Is McCain a WAR HERO or a WAR CRIMINAL?
Simpson
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Simpson
>> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
> And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>
Bite me
wby...@ireland.com
I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
about Kerry.
WB Yeats
Simpson
Hey... wait a minute!
That implies that I lied about McCain.
Even McCain admits to being a War Criminal:
"It's a difficult thing to say. But now that I've seen what the bombs
and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I'm not so sure that I
want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam."
Steven L.
I don't take anything at face value.
But those media clips of young Kerry calling our soldiers in Vietnam
"war criminals" who acted like "Genghis Khan" (his words, not mine)
weren't faked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE&feature=related
Thanks to YouTube, you lefties can run but you can't hide.
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Simpson
> wby...@ireland.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:37 -0800 (PST), Anonymous Infidel - the
>> anti-political talking head <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>>> And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>> I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
>> about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
>> about Kerry.
>
> I don't take anything at face value.
>
> But those media clips of young Kerry calling our soldiers in Vietnam
> "war criminals" who acted like "Genghis Khan" (his words, not mine)
> weren't faked.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE&feature=related
>
> Thanks to YouTube, you lefties can run but you can't hide.
>
>
(pssst... John Kerry is not running for president)
But don't tell anyone I told you....
wby...@ireland.com
Beep - wrong. Forget all the crap. Either Democratic nominee can beat
McCain hands down.
WB Yeats
wby...@ireland.com
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>wby...@ireland.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:37 -0800 (PST), Anonymous Infidel - the
>> anti-political talking head <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>>
>>> And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>>
>> I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
>> about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
>> about Kerry.
>
>I don't take anything at face value.
>
>But those media clips of young Kerry calling our soldiers in Vietnam
>"war criminals" who acted like "Genghis Khan" (his words, not mine)
>weren't faked.
Of course they weren't faked. And he, myself, and tons of other folks
have things which they said in haste in their youth that are now much
regretted. That wasn't the incident to which I referred - it was the
jerks who claimed that Kerry was basically a coward and deserved none
of his medals. But feel free to play in the sewer with the rest of the
lowlifes on both sides. Go ahead - slosh around in it - the smell
doesn't get any better.
WB Yeats
Eddie Haskell
<wby...@ireland.com> wrote in message
news:b9l9r355cadqm8eq4...@4ax.com...
Uhmm.. No, Kerry actually did take a shit on his comrades in arms based
hearsay to attain notoriety so as to launch his political career..
And he deserved everything got.
Poetic justice that it cost him the presidency.
-Eddie haskell
Eddie Haskell
"Simpson" <dos-...@epoxy.com> wrote in message
news:W15tj.1704$fX7...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
Pssst.. WB Yeats brought it up in the first place, shit-for-brains.
-Eddie Haskell
spammer
>>
> Of course they weren't faked. And he, myself, and tons of other folks
> have things which they said in haste in their youth that are now much
> regretted. That wasn't the incident to which I referred - it was the
> jerks who claimed that Kerry was basically a coward and deserved none
> of his medals.
Kerry is and was a coward. He didn't deserve his medals.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
be easily swayed into not voting for Kerry because of a lil
commercial? [People are a hell of alot smarter than you give them
credit for]
wby...@ireland.com
wrote:
According to you - the official village idiot. At least he had the
balls to go - unlike the curent WH eunuch.
WB Yeats
Eddie Haskell
<wby...@ireland.com> wrote in message
news:ben9r3dcls9ca3njb...@4ax.com...
Ohh, so it was only youthful indiscretion that he took a shit on his
comrades in arms for political gain. Just as three purple hearts for rich
yacht boy in as many months as a ticket out of VN was all legitimate?
Fuckin' hilarious!!
-Eddie Haskell
wby...@ireland.com
anti-political talking head <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Feb 14, 3:57 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:37 -0800 (PST), Anonymous Infidel - the
>> anti-political talking head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>> >And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>>
>> I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
>> about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
>> about Kerry.
>Do you seriously believe that people were simple/stupid/etc enough to
>be easily swayed into not voting for Kerry because of a lil
>commercial?
You mean the one that was chock full of lies? You mean the commercial
that the Rightards swallowed hook, line, and anchor?
>People are a hell of alot smarter than you give them
>credit for]
Well some are - and some aren't. We'll place you in the latter
category.
WB Yeats
spammer
>>
> According to you - the official village idiot. At least he had the
> balls to go - unlike the curent WH eunuch.
>
> WB Yeats
Oh please, he was dragged kicking and screaming for his mommy.
"Had the balls to go", that's funny.
Doug Reese
> On Feb 14, 7:38 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Of course they weren't faked. And he, myself, and tons of other folks
> > have things which they said in haste in their youth that are now much
> > regretted. That wasn't the incident to which I referred - it was the
> > of his medals.
>
> Kerryis and was a coward. He didn't deserve his medals.
According to whom -- you? The guys who were with him, with very few
exceptions (and with no exceptions for the Silver Star), didn't have a
problem with his medals, who are you to say otherwise?
And as for him being a coward, well, that's just laughable, downright
laughable. It also shows how much you know on the subject, from that
comment and the one about the medals -- apparently not much.
Doug Reese
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> >> >And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>
> >> I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
> >> about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
> >> about Kerry.
> >Do you seriously believe that people were simple/stupid/etc enough to
> >be easily swayed into not voting for Kerry because of a lil
> >commercial?
>
> You mean the one that was chock full of lies? You mean the commercial
> that the Rightards swallowed hook, line, and anchor?
fascist...And like every elitist/fascist, you think everyone else is
stupid, easily duped, and only you(or people that agree with you) know
right.
>
> >People are a hell of alot smarter than you give them
> >credit for]
>
> Well some are - and some aren't. We'll place you in the latter
> category.
fascist) is subhuman.
wby...@ireland.com
anti-political talking head <messi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>> >> >And just when you think troll can't get any lower....
>>
>> >> I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
>> >> about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
>> >> about Kerry.
>> >Do you seriously believe that people were simple/stupid/etc enough to
>> >be easily swayed into not voting for Kerry because of a lil
>> >commercial?
>>
>> You mean the one that was chock full of lies? You mean the commercial
>> that the Rightards swallowed hook, line, and anchor?
