Pickering Goes Down! YESSSS!!!
Got Brains?
Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
screwed when he gets back below 50%.
Pickering Nomination Rejected
Judiciary Committee Members Voted Along Party Lines
By Jesse J. Holland
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, March 14, 2002; 6:43 PM
The Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines
Thursday to kill the nomination of Judge Charles Pickering to the appeals
court, handing President Bush a stinging defeat in a racially-charged
confirmation battle.
In a series of roll calls, the panel also snubbed Bush's request to allow a
vote in the full Senate on Pickering, a 64-year-old Mississippian with more
than a decade on the bench.
Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
Republicans were equally united in their support of Pickering. Sen. Orrin
Hatch, R-Utah, argued that Bush's nominee had been victimized by a smear
campaign by liberal interest groups seeking to impose "an ideological litmus
test" on abortion, civil rights and other issues.
The committee's actions left the nomination all but dead. The GOP leader,
Sen. Trent Lott - Pickering's friend and Mississippi patron - has authority
to seek a vote by the full Senate, but such efforts are customarily settled
on party-line votes.
Supporters and opponents of Pickering's confirmation filled the large
committee room. Supporters wore pink badges that said "Stop the Bickering
Confirm Pickering."
The debate, which stretched over more than four hours, ranged far from
Pickering's case. Republicans noted - with dissatisfaction - numerous public
predictions that the confirmation battle was a warm-up for any Supreme Court
nominations that Bush might make.
Democrats repeatedly accused Republicans of mistreating many of the
nominations made by former President Clinton, to the point of denying
hearings for months at a time.
Pickering was not present, but his son, Rep. Charles Pickering, R-Miss., had
a seat in the front row of the spectators section. "What is happening to
your father today is a great injustice," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.,
addressing his remarks to the young congressman.
Bush made a few late calls on behalf of his beleaguered nominee in the
run-up to the committee meeting, but there was no indication that Democrats
were wavering in their plan to deny Pickering a floor vote.
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle told reporters the president was "asking
us to break a 200-year tradition" of Senate committees holding jurisdiction
and responsibility for approving nominations. "I don't know that we can do
that," he said.
"By failing to allow full Senate votes on judicial nominees, a few senators
are standing in the way of justice," Bush had said.
Democrats "seek to undermine the nominations of candidates who agree with my
philosophy that judges should interpret the law and not try to make law from
the bench," the president said at his news conference a little less than 24
hours before the committee met.
The debate Thursday unfolded along party lines, and it seemed at times as
though there were two nominees up for confirmation.
The committee chairman, Patrick Leahy, said Pickering "repeatedly injects
his own opinions into his decisions on issues ranging from employment
discrimination to voting rights."
Other Democrats referred to a case in which Pickering had sought a lighter
sentence for a defendant on a cross-burning case - a case that Republicans
said was misinterpreted by the judge's critics.
Democrats said Pickering's ruling in voting rights cases had been overturned
by the appeals court. Republicans countered the reversal had to do with
attorney fees, not the merits of the case.
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, praised Pickering for "moral courage on the
issue of race," demonstrated in 1967 when he testified against a Ku Klux
Klan leader in Mississippi.
Much of the opposition to Pickering, 64, has come from civil rights groups,
which say he supported segregation as a young man in Mississippi.
Pickering's opponents also point to his conservative voting record as a
Mississippi state lawmaker and decisions as a judge.
Supporters, including some Mississippi Democrats and black leaders, cite
numerous examples of support for civil rights as far back as the middle
1960s and note that Pickering won Senate confirmation in 1990 to be a U.S.
District Court judge.
Forty of the 92 Bush judicial nominations have been confirmed by the Senate,
most of them District court judges. Seven of Bush's 29 nominees to the U.S.
Appeals Court, the regional courts one step below the Supreme Court, have
been confirmed.
© 2002 The Associated Press
Smoked em out - and Left em Runnin
slackened, monetarily-enlarged, corporate asshole of George W. Bush today.
By 2004 it will be sunk groin deep.
(NO LUBE)
C_S
"We're going to get him running and keep
him running and bring him to justice."
-- Crawford Tx, Dec. 28, 2001
"I truly am not that concerned about him."
-- White House Press Conference,
March 13, 2002
Sam Kinison
for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when police
interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about Pickering , Kennedy
would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till his
fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
=====================
Sam Kinison
as the taxpayer has to pay for the overtime other Court Justices have to put in in
order to make up for all the work thats not getting done with all the vacancies
that the Democrats are roadblocking. More Democrats wasting tax payer $$ , but
then weve become used to that ever since they created the Welfare system , Social
Security , Medicare , Food Stamps , etc which are all riddled with Fraud , waste
, abuse and scandalous activities.
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
news:aabk8.868$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid from
police
> for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when
police
> interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about Pickering ,
Kennedy
> would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till
his
> fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
>
Sam Kinison
Viet Nam was 30 years ago too , guess we should just forget all those that died
there as well.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> I guess your last name is not Kopechne.
>
> Viet Nam was 30 years ago too , guess we should just forget all those that
died
> there as well.
>
> http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html
>
>
accident when their brakes failed?
TheRock
Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
general_mauser@itchy+scratchy.com
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>Nope actually its ATxpaayers that are getting kicked in the ass from the Democrats
>as the taxpayer has to pay for the overtime other Court Justices have to put in in
>order to make up for all the work thats not getting done with all the vacancies
>that the Democrats are roadblocking. More Democrats wasting tax payer $$ , but
>then weve become used to that ever since they created the Welfare system , Social
>Security , Medicare , Food Stamps , etc which are all riddled with Fraud , waste
>, abuse and scandalous activities.
>
>
>
we're just filling the vacancies caused by Trent Lott and the boys
when President Clinton was the president (and he actually got
elected).
quit whining
deal with it
general_mauser@itchy+scratchy.com
hey Conservatic:
quit whining
deal with it
move on
Harrison X. Numbugger
TheRock wrote:
>
> If it was your sister would you be over it ?
> Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
there was no murder. grow up you little moron.
Harrison X. Numbugger
Sam Kinison wrote:
>
> I guess your last name is not Kopechne.
>
> Viet Nam was 30 years ago too , guess we should just forget all those that died
> there as well.
>
what an asinine comparison but of course we expect no less from you.
Weasel Zepp
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid from police
>for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when police
>interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about Pickering , Kennedy
>would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till his
>fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
Well, let's see: at the very WORST, that makes him no worse than the
First Lady.
And at least he doesn't have to forge military votes and illegally
disenfranchise blacks to steal elections like your fraudulency in
chief.
>
>
>
>=====================
>
>Got Brains? wrote:
>
>>
>> Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
>> to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
>> position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
>> unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
>>
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Apple Betty
>Nope actually its ATxpaayers that are getting kicked in the ass from the
>Democrats
>as the taxpayer has to pay for the overtime other Court Justices have to put
>in in
>order to make up for all the work thats not getting done with all the
>vacancies
>that the Democrats are roadblocking.
rightwingers had no problem with this when clinton was prez
Sam Kinison
in such a hurry to hide for 12 hours before calling Police to report the
accident and death ? Aaaaa could it be his BAC of .35 that witnesses saw him
drinking ?
Sam Kinison
Maybe then you will pull your head out of your ass and want justice done to the
criminal.
Sam Kinison
power to avoid jail. Thats lower than the Scum that you are and you work
in a sewer plant so that says alot.
Sam Kinison
see how you " get Over it ".
Sam Kinison
anyone in jail for simple accidents. How many have you had ?
Sam Kinison
Democrats are playing the same crap politics that got 60 + of their asses kicked out
of Washington in 1993. We could see a repeat this fall as the public already is blaming
Democrats for almost everything bad in washington so Tommy Dashole has had to backtrack
on his statements as the Polls show his ass is smelling up DC.
Sam Kinison
1st year. Try and spin that miss batty.
Foxtrot
>TheRock wrote:
>> If it was your sister would you be over it ?
>> Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
>
>there was no murder. grow up you little moron.
Perhaps it was only negligent manslaughter for him to let
her slowly suffocate while he left the scene to sober up.
But the point stands, Kennedy is in *no* position to judge
others.
>> > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
So? Nixon has been out of office for decades, but Dems
still can't seem to "get over" him.
Thomas Andrews
"Foxtrot" <fox...@null.com> wrote in message
news:tcv29uc36t4ovhu5k...@4ax.com...
> "Harrison X. Numbugger" <hnumb...@impeachbush.now> wrote:
>
> >TheRock wrote:
> >> If it was your sister would you be over it ?
> >> Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
> >
> >there was no murder. grow up you little moron.
>
> Perhaps it was only negligent manslaughter for him to let
> her slowly suffocate while he left the scene to sober up.
> But the point stands, Kennedy is in *no* position to judge
> others.
>
He's in the Senate, so he is in a position to do so; it's his job.
=thomas
Harrison X. Numbugger
Sam Kinison wrote:
>
> People get time in jail for Homicide by DUI . Ted used his political
> power to avoid jail. Thats lower than the Scum that you are and you work
> in a sewer plant so that says alot.
>
LOL! keep trying!
Harrison X. Numbugger
Sam Kinison wrote:
>
> Hey liberal , when your relative in the future gets killed by a DUI driver , well
> see how you " get Over it ".
>
hey, sammy your fearful leader and his Vp have several drunk driving
convictions why no bitching about them? HMmmmm. I'll tell you why,
because your a little partisan bitch , that's why. keep posting !
King Pineapple
news:fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>
> It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
LOL. How come it's "get over it" when it's something a Democrat did that
long ago, but "relevant" when the future wife of the future President runs a
stop light in 1963? Checkmate.
Next?
--
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"-
Dan Rather
Fox Americana
> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
-
>
> Pickering Nomination Rejected
> Judiciary Committee Members Voted Along Party Lines
>
> By Jesse J. Holland
> Associated Press Writer
> Thursday, March 14, 2002; 6:43 PM
>
>
> The Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines
> Thursday to kill the nomination of Judge Charles Pickering to the appeals
> court, handing President Bush a stinging defeat in a racially-charged
> confirmation battle.
>
> In a series of roll calls, the panel also snubbed Bush's request to allow a
> vote in the full Senate on Pickering, a 64-year-old Mississippian with more
> than a decade on the bench.
>
> Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
> to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
> position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
> unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
>
> Republicans were equally united in their support of Pickering. Sen. Orrin
> Hatch, R-Utah, argued that Bush's nominee had been victimized by a smear
> campaign by liberal interest groups seeking to impose "an ideological litmus
> test" on abortion, civil rights and other issues.
>
> The committee's actions left the nomination all but dead. The GOP leader,
> Sen. Trent Lott - Pickering's friend and Mississippi patron - has authority
> to seek a vote by the full Senate, but such efforts are customarily settled
> on party-line votes.
>
> Supporters and opponents of Pickering's confirmation filled the large
> committee room. Supporters wore pink badges that said "Stop the Bickering
> Confirm Pickering."
>
> The debate, which stretched over more than four hours, ranged far from
> Pickering's case. Republicans noted - with dissatisfaction - numerous public
> predictions that the confirmation battle was a warm-up for any Supreme Court
> nominations that Bush might make.
>
> Democrats repeatedly accused Republicans of mistreating many of the
> nominations made by former President Clinton, to the point of denying
> hearings for months at a time.
>
> Pickering was not present, but his son, Rep. Charles Pickering, R-Miss., had
> a seat in the front row of the spectators section. "What is happening to
> your father today is a great injustice," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.,
> addressing his remarks to the young congressman.
>
> Bush made a few late calls on behalf of his beleaguered nominee in the
> run-up to the committee meeting, but there was no indication that Democrats
> were wavering in their plan to deny Pickering a floor vote.
>
> Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle told reporters the president was "asking
> us to break a 200-year tradition" of Senate committees holding jurisdiction
> and responsibility for approving nominations. "I don't know that we can do
> that," he said.
>
> "By failing to allow full Senate votes on judicial nominees, a few senators
> are standing in the way of justice," Bush had said.
>
> Democrats "seek to undermine the nominations of candidates who agree with my
> philosophy that judges should interpret the law and not try to make law from
> the bench," the president said at his news conference a little less than 24
> hours before the committee met.
>
> The debate Thursday unfolded along party lines, and it seemed at times as
> though there were two nominees up for confirmation.
>
> The committee chairman, Patrick Leahy, said Pickering "repeatedly injects
> his own opinions into his decisions on issues ranging from employment
> discrimination to voting rights."
>
> Other Democrats referred to a case in which Pickering had sought a lighter
> sentence for a defendant on a cross-burning case - a case that Republicans
> said was misinterpreted by the judge's critics.
>
> Democrats said Pickering's ruling in voting rights cases had been overturned
> by the appeals court. Republicans countered the reversal had to do with
> attorney fees, not the merits of the case.
>
> Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, praised Pickering for "moral courage on the
> issue of race," demonstrated in 1967 when he testified against a Ku Klux
> Klan leader in Mississippi.
>
> Much of the opposition to Pickering, 64, has come from civil rights groups,
> which say he supported segregation as a young man in Mississippi.
> Pickering's opponents also point to his conservative voting record as a
> Mississippi state lawmaker and decisions as a judge.
>
> Supporters, including some Mississippi Democrats and black leaders, cite
> numerous examples of support for civil rights as far back as the middle
> 1960s and note that Pickering won Senate confirmation in 1990 to be a U.S.
> District Court judge.
>
> Forty of the 92 Bush judicial nominations have been confirmed by the Senate,
> most of them District court judges. Seven of Bush's 29 nominees to the U.S.
> Appeals Court, the regional courts one step below the Supreme Court, have
> been confirmed.
>
>
> © 2002 The Associated Press
xofpi
says...
>
>"Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
>> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
>> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>
>
>Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
>
>Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
>an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
>example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
>
>SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
Pickering is collateral damage in the on-going war for a representative
judiciary. Repubs were the ones who started the effort to pack the courts with
partisans by blocking Clinton's nominees. Pickering paid for their sins. It
looks like he won't be the last to make the ultimate Federalist Society
sacrifice.
Shame on the Republicans. Viva Democratic Obstructionism!!
Scott D. Erb
Fox Americana wrote:
> "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> > There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
> > Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
> > screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>
>
> Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
>
> Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
> an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
> example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
>
> SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
What comes around goes around. The Republicans skewered qualified Clinton appointments on ideological grounds,
and now they think the Democrats should just give in to anything they want?
I don't think so.
Of course, almost all of Bush's appointments to appeals courts have been approved, and the Democrats haven't used
this power as often and as blatantly as the Republicans. If the GOP hadn't started bottling up Clinton
appointments in the way they did, then it wouldn't have gotten to this point. Turn about is fair play.
Sure, make a recess appointment. That can be part of the game, though that can also hurt the long term ability of
Bush to get what he wants from Congress. This is politics. And the Democrats are giving back to the GOP what the
GOP dished out. Shame on both? Perhaps. But it would be naive for the GOP to think they can get away with it
while a Democrat is in power and then expect the Democrats to fold once they get power.
Fox Americana
> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> news:aabk8.868$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid from police
> > for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when police
> > would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till his
> > fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
>
> It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
Leftwing extremists are clearly calling the shots at the DNC,
as puppets daschle and kennedy dance to their demagoguery,
mindless marionettes on the strings of the socialist leftwing.
SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
-
> > >
> > > Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
> > > to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
> > > position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
> > > unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
IOW: a socialist-left, political litmus test.
> >
> >
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> Oh so you believe the Ted BS Story that his brakes failed huh? Then why
was he
> in such a hurry to hide for 12 hours before calling Police to report the
> accident and death ? Aaaaa could it be his BAC of .35 that witnesses saw
him
> drinking ?
>
when it's Bush and Iran Contra or Bush and Enron?
Give it up.
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> If you have a daughter , i hope she gets killed by a person while DUI like
Ted did.
> Maybe then you will pull your head out of your ass and want justice done
to the
> criminal.
>
I suppose you have evidence other than your hatred for Kennedy.
But either way; it's over, and it's been over for 30 years. To be fair, I
agree he should have been punished more than he was, and he certainly
shouldn't have been re-elected at the time. But he wasn't, and he was, and
it's been more than 30 years, and the world has moved on.
