happen, then come in and complain of a
technical
> violation - you get an unfair second bite at the apple," Mr. Portuondo
said.
> "The bottom line in Florida is that courts will never throw out an
election
> unless there is an absolute, clear showing that the election doesn't
reflect
> the will of the people." That is exactly the claim of the lawsuit which
> yesterday was consolidated with a claim by Palm Beach voter Kenneth
> Horowitz, owner of the Miami Fusion soccer team, that poll workers gave
> voters only five minutes to cast ballots. The voters' claim centers on use
> of so-called "butterfly ballots," small books whose pages turn as voters
> record choices on a punch card. Butterfly ballots have long been used
> without challenge, but the lawsuit charges no Florida county ever before
> listed presidential candidates on facing pages rather than in a column on
> one page. County Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, herself a
> Democrat, said a second page was needed to accommodate some candidates'
> names because she had them printed in larger type to help the many elderly
> voters among whom Mr. Gore is popular. "No good deed ever goes
unpunished,"
> said Mr. Portuondo, who suggested the Palm Beach lawsuit might more
properly
> have been filed in the state capital of Tallahassee, naming Secretary of
> State Katherine Harris so that any remedy could be enforced against state
> officials.
> But it was the very elderly voters for whom large type was ordered who
were
> most confused, said one of their lawyers, Howard Rudolph. "They are being
> told it's sour grapes among the 'Condo Commandos.' We're saying it's
> definitely not sour grapes. They knew who they wanted to vote for and know
> their votes would have tipped the balance," Mr. Rudolph said in an
interview
> yesterday.
> Republican lawyer Reeve Bright agreed the 19,120 ballots disqualified
> because more than one candidate was punched was an extraordinary number
but
> said that does not taint the election.
> "Unless they can show fraud or extreme irregularity, I don't think you can
> have an election thrown out," said Jim Smith, a Republican and a former
> secretary of state, the office which administers all Florida elections.
Mr.
> Rudolph conceded no political party or candidate objected to the layout
> after reviewing sample ballots before the election but said the effect was
> not obvious until it was in the voting machine. He discounted prior
> decisions that seemed to undermine his law firm's position. The petition
> filed by two of his partners cited no prior decisions supporting the
> position of the plaintiffs. "Plaintiffs request that the court declare
[the
> ballot illegal], declare that said ballot is deceptive, confusing and/or
> misleading, declare the election results for the public office of
president
> and vice-president to be null and void, and direct that a new general
> election . . . be held in Palm Beach County, Florida," the lawsuit said.
> When asked why he expects courts to settle the issues any differently from
> the 1974 precedent, Mr. Rudolph turned the topic to fairness and "a chance
> for everybody to have their vote." However, he said he thought voter
> testimony could prove that a new vote would change the outcome. That
1974
> St. Petersburg case raised identical issues of confusion because of name
> placement on a long ballot. A Pinellas County circuit judge ordered a new
> election in five races, but that decision was bluntly overturned by the
2nd
> District Court of Appeal. Even if a plaintiff showed a result would have
> differed but for ballot irregularities, "mere confusion does not amount to
> an impediment to the voters' free choice if reasonable time and study will
> sort it out," the court said. While a protest before an election might be
> considered, it's too late to complain after the election, the judgment
said.
> The state Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal and the case-law remains
> unchanged. The state high court also refused to hear an appeal of a
similar
> decision in a case involving widespread fraud on absentee ballots in
Miami's
> 1998 mayoral election. In that case, too, a state appeals court let the
> election stand but threw out every absentee ballot, which had the effect
of
> altering the outcome without a new vote. With specific exceptions, mostly
> involving racial discrimination, federal courts reject most requests for
new
> elections because state courts have power to do so. Other plaintiffs
> yesterday filed and withdrew an attempt to have a federal court review
> Florida's election. When federal judges have heard cases, the original
vote
> generally prevailed. The U.S. Supreme Court consistently refuses to
> intervene. In an Alabama case over a 1986 Democratic gubernatorial
primary,
> Justice Lewis Powell refused to clear the way for a new vote, saying "it
is
> no doubt true that . . . the applicant here will suffer irreparable
injury.
> This fact alone is not sufficient to justify a stay."
>
>
>
> --
> "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
> construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." --9th
> Amendment to the United States Constitution.
> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
> nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
> respectively, or to the people." --10th Amendment to the United States
> Constitution.
>
>
Billary
Elderly people figure out BINGO cards all day long, you're telling me they
can't figure out a ballot...especiall one that was made public WEEKS before
the election.
Liberal SPIN and liberal smoke screen bullshit to try and steal this
election and thwart the Will of the people.
"Kevin Keogh" <kevin...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Keogh
out the case.
Don't worry, be happy.
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E.D. Holman
backwater justice cannot weather such intense light.
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Billary
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RAHbert
solely in one Florida county.