>Note: It was a rhetorical question...We all know you libs are elitist/
>fascist...And like every elitist/fascist, you think everyone else is
>stupid, easily duped, and only you(or people that agree with you) know
>right.
Not everyone - mainly you.
>> >People are a hell of alot smarter than you give them
>> >credit for]
>>
>> Well some are - and some aren't. We'll place you in the latter
>> category.
>Of course, anyone that doesn't walk lock step with you(elitist/
>fascist) is subhuman.
Nope - but you continue to qualify. Elitist/fascist? Again, my
tortoise is elite compared to AI - you can keep the fascist part - it
just can't get its legs high enough to do the goose stepping.
WB Yeats
wby...@ireland.com
wrote:
>On Feb 14, 10:30 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
Apparently yours were removed years ago. Sing a good falsetto now do
you? Hint:Kerry wasn't drafted, dork.
WB Yeats
Obadiah
To quote Steppenwolf: " We don't know how to mind our own buisness,
cause the whole world's got to be just like US, and now we are
fighting a war over there, and no matter who wins, you know we can't
pay the cost, cause there's a monster on the loose, it's got our heads
in a noose, and it just sits there a watching."
RetroProphet
Obadiah says...
>
>
>To quote Steppenwolf: " We don't know how to mind our own buisness,
>cause the whole world's got to be just like US, and now we are
>fighting a war over there, and no matter who wins, you know we can't
>pay the cost, cause there's a monster on the loose, it's got our heads
>in a noose, and it just sits there a watching."
What is the "monster" according to the song?
What is the "monster" according to you?
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Steppenwolf's songwriter needs a soul transfusion to help him with his
moral paralysis.
-----------------
Those who believe in nothing, will fall for everything. - Alexander
Hamilton
RetroProphet
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head says...
>
>Yea, If we followed this we would all be drinking Rhine wine.
>
>Steppenwolf's songwriter needs a soul transfusion to help him with his
>moral paralysis.
>
Brilliant analysis...WWII was just like Vietnam.
Good thing protest songs like this had no effect on
the outcome of Vietnam...we'd all be drinking rice wine...
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
> >Steppenwolf's songwriter needs a soul transfusion to help him with his
> >moral paralysis.
>
> Brilliant analysis...WWII was just like Vietnam.
were discussing the whole idea of "go along get along" where countries
just turn a blind eye to everything they see. Hitler, Mao,
Stalin...They loved people that believed this bs.
>
> Good thing protest songs like this had no effect on
> the outcome of Vietnam...we'd all be drinking rice wine...
effects America had by pulling out of Vietnam. (millions murdered,
genocide, reeducation camps, region went to shit) Oh, but we did get
alot of good music, right?
John Manning
Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 revealed
that 5.1 million people died *during* Hanoi's conflict with the United
States.
Four million civilians died in the North and South. Total military
casualties were put at 1.1 million and 600,000 wounded. Hanoi concealed
the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
>
BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
How many are taken out and shoot today?
Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
you back...
John Manning
Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
Christopher Helms
torture the next. He voted against Chimps tax cuts and now he is for
them. One day he is John McCain and the next day he's Barry Goldwater.
Next week he could be Shirley Chisolm for all we know.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> > that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
> > how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
> > you back...
>
> Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
Doug Reese
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hanoi concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.
>
> Or maybe their just releasing made up numbers now as
> propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
It's more free and open than you apparently think.
The numbers I have heard are a bit lower than that (about 3 million)
but still in the millions.
> BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
> named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
Outside of the mass murder at Hue during Tet of 1968, do you have any
other examples of mass murders?
> How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
Actually, it's been 33 years since the war ended -- 1975 -- so that's
30 + years.
> How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
Please cite some examples.
> How many are taken out and shoot today?
You are bordering on statements that are made by someone who is either
woefully ignorant, or a nutcase with a keyboard.
> Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
I'm going for nutcase. The entire country, as of today, has a
population of about 85 million. At the end of the war it was about 32
milllion. Even the staunchest rightwing, anti-communist Vietnamese in
California would roll over laughing at your ridiculous claim of 20-30
million killed since 1975.
By the way, millions of people in Vietnam have phones and/or internet.
Whatever happens, therefore, can be spread throught the world in a
matter of seconds.
Doug Reese
John Manning
Vietnam today is a prosperous nation in which the USA has lots of
business interests. They are a valued trading partner. You're a hater
who's living in the past.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head wrote:
>
> >>> Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
> >>> that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
> >>> how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
> >>> you back...
> >> Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
> > Esentially, yes...That is what I'm telling you. I.E. if it's better
> > for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
> > should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
> > sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
>
> Vietnam today is a prosperous nation
>
> in which the USA has lots of
> business interests. They are a valued trading partner.
their prices the US would move someplace else.
>
> You're a hater who's living in the past.
the Vietnamese better of because the US pulled out their forces in
Vietnam? The answer is clearly no.
Docky Wocky
to his ass in islamic aligators, not to bother calling on his Yankee cousins
for help.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> On Feb 16, 6:11 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
>
> head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Hanoi concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.
>
> > Or maybe their just releasing made up numbers now as
> > propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
>
> It's more free and open than you apparently think.
>
> The numbers I have heard are a bit lower than that (about 3 million)
> but still in the millions.
>
> > BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
> > named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
>
> Outside of the mass murder at Hue during Tet of 1968, do you have any
> other examples of mass murders?
>
> > How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
>
> Actually, it's been 33 years since the war ended -- 1975 -- so that's
> 30 + years.
Oh and how long is their communist government going to be in power?
>
> > How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
> Please cite some examples.
It's called Google.
>
> > How many are taken out and shoot today?
>
> You are bordering on statements that are made by someone who is either
> woefully ignorant, or a nutcase with a keyboard.
No, I'm bordering on someone that knows how communist governments
work.
>
> > Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
>
> I'm going for nutcase.
Said the apologist.
>
> The entire country, as of today, has a
Learn to read, I was asking for how many people were killed in the
region after the withdrawel of American troops. 20-30 million isn't
far fetched.
>
> By the way, millions of people in Vietnam have phones and/or internet.
So does China(doesn't mean they are free).
>
> Whatever happens, therefore, can be spread throught the world in a
> matter of seconds.
