Oil hit $128 a barrel. Recall very recently it broke the $100 "impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still. One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by their hoarding cause it to rise.
At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
Who benefits by higher oil prices?
1. Exxon and friends. They made the highest profit of any corporation in world history.
2. Everyone. Energy pigs refuse to cut back emissions unless whacked very hard with high prices. High prices are a symptom the bastards still have not had enough pain. They are just beginning to cut back.
3. sellers of devices to use energy more efficiently, including home insulation, double pane windows, contractors, heat pump makers, hybrid cars, electric cars, electric bikes ...
4. OPEC countries. They are siphoning money out of the USA.
5. Canada, a net oil producer. It needs high prices to cost justify extracting the oil sands.
6. alternative energy. Solar, wind, tide, geothermal...
Who is hurt by higher oil prices?
1. manufacturers. They need energy for manufacturing and transport. Customers have less disposable income since it is going for energy and food. There is less left over for manufactured goods.
2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer goods are all more expensive.
3. SUV sellers and owners. They cost too much to run, and the resale value has plummeted. New SUV sales are dropping.
4. farmers. They have higher costs for tractor fuel and fertilisers (made for petrochemicals), and energy to pump water.
5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs and yachts that take $1000 of fuel at a filling.
6. Tourism industry. The costs of travel by air or car mean more folks will stay home or close to home. --
<see_webs...@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote: >Oil hit $128 a barrel. Recall very recently it broke the $100 >"impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still. >One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
>There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by >their hoarding cause it to rise.
>At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global warming. When hydrocarbons get more expensive, people use less and conserve more. You can NOT burn unlimited hydrocarbons and call for reductions in C02 emssions.
Roedy Green wrote: >Oil hit $128 a barrel. Recall very recently it broke the $100 >"impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still. >One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
>There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by >their hoarding cause it to rise.
>At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
>Who benefits by higher oil prices?
>1. Exxon and friends. They made the highest profit of any corporation >in world history.
>2. Everyone. Energy pigs refuse to cut back emissions unless whacked >very hard with high prices. High prices are a symptom the bastards >still have not had enough pain. They are just beginning to cut back.
>3. sellers of devices to use energy more efficiently, including home >insulation, double pane windows, contractors, heat pump makers, >hybrid cars, electric cars, electric bikes ...
>4. OPEC countries. They are siphoning money out of the USA.
>5. Canada, a net oil producer. It needs high prices to cost justify >extracting the oil sands.
>6. alternative energy. Solar, wind, tide, geothermal...
>Who is hurt by higher oil prices?
>1. manufacturers. They need energy for manufacturing and transport. >Customers have less disposable income since it is going for energy and >food. There is less left over for manufactured goods.
>2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer >goods are all more expensive.
But you idiots want to tax Joe Average with the carbon tax while letting the corporate polluters off the hook.
>3. SUV sellers and owners. They cost too much to run, and the resale >value has plummeted. New SUV sales are dropping.
>4. farmers. They have higher costs for tractor fuel and fertilisers >(made for petrochemicals), and energy to pump water.
>5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled >around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so >rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs
Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker fruitcake!
"Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote in message: > Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker > fruitcake!
I see more trucks and SUVs in the city than I do in rural Canada. A truck or 4-wheel-drive is a necessity for some people in rural areas, in the city it's all about image and status. I met a couple once who refused to drive their $60,000 SUV (complete with winch, snorkel and heavy duty suspension kit) on a gravel road because they were afraid it would get dust in the ventilation ducts. These types don't own SUVs for practical reasons... it's purely about copping a superficial image. Of course, this image is driven by clever marketing from the auto industry.
>>Oil hit $128 a barrel. Recall very recently it broke the $100 >>"impossible" barrier. Now it is almost a third higher still. >>One investment bank predicted it will soon hit $141.
>>There is a vicious circle. Speculators expecting prices to rise, by >>their hoarding cause it to rise.
>>At the start of the Bush era, it was $22 a barrel.
>>Who benefits by higher oil prices?
>>1. Exxon and friends. They made the highest profit of any corporation >>in world history.
>>2. Everyone. Energy pigs refuse to cut back emissions unless whacked >>very hard with high prices. High prices are a symptom the bastards >>still have not had enough pain. They are just beginning to cut back.
>>3. sellers of devices to use energy more efficiently, including home >>insulation, double pane windows, contractors, heat pump makers, >>hybrid cars, electric cars, electric bikes ...
>>4. OPEC countries. They are siphoning money out of the USA.
>>5. Canada, a net oil producer. It needs high prices to cost justify >>extracting the oil sands.
>>6. alternative energy. Solar, wind, tide, geothermal...
>>Who is hurt by higher oil prices?
>>1. manufacturers. They need energy for manufacturing and transport. >>Customers have less disposable income since it is going for energy and >>food. There is less left over for manufactured goods.
>>2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer >>goods are all more expensive.
> But you idiots want to tax Joe Average with the carbon tax while > letting the corporate polluters off the hook.
>>3. SUV sellers and owners. They cost too much to run, and the resale >>value has plummeted. New SUV sales are dropping.
>>4. farmers. They have higher costs for tractor fuel and fertilisers >>(made for petrochemicals), and energy to pump water.
>>5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled >>around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so >>rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs
> Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker > fruitcake!
While that is most certainly true, do you think this truck will see much farm or offroad action?
Chom Noamsky wrote: > in rural Canada. A truck or 4-wheel-drive is a necessity for some >people in rural areas, in the city it's all about image and status. >I met a couple once who refused to drive their $60,000 SUV (complete >with winch, snorkel and heavy duty suspension kit) on a gravel road >because they were afraid it would get dust in the ventilation ducts. >These types don't own SUVs for practical reasons... it's purely about >copping a superficial image. Of course, this image is driven by >clever marketing from the auto industry.
Too many people have easy money these days. The poor have more humanity and know what is valuable. When the fall comes the 'rich' saps will hit rock bottom all the harder.
Chom Noamsky <b...@bbq.yum> wrote: > "Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote in message:
> > Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker > > fruitcake!
> I see more trucks and SUVs in the city than I do in rural Canada. A truck > or 4-wheel-drive is a necessity for some people in rural areas, in the city > it's all about image and status. I met a couple once who refused to drive > their $60,000 SUV (complete with winch, snorkel and heavy duty suspension > kit) on a gravel road because they were afraid it would get dust in the > ventilation ducts. These types don't own SUVs for practical reasons... it's > purely about copping a superficial image. Of course, this image is driven > by clever marketing from the auto industry.
I saw a guy with a bald, shaven head fueling up an Explorer the other day and the cashier was blad too!
More proof that the neo-Nazi Skin Heads are behind it!
On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:56:08 GMT, 10x <10x@teluös.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global >warming.
"It is a ill wind that blows nobody good". I am quite sure Mr. Bush did this either out of incompetence or at the request of Exxon to help their profits. That he did it to help global warming strikes me as laughable from such as strong anti-environmentalist.
On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:16:35 -0500, "Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>2. Joe Average. His gas bills, heating bills, food bills, consumer >>goods are all more expensive.
>But you idiots want to tax Joe Average with the carbon tax while >letting the corporate polluters off the hook.
Nope. If demand exceeds supply, prices are going to go up and up.
Who gets the money? Either the government gets it or Exxon gets it. If the government gets it, via a carbon tax, they have the option of reducing other taxes. If Exxon gets it, its gone.
Some of the carbon tax plans are revenue neutral. Pigs pay. Conservers get paid. --
On Sat, 17 May 2008 10:16:35 -0500, "Anarchore" <e...@t.me> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>5. the poor. Food prices for basics like rice and wheat have doubled >>around the world. This means starvation for many. People starve so >>rich fucks can bomb around in SUVs
>Some people in rural areas need trucks and SUVs, you city slicker >fruitcake!
"need" is a harsh word. People in rural areas in the rest of the world get by without trucks and SUVs. People just bomb around in these things for something to do. That sort of wasteful use of the vehicles will be curtailed. Most of the time a much more efficient vehicle would do. Technology can make a much more fuel efficient truck. People just don't give a fuck about the effects on the planet. Perhaps when gas prices double, they will.
Such vehicles used for farming will just pass the costs on to the customers. --
Roedy Green wrote: > On Sat, 17 May 2008 12:56:08 GMT, 10x <10x@teluös.net> wrote, quoted > or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> Mr. Bush has increased the cost of the stuff that causes global >> warming.
> "It is a ill wind that blows nobody good". I am quite sure Mr. Bush > did this either out of incompetence or at the request of Exxon to help > their profits. That he did it to help global warming strikes me as > laughable from such as strong anti-environmentalist.
Well, they did, but $14 million, and it was for research, by corporations. So if the corporate researchers find something, they will patent it. Public wealth, private profits, the usual.
> It is probably his greatest achievement.
Maybe that will be his destroying the Repug party. If only he could take out the Repub-lite party too, he would be renown throughout time as the savior of democracy!
