Bush on Outsourcing
Roedy Green
things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
thing"
~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm"
Explaining George's record for exporting American jobs to India was a
good thing. Bush signed his report.
--
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Chris B.
"Roedy Green" <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I think it's obvious the Presidency has been outsourced.
BlackWater
<loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
>things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
>thing"
>~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
>
>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm"
US companies don't outsource for fun. Most are doing
it out of desperation. Curtail all outsourcing and
many companies will just have to call it quits - or
move their entire operation south of the border and
then use NAFTA so they can screw-over US companies.
Roedy Green
quoted :
> US companies don't outsource for fun. Most are doing
> it out of desperation
That's because the rules are set up to favour companies that
outsource. With a different tax structure, it need not be that way.
Larry Hewitt
"BlackWater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
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Mostly a fanatasy of the right used to bludgeon dissenters into submission.
For example. IBM moved all pc production to China, claiming the need to
reduce prices. Yet most HP, Dell, and Gateway pcs are made in America.
Income tax preparattion services moved to India. But there was _no_
international competition, and no indication that the service was priced too
high. Consumer costs have not decreased, so the move has only produced more
profit.
The same thing is truwe for most IT jobs shipped to India. International
competition was minimal, and the market weas paying the existing costs.
And again for the help desk industry.
And again for the financial services industry.
The pressure to move is caused by OTHERS moving first. Not by international
competition of price restrictions.
LArry
BlackWater
<loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:10:59 GMT, b...@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote or
>quoted :
>
>> US companies don't outsource for fun. Most are doing
>> it out of desperation
>
>That's because the rules are set up to favour companies that
>outsource. With a different tax structure, it need not be that way.
Depends. If the rules simply make outsourcing more
expensive then the corporate bottom line takes a
big hit and they'll either fold or move everything
out of country - leaving all their US workers on
the unemployment line.
Doing business in the USA is *expensive*. There's
insurance, overtime, unions, lawsuits, EPA, OSHA
and a dozen other things which add up to a big
bill every month for each worker. Do you REALLY
think ANY of the abovementioned entities are
gonna slack-off just to reduce the need for
outsourcing ? No way ! So, the only choices are
bankruptcy or total relocation.
As China begins to produce more and more cheap
consumer goods this problem will only become
worse. To compete, you'll have to relocate TO
China and then sell back to the USA (until
everyone here is too broke to buy anything).
BlackWater
<larr...@comporium.net> wrote:
>
>"BlackWater" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
>news:414d68b3...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:46:22 GMT, Roedy Green
>> <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
>> >things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
>> >thing"
>> >~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
>> >
>> >http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm"
>>
>> US companies don't outsource for fun. Most are doing
>> it out of desperation. Curtail all outsourcing and
>> many companies will just have to call it quits - or
>> move their entire operation south of the border and
>> then use NAFTA so they can screw-over US companies.
>>
>
>Mostly a fanatasy of the right used to bludgeon dissenters into submission.
Fantasy ? It's HAPPENING. Has been for awhile now.
>For example. IBM moved all pc production to China, claiming the need to
>reduce prices. Yet most HP, Dell, and Gateway pcs are made in America.
Define "made". You mean they screw-in the Chinese
motherboards and Korean disk drives, then wrap
the made-in-India mouse and Mexican speakers in
good old American bubble-wrap ... ? Seems as if
American workers are now doing the shit-work that
foreign workers used to do - but demanding high
pay for doing it.
BTW ... Gateway has lost gigabucks and has closed-down
most or all of its retail outlets. Dell survives mostly
on its name. IBM doesn't make much money on PCs anymore,
except maybe notebooks, and instead survives on deals
and services for corporate-scale installations.
>Income tax preparattion services moved to India. But there was _no_
>international competition, and no indication that the service was priced too
>high. Consumer costs have not decreased, so the move has only produced more
>profit.
Hmmm ... I wonder what protections exist in India
against using all that info for identity theft ?
If I were you, I'd employ an American accountant.
Also, "profit" is not a dirty word in and of itself.
There still seem to be mass quantities of all-American
accountants and tax-prep folks making a fair living
despite some outsourcing.
>The same thing is truwe for most IT jobs shipped to India. International
>competition was minimal, and the market weas paying the existing costs.
>
>And again for the help desk industry.
>
>And again for the financial services industry.
>
>The pressure to move is caused by OTHERS moving first. Not by international
>competition of price restrictions.
Businesses exist to make profits for their owners.
They have no obligations over and above that purpose
unless they WANT to assume such responsibilities.
Crappy profits = no more business = no more jobs
in the USA (or elsewhere).
Dealing with overseas employees requires time and
attention. There's a POINT where US labor becomes
more expensive than the money + effort involved in
dealing with overseas workers. That's the point
where outsourcing becomes profitible. Clearly that
point has been long passed in certain focus
industries. Do they outsource for "more profit" ?
Hell yes. US labor unacceptably cut into profits
so the ownership sought to improve their situation.
This isn't evil - it's a sign that it's become WAY
too expensive to employ an American.
Oh well, Democrat or Republican, this trend WILL
continue until some sort of crisis point is reached.
It's driven by money and that's a language common
to all those in power and their behind-the-scenes
patrons. Eventually it will HAVE to become cheaper
to employ Americans because there won't be any
jobs here at the good-old-days wages.
Well, there's one other option ... America keeps
losing industries and jobs until we collapse into
a 2nd or 3rd-world country. The new industrial
world - east asia - well ... once they bleed us
dry they won't really NEED us anymore. Maybe,
after a decade or two of starvation, we will
become THEIR cheap labor pool and China will
begin to outsource it's jobs HERE. Then the
wheel will have come 'round ...
Larry Hewitt
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you attacking my condemnation of the excuse
for outsourcing by saying so many good jobs have been outsourced we
cshouldn't try to keep what was left??
Intel makes its processors in the US. IBM also useed parts - especially
wiring harnesses, chassis parts, and connectors, made in Charllotte, NC and
in South Carolina. Yes, some parts are made inplaces outside the US.
BTW, the subsidiary plants in Charlotte and South Carolina closed or were
sold off and made smaller.
But workes in IBM's Research Triangle Assembly plants made $15/hr or more.
Not the best pay, but better than average.
> BTW ... Gateway has lost gigabucks and has closed-down
> most or all of its retail outlets.
Gateway's losses have nothing to do with PCs- they are getting killed in
consumer electronics (esp flat screen tvs). In fact, the CEO announced in
the last week or two th\at they are leaving the consumer electronic maerket
and concentrating on their profitable PC core businesses.
Dell survives mostly
> on its name.
But it is surving well, according to its financial statements.
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/sec/10k-fy03.html#003
IBM doesn't make much money on PCs anymore,
Ibm rarely made money on pcs. And that fact that they don't make money of
their "cheaper" pcs made in China supports my point --- "lower" labor costs
are not always the answer to sales problems.
> except maybe notebooks, and instead survives on deals
> and services for corporate-scale installations.
>
> >Income tax preparattion services moved to India. But there was _no_
> >international competition, and no indication that the service was priced
too
> >high. Consumer costs have not decreased, so the move has only produced
more
> >profit.
>
> Hmmm ... I wonder what protections exist in India
> against using all that info for identity theft ?
> If I were you, I'd employ an American accountant.
>
True. The problem is that the financial services companies are anot always
oblliged to tell you the info goes overseas for computation - mostly data
entry.
But this still doesn;t address why it is going to India anyway. In some
cases it _increases_ costs. A tax office nearby started shipping info to
India - and the people in the office here sat around, doing nothing.
> Also, "profit" is not a dirty word in and of itself.
> There still seem to be mass quantities of all-American
> accountants and tax-prep folks making a fair living
> despite some outsourcing.
>
Profit is good, if it is not earned at the expense of the employees.
The tax prep inddustry is being hurt by technology, not high employee wages.
Wages in this industry are being depressed in general.
> >The same thing is truwe for most IT jobs shipped to India. International
> >competition was minimal, and the market weas paying the existing costs.
> >
> >And again for the help desk industry.
> >
> >And again for the financial services industry.
> >
> >The pressure to move is caused by OTHERS moving first. Not by
international
> >competition of price restrictions.
>
> Businesses exist to make profits for their owners.
> They have no obligations over and above that purpose
> unless they WANT to assume such responsibilities.
> Crappy profits = no more business = no more jobs
> in the USA (or elsewhere).
>
They do have obligations beyond raw profit. Despite what the right tries to
foist off as truth, we are part ofhte same community. If business, in tot,
do not pay a society enough to buy their products, then they will fail
anyway. If business do not pay enopugh in taxes to maintian the
infrastructure they need to operate somoothly, then profits are diminshed.
Businesses around here are your typical right taxophobes - even locating out
in the boonies off of narrow 2 lane county roads to avoid property and city
taxes. That is, until winters like this last one. WE got hit by a series of
snow/ice storms, and most of the county was closed for 3 week days at a time
because the county has no ability to respond to a weather emergency.
> Dealing with overseas employees requires time and
> attention. There's a POINT where US labor becomes
> more expensive than the money + effort involved in
> dealing with overseas workers. That's the point
> where outsourcing becomes profitible.
There are other considerations. The biggest is tax liability, by far.Recent
tax laws, couled with lax enforcemtnt and corporate chutzpah, allow money
earned overseas and spent overseas to be untaxed. So, in the case of the
tax prepares, for example, if the companies cook the books to say that the
_foreign_ subsidiary is paid, and the _foreign_ profits sta y in India, then
no US taxes are applicable. But there are ways to launder the profits - some
even legal - to get the money back to owners/investors in the US.
Clearly that
> point has been long passed in certain focus
> industries. Do they outsource for "more profit" ?
> Hell yes. US labor unacceptably cut into profits
> so the ownership sought to improve their situation.
> This isn't evil - it's a sign that it's become WAY
> too expensive to employ an American.
>
US labor is the source of those profits. Without laboe there are no products
or services for sale. And, as I statred above,most outsopurcing is not to
keep a company profitibale, it is to increase profits and avoid taxes. At
some point this becomes predatory. I think we have passed this point.