And if they go to the wrong site(using a portal to get around
governments censorship) they can end up in jail/shoot. If they say the
wrong thing, they can end up in jail or shot. If they piss off the
wrong leader, they can end up in jail or shot.
John Manning
> On Feb 16, 5:54 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head wrote:
>>
>>>>> Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
>>>>> that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
>>>>> how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
>>>>> you back...
>>>> Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
>>> Esentially, yes...That is what I'm telling you. I.E. if it's better
>>> for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
>>> should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
>>> sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
>> Vietnam today is a prosperous nation
> So when are you moving there?
Crackpot.
>> in which the USA has lots of
>> business interests. They are a valued trading partner.
> BS, vietnam is one giant sweatshop...And if the Vietnamese raised
> their prices the US would move someplace else.
>> You're a hater who's living in the past.
> No, I could really care less. Remember though, the argument is, are
> the Vietnamese better of because the US pulled out their forces in
> Vietnam? The answer is clearly no.
Yeah, a real juvenile nutjob. Bye...
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head wrote:
>
> > On Feb 16, 5:54 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head wrote:
>
> >>>>> Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
> >>>>> that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
> >>>>> how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
> >>>>> you back...
> >>>> Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
> >>> Esentially, yes...That is what I'm telling you. I.E. if it's better
> >>> for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
> >>> should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
> >>> sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
> >> Vietnam today is a prosperous nation
> > So when are you moving there?
>
> What, and risk getting arrested and put in some gulag?!?!?!?.
Yea, I would have to be crazy to think you would practice what you
preach.
>
> >> in which the USA has lots of
> >> business interests. They are a valued trading partner.
> > BS, vietnam is one giant sweatshop...And if the Vietnamese raised
> > their prices the US would move someplace else.
> >> You're a hater who's living in the past.
> > No, I could really care less. Remember though, the argument is, are
> > the Vietnamese better of because the US pulled out their forces in
> > Vietnam? The answer is clearly no.
>
> Yeah, I agree...
So your message is: The Veitnamese are better off living under
communism(crushing poverty, sweatshops galore)...And your better off
living in Democracy wearing the stuff they made, right?
You sir, are one sry bigot.
RetroProphet
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head says...
>
>>
>> You're a hater who's living in the past.
>>
>No, I could really care less. Remember though, the argument is, are
>the Vietnamese better of because the US pulled out their forces in
>Vietnam? The answer is clearly no.
>
Your question is a loaded one based on the erroneous
premise that the Americans were *seriously* fighting
the Vietnam War in order to save the Vietnamese from
communism.
Vietnam was a showcase war for the U.S. meant entirely
to demonstrate to its allies at a comfortable distance
that it had their backs -- it was the chosen limited
"hot war" that allowed the maintainance of the alliance
structure constructed by the Americans after WW2.
That was its only and entire purpose.
The pretense that it was all done for a moral imperative
goal of "saving" the Vietnamese is ludicrous. The U.S. was
merely pursuing the war as a necessary part of a broader
geopolitical strategy that had nothing to do with the
particulars of the war -- the total war that would have
been necessary to defeat the North Vietnamese was always
possible but was never even seriously considered for
implementation because total war made no sense in light
of the goals the U.S. actually had for engaging in the war.
War protests at home were not responsible for "hampering"
a "victory" -- "victory" was never part of the strategy
to begin with.
So, the answer to your question of whether the Vietnamese
were better off because the Americans pulled out is
"absolutely" -- what can possibly be worse than being
a geopolitical pawn that is being relentlessly bombed
by the most powerful army on earth?
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
wrote:
> In article <224563c8-3d0b-4ca5-bdff-dae42447d...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head says...
>
>
>
> >> You're a hater who's living in the past.
>
> >No, I could really care less. Remember though, the argument is, are
> >the Vietnamese better of because the US pulled out their forces in
> >Vietnam? The answer is clearly no.
>
> Your question is a loaded one based on the erroneous
> premise that the Americans were *seriously* fighting
> the Vietnam War in order to save the Vietnamese from
> communism.
>
<snip moronic bs>
> So, the answer to your question of whether the Vietnamese
> were better off because the Americans pulled out is
> "absolutely"
so good.
>
> what can possibly be worse than being
> a geopolitical pawn that is being relentlessly bombed
> by the most powerful army on earth?
3rd world Vietnam vs 1st world Korea....Nuff said.
Doug Reese
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 16, 1:03 am,Doug Reese<dre...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 6:11 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
>
> > head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Hanoi concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.
>
> > > Or maybe their just releasing made up numbers now as
> > > propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
>
> > It's more free and open than you apparently think.
> Not really.
>
> > The numbers I have heard are a bit lower than that (about 3 million)
> > but still in the millions.
> Who knows.
>
> > > BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
> > > named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
>
> > Outside of the mass murder at Hue during Tet of 1968, do you have any
> > other examples of mass murders?
>
> Do you have a computer that works with Google?
Yes. Thanks for the non-answer.
> > > How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
>
> > Actually, it's been 33 years since the war ended -- 1975 -- so that's
> > 30 + years.
>
> When did the war start?
It doesn't appear you are talking about since the war started, but
when it ended.
> Oh and how long is their communist government going to be in power?
Beats me.
By the way, "crushing poverty" isn't quite the correct description of
the current state of the-way-things-are in Vietnam today. If you took
your blinders off, you might know that.
> > > How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
> > Please cite some examples.
> It's called Google.
In otherwords, you can't cite any.
> > > How many are taken out and shoot today?
>
> > You are bordering on statements that are made by someone who is either
> > woefully ignorant, or a nutcase with a keyboard.
>
> No, I'm bordering on someone that knows how communist governments
> work.
>
> > > Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
>
> > I'm going for nutcase.
> Said the apologist.
Said someone who has at least a slight clue.
> > The entire country, as of today, has a
>
> Learn to read, I was asking for how many people were killed in the
> region after the withdrawel of American troops. 20-30 million isn't
> far fetched.
The region? I don't see any references to anywhere except Vietnam. But
even if you toss in Loas and Cambodia, that number is still far
fetched.
> > By the way, millions of people in Vietnam have phones and/or internet.
>
> So does China(doesn't mean they are free).
That doesn't change the truth of my comment.
