Hey, you! Joe Sixpack!!!

Zigler

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Oct 4, 2008, 6:59:04 PM10/4/08

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Yet another fucking joke from the senile camp...

Little Miss Hickass, doggone it, is just a "reglar Joe Sixpack like
you and me"...

Total net worth: 1.2 MILLION...

http://blogs.wsj.com/wallet/2008/10/03/sarah-palin-millionaire/?mod=googlenews_wsj

Joe Sixpack, my bloody fucking ass.

So much for "bearing false witness" (BALD FACE LYING)...

miles

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Zigler wrote:

> Total net worth: 1.2 MILLION...

> Joe Sixpack, my bloody fucking ass.

1.2 million isn't much these days. Most middle class families aren't
far off. Add up house, cars, 401ks, etc. and a million isn't much any
more. She's hardly in the same class as the Washington elite
politicians of many.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 1:15:07 PM10/5/08

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"miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
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Palin cannot answer questions.
Palin still needs to be concealed from the press
Palin distorts and lies at every speech she makes
Palin has become an albatross on McCain's neck
Palin is one more attack of Malignant Melonoma
from the presidency.

McCain is a life long loser exactly like bush,jr
McCain is a product of privilege and power having
never achieved anything on his own
McCain is a republican.....nuf said.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

or

http://tinyurl.com/3toabc

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 1:25:36 PM10/5/08

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Sid9 wrote:
> "miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:Ku6Gk.18210$I44....@newsfe03.iad...
>> Zigler wrote:
>>
>>> Total net worth: 1.2 MILLION...
>>> Joe Sixpack, my bloody fucking ass.
>> 1.2 million isn't much these days. Most middle
>> class families aren't far off. Add up house,
>> cars, 401ks, etc. and a million isn't much any
>> more. She's hardly in the same class as the
>> Washington elite politicians of many.
>
> Palin cannot answer questions.

lol, you accuse Palin of such and yet here you completely change the
subject to suit your biased needs? Too funny!

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 1:47:22 PM10/5/08

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"miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message

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Looks like the thread is about Palin....

This post......

Palin cannot answer questions.
Palin still needs to be concealed from the press
Palin distorts and lies at every speech she makes
Palin has become an albatross on McCain's neck
Palin is one more attack of Malignant Melonoma
from the presidency

...Is about Palin

(See subject line)

Miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:02:38 PM10/5/08

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Sid9 wrote:

> Looks like the thread is about Palin....

lol, it was about 1 subject regarding Palin to which you can't debate so
you do what you accuse Palin of, side track away.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:41:43 PM10/5/08

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"Miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
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IT IS ABOUT Palin.

Like Palin, I am not answering the question the
way you would like me to.

Please do not be so cowardly as to delete my
message.

I don't delete yours. (See subject line)

Palin cannot answer questions.
Palin still needs to be concealed from the press
Palin distorts and lies at every speech she makes
Palin has become an albatross on McCain's neck
Palin is one more attack of Malignant Melonoma
from the presidency

...Is about Palin.

McCain will lose.
One of the reasons will be his bad judgment in
choosing Palin

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:44:20 PM10/5/08

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:Zb8Gk.41349$2J7....@newsfe02.iad...
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the thread is about Palin....
>>
>> lol, it was about 1 subject regarding Palin to which you can't debate so
>> you do what you accuse Palin of, side track away.
>
> IT IS ABOUT Palin.
>
> Like Palin, I am not answering the question the way you would like me to.
>
> Please do not be so cowardly as to delete my message.
>
> I don't delete yours. (See subject line)
>
>
>
> Palin cannot answer questions.

Do you address the questions Obama and/or Biden do not answer? After all,
the last debate, Gwen made a point out of Biden not answering her questions.
Problaby not.

> Palin still needs to be concealed from the press

She has been in front of the press.

> Palin distorts and lies at every speech she makes

Do you address the distortions and lies by the Obama/Biden camp?
Probably not.

> Palin has become an albatross on McCain's neck

Palin scares you.

> Palin is one more attack of Malignant Melonoma
> from the presidency

I think she scares you.

>
> ...Is about Palin.
>
> McCain will lose.
> One of the reasons will be his bad judgment in choosing Palin

And if things get worse under Obama/Biden, where can we find you so we can
question your judgment?

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:47:24 PM10/5/08

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ObKY20 wrote:

> Palin scares you.

> I think she scares you.

How could an ignorant creationist bimbo scare anyone?

What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be voting
for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist Bush regime.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:49:57 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb5lr$s3n$1...@aioe.org...

> ObKY20 wrote:
>
>> Palin scares you.
>
>> I think she scares you.
>
> How could an ignorant creationist bimbo scare anyone?

Well obvioiusly she is far smarter than you.
How far have you gotten? She has been a mayor, a Governor, and without any
hesitation and not being ready, she accepted a challenge.
For that, I think she deserves credit.

>
> What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be voting
> for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist Bush regime.

Is anyone voting for you?

Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 3:59:26 PM10/5/08

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ObKY20 wrote:
>
> "kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb5lr$s3n$1...@aioe.org...
>> ObKY20 wrote:
>>
>>> Palin scares you.
>>
>>> I think she scares you.
>>
>> How could an ignorant creationist bimbo scare anyone?
>
> Well obvioiusly she is far smarter than you.

Her theory of cosmological and geological history is particularly succinct.

> How far have you gotten?

I'm on my second cup of coffee today!

> She has been a mayor, a Governor, and without
> any hesitation and not being ready, she accepted a challenge.

Her challenge now is to admit that she was spectacularly wrong.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney haven't admitted that yet, so I'm sure
Sarah Palin is never going to admit it. These people are inflexible.

> For that, I think she deserves credit.

Has she publicly admitted that she was spectacularly wrong about
cosmology and planetary science yet? Somehow, I must have missed it.

>> What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be
>> voting for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist
>> Bush regime.
>
> Is anyone voting for you?

My scientific peers?

> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.

You mean published.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:07:55 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb6ce$gs$1...@aioe.org...

