History is history
Antimulticulture
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20163973-25717,00.html
Andrew Bolt
August 18, 2006
How far our intellectual standards have fallen that this
speech of the sobbing obvious had to be made at all.
I think it was Julie Bishop, a something-or-other in the government of
what's-his-face, who said an important thing somewhere the other day.
Facts matter.
Actually, now that I check, Bishop, the federal Education Minister, opened a
summit on the teaching of history this week by declaring that history
matters.
History with facts.
And she said what once never needed saying: "History is not peace studies.
History is not social justice awareness week. Or conscious-raising about
ecological sustainability.
"History is history."
At least the Howard Government has now gathered top historians to try to
save history from the fads that have shredded its disciplines.
With luck, they will insist that history classes should have less preaching
and more teaching, and students should once more be taught the broad sweep
of history before being dragged off into the puddles of political activism
and post-modernism, where what matters is not the truth, but the attitude.
Want examples of what I mean, and what it leads to?
Hear Anne Curthoys, the Australian National University's Manning Clark
Professor of History: "Many academics in the humanities and social sciences
now reject the notion that one can objectively know the facts.
"Many take this even further, and argue that knowledge is entirely an effect
of power, that we can no longer have any concept of truth at all."
Believe it. When Professor Lyndall Ryan, head of Humanities at Newcastle
University, was outed for writing about massacres that hadn't happened.
Citing death tolls from sources that didn't exist, she had a perfect
postmodernist excuse. Two, in fact.
Excuse one: "Historians are always making up figures." Excuse two: "Two
truths are told. Is only one 'truth' correct?"
Indeed, yes, madam, if one truth contradicts the other. This is the basis of
the entire Western scientific method.
Yet, how easily this respect for truth -- and for history's vast narratives
that make sense of a million little facts -- have vanished in a swamp of
fact-less post-modernism.
Never mind, chirrip the hip. Who needs facts when we've got Google?
As Victoria University lecturer Les Terry puts it: "Rather than bemoan the
fact that many students do not know when James Cook sailed up the east coast
of Australia, the historians should acknowledge that many of today's
students are highly conversant, probably more so than those attending the
summit, with the digital rather than the dusty archive."
Clare Wright, a grant-winning post-doctoral research fellow at La Trobe
University, is the admired product of such teaching, held up in a sea of
unknowing by a pair of Google floaties.
As she blithely wrote: "There is no question that even after post-graduate
training in history, I have emerged with a shaky grasp of the facts. I am a
product of a thoroughly post-modern education, schooled to seek and
interpret a multiplicity of voices, competing narratives and diverse texts.
"The order of Australian prime ministers is beyond me; the dates of even key
events would see me flailing. But I am also a child of the Information Age.
Isn't that why God invented Google?"
Oh, dear. You too, child?
But the peril of relying on Google with only uninformed prejudice to guide
you was shown last month by Sunday Age writer Terry Lane, who fell for the
internet hoax of a fraud who had claimed to have been an American soldier in
Iraq with orders to slaughter civilians.
Asked why he had believed this preposterous fantasy, he explained: "I fell
for it because I wanted to believe it."
In a world whose history has no facts, how many will fall into that pit with
him?
--
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KANGAROOISTAN
Antimulticulture wrote:
> History is history
www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lanne
Tasmania is the size of holland and Belgium combined , If I wiped out
every man woman and child in Holland and Belgium would that be genocide
???
I know a few tasmanians survived on other islands , was it 3 or 4
aboriginal women married to whites ???
THE REST WERE BUTCHERED BY WHITE CHRISTIAN CAPITALISTS AND THEIR LAND
STOLEN
get...@1upandup.com
What does Tasmania contain that capitalists want? Using an example in
poor taste, I don't see a lot of capitalists battling for control of
toxic landfills.
- Richard Hutnik
KANGAROOISTAN
TASMANIA does not have foxes or rabbits
So the white christian capitalists had to hunt blacks instead
The rich white christian capitalists had to have some sort and
recreation
After spending all day torturing poor white prisoners deported for
complaining about the laws in England
The white christian capitalists actually had hunting trips to shoot
blacks on sight
stewart...@hotmail.co.uk
ahhh, happy days. a bit of the same these days might solve a few
problems.
