IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
ArKLyte_
LKBOOP
day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chainsaw
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> I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen. We must have killed about 30. And did you notice the accuracy?
Bingo, right on target, in the middle of the street.
xtmprs...@erols.com
Did you see the guy at the bottom who flies through the air
from the blast?
phantom
How do you deal with 72 virgins after something like that...I guess
each one gets a chunk :)
thick
PBS
do they even know who they killed?
they were referred to as "individuals walking"
The reason for those people walking in the street could have been anything!
even the guy in the aircraft says afterwards "oh dude"
as if to say- what the fuck have we just done
I can't believe my eyes
like they didn't even seem to have weapons
certainly no talk of firing
I gotta say, I am fuckin flabbergasted!
please tell me this is a forgery
shogun
That was disgusting. That was the sickest thing I ever saw in my life. Why
didn't that pilot use a BIGGER bomb??????? Oh well....maybe next time. I want
the most bang for my dollar.
PBS
"shogun" <sho...@tanto.net> wrote in message
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a bigger bomb?
so the houses all around will be targets too
sleeping babies inside don't forget
and US supporters that feed information, u know spies on the ground
you didn't really consider that comment did you?
even if they were non-Iraqi troublemakers "outsiders"
even then
wonder how much "friendly fire" deaths happened in that
reporters
spies
people in homes
Scott in Florida
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>"LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Amen. We must have killed about 30. And did you notice the accuracy?
>Bingo, right on target, in the middle of the street.
Hooooo Ray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>>
>> ArKLyte_ wrote:
>> > IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>> >
>> > http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>> >
>> > 650K (Short download)
>> >
>>
>
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--Scott in Florida
shogun
chainsaw
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> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
> >>
> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
> >>
> >> 650K (Short download)
> >>
> >
>
> do they even know who they killed?
Why do you assume they didn't?
> they were referred to as "individuals walking"
> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
anything!
And you have no idea where this occured. For all you know, it could have
been a Taliban training area.
>
>
> even the guy in the aircraft says afterwards "oh dude"
> as if to say- what the fuck have we just done
He said it with a chuckle. He was amazed at how precise the hit was.
chainsaw
If he had used a bigger bomb, you'd have criticized him for using a
sledgehammer to pop a pimple. There's no pleasing you libs.
PBS
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>> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
>> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>> >>
>> >> 650K (Short download)
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> do they even know who they killed?
>
> Why do you assume they didn't?
>
>> they were referred to as "individuals walking"
>> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
> anything!
>
> And you have no idea where this occured. For all you know, it could have
> been a Taliban training area.
were we watching the same thing?
that was suburbia !
the training areas are in deserts or isolated places
maybe because they use explosives
I dunno
but come on!
that was a street they were walking in
with homes all over the place
I'm sure the background sounds are fake
coz there was no military lingo
and the other similar type clips I have seen
the was a lot more description
the shooter always confirms the shoot
more than once in a lot of cases
get real
if this clip is real and hits the media
there will be an outcry
PBS
I'm not crying
just very suprised
it's something I'd expect terrosts to say before flicking a switch
possible dialogue would be-
osama-any people around?
jihad guy- yep
osama- fire away then
jihad guy - oh dude
PBS
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>> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
>> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>> >>
>> >> 650K (Short download)
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> do they even know who they killed?
>
> Why do you assume they didn't?
>
>> they were referred to as "individuals walking"
>> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
> anything!
>
> been a Taliban training area.
another thing
guilty people, or in this case combatants scatter and take cover when they
see an enemy plane overhead
these guys just kept walking
like they had nothing to hide
or
and a big or - they were all suicidal
shogun
Well excuse me. Perhaps we should just drop ping-pong balls on the bastards.
shogun
wrecking ball is for. And you don't drop a 500 pound bomb? If your going to
fly over there and drop a bomb, use a 2000 pounder. The pilot gets the same
pay for dropping a 500 or 2000......might as well "supersize" the order.
chainsaw
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> >> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> >> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
> >> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
> >> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
> >> >>
> >> >> 650K (Short download)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> do they even know who they killed?
> >
> > Why do you assume they didn't?
> >
> >> they were referred to as "individuals walking"
> >> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
> > anything!
> >
> > And you have no idea where this occured. For all you know, it could
have
> > been a Taliban training area.
>
> were we watching the same thing?
> that was suburbia !
1) You have no idea where that video was taken
2) You have no idea when that video was shot. It could be 10 years old, it
could be 4 days old.
>
> the training areas are in deserts or isolated places
> maybe because they use explosives
> I dunno
Exactly. You "dunno" You don't have an iota of a clue.
chainsaw
You don't have a clue. That plane could have been four miles up. It was
more than likely night time. Did the group have a loud radio playing? Was
there a strong wind blowing? Could the targets have been drunk? There
could be any number of reasons why nobody was trying to hide or run. They
may not have heard the plane.
Tony Cox
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> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:13:42 GMT, "chainsaw" <banan...@rockyhigh.com>
wrote:
>
>
> >> were we watching the same thing?
> >> that was suburbia !
> >
> >1) You have no idea where that video was taken
> >
> >2) You have no idea when that video was shot. It could be 10 years old,
it
> >could be 4 days old.
>
> (notice also the word "TEST" on the display)
That's what I think. Also, the perspective changes
in the last 5 seconds before the bomb hits. Its a
computer simulation.
ArKLyte_
>On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 23:13:42 GMT, "chainsaw" <banan...@rockyhigh.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> were we watching the same thing?
>>> that was suburbia !
>>
>>1) You have no idea where that video was taken
>>
>>2) You have no idea when that video was shot. It could be 10 years old, it
>>could be 4 days old.
>
>Seems like a training session in a simulator to me.
>(notice also the word "TEST" on the display)
It was from a CAS (Close Air Support) mission in Fallujah ..
ArKLyte_
Nope. The sight is trained on the targets and as the plane passes
over, it remains trained on the target. It's not a simulator.
Tony Cox
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The view is from (lets say) the south, but it rapidly changes
to the north east. What spy camera could provide this
perspective?
ArKLyte_
Sir, it's not a 'spy camera'. It is a precision targeting device .
phantom
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>"LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> ArKLyte_ wrote:
>>> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>>>
>>> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>>>
>>> 650K (Short download)
>>>
>>
>
>do they even know who they killed?