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> People get time in jail for Homicide by DUI .
No one knows all of the circumstances surrounding it, and even so, DUI
wasn't taken very seriously back then at all. A lot of people were killed
suring DUIs and no one ever prosecuted. Unfortunately, it's still that way
far too often.
>Ted used his political
> power to avoid jail. Thats lower than the Scum that you are and you work
> in a sewer plant so that says alot.
>
Your irrational rant is noted. Now go away.
Got Brains?
>
> >TheRock wrote:
> >> If it was your sister would you be over it ?
> >> Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
> >
> >there was no murder. grow up you little moron.
>
> Perhaps it was only negligent manslaughter for him to let
> her slowly suffocate while he left the scene to sober up.
> But the point stands, Kennedy is in *no* position to judge
> others.
He's the Senator his state chose to represent them, so whether you agree or
not, yes, he is.
>
> >> > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>
> So? Nixon has been out of office for decades, but Dems
> still can't seem to "get over" him.
>
From what I understand, Nixon's dead.
Got Brains?
"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Bplk8.17154$P4.14...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> DNC Low IQ Holder "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
> news:fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>
> >
> > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>
> LOL. How come it's "get over it" when it's something a Democrat did that
> long ago, but "relevant" when the future wife of the future President runs
a
> stop light in 1963? Checkmate.
It's only checkmate if you can produce a post in which I have ever mentioned
such a thing.
>
> Next?
>
God, I hope not. This was a stupid enough post to retire yourself on.
Scott D. Erb
Fox Americana wrote:
>
> Judge Pickering is well and completely qualified for the position.
>
> Leftwing extremists are clearly calling the shots at the DNC,
> as puppets daschle and kennedy dance to their demagoguery,
> mindless marionettes on the strings of the socialist leftwing.
>
> SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
But it was OK when the GOP did the same thing to many
of Clinton's nominees?
Turn about is fair play, that's politics. What the GOP
did was shameful, maybe its shameful for the Democrats
to do the same thing back (though, arguably, they
aren't doing it as often as the GOP did), but certainly
you can see their position that if the GOP is going to
play that game, they can't just fold when the tables
turn.
Mitchell Holman
>DNC Low IQ Holder "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
>news:fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>
>>
>> It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>
>LOL. How come it's "get over it" when it's something a Democrat did that
>long ago, but "relevant" when the future wife of the future President runs a
>stop light in 1963?
This, from the same Pineapple who still fixates on
what Clinton did in the 60's but finds what Bush did
in the 70's to be "ancient history"?
Mitchell Holman
"What does this have to do with Bush?"
King Pineapple(Craig Seufert), in between bouts
of changing subject to Clinton everywhere Bush's
failings are being discussed. 6/27/01
Mitchell Holman
We should be so lucky.
righ...@scumbag.com
like a right wing nut;
>> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
>> news:aabk8.868$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>> > This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid from police
>> > for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when police
>> > interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about Pickering, Kennedy
>> > would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till his
>> > fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
>>
>> It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>
>Judge Pickering is well and completely qualified for the position.
Depends on the definition of "qualified"
It is not a good qualification to have problems with common, accepted,
legal doctrines and make judgments that run counter-purpose to them
It is not a good qualification to allow personal bias and preferences
to subvert following established legal doctrine.
And Pickering (among other things) is guilty of that.
>
>
>
>
>
>-
>
>> > >
>> > > Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
>> > > to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
>> > > position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
>> > > unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
>
>IOW: a socialist-left, political litmus test.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> >
>> >
====================================================
Poor, pathetic, DIMWIT DANA, blusterers thusly:
IT PROVES YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
Hey ASSHOLE no one but you cares about this,
but it does show you are a hypocritical LOON.
Come on Roseasshole tell us what town you live in,
or are you to chicken to fight.
I am in Phoenix, and my number is listed,
come on chicken man, make your hat.
Mitchell Holman
>If you have a daughter , i hope she gets killed by a person while DUI like Ted
> did.
>Maybe then you will pull your head out of your ass and want justice done to the
>criminal.
>
Does that mean we can hope you have a son
that gets killed by a future First Lady who walks
away from it with no so much as a traffic ticket?
Mitchell Holman
>Republicans confirmed 50 % more of Clinotns nominations by this time in his 1
> st year.
>Democrats are playing the same crap politics that got 60 + of their asses
> kicked out
>of Washington in 1993. We could see a repeat this fall as the public already is
> blaming
>Democrats for almost everything bad in washington so Tommy Dashole has had to
> backtrack
>on his statements as the Polls show his ass is smelling up DC.
>
>
Since Republicans did not control the Senate
until 1994, they can hardly be credited for confirming
appointees in 1993.
Keep trying, tho.
Mitchell Holman
>
>
>YOu equate an intersection accident with a Homicide by DUI?
The other drivers are equally dead, no?
Well lets get rid
> of all the DUI laws then and start putting
>anyone in jail for simple accidents. How many have you had ?
Bush & Cheney: Three convictions for
drunk driving, and still have the gall to tell us
they are "tough on crime"............
bob
righ...@scumbag.com wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2002 04:25:30 -0800, ner...@aol.com (Fox Americana) wrote
> like a right wing nut;
> >"Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> >> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> >> news:aabk8.868$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> >> > This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid from police
> >> > for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours when police
> >> > interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about Pickering, Kennedy
> >> > would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years or till his
> >> > fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
> >>
> >> It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
> >
> >Judge Pickering is well and completely qualified for the position.
>
> Depends on the definition of "qualified"
This from a guy who struggles defining "is".
Bob
Sam Kinison
killed. IF he had a seat belt on , he ould have lived like LAura Bush. Ralph Nader called th Corvair " unsafe at
Any Speed. Looks like he was right.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/050400/ss.html
Weasel Zepp
wrote:
>
>"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:Bplk8.17154$P4.14...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> DNC Low IQ Holder "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
>> news:fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>>
>> >
>> > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>>
>> LOL. How come it's "get over it" when it's something a Democrat did that
>> long ago, but "relevant" when the future wife of the future President runs
>a
>> stop light in 1963? Checkmate.
>
>
>It's only checkmate if you can produce a post in which I have ever mentioned
>such a thing.
That was me, and it shows the partisan hypocrisy of King Pip. "Moral
equivalence" is what he might call it.
And of course, he won't address the fact that Putsch and dicky Ticker
have six DUIs between them, the only ticket with a criminal record in
American history.
Amazing what utter trash the Right has to use as their "best and
brightest".
>>
>> Next?
>>
>God, I hope not. This was a stupid enough post to retire yourself on.
>
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Sam Kinison
bold faced lie then huh ?
Mitchell Holman
>Laura Bush 's accident victim was Driving A Corvair and NOT weraring a seat
> belt. He was thrown from the car and
>killed. IF he had a seat belt on , he ould have lived like LAura Bush. Ralph
> Nader called th Corvair " unsafe at
>Any Speed. Looks like he was right.
>
So the fatality is not Laura's fault, because the kid
she killed was not wearing a seat belt and his parents
bought him the wrong make of car?
Wow. Never let it be said that Sam here is above
"blaming the victim"....................
Brain Death
This really only matters until November. After that, Bush will get
what he wants from Congress.
BD
Sam Kinison
give him parole. After all it was a long time ago too.
Got Brains? wrote:
> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
Sam Kinison
http://www.nctimes.com/news/050400/ss.html
Sam Kinison
including you would have wanted to fly in it.
ken...@shangrila.net
"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
Pickering, like Ashcroft, is not a man who should be in charge of others' lives.
bob
"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
> Sure, make a recess appointment. That can be part of the game, though that can also hurt the long term ability of
> Bush to get what he wants from Congress.
Given that a majority of the full Senate was prepared to confirm Pickering, there is
little risk in a recess appointment. And it would again highlight the extremism of
Daschle and his obstructionist cohorts.
Bob
Weasel Zepp
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>Charles Mansons dirty deeds were 30 years ago too. Guess we should move on and
>give him parole. After all it was a long time ago too.
I wouldn't compare Laura Bush to Charlie Manson, exactly. After all,
there's no evidence that she INTENDED to kill somebody.