Crowley
KANGAROOISTAN wrote:
> TASMANIA does not have foxes or rabbits
>
> So the white christian capitalists had to hunt blacks instead
>
> The rich white christian capitalists had to have some sort and
> recreation
>
> After spending all day torturing poor white prisoners deported for
> complaining about the laws in England
>
> The white christian capitalists actually had hunting trips to shoot
> blacks on sight
If you hate white capitalists so much then why don't you give them back
your laptop, your state-provided accomodation, and your welfare cheque
and go back to living in shit in the bush you thick, primitive,
whinging, idle, inbred, paki twat ?
Then we'll organise "hunting trips" to really give you summat to
complain about.
Max Muir
KANGAROOISTAN wrote:
> Antimulticulture wrote:
> > History is history
>
> www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lanne
>
> Tasmania is the size of holland and Belgium combined ,
But was much less densely populated by Tasmanian aboriginals
who were busy regressing to animal-hood, having forgotten how to
sew, how to built boats to get them back to the mainland, and
even how to make clothes. Tasmania only contained a few
thousand aboriginals.
Aboriginals are a sorry lot and it is not surprising they are
today turning to the religion of losers, Islam.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/989019.stm
"crying infants are silenced with petrol-drenched rags on their faces".
"Many Aborigines are almost completely dependent on unemployment and
other welfare payments."
> If I wiped out
> every man woman and child in Holland and Belgium would that be genocide
> ???
Isn't that what Islam is planning?
> I know a few tasmanians survived on other islands , was it 3 or 4
> aboriginal women married to whites ???
Somebody must have been plastered.
> THE REST WERE BUTCHERED BY WHITE CHRISTIAN CAPITALISTS AND THEIR LAND
> STOLEN
Nope, they were deported to Cape Flinders Island after the war.
sh...@abertay.ac.uk
Antimulticulture wrote:
> History is history
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20163973-25717,00.html
> Andrew Bolt
> August 18, 2006
With respect to those of our friends 'down under' this is supposed to
be a British political n.g. But I see that these pearls of wisdom are
cross-posted to a variety of such sites that suggest this is indeed
the classical response of the transatlanic airhead....
> How far our intellectual standards have fallen that this
> speech of the sobbing obvious had to be made at all.
>
> I think it was Julie Bishop,
Who?
>a something-or-other in the government of
> what's-his-face, who said an important thing somewhere the other day.
> Facts matter.
Indeed...
> Actually, now that I check, Bishop, the federal Education Minister,
Are we supposed to care about this?
>opened a
> summit on the teaching of history
Presumably in Australia?
>this week by declaring that history
> matters.
>
> History with facts.
Is there any other kind?
>
> And she said what once never needed saying: "History is not peace studies.
> History is not social justice awareness week. Or conscious-raising about
> ecological sustainability.
If she had prefaced this by the words "in my opinion" it might sound a
little better.
>
> "History is history."
But the thing is, the examples she quoted were applications, or uses of
history. Perhaps she doesn't realise that. if she doesn't like the use
to which history is being put, that's a separate issue...
>
> At least the Howard Government has now gathered top historians to try to
> save history from the fads that have shredded its disciplines.
And who is mr Howard to cast himself in the role of History's saviour?
Is he going to tackle philosophy next? Theology?
>
> With luck, they will insist that history classes should have less preaching
> and more teaching, and students should once more be taught the broad sweep
> of history before being dragged off into the puddles of political activism
> and post-modernism, where what matters is not the truth, but the attitude.
I dought if the writer would recognise a post modernist statement if
one hit them in the teeth....
>
> Want examples of what I mean, and what it leads to?
>
> Hear Anne Curthoys, the Australian National University's Manning Clark
> Professor of History: "Many academics in the humanities and social sciences
> now reject the notion that one can objectively know the facts.
Considering that facts are often conclusions based upon imperfect data,
that is a reasonable statement to make. We now know, for example, that
the figure on the Bayeux Tapestry with an arrow sticking out of his eye
may not be Harold...
>
> "Many take this even further, and argue that knowledge is entirely an effect
> of power, that we can no longer have any concept of truth at all."
Because discourse theory suggests that our perceptions are filtered
through whatever mental baggage we bring to the transaction. All truth
is based on assumption..it is just that some assumptions are more
likely than others...
>
> Believe it. When Professor Lyndall Ryan, head of Humanities at Newcastle
> University, was outed for writing about massacres that hadn't happened.
> Citing death tolls from sources that didn't exist, she had a perfect
> postmodernist excuse. Two, in fact.
>
> Excuse one: "Historians are always making up figures." Excuse two: "Two
> truths are told. Is only one 'truth' correct?"
>
> Indeed, yes, madam, if one truth contradicts the other. This is the basis of
> the entire Western scientific method.