> > Whatever happens, therefore, can be spread throught the world in a
> > matter of seconds.
>
> And if they go to the wrong site(using a portal to get around
> governments censorship) they can end up in jail/shoot. If they say the
> wrong thing, they can end up in jail or shot. If they piss off the
> wrong leader, they can end up in jail or shot.
Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
portal -- just one.
You can't, as such a thing has never happened.
Doug Reese
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Doug Reese
Well, there are about 80,000 foreigners living in Vietnam today, and I
don't recall a single one of them dying from this "crushing poverty"
you seem to think is so prevalent.
And this "sweatshop lifestyle", well, what exactly is that?
Doug Reese
Obadiah
wrote:
> In article <41e76292-ac52-4356-b2ab-07993f7f6...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
The Monster is the stupid American ego that thinks " ...the whole
world's got to be just like us..." and goes to war to enforce it.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
> > > > Or maybe their just releasing made up numbers now as
> > > > propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
>
> > > It's more free and open than you apparently think.
> > Not really.
>
> > > The numbers I have heard are a bit lower than that (about 3 million)
> > > but still in the millions.
> > Who knows.
>
> > > > BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
> > > > named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
>
> > > Outside of the mass murder at Hue during Tet of 1968, do you have any
> > > other examples of mass murders?
>
> > Do you have a computer that works with Google?
>
> Yes. Thanks for the non-answer.
>
> > > > How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
>
> > > Actually, it's been 33 years since the war ended -- 1975 -- so that's
> > > 30 + years.
>
> > When did the war start?
>
> It doesn't appear you are talking about since the war started, but
> when it ended.
extended by the US's pullout).
>
> > Oh and how long is their communist government going to be in power?
>
> Beats me.
people into the ground.
>
> By the way, "crushing poverty" isn't quite the correct description
>
> of the current state of the-way-things-are in Vietnam today.
people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>
> If you took your blinders off, you might know that.
>
> > > > How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
> > > Please cite some examples.
> > It's called Google.
>
> In otherwords, you can't cite any.
>
> > > > How many are taken out and shoot today?
>
> > > You are bordering on statements that are made by someone who is either
> > > woefully ignorant, or a nutcase with a keyboard.
>
> > No, I'm bordering on someone that knows how communist governments
> > work.
>
> > > > Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
>
> > > I'm going for nutcase.
> > Said the apologist.
>
> Said someone who has at least a slight clue.
>
> > > The entire country, as of today, has a
>
> > Learn to read, I was asking for how many people were killed in the
> > region after the withdrawel of American troops. 20-30 million isn't
> > far fetched.
>
> The region? I don't see any references to anywhere except Vietnam.
<quote>
Yea, that would be real funny if you didn't realize all the negative
effects America had by pulling out of Vietnam. (millions murdered,
genocide, reeducation camps, region went to shit)
>
> But even if you toss in Loas and Cambodia, that number is still far
> fetched.
wrong> But we will never know because, like I said, it's a closed
country.
>
> > > By the way, millions of people in Vietnam have phones and/or internet.
>
> > So does China(doesn't mean they are free).
>
> That doesn't change the truth of my comment.
sentences for looking at stuff about democracy?
Note: Everyone sees the truth of your comments....Most of all the
VIetnamese rotting in jail because they said or did something you take
for granted(and support them being deprived of).
>
> > > Whatever happens, therefore, can be spread throught the world in a
> > > matter of seconds.
>
> > And if they go to the wrong site(using a portal to get around
> > governments censorship) they can end up in jail/shoot. If they say the
> > wrong thing, they can end up in jail or shot. If they piss off the
> > wrong leader, they can end up in jail or shot.
>
> Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
> portal -- just one.
Why would a communist country post such data?
>
> You can't, as such a thing has never happened.
How do you know?
Seriously, are we(not including your apologist ass) supposed to take
the word of people that will give someone 12 years(if he is lucky it
will just be 12 years) in a gulag for using the web.
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4676
Note: If he wasn't well known we probably wouldn't have even heard of
it. He would just have been quietly silenced or jailed for life.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Doug Reese
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hanoi concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.
>
> > > > > Or maybe their just releasing made up numbers now as
> > > > > propaganda...Since it's not a free and open country, who knows?
>
> > > > It's more free and open than you apparently think.
> > > Not really.
>
> > > > The numbers I have heard are a bit lower than that (about 3 million)
> > > > but still in the millions.
> > > Who knows.
>
> > > > > BTW, since we are going that route, how many died in the conditions I
> > > > > named(reeducation camps, genocides, mass-murders, etc, etc)?
>
> > > > Outside of the mass murder at Hue during Tet of 1968, do you have any
> > > > other examples of mass murders?
>
> > > Do you have a computer that works with Google?
>
> > Yes. Thanks for the non-answer.
>
> Only be true...If your to stupid to use google.
You claim mass muders, therefore you should be the one proving your
claim.
Your inability to do so speaks volumes for your credibility.
> > > > > How many died in the 50+ years of crushing poverty that followed?
>
> > > > Actually, it's been 33 years since the war ended -- 1975 -- so that's
> > > > 30 + years.
>
> > > When did the war start?
>
> > It doesn't appear you are talking about since the war started, but
> > when it ended.
>
> We were talking about how long they were living in poverty(which was
> extended by the US's pullout).
>
> > > Oh and how long is their communist government going to be in power?
>
> > Beats me.
>
> It will be in power as long as it takes to run the country and its
> people into the ground.
The country has been on the upswing for something like 20 years. It's
getting better year-by-year.
> > By the way, "crushing poverty" isn't quite the correct description
> Yea, it is.
>
> > of the current state of the-way-things-are inVietnamtoday.
>
> The current state ofVietnamis that commie leaders are using their
> people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
> anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
Bullshit.
> > If you took your blinders off, you might know that.
>
> So why don't you live there?
I do. I am there now.
If you knew how to use Google you would know that.
> > > > > How many were taken out and shoot during this time?
> > > > Please cite some examples.
> > > It's called Google.
>
> > In otherwords, you can't cite any.
>
> So your confirming that your to dumb to use google?
You made the claim, you back it up.
Can't back it up? Didn't happen.
> > > > > How many are taken out and shoot today?
>
> > > > You are bordering on statements that are made by someone who is either
> > > > woefully ignorant, or a nutcase with a keyboard.