--
r
E.D. Holman
I've punched it in Texas. It was also used this time around in Illinois.
and it has nothing to do with fraud. Hell, the Democrats locally picked it
to use and the local Democratic candidates signed off on it. It was also
sent to voters who had no objections and it was posted in the paper for
comment - all without a glitch.
for a handpicked Democratic judge to throw out the ballot, then
statistically model a county election in order for Gore to win the
Presidency, the bluehairs on the beach would be nuked by the rest of the
country. As the elder Bush would say "Not gonna happen".
"RAHbert" <cas...@iname.com> wrote in message
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Joe Krolikowski
RAHbert wrote:
> It is interesting to note that this "controversial" ballot was used
> solely in one Florida county.
It is also interesting to note that, despite the "controversial" ballot
layout being published in advance of the election, no one on either side
had any complaints until now.
Joe Krolikowski
frank...@my-deja.com
the supervisor of elections who is a Democrat. She wanted to make the
names bigger to help the old people. This poor woman will probably
kill herself. The ballot is used in other states. Any challenge is
BS.
Gore new strategy is a hand count in the biggest counties which are
also run by Democratic politcians. Get human hands involved in the
process. The ballots have been counted 6 times. They run a three pass
run. Two of the three runs must agree.
In article <3A0C0742...@iname.com>,
cas...@iname.com wrote:
> It is interesting to note that this "controversial" ballot was used
> solely in one Florida county.
> --
> r
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
frank...@my-deja.com
newspaper, it is posted at the polling precinct. If they are too lazy
to spend 1 minute looking at it or ask a question if they are not sure,
they should not vote. Children can punch a hole next to an arrow.
In article <3A0C1427...@mediaone.net>,
Joe Krolikowski <jkroli...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>
>
> RAHbert wrote:
>
> > It is interesting to note that this "controversial" ballot was used
> > solely in one Florida county.
>
> It is also interesting to note that, despite the "controversial"
ballot
> layout being published in advance of the election, no one on either
side
> had any complaints until now.
>
> Joe Krolikowski
>
>
E.D. Holman
get Gore in.
<frank...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Edgar Rhodes
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> A county run and controlled by Democrats. The woman who signed off is
> the supervisor of elections who is a Democrat. She wanted to make the
> names bigger to help the old people. This poor woman will probably
> kill herself. The ballot is used in other states. Any challenge is
> BS.
hand, some of these things should be addressed a length before the next
election.
> Gore new strategy is a hand count in the biggest counties which are
> also run by Democratic politcians. Get human hands involved in the
> process. The ballots have been counted 6 times. They run a three pass
> run. Two of the three runs must agree.
If the second vote were not so different from the first I might agree here
also. However, since it was not I do not have a problem with a hand count
in front of observers from both parties. There is plenty of time awaiting
the absentee ballots from overseas anyway. Also, I would not have a problem
with a request from the Bush side if there is a shift in the vote to
indicate a Gore victory.
Our nation will survive.
> In article <3A0C0742...@iname.com>,
> cas...@iname.com wrote:
> > It is interesting to note that this "controversial" ballot was used
> > solely in one Florida county.
> > --
> > r
Joe Krolikowski
frank...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Every resident is mailed the sample ballot, it appears in the
> newspaper, it is posted at the polling precinct. If they are too lazy
> to spend 1 minute looking at it or ask a question if they are not sure,
> they should not vote. Children can punch a hole next to an arrow.
I've read a few stories that stated that children did exactly that with
replicas of the butterfly ballots.
With *zero* mistakes.
Kinda pokes big holes in the Gore/Daley theory, now doesn't it?
Joe Krolikowski
Michael Richmann
>
> It is interesting to note that this "controversial" ballot was used
> solely in one Florida county.
It's also interesting to note the temperature in Chicagoland was 42
yesterday and we had a full moon.
Now, if you'd care to tie your comment in to anything factual or make a
point, feel free.
--
Mike
Rob Robertson
>
> frank...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Every resident is mailed the sample ballot, it appears in the
> > newspaper, it is posted at the polling precinct. If they are too lazy
> > to spend 1 minute looking at it or ask a question if they are not sure,
> > they should not vote. Children can punch a hole next to an arrow.
>
> I've read a few stories that stated that children did exactly that with
> replicas of the butterfly ballots.
>
> With *zero* mistakes.
I printed out a grainy .gif of the ballot, gave to my five-year-old
son, and asked him to vote for the Democratic ticket. He found the
larger word 'Democrat' in a graphic above, but needed a little help
finding the hard-to-read Al Gore/Joe Lieberman box, but once it was
pointed out to him, it took him less than a second to color in the
correct hole with a marker (I didn't make him punch a hole).
Dad: "All the stuff you're hearing on the radio about the Florida
ballot? This is what they're talking about"
Boy: "Well, it has an arrow pointing right to it,..."
Dad: "Excellent point, my son!"
Boy: "And those people are older than me! That doesn't make sense."
Out of the mouth of babes.
> Kinda pokes big holes in the Gore/Daley theory, now doesn't it?
