Over the last two hundred years, perhaps beginning with the French
Revolution, liberals, leftists,
socialists, Marxists, and collectivists have been promising societal
"change" and utopia but this has never been realized.
The French have an aphormism about this illusionary and delusionary
promise by government of "change". It is "plus ca change, plus c'est
la meme chose" (the more it
changes, the more it's the same thing). We have seen this with
Castro's Cuba and Hugo Chavez's
Venezuela with its 25% annual inflation. But people never learn. The
evil of hope springs eternal
in the human breast wrote British poet Alexander Pope over two hundred
years ago. Today, Democrats are emotionally flocking to Barack Obama
as someone new and different. Well, he isn't. And if he were to be
elected president (god forgive) life, through his "change" would not
get any better for Americans or the world; it would get worse.
That's very reassuring and I hope you are correct.
Sorry, I forgot to include this link to Terence Cocoran's column
titled "Obama
sells same old stuff".
Yup,he's the most radical leftist in congress which makes him so
appealing to the young upcoming radical leftists in this country.I
wonder if we'll ever find out exactly how much money buckwheat has
received from George Soros.Soros has been trying to influence
elections in this country for years.Looks like he may finally get his
way.The mindless Bush hating sheeple may actually put that goofy
looking Marxist chimp in charge of the nuclear football.
If you're under thirty and not a liberal you have no compassion.If
you're over 30 and still a liberal you're a fucking moron.
The evil of hope? Hope does not enter this equation at all. Anything
will be better than the past seven years of radical, criminal violation
of the Constitution.
Bullshit. The violations of the Constitution by "liberals" is legion.
Much of if approved
by the Supreme Court.
You're not seriously still selling that nonsense that the Supreme Court is
dominated by liberals, sparky?
- renowned Conservative scholar Ross John Lambourn
Kurt Sch...@orion.com <cice...@rogers.com> wrote:
> Yes, he is somewhat charismtic and a good promotional speaker, but
> what is this run-of-mill ", boiler-plate "liberal"selling?
>
Since we're at war and Newt Gingrich has no chance of being President, Bush
needs to invoke Marshall Law and cancel the 2008 election for the sake of
protecting Americans and our freedom.
Everyone knows that once Obama wins by a landslide, we're going to become
slaves to a fascist totalitarianism overlord who will force us to live under
Sharia law, worship Che and and obliterate the almighty US dallar from it's
position as the most worshiped currency on earth.
Prominent Conservative revisionist historian Jonah Goldberg assures us that
all Liberals are leaders of The Third Reich and mid 20th century Nazi
Germany, especially the vegetarian ones!
Nobody argues with Jonah Goldberg.
you socialists obviously have inferior intelligence and are no match for the
intellect of the great abelard!
Wow...I bet that goes over well with your doctors.
Yes. Isn't it wonderful? I can't wait till he starts re-distributing
tax dollars from your beloved Exxon into the pockets of the less well
to do. Its such a warm and fuzzy Christian ideal.
Yeah, it's rather difficult to know if he's not taking his thorazine or if
he actually overdosed.
yep...and I gonna vote for him
> universal healthcare,
You mean like in Canada -- where a retired old fart like you doesn't
have to worry about having to sell his house to pay hospital bills
because the government's got it covered? THAT kind of universal
health care?
> income redistribution
You mean like in Canada -- where we taxed the rich high enough to pay
career teachers like you a decent salary -- enough that you could buy
your own home, holiday in Cuba, and enjoy the kind of indexed pension
you receive every month? THAT kind of income redistribution
> and "world peace".
You mean like in Europe -- where 2,500 years of almost constant
warfare has been replaced by economic integration and so-called
"natural enemies" like the French and the Germans are now partners
rather than military antagonists.
> Over the last two hundred years, perhaps beginning with the French
> Revolution, liberals, leftists, socialists, Marxists, and collectivists have
> been promising societal "change" and utopia but this has never been
> realized.
"No change"??? You mean other than replacing widespread poverty,
undemocratic tyranny and perpetual militarism in Europe and the
Americas being with widespread prosperity, widespread democracy (even
women and the descendants of slaves have the vote) and 60 years of
peace in Europe.
> The French have an aphormism about this illusionary and delusionary
> promise by government of "change". It is "plus ca change, plus c'est
> la meme chose" (the more it changes, the more it's the same thing).
Bullshit.