>
> > > No, I'm bordering on someone that knows how communist governments
> > > work.
>
> > > > > Whats the total? 20 million? 30 million?
>
> > > > I'm going for nutcase.
> > > Said the apologist.
>
> > Said someone who has at least a slight clue.
>
> About how to lie...Don't worry, nobody is buying your bs.
You have yet to show any lies, other than the ones from your mouth.
You constantly make claims that you can't prove.
> > > > The entire country, as of today, has a
>
> > > Learn to read, I was asking for how many people were killed in the
> > > region after the withdrawel of American troops. 20-30 million isn't
> > > far fetched.
>
> > The region? I don't see any references to anywhere exceptVietnam.
>
> learn to read.
> <quote>
> Yea, that would be real funny if you didn't realize all the negative
> effects America had by pulling out ofVietnam. (millions murdered,
> genocide, reeducation camps, region went to shit)
> </quote>
That's regarding Vietnam, not the region.
> > But even if you toss in Loas and Cambodia, that number is still far
> > fetched.
>
> <Ignoring the fact that I'm sure if I had the time I could prove you
> wrong> But we will never know because, like I said, it's a closed
> country.
Are you serious? As I said, there are 80,000 foreigners living here.
And on any given day there are thousands of tourists here. Closed
country? I don't think so.
> > > > By the way, millions of people inVietnamhave phones and/or internet.
>
> > > So does China(doesn't mean they are free).
>
> > That doesn't change the truth of my comment.
>
> Every country has phones/internet...How many of them carry jail
> sentences for looking at stuff about democracy?
>
> Note: Everyone sees the truth of your comments....Most of all the
> VIetnamese rotting in jail because they said or did something you take
> for granted(and support them being deprived of).
>
> > > > Whatever happens, therefore, can be spread throught the world in a
> > > > matter of seconds.
>
> > > And if they go to the wrong site(using a portal to get around
> > > governments censorship) they can end up in jail/shoot. If they say the
> > > wrong thing, they can end up in jail or shot. If they piss off the
> > > wrong leader, they can end up in jail or shot.
>
> > Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
> > portal -- just one.
>
> Why would a communist country post such data?
Even if they wouldn't, do you think no one would know about it if it
happened?
> > You can't, as such a thing has never happened.
>
> How do you know?
See my comment above.
> Seriously, are we(not including your apologist ass) supposed to take
> the word of people that will give someone 12 years(if he is lucky it
> will just be 12 years) in a gulag for using the web.http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4676
Thank you for the five year old article.
While I damn sure am not going to give this sorry-ass government a
thumbs-up for their overall performance, you are posting absolute
false statements about how it is over here.
You make statements even the anti-communist Vietnamese in California
would say are false.
> Note: If he wasn't well known we probably wouldn't have even heard of
> it. He would just have been quietly silenced or jailed for life.
Oh, I thought he would be shot. I mean, you seem to think people over
here are shot for a variety of crimes.
You really need to update you knowledge about Vietnam. This country is
far from perfect, but you don't seem to have a clue as to how it
really is over here.
Doug Reese
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2:37 pm, Doug Reese <dre...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 7:23 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
>
> > head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
> > > > > that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
> > > > > how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
> > > > > you back...
>
> > > > Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
>
> > > Esentially, yes...That is what I'm telling you. I.E. if it's better
> > > for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
> > > should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
> > > sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
>
> > don't recall a single one of them dying from this "crushing poverty"
> > you seem to think is so prevalent.
>
> > And this "sweatshop lifestyle", well, what exactly is that?
>
> Wahahahhahaha, yea...Your pulling the wool over everyones eyes.
Actually, I'm not.
You, on the other hand, are making one unsupported claim after
another.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> On Feb 17, 10:19 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
>
>
>
>
>
> head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 2:37 pm, Doug Reese <dre...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 16, 7:23 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
>
> > > head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Oh, and one last question....since they are so much better off with
> > > > > > that grand old communism, when are you going to move there? Imagine
> > > > > > how much better off you would be without the silly democracy holding
> > > > > > you back...
>
> > > > > Back up your claims with evidence, fella.
>
> > > > Esentially, yes...That is what I'm telling you. I.E. if it's better
> > > > for the Vietnamese to live under communism, as you imply...then you
> > > > should do good too. And if you fail and die from that crushing poverty/
> > > > sweatshop lifestyle, then we know your bs was just that...bs.
>
> > > Well, there are about 80,000 foreigners living inVietnamtoday, and I
> > > don't recall a single one of them dying from this "crushing poverty"
> > > you seem to think is so prevalent.
>
> > > And this "sweatshop lifestyle", well, what exactly is that?
>
>
> Actually, I'm not.
Because people are not as dumb as you would like to think.
>
> You, on the other hand, are making one unsupported claim after
> another.
closed communist country.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> claim.
North Korea.
>
> Your inability to do so speaks volumes for your credibility.
>
>
> The country has been on the upswing for something like 20 years. It's
> getting better year-by-year.
Population:
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.)
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.)
>
> > The current state ofVietnamis that commie leaders are using their
> > people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
> > anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>
> Bullshit.
Yea, deny the obvious...That will work.
>
> > > If you took your blinders off, you might know that.
> > So why don't you live there?
> I do. I am there now.
Then we all understand you not posting the truth.
>
> > <Ignoring the fact that I'm sure if I had the time I could prove you
> > wrong> But we will never know because, like I said, it's a closed
> > country.
>
> Are you serious? As I said, there are 80,000 foreigners living here.
> And on any given day there are thousands of tourists here.
Again, China has alot of tourist too.
>
> Closed country? I don't think so.
Your not allowed to.
>
> > > Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
> > > portal -- just one.
> > Why would a communist country post such data?
> Even if they wouldn't, do you think no one would know about it if it
> happened?
Do you think they would tell anyone and risk the same happening to
themselves?
>
> > > You can't, as such a thing has never happened.
> > How do you know?
> See my comment above.
Please, if your government took away one of your family members, if
they haven't already, you would be silent as a church mouse.
>
> > Seriously, are we(not including your apologist ass) supposed to take
> > the word of people that will give someone 12 years(if he is lucky it
> > will just be 12 years) in a gulag for using the web.http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4676
>
> Thank you for the five year old article.