>they were referred to as "individuals walking"
>The reason for those people walking in the street could have been anything!
No doubt to protest the recent decision to imprison Martha Stewart.
>
>even the guy in the aircraft says afterwards "oh dude"
>as if to say- what the fuck have we just done
>
as if to say ....."did you see how far that rat bastard muslim piece
of shit flew into the air...."
>I can't believe my eyes
watch it a few more times. the best part is right after the explosion
- you can make out a couple of torsos and limbs fly through the air if
you watch closely.
>
>like they didn't even seem to have weapons
oh my. that's terrible then. should we send flowers?
>certainly no talk of firing
Yes, they were no doubt just out for an after dinner stroll.
>I gotta say, I am fuckin flabbergasted!
As flaberghasted as you were when you saw the images of the bodies
that hit the ground on the sidewalks in NYC on 9/11 that looked like
150 lbs of exploded hamburger?
>
>please tell me this is a forgery
>
It's a forgery. Feel better now? Good boy. Back into your pajamas
with the feetys and off to sleep you go.
Bill
group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
terrorists, it was a job well done.
Come to think of it, even if no lives we saved, still a job well done.
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Julian D.
>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
>terrorists, it was a job well done.
Indeed. I just love videos like that.
JD
The closer we get to the election, the more sedition, treason,
and death threats against the president we'll see from
the Left. Especially as they realize Bush will more than likely
win.
-Me
"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have
helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track,
we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM YOU ON BEHALF OF THE COMMON GOOD."
-Senator Hillary Clinton, Soviet Admirer
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Similar:
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
-Karl Marx
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and chemical material unaccounted for . . . it is incontestable that
on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks . . . "
-Bill Clinton
Larry King Live
July 22, 2003
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002
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>>
>>"LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:40F96CEB...@pacbell.net...
>>> I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>>> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> ArKLyte_ wrote:
>>>> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>>>>
>>>> 650K (Short download)
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>do they even know who they killed?
>>they were referred to as "individuals walking"
>>The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
>>anything!
>
> No doubt to protest the recent decision to imprison Martha Stewart.
>
>>
>>even the guy in the aircraft says afterwards "oh dude"
>>as if to say- what the fuck have we just done
>>
>
> of shit flew into the air...."
>
>
>>I can't believe my eyes
>
> watch it a few more times. the best part is right after the explosion
> - you can make out a couple of torsos and limbs fly through the air if
> you watch closely.
>
>>
>>like they didn't even seem to have weapons
>
> oh my. that's terrible then. should we send flowers?
>
>>certainly no talk of firing
>
> Yes, they were no doubt just out for an after dinner stroll.
>
>>I gotta say, I am fuckin flabbergasted!
>
> As flaberghasted as you were when you saw the images of the bodies
> that hit the ground on the sidewalks in NYC on 9/11
now that you mention it , It was the worst case of empathy I had experienced
watching the people falling, and imagining the fear and the horror that
would put a person in a position
where jumping out of a skyscraper was the best choice
actually they suffered more because they had some warning before their death
these guys had none
so it was a quick painless execution
but I gotta say
the feeling I have for 911 victims are no longer at the forefront of my mind
as far as victims go
the more clips I see like that
have a kind of equaliser effect
or at least shove those memories back a notch at a time
your comments kind of insults their memories, don't you think?
just one thing
how does killing Iraqi's avenge 911 victims again?
I forgot
so much spin about
please
set me straight
PBS
"Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote in message
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>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
> terrorists, it was a job well done.
>
is that what you saw?
terrorists
you must have amazing eyesight
even the guys in control of the aircraft
described them as individuals
not enemy combatant
not the enemy
not insurgents
or whatever term they use
but "individuals walking"
please
how can we discuss a filmclip
when it does not appear we watched the same one
was the link changed or altered since it was posted?
PBS
"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, "Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
>>terrorists, it was a job well done.
>
> Indeed. I just love videos like that.
these are not movies with props
its not a video
its a visually documented/recorded event
happening now in Iraq
I have to wonder , don't people have the right to protect their
land from perceived invaders
I mean Iraq has their Govt eradicated overnight
that had a domino effect
with the rest of the civil service following suit,
cops and army included.
what did the US expect to happen?
oh of course , the people would be so grateful that they would welcome in
with flowers and praise
hearts and minds yes
hearts of hatred and minds filled with planning revenge
if the US was not so far away
this "war" would not end for centuries
Islam has a long memory
Know your enemy , are , words of wisdom
seems like somebody rushed this
wonder who the brains of this operation was?
what idiot?
oh that's right bush/rumsfield
e_l_f
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(touché)
e_l_f
You think way too much.
Le Darwin
> I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
Why do you say these people on the street are terrorists?
--
-darwin-
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"e_l_f" <ali...@zero.com> wrote in message
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prefer that to numbness
or mindless sheep saying nothing
what happened to battlefields?
this gutless form of attack is so cowardly
same goes for terrorist type attacks
fuckin act like men
if you want blood
meet on a battlefield
otherwise
who will take it to the next level?
who will discharge a nuclear weapon
its gotta be inevitable
fuckin savages IMHO
regardless of technology you use
both sides
the fuckin bright scientific minds that develop this shit should be
lobotomised
PBS
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> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>> I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bingo, right on target, in the middle of the street.
>
>
>>
>> ArKLyte_ wrote:
>> > IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>> >
>> > http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>> >
>> > 650K (Short download)
>> >
>>
>
You guys have your fun for now
but, what if one day martial law is declared in the US.
This technology is going to be used on you and your buddies.
and as horrible as it sounds
That would be poetic justice
the last thing you hear in the 10 seconds before the missile hits
is the echo - "I told you so......."
also
there is little human emotion involved
if you can't look your enemy in the eyes
and the same goes for the pathetic suicide bombers - fucken cowards every
single one of them
it's so much easier to hit the button if all you see is a monitor
Jan
>
> >I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
> >group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
> >terrorists, it was a job well done.
>
> Indeed. I just love videos like that.
>
xtmprs...@erols.com
It happens because the camera on the aircraft passes over the target
point.
The aircraft makes a turn to keep the target in view, which
rotates the camera relative to the target.
xtmprs...@erols.com
Islam is already there.
xtmprs...@erols.com
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> "Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, "Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
> >>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
> >>terrorists, it was a job well done.
