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Raf

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Feb 13, 2007, 5:27:12 PM2/13/07

According to a Recent Zogby Poll, 40% of Americans now believe that
the Israeli Lobby was behind the War in Iraq and is behind the Coming
War

Looks like Americans are beginning to wake up. In another six months
this number will be up to 50%, by the end of the year, 75%. At that
point, the Zionist media will collapse and we may actually have peace
in our time.

Poll: Forty percent of American voters believe the Israel Lobby has
been a key factor in going to war in Iraq and now confronting Iran

[See source here]
http://www.cnionline.org/learn/polls/czandlobby/index2.htm

Frank Arthur

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Feb 13, 2007, 5:34:34 PM2/13/07

Israelis? Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites are murdering each other in Iraq
at 1000 a month. Iraqis are fleeing the country. And you Muslims are blaming
Israelis?
You Muslims have been killing each other since the 7 th Century including
a million dead in a war between Iraq & Iran!

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strabo

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:03:58 PM2/13/07

Frank Arthur wrote:
> Israelis? Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites are murdering each other in Iraq
> at 1000 a month. Iraqis are fleeing the country. And you Muslims are blaming
> Israelis?
> You Muslims have been killing each other since the 7 th Century including
> a million dead in a war between Iraq & Iran!
>

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Many of the key organisations in the 'Lobby', such as the
American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Conference of
Presidents of Major Jewish Organisations, are run by hardliners who
generally support the Likud Party’s expansionist policies, including its
hostility to the Oslo peace process. The bulk of US Jewry, meanwhile, is
more inclined to make concessions to the Palestinians, and a few groups
– such as Jewish Voice for Peace – strongly advocate such steps. Despite
these differences, moderates and hardliners both favor supporting
Israel.

The Zionists and Neocons have long promoted Israeli expansion
in the Middle East. The destruction of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan,
and Lebanon, are high on their hit list. To this end, AIPAC is one
of the tools used to pressure politicians and bankers.

Check the Project For A New American Century as well as the
writings of Podhoretz and Kristol for further detail.

Challenging the Power of the Jewish Lobby: What Should Be Done?

By James Petras Sep 26, 2006,

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23087.shtml

A number of writers have recently written critical articles or reviews
about the power of the pro-Israel or Jewish Lobby and its influence on
US policy in the Middle East. Most of these writings emphasize the
power of the lobby over Congress, the two major parties (especially
the Democrats) and the Executive branch. Some even describe the pro-
Israel lobbies and the allied Jewish federations, the numerous
propaganda institutes described as `think tanks', publications as well
as their influence or control over the mass media, from Hollywood, the
print media, television to corporate "public" radio. However these
critics and analysts paint themselves into a corner, attributing to
the Jewish lobby so much power as to virtually incapacitate any effort
to counter its influence and change the direction of US policy. The
image of a near-omniscient and omnipotent Jewish lobby overlooks its
vulnerability and significant issues around which an opposition or
counter-hegemonic movement can be organized in the United States.

A starting point for building such a movement in some cases already
exists in single issue campaigns; in other instances, some of the
critical reports on the actions and behavior of the Lobby can become
rallying points for organizing and pressing for new legislation and
improving legislative restraints on Lobby activities.

What Should be Done: 18 Points of Action

Pressure can be exerted to force the Pro-Israel lobby to register as
an agent of a foreign power. There is an abundance of evidence based
on public documents, observation, testimony, interviews which
demonstrate that the leaders of the Lobby take orders from the Israeli
government, serve as transmission belts of Israeli policies into the
US, formulate the legislation for the US Congress based on Israeli
priorities, coordinate and transmit information from the US government
to the Israeli government and have even engaged in espionage in the US
for the Israeli secret police (Mossad). If for example AIPAC is
obligated to register as an agent of a foreign power, it can be
expected that a substantial number of its members/supporters will
resign or withdraw, and big contributors will hold back funding,
weakening the activist and financial base of the Lobby. Secondly,
other members of the pro-Israel coalition will balk at allying with an
agency of a foreign power. Thirdly, elected and appointed officials
will be more hesitant to follow the lead or share the platform of an
organization identified with a foreign government because of the
possible legal implications or at least unfavorable publicity.