Larry
Roedy Green
quoted :
>Do you REALLY
> think ANY of the abovementioned entities are
> gonna slack-off just to reduce the need for
> outsourcin
yes. For the same reason they play by the restrictive social and
environmental rules in Germany. They want the markets. If you have a
level playing field, companies can still make money.
BlackWater
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:46:10 GMT, b...@barrk.net (BlackWater) wrote or
>quoted :
>
>>Do you REALLY
>> think ANY of the abovementioned entities are
>> gonna slack-off just to reduce the need for
>> outsourcin
>
>yes. For the same reason they play by the restrictive social and
>environmental rules in Germany. They want the markets. If you have a
>level playing field, companies can still make money.
Ah you goofy lefties ... always want that "level playing
field" even if it takes massive Big Brotherism to achieve.
Yea, THAT'S gonna solve all our woes ... our legislators
can't even solve their own personal problems .....
Oh yea, "level" fields rapidly become un-even again. Do
you figure Big Bro ought to continually tamper in order
to short-circuit the normal ebb and flow of business
and profits just to keep things "even" all of the time ?
The capitalist landscape is SUPPOSED to be uneven. There
are SUPPOSED to be hills to climb, and pitfalls to slide
into. The uneven nature of things creates a constant
flow of money, jobs and opportunities. Your "level"
economy ... well, there are other words for it ... try
"stagnant", "dead", "zombielike" or "medicated". A dismal
micromanaged prozac-injected socialist cesspool devoid of
either joy or sorrows, hope or fears, red hot opportunities
or bitter failures. Just the kind of thing most of those
wimpy euros love ... and why the rest come HERE.
"Level" don't cut it and the loophole that benifits company 'A'
today will benifit competitor 'B' tomorrow. Business isn't
all about "playing fair" - it's about WINNING ... well, until
you get dealt a poor hand ... then it's the next guys chance
to win. Get what you can and enjoy it while it lasts because
"un-evenness" guarentees it won't last forever. That's how
humans live ... socialism, well, that's for mice.
Roedy Green
quoted :
> Ah you goofy lefties ... always want that "level playing
> field" even if it takes massive Big Brotherism to achieve.
Enforcing the laws against unfair monopolistic practices in not "big
brotherism". Big brotherism is snooping on what library books you
read.
BlackWater
<loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:09:02 GMT, BlackWater <b...@barrk.net> wrote or
>quoted :
>
>> Ah you goofy lefties ... always want that "level playing
>> field" even if it takes massive Big Brotherism to achieve.
>
>Enforcing the laws against unfair monopolistic practices in not "big
>brotherism". Big brotherism is snooping on what library books you
>read.
Big Brotherism encompasses BOTH, and more ... a lot more.
It's government micromanagement of affairs private and
public, individual and commercial. Not necessarily
malicious in intent ... but achieving the look and feel
of malice nevertheless.
Erik Trammel
"Arved Sandstrom" <asand...@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
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> "Larry Hewitt" <larr...@comporium.net> wrote in message
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>>
All industrialized Western nations are outsourcing, the U.S., Canada
(Bombardier, Nortel, Canada Steamship
Lines etc.) West Germany, France, Britian, Finland, Sweden--they are all
doning it. Look at it
as a form of Western aid to the Third World which is more effective than
government to government handouts,
which were so common in the '60s, '70s and '80s.
The national socialists, some politicians, "liberals" and labor unions,
oppose it.
Anti free-market leftists dislike it. But these neanderthals are always
wrong.
George Grapman
Tell us how tax breaks for companies that outsource is free market.
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Siobhan Medeiros
So basically, Blackwater gives us two options. Either have the jobs
move out, or have workers impoverish themselves until they become
"competitive". Yeah right. What a choice.
News flash, we don't want our workers poor and miserable. We want
them well-paid and comfortable. If an industry can't provide
well-paying jobs...fuck em. Make room for the next guy.
Roedy Green
<sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote or quoted :
>Tell us how tax breaks for companies that outsource is free market.
The important point to understand is Bush's policies ENCOURAGE
outsourcing.
"Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
thing."
~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
Explaining why George's record for exporting American jobs to India
Richard Hutnik
Bull! Desperation? A company is going to maximize profits, and if
they can outsource to do it, so be it. Didn't you hear the economy is
going along fine, and we are recovering. Well, guess what, IBM (which
is having a smashing year successfully) downsized a bunch of people in
their On Demand development division this year. How do I know this?
Well, I was one of them. They also SLASHED SPENDING to that division.
Such a hotshot division, which they depend their future on (see the
ads) and they SLASH THE BUDGET.
In good times or bad, companies will do whatever they can to be
profitable. Companies don't just get extra nice because they have to.
The department I was in witnessed 5 Indian developers who were
brought on board. They did a hack job and stole code to complete what
was done. Out department got busted up, and 4 people were let go from
the division, myself included.
- Richard Hutnik
redclay13
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outsourcing. In Richmond some folks lost good $18.00/hr with benefits work
due to outsourcing and a couple are working 15 to 18 hours a day as
independent couriers. Of course they have no benefits and are paying all
the vehicle expenses; these are some of the small businessmen that Bush II
praises as the backbone of the economy. Thank you President Bush; "he con o
me". Have you found a job yet and if so what type of work.
Search "kevin phillips" +bush +war for some informatin on the history of the
bush clan and its close association to the robber barons and the war
profiteers.
David Fabian
>
> Search "kevin phillips" +bush +war for some informatin on the history of the
> bush clan and its close association to the robber barons and the war
> profiteers.
Or see, for example:
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html
http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html
q...@q.com
cancelled $5b outsourcing contract with IBM Global services.
JP is insourcing all that work!!!!!!!!!!!
David Fabian
> And did you also hear that JPMorganChase has
> cancelled $5b outsourcing contract with IBM Global services.
> JP is insourcing all that work!!!!!!!!!!!
Great! Maybe they will hire me, so I can pay back the $80K
I owe them.
q...@q.com
Minimum 3 years of Oracle (8.x and higher), SAS (8.2, 9.0), SAS Access,
SAS Interface to Oracle and Unix shell scripting experience required.
Strong SAS, SQL, PL/SQL, experience required.
Experience with HP-UX, SUN Solaris, FTP and Windows NT also required.
Strong analytical skills required along with significant attention to
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Experience in mortgage industry or financial services strongly preferred.
Knowledge of application lifecycle development a plus.
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Roedy Green
:
>And did you also hear that JPMorganChase has
>cancelled $5b outsourcing contract with IBM Global services.
>JP is insourcing all that work!!!!!!!!!!!
The key is to make sure those that insource are publicly praised and
those that outsource are boycotted.
Then AUTOMATICALLY the bottom line will direct toward insourcing.
Roedy Green
:
>3 years of Oracle (8.x and higher), SAS (8.2, 9.0), SAS Access,
One problem Java programmers have is gaining experience on very
expensive software such as Oracle and SAS. You pretty well have to
land a job with a Fortune 500 company to get that experience.
Unfortunately, you need the experience to land the job.
In India you can get the experience with pirated copies running actual
businesses.
q...@q.com
thundercleets@ no_spam_here yahoo.com
That's one of the usual excuses, "we need to outsource to remain
competitive and or solvent"
CEO saleries are up 24% since last year and corporate execs are taking
more of a percentage of total salery at a given company now then they
ever have since the stat was tracked.
On top of that many of the companies who have overpaid corporate execs
and that still manage to make a profit are also wholesale outsourcing.
Case in point, Microsoft and HP.
TMT
Tim Jowers
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:45:25 GMT, Roedy Green
> <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:09:02 GMT, BlackWater <b...@barrk.net> wrote or
> >quoted :
bw, you are correct about the USA being expensive. We are the world
police and, thus, our government burns alot of cash.
We have to raise import tarriffs to fund the government as our
businesses continue to expatriate to avoid their fair share of income
tax. Ex-USA companies are benefitting from the expensive USA but not
paying their fair share. The benefactors are businesses in China,
India, or elsewhere. They none want their ships blown up and all want
to use our infrastructure and public services to assist in selling
their goods but none want to pay their fair share to fund this cost.
Meanwhile, the US worker is taxed 10x to 20x as much as the China
worker. Obviously all jobs that can leave will leave for the lower tax
load per worker. Shoot, you and I could set up an offshore company if
we were so inclined to avoid taxes and could direct our income there.
In this way we could charge about 1/2 as much for our work and still
end up with the same take home cash!
The only solution is to make imports taxes FAIR and AT LEAST that of
US work taxes. The USA today has given up its sovereignty to the WTO.
This is bad.
Yes, America will continue the Global Race to the Bottom unless we
level taxes so no longer are Americans punished for living and working
in America. And companies and individuals who benefit from America get
away with paying 5% import duties or in the case of services NO TAXES
AT ALL.
You thought of Big Bro. but did not realize we do not have a free
Capatilistic Democracy. At this time we have a Corporate Aristocracy
as taxes are levied on the citizens in order to provide benefits to
the corporate magnates. Worst of all, many of these corporate magnates
are not even in the USA or keep their profits ex-USA. Whay are these
companies investing overseas? The USA is NOT currently the land of
opportuninty. It is the land of taxes for any inside the USA and land
of sales with low taxes for those shipping goods in to sell. WMT et
cetera benefit while sites quote that something like 40% of the WMT
employees live in poverty. The success of a government can be measured
by the prosperity of its people. This metric cries out against the
current administration.
This problem of taxing Americans 20x what expat.s are taxed has to be
fixed by the next administration. Otherwise, smart people will
continue to leave America for India and the tax havens. Companies just
cannot get out fast enough.
> >> Ah you goofy lefties ... always want that "level playing
> >> field" even if it takes massive Big Brotherism to achieve.
> >
If you mean a lefty is one who calls for government interference then
certainly ALL US GOVERNMENT is on the left. They have setup a tax
system explicitly designed to punish those who work in the USA and
reward those who expatriate and ship jobs overseas. That Americans are
hanging in here is a true tribute to the American spirit. The US
Government, President George Bush et al, are running a
pre-Globalization Tax System even while they trumpet Offshoring.
> >Enforcing the laws against unfair monopolistic practices in not "big
> >brotherism". Big brotherism is snooping on what library books you
> >read.