LOL...

right..:o)

>
>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>
> You mean published.

Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:09:53 PM10/5/08

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In other words, you are defending young Earth creationism.

>>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>>
>> You mean published.
>
> Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)

You are a young Earth creationist. Nothing funny about that.

May I suggest a more modern book? - http://www.arxiv.org

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:12:09 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb700$1hh$1...@aioe.org...

Oh? Where did I say that?
I am just laughing at you.

>
>>>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>>>
>>> You mean published.
>>
>> Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)
>
> You are a young Earth creationist. Nothing funny about that.

Oh? Well, you certainly proven you're not the scientific genius..that's for
sure.
:o)

You're funny though.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:15:57 PM10/5/08

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You are defending Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin is a young Earth creationist.

I am not laughing. I am responding to your stupidity.

>>>>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>>>>
>>>> You mean published.
>>>
>>> Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)
>>
>> You are a young Earth creationist. Nothing funny about that.
>
> Oh? Well, you certainly proven you're not the scientific genius..that's
> for sure.

> You're funny though.

You aren't funny.

Young Earth creationism is not funny.

The destruction of America by the Bush regime is not funny.

The continued support of Bush creationist policies by 'Joe Sixpacks' and
'Sarah Bimbos' is pathetic, really. It requires a continuous response.

It is my patriotic duty to confront assholes like you.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:18:32 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb7bd$4pu$1...@aioe.org...

Actually, I'm not. I'll give her credit where credit is due but I'm not
defending her for a VP.
I don't think she is ready. Giving someone credit where credit is due, is
not always the same as
defending them.
You're not very bright, are you?

> Sarah Palin is a young Earth creationist.
>
> I am not laughing. I am responding to your stupidity.

And I'm laughing at yours.

>
>>>>>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean published.
>>>>
>>>> Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)
>>>
>>> You are a young Earth creationist. Nothing funny about that.
>>
>> Oh? Well, you certainly proven you're not the scientific genius..that's
>> for sure.
>
>> You're funny though.
>
> You aren't funny.

You are though..:o)
I'm going to snip the rest of your dribble, do you mind?
Acknowledging ignorant and assumptions isn't a good thing.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:28:50 PM10/5/08

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Good for you. Admitting you were wrong about Sarah Palin is the first
step of a 12 step program of acknowledgment - of the veracity of
scientific methods to solve your problems and create knowledge and
understanding. You are well on your way to recovery. Congratulations!

> I don't think she is ready.

Good for you. Your vote is none of my business. I just find it alarming
that so many people still buy into the creationist bullshit at the heart
of almost all of America's educational, financial and military problems.

> Giving someone credit where credit is due,
> is not always the same as
> defending them.

Sure, she's gonna pull down a big Hollywood contract out of this.

I'll credit her that. And the ignorant public will eat it up like shit.

> You're not very bright, are you?

Indeed I am not. But I know where to find out what I need to know.

And I am able to admit when I am spectacularly wrong. What these young
Earth creationists need to do is redeem themselves before their God(s).

Until they do that, they will be unable to recover from anything.

>> Sarah Palin is a young Earth creationist.
>>
>> I am not laughing. I am responding to your stupidity.
>
> And I'm laughing at yours.

Join the club. You're late to the party.

>>>>>>> Oh yea, you've gotten nowhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean published.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh puh-lease, enough with the comedy..:o)
>>>>
>>>> You are a young Earth creationist. Nothing funny about that.
>>>
>>> Oh? Well, you certainly proven you're not the scientific
>>> genius..that's for sure.
>>
>>> You're funny though.
>>
>> You aren't funny.
>
> You are though..:o)

> I'm going to snip the rest of your dribble, do you mind?

Not at all, it's a free usenet.

> Acknowledging ignorant and assumptions isn't a good thing.

I can parse that, I think.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:34:18 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb83i$81p$1...@aioe.org...

See, now you're acting like a leftie.
First: I never admitted any such thing.
Second: I'll give her credit, just like I would give anyone credit, when
credit is due.
I could give you credit for being intelligent, but then I would be lying.

>
>> I don't think she is ready.
>
> Good for you. Your vote is none of my business. I just find it alarming
> that so many people still buy into the creationist bullshit at the heart
> of almost all of America's educational, financial and military problems.

I'm not even talking about creation, never was.

>
>> Giving someone credit where credit is due, is not always the same as
>> defending them.
>
> Sure, she's gonna pull down a big Hollywood contract out of this.
>
> I'll credit her that. And the ignorant public will eat it up like shit.
>
>> You're not very bright, are you?
>
> Indeed I am not.

Well, we agree on something.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:43:48 PM10/5/08

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I am talking about young Earth creationism. I'm also talking about the
abject ignorance and apathy of 'Joe Sixpack' and 'Sarah Bimbo' about how
the universe works, and the history of the United States of America.

>>> Giving someone credit where credit is due, is not always the same as
>>> defending them.
>>
>> Sure, she's gonna pull down a big Hollywood contract out of this.
>>
>> I'll credit her that. And the ignorant public will eat it up like shit.
>>
>>> You're not very bright, are you?
>>
>> Indeed I am not.
>
> Well, we agree on something.

I continue with my abilities to learn new things, and you don't.