>
> Joe Krolikowski
_
Rob
rose...@idt.net
>Joe Krolikowski wrote:
> I printed out a grainy .gif of the ballot, gave to my five-year-old
>son, and asked him to vote for the Democratic ticket. He found the
>larger word 'Democrat' in a graphic above, but needed a little help
>finding the hard-to-read Al Gore/Joe Lieberman box, but once it was
>pointed out to him, it took him less than a second to color in the
>correct hole with a marker (I didn't make him punch a hole).
Have him go slap them silly old Jewish ladies across the face. You seem to be
starting your corrupt conservative shit on him early
Joe Krolikowski
Rob Robertson wrote:
> Out of the mouth of babes.
No kidding. I still get a chuckle from the entire concept of the "confused
voter," despite it's far more serious nature.
Joe Krolikowski
Rob Robertson
I teach him libertarian values, actually, and children (at least the
unbrainwashed kind) understand intuitively the notion of property
rights, for instance. What belongs to him is *his*, so he understands
that other kids feel the same about what is *theirs*. He's generous
with others, however, unlike so many of the other socialized offspring
around us, constantly grabbing at the common pool of collective goodies
that temporarily reside in someone else's hands.
I also teach him the value of the non-initiation of violence. He is
kind, even gentle, with the unruly hordes of miscreants around him,
but the little guy is *fiercely* protective of not only what is his,
but also has a strong sense of justice, and is absolutely fearless
in his defense of his little sister and friends who have been wronged.
My nineteen-year-old daughter has embraced anarcho-capitalism (I
never even knew she was paying attention to my rants!), and the future
of freedom in this country rests in their hearts and minds, and if
need be, their trigger fingers.
I strongly suggest you start playing nice, Gary.
_
Rob Robertson
Rob Robertson
>
> > I teach him libertarian values
>
> That would be a clear admission of what a horrible parent you are.
Not just yet, Gary, but soon. As it is we have school administrators
declaring parents "unfit" for refusing to pump their children full of
neuroleptic drugs to make them docile, and the next logical step of
the Servile State is to declare that teaching children the ideals of
liberty and self-determination is a social pathology that must be
wiped out at all costs. We've not quite reached that stage, but your
interesting Subject: header change, as always, is an intriguing
glimpse into the totalitarian mindset, and I thank you for that.
> > I also teach him the value of the non-initiation of violence
>
> The "values" of demanding only that which serves your personal interest has
> historically led to rationalization of violence to get it, or maintain it.
The 'win at all costs' mindset belongs to collectivists like you, as
well as the socialized offspring who care little for the spirit of fair
play, respect for others, and self-respect that I instill in my children.
> >He is
> >kind, even gentle, with the unruly hordes of miscreants around him,
>
> Which will soon give way to a more grown up intellectual ability to
> figure out how to screw others for self serving reasons.
Incorrect. Honesty and fair-mindedness in dealing with others leads
to trust and cooperation. Personal gain derived from an honest exchange
of goods and services, however self-serving, tends to increase the
wealth and well-being of all participants. The cheating and lying
that are the hallmarks of collectivists (i.e., Lying Socialist Weasels)
are corrosive to social interaction, and society in general. It is a
*decadent* socio-political philosophy, which is why collectivism
engenders decay and death. Liberty is Life, Gary. Embrace it.
> >but the little guy is *fiercely* protective of not only what is his,
> >but also has a strong sense of justice, and is absolutely fearless
> >in his defense of his little sister and friends who have been wronged.
>
> So do various animal species, and without being taught.
And my task is to ensure that his inate, inherent understanding of
his inalienable rights will not be rinsed away in the indoctrination
centers of the collectivists, wherever they may be found.
> > My nineteen-year-old daughter has embraced anarcho-capitalism (I
> >never even knew she was paying attention to my rants!), and the future
> >of freedom in this country rests in their hearts and minds, and if
> >need be, their trigger fingers.
>
> See, there you go. So much for the non-violent theory as they get older.
I said the non-initiation of violence, Gary. All creatures rightly
understand that violent response may be called for when confronted
with unjust violence.
Don't harm me or mine, and I won't harm you.
> May a real american someday be in a position, while enforcing OUR law,
> [to] have the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
Easier than Zyklon-B, I suppose.
> > I strongly suggest you start playing nice, Gary.
>
> I strongly suggest you stick it up your ignorant ass. The grave yard is
> littered with petty, ignorant self-serving blowhards like you JoeBobaloon.
> The various and sundry "threateners" like you and Billy Batshit last just
> about as long as the life span of insects when confronted.
It's interesting to read the various hand-wringing editorials of the
propaganda organs of the State, now that a clearer picture is beginning
to emerge of just what it is they've been cheerleading. Even McCloskey
is beginning to wriggle a bit in his chair, nervously requesting that
the chattering horde step away from the edge of the breach. You were
Useful, in a demented sort of way, when you were safely tucked away
in your little Habitrail cage and screeching "red ass" at every
opportunity, but now with the prospect of the rabid, flea-infested
weezils descending on his favorite chess table in front of Harvard
Square, things aren't quite so funny anymore.
I tried to warn him, but who listens to me, anyway?