> >
> > Indeed. I just love videos like that.
>
> these are not movies with props
> its not a video
> its a visually documented/recorded event
> happening now in Iraq
>
> I have to wonder , don't people have the right to protect their
> land from perceived invaders
>
Islam considers all land to be theirs.
Any place where infidels live are perceived as invaders.
e_l_f
This is the 21st century and this is world war. It would be insane not to
use every tool at your disposal to defeat the terrorist enemy.
PBS
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that kind of thinking (WMD) got you into the Iraqi mess
in the first place
have you learnt nothing?
nuclear technology used to for purposes of energy (Iran,Israel)
is not the same as a nuclear bomb
believe me when I say , that if the so called terrorists
(or anyone that opposes US policy it seems)
had such a weapon , we would not be discussing
the question of whether they have the weapon in the first place
what the fuck are they waiting for?
more humiliation
more abuse
more killings
more blasphemy
either these guys have the patience of mahatma Ghandi
or they don't have the ultimate weapon
ArKLyte_
>
>even the guys in control of the aircraft
>described them as individuals
>not enemy combatant
>not the enemy
>not insurgents
>or whatever term they use
>
>but "individuals walking"
It was in Fallujah. It was/is under a strict curfew.
My guess is that these 'individuals' didn't obey the curfew.
ie:They died...
It's a WAR.
Us vs. them.
Why don't you just relax and let the military save your
sorry ungrateful ass? Or, since you are in Australia,
maybe you could just go to Bali and see what happens
when a nation's vigilance becomes weak.
Wake up.
===========================================================
PBS
"ArKLyte_" <ArkL...@Now.Net> wrote in message
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:10:17 GMT, "PBS" <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>even the guys in control of the aircraft
>>described them as individuals
>>not enemy combatant
>>not the enemy
>>not insurgents
>>or whatever term they use
>>
>>but "individuals walking"
>
> It was in Fallujah. It was/is under a strict curfew.
> My guess is that these 'individuals' didn't obey the curfew.
wow , a reasonable explanation
thank you
if that is the reason
and everyone was warned
then fine
reluctantly I will accept it
and say , too bad
still
would have been nice if you mentioned that with the original post
unless your were hoping for a reaction of sorts
chainsaw
Oh.... NOW you're upset over high altitude fighting. But if you'll think
back a few years, that's exactly how Clinton fought in Kosovo. No boots on
the ground, no sir. Just planes dropping bombs from 30,000 feet. All the
liberals were so pleased. We had zero casualities. Clinton was a genious.
Now that we have a Republican President, behold a Clinton supporter who is
upset over planes dropping bombs from high altitude.
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E
phantom
wrote:
Look. This is war. A war we didn't start.
When one is engaged in war (at least one against the US) it should be
the most horrific thing imaginable.
Why?
So it ends as quickly as possible and to also encourage others who may
wage a similar one against the US that it's not a really great idea.
I have no sympathy for this enemy and I damn sure have no sympathy for
the Muslim people.
Compassion is best saved for enemy forces and populations that come to
their senses and surrender.
>
>just one thing
>how does killing Iraqi's avenge 911 victims again?
It doesn't. What so many people fail to realize is that this a war
Islam has declared against the West. The evidence of this was best
expressed by the millions of people who danced in the streets post
9/11 celebrating our dead in the middle east. There are countless
stories of support by Muslim charities, governments, businesses and
Muslim individuals who have directly supported those who seek to
destroy us.
What's happening in Iraq is the beginning of this war. A war that -
mark my words - will become a World War before it's over. We are in
the opening volleys.
And sadly - civilians die in war. That's the way it is.
And to put it bluntly - better theirs then ours.
phantom
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>"Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
>news:a94kf0l74vmknimv4...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, "Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>>>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
>>>terrorists, it was a job well done.
>>
>> Indeed. I just love videos like that.
>
>these are not movies with props
>its not a video
>its a visually documented/recorded event
>happening now in Iraq
>
>I have to wonder , don't people have the right to protect their
>land from perceived invaders
>
>I mean Iraq has their Govt eradicated overnight
>that had a domino effect
>with the rest of the civil service following suit,
>cops and army included.
>
>what did the US expect to happen?
You are under the mistaken belief that what is being portrayed in the
media and the words spoken by our government is indicative of their
real intent.
It's my guess - and I could be totally wrong - that this war into Iraq
was a strategic move.
Anyone who plays chess can see what is going on here.
We now have forces centered in the middle east - and on both sides of
Iran. In chess - the goal is to position ones pieces prior to
launching the attack. Interestingly, this is also a lesson the
Islamicists have learned well, too. Unfortunately for them, they
seriously underestimated our resolve and willingness to turn them into
charcoal stumps if and when the time comes.
Any further attacks by militant Islam and we have forces in place to
take control of and secure what IS important in the middle east - the
oil.
And if osama decides to nuke a few US cities?
Islam will be turned into a cinder inside of 2 hours. Barring of
course the oil fields in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
If one looks at the bigger picture this all makes perfect sense - and
is a brilliant strategic move by the Bush administration.
phantom
<darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, Bill <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
>
>Why do you say these people on the street are terrorists?
Hey dummy. Let me ask you a question. Give it serious consideration
before you answer.
Do you honestly believe - the US would dump a 500 lb bomb - launch an
F16 - plan and execute an attack that no doubt cost upwards of perhaps
hundreds of thousands of dollar - perhaps millions (when one takes
into account the cost of the weapons involved, the needed support,
etc.) - purposely - against a group of civilians out for an after
dinner stroll?
Seriously. Do you really believe that?
If you were a commander - would you launch attacks against groups of
civilians or do you think it might be more plausible that the goal or
military objective in war MIGHT be to kill those who are trying to
kill you?
I know this is really reaching and it's a tough question, but try and
put away your hatred of everything American and just keep it in
perspective of strictly the context of winning a war.
phantom
wrote:
Let me ask you a question.
Would the better answer be to let others develop these types of
weapons and the US not do so?
Do you think that would put us in a better position defensively?
Would maintaining this position of moral superiority defend your
children against this enemy who stated goal is to destroy you - your
family - and slit the throats of infidels?
chainsaw
>
> "Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
> news:a94kf0l74vmknimv4...@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, "Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
> >>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
> >>terrorists, it was a job well done.