Thus, your problems remain :

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

http://www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/

In a word : youbefucked.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:53:36 PM10/5/08

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
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>
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:JG8Gk.48157$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>
>> "Miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
>> news:Zb8Gk.41349$2J7....@newsfe02.iad...
>>> Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like the thread is about Palin....
>>>
>>> lol, it was about 1 subject regarding Palin to
>>> which you can't debate so you do what you
>>> accuse Palin of, side track away.
>>
>> IT IS ABOUT Palin.
>>
>> Like Palin, I am not answering the question the
>> way you would like me to.
>>
>> Please do not be so cowardly as to delete my
>> message.
>>
>> I don't delete yours. (See subject line)
>>
>>
>>
>> Palin cannot answer questions.
>
> Do you address the questions Obama and/or Biden
> do not answer? After all, the last debate, Gwen
> made a point out of Biden not answering her
> questions.
> Problaby not.
>
>
>> Palin still needs to be concealed from the
>> press
>
> She has been in front of the press.
>

She has not had ONE press conference.
She has been sequestered by the McCain campaign.
McCain FEARS what she might say exposing his poor
judgment in cooding her

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 4:55:42 PM10/5/08

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
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>
> "kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message
> news:gcb5lr$s3n$1...@aioe.org...
>> ObKY20 wrote:
>>
>>> Palin scares you.
>>
>>> I think she scares you.
>>
>> How could an ignorant creationist bimbo scare
>> anyone?
>
> Well obvioiusly she is far smarter than you.
> How far have you gotten? She has been a mayor,
> a Governor, and without any hesitation and not
> being ready, she accepted a challenge.
> For that, I think she deserves credit.

She's McCain's prop, she's window dressing...Now
she's become an albatross as his campaign dies
from the disease of McCain's poor judgment

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 5:00:56 PM10/5/08

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"kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message news:gcb8vj$g0b$1...@aioe.org...

Again, like the leftie you are, you make false assumptions.

ObKY20

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Like the average leftie you completely ignored everything else I had to say,
most likely due to the well known observation most lefties are cowards

ObKY20

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Do you deserve respect? No. Why?
Because you avoided my questions to you and you ignored other points I
brought up.

You're the typical leftie.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 5:04:23 PM10/5/08

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
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Oct 5, 2008, 5:18:26 PM10/5/08

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When you can stop falsely "assuming", let me know.

ObKY20

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I had many other points in another posting , you did not answer them.
You deserve no respect.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 5:20:31 PM10/5/08

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When you've got something, anything at all, do let us know.

Sid9

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I'll do what Gwen Ifill could not do nail Palin
for what she is.

McCain's prop.

Palin's McCain's prop, she's window dressing...Now

she's become an
albatross as his campaign dies from the disease of
McCain's poor

judgment. The same "Poor Judgment" label he
received in the Keating
Five scandal....The scandal where he narrowly
avoided a jail sentence.

Sid9

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
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>> She's McCain's prop, she's window
>> dressing...Now she's become an
>>>> albatross as his campaign dies from the
>>>> disease of McCain's poor judgment

and had NOT had
>> one press conference
>
> You are moving the goal post, as usual.
> You're first claim was that she hasn't been in
> front of the press.
> Once it was brought to your attention that she
> has, you decided to change it to "press
> conference".
>
> Like most liberals you are dishonest and
> cowardly.
>
> Then you completely ignored the other points I
> had mentioned.
>
> So in return, you deserve no respect for your
> opinions and/or distortions and lies.
>

Again more personal attacks....a tactic to avoid
the issue.

She has had two interviews with press people.

She has NEVER had a press conference since McCain
selected his prop for VP.

NEVER.

Words have meanings.....

Jorge Duhbya Arbusto, POTUS (Retired)

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Oct 5, 2008, 6:17:11 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> Zigler wrote:
>
>> Total net worth: 1.2 MILLION...
>> Joe Sixpack, my bloody fucking ass.
>
> 1.2 million isn't much these days. Most middle class families aren't
> far off. Add up house, cars, 401ks, etc. and a million isn't much any
> more. She's hardly in the same class as the Washington elite
> politicians of many.

True, but only about 9.2 to 9.9 million households have net worth of $1
million or more. The house and cars are not used in the official
calculations. With the recent steep stock market declines, I'd expect that
number to fall drastically.

"The mean age of the US millionaire households is 66, with an average net
worth of $4.6 million". These are hardly "Joe Sixpacks".

http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/2008/05/16/another-good-year-for-millionaire-households/

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/03/12/slow-growth-in-millionaire-population/

Jorge Duhbya Arbusto, POTUS (Retired)

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Oct 5, 2008, 6:27:39 PM10/5/08

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ObKY20 wrote:
> "kT" <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote in message
> news:gcb5lr$s3n$1...@aioe.org...
>> ObKY20 wrote:
>>
>>> Palin scares you.
>>
>>> I think she scares you.
>>
>> How could an ignorant creationist bimbo scare anyone?
>
> Well obvioiusly she is far smarter than you.

You've made the mistake of confusing political savvy and personal charisma
with intelligence. Since the beginning of the era of television and mass
media, perceptions of image and appearance go further in determining success
than intelligence.

Jorge Duhbya Arbusto, POTUS (Retired)

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Oct 5, 2008, 6:34:30 PM10/5/08

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I'm gonna go out on a limb an insult you: Most people write just like they
talk. Judging by your posts, English is not your primary language. So,
what country are you posting from?

Jorge Duhbya Arbusto, POTUS (Retired)

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Oct 5, 2008, 6:38:38 PM10/5/08

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Wasn't PaLOON just babbling to the press about Obama's supposed ties to
"terrorists" ? McCain better put her in a strait-jacket for the next
month.

ObKY20

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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That's your opinion, so what?

It's expected liberals will react how you are.
Fact: If she were a Democrat, you would be singing praises about her.

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Oct 5, 2008, 9:46:49 PM10/5/08

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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<snip>
Liberals can't hide behind their lies. I have no respect for you.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 9:48:11 PM10/5/08

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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Please, give it a rest.

First off, Ronald Reagan has gone down as one of the GREATEST presidents of
our times.
And don't for one second think Democrats are any better than Republicans,
because they are not.
Democrats have picked their losers just as Republicans have picked theirs.

Jimmy Carter comes to mind real quick, as well as Pelosi.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:10:51 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be voting
> for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist Bush regime.

I don't know too many people who are voting for Bush. You see Obama as
being the solution when they guy has zero experience at anything and is
nothing more than another smooth talking politician. 143 days into his
senate and he decides he wants to run for prez. Ya, thats experience
for ya.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:14:42 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> Has she publicly admitted that she was spectacularly wrong about
> cosmology and planetary science yet? Somehow, I must have missed it.