_
Rob Robertson
"Thus the fear of concentration camps and the resulting insight
into the nature of total domination might serve to invalidate
all obsolete political differentiations from right to left and
to introduce beside and above them the politically most important
yardstick for judging events in our time, namely: whether they
serve totalitarian domination or not."
- Hannah Arendt, _The Origins of Totalitarianism_, p. 442
Rob Robertson
Miscast votes are a serious issue. I think a lot of those
votes were probably meant for Viktor Chernomyrdin*.
> Joe Krolikowski
_
Rob
*[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_prather/20001104_xcpra_gores_loos.shtml]
Billy Beck
rose...@idt.net wrote:
>Rob Robertson <rr...@gte.com> wrote
>
>> I teach him libertarian values
>
>That would be a clear admission of what a horrible parent you are.
>
>> I also teach him the value of the non-initiation of violence
>
>The "values" of demanding only that which serves your personal interest has
>historically led to rationalization of violence to get it, or maintain it.
That's a Big Lie. It predicates the behavior of some on that of
others, in a mendacious ethical smear. This liar is equating the
ethics of a thief with those of a honest person, and the two are not
the same, even give the fact that thieves exist. It's not true.
>>He is kind, even gentle, with the unruly hordes of miscreants around him,
>
>Which will soon give way to a more grown up intellectual ability to
>figure out how to screw others for self serving reasons.
Stop projecting your own ethics on others about whom you know
nothing, Gary.
>>but the little guy is *fiercely* protective of not only what is his,
>>but also has a strong sense of justice, and is absolutely fearless
>>in his defense of his little sister and friends who have been wronged.
>
>So do various animal species, and without being taught.
Bullshit. Animals have no sense of justice at all. Justice is
principally an *evaluation*: an ethical matter. Animals are simply
not capable of the conceptual integrations requisite to such a thing.
Like you.
>> My nineteen-year-old daughter has embraced anarcho-capitalism (I
>>never even knew she was paying attention to my rants!), and the future
>>of freedom in this country rests in their hearts and minds, and if
>>need be, their trigger fingers.
>
>See, there you go. So much for the non-violent theory as they get older.
You deliberately mutilated the context, which observation is to
point out (as usual) what a vicious liar you are. Nobody said
anything about "non-violent theory". Rob pointed out his principle of
non-*initiation* of violence, which is a categorically different
thing, and does not preclude *defensive* violence when necessary to
deal with predators. That's an honorable thing, and you cannot lie
your way around that fact.
>May a real american someday be in a position, while enforcing OUR law, have
>the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
You can try to claim that "real american" lie, but nobody who
understands American history is going to buy it. (Memo to Saskia:
this point goes to my clue to you about "where you changed the
subject". Observe: that "perfect freedom" gag is nonsense. It's a
twisted yank on the idea of freedom as political leave to pursue one's
own values. It does *not* include the idea of pursuing them at
someone else's expense. It was never about that, and when you start
making that noise, you are ignoring the principles of rational
self-interest and individualism on which the American Revolution was
declared.)
Roselle: this particular beastiality is exactly why I've
repeatedly pointed out to you that if *you* attempted to assert what
you're calling "OUR" law (mouse in your pocket, or what?) around *me*,
it would cost you your life. You keep coming around here howling your
animal nonsense about my "death threats". They're not. They're
*warnings*: "Don't tread on me," you shit-filled little rat. That
goes for your so-called "laws", too.
And your call for the unilateral murder of Robertson's daughter
is duly noted.
>> I strongly suggest you start playing nice, Gary.
>
>I strongly suggest you stick it up your ignorant ass. The grave yard is
>littered with petty, ignorant self-serving blowhards like you JoeBobaloon.
>The various and sundry "threateners" like you and Billy Batshit last just
>about as long as the life span of insects when confronted.
That's what you *say*, but everybody knows that you don't have a
"confront[ation]" in you. All you've got is resort to the gang
impulse, constantly hoping to con someone else into doing your dirty
work for you.
You're dead wrong, and if you tried your "confrontation" with
*me*, you would simply be dead.
Your call.
Billy
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
r_c_...@my-deja.com
>
> > I teach him libertarian values
>
> That would be a clear admission of what a horrible parent you are.
This statement doesn't make sense. Should Robertson be teaching his
kid stuff that he, Robertson, believes to be incorrect?
>
> > I also teach him the value of the non-initiation of violence
>
> The "values" of demanding only that which serves your personal
interest has
> historically led to rationalization of violence to get it, or
maintain it.
Possibly true, but irrelevant.
>
> >He is
> >kind, even gentle, with the unruly hordes of miscreants around him,
>
> Which will soon give way to a more grown up intellectual ability to
> figure out how to screw others for self serving reasons.
Possible. Of course, the same could be said for your offspring, with
as much authority.
>
> >but the little guy is *fiercely* protective of not only what is his,
> >but also has a strong sense of justice, and is absolutely fearless
> >in his defense of his little sister and friends who have been
wronged.
>
> So do various animal species, and without being taught.