>
>
>
>
>
>Got Brains? wrote:
>
>> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
>> news:4%ek8.1120$Zr3.4...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>> > If you have a daughter , i hope she gets killed by a person while DUI like
>> Ted did.
>> > Maybe then you will pull your head out of your ass and want justice done
>> to the
>> > criminal.
>> >
>>
>> I suppose you have evidence other than your hatred for Kennedy.
>>
>> But either way; it's over, and it's been over for 30 years. To be fair, I
>> agree he should have been punished more than he was, and he certainly
>> shouldn't have been re-elected at the time. But he wasn't, and he was, and
>> it's been more than 30 years, and the world has moved on.
**************************************
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
news:e2ok8.1272$Zr3.5...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> Laura Bush 's accident victim was Driving A Corvair and NOT weraring a
seat belt. He was thrown from the car and
> killed. IF he had a seat belt on , he ould have lived like LAura Bush.
Ralph Nader called th Corvair " unsafe at
> Any Speed. Looks like he was right.
>
> http://www.nctimes.com/news/050400/ss.html
>
She was drunk. She lost control of her car and hit another. As a result, the
person driving the other car is dead.
It was as least as much an "accident" as Kennedy's.
More's the pity, you know. If we'd taken drinking and driving as seriously
then as now, we'd both have our wishes.
Got Brains?
"Brain Death" <jgl...@letsroll.com> wrote in message
news:p0449ugq4mj7pk13d...@4ax.com...
election year. You don't actually think the GOP is going to pick up seats,
do you?
Weasel Zepp
wrote:
>
Texas only recently banned open containers in the front seat. And oh!
The whines the right wingers made about that!
Scott D. Erb
If one were going to win approval and one not, I wish
it would have been the other way around.
Sam Kinison
Got Brains?
"Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> Cite the news source that said she was drunk .... Next.......
>
Sam Kinison
should move on. Please due try to keep up .
Sam Kinison
enough proof to any logical person of his guilt. And if you throw in the
witnesses at the party that said they watched him drinking heavily , its a slam
Drunk !
Got Brains? wrote:
> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> news:PZek8.1119$Zr3.4...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > Oh so you believe the Ted BS Story that his brakes failed huh? Then why
> was he
> > in such a hurry to hide for 12 hours before calling Police to report the
> > accident and death ? Aaaaa could it be his BAC of .35 that witnesses saw
> him
> > drinking ?
> >
> Why does "innocnet until proven guilty" only have meaning to right wingers
> when it's Bush and Iran Contra or Bush and Enron?
>
> Give it up.
>
> >
> > Got Brains? wrote:
> >
> > > "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> > > news:M2ck8.910$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > I guess your last name is not Kopechne.
> > > >
> > > > Viet Nam was 30 years ago too , guess we should just forget all those
> that
> > > died
> > > > there as well.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I'm sorry; were all those names on the black wall names of people killed
> by
> > > accident when their brakes failed?
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Got Brains? wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:aabk8.868$Zr3.3...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> > > > > > This statement from a Man who while drunk , killed a woman , hid
> from
> > > > > police
> > > > > > for 12 hours , then lied about his activites for the past 12 hours
> > > when
> > > > > police
> > > > > > interroigated him. If Kennedy believed what he said about
> Pickering ,
> > > > > Kennedy
> > > > > > would resign immediately and place himself in Prison for 10 years
> or
> > > till
> > > > > his
> > > > > > fat ass heart goes Poof which will likely be much sooner.
> > > > > >
> > > > > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =====================
Sam Kinison
would we ?
Stupendous Man
>
>
> Fox Americana wrote:
>
>> "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
>> news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>>> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
>>> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
>>> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>>
>>
>> Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
>>
>> Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
>> an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
>> example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
>>
>> SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
> What comes around goes around. The Republicans skewered qualified Clinton
> appointments on ideological grounds,
> and now they think the Democrats should just give in to anything they want?
But instead what we have are liberals claiming that conservatives are by nature not qualified/undeserving to serve on the court. And that is simply reprehensible. Once again the Democrats are proving themselves to be the party of dictatorship.
> I don't think so.
Don't worry, we won't forget this in November.
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Sam Kinison
admission of his drunken state. The witnesses in the police report only add
credibility to the fact. You cant find any statement in any news report that
Laura was drunk. ......Next
Ben Ferguson
> If you have a daughter , i hope she gets killed by a person while DUI like Ted did.
> Maybe then you will pull your head out of your ass and want justice done to the
> criminal.
You are wrong to wish an innocent dead.
Stupendous Man
> "Harrison X. Numbugger" <hnumb...@impeachbush.now> wrote:
>
>> TheRock wrote:
>>> If it was your sister would you be over it ?
>>> Kennedy got away with murder, but there is no doubt of his guilt !
>>
>> there was no murder. grow up you little moron.
>
> Perhaps it was only negligent manslaughter for him to let
> her slowly suffocate while he left the scene to sober up.
> But the point stands, Kennedy is in *no* position to judge
> others.
>
Involuntary manslaughter is what "the little people" would get charged with.
> So? Nixon has been out of office for decades, but Dems
> still can't seem to "get over" him.
Or Reagan for that matter, and all he did was kick Communism's ass and show how evil socialism is.
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conp...@voyager.net
>"Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
>> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
>> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>
>
>Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
>
>Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
>an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
>example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
>
>SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
>
Our Republic (fortunately we do not live in a democracy) will survive
dem damned dastardedly democrat bastards assassinating the character
of Judge Pickering. I just hope I'm in the audience when Leahy and his
democrat toadies in the Senate Judiciary Committee are full-faced
custard pied, and all of us laugh and laugh and laugh...
Dennis
>
>
>
>
>-
>>
>> Pickering Nomination Rejected
>> Judiciary Committee Members Voted Along Party Lines
>>
>> By Jesse J. Holland
>> Associated Press Writer
>> Thursday, March 14, 2002; 6:43 PM
>>
>>
>> The Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee voted along party lines
>> Thursday to kill the nomination of Judge Charles Pickering to the appeals
>> court, handing President Bush a stinging defeat in a racially-charged
>> confirmation battle.
>>
>> In a series of roll calls, the panel also snubbed Bush's request to allow a
>> vote in the full Senate on Pickering, a 64-year-old Mississippian with more
>> than a decade on the bench.
>>
>> Pickering does not have "the temperament, the moderation or the commitment
>> to core constitutional ... protections that is required for a life tenure
>> position" on the appeals court," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, one of an
>> unbroken string of committee Democrats to argue against confirmation.
>>
>> Republicans were equally united in their support of Pickering. Sen. Orrin
>> Hatch, R-Utah, argued that Bush's nominee had been victimized by a smear
>> campaign by liberal interest groups seeking to impose "an ideological litmus
>> test" on abortion, civil rights and other issues.
>>
>> The committee's actions left the nomination all but dead. The GOP leader,
>> Sen. Trent Lott - Pickering's friend and Mississippi patron - has authority
>> to seek a vote by the full Senate, but such efforts are customarily settled
>> on party-line votes.
>>
>> Supporters and opponents of Pickering's confirmation filled the large
>> committee room. Supporters wore pink badges that said "Stop the Bickering
>> Confirm Pickering."
>>
>> The debate, which stretched over more than four hours, ranged far from
>> Pickering's case. Republicans noted - with dissatisfaction - numerous public
>> predictions that the confirmation battle was a warm-up for any Supreme Court
>> nominations that Bush might make.
>>
>> Democrats repeatedly accused Republicans of mistreating many of the
>> nominations made by former President Clinton, to the point of denying
>> hearings for months at a time.
>>
>> Pickering was not present, but his son, Rep. Charles Pickering, R-Miss., had
>> a seat in the front row of the spectators section. "What is happening to
>> your father today is a great injustice," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.,
>> addressing his remarks to the young congressman.
>>
>> Bush made a few late calls on behalf of his beleaguered nominee in the
>> run-up to the committee meeting, but there was no indication that Democrats
>> were wavering in their plan to deny Pickering a floor vote.
>>
>> Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle told reporters the president was "asking
>> us to break a 200-year tradition" of Senate committees holding jurisdiction
>> and responsibility for approving nominations. "I don't know that we can do
>> that," he said.