How can she be wrong when us puny chimps on planet Earth do not know
diddly about the subject?? We know a miniscule fraction about our
universe and attempt to extrapolate huge answers from a tiny bit of
data. I don't agree with Palins views on the matter but I will defend
her right to believe it...unlike the Democrats who seem bent on
abolishing such rights.

Sid9

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I'm honored!

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:18:48 PM10/5/08

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
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Reagan started the destruction of the greatest
country humans had ever seen. He started spending
America into bankruptcy. Bush, the father,
continued on that ruinous course....then we had an
eight years hiatus when our finances and our
greatness were restored only to be undermined by
the worst president and the most incompetent
Republican administration in our history.

Now the Republicans offer up another loser. A
loser who has been stamped "Poor Judgment" over
and over again in his entire life

> And don't for one second think Democrats are any
> better than Republicans, because they are not.
> Democrats have picked their losers just as
> Republicans have picked theirs.
>
> Jimmy Carter comes to mind real quick, as well
> as Pelosi.

Jimmy Carter proposed an energy plan which Reagan
dumped upon taking office. Thirty years wasted by
Republican opposition and Carter's plan is
perfectly valid today.

Try to learn something of our history.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:18:26 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be
>> voting for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist
>> Bush regime.
>
> I don't know too many people who are voting for Bush. You see Obama as
> being the solution when they guy has zero experience at anything and is
> nothing more than another smooth talking politician.

You are projecting, I never said that. And if you would take the time to
research my posts these last few months, you would clearly see that I
take the same position. I believe I referred to him as a flim flam man.

However, I've known the problems are essentially unsolvable without the
help of an educated and literate electorate and constituency, which is
going to take thirty or so years to recreate in America (the so called
post Sputnik populace), and I have come to realize that what we need,
right now more than anything is a president who is RATIONAL, and who can
present a stoic and eloquent face to the international community, whose
help we desperately are going to need if we are going to recover here.

Obama is that president. Biden can back him up with substance.

Palin and McCain are demonstrably not of that calibre.

I've reached my posting limit, not sure if this will fly.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:20:41 PM10/5/08

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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Not even close, but you're a hateful little liberal and you are blind.
It's not your fault, you goose step along to what ever tune your liberal
party tells you to.

Fact: Reagan has gone down as one of the greatest, deal with it liberal.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:21:07 PM10/5/08

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"miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
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Obama's got brains.
Something McCain never had, even before the
Vietnamese beat the shit out of him.
Even bush,jr the coward, was a better pilot than
McCain...and that's going some among the mediocre

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:23:51 PM10/5/08

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"miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message

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Thank you for defending ignorance!

Send her this website for daily viewing...
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Both you and she might learn something.

Both of you will need to understand what a
"light-year" is.

ObKY20

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:25:22 PM10/5/08

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"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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>
>
> "miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:SqeGk.13631$gY7....@newsfe19.iad...
>> kT wrote:
>>
>>> What is distressing is the sheer number of Americans who will be voting
>>> for these idiots, after 8 full years living under a fascist Bush regime.
>>
>> I don't know too many people who are voting for Bush. You see Obama as
>> being the solution when they guy has zero experience at anything and is
>> nothing more than another smooth talking politician. 143 days into his
>> senate and he decides he wants to run for prez. Ya, thats experience for
>> ya.
>
>
> Obama's got brains.
> Something McCain never had

McCain, a decorated war veteran and a survivor in a POW camp who
was able to withstand countless beatings and torture, has more brains than
you
could ever hope to have.

You obviously have a deep rooted hatred for men and women in the military
for you to try and insult someone like that.

You're a loyal socialist.

Sid9

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:28:04 PM10/5/08

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"ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in
message

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Yeah...the most senile president in our history
whose wife got advice from an astrologer.

He goes down alright!

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:32:20 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> Has she publicly admitted that she was spectacularly wrong about
>> cosmology and planetary science yet? Somehow, I must have missed it.
>
> How can she be wrong when us puny chimps on planet Earth do not know
> diddly about the subject??

YOU don't know diddly about it. YOU speak for yourself.

> We know a miniscule fraction about our
> universe and attempt to extrapolate huge answers from a tiny bit of
> data.

That's how science progresses, but since you are willfully ignorant of
science, I can't expect you to understand anything about how it works.

I don't agree with Palins views on the matter but I will defend
> her right to believe it...

As will I, as long as it's in her church on Sunday morning.

Anywhere and anytime otherwise, I will confront them, and it.

With every tool in my toolbox - profanity, disrespect, ridicule and yes,
scientific methods and results. Scientific methods and known science
doesn't appear to work on them, though, so I'll try other things too.

> unlike the Democrats who seem bent on
> abolishing such rights.

WTF - they have tax free status in their houses of illucidity, and they
aren't even happy with that. They brought this down upon themselves.

Prepare to be satirized, asshole.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:39:06 PM10/5/08

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Sid9 wrote:

> Obama's got brains.

What has Obama ever done to suggest that other than smooth talking
points his advisors fed him? Please state Obamas experience?

> Even bush,jr the coward, was a better pilot than
> McCain...and that's going some among the mediocre

Hmm, how good of a combat pilot was Obama?

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:38:12 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> Obama's got brains.
>
> What has Obama ever done to suggest that other than smooth talking
> points his advisors fed him? Please state Obamas experience?

Experience dealing with a catastrophic worldwide economic depression and
religious indoctrination? Surely you jest.

>> Even bush,jr the coward, was a better pilot than McCain...and that's
>> going some among the mediocre
>
> Hmm, how good of a combat pilot was Obama?

Smart enough not to be one.

You haven't flown much yourself, have you.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:44:58 PM10/5/08

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Sid9 wrote:

> Send her this website for daily viewing...
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
> Both you and she might learn something.

I use that sight to feed my screen saver for daily pics. Kinda kewl.
Whats your point?

> Both of you will need to understand what a
> "light-year" is.

You didn't read what I wrote before responding with your rhetoric did
you? I don't agree with Palins views on the matter, but I will defend
her right to believe them unlike the far left who wishes to abolish such
rights.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 10:52:34 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> YOU don't know diddly about it. YOU speak for yourself.