> >
> > Indeed. I just love videos like that.
>
> these are not movies with props
> its not a video
> its a visually documented/recorded event
> happening now in Iraq
>
> I have to wonder , don't people have the right to protect their
> land from perceived invaders
What makes you think these were Iraqis? Is it possible these were Jehadist
fighters from Iran or Pakistan?
>
> I mean Iraq has their Govt eradicated overnight
> that had a domino effect
> with the rest of the civil service following suit,
> cops and army included.
>
> what did the US expect to happen?
>
> oh of course , the people would be so grateful that they would welcome in
> with flowers and praise
I wonder... did the citizens of Germany even PRETEND to be happy to see us
after WW2?
>
> hearts and minds yes
> hearts of hatred and minds filled with planning revenge
>
>
> if the US was not so far away
> this "war" would not end for centuries
> Islam has a long memory
And here I thought we were fighting Hussein dead-enders.
> Know your enemy , are , words of wisdom
> seems like somebody rushed this
> wonder who the brains of this operation was?
> what idiot?
An idiot with brains?
PBS
Phantom I have read this and your other replies in this thread
and thank you for taking the time to articulate.
I fully understood the points you made
and could hardly fault them.
In fact , you can say that I have been better off in reading your views
This NG gets sidetracked with a lot of lies dressed up as news reports
with insults flung about to further distract
it makes it hard to focus on anything.
I wish I could accept war as calmly as you do , I guess it helps
when you can put things into perspective and read between
the lines like you seem to be able to do.
That's the problem I have, I find it so difficult to justify
the killing, it would help if we were kept more informed
about what is happening, all the secrecy and lies, expecting us
to have blind faith.
phantom
Perfectly stated.
And one can see that the core and foundation of this hypocrisy is an
outright rabid hatred of the Republican party.
What has this resulted in?
And enemy who uses this hatred to it's advantage and to further divide
us.
And the most repugnant thing about it all is the stupid liberal
democrat is so engulfed in this hated they can't see what the enemy is
doing.
The Islamicists laugh every time a democrat opens his mouth.
PBS
>
> "PBS" <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:sOoKc.5546$K53....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Julian D." <ju...@ersatz.com> wrote in message
>> news:a94kf0l74vmknimv4...@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, "Bill" <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>> >>group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing
>> >>those
>> >>terrorists, it was a job well done.
>> >
>> > Indeed. I just love videos like that.
>>
>> these are not movies with props
>> its not a video
>> its a visually documented/recorded event
>> happening now in Iraq
>>
>> I have to wonder , don't people have the right to protect their
>> land from perceived invaders
>
> What makes you think these were Iraqis? Is it possible these were
> Jehadist
> fighters from Iran or Pakistan?
That is a possibility , if there wasn't such a cloud of secrecy maybe
we both could be certain.
>> I mean Iraq has their Govt eradicated overnight
>> that had a domino effect
>> with the rest of the civil service following suit,
>> cops and army included.
>>
>> what did the US expect to happen?
>>
>> oh of course , the people would be so grateful that they would welcome in
>> with flowers and praise
>
> I wonder... did the citizens of Germany even PRETEND to be happy to see
> us
> after WW2?
from the limited education I have , I would have to say no, not in their
hearts.
No country likes to be overpowered , lose control of its govt etc
I guess the citizens who were fearful of the nazi party would have been
overjoyed
not to mention the Jew's , gays and all the other minority groups
that were victims of the nazi's
>
>>
>> hearts and minds yes
>> hearts of hatred and minds filled with planning revenge
>>
>>
>> if the US was not so far away
>> this "war" would not end for centuries
>> Islam has a long memory
>
> And here I thought we were fighting Hussein dead-enders.
>
yeah , your right , its hard not too have slips like that
I read all the posts , it does have an effect
>> Know your enemy , are , words of wisdom
>> seems like somebody rushed this
>> wonder who the brains of this operation was?
>> what idiot?
>
> An idiot with brains?
>
Let's not go there :-)
PBS
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:13:36 +0100, "Le Darwin"
> <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, Bill <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>>> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing those
>>
>>Why do you say these people on the street are terrorists?
>
> Hey dummy. Let me ask you a question. Give it serious consideration
> before you answer.
>
> Do you honestly believe - the US would dump a 500 lb bomb - launch an
> F16 - plan and execute an attack that no doubt cost upwards of perhaps
> hundreds of thousands of dollar - perhaps millions (when one takes
> into account the cost of the weapons involved, the needed support,
> etc.) - purposely - against a group of civilians out for an after
> dinner stroll?
>
> Seriously. Do you really believe that?
In general no , but there have been many mistakes made during wartime
many undocumented
many buried
many just unreported
wonder how much it cost early on in Iraq during the friendly fire
"accidents"
> If you were a commander - would you launch attacks against groups of
> civilians or do you think it might be more plausible that the goal or
> military objective in war MIGHT be to kill those who are trying to
> kill you?
balance of probabilities , your right
but all we had here was a link to a .wmv clip
nothing else
> I know this is really reaching and it's a tough question, but try and
> put away your hatred of everything American
I love American stuff
for starters we wouldn't have this medium of communication
please
I'm not burning anything here
just giving a voice , perhaps an injustice
if I'm wrong fine
better to err on the side of caution
and just keep it in
> perspective of strictly the context of winning a war.
>
a war I personally didn't approve of and never had a say in
PBS
I don't appreciate that, your getting ahead of yourself here
it's not even bedtime
PBS
>> >>
>> >> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:40F96CEB...@pacbell.net...
>> >> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
>> >> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
>> >> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 650K (Short download)
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> do they even know who they killed?
>> >
>> >
>> >> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been
>> > anything!
>> >
> have
>> > been a Taliban training area.
>>
>> another thing
>> guilty people, or in this case combatants scatter and take cover when
>> they
>> see an enemy plane overhead
>> these guys just kept walking
>> like they had nothing to hide
>
> more than likely night time. Did the group have a loud radio playing?
> Was
> there a strong wind blowing? Could the targets have been drunk? There
> could be any number of reasons why nobody was trying to hide or run. They
> may not have heard the plane.