>>
>> "By failing to allow full Senate votes on judicial nominees, a few senators
>> are standing in the way of justice," Bush had said.
>>
>> Democrats "seek to undermine the nominations of candidates who agree with my
>> philosophy that judges should interpret the law and not try to make law from
>> the bench," the president said at his news conference a little less than 24
>> hours before the committee met.
>>
>> The debate Thursday unfolded along party lines, and it seemed at times as
>> though there were two nominees up for confirmation.
>>
>> The committee chairman, Patrick Leahy, said Pickering "repeatedly injects
>> his own opinions into his decisions on issues ranging from employment
>> discrimination to voting rights."
>>
>> Other Democrats referred to a case in which Pickering had sought a lighter
>> sentence for a defendant on a cross-burning case - a case that Republicans
>> said was misinterpreted by the judge's critics.
>>
>> Democrats said Pickering's ruling in voting rights cases had been overturned
>> by the appeals court. Republicans countered the reversal had to do with
>> attorney fees, not the merits of the case.
>>
>> Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, praised Pickering for "moral courage on the
>> issue of race," demonstrated in 1967 when he testified against a Ku Klux
>> Klan leader in Mississippi.
>>
>> Much of the opposition to Pickering, 64, has come from civil rights groups,
>> which say he supported segregation as a young man in Mississippi.
>> Pickering's opponents also point to his conservative voting record as a
>> Mississippi state lawmaker and decisions as a judge.
>>
>> Supporters, including some Mississippi Democrats and black leaders, cite
>> numerous examples of support for civil rights as far back as the middle
>> 1960s and note that Pickering won Senate confirmation in 1990 to be a U.S.
>> District Court judge.
>>
>> Forty of the 92 Bush judicial nominations have been confirmed by the Senate,
>> most of them District court judges. Seven of Bush's 29 nominees to the U.S.
>> Appeals Court, the regional courts one step below the Supreme Court, have
>> been confirmed.
>>
>>
>> © 2002 The Associated Press
Sam Kinison
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says...
>
>On 15 Mar 2002 04:07:10 -0800, ner...@aol.com (Fox Americana) wrote:
>
>>"Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
>>> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
>>> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
>>> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>>
>>
>>Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
>>
>>Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
>>an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
>>example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
>>
>>SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
>>
>Our Republic (fortunately we do not live in a democracy) will survive
>dem damned dastardedly democrat bastards assassinating the character
>of Judge Pickering. I just hope I'm in the audience when Leahy and his
>democrat toadies in the Senate Judiciary Committee are full-faced
>custard pied, and all of us laugh and laugh and laugh...
>
>Dennis
>
You anti-democratic dopes: don't you realize when *you've* been custard-pied in
the puss?! This is for Judge White and all the other qualifieds you bastids
gypped us of in the Clinton years.
Scott D. Erb
Stupendous Man wrote:
> This is incorrect. They simply stalled and didn't
> process the nominees as fast as Clinton & Co. wanted
> them to. Now if it was simply tit-for-tat with
> Democrats proceeding slowly then I'd just shrug and
> chalk it up to politics.
There were many nominations they rejected. For the
courts, they not only stalled, they refused to consider
them -- arguably something worse than what the
Democrats did in at least taking it to a committee
vote. The Clinton administration learned that only
right of center to moderate nominees had a chance, the
rest would die.
Turnabout is fair play.
Ultimately, the two sides will have to realize that
such games on each side are counter productive, but I
doubt the Democrats will give in until they at least
feel that they've made their point and can trust that
the GOP won't renege on some kind of new procedure as
soon as the tables turn once again (and the tables
always turn).
Sam Kinison
dry cleaned , that $15 would have saved him from all his public embarassment.
Got Brains? wrote:
> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
>
Steve Canyon (Ace)
wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:40:42 GMT, "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"King Pineapple" <saddl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:Bplk8.17154$P4.14...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>>> DNC Low IQ Holder "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fAbk8.461409$eS3.35...@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
>>>
>>> >
>>> > It was 32 years ago. Get over it.
>>>
>>> LOL. How come it's "get over it" when it's something a Democrat did that
>>> long ago, but "relevant" when the future wife of the future President runs
>>a
>>> stop light in 1963? Checkmate.
>>
>>
>>It's only checkmate if you can produce a post in which I have ever mentioned
>>such a thing.
>
>That was me, and it shows the partisan hypocrisy of King Pip. "Moral
>equivalence" is what he might call it.
>
>And of course, he won't address the fact that Putsch and dicky Ticker
>have six DUIs between them, the only ticket with a criminal record in
>American history.
>
>Amazing what utter trash the Right has to use as their "best and
>brightest".
Amazing that someone like zepp that can't control his own eating
habits wants to have control over other people.
>>> Next?
>>>
>>God, I hope not. This was a stupid enough post to retire yourself on.
>>
>
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>she ought to shoplift it."
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Jenn
and let's not forget that Pickering was grotesquely unsuited for the bench
this is a guy who actually lobbied congress for his nomination by
soliciting letters from lawyers dependent on him for decisions -- and
vetted their letters before forwarding them to the committee.
Silverback
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>His hiding out from police for 12 hours till his BAC dropped is in itself and
>admission of his drunken state. The witnesses in the police report only add
>credibility to the fact. You cant find any statement in any news report that
>Laura was drunk. ......Next
but no proof such as a piss test results, right?
>
>
>
>
>
>Got Brains? wrote:
>
>> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
>> news:Mcqk8.1398$Zr3.6...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>> > Cite the news source that said she was drunk .... Next.......
>> >
>> As soon as you cite the one that says that Kennedy was drunk.
>> >
>> > Got Brains? wrote:
>> >
>> > > She was drunk. She lost control of her car and hit another. As a result,
>> the
>> > > person driving the other car is dead.
>> >
>> >
>
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DUI they were able to. Ted hid for 12 hours which convieniently is the time for
your BAC to drop to Zero after drinking heavily like the witneses in the Bar said
he was seen doing.
Scott D. Erb
> In article <3c923a15$0$1612$2c3e...@news.voyager.net>, conp...@voyager.net
> says...
> >Our Republic (fortunately we do not live in a democracy) will survive
> >dem damned dastardedly democrat bastards assassinating the character
> >of Judge Pickering. I just hope I'm in the audience when Leahy and his
> >democrat toadies in the Senate Judiciary Committee are full-faced
> >custard pied, and all of us laugh and laugh and laugh...
> >
> >Dennis
One correction: it is considered proper and acceptable
to use the term "democracy" to refer to democratic
republics of the kind we have in advanced western
societies (often called advanced western democracies).
Indeed, in modern democratic theory a true democracy
has to have attributes that protect individuals and
check the power of the majority. Almost nobody
associates the term 'democracy' with crude majoritarian
rule. It is not wrong to call our system a democracy.
Stupendous Man
Democrats will pay for their dictatorial tactics.
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the end of 2000. As a percentage of GDP, debt held by the public was
highest at the end of World War II, at 109 percent, then fell to 24 percent in
1974 before gradually rising to a peak of 49 percent in the middle 1990s.
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Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>Too bad you dindt get tossed in jail every time you have had a drink and drove. we wouldnt have to read your moronic posts now
>would we ?
Ran out of arguments already? Boy, they must be really scraping the
bottom of the barrel these days.
Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
Oh, I don't know, Ace: unlike you, I'm not a pathological liar who
spends most of his waking hours trying to bully people.
You need help, what ever your name is. How many accounts DO you use
here, anyway? Do you even have a job?
Namenlos
wrote:
>As I stated, stalling is not the same as refusing to consider any nominees
>that don't fit your political profile.
And who was the nominee what "wasn't considered". Quick, whip that
one brain cell into action so you can answer the question.
classicliberal2
<scot...@maine.edu> wrote:
>> Our Republic (fortunately we do not
>> live in a democracy) will survive dem
>> damned dastardedly democrat bastards
>> assassinating the character of Judge
>> Pickering. I just hope I'm in the audience
>> when Leahy and his democrat toadies in
>> the Senate Judiciary Committee are
>> full-faced custard pied, and all of us laugh
>> and laugh and laugh...
>
> One correction: it is considered proper and
> acceptable to use the term "democracy" to
> refer to democratic republics of the kind we
> have in advanced western societies (often
> called advanced western democracies).