Whatever. Do you really feel that a strong sense of justice is a
worthless attribute?
>
> > My nineteen-year-old daughter has embraced anarcho-capitalism (I
> >never even knew she was paying attention to my rants!), and the
future
> >of freedom in this country rests in their hearts and minds, and if
> >need be, their trigger fingers.
>
> See, there you go. So much for the non-violent theory as they get
older.
What? Did he say that his daughter was violent? No. He said his
daughter was willing and able to defend herself and her beliefs. Is
that bad?
>
> May a real american someday be in a position, while enforcing OUR
law, have
> the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
That is an absolutely horrible thing to hope for. Do you have kids of
your own?
>
> > I strongly suggest you start playing nice, Gary.
>
> I strongly suggest you stick it up your ignorant ass. The grave
yard is
> littered with petty, ignorant self-serving blowhards like you
JoeBobaloon.
> The various and sundry "threateners" like you and Billy Batshit last
just
> about as long as the life span of insects when confronted.
>
>
Marksman
Fascist "KKKurt" <Cap...@tta.not> forged another post in message
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> Fraud "I'm not supporting George Lush" Robertson <rr...@gte.com> wrote:
> >
> > Joe Krolikowski wrote:
> > >
> > >Fraud "I'm not supporting George Lush" Robertson <rr...@gte.com> edits:
> > >
> > > >Out of the mouth of babes.
> > >
> > >No kidding. I still get a chuckle from the entire concept of
> > >the "confused voter," despite it's far more serious nature.
> >
> > Miscast votes are a serious issue. I think a lot of those
> >votes were probably meant for Viktor Chernomyrdin*.
>
>
>
Thanks for again showing you can't reply to a post without forging the
prior poster's replies.
You just prove you hate what other's think and "feel" it is your right to
manipulate (forge) their posts to fit your own beliefs.
You are such a L O S E R!
Rob Robertson
>
> rose...@idt.net wrote:
<snips>
> >May a real american someday be in a position, while enforcing OUR law,
> >have the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
...
> And your call for the unilateral murder of Robertson's daughter
> is duly noted.
It took me a while to grasp the wider significance of this, Billy; my
first reaction was to shrug it off as yet another example of the wicked,
vile nature of Gary Roselle. My eyes are too used to this sort of thing
to really appreciate the absolutely *stunning* import of it.
The little fascist is revealed, and I don't even rate a simple nod from
our Canteburian friend.
Thanks a lot, John.
> Billy
>
> VRWC Fronteer
> http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
_
Rob
Ernest Brown
slurry of undifferentiated Democratic Uber Alles, genuine tolerance and
diversity be damned. He likes the idea of sending a bullet through a
non-conformist's brain just as much as Roselle does, but doesn't have the
intestinal fortitude to say so.
Wisdom's Children: A Virtual Journal of Philosophy & Literature
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/wisdom.htm
Submissions welcomed.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Rob Robertson wrote:
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:31:09 -0500
> From: Rob Robertson <rr...@gte.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.politics.bush,
> alt.politics.clinton, alt.politics.democrats.d
> Subject: Re: Death Threat Commie Roselle In The Clear
Rob Robertson
>
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Rob Robertson wrote:
> >
> > Billy Beck wrote:
> > >
> > > rose...@idt.net wrote:
> >
> > <snips>
> >
> > > >May a real american someday be in a position, while enforcing OUR law,
> > > >have the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > And your call for the unilateral murder of Robertson's daughter
> > > is duly noted.
> >
> > It took me a while to grasp the wider significance of this, Billy; my
> > first reaction was to shrug it off as yet another example of the wicked,
> > vile nature of Gary Roselle. My eyes are too used to this sort of thing
> > to really appreciate the absolutely *stunning* import of it.
> >
> > The little fascist is revealed, and I don't even rate a simple nod from
> > our Canteburian friend.
> >
> > Thanks a lot, John.
>
> slurry of undifferentiated Democratic Uber Alles, genuine tolerance and
> diversity be damned. He likes the idea of sending a bullet through a
> non-conformist's brain just as much as Roselle does, but doesn't have
> the intestinal fortitude to say so.
I guess I'm just at a loss to explain my hopelessly naive notion
that McCloskey may yet still open his eyes to the horror show that
he (unwittingly?) supports. In spite of all evidence to the contrary,
I've always felt (and perhaps that's the root of my error) that he
would seek to distance himself from the vicious, bloody collectivists
in order to preserve, for just one more day, the more benign case of
'social democracy' that limps along in America today.
Do you remember when I offered to meet him over sake and sushi
a while back? I may have unnerved him a bit when I told him I'd
leave the guns at home, but in saying that I was essentially
pointing out that I have no desire to harm him and was completely
serious about getting together, as two individuals, in order to
share some thoughts and opinions as flesh-and-blood people as
opposed to the Dilbertarian/Baroque Pontificator characters we
play on Usenet.