>
>
sorry , but you pose as many unanswered questions as I did
I'm just erring on the side of caution
when lives are concerned
if I'm wrong , fine
I'll shut the fuck up
Hobdbcgv
>> F16 - plan and execute an attack that no doubt cost upwards of perhaps
>> hundreds of thousands of dollar - perhaps millions (when one takes
>> into account the cost of the weapons involved, the needed support,
yes, and so does anyone with military or combat experience -
smoking the locals is done all the time - sometimes for effect, sometimes by
mistake -
the attitude becomes that they're just zips to smoke. And a scared local is
a compliant, kept local.
So scare the shit out of them, and most will huddle in their holes and do
whatever you want-
kind of like the sheeple who vote for Bush - say boo and they shit their
pants and give the govt anything they have so they won't be scared again
Scott in Florida
wrote:
>Then see the Twin Tower videos, much more impressiv. Great fun.
>
Tell us how much you enjoyed viewing the murder of 3000 Americans,
Jan.
-----
--Scott in Florida
amigocabal
> use every tool at your disposal to defeat the terrorist enemy.
By "terrorist enemy" you, of course, mean the occupiers! Right?
chainsaw
"amigocabal" <amigo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:19be5381.04071...@posting.google.com...
Were we the "occupiers" when we defeated Hitler? In fact, we're STILL THERE
60 years later! How else can we defeat evil? Shoot the head of the country
and just book? You expose your simpleton thought processes.
TJ
> and a big or - they were all suicidal
To the individual saying that is was a fake. It is a genuine video and
the sound track is not faked either. Its from Fallujah back in April
2004.The image is from either a LANTIRN or Lightning pod from an F-16
or F-15. More than likely an F-16. The aircraft is dropping a laser
guided munition which is redirected from the building by a forward air
controller onto the group of individuals. The altitude of the aircraft
is is the top right hand corner of the screen approx 15,300 feet.
LANTIRN pod details:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article2.html
LANTIRN pod on an F-16. The airman has his hand on the pod:
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/hound20l.jpg
TJ
Julian D.
wrote:
Just refrain from posting in haiku and everything will be fine.
PBS
"TJ" <yru...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:683ee26a.04071...@posting.google.com...
yeah I realise that now, thanks just the same.
Wonder if you can answer this,
was there a curfew in falluji in April this year
or did curfew's start after the blockade?
If so are they shoot to kill on sight curfews?
A tad strict don't ya think , if that's the case
rules are broken all the time
I mean that's a good way to win hearts and minds
shoot to kill curfews
were the nazi's that strict?
I know in the movies it seemed that way,
but any ex residents of nazi Germany here?
ok armed people who break curfew will get shot, fair enough
but what about unarmed (is there such a beast in Iraq) ?
xtmprs...@erols.com
Here is the kind of "thinking" that makes islam backwards.
From a post today:
* Only 370 industrial patents were issued to people in Arab
countries between 1980 and 2000. In South Korea during that same
period, 16,000 industrial patents were issued.
* No more than 10,000 books were translated into Arabic over the
entire past millennium, equivalent to the number translated into
Spanish each year.
The reason Islam is to blame is that such a high percentage of muslims
believe there is nothing to explore in the world, that the koran is
the "final revelation" after which nothing else is important, and that
this "final revelation" is all the "truth" they need. Islam is such
utter poison.
The fastest growing 'religion' in the world is......
NO RELIGION
Modern humans are leaving the regiments of organized religion en masse
in
light of the knowledge and experience we have gained over the last
several
centuries.
Muslims largely missed all of it.
They missed classical philosophy and the industrial revolution, and now
are
so far behind, and dependant on the modern, industrialized world, that
they
are ill-equipped to make reason from reality. The accelerative nature of
life in this new and global digital domain is just too much for those
stuck
in the preface.
Muslims wonder for an instant, then dismiss how those that are supposed
to
be inferior and misguided are living at a higher standard, are richer,
and
have more power that they.
The most educated, free, peaceful, innovative, prosperous and developed
countries on the planet have relegated religion to a private, personal
matter, and one of many that compose our lives.Secularism is growing.
Modern entities of civilized governance realize that if people want to
be
religious, they can, just don't expect that state to have any part of
it.
Peoples of other traditional religions have gotten together, worked,
learned
anew, built things, and built things that build things, while Muslims
have
been kept ignorantly sheltered by bearded old men with narrow realms of
knowledge or understanding in ideologically homogeneous societies.
Muslims have played hardly a part in the development and evolution of
modern
mankind and the philosophies of life that race across the globe.
Peoples with roots in other religions have scholars in many disciplines.
Muslims have but one.
Now that our little planet is all connected and people and information
can
travel anywhere, Muslims can't cope with their collective inferior
status.
It's humiliating for them.
Something must be wrong for them to be in such collective bad shape and
with
the scorn and consternation of all they encounter, but they just won't
allow
themselves to admit that it is them, and their reliance upon religion.
They
make claims of supremacy, chastise others as being off-kilter, and
engage
in
defensive gang-mentalities.
It's delusion, and the repression of it breeds resentment, envy,
depression,
and psycho-neurosis.
They need to get over it.
The rest of us have.
Where humility is required, Muslims exhibit defiance.
To do otherwise, of course, would shatter their ego, their self-worth,
in
essence, their raison d'être.
But that is exactly the wake-up call or slap in the face they need.
The most brilliant of thinkers are brilliant because they can reason,
adapt,
and modify their way through new information.
An old saying is that the only thing that never changes is change.
Time waits for no man.
Except Muslims.
Muslims have been, and are being increasingly pressured to believe that
the
greatest truths of life and man are already known by them and are
untouchable.
No need to look forward, as they already know all the answers.
They see themselves not as students of life, but as the professors.
Why take the test, when someone already gave you all the answers.
They're in one 1,400-year old book authored by one man.
Period.
No questions asked.
Wrong answer.
Peoples from other religious lineages are balancing their religion with
the
new realities of life, and generation by generation, the balance is
shifting
in favor of the realities on the ground now, and not the misplaced,
archaic
ways of ancient times and the myths of some judgement and afterlife in
the
future.
We humans thought up many gods long ago, revised it down to a few later
on,
and ended up with one quite recently.