Science nor the Church knows diddly about our universe.

> That's how science progresses, but since you are willfully ignorant of
> science, I can't expect you to understand anything about how it works.

lol, exactly!! But I don't try to make conclusions when the input is so
miniscule!

> As will I, as long as it's in her church on Sunday morning.

Bull. You have no trouble shoving your science views onto others
outside your home walls. I do agree with you except your one sided
attitude towards it. I lean heavily towards the science realm of things
but I do not try to shove it down those who believe otherwise.

> With every tool in my toolbox - profanity, disrespect, ridicule and yes,
> scientific methods and results. Scientific methods and known science
> doesn't appear to work on them, though, so I'll try other things too.

Just proved my above point. You wish to shove your views until they
'work on them' but can't stand it when opposing views are fired back.
Don't dish it out if you don't like it back.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:00:15 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> YOU don't know diddly about it. YOU speak for yourself.
>
> Science nor the Church knows diddly about our universe.

Can you quantify that for us in diddlyons? How large is the diddlyon
deficit, exactly? I can give you a rough running estimate right here :

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

You're right, you don't know shit, but you are about to find out.

>> That's how science progresses, but since you are willfully ignorant of
>> science, I can't expect you to understand anything about how it works.
>
> lol, exactly!! But I don't try to make conclusions when the input is so
> miniscule!

Can you quantify that in minisculons please? Otherwise your statement is
just more nonsense.

>> As will I, as long as it's in her church on Sunday morning.
>
> Bull.

Shit.

> You have no trouble shoving your science views onto others
> outside your home walls.

That's what I said, anywhere outside of your church on Sunday, you and
your idiotic beliefs are fair game. I will shove to my hearts content,
as outlined by the Constitution of the United States of America.

I know how that just burns your ass. If you don't like it, change it,
the Constitution allows for very clear mechanisms for its modification.

> I do agree with you except your one sided
> attitude towards it. I lean heavily towards the science realm of things
> but I do not try to shove it down those who believe otherwise.

I am shoving nothing in your face. This is a public forum. If you don't
like the programming, change the channel, asshole.

>> With every tool in my toolbox - profanity, disrespect, ridicule and
>> yes, scientific methods and results. Scientific methods and known
>> science doesn't appear to work on them, though, so I'll try other
>> things too.
>
> Just proved my above point.

You have no point, certainly no mathematical point that might be
amenable to 'proof'. I guessing this is a zzzziiiing for you, though.

> You wish to shove your views until they
> 'work on them' but can't stand it when opposing views are fired back.

I'm right here taking it. I ain't changing the channel for nothin, and
they ain't getting the TV neither. Damn illiterate hillbillies.

> Don't dish it out if you don't like it back.

What? This is great entertainment! Your ignorance never surprises me.

Bring it on, oh' innumerate one.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:07:53 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> You haven't flown much yourself, have you.

Actually I have but not combat. You whine about McCains pilot
experience while Obama has none.

So tell me, what does Obama have experience at or is all you have simple
minded talking points such as, 'he's smart', 'he talks smooth' etc?
That all you have?

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:06:10 PM10/5/08

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We only intend to abolish your rights to bring your idiotic beliefs into
politics and science. Not that science needs your abolishment, it can
hold its own against any of the complete crap you idiot proffer up in
the name of truth, but politics is very vulnerable, as demonstrated by
the utter destruction you jerks have inflicted on America and the world.

Science is coming after you, and science is going to win. Your days of
influence over politics and education are OVER OVER OVER. You lost.

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:24:44 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> That's what I said, anywhere outside of your church on Sunday, you and
>> your idiotic beliefs are fair game. I will shove to my hearts content,
>> as outlined by the Constitution of the United States of America.
>
> And they will shove theirs upon you! Fair?

And indeed they do, creationist museums, abortion clinic protests.

That's their right. But the constitution forbids religion in affairs of
the state, and science easily destroys any credibility in the classroom.

> I don't like their views
> any more than you I believe in freedom of speech for all and not just
> for those that believe the same way. Democrats 'freedom of speech' is
> let us say what we want but you shut up.

Nobody here is shutting anybody up.

However, death threats from fascists are a dime a dozen here, and the
creationists consistently use their constitutional right to freedom of
speech, to protest the constitutional right to freedom of speech, in the
form of COMPLAINTS to ISPs. But we can get around that. It requires that
one give up on Google Groups, and most of the mainstream ISPs however.

>> I know how that just burns your ass. If you don't like it, change it,
>> the Constitution allows for very clear mechanisms for its modification.
>
> Doesn't burn me at all. It sure burns you though. You want to shove
> your views while silencing others.

Who am I trying to silence outside of public institutions and
classrooms? You are blatantly lying. You are a liar. Who knew!

Public school classrooms and public government institutions.

That's the constitutional line. You just can't stand it.

>> I am shoving nothing in your face. This is a public forum. If you
>> don't like the programming, change the channel, asshole.
>
> Oh now this is too funny. You said those with differing views need to
> keep it in their home, yet you can spew anywhere and anytime. Good grief.

No, I merely said I would confront it. Again, you are a liar.

I have caught you in several lies in this post alone, yet still you are
unrepentant. Why is that?

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:28:03 PM10/5/08

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Sid9 wrote:

> She has NEVER had a press conference since McCain
> selected his prop for VP.
>
> NEVER.

So what? Obama has refused any and all open public question & answer
sessions. McCain has had several. Why are Dems hiding Obama from the
public?

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:27:18 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> We don't let the president fly combat missions.
>
> um...ok...Which president flew combat missions while in office?

None as far as I know.

>> Barack Obama is RATIONAL. That is all we require right now.
>
> To the irrational and those who could careless about ones background,
> associations, experience etc. and only care about smooth talking BS in
> order to gain your vote.

His space policy went through several rational changes that I myself
participated in, and witnessed. You are lying your ass off consistently.