C'mon, Jack; I'm *here*, a fellow Bay Stater, and most likely
if we ever met it would be under circumstances of me stopping
to pull your car out of a snowbank, or cheerfully helping out
another human being in whatever way I can, as is my practice.
Let's poke fun at each other over Carla Howl and such, but a
call to *murder* rates at least some kind of response.
Jack? Hello? Are you there?
> Wisdom's Children: A Virtual Journal of Philosophy & Literature
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/wisdom.htm
> Submissions welcomed.
_
Rob
Kurt Lochner
>
> Ernest Brown wrote:
> >
> >Fraud "I'm not supporting Goerge Bush" Robertson <rr...@gte.com> omits:
> > >
> > >Shrilly Fake <wj...@mindspring.com> whined at:
> > > >
> > > > rose...@idt.net wrote:
> > >
> > > <snips>
Ernest Brown
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Rob Robertson wrote:
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:31:24 -0500
> From: Rob Robertson <rr...@gte.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.politics.bush,
> alt.politics.clinton, alt.politics.democrats.d
> Subject: Re: Death Threat Commie Roselle In The Clear
>
(crickets chirping...)
It's not going to happen, Rob.
FWIW, you're better off, anyway. Sabotta might get a kick out of seeing
the vitreous humor and charred remnents of eyeball streaming down
McCloskey's cheeks, but I think that it would interfere with the digestive
fortitude you'd need for Japanese cuisine.
McCloskey's little crypto-populist "organo-fascist" dance is pretty
obvious. Here's a perceptive comment a fellow made about him awhile back:
Subject: Re: Life, Joy, Empire, Victory, Bill Clinton
Date: 03/18/2000
Author: [17]Ernest Brown <[18]c50...@showme.missouri.edu>
It's his way of imitating Bredon's soiling of the fine and noble things in life. McCloskey's just
Miniver Cheevy without heroic ambition, one who visualizes a return to the Middle Ages of common
stereotype. There, as the village priest who gets by on a few mumbled words of half-remembered Latin,
he gets the "props" he can't experience in the here and now.
Let us draw a charitable shroud over the corpse of a mind willfully wasted...
"Bring out your dead!"
And, from today, the proof of the above statement from McCloskey's own
lips...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:14:24 -0500
From: John H. McCloskey <j...@iName.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics.media, alt.politics.elections,
alt.society.liberalism, alt.journalism, alt.news.media,
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
Subject: Gore D'Abord!
(snip)
BTW, I hereby abandon Mr. William Saletan to the secular arm. After yesterday's
piece, you make take him away and do your worst. I'll take my own shot at him
elsewhere.
(For the netnitwits like Dozelly, McCloskey is quoting the classical
formulation of the Inquisition's judgement...)
msoja
posted:
The above is Kurtsy's complete post. It's completely reminiscent of a
pregnant chad.
I didn't know Kurtsy had it in him.
Mike
Billy Beck
Kurt Lochner <Cap...@tta.not> wrote:
>Unsolder'd <mso...@newsguy.com> whined like child when:
>>The above is [Mr. Lochner]'s complete post.
>
>No, it wasn't,
Your original post was only thirteen lines, Lochner. Why do you
just reflexively lie like that? What are you doing here?
rose...@idt.net
>
>Kurt Lochner <Cap...@tta.not> wrote:
>
>>Unsolder'd <mso...@newsguy.com> whined like child when:
>
>>>The above is [Mr. Lochner]'s complete post.
>>
>>No, it wasn't,
>
> Your original post was only thirteen lines, Lochner. Why do you
>just reflexively lie like that? What are you doing here?
Kicking your dumb ass BatShit Beck
You still hearing the sound of adoration from you pretend
friends?
msoja
posted:
>Unsolder'd <mso...@newsguy.com> whined like child when:
>>
>> Kurt Lochner wrote:
>>
>> >Fraud "I'm not supporting George Bush" Trollbertson <rr...@gte.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ernest Brown wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Fraud "I'm not supporting Goerge Bush" Robertson <rr...@gte.com> omits:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Shrilly Fake <wj...@mindspring.com> whined at:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > rose...@idt.net wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > <snips>
>>The above is [Mr. Lochner]'s complete post.
>No, it wasn't,
<snip>
You're lying Kurtsy. Same as you always do. ta ta.
Mike
Rob Robertson
Well, I gave it another day in the hopes that,... I don't know what
I was hoping for, I guess. It's just such a clear step away from the
usual partisan bickering that I thought maybe there would be,... I'm
just,... I'm just at a loss for words here.
Is this really what you support with your silence, McCloskey?
> FWIW, you're better off, anyway.
I wanted the nod from McCloskey *for* McCloskey, not for myself.
> Sabotta might get a kick out of seeing
> the vitreous humor and charred remnants of eyeball streaming down
> McCloskey's cheeks, but I think that it would interfere with the digestive
> fortitude you'd need for Japanese cuisine.
I'd start with the sake first, then (and lots of it).
It's incredible not only the number of vicious calls for outright murder I've
seen lately, but the casual acceptance of them by otherwise 'normal' people.
Not a good sign.