Most of humanity is now politely ditching that last remnant of
pretending
to
be in grasp of our origins and designs as per long-dead or nearly-dead
theologians, without any guilt whatsoever.
Muslims were the last ones to claim revelation, so we can expect them to
be
the last ones to figure out that it's a bit of a sham to fool ourselves
into
thinking we know what we don't and keep us in tow.
Sure, draw some morals and support from examples, but put it in context
and
realize that tomorrow is a new day that may be very different from
yesterday, let alone the tribal ways of 14 centuries ago.
We've learned quite a bit since then.
We all just wish Muslims would hurry up and join the rest of the
rational
world instead of resisting so hard to keep their heads high, with all
the
over-compensation so dangerously plain to see.
Peace.
MHM.
xtmprs...@erols.com
The lower bush's poll numbers go the more name calling
we'll see from the right.
> Especially as they realize Bush will more than likely
> win.
Especially as they realise Bush will likely lose.
PBS
<xtmprs...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40FABBF2...@erols.com...
yeah , fair enough.
I have been in many a debate with Muslim friends over things like science,
health care
and faith and lots more issues
there is no debating
they claim, and sincerely that the Koran has the answer to everything
and with the honesty and look of a child , they show me
the book expecting me to get a spiritual awakening of the
highest order.
I'm still friends, but they don't come around anymore
its their way or the highway it seems
well I can see , what wont bend will snap
and yes it is a matter of time
it's a shame because most of the Muslims I have met
have really good hearts
and would make a lot of contribution but alas
that's probably why they are in that trouble to begin with
P
>
> * Only 370 industrial patents were issued to people in Arab
> countries between 1980 and 2000. In South Korea during that same
> period, 16,000 industrial patents were issued.
>
> * No more than 10,000 books were translated into Arabic over the
> entire past millennium, equivalent to the number translated into
> Spanish each year.
>
>
> The reason Islam is to blame is that such a high percentage of Muslims
Le Darwin
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:13:36 +0100, "Le Darwin"
> <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, Bill <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>>> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing
>>> those
>>
>> Why do you say these people on the street are terrorists?
>
> Hey dummy. Let me ask you a question. Give it serious consideration
> before you answer.
>
> Do you honestly believe - the US would dump a 500 lb bomb - launch an
> F16 - plan and execute an attack that no doubt cost upwards of perhaps
> hundreds of thousands of dollar - perhaps millions (when one takes
> into account the cost of the weapons involved, the needed support,
> etc.) - purposely - against a group of civilians out for an after
> dinner stroll?
>
> Seriously. Do you really believe that?
Of course they don't do it "for an after dinner stroll".
They do it based on their mostly faulty intelligence. :-|
--
-darwin-
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
xtmprs...@erols.com
So you see, Islam is already there.
Lobotomies "r us.
Le Darwin
[..]
> Look. This is war. A war we didn't start.
Of course you started this war.
Or perhaps it was Saddam who invaded Florida?
Le Darwin
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:15:26 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
[..]
> If one looks at the bigger picture this all makes perfect sense - and
> is a brilliant strategic move by the Bush administration.
Only in the raving mind of a lunatic....
And, alas, only a lunatic would attack a country (Iran) that is well on
the path to reach Democracy from inside, disrupting all the proccess and
empowering the Islamist hardline.
Le Darwin
[..]
> Let me ask you a question.
>
> Would the better answer be to let others develop these types of
> weapons and the US not do so?
Recall who started the stupid nuclear race, and you will avoid asking
stupid questions.
Le Darwin
[..]
> I love American stuff
> for starters we wouldn't have this medium of communication
> please
For heavens sake, the internet was a team work, between US and many other
countries, not an "American gift to the World" as you seem to think.
It all started in Switzerland, BTW.
phantom
<darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:24:47 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:13:36 +0100, "Le Darwin"
>> <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:10:36 GMT, Bill <wil...@noaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder how many lives we saved by blowing the living shit out of that
>>>> group of terrorists. Even if just one person was saved by killing
>>>> those
>>>
>>> Why do you say these people on the street are terrorists?
>>
>> Hey dummy. Let me ask you a question. Give it serious consideration
>> before you answer.
>>
>> Do you honestly believe - the US would dump a 500 lb bomb - launch an
>> F16 - plan and execute an attack that no doubt cost upwards of perhaps
>> hundreds of thousands of dollar - perhaps millions (when one takes
>> into account the cost of the weapons involved, the needed support,
>> etc.) - purposely - against a group of civilians out for an after
>> dinner stroll?
>>
>> Seriously. Do you really believe that?
>
>Of course they don't do it "for an after dinner stroll".
>They do it based on their mostly faulty intelligence. :-|
Mostly faulty intelligence?
I would say a more reasonable assesment would be "sometimes faulty" or
even "infrequently faulty'.
You infer that most of the time we will be blowing the wrong people to
bits based on faulty intelligence. I think your argument is weak.
But - it's a given that in times of war, mistakes will be made.
You might want to take a look at an interesting article on just this
topic:
phantom
<darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:07:36 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
>[..]
>> Look. This is war. A war we didn't start.
>
>Of course you started this war.
>Or perhaps it was Saddam who invaded Florida?
You are very much missing the bigger picture. Take a look at a map of
the middle east. Give it some thought.
phantom
<darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>[stupid Rush Limbaugh ng removed]
>
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:15:26 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
>[..]
>> If one looks at the bigger picture this all makes perfect sense - and
>> is a brilliant strategic move by the Bush administration.
>
>Only in the raving mind of a lunatic....
>And, alas, only a lunatic would attack a country (Iran) that is well on
>the path to reach Democracy from inside, disrupting all the proccess and
>empowering the Islamist hardline.
Yes, they've been on the path to Democracy since '79 now. We should
just hang out and let them evolve into loving us here in the US.
Sounds like a great plan.
Maybe we can even do like encounter groups and stuff with the mullahs.
Wow. I feel their pain already.
phantom
<darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:27:56 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
>[..]
>> Let me ask you a question.
>>
>> Would the better answer be to let others develop these types of
>> weapons and the US not do so?
>
>Recall who started the stupid nuclear race, and you will avoid asking
>stupid questions.
And by focusing on who developed nukes first, you're missing the point
entirely and proving your inability to even get a grasp on the issue
expressed.
You're an idiot.