First one on Google search...If I wanted I could easily provide
more...Especially with Vietnams current crackdown on Users of the
internet.
Note: This is why I tell you to Google...Because no matter what I
provide your just going to blindly wave it away.
>
> While I damn sure am not going to give this sorry-ass government a
> thumbs-up for their overall performance, you are posting absolute
> false statements about how it is over here.
And you couldn't post anything different(risk going to jail).
>
> You make statements even the anti-communist Vietnamese in California
> would say are false.
No, they would most likely say worse....Since most of them had family
members that died in the reeducation camps and escaping the country.
>
> > Note: If he wasn't well known we probably wouldn't have even heard of
> > it. He would just have been quietly silenced or jailed for life.
>
> Oh, I thought he would be shot. I mean, you seem to think people over
> here are shot for a variety of crimes.
They are.
>
> You really need to update you knowledge about Vietnam. This country is
> far from perfect, but you don't seem to have a clue as to how it
> really is over here.
I know exactly how it is.
Note: The argument was, would Vietnam have been better if the US had
stayed. 1st world Korea vs 3rd World Vietnam says that they would have
been.
Doug Reese
I'd like to be clear on this. Is that what you are doing? If so, we
have nothing to discuss, as, if that is what you think, then you are
hopelessly ignorant as to the way it is over here. This isn't to say
you are lying, but just ignorant of the facts.
I have numerous friends who are former POWs who would strongly
disagree with you on a number of your comments.
This is, by no means, to say things are peachy keen over here, but
they damn sure are not as you portray them.
On Feb 17, 11:42 pm, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You claim mass muders, therefore you should be the one proving your
> > claim.
>
> Yea, that would be like proving their are mass murders going on in
> North Korea.
>
> > Your inability to do so speaks volumes for your credibility.
>
> Again, your not fooling anyone with your bs deniles.
>
> > The country has been on the upswing for something like 20 years. It's
> > getting better year-by-year.
>
> Whats the minimum wage?
>
> Population:
> 85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
>
> GDP (purchasing power parity):
> $222.5 billion (2007 est.)
> GDP (official exchange rate):
> $53.61 billion (2007 est.)
> GDP - real growth rate:
> 8.2% (2007 est.)
> GDP - per capita (PPP):
> $2,600 (2007 est.)
Thank you for making my point -- that things are on the upswing. That
would be apparent if you look at the same figures for 5, 10 and 15
years ago.
> > > The current state ofVietnamis that commie leaders are using their
> > > people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
> > > anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>
> > Bullshit.
>
> Yea, deny the obvious...That will work.
And you continue to back up your claims.
> > > > If you took your blinders off, you might know that.
> > > So why don't you live there?
> > I do. I am there now.
>
> Then we all understand you not posting the truth.
Ahh, so someone shows you that they can live over here, and your reply
is to say that because of that they must not be telling the truth?
How is it you know I'm not posting the truth?
> > > <Ignoring the fact that I'm sure if I had the time I could prove you
> > > wrong> But we will never know because, like I said, it's a closed
> > > country.
>
> > Are you serious? As I said, there are 80,000 foreigners living here.
> > And on any given day there are thousands of tourists here.
I repeat -- 80,000 foreigners LIVE here.
> Again, China has alot of tourist too.
>
> > Closed country? I don't think so.
>
> Your not allowed to.
Not allowed to what?
> > > > Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
> > > > portal -- just one.
> > > Why would a communist country post such data?
> > Even if they wouldn't, do you think no one would know about it if it
> > happened?
>
> Do you think they would tell anyone and risk the same happening to
> themselves?
Nice try, but that isn't an answer.
> > > > You can't, as such a thing has never happened.
> > > How do you know?
> > See my comment above.
>
> Please, if your government took away one of your family members, if
> they haven't already, you would be silent as a church mouse.
Again, your ignorance of the way things are over here is showing.
> > > Seriously, are we(not including your apologist ass) supposed to take
> > > the word of people that will give someone 12 years(if he is lucky it
> > > will just be 12 years) in a gulag for using the web.http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4676
>
> > Thank you for the five year old article.
>
> First one on Google search...If I wanted I could easily provide
> more...Especially with Vietnams current crackdown on Users of the
> internet.
Feel free. I'd especially like to see about all the people you claim
are bing taken out and shot.
> Note: This is why I tell you to Google...Because no matter what I
> provide your just going to blindly wave it away.
No, not is you post something that actually backs up your claims.
> > While I damn sure am not going to give this sorry-ass government a
> > thumbs-up for their overall performance, you are posting absolute
> > false statements about how it is over here.
>
> And you couldn't post anything different(risk going to jail).
I just did!
The government over here, in many respects, is HOPELESSLY INEPT, and
quite CORRUPT in many areas.
Now let's see if someone comes knocking at my door, Ok?
> > You make statements even the anti-communist Vietnamese in California
> > would say are false.
>
> No, they would most likely say worse....Since most of them had family
> members that died in the reeducation camps and escaping the country.
Sorry, they wouldn't. I know many of them. You apparently know none.
> > > Note: If he wasn't well known we probably wouldn't have even heard of
> > > it. He would just have been quietly silenced or jailed for life.
>
> > Oh, I thought he would be shot. I mean, you seem to think people over
> > here are shot for a variety of crimes.
> They are.
>
> > You really need to update you knowledge about Vietnam. This country is
> > far from perfect, but you don't seem to have a clue as to how it
> > really is over here.
>
> I know exactly how it is.
Not from these postings you don't.
> Note: The argument was, would Vietnam have been better if the US had
> stayed. 1st world Korea vs 3rd World Vietnam says that they would have
> been.
Korea has had huge head start, time-wise, and in addition they did not
have a US trade embargo aimed at them for 20 years. Big difference.
Doug Reese
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Are you really comparing Vietnam with North Korea?
Your right, a better comparision would be China.
>
> I have numerous friends who are former POWs who would strongly
> disagree with you on a number of your comments.
>
> This is, by no means, to say things are peachy keen over here, but
> they damn sure are not as you portray them.
>
> > > You claim mass muders, therefore you should be the one proving your
> > > claim.
>
> > Yea, that would be like proving their are mass murders going on in
> > North Korea.