>
>> You are not rational. I will confront you anywhere outside of your
>> church and your home. Get used to it. This isn't going away - EVER.
>
> Um, I do not have a church. You don't read very well do you?

I am confronting you now then. You are losing the arguments as well.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:37:38 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> That's their right. But the constitution forbids religion in affairs of
> the state, and science easily destroys any credibility in the classroom.

There is nothing in the constitution that states 'separation of church
and state'.

I believe everyone can believe as they wish and ones views do effect
ones politics to a degree. Obama is a Christian and believes in
creationism.

> Who am I trying to silence outside of public institutions and
> classrooms? You are blatantly lying. You are a liar. Who knew!

You want only your views in the classroom and silence others.

> That's the constitutional line. You just can't stand it.

Show me where in the constitution is says 'seperation of church and
state'. I'll wait.

>> Oh now this is too funny. You said those with differing views need to
>> keep it in their home, yet you can spew anywhere and anytime. Good
>> grief.
>
> No, I merely said I would confront it. Again, you are a liar.

Um, no. read the thread again. Specifically about in their home, and
anywhere anytime.

> I have caught you in several lies in this post alone, yet still you are
> unrepentant. Why is that?

Hmm, either you're a radical lefty or a teenager.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:42:29 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> That's their right. But the constitution forbids religion in affairs
>> of the state, and science easily destroys any credibility in the
>> classroom.
>
> There is nothing in the constitution that states 'separation of church
> and state'.

Why don't you learn something about it :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

> I believe everyone can believe as they wish and ones views do effect
> ones politics to a degree. Obama is a Christian and believes in
> creationism.

He'll come around very quickly when shit hits the fan and his prayers
are not answered. And that is coming a lot sooner than you think.

>> Who am I trying to silence outside of public institutions and
>> classrooms? You are blatantly lying. You are a liar. Who knew!
>
> You want only your views in the classroom and silence others.
>
>> That's the constitutional line. You just can't stand it.
>
> Show me where in the constitution is says 'seperation of church and
> state'. I'll wait.

You won't have to wait long, it's high on the administration's agenda.

>>> Oh now this is too funny. You said those with differing views need
>>> to keep it in their home, yet you can spew anywhere and anytime.
>>> Good grief.
>>
>> No, I merely said I would confront it. Again, you are a liar.
>
> Um, no. read the thread again. Specifically about in their home, and
> anywhere anytime.

I will confront your idiot ideas of truth and evidence.

>> I have caught you in several lies in this post alone, yet still you
>> are unrepentant. Why is that?
>
> Hmm, either you're a radical lefty or a teenager.

I said I will confront you. That is precisely what I am doing.

I'm a scientist and an AMERICAN. My family has history going back to the
Revolutionary war. It's in my genes. I will be here to chafe your ass.

And like the revolutionary war and the civil war, we will win.

You've already lost : http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

If I just breathe wrong on America, it will topple.

That's how big of total fuckups you nutcases are.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:46:20 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> His space policy went through several rational changes that I myself
> participated in, and witnessed. You are lying your ass off consistently.

His space policy has flip flopped throughout this campaign. He reversed
himself once Hillary was out of the way. Whatever you want to hear,
thats Obamas view.

Obama believes we should continue developing the next generation of
space vehicles, and complete the international space station. While
Obama would delay plans to return to moon and push on to mars, Obama
would continue unmanned missions, and use NASA to monitor the forces and
effects of climate change, support scientific research, and maintain
surveillance to strengthen national security. Obama also believes we
need to keep weapons out of space.

That is considerably different than what his original statement sounded
like: rather than an additional five-year post-shuttle gap, this
approach would appear to permit the continued development of a new
launch vehicle and spacecraft (be it Ares/Orion or some alternative),
but put on hold anything that would be used for lunar missions and
beyond. That puts his approach closer to what Hillary Clinton proposed
in October, although she did not endorse any specific delay in human
lunar missions.

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:48:51 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> His space policy went through several rational changes that I myself
>> participated in, and witnessed. You are lying your ass off consistently.
>
>
> His space policy has flip flopped throughout this campaign. He reversed
> himself once Hillary was out of the way. Whatever you want to hear,
> thats Obamas view.

Since you no nothing of space policy, I can ignore that.

We educated Mr. Obama on space policy. He is amenable to education.

That's called rationality. That is something that you don't understand.

> Obama believes we should continue developing the next generation of
> space vehicles, and complete the international space station.

But he did not commit to Ares I and Orion, which would be foolhardy.

Rather than just talking out your ass, why don't you read up on it?

http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/

Written by Lori Garver. You do know who Lori Garver is, right?

We educated Ms. Garver on space policy as well.

miles

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:53:27 PM10/5/08

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kT wrote:

> Why don't you learn something about it :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

How about you read it yourself! Then tell me where in the constitution
it mentions separation of church and state. Quote the constitution
instead of Wikipedia. Should be easy!

> He'll come around very quickly when shit hits the fan and his prayers
> are not answered. And that is coming a lot sooner than you think.

Maybe, maybe not. Thats his problem. We have 4 people trying to get
into the whitehouse. All are Christians so why is religion a deciding
factor for you?

> You won't have to wait long, it's high on the administration's agenda.

In otherwords you can't show me where in the constitution is mentions
seperation of church and state. You done trying to use the constitution
to back your statements, or you gonna quote where it mentions the subject?

> I'm a scientist and an AMERICAN. My family has history going back to the
> Revolutionary war. It's in my genes. I will be here to chafe your ass.

Hmm, I'm an engineer and work in the science and aerospace field. NASA
is a big customer. Visited Kennedy, Dryden, Marshal, Lewis and other
NASA facilities many times. Whats your point?

kT

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Oct 5, 2008, 11:59:39 PM10/5/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> Why don't you learn something about it :
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state
>
> How about you read it yourself! Then tell me where in the constitution
> it mentions separation of church and state. Quote the constitution
> instead of Wikipedia. Should be easy!

It doesn't implicitly mention habeas corpus either.

It didn't take you fascists long to exploit that as well.