> Wisdom's Children: A Virtual Journal of Philosophy & Literature
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/billramey/wisdom.htm
> Submissions welcomed.
_
Rob
johnz~
<Pine.A41.4.10.1001116...@sp2n23.missouri.edu>,
Ernest Brown <c50...@showme.missouri.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Rob Robertson wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:31:24 -0500
> > From: Rob Robertson <rr...@gte.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater, alt.politics.bush,
> > alt.politics.clinton, alt.politics.democrats.d
> > Subject: Re: Death Threat Commie Roselle In The Clear
(snip)
>
> FWIW, you're better off, anyway. Sabotta might get a kick out of seeing
> the vitreous humor and charred remnents of eyeball streaming down
> McCloskey's cheeks, but I think that it would interfere with the
> digestive
> fortitude you'd need for Japanese cuisine.
What? You have a peculiar idea of my idea of fun. Streaming charred
eyeballs are contraindicated.
(snip)
JS
Lynette Warren
>
> Yeah, it got truncated in the mailer, BFD, Becky..
It's just that you'd think by now you'd have figured out how to use your
software. It's not that difficult.
Lynette
Billy Beck
Lynette Warren <ar...@cachecow.surfari.net> wrote:
The sonofabitch pastes up great heaps of nonsense for repost over
his x-eyed oneliners, and never has this mysterious "truncat[ion]"
problem.
It's just another psychotic Bagboy lie, Lynette.
Marksman
Fascist "KKKurt" <Cap...@tta.not> forged again in message
news:3A173B...@tta.not...
> Shrilly Fake <wj...@mindspring.com> blathered along with:
> >
> >Whinette Boring <ar...@surfari.net> deleted:
> >
> > > Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance of:
> > > >
> > > > Shrilly Fake <wj...@mindspring.com> whined when he read:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Lochner was again upbraid the intentional ignorance of:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Unsolder'd <mso...@newsguy.com> whined like child when:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kurt Lochner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Fraud "I'm not supporting George Bush" Trollbertson
<rr...@gte.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Ernest Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >Fraud "I'm not supporting Goerge Bush" Robertson
<rr...@gte.com> omits:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >Shrilly Fake <wj...@mindspring.com> whined at:
> > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > rose...@idt.net wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > <snips>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The above is [Mr. Lochner]'s complete post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to Fraud's "blank-outs"..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would you like to see what Fraud omitted, null-soda?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the message "Booby admits child abuse. (check this out,
volty)"
> > > > > > > > "Message ID" <3a1153e7...@169.132.11.12>, one can see
the complete
> > > > > > > > context written and then deleted by Fraud Trollbertson...
<LOL!>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >My nineteen-year-old daughter has embraced
anarcho-capitalism (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >never even knew she was paying attention to my
rants!), and the future
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >of freedom in this country rests in their hearts
and minds, and if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >need be, their trigger fingers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > See, there you go. So much for the non-violent
theory as they get older.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
while enforcing OUR law, have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with his proselytizing and emotional bullying..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How sad..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I guess I'm just at a loss to explain my hopelessly naive
notion
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To what? You're still a proselytizing loon, no matter how
many
> > > > > > > > lusers you manage to get to cover your tracks while you run
away..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Do you remember when I offered to meet him over sake and
sushi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope, you more likely convinced him that you're incapable
> > > > > > > > of rational debate, you dissembling fraud..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And you've unwittingly provided the damning proof of this,
again... <LOL!>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > > > "Oh sure, maybe *I'm* the crazy one and it's the rest of
the world
> > > > > > > > that is, how you say, "sane" and "normal". Do you think I
don't know
> > > > > > > > what y'all are really thinking? I hear your thoughts
streaming in from
> > > > > > > > all corners, and apart from the occasional _Beanie and
Cecil_ snippet,
> > > > > > > > the message is clear, and my mission continues."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fraud Robertson <rr...@gte.com> Thu, 09 Nov 2000
09:48:38 -0500
> > > > > > > >
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --T'is a pity you and Fraud cannot comprehend rational
thoughts..
> > > > >
> > > > >Your original post was only thirteen lines, Lochner.
> > > >
> > >
> > >It's just that you'd think by now you'd have figured out how to use
your
> > >software. It's not that difficult.
> >
>
> --Incorrect, Shrilly, I restore that which you zealously deleted,
fascist..
ROFL!!!!! You delete or forge what you don't like. You are pathetic KKKurt!
msoja
posted:
><LOL!> What I know about this software is
about as much as the bottom 5% of Palm Beachers know about ballots.
Ain't it the truth.
Mike
Lynette Warren
> Whinette Boring <ar...@surfari.nuts> deliberately misquoted:
> >It's just that you'd think by now you'd have figured out how to use
your
> >software. It's not that difficult.
>
> back the complete headers, especially with a "From: .." in the first
> line after a <cr>, you dim-bulbed, proselytizing puppet..
...right. Like you know what you're doing.
> What I've forgotten about "software" and the hardware it runs
> on would astonish your intentionally ignorant introspection,
> Whinette..