>
> > > Your inability to do so speaks volumes for your credibility.
>
> > Again, your not fooling anyone with your bs deniles.
>
> > > The country has been on the upswing for something like 20 years. It's
> > > getting better year-by-year.
>
> > Whats the minimum wage?
>
> > Population:
> > 85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
>
> > GDP (purchasing power parity):
> > $222.5 billion (2007 est.)
> > GDP (official exchange rate):
> > $53.61 billion (2007 est.)
> > GDP - real growth rate:
> > 8.2% (2007 est.)
> > GDP - per capita (PPP):
> > $2,600 (2007 est.)
>
> Thank you for making my point -- that things are on the upswing. That
> would be apparent if you look at the same figures for 5, 10 and 15
> years ago.
of poverty. Truth: To many people and not enough jobs. All of this
makes your country ripe for sweatshops...Which is why it's filled with
em.
>
> > > > The current state ofVietnamis that commie leaders are using their
> > > > people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
> > > > anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>
> > > Bullshit.
> > Yea, deny the obvious...That will work.
> And you continue to back up your claims.
What percentage of your GDP are they? :)
>
> > > > > If you took your blinders off, you might know that.
> > > > So why don't you live there?
> > > I do. I am there now.
>
> > Then we all understand you not posting the truth.
> Ahh, so someone shows you that they can live over here, and your reply
> is to say that because of that they must not be telling the truth?
> How is it you know I'm not posting the truth?
saying is truth or lie?
>
> > > > <Ignoring the fact that I'm sure if I had the time I could prove you
> > > > wrong> But we will never know because, like I said, it's a closed
> > > > country.
>
> > > Are you serious? As I said, there are 80,000 foreigners living here.
> > > And on any given day there are thousands of tourists here.
>
> I repeat -- 80,000 foreigners LIVE here.
>
> > > Closed country? I don't think so.
> > Your not allowed to.
> Not allowed to what?
it means your government likes to cover up all the bad things it's
doing...And lie about current conditions.
>
> > > > > Please cite one example of someone who was shot for going to the wrong
> > > > > portal -- just one.
> > > > Why would a communist country post such data?
> > > Even if they wouldn't, do you think no one would know about it if it
> > > happened?
> > Do you think they would tell anyone and risk the same happening to
> > themselves?
> Nice try, but that isn't an answer.
suppression and intimidation.
>
> The government over here, in many respects, is HOPELESSLY INEPT, and
> quite CORRUPT in many areas.
their way then their killed or locked away in a gulag.
>
> Now let's see if someone comes knocking at my door, Ok?
want that on my head.
>
> > > You make statements even the anti-communist Vietnamese in California
> > > would say are false.
>
> > No, they would most likely say worse....Since most of them had family
> > members that died in the reeducation camps and escaping the country.
>
> Sorry, they wouldn't. I know many of them.
<snip more of the same>
>
>
> > Note: The argument was, would Vietnam have been better if the US had
> > stayed. 1st world Korea vs 3rd World Vietnam says that they would have
> > been.
>
> Korea has had huge head start, time-wise, and in addition they did not
Pick any identical time/situations and korea has outperformed Vietnam
by leaps and bounds. Democracy breeds success.
>
> have a US trade embargo aimed at them for 20 years.
It lasted 20 years because of poor leadership of your government. Thx
for proving my point.
Doug Reese
> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/TrangBang.jpg
I would be curious to know what this has to do with McCain.
Doug Reese
Doug Reese
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 9:28 am,Doug Reese<dre...@erols.com> wrote:> Are you really comparing Vietnam with North Korea?
In otherwords, you didn't look. I know this, because the growth is NOT
stagnant.
And it's not my country, pal. I live here, but it isn't my country. I
am an American -- a Vietnam vet, as are some of those who live/work
here.
I think I am done with this back-and-forth. If anyone is reading this,
I think they can make up their own mind as to the actual conditions
over here.
Doug Reese
> for proving my point.- Hide quoted text -
John Manning
The guy's a less than on-the-ball crackpot, Doug. I noticed Bush
recently went over there and from what I saw the country looks healthy
and prosperous - nothing at all like North Korea.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Google)
Note: Anything you site...Be sure to take into account population
growth. :)
Doug Reese
> Doug Reesewrote:
I know, John. I've gotten used to these kind of folks. . . . . . well,
sort of :)
Doug Reese
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
> I noticed Bush
> recently went over there and from what I saw the country looks healthy
> and prosperous - nothing at all like North Korea.
is using it as it's personal sweatshop.
Population:
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.)
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.)
Woo, what a powerhouse. <snicker>
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> sort of :)
Population:
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.)
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.)
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.)
Wahahahahahahahahahahahaha
John Manning
Nice to hear from you again, Doug.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Governor Swill
>> The country has been on the upswing for something like 20 years. It's
>> getting better year-by-year.
>Whats the minimum wage?
>
>Population:
>85,262,356 (July 2007 est.)
>
>GDP (purchasing power parity):
>$222.5 billion (2007 est.)
>GDP (official exchange rate):
>$53.61 billion (2007 est.)
>GDP - real growth rate:
>8.2% (2007 est.)
>GDP - per capita (PPP):
>$2,600 (2007 est.)
These are the figures for Vietnam? Wow! 8.2% GROWTH!
Dayam!
Swill
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Governor Swill
>> > people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
>> > anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>Yea, deny the obvious...That will work.
He is quite right. No less a conservative than PJ O'Rourke has
pointed out how Vietnam has embraced western capitalist ways and his
prospered thereby. As far back as the nineties private enterprise was
exploding in the country.
Governor Swill
>> The guy's a less than on-the-ball crackpot, Doug. I noticed Bush
>> recently went over there and from what I saw the country looks healthy
>> and prosperous - nothing at all like North Korea.
>
>I know, John. I've gotten used to these kind of folks. . . . . . well,
>sort of :)
Would you consider AI's opinions on the subject leftist, rightist or
just plain looney?
Governor Swill
>> > > > GDP (purchasing power parity):
>> > > > $222.5 billion (2007 est.)
>> > > > GDP (official exchange rate):
>> > > > $53.61 billion (2007 est.)
>> > > > GDP - real growth rate:
>> > > > 8.2% (2007 est.)