100 years ago the average life expectancy was about 60 -- to day it is
over 80 -- largely because government pays for public health and
medical care. There are dozens of other measures that have changed
for the better: poverty rates, infant mortality, educational
opportunities, pensions (like yours), well-paid teachers (like you,
before you retired), equal career opportunities for women, an enormous
reduction in racism... all of which came about because people that you
call "liberals" had a political vision that became public policy and
changed the world.
You are a bitter old man, crying into his half-empty glass of booze,
pretending that there is no point to idealism because "nothing ever
changes" when the reality is that most of the things that make your
own life enjoyable -- economic security, military security, healthcare
security -- are there because the world HAS changed.
> We have seen this with Castro's Cuba and Hugo Chavez's
> Venezuela with its 25% annual inflation. But people never learn. The
> evil of hope springs eternal in the human breast wrote British poet
> Alexander Pope over two hundred years ago.
You could just as well quote the optimism of the American Declaration
of Independence (I'm sure there are some excerpts in your "History for
Dummies" book). The reality is that the optimists were right, Pope
was wrong. Perhaps Pope -- like you -- was suffering the depression
that often accompanies chronic alcoholism.
> Today, Democrats are emotionally flocking to Barack Obama
> as someone new and different. Well, he isn't. And if he were to be
> elected president (god forgive) life, through his "change" would not
> get any better for Americans or the world; it would get worse.
You live in an imaginary world where the high economic growth and
balanced budgets of Bill Clinton are "worse" than the sputtering
economic growth and record deficits of George Bush. You are much too
impaired to be a reliable judge of "better" or "worse."
>Yes, he is somewhat charismtic and a good promotional speaker, but
>what is this run-of-mill ", boiler-plate "liberal"selling? Nothing but
>the same old "liberal" bromides such as more social spending, higher
>taxes on the rich and on business, universal healthcare, income
>redistribution and "world peace". But we have heard it all before,
>most recently from Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, two radical
>presidential primary candidates who went nowhere.
>
>Over the last two hundred years, perhaps beginning with the French
>Revolution, liberals, leftists,
>socialists, Marxists, and collectivists have been promising societal
>"change" and utopia but this has never been realized.
>
Over the past 200 years, society has changed in significant ways in no
small part due to the influence of liberals. .
......and the pendulum keeps on swingin'......so far to the Left that the
next stop is communism. The left were'nt happy with correcting societies
woes to help afford the basic human rights and entitlements, all noble
causes. The problem today is that people like deilley want EVERYTHING
covered by the nanny state. Affirmative Action is an example of the Lefts
contribution to the hatred that is permeating American society. So we now
say;" here young boy/girl, because your are black and obviously dumber than
the white race, you get free bonus points when you write your exams." "And
you Mr. Chicano, well ,you are a poor minority (because there are NO poor
white people) we'll give you this job even though you are completely
unqualified for the position and we now all feel much better having shed our
collective guilt for the sins of the past." This is the Liberalism of today.
This is why the system will collapse upon itself. And to sum
up.......women spills hot coffee from McDonalds in her lap while trying to
drive....scalds beaver.....blames Mickey dees....and wins judgement in
court. This is the Liberal legacy.....why blame myself for my own stupidity
when I can blame everyone else.....specially Bush....cause its all HIS
fault.
Did you get your views about society from the same source as the hot
coffee story? Your level of "uninformedness" is usually found only
among viewers of Fox News:
http://www.atla.org/PressRoom/FACTS/frivolous/McdonaldsCoffeecase.aspx
>> Over the past 200 years, society has changed in significant ways in no
>> small part due to the influence of liberals. .
>
>......and the pendulum keeps on swingin'......so far to the Left that the
>next stop is communism.
Nonsense. Communism is so discredited that these days, people who
aren't even close to it are now called communists the way
conservatives who were nothing like nazis were called "nazi" in the
60s.
She placed the coffee between her legs to add condiments. Hardly a location
condusive to achieving her friggin goal without burning herself. You accuse
me of garnering my story from FOX all the while you link to a legal advocacy
group who have a vested interest in morons like her and the continuation of
said "its not MY fault" litigeous dipshits. 700 claims over ten years when
McDonalds would have sold how many coffees in the same time span? Millions?
......funny you would address the McDonalds myth but make no mention of
affirmative action. ?
BTW.....fox news has more viewers than most other news networks combined
soooo....given the results of the last two elections (popular vote roughly
50-50) and using your theory that only conservatives watch fox news, I would
argue that a fair amount of your brethren must be .....closet fox viewers?
.......one mans "fear of change" is anothers "discrimination." When whites
discriminated against blacks in the 50's historically, that was wrong, as we
clearly see in hindsight. When tree hugging hippie type fags discriminate
against white people today we see that as what?
If it was wrong then, what makes it right today?
.........in the 60's? the term "Nazi" to describe a conservative is far more
prevailent today.
Today, the term "Nazi" can easily be linked to the Obama-mania or the GW
crowd.
>
>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
>news:7cter35rd0qr7e7j5...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:09:49 GMT, "Sanity"
>> <newsgrou...@getalife.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> Over the past 200 years, society has changed in significant ways in no
>>>> small part due to the influence of liberals. .
>>>
>>>......and the pendulum keeps on swingin'......so far to the Left that the
>>>next stop is communism.
>>
>> Nonsense. Communism is so discredited that these days, people who
>> aren't even close to it are now called communists the way
>> conservatives who were nothing like nazis were called "nazi" in the
>> 60s.
>
>.........in the 60's? the term "Nazi" to describe a conservative is far more
>prevailent today.
Nah. Stayed pretty steady.
A vague handwaving accusation that you haven't supported.
The coffee was served at a temperature of between 180 and 190 degrees!
Even if she had spilled it while seated at a table she would have been
scalded. It was pure negligence on McDonald's part. They knew coffee
at that temperature was unsafe and that at least 700 cases had been
reported. They had proof it was very dangerous. And they could have
settled with this old lady for $20K and she would have been case 701.
But no, McD's had to be greedy. And it cost them. Good. And as for
the "legal advocacy group who have a vested interest," where exactly did
the American Association for Justice misrepresent the case?
..........funny you would claim prejudice but make no mention of where
that shows. ?
> ......funny you would address the McDonalds myth but make no mention of
> affirmative action. ?
What's there to say. I'm not for it on a blanket basis. But I've
helped buddies get over a wall by giving them a boost. Looks like a
good idea for a society to do as well, in some cases.
> BTW.....fox news has more viewers than most other news networks combined
> soooo....given the results of the last two elections (popular vote
> roughly 50-50) and using your theory that only conservatives watch fox
> news, I would argue that a fair amount of your brethren must be
> .....closet fox viewers?
People on all sides of the political debate can act dumb. But Fox is
mostly a Republican network, a side for which it produces talking
points. Their ratings are much lower than you think. On this past
Super Tuesday, CNN (all by itself!) drew more viewers than Fox. Fox
won't have much of a story to tell this year as their candidate is an
erratic admiral aboard a sinking ship and all the action is on the
Democratic side where nobody will talk to them.
A lot of people think that if it walks, swims, and quacks like a Nazi...
Your life must be very sad if it can be negatively impacted by "tree
hugging hippie type fags."
As we know, only leftists are into social engineering; so what Bush is doing
is called "change".
Bwaaahbaaaawwwaaa! Yep! That's the ticket!
"social engineering" and "political correctness" are right wing terms that
are up there with Reagan and Bush running massive deficts and calling their
actions "fiscally conservative".
Right wingers are morons.
Is it any wonder why most of you are mypotic, fat and stupid?
"Hey! Check this out! I gouge up oil in the Alberta tar sands at triple the
cost of the natural gas that makes it so!" "I'm a brainless right wing
turd!"
> The evil of hope? Hope does not enter this equation at all. Anything
> will be better than the past seven years of radical, criminal violation
> of the Constitution.
It will be refreshing to have anyone who has ever seen a law he
would obey in the White House again.
>
> Bullshit. The violations of the Constitution by "liberals" is legion.
> Much of if approved by the Supreme Court.
Which demonstrates you are wrong.
The positive change was almost ENTIRELY due to liberals.
> "David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
> news:7cter35rd0qr7e7j5...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:09:49 GMT, "Sanity"
> > <newsgrou...@getalife.ca> wrote:
> >
> >>> Over the past 200 years, society has changed in significant ways in no
> >>> small part due to the influence of liberals. .
> >>
> >>......and the pendulum keeps on swingin'......so far to the Left that the
> >>next stop is communism.
> >
> > Nonsense. Communism is so discredited that these days, people who
> > aren't even close to it are now called communists the way
> > conservatives who were nothing like nazis were called "nazi" in the
> > 60s.
>
> .........in the 60's? the term "Nazi" to describe a conservative is far more
> prevailent today.
That's because in the 60s there was a bigger difference between
conservatives and Nazis. GWB and his crowd have eroded the line
between American conservatism and fascism. It was once bright
and clear, but not any more, with attempts to legalize forms of
torture, blatant ignoring of the law, blatant ignoring of human
rights including basic legal rights, claims that the President
can put people above the law, claims that the President doesn't
have to obey the law, attempts to immunize corporations that
helped the government break the law, etc.
> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:11:50 -0800 (PST), "Kurt Schu...@orion.com"
> > <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote:
> > >Over the last two hundred years, perhaps beginning with the French
> > >Revolution, liberals, leftists,
> > >socialists, Marxists, and collectivists have been promising societal
> > >"change" and utopia but this has never been realized.
>
> > Over the past 200 years, society has changed in significant ways in no
> > small part due to the influence of liberals. .
>
> The positive change was almost ENTIRELY due to liberals.
In my response to John Lambourn -- the senile, alcoholic attention-
whore who started this thread -- that was exactly my point. The
hypocrisy of Mr. Lambourn is that he has personally benefited from
most of these liberal-driven improvements in our lives:
- longer life expectancy (due to laws on working conditions and public
sanitation, and taxpayer funded medical research and -- in Canada
where Mr. Lambourn lives -- universal, taxpayer-funded health care);
- taxpayer-funded public education;
- taxpayer-funded retirement benefits...
- union pensions funds
- a tax system that doesn't allow the wealthy to end up with ALL the
loot, where someone with a taxpayer-financed teacher's income can
afford to buy a house
all innovations that came about in the 20th century because of people
this retired public-school teacher disparages as "liberals and
socialists."
Don't pay attention to the gutless geriatric old chickenhawk welfare case,
nobody else does. The cocksucker hasn't held down a worthwhile job in his
life and when the guns come out, is the first to grab an innocent and use
them as a shield. He's always demanding that others do his fighting for him
and he's a notorious ignorant blowhard - a typical "do as I say, not as I
do" rightist. The old bugger has one foot in the grave anyway and hasn't
served a purpose in society for 30 years except to suck cock, booze it up and
spout the usual bitterness hostile lies. He's so afraid of Muslims that
you can smell the reek of his shit everywhere. The coward is just another
Hitler worshiping racist rightist without a brain who indulges in child
pornography. He's the kind of asshole who believes that if his enemies are
analy raping children then it's fine for him to do so as well.
Ross John "Clay Northwood" / "Clint Hunter" / ""Kurt Sch...@orion.com"
" (and now "Sheldon Pierce") Lambourn is a right wing freedom hating
hypocrite, asshole, attention starved loon and liar. He is a retired career
civil servant who resides in Canada sucking from the social safety net and
living off a tax payer funded pension. It's no end of irony that he sees
himself as a capitalist. He frequently uses the above pseudonyms to fake
support for the gibberish he posts on Usenet.
Obviously, he's a gullible pathological liar who believes his own transparent
deceptions. A fool who has no courage in his convictions so he must tell
lies in a feeble attempt to boost failing support for his "beliefs".
He is also a noted seditious America hating traitor who has continually
called for the suspension of the US Constitution and the cancellation of
American civil liberties. Lambourn is consumed with hate and bitterness and
expresses it by posting incoherent screeds based on his distorted and
delusional view of the world.
Most know him for his early morning, booze fuelled rants which rarely make
sense and serve no other purpose than to feed his perverse cravings for
public ridicule.
>Itchy <it...@anon.com> wrote:
>> yep...and I gonna vote for him
>>
>Vote Quimby.
Nah - Monty Burns if you're a Republican.
WB Yeats
>Winston Smith, American Patriot <Franz...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>> You're not seriously still selling that nonsense that the Supreme Court is
>> dominated by liberals, sparky?
>>
>you stupid leftist socialist fascist, things have been that way since clinton
>pardoned his left wing buddy timothy mcveigh and appointed him as head of our
>Supreme Court. Why are leftists like you so stupid? why do you fail to
>understand the complexities of world affairs?
>
>you socialists obviously have inferior intelligence and are no match for the
>intellect of the great abelard!
Where in the hell did you get that from? Intellect? More like
intelectually challenged. Tell us Abelard, which Heloise are you
fantasizing about? The historical one or the one who gives helpful
hints in the Yellow Pages? I'd posit the latter. Or maybe you're
attempting some type of irony? Nah, that's way too far over your head
to even consider it.
WB Yeats
** ROFLMAO
** SgtMinor betrays total ignorance of the constitution
and any other matters legal.
> It will be refreshing to have anyone who has ever seen a law he
> would obey in the White House again.
** Indeed you seem to want the criminal couple, him one
of the 10 worse presidents in history, or the young guy,
the representative/delegate of the Muslim Brotherhood.
--- ---
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other
faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be
the highest authority in America, and Islam the
only accepted religion on earth."
**** Omar Ahmad, the chairman of the board of CAIR,
the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
> > Bullshit. The violations of the Constitution by "liberals" is legion.
> > Much of if approved by the Supreme Court.
>
> Which demonstrates you are wrong.
** While I do not care for the poster, he is absolutely right
And you, sir ape should go back to the jungle
--- ---
Political correctness is destroying Europe.
America will be the next down the PC tube
greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
Noam Chumpsky, Ward Churchill, and
Slick Willy & Hilly, Algore & Pelosi, too.
There is nothing disparaging about calling someone a liberal. It
is a compliment and should always be taken as such, even when the
person doing the calling is so benighted as to think it is a slur.
A liberal in Australia is a right winger, a liberal in Canada is a centrist,
a provincial Liberal in British Columbia Canada is a right winger.
I oppose the liberal gun laws in some countries that permit easy access to
weapons, but a Liberal in the same country is a "gun grabber".
What is a "Liberal"?
you need Obama like a hole in the head.
The left stole the term for their own use and have raped it to death
It's not as if they represent modern day American society!
>...When tree hugging hippie type fags discriminate
>against white people today ...
You seem to be hallucinating.
>She placed the coffee ...
You are uninformed.
Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday August 13, 2003
The Guardian
A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can
be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and
aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".
As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report's
four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing
talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same
affliction.
All of them "preached a return to an idealized past and condoned
inequality".
Which demonstrates that if the SC told you that free speech wasn't a right
you'd believe it, and that you are not a free thinking citizen but a serf.
In other words, a democrat.
-Eddie Haskell
## You twist everything so nothing you bray
makes sense
i declare that you are are a mentally inferior socialist, while i am the
great abelard.
Read your description,number 1.
--- ---
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk into behaving well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.
1-The stupid aren't smart enough to
follow the logic of what you say. You
have to tell them what is right in very
simple terms. If they don't agree, then
you'll never be able to change their mind.
2- the religious fanatic
?If what you say goes against their
religious belief, they will cling to that
religious belief even if it means their
death."
3- There is no way to reform evil- ?
Not in a million years
There is no way to convince the terrorists,
serial killers, paedophiles, and predators
to change their evil ways. They knew what
they were doing was wrong, but that
knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
them more careful in how they went about
performing their evil acts.
No, it doesn't mean I'm cutting off discussion, or depriving you of
your freedom of speech. Talk all you want. There's no law saying I
have to listen to you lie.
Swill
--
THIS is how we have to win the Iraq War
http://www.wheelchairsforiraqikids.com/
In America, extreme liberalism cohabits political space with
socialism. To the right is the spectrum of conservatism. This is
simplistic I know but it's a start.
I think each member of the Supreme Court is 100x more qualified
and more capable of telling the difference between what the
Constitution says and what it doesn't than you are, and that
includes the ones I think are unworthy of the job.
> In other words, a democrat.
You misspelled Democrat. Yes I am.
Being right and having solutions to national problems counts a
lot more.
"> > It's not as if they represent modern day American society!..."
______________________
Now it's the new scam that Obamy represents American society?
Lenin would be proud.
On Feb 18, 12:20 pm, Lord Athol Layton <l...@gopsd.net> wrote:
## Alan Layton was a good friend of mine when he was
an active wrestler and later as a broadcaster. I
seriously object to an fascist jackass like you
misappropriating the pro name of a real gentleman, a
champion, a fine father, and benefactor to many.
> SaPeIsMa <SaPeI...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > What is a "Liberal"?
## A Fascist!!
> > The left stole the term for their own use and have raped it to death
## ROFLMAO -- Marvellous -- The Left stealing from
the Left.
>
> And when the Conservatives are into any kind of thing remotely resembling
> ecological conservation
## The movement has become strictly fascist for the
monetary benefit of their leaders and not for the
world and its inhabitants
>or legitimate ideas of the yesteryear,
## Pray what "legitimate ideas" are they?? And how
would they work in the 21st century???
> and not just
> simply stubbornly living a nonsensical, idyllic dream of returning to a
> nonexistent idealized past;
## ROFLMAO
What does an idiotic newbie mean by all that?
Not my words. I think Brian Taylor said that.
I said
"Being right and having solutions to national problems counts a
lot more."
Don't you agree?