> Indeed, in modern democratic theory a true
> democracy has to have attributes that protect
> individuals and check the power of the
> majority. Almost nobody associates the term
> 'democracy' with crude majoritarian rule. It is
> not wrong to call our system a democracy.
___
Thomas Paine
(http://classicliberal.tripod.com/classicliberal/paine.html)
covered this over two centuries ago
(http://classicliberal.tripod.com/classicliberal/lib/rom13.html):
What is called a republic is not any particular
form of government. It is wholly characteristical
of the purport, matter or object for which
government ought to be instituted, and on
which it is to be employed, Res-Publica, the
public affairs, or the public good; or, literally
translated, the public thing. It is a word of a
good original, referring to what ought to be
the character and business of government;
and in this sense it is naturally opposed to
the word monarchy, which has a base original
signification. It means arbitrary power in an
individual person; in the exercise of which,
himself, and not the res-publica, is the object.
Every government that does not act on the
principle of a Republic, or in other words,
that does not make the res-publica its whole
and sole object, is not a good government.
Republican government is no other than
government established and conducted
for the interest of the public, as well
individually as collectively. It is not
necessarily connected with any particular
form, but it most naturally associates with
the representative form, as being best
calculated to secure the end for which a
nation is at the expense of supporting it.
Various forms of government have affected
to style themselves a republic. Poland calls
itself a republic, which is an hereditary
aristocracy, with what is called an elective
monarchy. Holland calls itself a republic,
which is chiefly aristocratical, with an
hereditary stadtholdership. But the
government of America, which is
wholly on the system of representation, is
the only real Republic, in character and in
practice, that now exists. Its government
has no other object than the public business
of the nation, and therefore it is properly a
republic; and the Americans have taken
care that this, and no other, shall always be
the object of their government, by their
rejecting everything hereditary, and
establishing governments on the system of
representation only. Those who have said
that a republic is not a form of government
calculated for countries of great extent,
mistook, in the first place, the business of a
government, for a form of government; for
the res-publica equally appertains to every
extent of territory and population. And, in the
second place, if they meant anything with
respect to form, it was the simple
democratical form, such as was the mode of
government in the ancient democracies, in
which there was no representation. The case,
therefore, is not, that a republic cannot be
extensive, but that it cannot be extensive
on the simple democratical form; and the
question naturally presents itself, What is the
best form of government for conducting the
Res-Publica, or the Public Business of a
nation, after it becomes too extensive and
populous for the simple democratical form?
It cannot be monarchy, because monarchy
is subject to an objection of the same amount
to which the simple democratical form was
subject.
It is possible that an individual may lay down
a system of principles, on which government
shall be constitutionally established to any
extent of territory. This is no more than an
operation of the mind, acting by its own
powers. But the practice upon those
principles, as applying to the various and
numerous circumstances of a nation, its
agriculture, manufacture, trade, commerce,
etc., etc., a knowledge of a different kind,
and which can be had only from the various
parts of society. It is an assemblage of
practical knowledge, which no individual
can possess; and therefore the
monarchical form is as much limited, in
useful practice, from the incompetency of
knowledge, as was the democratical form,
from the multiplicity of population. The one
degenerates, by extension, into confusion;
the other, into ignorance and incapacity, of
which all the great monarchies are an
evidence. The monarchical form, therefore,
could not be a substitute for the
democratical, because it has equal
inconveniences.
Much less could it when made hereditary.
This is the most effectual of all forms to
preclude knowledge. Neither could the
high democratical mind have voluntarily
yielded itself to be governed by children
and idiots, and all the motley insignificance
of character, which attends such a mere
animal system, the disgrace and the
reproach of reason and of man.
As to the aristocratical form, it has the
same vices and defects with the
monarchical, except that the chance
of abilities is better from the proportion
of numbers, but there is still no security
for the right use and application of them.
Referring them to the original simple
democracy, it affords the true data from
which government on a large scale can
begin. It is incapable of extension, not
from its principle, but from the
inconvenience of its form; and monarchy
and aristocracy, from their incapacity.
Retaining, then, democracy as the
ground, and rejecting the corrupt systems
of monarchy and aristocracy, the
representative system naturally presents
itself; remedying at once the defects of
the simple democracy as to form, and
the incapacity of the other two with
respect to knowledge.
Simple democracy was society governing
itself without the aid of secondary means.
By ingrafting representation upon
democracy, we arrive at a system of
government capable of embracing and
confederating all the various interests and
every extent of territory and population; and
that also with advantages as much superior
to hereditary government, as the republic of
letters is to hereditary literature.
It is on this system that the American
government is founded. It is representation
ingrafted upon democracy. It has fixed the
form by a scale parallel in all cases to the
extent of the principle... It is the easiest of
all the forms of government to be understood
and the most eligible in practice; and excludes
at once the ignorance and insecurity of the
hereditary mode, and the inconvenience of
the simple democracy.
Sam Kinison
opne you just posted below.
Steve Canyon (Ace)
<ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
Poor little zeppins... did the big bad bully call momma's little
chublet a fatso?
Wasn't that a totally politically incorrect thing to do?
>You need help, what ever your name is.
You can call me Mr, Canyon, and no, I don't need any help. I'm one of
those folks that get's things done by himself. You wouldn't know
about such things would you?
>How many accounts DO you use
>here, anyway?
Just one. Does it seem like more?
>Do you even have a job?
Hell no. Got money....
How 'bout you?
Living off the Gov?
--Ace
Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush
<thepa...@dont.tread.on.me> wrote:
Still retreating behind your brave derision to conceal your
incompetence, I see.
>
>Wasn't that a totally politically incorrect thing to do?
>
>>You need help, what ever your name is.
>
>You can call me Mr, Canyon, and no, I don't need any help. I'm one of
>those folks that get's things done by himself. You wouldn't know
>about such things would you?
You must have some really sick fucks for parents, naming a poor kid
after a mediocre cold war comic strip like that. I wonder if that
explains your massive inferiority complex and your bellicose
pseudo=patriotism?
>
>>How many accounts DO you use
>>here, anyway?
>
>Just one. Does it seem like more?
Oh, I think it's more than one.
>
>>Do you even have a job?
>
>Hell no. Got money....
>
Nothing you've earned, I'm sure.
>How 'bout you?
Work for a living. Productive.
>
>Living off the Gov?
>
Nope.
>
>--Ace
Steve Canyon (Ace)
<ze...@snowcrest.net> wrote:
<chuckle> you'e the one whining about bullies porkchop.
>>Wasn't that a totally politically incorrect thing to do?
>>
>>>You need help, what ever your name is.
>>
>>You can call me Mr, Canyon, and no, I don't need any help. I'm one of
>>those folks that get's things done by himself. You wouldn't know
>>about such things would you?
>
>You must have some really sick fucks for parents, naming a poor kid
>after a mediocre cold war comic strip like that.
Yo momma wears army boots too, Zeppins.
> I wonder if that
>explains your massive inferiority complex and your bellicose
>pseudo=patriotism?
Actually I'm not much of a patriot at all. I just said that to stir
you maggots up, sort of like pissing on an anthill. I generally think
the government sucks snot through a garden hose but I think it's
pretty grand when they go off and slap the terrorists silly. I hope
they have a big parade when they're done.
>>>How many accounts DO you use
>>>here, anyway?
>>
>>Just one. Does it seem like more?
>
>Oh, I think it's more than one.
Booo! Quick, look behind you.
>>>Do you even have a job?
>>
>>Hell no. Got money....
>>
>Nothing you've earned, I'm sure.
You're not even sure what your pecker looks like.
>>How 'bout you?
>
>Work for a living. Productive.
Good, good, you know what they say about idle hands...
Let me know when you're done.. I've got a few other things for you to
scrub out.
>>Living off the Gov?
>>
>Nope.
Santa might be good to you, someday... Keep wishing
>>--Ace
--Ace
George of the Jungle
"xofpi" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:ezlk8.7078$15....@www.newsranger.com...
> In article <25b22837.02031...@posting.google.com>, Fox
Americana
> says...news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> >> There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto
the
> >> Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval,
he's
> >> screwed when he gets back below 50%.
> >
> >
> >
> >Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
> >an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
> >example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
> >
> >SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
>
>
>
> judiciary. Repubs were the ones who started the effort to pack the courts
with
> partisans by blocking Clinton's nominees. Pickering paid for their sins.
It
> looks like he won't be the last to make the ultimate Federalist Society
> sacrifice.
Well, let's tell the truth, shall we?
NAME THE JUDICIAL APPOINTEES OF CLINTON THAT WERE "BORKED" BY THE REPUBLICAN
CONTROLLED SENATE!
You democrats have been telling this lie that the Republicans "borked"
Clinton appointees for months now. Back it up or admit that you are full of
shit.
Because YOU ARE full of shit. Here is the record:
From: http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/106stats.htm
http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/nomstats.htm
TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON NOMINEES CONFIRMED DURING THE 106TH CONGRESS : 73
TOTAL NUMBER OF NOMINEES CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE DURING 105th CONGRESS, 101
You lose, liar!!
>
> Shame on the Republicans. Viva Democratic Obstructionism!!
Fuck the Democrats! Your side started a war that will ultimately destroy
you and the People for the American Way. Count on it!
--
Why we can't reason with the leftwing. Selected "wisdom" from Omaha, NE's
mhi...@radiks.net.
"In case you did'nt know, Bungster, radiks is one of the many, MANY
ISPsbought up byEarthlink, second only to AOL in nationwide subscribers.
Good luck trying to locate me NOW, Fucko! :)" 12/28/01
[This was submitted from: 1Cust42.tnt1.omaha.ne.da.uu.net. Apparently this
shit-for-brained leftlist has no idea how 'net really works]
"A flag-laden car might as well say "Fuckheaded Hypocrite on Board"."
12/19/01
"PUH-LEESE! The only job you can get is sucking repug cock and kissing
Dubcula's ass, and King Pineapple's already got THAT position secured."
12/31/01
"Hell, I'd even be satified at seeing *CB*'s or Pineassholes heads on a
stick!" 1/9/02
"Bullshit nothing, fucktard!" 1/9/02
"I've posted it before already weeks ago. Go fucking find it yourself!"
1/9/02
"That's funny. MY two rottweilers (Tyson and "Sam") just buttfucked your
little Aimee, and now they're dining on her carcass."
George of the Jungle
You democrap lying thugs: Name ALL the so-called "qualifieds" that the
republicans "gypped" Clinton? The record tells a MUCH different story. In
fact, Clinton got almost every nominee approved.
From: http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/106stats.htm
http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/nomstats.htm
TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON NOMINEES CONFIRMED DURING THE 106TH CONGRESS : 73
TOTAL NUMBER OF NOMINEES CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE DURING 105th CONGRESS, 101
I'm getting sick and tired of your fucking lies.
Weasel Zepp
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>Laura didnt Flee the scene like Ted Kennedy did. If Police wanted to test her for
>DUI they were able to. Ted hid for 12 hours which convieniently is the time for
>your BAC to drop to Zero after drinking heavily like the witneses in the Bar said
>he was seen doing.
You believe the BAC drops to zero in 12 hours?
Do you believe in the tooth fairy, too?
>
>
>
>
>
>Silverback wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:57:36 GMT, Sam Kinison <"Sam "@
>> OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>>
>> >His hiding out from police for 12 hours till his BAC dropped is in itself and
>> >admission of his drunken state. The witnesses in the police report only add
>> >credibility to the fact. You cant find any statement in any news report that
>> >Laura was drunk. ......Next
>>
>> but no proof such as a piss test results, right?
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Got Brains? wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Sam Kinison" <"Sam "@ OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:Mcqk8.1398$Zr3.6...@news1.news.adelphia.net...
>> >> > Cite the news source that said she was drunk .... Next.......
>> >> >
>> >> As soon as you cite the one that says that Kennedy was drunk.
>> >> >
>> >> > Got Brains? wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > She was drunk. She lost control of her car and hit another. As a result,
>> >> the
>> >> > > person driving the other car is dead.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>>
>> =====================================================
>>
>> GDY Weasel
>> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>>
>> The Nazi Hydra in America an online book of the
>> fascist influence in America.
>>
>> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
>>
>> ===================================================
**************************************
Weasel Zepp
OhhhhhOhhhhhhhhhhhh.com> wrote:
>No , just got tired fo responding to mindless posts that liberals make to dodge the origional posters argument , just like the
>opne you just posted below.
If the original poster had made an argument, you would be repeating it
here.
But that isn't gonna happen, is it?
Poor Sammy. No matter how often you change your name, you are still
outwitted and outclassed.
>
>
>"Zepp, No Weasels in the Bush" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ran out of arguments already? Boy, they must be really scraping the
>> bottom of the barrel these days.
**************************************
George of the Jungle
news:3C91E96C...@worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Fox Americana wrote:
>
> > "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message
news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> > > There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto
the
> > > Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval,
he's
> > > screwed when he gets back below 50%.
> >
> >
> > Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
> >
> > Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
> > an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
> > example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
> >
> > SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
>
appointments on ideological grounds,
> and now they think the Democrats should just give in to anything they
want?
Name them!
Because the truth is completely different from the lies you democrats have
been telling to justify your character assassination tactics and the use of
personal destruction to "bork" Pickering.
From: http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/106stats.htm
http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/nomstats.htm
TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON NOMINEES CONFIRMED DURING THE 106TH CONGRESS : 73
TOTAL NUMBER OF NOMINEES CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE DURING 105th CONGRESS, 101
Clinton got one of the highest percentages of confirmation of any US
President in the 20th Century. This when REPUBLICANS controlled the Senate
for 4 of his 8 years.
As long as you democrats persist in this lie, you will engender no respect
from thinking people. In fact, all it does is confirm that democrats use
propaganda and tell lies.
I think you people have started something that you democrats will regret
before it is all over.
George of the Jungle
news:3C91FA9A...@maine.edu...
>
>
> Fox Americana wrote:
> >
> > Judge Pickering is well and completely qualified for the position.
> >
> > Leftwing extremists are clearly calling the shots at the DNC,
> > as puppets daschle and kennedy dance to their demagoguery,
> > mindless marionettes on the strings of the socialist leftwing.
> >
> > SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
>
> But it was OK when the GOP did the same thing to many
> of Clinton's nominees?
Sorry, chum. It didn't happen that way.
From: http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/106stats.htm
http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/nomstats.htm
TOTAL NUMBER OF CLINTON NOMINEES CONFIRMED DURING THE 106TH CONGRESS : 73
TOTAL NUMBER OF NOMINEES CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE DURING 105th CONGRESS, 101
Clinton achieved a remarkable percentage of successful nominations, among
the highest of any President in the 20th Century. In fact, his record of
374 confirmations is the 2nd higest in US history.
>
> Turn about is fair play, that's politics. What the GOP
> did was shameful, maybe its shameful for the Democrats
> to do the same thing back (though, arguably, they
> aren't doing it as often as the GOP did), but certainly
> you can see their position that if the GOP is going to
> play that game, they can't just fold when the tables
> turn.
1. Using this concept to justify "borking" Pickering is childish. Further,
it is another example of moral equivalency -- "you did it too" -- used to
justify committing a "wrong" act.
2. The democrats use this moral equivalency to divert attention from THEIR
behavior, so that their misconduct can continue.
3. It is a lie, because it didn't happen as you state during Clinton.
Further, the plain truth is that the Democrats started this partisan
activity during the Nixon administration. It has become an arrow in the
democratic party's quiver of character assassination. It became so
obnoxious during the confirmation hearings of Judge Bork that a term was
coined for it: "Borking."
The democrats have lit the match that will start the fuze of their one
destruction because of this partisan activity. I have never seen
Republicans so angry -- even at the local level. The democrats have
singlehandedly moved political rivalry and partisanship from rhetoric
towards a condition that could lead to violence. If professor and former
appellate judge and liberal US representative Abner Mikva's advice is
followed (as it seems more likely than not) that democrats should prevent
ANY Bush judicial nomination form succeeding (under the theory that Bush is
not the legitimate President) the reaction will permanent poison polity and
Republicans will have no reason to refrain from political violence in
retaliation. And that would be very serious and dangerous.
