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Trace  
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 More options May 17, 2:47 am
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From: Trace <tracey12...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 2:47 am
Subject: Freedom or State Security?
Take your pick because you can't have both.

As we are increasingly aware, handing your security over to government
is a dangerous thing to do because government never controls itself.
It forever seeks to gain total control and power over everything.
This simple rule has been seen throughout history, and unfortunately,
it is still true of our state, national and local governments.

Can you think up a reason why our founding fathers spent so much time
and effort on producing a Bill of Rights and Constitution?

Maybe they were closer to the fire than we are today.  Maybe they
lived through exposure to Big Government and all its tyrannical ways.
Maybe we had better wake up before we are so secure, we have no
freedom left.


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 More options May 17, 4:02 am
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From: ffra...@mailandnews.com
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 4:02 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On May 16, 11:47 pm, Trace <tracey12...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Take your pick because you can't have both.

> As we are increasingly aware, handing your security over to government
> is a dangerous thing to do because government never controls itself.
> It forever seeks to gain total control and power over everything.
> This simple rule has been seen throughout history, and unfortunately,
> it is still true of our state, national and local governments.

> Can you think up a reason why our founding fathers spent so much time
> and effort on producing a Bill of Rights and Constitution?

> Maybe they were closer to the fire than we are today.  Maybe they
> lived through exposure to Big Government and all its tyrannical ways.
> Maybe we had better wake up before we are so secure, we have no
> freedom left.

Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.

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 More options May 17, 4:42 am
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From: "Jerk Y. Chainey" <je...@chainey.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 03:42:55 -0500
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 4:42 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On 17 May 2008,  wrote:

> Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
> temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.

"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
 -Ben Franklin

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 More options May 17, 9:24 am
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From: "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 9:24 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On May 17, 1:02 am, ffra...@mailandnews.com wrote:

War on Terror = the Forever War
Perhaps Big Brother needs more authority to extract confessions
out of citizens? Are you for it or against? Don't stress about it,
until local PD puts you in a stress position.

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 More options May 17, 11:05 am
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From: Zomby-W...@cox.net
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:05:09 -0400
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 11:05 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT), ffra...@mailandnews.com
wrote:

The minute you do that the War on Terror is lost -- Whoops since we
already did why hasn't the White Flag been raised?

Ya see the entire purpose of Terrorism is to get a Government to make
these types of changes, which causes the people to loose faith in
their Government, which in turn forces a change in said Government.
All-in-all it appears to be working.

Personally I don't fly commercial aircraft anymore not because of
Terrorists, but because of being treated like one when I show up at
the Airport.  If the people at the Airport are going to constantly be
asking me to "Show us your papers", they should at least be doing so
in a German accent!
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli


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 More options May 17, 11:05 am
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From: Zomby-W...@cox.net
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:05:37 -0400
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 11:05 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On Sat, 17 May 2008 03:42:55 -0500, "Jerk Y. Chainey"

<je...@chainey.com> wrote:
>On 17 May 2008,  wrote:

>> Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
>> temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.

>"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
> -Ben Franklin

Ben was wise, and a horny old goat.
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"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

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Trace  
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 More options May 17, 4:31 pm
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From: Trace <tracey12...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On May 17, 10:05 am, Zomby-W...@cox.net wrote:

Personally I don't fly commercial aircraft anymore not because of
Terrorists, but because of being treated like one when I show up at
the Airport.  If the people at the Airport are going to constantly be
asking me to "Show us your papers", they should at least be doing so
in a German accent!
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

HAHA!  I bet they are taking courses even now on how to sound German.
Call the CPS office and see if they don't answer with a German accent.


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 More options May 17, 11:39 pm
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From: "Hertz Donut" <some...@outthere.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:39:19 -1000
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 11:39 pm
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?

"Jerk Y. Chainey" <je...@chainey.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AA11277C8130swmjhcde@216.168.3.44...

> On 17 May 2008,  wrote:

>> Do you want your freedom, or do you want security? We might have to
>> temporarily give up some of our rights until the War on Terror is won.

> "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
> -Ben Franklin

Those that do not understand that you cannot have one without the other are
idiots.

Honu


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 More options May 17, 11:40 pm
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From: "Hertz Donut" <some...@outthere.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:40:33 -1000
Local: Sat, May 17 2008 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?

<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:3e47bc1c-df60-400f-b6ba-373fe6f48c80@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 17, 1:02 am, ffra...@mailandnews.com wrote:

Have you always been pig-ignorant, or is it something you had to work at to
achieve?

Honu


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 More options May 18, 12:18 am
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From: "Jerk Y. Chainey" <je...@chainey.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:18:39 -0500
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 12:18 am
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On 17 May 2008, Hertz Donut wrote:

Man, you look so pale and weak next to Ben.

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 More options May 18, 1:29 pm
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From: Zomby-W...@cox.net
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:29:25 -0400
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?
On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:39:19 -1000, "Hertz Donut"

Very easy to have Security without any liberties what so ever.  Matter
of fact it is the easiest form of Security to implement.
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli

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 More options May 18, 8:14 pm
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From: Trace <tracey12...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:14:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, May 18 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: Freedom or State Security?