Which, in turn depends upon the concept of an objective or disembodied
mind....I blame it on all that cartesian dualism, guv...
> Yet, how easily this respect for truth -- and for history's vast narratives
> that make sense of a million little facts -- have vanished in a swamp of
> fact-less post-modernism.
What have you got against the concept of a social construct?
>
> Never mind, chirrip the hip.
WHAT!!!!!!!
>Who needs facts when we've got Google?
>
> As Victoria University lecturer Les Terry
Presumably, Bruce was unavailable....
>puts it: "Rather than bemoan the
> fact that many students do not know when James Cook sailed up the east coast
> of Australia, the historians should acknowledge that many of today's
> students are highly conversant, probably more so than those attending the
> summit, with the digital rather than the dusty archive."
>
> Clare Wright, a grant-winning post-doctoral research fellow at La Trobe
> University, is the admired product of such teaching, held up in a sea of
> unknowing by a pair of Google floaties.
>
> As she blithely wrote: "There is no question that even after post-graduate
> training in history, I have emerged with a shaky grasp of the facts. I am a
> product of a thoroughly post-modern education, schooled to seek and
> interpret a multiplicity of voices, competing narratives and diverse texts.
And what's wrong with that?
> "The order of Australian prime ministers is beyond me; the dates of even key
> events would see me flailing. But I am also a child of the Information Age.
> Isn't that why God invented Google?"
>
> Oh, dear. You too, child?
You think that history is just about memorising facts?
>
> But the peril of relying on Google with only uninformed prejudice to guide
> you was shown last month by Sunday Age writer Terry Lane, who fell for the
> internet hoax of a fraud who had claimed to have been an American soldier in
> Iraq with orders to slaughter civilians.
>
> Asked why he had believed this preposterous fantasy, he explained: "I fell
> for it because I wanted to believe it."
Then bloody well deconstruct the statement first!
>
> In a world whose history has no facts, how many will fall into that pit with
> him?
People who think that history is just facts...because they can't think
for themselves...
Dr. Barry Worthington
P.S. Whoever you are, you are a nutter...thought I should mention that
as a fact...
Don H
news:1156431800....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Islamic pedigree who thereby assumes some inherent insight into the Truth?
Sorry, but Islam, like all traditional religions, has a one-eyed view of
reality, and acts accordingly.
Indeed, most religions have a Sacred Book, a potted history of the world,
which must not be questioned (lest the Faith be weakened). All those
outside the Faith are mad or bad or both, and must ultimately be forcibly
converted, or put to the sword. We can't wait for God to act, as he tends
to be more tolerant than his followers.
As to Tasmania, and its history; Australia was mainly settled by Imperial
Britain because the American War of Independence had left Britain with
nowhere to send its surplus convicts. Times were brutal (not much more than
at present), and troops and chain-gangs were the order of the day. As to
the natives, these Aborigines were regarded as savages, a nuisance, and
their elimination was viewed as desirable - if they resisted settlement.
But then the Ottoman Empire was a similar expansion into Europe, as was
invasion and settlement of Spain by the Moors.
Empires come and go, and today we witness the neo-colonial intrusion of
Anglo-American Imperialism into the Middle East, aided by Israeli
colonialists (under the delusion that God is granting them back the Promised
Land of the Old Testament). All of which is justified by the White Man's
Burden of bringing Civilisation, and Freedom and Democracy, to the benighted
Heathen - even if Oil Ministry was guarded, while Museum of Antiquities was
being looted.
The resurgence of Islam is partly explained by all this. To some extent,
"terrorism", of the militant Islamic type, has a legitimate grievance; to
another extent it is the result of indoctrination with a partial view of
history.
The former can be resolved by justice, the latter by a broader education
of less dogmatic nature.
History is a chain of causal consequences; and it is inappropriate to
judge too harshly the sins of the past by the standards (such as they are)
of the present.