Catering to the demands of the People for the American Way and other leftist
groups could cost the democrats the south next November -- according to Zell
Miller. In fact, it may even cost us our republic as well.
Scott D. Erb
George of the Jungle wrote:
>
> 1. Using this concept to justify "borking" Pickering is childish. Further,
> it is another example of moral equivalency -- "you did it too" -- used to
> justify committing a "wrong" act.
That dog don't hunt, George. Politics is politics and after what the GOP did to
Clinton nominees in many positions, they have to expect a tough Democratic
response. You can of course bitch and moan about it and try to make it a
campaign issue if you want. Politics is politics, kid.
No one can deny the way Republicans stalled and killed numerous Clinton
nominees, and forced Clinton to only nominate center to right candidates. The
Democrats have been giving Bush most of what he wants, including Ashcroft and
every other major nominee.
So quit whining and trying and stop the false self-righteousness. It makes you
look hypocritical.
Ben Ferguson
> Thats no worse than belittling a dead woman in Chappaquiddick like the response posters did .
That doesn't make it ok for you to respond with another childish
response. If you really wre offended, show your maturity by think of a
wiser response.
George of the Jungle
>
>
> George of the Jungle wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. Using this concept to justify "borking" Pickering is childish.
Further,
> > it is another example of moral equivalency -- "you did it too" -- used
to
> > justify committing a "wrong" act.
>
> That dog don't hunt, George. Politics is politics and after what the GOP
did to
> Clinton nominees in many positions, they have to expect a tough Democratic
> response. You can of course bitch and moan about it and try to make it a
> campaign issue if you want. Politics is politics, kid.
Name the Clinton nominees that were borked? If you can.
In fact, there weren't any Clinton nominees that were borked. Not the way
Ashcroft was, not the way Chavez was, not the way Norton was, and not the
way Pickering was. The fact that Ashcroft and Norton were confirmed does
NOT excuse the way over 200 liberal/leftwing/marxist organizations tried to
first destroy them in order to prevent their confirmation.
>
> No one can deny the way Republicans stalled and killed numerous Clinton
> nominees, and forced Clinton to only nominate center to right candidates.
I've asked you before in other posts to name them.
NAME THEM!
The fact is, you can't, because the entire "justification" is a lie. Only
democrats "bork" -- not republicans.
"Borking" was a democratic party invention. It consists of character
assassination, outright lies, over the top rhetoric, and raking up the sins
of the distant past.
If REPUBLICANS did it, they'd arrange for pork-stealing Senator Byrd to be
lynched because he was a Klansman and drown Ted Kennedy in a tub of water
because he was a womanizing, drunken whoremonger who killed a woman and
failed to report it for over 12 hours.
If you folks want to be bastards and justify it by using the fiction that
Republicans did it first (and it *IS* a fiction), then you have many more
politicians vulnerable than the Republicans because YOU people ran the
Congress for 40 years and left an awfully lot of bodies in closets waiting
to be exposed to the light.
Remember the "House Bank?"
>
> So quit whining and trying and stop the false self-righteousness. It
makes you
> look hypocritical.
>
Fuck you.
The democraps stepped OVER the line on this issue. They have gone far
beyond "politics" this time. They have sown the winds and will reap the
whirlwind.
ken...@shangrila.net
xofpi wrote:
> In article <3C921C2B...@maine.edu>, Scott D. Erb says...
> >
> >
> >
> >ken...@shangrila.net wrote:
> >>
> >> "Scott D. Erb" wrote:
> >>
> >> > Fox Americana wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "Got Brains?" <no...@nopam.net> wrote in message news:<x4bk8.88342$uv5.6...@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...
> >> > > > There is hope for the future, when Dubya tries to force his will onto the
> >> > > > Supreme Court. If he can't jam through Pickering with 74% approval, he's
> >> > > > screwed when he gets back below 50%.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bush should appoint Judge Pickering via recess appointment!
> >> > >
> >> > > Dems should be deeply ashamed for smearing Judge Pickering,
> >> > > an extraordinarily qualified Judge, in yet another shameful
> >> > > example of mean-spirited "politics of personal destruction".
> >> > >
> >> > > SHAME ON DEMOCRATS.
> >> >
> >> > What comes around goes around. The Republicans skewered qualified Clinton appointments on ideological grounds,
> >> > and now they think the Democrats should just give in to anything they want?
> >> >
> >> > I don't think so.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, almost all of Bush's appointments to appeals courts have been approved, and the Democrats haven't used
> >> > this power as often and as blatantly as the Republicans. If the GOP hadn't started bottling up Clinton
> >> > appointments in the way they did, then it wouldn't have gotten to this point. Turn about is fair play.
> >> >
> >> > Sure, make a recess appointment. That can be part of the game, though that can also hurt the long term ability of
> >> > Bush to get what he wants from Congress. This is politics. And the Democrats are giving back to the GOP what the
> >> > GOP dished out. Shame on both? Perhaps. But it would be naive for the GOP to think they can get away with it
> >> > while a Democrat is in power and then expect the Democrats to fold once they get power.
> >>
> >> Pickering, like Ashcroft, is not a man who should be in charge of others' >lives.
> >
> >If one were going to win approval and one not, I wish
> >it would have been the other way around.
>
> I agree with you on that.
You both have a good point, but once George the Lesser is out of there, hopefully soon, Ashcroft is history. Judges are
forever.
hamilton
of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote:
> "Scott D. Erb" <scot...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C934BCB...@worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >
> > George of the Jungle wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 1. Using this concept to justify "borking" Pickering is childish.
> Further,
> > > it is another example of moral equivalency -- "you did it too" -- used
> to
> > > justify committing a "wrong" act.
> >
> > That dog don't hunt, George. Politics is politics and after what the GOP
> did to
> > Clinton nominees in many positions, they have to expect a tough Democratic
> > response. You can of course bitch and moan about it and try to make it a
> > campaign issue if you want. Politics is politics, kid.
>
> Name the Clinton nominees that were borked? If you can.
>
> In fact, there weren't any Clinton nominees that were borked. Not the way
> Ashcroft was, not the way Chavez was, not the way Norton was, and not the
> way Pickering was. The fact that Ashcroft and Norton were confirmed does
> NOT excuse the way over 200 liberal/leftwing/marxist organizations tried to
> first destroy them in order to prevent their confirmation.
it is not unAmerican to critize the record of nominees -- 'borking' is a
silly concept. Bork was manifestly unfit to be on the SC -- his
subsequent writings and behavior show us how we managed to dodge a bullet
there. The testimony against Ashcroft and Pickering is spot on. And
Ashcroft's behavior in office is an insult to those democratic Senators
who refused to stand up against him -- the man is a disgrace.
Pickering's attempt to bully lawyers practicing in his courtroom to
support his nomination clinches the argument that this man is unfit for
the bench.
Scott Erb
"George of the Jungle" <anti...@nospam.forme.edu> wrote in message
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> "Scott D. Erb" <scot...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C934BCB...@worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >
> > George of the Jungle wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 1. Using this concept to justify "borking" Pickering is childish.
> Further,
> > > it is another example of moral equivalency -- "you did it too" -- used
> to
> > > justify committing a "wrong" act.
> >
> > That dog don't hunt, George. Politics is politics and after what the
GOP
> did to
> > Clinton nominees in many positions, they have to expect a tough
Democratic
> > response. You can of course bitch and moan about it and try to make it
a
> > campaign issue if you want. Politics is politics, kid.
>
> Name the Clinton nominees that were borked? If you can.
>
> In fact, there weren't any Clinton nominees that were borked. Not the way
> Ashcroft was, not the way Chavez was, not the way Norton was, and not the
> way Pickering was. The fact that Ashcroft and Norton were confirmed does
> NOT excuse the way over 200 liberal/leftwing/marxist organizations tried
to
> first destroy them in order to prevent their confirmation.
Are you kidding??!!! Do you know how many nominations were allowed to die
for lack of action, and how many were held up. Jesse Helms refused to hold
hearings on some.
Nope, you don't have an argument. Turnabout is fair play and I guess you
liked it when the shoe was on the other foot, but it bugs you now.
Tough. Now quit whining and deal with the fact that politics is rough and
if your party is going to play tough, the other party will respond.