PBS
"Le Darwin" <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:opsbcq5zw37r93gk@paulo...
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:27:56 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>> Let me ask you a question.
>>
>> Would the better answer be to let others develop these types of
>> weapons and the US not do so?
>
> Recall who started the stupid nuclear race, and you will avoid asking
> stupid questions.
>
actually that is a valid point,
I seem to recall reading about the warnings
and scenarios, seeing the photos ,placards with messages that
not many could have the foresight to understand
The US had many anti-nuke protesters
warning of how the balance of power will shift not
to the brightest country but the ones with the most arms
also if more money under the guise of foreign aid
is spent on education rather than arms , we
might not have this trouble
throw a pile of books instead of bomb
and don't say they would burn them
because funnily enough, that is not
an Arab idea
PBS
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:08:23 GMT, PBS <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> [..]
>> I love American stuff
>> for starters we wouldn't have this medium of communication
>> please
>
> For heavens sake, the internet was a team work, between US and many other
> countries, not an "American gift to the World" as you seem to think.
> It all started in Switzerland, BTW.
>
>
not the technical manuals I have read
the US military got the ball rolling
it may not have meant it to be a Nobel award winning idea
but nevertheless
they may have used engineers that were of Swiss origin
and now US citizens
I'm happy to say thanks to the US for the net
Le Darwin
>
> "Le Darwin" <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:opsbc5bekm7r93gk@paulo...
>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:08:23 GMT, PBS <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>> I love American stuff
>>> for starters we wouldn't have this medium of communication
>>> please
>>
>> For heavens sake, the internet was a team work, between US and many
>> other
>> countries, not an "American gift to the World" as you seem to think.
>> It all started in Switzerland, BTW.
I made a mistake here. What started in Switzerland was the Web, not the
Internet.
> not the technical manuals I have read
> the US military got the ball rolling
Part of it was the Arpanet, thenetwork developed by the DOD. Anyway, if
there were not other networks to connect in other countries, it would have
remained a national Intranet of regional utility.
As recently as 1992 I used a parallel network, named BITNET, that was
connected to the Arpanet.
> it may not have meant it to be a Nobel award winning idea
> but nevertheless
It was a team work, as I said, not an individual ideia.
> they may have used engineers that were of Swiss origin
> and now US citizens
?!
Of course not.
They were Swiss citizens, living in Switzerland, who started the WWW.
Not everything comes from the States, you knew?
> I'm happy to say thanks to the US for the net
If you feel that need...
Well, much of the work was made on their universities, that's a fact.
PBS
> On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:27:51 GMT, PBS <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Le Darwin" <darwin...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:opsbc5bekm7r93gk@paulo...
>>> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:08:23 GMT, PBS <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>> I love American stuff
>>>> for starters we wouldn't have this medium of communication
>>>> please
>>>
>>> For heavens sake, the internet was a team work, between US and many
>>> other
>>> countries, not an "American gift to the World" as you seem to think.
>>> It all started in Switzerland, BTW.
>
> I made a mistake here. What started in Switzerland was the Web, not the
> Internet.
that's a huge difference
its like the significance of automatic transmission along side
the significance of the invention of the motorcar
my understanding of events is-
the military paid for the development of the network for its own interests
it couldn't use it as a weapon so it allowed the universities to use it
as they put in a lot of the work anyway.
it grew from there
and I for one am glad
rest of post is moot now
Rainer Haas
>>Only in the raving mind of a lunatic....
>>And, alas, only a lunatic would attack a country (Iran) that is well on
>>the path to reach Democracy from inside, disrupting all the proccess and
>>empowering the Islamist hardline.
>
> Yes, they've been on the path to Democracy since '79 now. We should
> just hang out and let them evolve into loving us here in the US.
Actually, they had been well on their way to democracy in the early
1950s. Then the US decided to overthrow their democratically elected
prime minister (who was daring to assert sovereign control over the
country's resources) and installed a dictator instead.
Jan
"Scott in Florida" <NotInThi...@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:00:20 +0200, "Jan" <ov...@nospamonline.no>
> wrote:
>
> >Then see the Twin Tower videos, much more impressiv. Great fun.
> >
>
> Tell us how much you enjoyed viewing the murder of 3000 Americans,
> Jan.
>
cliff
> "LKBOOP" <lkb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > I'm glad to see that my tax dollars were well spent that
> > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > ArKLyte_ wrote:
> >> IRAQ Video: F-16 Versus Uppity Jihadis ...
> >>
> >> http://www.jswaim.com/files/CAS.wmv
> >>
> >> 650K (Short download)
> >>
> >
>
> do they even know who they killed?
> The reason for those people walking in the street could have been anything!
>
>
> as if to say- what the fuck have we just done
>
> I can't believe my eyes
>
> like they didn't even seem to have weapons
> certainly no talk of firing
>
> I gotta say, I am fuckin flabbergasted!
>
> please tell me this is a forgery
This is nothing new. American soldiers are cowards. They shoot or
blow up anything that moves. If they see someone entering a building,
they blow up the whole block.
When I hear of an American soldier being killed or injured, I have to
jack off I get so excited.
PBS
"cliff" <comp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's crap!not to mention perverted.
The soldiers are merely following orders.
You obviously have never served or no nothing about serving.
My objection is with the people who send these men and women and make the
orders.
Most of these guys (mainly the ground troops) should never have served in a
culture so different
from their own, without a lengthier lesson about the Arabic way of life.
If only for the very least as a sound military tactic.
You cannot win hearts and minds when at the top of your own heart and mind
are the terms
sangnigger raghead camel fucker etc etc etc
I know it's only human , that's why I felt that the war on terror should
have begun, if at all,
when all the anger cooled off.
xtmprs...@erols.com
The arab idea is to outlaw printing presses, so you see
how far education will go in islam.
xtmprs...@erols.com
Le Darwin wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:27:56 -0400, phantom <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
> > Let me ask you a question.
> >
> > Would the better answer be to let others develop these types of
> > weapons and the US not do so?
>
> Recall who started the stupid nuclear race, and you will avoid asking
> stupid questions.
>
Recall who is obsessed with killing infidels, and you will avoid
making stupid statements.
Cosmic00
> My objection is with the people who send these men and women and make the
> orders.