>
I vote, like about 2/3 of the rest who were polled by CNN, to replace
Income Tax and all income withholdings with a National Sales Tax. In
this way, the imports will be taxed EXACTLY THE SAME as the local
goods and services. That would be fair. What we have now is very
rewarding to the Chinese company and very punishing to the American
company. Period. In the time of Globalization, the tax system has to
be fair and modernized.
Those of you who are proponents of Globalization (Offshoring) must be
embarrassed by the current non-Global Economy tax system. This current
system must be modernized or else it will definitely bankrupt the USA
as it forces individuals to also expatriate alongside their jobs.
Roedy Green
:
>You can download Oracle for FREE!!!!!!!
Personal Oracle. you don't get a job at a Fortune 500 if that is all
you have.
Bush is not on your side!
Marcus Andersson
> "Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
> things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
> thing."
> ~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
> Explaining why George's record for exporting American jobs to India
> was a good thing.
> Bush signed his report.
A free market system, including global free trade, is indeed a good
thing, which literally everyone benefits from.
How nice that Mr Bush got something right for once. Must have been a
fluke.
Marcus Andersson
>
> Businesses exist to make profits for their owners.
> They have no obligations over and above that purpose
> unless they WANT to assume such responsibilities.
> Crappy profits = no more business = no more jobs
> in the USA (or elsewhere).
>
> Dealing with overseas employees requires time and
> attention. There's a POINT where US labor becomes
> more expensive than the money + effort involved in
> dealing with overseas workers. That's the point
> where outsourcing becomes profitible. Clearly that
> point has been long passed in certain focus
> industries. Do they outsource for "more profit" ?
> Hell yes. US labor unacceptably cut into profits
> so the ownership sought to improve their situation.
> This isn't evil - it's a sign that it's become WAY
> too expensive to employ an American.
>
> Oh well, Democrat or Republican, this trend WILL
> continue until some sort of crisis point is reached.
> It's driven by money and that's a language common
> to all those in power and their behind-the-scenes
> patrons. Eventually it will HAVE to become cheaper
> to employ Americans because there won't be any
> jobs here at the good-old-days wages.
Yes there will. But perhaps not the same kinds of jobs as in the
"good-old-days". Each country has their advantage in producing a
certain type of commodity. And EVERYONE will benefit if each country
produces what they produce more efficiently than others and trade with
each other.
All you have to do is to look at a country with a market economic
system and see that yes, they do lose jobs to other countries now and
then but thanks to the market new jobs turn up instead. The
unemployment rate does not rise (except for in the very short run)
when companies "outsource" some of their activities.
> Well, there's one other option ... America keeps
> losing industries and jobs until we collapse into
> a 2nd or 3rd-world country. The new industrial
> world - east asia - well ... once they bleed us
> dry they won't really NEED us anymore. Maybe,
> after a decade or two of starvation, we will
> become THEIR cheap labor pool and China will
> begin to outsource it's jobs HERE. Then the
> wheel will have come 'round ...
It is so sad that we have these persons who believe the global economy
is a zero-sum game and that someone MUST lose if someone else gains
something.
A global free market economy means that literally everyone benefits.
If only everyone would realize this fact. All restrictions on the
market economic system means welfare losses for everyone.
Peter
How can there be 'free marker system' when one of the base costs of most
products is skewed because of the artificial price of oil.
Or do you mean kinda of 'free' market.
Free if we ignore OPEC, free if we ignore crooked auditors,
free if we ignore untendered contracts.
Oh I see .... free for me to pay the top dollar for oranges after a wind
storm but have my job sent abroad because there is more profit in
running sweat shops.
Free for me to pick up the tab when a 'savings and loan' scam is
routinely discovered.
What a glorious system!
Chelsea Rumsfeld
31 year old white man with a north European name [Schoedinger],
claimed to have been raped by US President George W Bush and some
syringe and remote viewing NSA thugs, FBI agents in Texas included in
the gang and same sex rape [her husband], and was planning to take him
to court -- has died of a gun shot
wound to the head 9 months after filing her suit, at age 38.
When she cried for help to Texas redneck policemen, they sided with
the Fed rapists and laughed at her.
She started to unravel after all the MK-ULTRA type ordeals she
endured, her husband too, became abusive from all his rapes and
drugged states that were involuntarily adminstered by the Men in
Black, but she never cracked.
Somehow a bullet was placed deep into her skull 'n bones.
her skull 'n bones
her skull 'n bones
her skull 'n bones
her skull 'n bones
her skull 'n bones
FOR TRANSCRIPTS OF ALL THE RAPE COURT DOCUMENTS, CLICK BELOW:
LAST FRIDAY (December 12), Margie Schoedinger, 38, was pronounced dead
as a result of a 'gunshot wound to the head'. The death was officially
registered as 'suicide' by the Harris County Examiner's Office.
As reported exclusively by New Nation in July, Schoedinger of Sugar
Land, Texas, had filed a lawsuit against President Bush (a former
Governor of Texas) in December 2002 accusing him of a series of
'individual sex crimes' against her and her husband.
FOR TRANSCRIPTS OF ALL THE RAPE COURT DOCUMENTS, CLICK BELOW:
Document Detail
Case Number: 22127
Date Received: 12/03/2002
Case Type: RAPE AND RACIAL HARRASSMENT
Plaintiffs
SCHOEDINGER MARGIE
Defendants
BUSH GEORGE W
Documents
Date Filed
12/03/2002 COPY REQUEST 3
12/03/2002 DOCKET SHEET 1
12/03/2002 PETITION 7
12/04/2002 CITATION 1
01/06/2003 MOTION ON MEDIATION/ALERNATE DISPUTE RESOLUTION 4
01/06/2003 ORDER ON ADR/MEDIATION PROCEDURES 1
01/07/2003 LETTER FROM CLERK 1
05/24/2004 ORDER OF DISMISSAL 1
05/24/2004 MOTION TO DISMISS 4
07/20/2004 LETTERS/NOTICE OF HEARING 4
http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986259-1-3.pdf
[above] TEXAS CIVIL COURT PDF RE: LAWSUIT AGAINST GW BUSH for rape of
a woman 20 years younger than him --- filed in 2002. She was found
dead of a gunshot wound to the head recently.
Look for the story in the STAR NEWSGROUP, Civil Copy Requested by
LeeAnn Kleintzman, Dec. 6th, 2002. Missouri City, Texas.
New Nation
http://www.thoughtcrimenews.com/bushrape.htm
Monday 8th December 2003
A black woman who claimed to have been raped by US President George W
Bush and was planning to take him to court has died of a gun shot
wound to the head.
LAST FRIDAY (December 12), Margie Schoedinger, 38, was pronounced dead
as a result of a 'gunshot wound to the head'. The death was officially
registered as 'suicide' by the Harris County Examiner's Office.
As reported exclusively by New Nation in July, Schoedinger of Sugar
Land, Texas, had filed a lawsuit against President Bush (a former
Governor of Texas) in December 2002 accusing him of a series of
'individual sex crimes' against her and her husband.
In the amazing seven- page document, filed at Fort Bend County Court
in Texas, Schoedinger claimed that Bush had abducted, drugged, raped
and beat her.
She also suggested that she 'dated George W Bush as a minor', and the
President may have been the father of a child she miscarried following
the alleged rape.
Appear
Schoedinger said she had filed the lawsuit on December 3, 2002 and
although court documents filed on the following day mention Bush and
offer him 20 days to respond or appear in Fort Bend, it is still
unclear whether the President was ever served with the suit.
Schoedinger was attempting to claim US$1 million in actual damages,
plus US$49 million for punitive damages including emotional distress
and loss of freedom.
Speaking earlier this year to American journalist Jackson Thoreau,
Schoedinger said that the President had personally contacted her to
say that he wanted her dead, but could trust no one to carry out the
crime.
Of course, there is no indication that the president had anything
whatsoever to do with her death.
Of the lawsuit she said: 'I am still trying to prosecute, but as yet,
I haven't had a court date set.
'I want to get this matter settled and go on with my life. People have
to be accountable for what they do and that is why I am pursuing this
lawsuit.'
The US media had largely ignored the filing of the lawsuit and the
story had only appeared in a local newspaper.
---
They should have jammed GW Bush's microwave remote viewing
transmissions during his dim debate so that he would have stumbled
as much as usual.
The new adjective for GW Bush since his radio remote control debate
[did all of you see him listening to his radio implant cochlear
microchip and parrot what Central Control was feeding to him?] ...
well, the new
adjectives since GW proved on national TV that he is a remote viewer,
are:
peevish; prissy; sophomoric; repetitive; burdened by constipated
dogmas; dyslexic; arrogant; supercilious; sanctimonious; smugly pious.
Was GW a "leader" in his failed business ventures that checkered his
oil careers in Texas? If so, just how did he show "leadership"
qualities.
He has never demonstrated military leadership qualities, he went AWOL
with Pappa's blessings and the kiss of life from Skull & Bones.
So, why is GW questioning John Kerry's leadership qualities?
I don't get it.
---
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hostage already?
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We have so many politicians and lawyers per capita, more than any
place on earth, that just 1/5th of those caught fleecing their clients
and the public could be served up on a BBQ and feed all the war
refugees in Iraq and Palestine.
They might make good prison food here in the States too. Supplemental
protein. U.S. prisoners are a MIGHTY large unemployed subgroup that
is never counted in our unemployment statistics. You will not find
wealthy people in there, they buy their way out via our illustrious
court and fair and balanced justice system.
Once your U.S. unemployment benefits are expired and you are lying in
a welfare hotel dealing with hookers and x-cons and druggies, cause
there is nowhere else to go but homeless in the streets, and you
scrabble to pick up any work at all, even part time minimum wage with
an MS degree after your name, our DOL counts you as "employed".
Do you find that scientific?
Chelsea Rumsfeld
Thom
Andersson) wrote:
>Roedy Green <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message news:<oqc2l0hc41v1lg4p1...@4ax.com>...
>
>> "Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
>> things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
>> thing."
>> ~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
>> Explaining why George's record for exporting American jobs to India
>> was a good thing.
>> Bush signed his report.