>> > > > GDP - per capita (PPP):
>> > > > $2,600 (2007 est.)
>>
>> > > Thank you for making my point -- that things are on the upswing. That
>> > > would be apparent if you look at the same figures for 5, 10 and 15
>> > > years ago.
>>
>> > I would see stagnant growth(per capita) and a population boom and lots
>> > of poverty. Truth: To many people and not enough jobs. All of this
>> > makes your country ripe for sweatshops...Which is why it's filled with
>> > em.
>>
>> In otherwords, you didn't look.
>I did...
Not very far.
>And by anymeans...Feel free to prove me wrong.(It's called
>Google)
Your own post does that. You consider 8.2% growth a problem, how?
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > > > GDP (purchasing power parity):
> >> > > > $222.5 billion (2007 est.)
> >> > > > GDP (official exchange rate):
> >> > > > $53.61 billion (2007 est.)
> >> > > > GDP - real growth rate:
> >> > > > 8.2% (2007 est.)
> >> > > > GDP - per capita (PPP):
> >> > > > $2,600 (2007 est.)
>
> >> > > Thank you for making my point -- that things are on the upswing. That
> >> > > would be apparent if you look at the same figures for 5, 10 and 15
> >> > > years ago.
>
> >> > I would see stagnant growth(per capita) and a population boom and lots
> >> > of poverty. Truth: To many people and not enough jobs. All of this
> >> > makes your country ripe for sweatshops...Which is why it's filled with
> >> > em.
>
> >> In otherwords, you didn't look.
> >I did...
>
> Not very far.
>
> >And by anymeans...Feel free to prove me wrong.(It's called
> >Google)
>
> Your own post does that.
>
> You consider 8.2% growth a problem, how?
Population:
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.) <- Growing by leaps and bounds
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese Can't find work
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.) <- Seriously, with the above stat, you consider this
grand? You sir are laughable.
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Population:
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.) <- Growing by leaps and bounds
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese Can't find work
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.) <- Seriously, with the above stat, you consider
this
grand? You sir are laughable.
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
You sir...are retarded.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
> >> > The current state ofVietnamis that commie leaders are using their
> >> > people as cheap labor(sweatshops) to make themselves rich. And if
> >> > anyone steps out of line and it's off to some gulag.
>
> >> Bullshit.
> >Yea, deny the obvious...That will work.
>
> He is quite right. No less a conservative than PJ O'Rourke has
> pointed out how Vietnam has embraced western capitalist ways and his
> prospered thereby. As far back as the nineties private enterprise was
> exploding in the country.
85,262,356 (July 2007 est.) <- Growing by leaps and bounds
GDP (purchasing power parity):
$222.5 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
GDP (official exchange rate):
$53.61 billion (2007 est.) <- This is an embrace of western
capatalism?
GDP - real growth rate:
8.2% (2007 est.) <- Seriously, with the above stat, you consider this
grand? You sir are laughable.
GDP - per capita (PPP):
$2,600 (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
You sir, like PJ O'Rourke...are retarded.
Governor Swill
>> He is quite right. No less a conservative than PJ O'Rourke has
>> pointed out how Vietnam has embraced western capitalist ways and his
>> prospered thereby. As far back as the nineties private enterprise was
>> exploding in the country.
>Population:
>85,262,356 (July 2007 est.) <- Growing by leaps and bounds
>
>GDP (purchasing power parity):
>$222.5 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
>GDP (official exchange rate):
>$53.61 billion (2007 est.) <- This is an embrace of western
>capatalism?
>GDP - real growth rate:
>8.2% (2007 est.) <- Seriously, with the above stat, you consider this
>grand? You sir are laughable.
It's nearly three times our rate.
>GDP - per capita (PPP):
>$2,600 (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
It's a small, developing country. The point isn't the totals, it's
the trend.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
> Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
>
> >> He is quite right. No less a conservative than PJ O'Rourke has
> >> pointed out how Vietnam has embraced western capitalist ways and his
> >> prospered thereby. As far back as the nineties private enterprise was
> >> exploding in the country.
> >Population:
> >85,262,356 (July 2007 est.) <- Growing by leaps and bounds
>
> >GDP (purchasing power parity):
> >$222.5 billion (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
> >GDP (official exchange rate):
> >$53.61 billion (2007 est.) <- This is an embrace of western
> >capatalism?
> >GDP - real growth rate:
> >8.2% (2007 est.) <- Seriously, with the above stat, you consider this
> >grand? You sir are laughable.
>
> It's nearly three times our rate.
B) ->GDP (official exchange rate): $53.61 billion (2007 est.)<-
>
> >GDP - per capita (PPP):
> >$2,600 (2007 est.) <- Vietnamese can't afford to buy anything
>
> It's a small, developing country.
proud.
>
> The point isn't the totals, it's the trend.
good jobs, no future and no way to make their lives better.
Like I said, Manning and Doug were full of shit, the countries/
region's decline can be traced to the withdrawel of American troops.
rwjac...@gmail.com
> wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:51:37 -0800 (PST), Anonymous Infidel - the
> > anti-political talking head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> What did the Vietnamese people ever do to him?
>
>
> > I guess each side has its assholes. And what are you complaining
> > about, AI? You most likely swallowed every lie the swiftboaters told
> > about Kerry.
>
> I don't take anything at face value.
>
> But those media clips of young Kerry calling our soldiers in Vietnam
> "war criminals" who acted like "Genghis Khan" (his words, not mine)
> weren't faked.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqOuEhg9yE&feature=related
>
> Thanks to YouTube, you lefties can run but you can't hide.
>
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Hi Guys,
I am a Vietnam Vet(ex-carrier sailor), an independent and African
American. Yes, the North Vietnamese broke McCain while he was a guest
at the Hanoi Hilton. He signed a confession that began: I AM A WAR
CRIMINAL!
If my memory derves me correctly, there was talk about trying him for
collaborating with the enemy! His father was an admieal at that time
show he was able to slide by and the media has never really
scrutinized this. So, for all those out there who say Straight-talk
McCain is more like Bull-shit McCain. Do your homework, fellas and you
would be surprised!!
BTW...I had 6 years active duty and honorably 1and I signed no
confessions
Rhon J.
email: rwjac...@gmail.com