> Most of these guys (mainly the ground troops) should never have served in a
> culture so different
> from their own, without a lengthier lesson about the Arabic way of life.
> If only for the very least as a sound military tactic.
> You cannot win hearts and minds when at the top of your own heart and mind
> are the terms
> sangnigger raghead camel fucker etc etc etc
>
Yep. Unfortunetly, I DO believe that the those people that sent
soldiers overseas WANTED them to hate and use those terms... It makes
it much easier to kill if you dehumanize your enemy. I still wonder
what in Hell the US is trying to accomplish in Iraq. It's a big
disaster. The Bush Admin and Media are spewing a lot of crap about
'terrorists' causing all the problems in Iraq. What a bunch of bull!
What the US is literally doing is using highly advanced weaponary
against people that are pissed off because their land has been
invaded, and controlled by a foreign nation. The 'terrorist' label is
just thrown around way too much.
Nobody deserves what the US Admin has done to the people of Iraq. The
people in Iraq have all the right to be pissed of at the US
administration, and those who support the inane actions being done by
our soldiers. I agree that soldiers are not the main blame for the
actions being carried out. I am sure there are soldiers that are
genuine in their wanting to help Iraqis, but that doesn't take away
from chaos that has been caused by the invasion. The Bush
Administration has carried this out in the stupidest manner possible.
Everything that could've possibly gone wrong, HAS gone wrong.
The pre-emptive strike on IRaq has only fueled hatred for the US for
years to come. It hasn't brought freedom or security, it has brought
oppression and fear. I feel sorry for the IRaqi people that have had
their lives destroyed, and then labeled 'terrorists' because they
didn't want to sell out to the American Empire... I also feel sorry
for the soldiers who will and have lost their lives, while old farts
in the White House play with their lives as if they were toys in a
sandbox. The most irritating thing about it all is that this war is
being fueled by money coming out of honest American's paychecks, and
done in the most undemocratic way possible. The US is not a
Democracy, it's a freakin wanna-be dictatorship!
Even Bush said it himself:
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
Well, with comments like that, I wonder why the US Army is in Iraq
looking for 'Enemies of Democracy', when they are actually here in the
US of A.
-cos
Legal Tender
I agree.
So lets give them Sadam back and re-instate him to power.. That should solve
everything..
Frank
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PBS
"Legal Tender" <ar...@galaxynet.com> wrote in message
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> You talk about how pissed off the Iraq people are do to the US being
> there..
> I agree.
> So lets give them Sadam back and re-instate him to power.. That should
> solve
> everything..
No , Iraq is now a political hot potato , I doubt even he wants it back.
But seriously , I suggest that treating the Iraqi people with more respect
would only help things.
Give them their pride back. If it's not too late already.
Maybe then the interim Govt with the help of the CF would get the right
information
about where the real troublemakers are , the non-Iraqi "insurgents"
and they can be dealt with, so that Iraq can start getting on with it.
Imagine how easy that would have been if the Iraqi's helped out.
If they had been truly won over in the first place.
Maybe that WAS the plan, but it sure as hell didn't work out that way
Michael C. Shultz
> You talk about how pissed off the Iraq people are do to the US being there..
> I agree.
> So lets give them Sadam back and re-instate him to power.. That should solve
> everything..
>
> Frank
Great idea, we should also pay them in cash for all the damage we caused.
-Mike
chainsaw
"Michael C. Shultz" <ring...@inbox.lv> wrote in message
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You're free to write a check, assuming your mommy lets you have a checking
account.
Michael C. Shultz
I do, just used it to send your mom payment for servicing my dog. Please
let her know the "check is in the mail" and my dog says he's had better.
-Mike
chainsaw
"we should also pay them" translated into English: "everybody but me should
pay them".
phantom
Which would explain why your dog won't come out from under the bed.
chainsaw
"phantom" <phantom@the_opera.com> wrote in message
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Guess he must have worn himself out thinking about Max Cleland's missing
limbs.
cliff
> "Legal Tender" <ar...@galaxynet.com> wrote in message
> news:10fo3le...@corp.supernews.com...
> > You talk about how pissed off the Iraq people are do to the US being
> > there..
> > I agree.
> > So lets give them Sadam back and re-instate him to power.. That should
> > solve
> > everything..
>
> No , Iraq is now a political hot potato , I doubt even he wants it back.
>
> But seriously , I suggest that treating the Iraqi people with more respect
> would only help things.
> Give them their pride back. If it's not too late already.
We have killed and maimed civilians. Contaminated their land with
radiation. And are steeling their oil.
I'm going out on a limb here and assume it's too late.
cliff
That was the Nazi's excuse.
> You obviously have never served or no nothing about serving.
No, I have and will not serve in the military. I will not be
pawn for a bunch of rich fat fucks in Washington.
>
> My objection is with the people who send these men and women and make the
> orders.
> Most of these guys (mainly the ground troops) should never have served in a
> culture so different
> from their own, without a lengthier lesson about the Arabic way of life.
> If only for the very least as a sound military tactic.
> You cannot win hearts and minds when at the top of your own heart and mind
> are the terms
> sangnigger raghead camel fucker etc etc etc
>
> I know it's only human , that's why I felt that the war on terror should
> have begun, if at all,
> when all the anger cooled off.
Let me get this straight. The people that flew planes into the towers
were Saudi Arabian. Yet, these inbred soldiers are angry at the Iraqis.
The gene pool needs a cleaning. Lets send more inbreeds to Iraq.
chainsaw
> "PBS" <pbso...@Mbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "Legal Tender" <ar...@galaxynet.com> wrote in message
> > news:10fo3le...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > You talk about how pissed off the Iraq people are do to the US being
> > > there..
> > > I agree.
> > > So lets give them Sadam back and re-instate him to power.. That should
> > > solve
> > > everything..
> >
> > No , Iraq is now a political hot potato , I doubt even he wants it back.
> >
> > But seriously , I suggest that treating the Iraqi people with more
respect
> > would only help things.
> > Give them their pride back. If it's not too late already.
>
>
> We have killed and maimed civilians.
Isn't that what happens in all armed conflicts?
Contaminated their land with
> radiation.
Really? What kind of radiation?
> And are steeling their oil.
Please provide evidence we are steeling their oil.
> I'm going out on a limb here and assume it's too late.
Maybe if you were to jump.