Organize a campaign to withdraw investments in US companies which
supply the Israeli regime with weapons of mass destruction,
construction equipment to extend Israeli colonization of Palestine.
The boycott should include targeting military industries which
contribute to Lobby controlled "think tanks", State and Union pension
funds which invest in Israeli Bonds should be pressured to reallocate
to productive industries and social services which create jobs and
health benefits for Americans.

Create a data bank on all the key political officials who have long-
standing, primary commitments to the state of Israel and who have
collaborated with the pro-Israeli lobby. This data bank can focus on
the role of the Zionist power configuration engaged in harnessing US
policy to Israel's expansionist policies. The data bank can list all
the major pieces of legislation fashioned by the Lobby for Israel; the
total sum of US grants, and guaranteed loans, technological transfers
secured for Israel through the Lobby; the number of junkets and visits
organized by the Lobby for policymakers. In addition, information
should be collected on all levels of "consultation" between key lobby
leaders, religious notables, and international Zionist organizations
and the Israeli state. The "information bank" can provide the bases
for demonstrating how the Lobby serves Israeli foreign policy,
distorts US domestic and overseas priorities and contributes to
silencing and undermining internal democratic debate. In other words,
the anti-Lobby campaign can be an important part of the battle of
ideas, and engage in the struggle to throw off foreign tutelage, and
regain our freedom to openly discuss the role of Israel and the Lobby
in US politics.

Support the worldwide boycott against scholarly and academic exchanges
with Israeli counterparts and institutes which uphold and participate
in the colonization and repression of the Palestinians. In
particular, psychologists and psychiatrists should pressure their
association to reject all Israeli counterparts who engage in
interrogation (usually accompanied by torture) of political prisoners.

Legislation should be passed barring individuals who hold dual-
citizenship (Israeli-US), especially those connected with the
military-intelligence networks from holding sensitive positions in the
government or controlling the political party nomination process, as
is now the case of the Democratic Party. Numerous cases have emerged
of Israeli-US citizens in the high tech field who have direct access
to software affecting US national security, as well as high Pentagon
officials with `dual citizenship' promoting policies favorable to
Israel at great cost in lives and money to the US.

Organize to eliminate Israel's special privileges in tax exemption,
trade, technology, and citizenship which burdens US taxpayers,
increases Israeli competitiveness at the expense of US producers and
facilitates Israeli emigration at the expense of other groups. Above
all, demand the elimination or drastic reduction of Israel's $3
billion plus foreign aid and $10 billion in guaranteed loans a country
with a $21,000 per capita income. The funds which cover over 40% of
the total US foreign aid packages, should be spent in covering health
care for the 45 million US citizens who lack coverage, or at least
allocated to countries in Africa, Latin America, and Asia whose per
capita income is below $1000 dollars a year.

Support efforts to end the US embargo on goods, services and financial
assistance to Palestine, recognize the democratically elected Hamas
government. Join with European Parliamentarians, Lebanese and most
Middle Eastern governments and the great majority of the Third World
in recognizing Hezbollah as a legitimate electoral party and social
movement in Lebanon. Here as in many other issues, the Lobby and its
supporters are a small minority in the international community of
nations and world public opinion. Through their dominance of US
policy on Lebanon and Palestine, the Lobby has contributed to the
isolation of the US, provoked the ire of all the mainline humanitarian
groups and given credence to the world communities' belief that
Washington is a handmaiden of Israeli policy-makers.