>
>
>A free market system, including global free trade, is indeed a good
>thing, which literally everyone benefits from.
When can we expect that to start? Even the founding fathers were
against FREE TRADE and argued for FAIR TRADE.
THOM
Marcus Andersson
> Splain please Mr. Anderson.
> How can there be 'free marker system' when one of the base costs of most
> products is skewed because of the artificial price of oil.
> Or do you mean kinda of 'free' market.
In what way do you mean that the price of oil is artificial?
It is decided by the market. In other words, the price of oil is a
compromise between producers and buyers.
Marcus Andersson
> On 7 Oct 2004 11:20:59 -0700, marc_...@hotmail.com (Marcus
> Andersson) wrote:
>
> >Roedy Green <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message news:<oqc2l0hc41v1lg4p1...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >> "Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
> >> things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
> >> thing."
> >> ~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic Advisors.
> >> Explaining why George's record for exporting American jobs to India
> >> was a good thing.
> >> Bush signed his report.
> >
> >
> >A free market system, including global free trade, is indeed a good
> >thing, which literally everyone benefits from.
> When can we expect that to start?
Unfortunately, I fear it will take quite some time... there's so much
fear all over our world... fear of the market economic system even
though we know for a fact that it is superior to any other system in
creating higher living standards for everyone.
> Even the founding fathers were
> against FREE TRADE and argued for FAIR TRADE.
And those founding fathers could not have been wrong in ANYTHING,
could they?
Peter
.... how fuckin' dumb are you?
Golan Cipel
chels...@hotmail.com (Chelsea Rumsfeld) wrote in message news:<c0639235.04100...@posting.google.com>...
Jacques DeMolested
THE REAL DOPE ON CRASH INTO PENTAGON ON 9-11:
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
Donald Rumsfeld) wrote in message news:<c0639235.>...
ZARDOZ
KO'd at the debate last night ... what a killing!
After that, he will never win the Election without fixing it through
Diebold Computers and his Golem brother, Jeb, pulling strings with the
Skull and Bones.
After the debate, even the Skull and Bones will have to pick Kerry as
their winner between two Bonesmen.
jacky_da...@yahoo.com (Jacques DeMolested) wrote in message news:<ab1305ab.04100...@posting.google.com>...
Vaj Ina Valley
the whole nation.
zardoz_u...@yahoo.com (ZARDOZ) wrote in message news:<b195d5b8.04100...@posting.google.com>...
Revolt of the Igigi
HOUSE:
Many estimates of the true and uncomfortable number of illegal
immigrants in the US now are put at around 150 million.
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
This is called "Inshore In-Your-Face" union busting and job
marginalization for people already legal and working in the USA.
Inshore in-your-face job losses hurt individuals and our nation even
more than Outsourcing and OffShore jobbing --- those two terms that
have been in the puppet's mouth for both Skull and
Bones-owned-and-parceled presidential candidates for over a year now.
Paradoxically, nobody in Wash DC ever did anything about Outsourcing
nor Inshoring-in-your-face with a galaxy of illegal immigrants, for
the last decade, except for Paul Wellstone, who was murdered in his
airplane at the time of his near victory in the Senate race.
Everyone has seen the "Save a child in the 3rd world for $18" ads on
TV. They are compelling and convincing.
The best way to help other countries is to send $18/month and let them
evolve on the path to betterment, like our Founding Fathers and all
the generations since then.
Otherwise, there will be hemmorhaging of jobs and ill will and malice
and gladitorial style competition here at home as wages and work
conditions revert back to the Aztec warlords and their human
sacrifices.
Get a grip. The immigration issue has been foisted on all of us by
both the Right and the Left. Work out the math and then register with
your local union once you see that legal immigration is fine but
illegal immigration is a crime.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED SEPT. 11TH, 2001 ????
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
------------
PeeWee "W", Dubya, lil George, whatever, got SMOKED and WHOPPED ...
KO'd at the debate last night ... what a killing!
After that, he will never win the Election without fixing it through
Diebold Computers and his Golem brother, Jeb, pulling strings with the
Skull and Bones.
After the debate, even the Skull and Bones will have to pick Kerry as
their winner between two Bonesmen.
But, to take a look at this weeks newspapers, re: THE COMATOSE ECONOMY
AND BROKEN U.S. NATION:
AT&T cutting 20% of all personnel [over 12,000]
$140 billion spending SCANDAL at the Pentagon over military
contracting, now under the eye of the Justice Dept., with the likes of
Boeing and Lockheed having political ramifications going all the way
up to the Bush White House.
Allstate insurance slashed from their payroll 94% of agents over 40
years old [there is a class action lawsuit].
Our worst employment statistics since the Great Depression
Reuters to us OUTSOURCING and triple their numbers of workers they
have at their Bangalore worksite for GLOBAL OUTSOURCING in India.
These are just a few of hundreds of daily reports.
Where are the jobs???
Where is a story about people queued up and grabbing a job?
Where are the interviews on Dateline with all the millions upon
millions of Americans desperate for work???
I saw enough of Jay-Lo and Kobe and Dan Rather?
Give us the real news.
> ATT laying off thousands.
>
> Areva Nuclear of France doing business with Savannah River Nuke
> projects in Georgia for big bucks.
>
> lay offs lay offs and more lay offs
>
> When was the last time you heard of a hiring trend?
>
> And we still have some kind of an economy?
>
> Both Bush and Kerry better debate this #1 issue tonight.
>
>
> vajina...@yahoo.com (Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message news:<49566ad4.04091...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
> > ILO 'economic security' ranking
> >
> > America is a lowly 25th on the list.
> >
> > The article states that the USA - "scoring high on labour force
> > unease" - ranks 25th in the list, hence its "pragmatist" status and
> > dingy brown colour-coding
> >
> > Japan 18th on ILO economic security ranking
> >
> >
> > September 2004 at 01:02 JST
> >
> > GENEVA -- Japan placed 18th in an economic security ranking released by
> > the International Labour Organization (ILO) on Wednesday.
> >
> > A survey for the new Economic Security Index measured 90 countries'
> > performance in seven work-related areas employment opportunities,
> > protection against unfair dismissal, career evolution, health
> > protection measures at work, work training, minimum wages and trade
> > union representation. (Kyodo News)
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Pacesetters (as denoted by map colour, totalling 25):1 Sweden,2
> > Finland, 3 Norway,4 Denmark,5 Netherlands,6 Belgium,7 France,8
> > Luxembourg,9 Germany, 10 Canada,11 Ireland,12 Austria,13 Spain,14 Portugal,15 UK,16 Switzerland, 17 Japan,18 Italy,19 Estonia,20 Lithuania,21 Czech Republic,22 Cyprus, 23 Greece,24 Bulgaria,25 America.
> >
> > "Pragmatists" (also by map colour, falling into a 2nd category):
> > Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, South Korea, Slovakia, Latvia,
> > Costa Rica, Chile
> >
> > zardoz_u...@yahoo.com (ZARDOZ) wrote in message news:<b195d5b8.04091...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > The UN data compilation service in Switzerland just put the USA at a
> > > low number 25 in the list of countries that are fair and just and
> > > helpful with employment issues, medical, training, unions, and
> > > training.
> > >
> > > The UK was WAY ahead of us.
> > >
> > > Japan beat our pants off.
> > >
> > > Some third world countries were above us on the list.
> > >
> > > Ouch!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > vajina...@yahoo.com (Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message news:<49566ad4.0409...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > > Re: Unemployment tallied at 20% in US ... this is why Reserves join up
> > > > for minimum wage and kill Muslims overseas for Israel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >You must be pretty thick not to see the alarming masses
> > > > of unemployed in the States.
> > > >
> > At LEAST 56 million people are not working who should be .... just
> > look around you and start counting. And then there is the
added problem of 150 million illegal immigrants.
> > > >
> > > > In the giant groups of part time employed, only- a- few- days- a -year
> > > > employed, "self employed" -- is a kind of joke for most, or a
> > > > convenient lie to save face -- prisoners, soldiers [they are not
> > > > really working in the true sense of the word -- unless they are
> > > > defending our own states from internal attack from invading armies,
> > > > not illusive suspected terrorists], downsized, outsourced, laid off,
> > > > fired, reduced hours, handicapped, disabled, early retirement [such as
> > > > forced to retire at 48 years of age, etc.], homeless folk, ... the
> > > > list is endless and it amounts easily to 56 million.
> > > >
> > > > Trust funders are not employed either. They count for more than their
> > > > parents money.
> > > >
> > > > 56 million is easily about the same number of illegal immigrants in
> > > > the country now too! I said I-L-L-E-G-A-L. We need to learn how to
> > > > do immigration from the Europeans, who have been doing it much better
> > > > for over 15-20 years now.
> > > >
> > > > The illegal immigrants are not "working," for employment is illegal if
> > > > you are not a legal resident. Do we not have laws? For what then, do
> > > > we have Patriot Acts and Homeland Security.
> > > >
> > > > Counting the illegal immigrants --- now the number of unemployed is
> > > > DOUBLED to 112 million.
> > > >
> > > > -------
> > > > Vash The Stampede <tri...@2am.cn wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > So, there are 56,000,000,000 Americans out of work?
> > > >
> > > > ------
> > > >
> > > > Our American unemployment rate is not only near 20%, it is over!
> > > >
> > > > Our prisoner-saturated culture, highest in the world, even more than
> > > > in Stalin's gulag days, or during the holocausts of modern China in
> > > > which 40-60 million Chinese were exterminated between 1930-1990,
> > > > more than 3/4 of the executed and holocausted in the 1950s alone, account for a sizable number of unemployed who are not counted in our
> > > pathetically inaccurate and doctored US statistics.
> > > >
> > > >Anybody who gave up trying to get a job here, which is nearly anyone
> > > >without one -- when you go door to door for a job at 1/10th of your
> > > >former level, for a year or longer, cause there is nothing else out
> > > >there, and they smirk and show you the door as an illegal immigrant
> > > >walks in proudly and gets the job at 1/2 of the legal salary ...
> > > > these dead souls in the tens of millions are not counted in the unemployed either by our DOL, which is now part of Homeland Security, if you
> > > >follow closely the diagrammatic tree of all the federal agencies
> > > >under its covert umbrella.