KANGAROOISTAN
So by your standards its ok for muslims to come to australia and round
up all the non muslims and kill them as the christians did in tasmania
And recotd it as just the way it is , another page in history , got
enough guns , just take what you like
And you need to read a bit more widely on muslim history re the
expansion
I enjoy this site
Islam was not spread by the sowrd
Christianity was
www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
Max Muir
KANGAROOISTAN wrote:
> Don H wrote:
> > "KANGAROOISTAN" <kangar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156431800....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > get...@1upandup.com wrote:
> > > > KANGAROOISTAN wrote:
> > > > > Antimulticulture wrote:
> > > > > > History is history
> > > > >
> > > > > www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
Let the truth be known http://www.religionofpeace.com/
> > > > > http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html
"The university in Dacca was attacked and students exterminated in
their hundreds. Death squads roamed the streets of Dacca, killing some
7,000 people in a single night. It was only the beginning. "Within a
week, half the population of Dacca had fled, and at least 30,000 people
had been killed. Chittagong, too, had lost half its population. All
over East Pakistan people were taking flight, and it was estimated that
in April some thirty million people [!] were wandering helplessly
across East Pakistan to escape the grasp of the military."
> > > > > http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lanne
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/122670.stm
> > > > > Tasmania is the size of holland and Belgium combined ,
But was much less densely populated, with a aboriginal population of no
more than a few thousand, max
> > > > > If I wiped out
> > > > > every man woman and child in Holland and Belgium would that be
> > genocide
> > > > > ???
That would be Islam, yes.
> > > > > I know a few tasmanians survived on other islands , was it 3 or 4
> > > > > aboriginal women married to whites ???
> > > > > THE REST WERE BUTCHERED BY WHITE CHRISTIAN CAPITALISTS AND THEIR LAND
> > > > > STOLEN
> > > >
> > > > What does Tasmania contain that capitalists want? Using an example in
> > > > poor taste, I don't see a lot of capitalists battling for control of
> > > > toxic landfills.
> > > >
> > > > - Richard Hutnik
> > >
> > > TASMANIA does not have foxes or rabbits
It has plenty of other fauna like Tasmanian devils.
> > > So the white christian capitalists had to hunt blacks instead
Only when they began attacking whites as you do.
> > > The rich white christian capitalists had to have some sort and
> > > recreation
So do poor non-white non-Christian communists and muslimists
http://tinyurl.com/kqnpd http://tinyurl.com/gk43x
http://tinyurl.com/jzbed http://tinyurl.com/jbdxx
http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/nanking.jpg
http://wakingbear.com/japan3.htm
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/armenian_genocide_7.jpg
> > > After spending all day torturing poor white prisoners deported for
> > > complaining about the laws in England
and breaking them
> > > The white christian capitalists actually had hunting trips to shoot
> > > blacks on sight
The Tasmanians were like Islamist terrorists
That's what you are trying to do yes.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/07/1022982768723.html
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/msg/fa14e298adf837cc?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.australian/msg/1072a1084276eb2e?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian/msg/ebc34aab768c4f09?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/msg/02f40c44367b8d45?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.australian/msg/7b31400f3269f37a?hl=en&
> And recotd it as just the way it is , another page in history , got
> enough guns , just take what you like
It's not even a fair fight, since our governments are usually on your
side.
> And you need to read a bit more widely on muslim history re the
> expansion
Yes, the more we know about you the better.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html
"The university in Dacca was attacked and students exterminated in
their hundreds. Death squads roamed the streets of Dacca, killing some
7,000 people in a single night. It was only the beginning. "Within a
week, half the population of Dacca had fled, and at least 30,000 people
had been killed. Chittagong, too, had lost half its population. All
over East Pakistan people were taking flight, and it was estimated that
in April some thirty million people [!] were wandering helplessly
across East Pakistan to escape the grasp of the military."
> I enjoy this site
>
> www.muslimheritage.com
I bet you do; a daily handjob for Muslim Nationalists in which you
pretend you invented
everything when in fact the best most of you can do is wait for the
annual flooding of the
Nile.
> Islam was not spread by the sowrd
Yes, it was, and will be.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/terrorism.htm
> Christianity was
http://www.religionofpeace.com/
Don H
such innocents (us) were constantly martyred by the evil ones (them). Each
creed writes its own history, or, at least, puts the best gloss possible on
it. "We" are the peace-lovers, and mean no harm (especially when in a
minority). Of course, once in a majority, things can change. Like that
apostate in Afghanistan threatened with death; and freedom of religion is
not noticeable in theocratic Iran.
How's Salman Rushdie nowadays? Are the Danish cartoonists safe yet?
Sharia Law anyone?
Even as I write, the Sunnis and Shiites are murdering each other in
Iraq, and don't particularly like each other elsewhere. Same with
Protestants and Catholics (or was) in Northern Ireland. Orthodox Jews
dislike the Liberal, and vice versa.
Religion would do the world a favour if it went into voluntary
liquidation; as both its pre-scientific cosmology, and its taboo morality,
are obsolete.