>> He'll come around very quickly when shit hits the fan and his prayers
>> are not answered. And that is coming a lot sooner than you think.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. Thats his problem.

No, it's your problem, because he is going to be your president whether
you like it or not.

> We have 4 people trying to get
> into the whitehouse. All are Christians so why is religion a deciding
> factor for you?

They won't be Christians for long.

You just don't see it coming, do you.

>> You won't have to wait long, it's high on the administration's agenda.
>
> In otherwords you can't show me where in the constitution is mentions
> seperation of church and state.

I don't have to. It's implicit, like habeas corpus.

Furthermore, the alternative is a DEMONSTRABLE FAILURE.

You wouldn't admit failure even if your life depended on it.

And soon, it will.

> You done trying to use the constitution
> to back your statements, or you gonna quote where it mentions the subject?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause

>> I'm a scientist and an AMERICAN. My family has history going back to
>> the Revolutionary war. It's in my genes. I will be here to chafe your
>> ass.
>
> Hmm, I'm an engineer and work in the science and aerospace field. NASA
> is a big customer. Visited Kennedy, Dryden, Marshal, Lewis and other
> NASA facilities many times. Whats your point?

My point is that you are a failure. You have an intractable debt and an
intractable rocket. Both are directly related to the incursion of
religion on science and government. We're gonna fix that shortly.

NASA and Congress are finished. We're just waiting for the end.

miles

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Oct 6, 2008, 12:15:01 AM10/6/08

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kT wrote:
> It didn't take you fascists long to exploit that as well.

lol, I see. Thats makes it all ok? You're the one that tried to use
the constitution to back up your statement. All I asked is where does
it say we must have seperation of church and state? You can't do that.

> No, it's your problem, because he is going to be your president whether
> you like it or not.

Who knows. Thats next month. So you won't mind his Christian views
being a part of politics I guess if you're going to vote for him. After
all, he has attended the same church for over 20 years until his
campaign started. I don't think you're going to change 20 years of
beliefs over night. His views will come out stronger once he's done
campaigning whether he wins or loses.

> I don't have to. It's implicit, like habeas corpus.

Implicit or simply the way we've chosen to live? Don't try to use the
constitution to back your statements up unless you actually have read it!

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause

This states the Gov. can't establish it's own religion.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause

This states Gov. can't give preference to one religion over another.

Neither statement dictates complete separation of church and state.

Tartarus

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Oct 6, 2008, 12:24:22 AM10/6/08

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On Oct 5, 11:08 am, miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
> Zigler wrote:
> > Total net worth: 1.2 MILLION...
> > Joe Sixpack, my bloody fucking ass.
>
> 1.2 million isn't much these days.

It's not joe sixpack.

Tartarus

kT

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Oct 6, 2008, 12:30:40 AM10/6/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>> It didn't take you fascists long to exploit that as well.
>
> lol, I see. Thats makes it all ok? You're the one that tried to use
> the constitution to back up your statement. All I asked is where does
> it say we must have seperation of church and state? You can't do that.

Yes I can. Your experiment on mixing science, politics and religion
these last eight years has caused the impending DESTRUCTION of the
United States of America. You just don't see it coming is all.

>> No, it's your problem, because he is going to be your president
>> whether you like it or not.
>
> Who knows.

I know.

> Thats next month.

Mixing religion with science and politics is GUARANTEED FAILURE.

You just don't see it is all. Too bad for you.

> So you won't mind his Christian views
> being a part of politics I guess if you're going to vote for him. After
> all, he has attended the same church for over 20 years until his
> campaign started. I don't think you're going to change 20 years of
> beliefs over night. His views will come out stronger once he's done
> campaigning whether he wins or loses.

So you say.

>> I don't have to. It's implicit, like habeas corpus.
>
> Implicit or simply the way we've chosen to live? Don't try to use the
> constitution to back your statements up unless you actually have read it!

I don't have to read it. I live it. I can change it.

Another document I live by : The Declaration of Independence.

Many Americans live by a 2000 year old book of myths. Too bad for them.

Very shortly they will be in for the shock of their lives.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause
>
> This states the Gov. can't establish it's own religion.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause
>
> This states Gov. can't give preference to one religion over another.
>
> Neither statement dictates complete separation of church and state.

Don't you worry yourself at all. It soon will.

The Constitution is weird that way.

Evolution and change are real.

But you just don't get it.

It's almost as if you creationists WANT TO FAIL.

Armageddon and all that. Be careful what you wish for.

In a universe of infinite improbability, it's guaranteed to happen.

In regards to America, it's already set in motion. It's not a matter of
'if' anymore, but 'when'. All you are buying by printing more trillions
of dollars to GIVE AWAY TO RICH PEOPLE, is just a little more time.

You have solved none of your problems. You epitomize failure.

miles

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kT wrote:

> It's almost as if you creationists WANT TO FAIL.

Ya know, you're a perfect example of the radical lefty full of hatred
and anger that leaves them irrational. I am NOT a creationist. Your
anger caused you to fail to read before replying. Now get your foot out
of your mouth and try to discuss without the anger and hate.

miles

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Sid9 wrote:

> Jimmy Carter proposed an energy plan which Reagan
> dumped upon taking office. Thirty years wasted by
> Republican opposition and Carter's plan is
> perfectly valid today.

Carters energy plan has largely been followed even if you don't see it.
Carters problem was he believed we could be off oil dependency and use
solar, wind etc. almost entirely in only 10 years. He had vision
perhaps but blind to technology of 30 years ago. Private and public
sectors have been pouring funds into solar and wind development. The
worlds largest solar array was started during Carters years and is still
being developed as technology improves. 30 years later have seen great
advances made but we're no wheres near the ability to stop using oil.
Wind turbines have greatly advanced as well. They produce far more
power today than they could 30 years ago. Even though storage for power
produced from them has dramatically improved we're no where near the
point for large scale use nationwide and at an expense that makes it
worthwhile for the masses. Point is, the technology Carter believed in
has seen continued development and 30 years later is still not ready for
prime time.