> > > >
> > > > Those citizens that lost jobs due to company closures or scandals
> > > > are not counted.
> > > >
> > > > Those who lost jobs to outsourcing overseas or to H1-B visa holders
> > > > displacing their job here at home are not counted.
> > > >
> > > > Self-employed who are just hanging on and at the poverty level, but
> > > > too proud to say the truth to their few friends, are not counted.
> > > > This is a large slice of America. Even Walmart stock is slipping
> > > > and Costco sales are falling too, showing the very bottom is giving way
> > > > to collapse.
> > > >
> > > > Early retired due to corporate pressures are not counted.
> > > >
> > > > And the poor National Guard and Reservists earning less than Walmart
> > > > slaves who went to Afghanistan and Iraq out of desperation for a
> > > > paycheck are not counted.
> > > >
> > > > Nor are their wives and kids who are treated with fiscal contempt by
> > > > our current Administration, they are not counted either.
> > > >
> > > > In Germany, the employment statistics are spotlessly clean,
> > > > uncorrupted, and accurate. The Germans were the biggest exporters
> > > > in the world in the last two years with a booming economy.
> > > >
> > > > That cannot be said of the U.S. We came in 25th for job security
> > > > and fairness and worker-friendly culture in the latest UN ratings of the
> > > > world.
> > > >
> > > > Canada was in the top ten, along with Germany and the Scandinavian
> > > > countries. Japan was high on the list, and the UK was way ahead of
> > > > US too, which is very sad to see since UK has had a sorry history in
> > > > labor justice throughout its long imperialist history.
> > > >
> > > > Now ... what was it you were saying?
> > > >
> > > > Igigi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:03:21 -0700, ken finian wrote:
> > > >
> > > >With more outsourcing under John Kerry we will have a HIGHER
> > > >unemployment rate than East Germany, with less medical aid from the
> > > >taxes we pay also.
> > > >
prizzi...@yahoo.com (Prizzi Mizzi) wrote in message news:<4fc2743.04101...@posting.google.com>...
> GW was running so scared in last night's debate, i could swear i saw a
> splat of shat running down his leg and staining the seat of his
> trousers.
>
> Poor man. He needs to return to Yale and learn basic conversational
> skills and also some undergrad credits in leadership.
>
> Let us all pray for our leader.
>
>> >
> > >ART DECO---Young usenet palm masturbator,
> > >
> > >Please get over your obsession with SOCK PUPPETS, whatever they are,
> > >... but you need a sock psychiatrist, and soon, before you start
> > >threading socks and puppets into your ass as a relief from your petty
> > >postings.
> > >
> > >--------------------
> > >
> > >Christopher Reeve, Superman, would have been a real problem for GW and
> > >his reelection if him and Kerry were on TV every night for two weeks
> > >leading up to the election, gaining the affection of the nation ...
> > >thereby losing his bid.
> > >
> > >NOTE: BARBARA WALTERS SPOKE TO REEVE IN MID WEEK AND HE WAS JUST FINE,
> > >BETTER THAN IVER. REEVE CALLED JOHN KERRY ON SATURDAY ON HIS CELL
> > >PHONE TO THANK HIM FOR BRINGING UP HIS NAME DURING THE DEBATE. LESS
> > >THAN 24 HOURS LATER, HE SUDDENLY DIED, FROM SOMETHING HIS DOCTORS HAD
> > >PREVENTED FOR NEARLY A DECADE.
> > >
> > >..........it would have been a cinch to send NSA spooks and remote
> > >viewers to the bedside of vulnerable Mr. Reeve and set up a cardiac arrest, thru sepsis and a bedsore [that is still damned quick, given that he was
> > >fine when he spoke to John Kerry just 21 hours earlier].
> > >
> > >chels...@hotmail.com (Chelsea Rumsfeld) wrote in message news:<c0639235.04101...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > GW BUSH uses remote viewing and synthetic telepathy for his debates
> > > ... the hump on his back may be satanic in nature, or from Notre
> > >Dame, but it was not a transmitter.
> > >
> > > He has a nanochip implanted in his cochlear portion of his ear canal,
> > > deep inside his skull, that uses the microwave tranmissions of remote
> > > viewing in which it is a two way communication.
> > >
> >
> > > Many NSA and CIA and Army Intel, even UK elitist businessmen have
> > >this technology, which was already in an advanced form in the 1950s
> > >and is classified as a most secret development, as secret as HAARP
> > > ionospheric maser blasts, today still, albeit in a super advanced
> > > stage of development not even registered by our top science fiction
> > > writers, who get their ideas from R&D anyway.
> >
>
> > >
> > > THE REAL DOPE ON CRASH INTO PENTAGON ON 9-11:
> > > http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php
> > >
> > > zardoz_u...@yahoo.com (ZARDOZ) wrote in message news:<b195d5b8.04100...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > PeeWee "W", Dubya, lil George, whatever, got SMOKED and WHOPPED ...
> > > KO'd at the debate last night ... what a killing!
> > >
> > > After that, he will never win the Election without fixing it through
> > > Diebold Computers
> >
> >> >
> > >and his Golem brother, Jeb, pulling strings with
> > >the Skull and Bones. JEB BUSH IS TOTALLY SATANIC. LOOK AT HIS EYES
> > >CLOSELY IN THE PBS FRONTLINE DOCUMENTARY ON THE TWO PREZ CANDIDATES
> > >WHEN JEB IS STANDING BEHIND HIS FATHER DURING THE FIRST PREZ CAMPAIGN
> > >FOR A BUSH, ... HIS EYES ARE LUCIFERIAN.
> > >
> > > After the debate, even the Skull and Bones will have to pick Kerry
> > >as their winner between two Bonesmen.
> >
vajina...@yahoo.com (Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message news:<49566ad4.04101...@posting.google.com>...
General MARK CLARK
qualified than GW to be president that will do the job in the White
House for way less than $9,3444. tell your grunt to move out of the
way!
igigi_...@yahoo.co.uk (Revolt of the Igigi) wrote in message news:<d7a08cf0.04101...@posting.google.com>...
AGREED
Chelsea Rumsfeld
Nobody, or hardly anyone, hires an unemployed American citizen
anymore, since the freebooting illegal immigration became par for the
course in the last ten years.
If you have a small business, you never have to pay minimum wage if
you don't want to the illegal immigrant, nor health nor pension nor
medical nor vacation, and you can fire them whenever you please, no
repercussions.
If you are a large factory, such as Perdue Chickens, or a
slaughterhouse or mining company, you can institute harsh working
conditions that are unsafe and still all the perks apply above.
A legal citizen has rights ... to all the above, even though the
minimum wage is so low as to be insulting in a western democracy ...
every right except to grab a non-high end job.
Even high end job holders here are being replaced by H1-B visa
holders: engineers, computer programers, designers, graphics experts,
animators.
These jobs are being outsourced and shipped offshore, in addition.
It is a congressionally engineered phenomena, both Houses, due to the
lobbying and payoffs of the big corporations.
When you lose your job and look around even at K-Mart to be a cashier
and nobody gives you the time of day, due to the reasons above, you
will not post such misunderstandings as you already did.
Sir Cumference <m...@this.moc wrote in message news:<j8ednbEYSqG...@gbronline.com...
Chelsea Rumsfeld wrote:
it is about time somebody brought up that in this vicious economy
the
illegal immigrants are getting better and better jobs than the legal
residents who are unemployed.
So why don't the local residents get out and hustle for the jobs as
well? It always amazes me how these unemployed set around and cry
about
how they can't get a job, but an illegal Mexican can come across the
boarder and find a job in one day.
Too many are afraid of getting there hands dirty, so they set around
and
whine.
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---
Igigi
--------------------
After the debate, even the Skull and Bones will have to pick Kerry as
Jacques DeMolested
then trying to get rehired is like rolling a large stone up a
mountain.
I would not work as President and take on the job for $9,344/yr, but
for $19,344/yr I will, with or without benefits.
And you will get a president who seldom lies, unlike our current GW,
who seldom does not lie.
Every time I think i am onto a job that will just get me by, rather
than starve and slip into ill health like now, it is given to an
illegal immigrant, who has no concerns about what this does to our
country overall. He/she just wants to make more here than in their
horrible country that he/she ran away from, rather than fight to
improve. There is little else in their heads for motivation when they
arrive illegally.
Illegal immigration is the death of legal immigration and unions and
job security for all.
general_m...@hotmail.com (General MARK CLARK) wrote in message news:<b6a34bed.04101...@posting.google.com>...
> Hell son, I can find you an undocumented illegal immigrant who is more
General MARK CLARK
NEW YORKER ARTICLE IN FULL
The Best Job in Town
HOW OFFICE TIGER
OUTSOURCING NYC-INDIA-CHINA
WILL FUCK THE DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED WORLD
By Katherine Boo
Senior Fellow
The New Yorker
July 5, 2004
One Monday this spring, a forty-three-year-old salesclerk at the Home
Depot in Plano, Texas, scribbled some updates onto an old résumé and
took it to his local copy shop. To his education and work history—a
bachelor's degree in industrial engineering and technology, service in
the U.S. Marine Corps—he added a recent moonlighting job as a handyman
and a new "career objective." Ten minutes later, in southern India, a
middle-aged Hindu man in a cavernous workplace began to type the Home
Depot clerk's words. A prevailing fiction in the Indian office was
that the dozens of "document specialists" doing American work didn't
actually register the content of the résumés, funeral programs, pro-se
lawsuits, and erotic manifestos sent to them over broadband from store
counters with "While-U-Wait" signs. Rather, the document specialists
were to type, format, proofread, and zap things back while maintaining
an exquisite blankness of mind. But American résumés, as much as
American erotica, caused an inconvenient upwelling of emotion. "To
secure a position at a company that would utilize my skills and
provide an opportunity for advancement: row upon row of typing Indians
recognized the Plano clerk's yearning as their own.