Raise the issues of bringing Israeli officials to the International
War Crimes Tribunal, or to criminal courts on charges of violating the
Geneva Conventions and the protocols of the Nuremberg Tribunal. By
having criminal charges in various courts of justice, Israeli military
and civilian war criminals will be reluctant to travel abroad for fear
of arrest. Likewise civil suits can be initiated to impound Israeli
bank accounts and assets to pay war reparations to Lebanese civilians
for the 15,000 homes destroyed and for damages exceeding $10 billion
dollars. Families of assassinated civilian victims and UN peace
keepers should be encouraged to seek compensation in the United States
as well as in their own national courts.

Convert the issue of the US-Israeli claim of nuclear dangers resulting
from Iranian uranium enrichment into a more consequential and general
demand to turn the entire Middle East into a nuclear free zone. Thus
highlights the fact that Israeli possession of at least 300 nuclear
bombs is the outstanding threat to nuclear war in the Middle East and
elsewhere. The Lobby's campaign against Iran is directed toward
maintaining Israeli's monopoly of nuclear weapons as an instrument to
intimidate any challenges to its expansionist goals.

Call for the International Atomic Energy Commission and other UN
nuclear inspection organizations to investigate charges that Israel is
manufacturing and storing nuclear bombs, and chemical and biological
weapons contrary to the non-proliferation agreement. The Lobby will
clearly be on the defensive, having to defend Israel's deception and
secrecy regarding weapons of mass destruction.

Organize boycotts and campaigns to demand that local, regional, and
national mass media outlets report and interview Israeli critics as
well as its spokespeople. Propose debates, round tables, and forums
which include Israeli critics as well as its spokespeople; file legal
suits against Jewish lobbyists making libelous accusations of "anti-
semitism" against informed critics who suffer loss of career
appointments or promotions. Organize legal teams to challenge the
impunity of the vicious slanderers and perpetrators of hate crimes
among pro-Israel ideologues.

Demand that newscasters, analysts, and commentators dealing with
Middle Eastern issues have their organizational and political
affiliations clearly identified. This will help focus the public on
the extraordinary one-sided pro-Israeli bias in the media and weaken a
key propaganda arm of the Lobby.

Legislation should be supported which bars individuals with dual
citizenship and therefore dual loyalties from holding executive or
legislative positions in the government. As we have seen, numerous
top policymakers with a strong commitment to Israeli interests lead
our country to disastrous Middle Eastern wars.

Support legislation revoking the citizenship of individuals who enlist
or engage in military activity for a foreign government. The Lobby
sends thousands of US Jews to Israel to engage in civilian and
"security" activities alongside and integrated with IDF soldiers,
creating "returnees" fully indoctrinated into Israel's militarist
worldview.

One of the vehicles used by the Lobby to influence or buy the loyalty
of legislators and US officials are paid junkets to Israel, where they
are indoctrinated and propagandized by a bevy of Israeli politicians,
and advocates of the Zionist state. Legislation to outlaw paid
propaganda and vote buying junkets came before Congress but was
stopped largely through the efforts of the Jewish Lobby. Clearly this
is an area where corruption and foreign control over our foreign
policy converge and is strongly susceptible to a campaign to moralize
public policy.

Since 9/11, hundreds of suspected Israeli spies have been deported,
and several Lobbyists, US military and government officials have been
charged with spying for Israel. Yet no public statements or media
exposure has resulted. Campaigns should demand equal treatment and
publicity of Israeli spies with non-Israeli operatives. Israeli
handlers operating out of their Embassy should be named and arrested,
instead of allowing easy exits, as is currently practiced.

Legislation should be presented and veterans' groups of all wars
should be mobilized to demand Congressional hearings on the Israeli
bombing of the US surveillance ship Liberty with prime witnesses among
our naval survivors. The Commission should investigate the subsequent
cover up by the Johnson Administration and the role of the Lobby.

Support political parties and candidates who oppose Israel's
occupation of Palestine, its $3 billion dollar annual aid package and
the Lobby's pro-war Mid East agenda. Support a pro-American policy of
anti-colonialism, conversion of Israeli billion dollar handouts into
rebuilding de-industrialized regions in the US and eschewing military
intervention in the Middle East either for Israeli or imperial
interests.

Conclusion

Can we stop the Lobby's efforts to force Americas' hand and pressure
our government into sending more of our soldiers to the Middle East to
die for Greater Israel? Yes - but it most obviously won't be easy
because of the big money that flows into the Congressional troughs,
the terrible mass media bias and the cowardice of many of our
political opinion-makers. But a start has been made. Leading
military officials, active and retired, have opposed the Zioncon
policymakers in the Pentagon, State Department and Congress. Leading
religious institutes like the Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Church of
Christ, as well as high Church officials in the Greek Orthodox,
Catholic, and Protestant Church have forcefully criticized Israel's
human rights record and have supported various types of boycotts.

Major trade unions in Canada (public sector union in Ontario - CUPE),
South Africa, and in the European Union and Middle East have expressed
opposition to Israeli ethnic cleansing and militarism. University
teachers, led by British and Irish educators, are supporting a boycott
of Israeli scholars and institutes collaborating with the Israeli
regime. Even within the United States, despite the Lobby's propaganda
campaigns, a majority of US citizens did not support Israel's bombing
of Lebanon and no longer support the Lobby engineered US war in Iraq.

Opposition and collaboration with the Israel Lobby cuts across the
ideological spectrum. Opponents of the Lobby's dominant role in
shaping US-Mid East policy in favor of Israel have provoked the ire of
numerous traditional conservative writers, politicians and military
officials as well as a substantial number of democrats, pacifists,
leftists, Greens, mainline Christian churches, and grassroots
Democrats. Support for the Lobby includes the leadership of both
major parties, all the mainstream Jewish organization and religious
bodies, most liberal Jews, and non-Jews, as well as the neo-
conservatives, media moguls, and fundamentalist Christian Zionists.

Two momentous issues out in what is a major test of forces: war or
peace in the Middle East and the question of who rules America? The
Lobby, in and out of the Executive branch and Congress, was
instrumental in pushing us into the Iraq war. They are the leading
pressure group propelling us into a war with Iran - a war which will
ignite major confrontation throughout the Middle East and military
attacks in the West, putting our security in jeopardy and provoking a
major oil and energy crisis, that will likely lead to a major
recession.

The Lobby's war-making powers exceed those of any elected body as they
are constituted today because of the terrible fear that elected
officials and opinion makers have of the Lobby's retaliatory,
political thuggery.

The second major issue we as American citizens face is the loss of
control over our own political process; the power of the Lobby is at
the unconditional service of the Israeli state; what Israel dictates
the Lobby pursues through its network of several hundred thousand
activists and hundreds of millions in cash flow. Those of us who
stand up for Americans' right to decide its own policies in the Middle
East free of Israeli-Lobby intervention, are faced with the challenge
of taking back our freedom to choose. The freedom to choose who and
what we support in the Middle East without facing political,
financial, or social retribution, slander or public ostracism. We the
strongest military and economic power have been politically and
culturally colonized. Like other national liberation movements, we
must struggle to free ourselves from the tyranny of Israel over our
politics in the Middle East. In the 1950's we faced McCarthyite anti-
communism as a ruse to propel us into World War Three. Today we face
the slander of Zionist anti-semitism as a ruse to propel us into a new
world war against Islamic nations and states who oppose Israeli
expansion.

Just as a broad coalition from the left to the Secretary of the Army
defeated McCarthyism in the 1950's and led to détente in the 1970's so
too a similar coalition today can defeat the Israeli Lobby's war
policies and lead to our self-determination and national dignity in
pursuit of a democratic foreign policy.

Gird your loans, empty your bladder, this is going to be one hell of a
fight - no holds barred.

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>> According to a Recent Zogby Poll, 40% of Americans now believe that
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Frank Arthur

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:40:57 PM2/13/07

"strabo" <str...@flashlight.net> wrote in message
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> Frank Arthur wrote:
>> Israelis? Muslim Sunnis and Muslim Shiites are murdering each other in
>> Iraq
>> at 1000 a month. Iraqis are fleeing the country. And you Muslims are
>> blaming Israelis?
>> You Muslims have been killing each other since the 7 th Century including
>> a million dead in a war between Iraq & Iran!
>>
>
> One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Are you for real?

Muslims are killing each other. Muslims are killing Westerners who are
fighting for their Islamic countries.
Muslims have bombed the USA and killed 3,000 Americans. Muslims are
threatening to destroy
American interests worldwide. And you tell me "One thing has nothing to do
with the other"!

Frank Arthur

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:50:00 PM2/13/07

The poll was done by an anti-Israeli pro Palestinian group!

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Notan

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:56:57 PM2/13/07

Frank Arthur wrote:
> The poll was done by an anti-Israeli pro Palestinian group!

>snip>

C'mon, Frank. If you're going to bring accurate, unbiased data
into this thread, you're going to be asked to leave. <g>

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Notan

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Feb 13, 2007, 7:11:45 PM2/13/07

"Raf" <yaxc...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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>
>

> According to a Recent Zogby Poll, 40% of Americans now believe that
> the Israeli Lobby was behind the War in Iraq and is behind the Coming
> War

That conclusion is not warranted by the link given below. The link shows
only 39% of Americans either agreeing strongly or merely somewhat agreeing
that the Israeli lobby was a "key factor for going to war in Iraq and now
confronting Iran." That would be consistent with the percentage of crazies
out there.

There is nothing in the poll question about a coming "War" with Iran. And
you failed to report that 40% (apparently rounded off) of respondents
disagreed with the statement. In other words, more Americans disagreed than
agreed. As usual, being a Demoncrap, you lied.

> Looks like Americans are beginning to wake up. In another six months
> this number will be up to 50%, by the end of the year, 75%. At that
> point, the Zionist media will collapse and we may actually have peace
> in our time.

Think you can sell the stupid fools even more Demoncrap/Jihadist lies, huh?

Frank Arthur

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Feb 13, 2007, 7:13:43 PM2/13/07

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Backgrounder: The Council for the National Interest (CNI)

Posted: December 19, 2006

The Council for the National Interest (CNI) is an anti-Israel
organization which is opposed to U.S. aid to Israel and disseminates
demonizing propaganda about Israel to academics, politicians, and other
audiences.

In a December 2006 solicitation letter, CNI stated that "despite
Congress's repeated attempts to characterize Hamas as an anti-Christian
terrorist organization, the fact is that Hamas has just announced that they
will give [money] for Bethlehem's Christmas celebration." It followed
similar statements in support of the Palestinian terror organization and
several meetings in the Middle East earlier in 2006 between CNI
representatives and key leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, including Khaled
Mishal and Hassan Nasrallah, as well as Syrian president Bashar Assad.

CNI has run inflammatory anti-Israel ads in major national newspapers
since 2002. In an ad that it published in the New York Times on November 5,
2006, it blamed Israel for the war in Iraq and accused the "Israel Lobby" of
trying to of push the U.S. into a new military confrontation with Iran. The
ad included a cartoon in which the "Israel Lobby" is depicted as a crooked
used cars salesman and the U.S. as its gullible customer.

Previous CNI ads have described Israel's founding in 1948 as a time
when Israel "rejected, uprooted, tortured, maimed and expelled" the
Palestinian population; have described Israel as a state that promotes
"discrimination and apartheid"; and have called for Israel to be "held
accountable" for "espionage and covert operations against the U.S.," and for
its "development of weapons of mass destruction." CNI also claims that
Israel is responsible for "metastasiz[ing] terror around the world," and for
"acts of aggression, provocation, and massive retaliation" against
neighboring Arab states.

In a widely circulated 2003 article, "Liberating America from Israel,"
CNI founding chairman Paul Findley, a member of CNI's board of directors,
blamed America's relationship with Israel for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
"Nine-eleven would not have occurred," Findley wrote, "if the U.S.
government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian
society." He continued, "America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath and may
soon be at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East is
made in Israel, not in Washington."

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