So it's dementia that makes you like that. Funny, I thought it was just
the formaldehyde coursing across your crumbling brain, XombieBoy.
Lynette
Marksman
rose...@idt.net
>> --Incorrect, Shrilly, I restore that which you zealously deleted,
>fascist..
>
>ROFL!!!!! You delete or forge what you don't like. You are pathetic KKKurt!
ROFLMAO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! (beat your exclamations)
A judgment coming from a netloser like you, dorksman?
Get real !
>
Marksman
Another Fascist <rosel...@idt.net> wrote in message
news:3a17fed0....@169.132.11.12...
> >fascist..
> >
> >ROFL!!!!! You delete or forge what you don't like. You are pathetic
KKKurt!
>
>
Roselleoon show us how childish (s)he can be.
> A judgment coming from a netloser like you, dorksman?
Again your childish remarks shows us just how pathetic you are.
>
> Get real !
Practice what you preach gun whore!
Kurt Lochner
alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater Kurt Lochner <Cap...@tta.not>
whimpered:
><ar...@surfari.nuts> deliberately quotes:
>>
>> KKKurt was laughing his tail off at his own lies:
>> >
>> ><ar...@surfari.nuts> deliberately misquoted:
>> > >
>> > > Fascist KKKurt was patiently having the truth explained to him in:
>> > > >
>> > > ><wj...@mindspring.com> whined when he read:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Fascist KKKurt was again was again showing his ignorance in:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > <mso...@newsguy.com> whined like child when:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Fascist KKKurt Lochner forged again in:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >rr...@gte.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Ernest Brown wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> ><rr...@gte.com> omits:
>> > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > > <wj...@mindspring.com> whined at:
>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > > > rosel...@idt.net wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > > <snips>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >The above is KKKurt's complete post.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > No, it wasn't, but it does bear a certain resemblence
>> > > > > > to my "blank-outs"..
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Would you like to see what I omitted, null-soda?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > In the message "KKKurt admits child abuse. (check this out, volty)"
>> > > > Yeah, it got truncated in the mailer, BFD, Becky..
>> > >
>> > >It's just that you'd think by now you'd have figured out how to use your
>> > >software. It's not that difficult.
>> >
>> > <LOL!> What I know about this software is that I can't quote back
>> > the complete headers, especially with a "From: .." in the first
>> > line after a <cr>, you dim-bulbed, proselytizing puppet..
>>
>>...right. Like you know what you're doing.
>
><LOL!> Surprisingly, Whinette, I have no idea of what i am doing, except forging posts to suit my fascist beliefs..
>
>> > What I've forgotten about "software" and the hardware it runs
>> > on would astonish your intentionally ignorant introspection,
>> > Whinette..
>>
>>So it's dementia that makes you like that. [..]
>
><LOL!> I am still at the juvenile ad hominems, I can't help it.
>
>Somehow, I'd already concluded that *THAT* was all I am capable of..
>
>--See subject header for details, you perfect example for a human being, unlike me who is a fascist left wing extremeist..
>
>
We are so glad you finally admit your fascism.
Fight the war on left wing (socialist) ignorance.
Become an NRA or GOA member today.
Don't let your children grow up to be liberal/socialists!
When guns are outlawed, only street criminals and other liberals will have guns.
rose...@idt.net
>
>Another Fascist <rosel...@idt.net> wrote in message
>news:3a17fed0....@169.132.11.12...
>> "Marksman" <whiney-...@suck.net> wrote as if right wingers had a
>clue:
>>
>> >fascist..
>> >
>> >ROFL!!!!! You delete or forge what you don't like. You are pathetic
>KKKurt!
>>
>>
>
>Roselleoon show us how childish (s)he can be.
>Again your childish remarks shows us just how pathetic you are.
>Practice what you preach gun whore!
Thus providing the best self-evidence that you are exactly what I claim you to
be.
Marksman
<rose...@idt.net> whined like a typical lieberal in message
news:3a1850c4....@169.132.11.12...
> "Marksman" <whiney-...@suck.net> corrected roselleloon in:
> >
> >Another Fascist <rosel...@idt.net> whined like a typical lieberal in
message
> >news:3a17fed0....@169.132.11.12...
> >> "Marksman" <whiney-...@suck.net> corrected roselleloon in:
> >clue:
> >>
> >> >> --Incorrect, Shrilly, I restore that which you zealously deleted,
> >> >fascist..
> >> >
> >> >ROFL!!!!! You delete or forge what you don't like. You are pathetic
> >KKKurt!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Roselleoon show us how childish (s)he can be.
>
> >Again your childish remarks shows us just how pathetic you are.
>
> >Practice what you preach gun whore!
>
> Thus providing the best self-evidence that you are exactly what I claim
you to
> be.
Another gun whore projecting.... poor roselleloon.
POINT PROVEN!
rose...@idt.net
>> >Practice what you preach gun whore!
>Another gun whore projecting.... poor roselleloon.
>
>POINT PROVEN!
In your autistic mind, you loon !