The typists were new, entry-level employees at a prominent firm in the
sprawling coastal city of Chennai—still "wet behind the ears," as
Americans would say, or so they'd been informed during a company crash
course on Western ways. Their narrow cubicles were lodged on the sixth
floor of a pink stucco building whose lobby possessed, in addition to
a purposeless set of turnstiles and a statue of the Hindu god Ganesh,
solid evidence that even plastic rhododendrons will wilt in extreme
heat. Most of the workers had been born in Chennai and would, in all
likelihood, die there. Still, from their workstations they could
imagine, not unreasonably, that they were seeing a bit of the world.
Their employer, a company named Office Tiger, did the work not just of
an American copy-shop chain but of seven of the twelve biggest banks
on Wall Street—confidential labor carried out in unmarked rooms with
film-covered windows, closed-circuit cameras, and electronic security
so unforgiving that as the typist finished the résumé from Plano three
bankers, accidentally locked in a nearby room, were frantically
pounding on a door. Office Tiger also performed work for a Big Four
accounting agency, several white-shoe Northeastern law firms, an
insurance conglomerate, two large publishing concerns, a Madison
Avenue advertising agency, global management consultancies, and other
enterprises whose identities were not divulged to workers of the
résumé-typing rank.
The document specialists, all college graduates, earned roughly a
tenth of what they would have commanded for this work in the U.S., and
less, too, than they would have been paid in some call centers. But it
was the possibility that one could rise up from a lowly position that
had made Office Tiger one of the city's status employers, a firm whose
workers were so pleased by their affiliation that they put it on their
wedding invitations, just below their fathers' names. A foreign
notion—that jobs should be distributed on the basis of merit—was
amending the rules of a society where employment had for millennia
been allotted by caste, and great possibilities abounded. A clerk who
today did a bang-up job of formatting the work history of a part-time
handyman in Plano might be an adjunct investment banker by year's end.
Chennai, the capital of the state of Tamil Nadu, was at one time an
agglomeration of fishing hamlets near the Bay of Bengal—a mile-wide
spit of sand upon which seventeenth-century British traders imposed
the name Madras. As the imperialists built forts and seaside
promenades, the less refined aspects of colonialism sharpened the
Tamil-speaking locals' preference for their indigenous culture. This
now vast community—the fourth-largest city in India, after Delhi,
Mumbai, and Calcutta—was, until recently, a willfully
anti-cosmopolitan place. If the Calcuttan post-colonial ideal was
outward-looking, intellectual, and romantic, like the heroes of
Satyajit Ray films, Chennaians rated hard work over lofty thought,
science over poetizing, and humility over everything else. Though most
Chennai residents were Hindu, violence against the city's Muslim
minority was relatively rare. Discord between rich and poor was
similarly muted—perhaps because the city's élites tended to leave
ostentation to the peacocks, which (along with goats, water buffalo,
auto-rickshaws, roosters, and homeless families) beautified the
roadsides.
For centuries, the Western world knew this city, if at all, through a
group of unpresumptuous tradesmen: weavers who rendered the colorful,
comfortable madras plaid that has long outfitted the gentries .
jacky_da...@yahoo.com (Jacques DeMolested) wrote in message news:<ab1305ab.0410...@posting.google.com>...
Alun
@pd7tw2no:
>
> "Roedy Green" <loo...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:62osk0hln1aicp1js...@4ax.com...
>> "Outsourcing is just a new way of doing international trade. More
>> things are tradable than were tradable in the past. And that's a good
>> thing" ~ N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of Bush's Council of Economic
>> Advisors.
>>
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm"
>>
>> Explaining George's record for exporting American jobs to India was a
>> good thing. Bush signed his report.
>> --
>> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
>> Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
>> See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary
>
> I think it's obvious the Presidency has been outsourced.
>
>
Hence the strange bulge on his back, so they can tell him what to say!
Vaj Ina Valley
general_m...@hotmail.com (General MARK CLARK) wrote in message news:<b6a34bed.04102...@posting.google.com>...
> http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&DocID=1883
> NEW YORKER ARTICLE IN FULL
>
> The Best Job in Town
>
> HOW OFFICE TIGER
>
> OUTSOURCING NYC-INDIA-CHINA
>
> WILL FUCK THE DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED WORLD
>
> By Katherine Boo
> Senior Fellow
>
> The New Yorker
> July 5, 2004
>
> One Monday this spring, a forty-three-year-old salesclerk at the Home
> Depot in Plano, Texas, scribbled some updates onto an old résumé and
> took it to his local copy shop. To his education and work history?a
> bachelor's degree in industrial engineering and technology, service in
> the U.S. Marine Corps?he added a recent moonlighting job as a handyman
> and a new "career objective." Ten minutes later, in southern India, a
> middle-aged Hindu man in a cavernous workplace began to type the Home
> Depot clerk's words. A prevailing fiction in the Indian office was
> that the dozens of "document specialists" doing American work didn't
> actually register the content of the résumés, funeral programs, pro-se
> lawsuits, and erotic manifestos sent to them over broadband from store
> counters with "While-U-Wait" signs. Rather, the document specialists
> were to type, format, proofread, and zap things back while maintaining
> an exquisite blankness of mind. But American résumés, as much as
> American erotica, caused an inconvenient upwelling of emotion. "To
> secure a position at a company that would utilize my skills and
> provide an opportunity for advancement: row upon row of typing Indians
> recognized the Plano clerk's yearning as their own.
>
> The typists were new, entry-level employees at a prominent firm in the
> sprawling coastal city of Chennai?still "wet behind the ears," as
> Americans would say, or so they'd been informed during a company crash
> course on Western ways. Their narrow cubicles were lodged on the sixth
> floor of a pink stucco building whose lobby possessed, in addition to
> a purposeless set of turnstiles and a statue of the Hindu god Ganesh,
> solid evidence that even plastic rhododendrons will wilt in extreme
> heat. Most of the workers had been born in Chennai and would, in all
> likelihood, die there. Still, from their workstations they could
> imagine, not unreasonably, that they were seeing a bit of the world.
> Their employer, a company named Office Tiger, did the work not just of
> an American copy-shop chain but of seven of the twelve biggest banks
> on Wall Street?confidential labor carried out in unmarked rooms with
> film-covered windows, closed-circuit cameras, and electronic security
> so unforgiving that as the typist finished the résumé from Plano three
> bankers, accidentally locked in a nearby room, were frantically
> pounding on a door. Office Tiger also performed work for a Big Four
> accounting agency, several white-shoe Northeastern law firms, an
> insurance conglomerate, two large publishing concerns, a Madison
> Avenue advertising agency, global management consultancies, and other
> enterprises whose identities were not divulged to workers of the
> résumé-typing rank.
>
> The document specialists, all college graduates, earned roughly a
> tenth of what they would have commanded for this work in the U.S., and
> less, too, than they would have been paid in some call centers. But it
> was the possibility that one could rise up from a lowly position that
> had made Office Tiger one of the city's status employers, a firm whose
> workers were so pleased by their affiliation that they put it on their
> wedding invitations, just below their fathers' names. A foreign
> notion?that jobs should be distributed on the basis of merit?was
> amending the rules of a society where employment had for millennia
> been allotted by caste, and great possibilities abounded. A clerk who
> today did a bang-up job of formatting the work history of a part-time
> handyman in Plano might be an adjunct investment banker by year's end.
>
> Chennai, the capital of the state of Tamil Nadu, was at one time an
> agglomeration of fishing hamlets near the Bay of Bengal?a mile-wide
> spit of sand upon which seventeenth-century British traders imposed
> the name Madras. As the imperialists built forts and seaside
> promenades, the less refined aspects of colonialism sharpened the
> Tamil-speaking locals' preference for their indigenous culture. This
> now vast community?the fourth-largest city in India, after Delhi,
> Mumbai, and Calcutta?was, until recently, a willfully
> anti-cosmopolitan place. If the Calcuttan post-colonial ideal was
> outward-looking, intellectual, and romantic, like the heroes of
> Satyajit Ray films, Chennaians rated hard work over lofty thought,
> science over poetizing, and humility over everything else. Though most
> Chennai residents were Hindu, violence against the city's Muslim
> minority was relatively rare. Discord between rich and poor was
> similarly muted?perhaps because the city's élites tended to leave
Golan Cipel
Counsultants of New Jersey and is using Milbank Tweed as its cameo for
all law firms worldwide to outsource.
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Revolt of the Igigi
Manufacturers shed 5,000 jobs in October.
And there are some murky patches in the October job picture: both part
time work and work for temporary employment services jumped
---indicating that most businesses are not yet truly committed to
having a bigger work force. And more than a fifth of the unemployed
have been out of work for more than half a year, the highest
percentage since March.
Manufacturers shed 5,000 jobs in October. Employment growth is spread
thinly across the service sector, with the only significant gains in
the health and education sectors, with substitute teachers and
non-documented home health care workers, senior citizen home workers,
and imported low wage nurses. The number of hours worked at private
businesses remained unchanged, at 33.8 hours a week.
One-time factors and sneaky statistical seasonal effects 'improved'
the employment situation. The cleanup and reconstruction of the
hurricane-ravaged Southeast contributed to the 71,000 new jobs in
construction. The back-to school season increased teacher employment.
But even stripping out these one-time events, Mr. Gay estimated the
underlying job growth was around 120,000 nationwide, with a loss of
tens of thousands of jobs. "That is not a number to be pooh-poohed,"
he said.
http://www.angelfire.com/de/CassandraCrossing/PERMATEMPS.html
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Golan Cipel
other over the pros and cons of OUTSOURCING and OFFSHORE job
shipments.
Bush is 1000% behind outsourcing and has relations with some of the
CEOs of the most voracious and rapacious of the giant outsourcing
conglomerates.
HSBC is in bed with OFFICE TIGER. Watch out for Office Tiger or you
will be no more than a few bits of flesh on the tiger's lips.
"robet" <r...@cfl.rr.com wrote in message news:<GJCkd.26034$As5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
impeach bush now!!!!!
"ZARDOZ" <zardoz_u...@yahoo.com wrote in message
news:b195d5b8.04110...@posting.google.com...
Milbank Tweed lawfirm, London-NYC, is outsourcing all their
production
to India via Office Tigers, this week and next.
InfoSys and Vilpro, also in India, are a ga ga cause W won thru hook
and Karl Rove crook the 2004 sham of an election ... Bush has given
a
thousand thumbs up to aggressive and unremitting and unmitigated and
irrevocable OURSOURCING AND OFFSHORING of all jobs possible to India
and China.
Our fundamentalist zealots with IQs of 75 have shown us their one
true
god -- JOBLESSNESS around the corner.
vajina...@yahoo.com (Vaj Ina Valley) wrote in message
news:<49566ad4.04103...@posting.google.com...
Office Tiger and outsourcing sucks.
igigi_...@yahoo.co.uk (Revolt of the Igigi) wrote in message news:<d7a08cf0.04110...@posting.google.com>...
Condi Ho Lice
> This week ECONOMIST magazine and THE NATION are sparring with each
> other over the pros and cons of OUTSOURCING and OFFSHORE job
> shipments.
>
> Bush is 1000% behind outsourcing and has relations with some of the
> CEOs of the most voracious and rapacious of the giant outsourcing
> conglomerates.
>
> HSBC is in bed with OFFICE TIGER. Watch out for Office Tiger or you
> will be no more than a few bits of flesh on the tiger's lips.
>
>
> "robet" <r...@cfl.rr.com wrote in message news:<GJCkd.26034$As5....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> impeach bush now!!!!!
>
>
>
> "ZARDOZ" <zardoz_u...@yahoo.com wrote in message
> news:b195d5b8.04110...@posting.google.com...
> Milbank Tweed lawfirm, London-NYC, is outsourcing all their
> production to India via Office Tigers, this week and next.
>
> Acinetobacter baumannii, the hospital opportunist
Acinetobacter baumannii is an opportunistic pathogen
operating in hospitals creating serious infections
such as pneumonia. It principally affects patients who
have weakened health and this is why we call it
opportunistic. Moreover, the mortality rate from these
infections are usually high given, on the one hand,
the weakness of the patient and, on the other, A.
baumannii is resistant to many antibiotics.
Furthermore, once a specific course of treatment is
prescribed for A. Baumannii, the pathogen has a great
capacity for acquiring resistance to these
antibiotics.
To tackle this problem it is essential to observe, in
an ongoing manner, the new resistances the bacteria
develops, in order to know what kind of antibiotic has
to be used to treat patients. In order to carry out
these analyses, the gene for the new acquired
resistance has to be identified and isolated and also
the presence or otherwise of integrons has to be
determined.
Integrons
Integrons are chains of genes wherein many of the
resistances acquired by the A. baumannii bacteria are
found. The pathogen also has other options for their
acquisition but it is the integrons that provide the
most efficacious way to acquire and transmit the
resistances, given that, apart from acquiring
resistances, integrons have great mobility and can
transfer from one location of the A. baumannii
chromosome to another.
This mobility allows them to pass from one strain of
the bacteria to another. This means that all the
resistances acquired by a strain of A. baumannii can
be transmitted to another and the species can thus
modify and regenerate itself continuously. Moreover,
as it has a promotoros, the bacteria is always
activating or expressing all the resistances held in
the integron.
Attempting to improve control
Analysing and isolating a number of A. baumannii
strains from hospitals, it has been shown that most
have integrons. Thus, it is highly probable that A.
baumannii becomes resistant to the best antibiotics
that exist today and that this resistance is
transmitted via integrons. Moreover, A. baumannii
strains have been identified that are resistant to the
most common antibiotics used today.
If this is confirmed, the mortality rate due to
infections created by the bacteria may even be greater
than thought to date, given that there is no
antibiotic capable of tackling the infection. It
should be taken into account that the number of
hospital patients affected by infections caused by A.
baumannii is not great, but the gravity of the problem
lies in the rate of mortality of these cases.
There currently exist methods to genetically
distinguish A. baumannii strains from each other, but
the aim at the moment is to obtain a method of
indicating the presence of integrons and their
resistance in these strains. Of course, this method of
detection has to be standardised and, at the same
time, practical, for its clinical use.
That is to say, the option of the researchers has been
to try to improve control with respect to A. baumannii
given that there is currently no substitutes for the
antibiotics used to date. In order to achieve this
improved control, it is essential to detect the
infection in time and know if A. baumannii has
produced it. The resistances of the strains must also
be known and if they have integrons. Once this
detailed information is gathered, new systems for the
control of infections can be introduced in order keep
down the rate of mortality due to A. baumannii.
Contact :
Garazi Andonegi
ELHUYAR Fundazioa
gar...@elhuyar.com
(+34) 943363040
This lice transmitted blood borne disease is ALSO prevalent among
homeless alcoholics in Marseilles, France
---
Dear friends,
President Bush has announced his intention to
appoint Dr. W. David Hager to head up the Food and
Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs
Advisory Committee. This committee has not met for
more than two years, during which time its charter
lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is
tasked with filling all eleven positions with new
members. This position does not require Congressional
approval. The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs
Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions on matters
relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics,
gynecology and related specialties, including hormone
therapy, contraception, treatment for infertility, and
medical alternatives to surgical procedures for
sterilization and pregnancy termination.
Dr. Hager is the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women:
Restoring Women Then and Now." The book blends
biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case
studies from Hager's practice. His views of health
care are far outside the mainstream for reproductive
technology and modern gynecological practice. Dr.
Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as
"pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to
unmarried women. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his
wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he
suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual
syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and
praying. As an editor and contributing author of "The
Reproduction Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of
Sexuality Reproductive Technologies and the Family,"
Dr. Hager appears to have endorsed the medically
inaccurate assertion that the common birth control
pill is an abortifacient (causes abortion).
We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious
beliefs may color his assessment of technologies
that are necessary to protect women's lives or to
preserve and promote women's health. Dr. Hager's
track record of using religious beliefs to guide his
medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and
inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this
committee. Critical drug public policy and research
must not be held hostage by anti-abortion politics.
Members of this important panel should be appointed
on the basis of science and medicine, rather than
politics and religion. American women deserve no
less. There is something you can do. Below is a
letter to be sent to the White House, opposing the
placement of Hager. Please copy all the text of this
message and paste it into a fresh email; then sign
your name below and SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON YOU
KNOW WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS.
Please add your name to the list below and every
100th person please forward this e-mail to:
pres...@whitehouse.gov
(mailto:pres...@whitehouse.gov )
I oppose the appointment of Dr. W. David Hager to
the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory
Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is
unacceptable in a policy-making position. Using the
FDA to promote a political agenda is inappropriate
and seriously threatens women's health. Members of
this important panel should be appointed on the
basis of science and medicine, rather than politics
and religion. American women deserve no less.
Chelsea Rumsfeld
-----------
ORIGINS OF DEVELOPMENT OF HAARP
http://ikeya_zhang.tripod.com/B50ADRIAN.html
KAL 007 -- Korean Air Lines Passenger Flight #007 ? pilot[s] trained by
David Adrian, trainer from the USA, Sept. 1983
What the Russian MIG pilot had to say:
> "Long after the "Boeing" incident, I was delivering a fighter from
>
> the factory, when the engine stopped. There were ammunition warehouses
>
> below. However, I was able to aim the plane off to the side. However,
> I
>
> had to parachute out at a low altitude. I injured my spine. It was
>
> almost a year before I recovered. I was physically unable to fly after
>
> this. But if I couldn't fly, then what was there for me to do? I
> wasn't
>
> cut out to be put in charge of some warehouse. Therefore, I retired
>
> into the reserves as soon as I was eligible. People not associated
> with
>
> the air force do not understand my decision. They laugh and call me
>
> foolish..."
>
>
> "You mentioned people playing it safe and about the "libretto" for
>
> your television interview. What did you mean by that?"
>
>
> "I was surprised that some of the important leaders were so wishy
>
> washy. Because for the most part, I have no doubts, even now, that we
>
> were right in what we did. For a period of two and a half hours, an
>
> unidentified aircraft was violating our air space. During this time,
> it
>
> flew over 2,000 kilometers. All the air traffic controllers from
>
> foreign governments were silent, busy chewing gum. What do you order
>
> done in such a situation? Sit with folded hand? We shot it down
>
> legally. But later they began to lie about little things. They said,
>
> you know, that the aircraft was flying without lights, that tracer
>
> shells were fired as a warning, that I was in radio communications
> with
>
igigi_...@yahoo.co.uk (Revolt of the Igigi) wrote in message news:<d7a08cf0.04112...@posting.google.com>...
> ORIGINS OF DEVELOPMENT OF HAARP
>
> http://ikeya_zhang.tripod.com/B50ADRIAN.html
>
>
> "GAMBIT was started after Gary Powers got shot down in May 1960. It
> was intended to replace the U-2 [high-altitude aircraft] by providing
> high-resolution reconnaissance of the Soviet Union," Day said.
>
> Together, the KH-7 and KH-9 acquired some 50,000 images.
>
>
> Mars Probe[s] sabotaged?
>
> http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/mars_polar_lander_031222.html
>
> At NASA's request, a team from the National Imagery and Mapping Agency
> (NIMA) -- recently renamed as the National Geospatial-Intelligence
> Agency -- carried out a detailed search of the primary MPL landing
> area utilizing MOC images and an array of high-tech analytical
> equipment.
>
> Why NIMA? The agency is both a combat support as well as national
> intelligence agency whose mission is to provide timely, relevant and
> accurate geospatial intelligence, or GEOINT, in support of our
> national security. The agency is an acclaimed leader in describing,
> assessing, and visually depicting physical features on Earth. In
> short, it makes use of such hush-hush tools as spy satellites.
>
> The NIMA Mars sleuthing work was led by Ivar Svendsen, who had 27
> years of experience in imagery analysis, but who has since passed
> away.
>
> Svendsen was joined in the search for Mars Polar Lander by the imagery
> expertise of James Salacain who had at the time chalked up some 15
> years of specialized duty in support of the national imagery
> community.
>
> In a December 2002 article in Geospatial Intelligence Review, the two
> NIMA analysts, Svendsen and Salacain, remain steadfast about their
> observations.
>
> The signatures at the three sites studied "appeared to be reflected
> light or glints" from some portion of the Mars Polar Lander Entry,
> Descent and Landing system and/or the lander itself, they asserted.
>
> The NIMA team does note that spurious camera noise cannot be ruled
> out. However, "the coincidental appearance of spurious noise within
> the MPL primary landing site that also happened to emulate MPL-like
> imagery signatures was considered unlikely."
>
> In a postscript to their work, the NIMA researchers underscored the
> fact that NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), set for takeoff in
> 2005, is built to take very-high-resolution snapshots of the planet's
> surface. Those MRO images "may help finally resolve the mystery of
> what actually happened to the MPL," they explained.
>
> "If not, the MPL mystery may have to patiently away a final and
> definitive investigation by a future visiting astronaut on-site
> inspection team from Earth," the NIMA experts concluded.
>
> KAL 007 ? Korean Air Lines Passenger Flight #007 ? pilot[s] trained by
> David Adrian, trainer from the USA, Sept. 1983
>
>
> What the Russian MIG pilot had to say:
>
>
> "Long after the "Boeing" incident, I was delivering a fighter from
>
> the factory, when the engine stopped. There were ammunition warehouses
>
> below. However, I was able to aim the plane off to the side. However,
> I
>
> had to parachute out at a low altitude. I injured my spine. It was
>
> almost a year before I recovered. I was physically unable to fly after
>
> this. But if I couldn't fly, then what was there for me to do? I
> wasn't
>
> cut out to be put in charge of some warehouse. Therefore, I retired
>
> into the reserves as soon as I was eligible. People not associated
> with
>
> the air force do not understand my decision. They laugh and call me
>
> foolish..."
>
>
> "You mentioned people playing it safe and about the "libretto" for
>
> your television interview. What did you mean by that?"
>
>
> "I was surprised that some of the important leaders were so wishy
>
> washy. Because for the most part, I have no doubts, even now, that we
>
> were right in what we did. For a period of two and a half hours, an
>
> unidentified aircraft was violating our air space. During this time,
> it
>
> flew over 2,000 kilometers. All the air traffic controllers from
>
> foreign governments were silent, busy chewing gum. What do you order
>
> done in such a situation? Sit with folded hand? We shot it down
>
> legally. But later they began to lie about little things. They said,
>
> you know, that the aircraft was flying without lights, that tracer
>
> shells were fired as a warning, that I was in radio communications
> with
>
> him, or tried to do this on emergency frequency 121.5 Mhz. Why, there
>
> wasn't any time for this! That would mean that I would be out of
>
> contact with the ground. I am sure that we tried too hard to appear
>
> completely innocent and as a result, we over did it..."
>
>
> "As for me, I did my duty to the end. If I were ever in the same
>
> situation, (I am talking about an intruder of course, not a civilian
>
> aircraft with passengers on board) I would do everything I could to
>
> intercept the aircraft. That is what I trained and studied for all my
>
> life. And that, be assured, is not boasting."
>
>
> "Were you decorated for this action?"
>
>
> "No. One of my comrades received a promotion, another received a
>
> medal. But I - nothing. But that is not the point."
>
>
> "What do you do today?"
>
>
> "What is there for a pensioner to do? I bought a plot of land.
>
> Built a home. I raise strawberries. I am expecting a grandson. My
>
> daughter promised by summer... I dream of giving him my uniform. That
>
> is all I have left from the air force. I am still waiting for the
> truth
>
> to come out about the "Boeing", how it could have happened, how it
> came
>
> to be over our territory, what was its purpose? And more. Was the
>
> "black box" ever found?! And if yes, what does it show? This is not
>
> idle curiosity; it's vital so such mistakes are not repeated. By the
>
> way, I heard that back on Sakhalin, they found the "Boeing." That they
>
> even examined it. But they did not find any people on it. However, I
>
> explain this, by the fact that there are crabs in the sea off
> Sakhalin,
>
> that immediately devour everything... I heard that they only found a
>
> hand in a black glove. Maybe that was the hand that piloted the
>
> aircraft I shot down? You know, I am not sure even now that there were
>
> passengers on board. You can't write everyone off to crabs...
>
>
> There must have been something left?... I still subscribe to the old
> version,
>
> that this was a spy plane. In any case, he didn't overfly our
> territory
>
> by accident."
Foreskin Fungus
Code enforcement officers in Farmingdale patrol for drivers who stop
illegally to pick up day laborers.Librado Romero/The New York Times
L.I. Clash on Immigrants Is Gaining Political Force
By PATRICK HEALY
Published: November 29, 2004
Everywhere Steve Levy went last year in his successful campaign for
Suffolk County executive, he said, he heard the same complaints. A new
wave of Hispanic immigrants had swept Long Island, and many residents
were furious about the overcrowded homes and lines of day laborers
they saw in their towns. They told Mr. Levy they wanted action.
This month, Mr. Levy floated a proposal to deputize some Suffolk
County police officers, giving them the power to detain people found
to be in the United States illegally after being taken into custody on
other charges. Right now, Suffolk police and corrections officers say,
they are prohibited from asking immigrants whether they are in the
country legally. Mr. Levy's proposal, which he later amended, was met
by objections from the police unions.
Mr. Levy said his intent was to fight crime by focusing the effort on
criminals like gang members, not ordinary immigrants. But advocacy
groups and residents of Suffolk and Nassau Counties say the proposal
is a sign of the times. They say the issue of illegal immigration is
rapidly gathering political force in Long Island's patchwork of
historically white suburban hamlets, and as the complaints grow,
politicians are responding with get-tough rhetoric, crackdowns and new
laws.
"Public opinion has changed," said Sue Grant, one of several
Farmingville residents who rise each morning to stand on street
corners and demonstrate against the day laborers in their community.
"More and more people are coming forward and saying, 'I'm sick of
this.' They don't want this anymore." It is the latest knot in Long
Island's wrenching struggle to digest the thousands of Hispanic
immigrants - many of them day laborers - who have arrived in the past
decade and at a record pace in the last three years, drawn by jobs in
construction and landscaping and other blue-collar work.
One result is a commensurate strain on public services like schools,
garbage collection and sewer systems in an area where residents pay
some of the highest taxes in the country. Communities across the
nation - from Mesa, Ariz., to Hoover, Ala., to Freehold, N.J. - have
faced similar struggles.
Illegal immigrant day laborers have been shut out and demonstrated
against, and have become the targets of political campaigns. There has
been tension in many villages and cities and violence in isolated
spots. But observers and local politicians said that rarely has the
fight seemed so bitter or raged so long as on Long Island, where
violence has erupted in recent years and Mr. Levy's proposal is just
one of many with support from politicians and residents. "People came
here in the 50's and 60's and early 70's thinking they were getting
away from the problems of the city," said Stefan Krieger, who runs
Hofstra University's Housing Rights Clinic.
"In the city, with diversity, you celebrate it. Out here, not at all.
You see different-color people on the street and for some reason,
there's some dissonance." Farmingdale has stepped up traffic
enforcement to discourage contractors from picking up illegal day
laborers who are stealing coveted jobs from our millions of unemployed
citizens, and several village officials say they are planning to
demolish apartments that they say are chock full of squatting
immigrants. They argue that the buildings are rife with code
violations and not worth preserving.
The Town of Brookhaven has set up an informal task force to
investigate code violations and complaints about homes crowded with
law breaking day laborers. A town councilwoman, Geraldine Esposito,
said she was searching for ways to tighten the town's Neighborhood
Preservation Act, further limiting the number of people in a home.
"We're trying to solve a problem that's almost unsolvable for the
town," she said. "Where are these men and illegal female domestic
houseworkers and cashiers going to go?
They should go back home to where their home is. There is no pot of
gold here unless they can do it legally." Campaigns for village and
town offices have ramped up their rhetoric, promising to do everything
possible to get day laborers off the streets.
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HAARP ADDS TO ELECTION NIGHT MYSTERIES
Tuesday, November 2, 2004, was Election Day in the
USA, a contest which resulted in President George W.
Bush winning a second term.
However, the previous day, Monday, November 1, 2004,
the top-secret HAARP array in Alaska undertook a
mysterious prolonged broadcast.
Researcher Steve Wingate reported, "The HAARP
transmissions started at about 2.25 Megaherz (MHz) and
going up to at least 3.6 MHz and were being monitored
in the (San Francisco) Bay area and also in Michigan."
"The (HAARP) signal consisted of double-sideband
suppressed carrier signals and appeared to be creating
extremely bad propagation in the 75-meter band. I was
talking to a guy on 3.840 MHz, and we all agreed that
conditions were unusually bad."
The ham radio monitors claimed that HAARP
transmissions were "pretty much continuous. This was
the night before the election."
"Mind control or just another coincidence?" (Many
thanks to Steve Wingate for this news story.)
(Editor's Note: This is the first of three stories
dealing with strange happenings on Election Day. For
further information about HAARP, check out this Web
site... http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/mm/wf.html.
And it gets
weirder--stay tuned!)
ps: did you see the History cable channel on the role of Dr. Theodore
Morell on the wacky mind of secret Tibetan and Vril Society member
Adolph Hitler, the yellow shower and steaming brown alimentary stacks
sex freak?
Bulgarian microbes that infest the feces of certain Bulgarian species
were isolated and injected along with crystal meth into the veins of
scream-along-with-the-alien controllers, Adolph von Hitler [nee
Schickel-Gruber], under the Rasputin designs of Dr. Morell.
Foreskin Fungus
chels...@hotmail.com (Chelsea Rumsfeld) wrote in message news:<c0639235.04112...@posting.google.com>...
> > KAL 007 -- Korean Air Lines Passenger Flight #007 -- pilot[s] trained by
Jacques DeMolested
Mason and working for both CIA and AF Intel.
At the time of his training mission of the KAL fleet of Boeing pilots
for KAL, somebody else needs to input what they know, and how this
ties in to HAARP today.
July 1960, the date of the newspaper article scanned onto the website,
was a volatile and uncertain time, when the Russians had a beginning
edge on us in satellite technology, and give and take a year on both
sides of this date, the Gary Powers fiasco,and the Cuban Missle
Crisis.
ORIGINS OF DEVELOPMENT OF HAARP
http://ikeya_zhang.tripod.com/B50ADRIAN.html
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