You really believe the technology was there 30 years ago to be off oil
dependancy in 10 years? Do you believe even 30 years later today we
have the viable technology to do what Carter wanted? Closer, but not a
chance.

Sid9

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Oct 6, 2008, 9:35:28 AM10/6/08

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Carter's plan was DUMPED by Reagan and the
Republicans

Sid9

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Oct 6, 2008, 9:37:25 AM10/6/08

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> discuss without the anger and hate.'

Religion will ultimately doom humanity

ObKY20

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Oct 6, 2008, 9:38:18 AM10/6/08

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Ronald Reagan has gone down as one of the greatest presidents of all times
and you socialist just can't handle the fact that you have had nobody in the
past 40 years that has even come close to his legacy. You will make
anything up about him, that's how much you socialist hate great presidents.

ObKY20

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Your doom will be when you face God.

Sid9

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Oct 6, 2008, 9:44:20 AM10/6/08

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Republicans.

Reagan was the start of the decline of America.

His financial mismanagement created huge deficits
which led directly to the deficits of the two
bushs and the decline of American power.

America is fucked up today blame it on Reagan and
Nancy's astrologer

Sid9

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My doom will be when my life ends...as will yours.

ObKY20

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<snip>

Blow it out of your &*(&$
socialist.

Even one of your socialist leaders said Reagan was a great president. You
must obey your socialist leaders, after all you have shown you goose step
along with what others tell you.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5148407/

Gorbachev calls Reagan 'a great president'

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Oct 6, 2008, 11:17:06 AM10/6/08

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miles wrote:
> kT wrote:
>
>> It's almost as if you creationists WANT TO FAIL.
>
> Ya know, you're a perfect example of the radical lefty full of hatred
> and anger that leaves them irrational.

I'm as rational as anyone can get.

> I am NOT a creationist.

Then why are you defending failure?

> Your anger caused you to fail to read before replying.

You are defending creationists and religious folks who have inflicted
IRREPARABLE DAMAGE upon the United States of America. They are no better
or worse than the Afghani Taliban. And yet you still defend them.

> Now get your foot out
> of your mouth and try to discuss without the anger and hate.

There is nothing to discuss. You are a failure.

Time for a change. I will continue to confront you, and people like you,
wherever I meet them out of their homes and their pathetic churches.

Get used to it. Many more will begin to follow my lead.

I detect a trend.

ObKY20

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I figured you would be if a fellow Comrad said it.

ObKY20

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>
>
> "ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5ydnbGMOfzRhHfV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:oyoGk.48503$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:l5GdnaDNEeOmiHfV...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eroGk.48499$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:w0hGk.14110$gY7....@newsfe19.iad...
>>>>>> kT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's almost as if you creationists WANT TO FAIL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ya know, you're a perfect example of the radical lefty full of hatred
>>>>>> and anger that leaves them irrational. I am NOT a creationist. Your
>>>>>> anger caused you to fail to read before replying. Now get your foot
>>>>>> out of your mouth and try to discuss without the anger and hate.'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion will ultimately doom humanity
>>>>
>>>> Your doom will be when you face God.
>>>
>>> My doom will be when my life ends...as will yours.
>>
>> Our lives end, of course, and from there our soul, spirit, or what ever
>> some may call it moves on to something else.
>>
>> Your facing doom, you little socialist.
>
> Dream on.
>
> Heaven and hell are here on earth.

As long as socialist like you, Rosie O'Donnell, and Barbara Streisand keep
trying
to bug people..yes, hell is here on earth

ObKY20

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>
>
> "ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message
> news:p5ydnbGMOfzRhHfV...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:oyoGk.48503$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:l5GdnaDNEeOmiHfV...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eroGk.48499$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "miles" <no...@nopers.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:w0hGk.14110$gY7....@newsfe19.iad...
>>>>>> kT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's almost as if you creationists WANT TO FAIL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ya know, you're a perfect example of the radical lefty full of hatred
>>>>>> and anger that leaves them irrational. I am NOT a creationist. Your
>>>>>> anger caused you to fail to read before replying. Now get your foot
>>>>>> out of your mouth and try to discuss without the anger and hate.'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Religion will ultimately doom humanity
>>>>
>>>> Your doom will be when you face God.
>>>
>>> My doom will be when my life ends...as will yours.
>>
>> Our lives end, of course, and from there our soul, spirit, or what ever
>> some may call it moves on to something else.
>>
>> Your facing doom, you little socialist.
>
>

> PS...When you are dead, you are dead. Period. There ain't no more. It's
> over.

Closed minded people who live in fear think like that.

Sid9

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McCain and his Republican friends have turned
heaven (America) into hell (America)

ObKY20

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So tell me, when you socialist do your little march..isn't that hard on your
feet?
That throwing your leg straight in the air, arms straight out, slamming your
feet to the ground. That's gotta hurt.

Asad O. Meyer

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> "Ob-KYJelly" <Ob-KYJ...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message

>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>> "ObKY20" <ObKonO...@yahoomail.com> wrote in message

>>>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>>>> PS...When you are dead, you are dead. Period. There ain't no more.
>>>> It's over.

>>> Closed minded people who live in fear think like that.

So that means you say thee Blieble "opens" thee mind? ROTFLMM-FAO!!!!

>> McCain and his Republican friends have turned heaven (America) into hell
>> (America)
>
> So tell me, when you socialist do your little march..isn't that hard on your
> feet?

> That throwing your leg straight in the air, arms straight out, slamming your
> feet to the ground. That's gotta hurt.

10 KKKommindants is the planned ultima=DDe guide for a socialist society.

It's well proven Hitler was as "white Christian" as they get, so white jews
where considered black.
--
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your
Christ." =8B Ghandi

https://www.cafepress.com/YbeLIEve

https://www.cafepress.com/FreeDumbOf

https://www.cafepress.com/FreeDumbFrom

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What a dopey juvenile response, try again.

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I just asked you a simple question, why are you so defensive. Aren't you
proud to be a socialist?
Screwed up as you are, at least be proud.

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Still off subject...try again: