George Bush Was Given His Chance -- And Blew It!
The Old Ranch Hand
"John Wesley Asquith" <chill...@briar.org> wrote in message
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> Bush was installed in the White House by the Supreme Court. An
> extraordinary break for a man who had clearly lost the election and
> was way behind in the popular vote also.
>
> He has had nearly his entire first term to bring positive and
> constructive progress in America.
>
> Instead, he has brought hate, violence, huge deficits, more than 500
> dead American boys killed in a war based on Bush's lies, and Bush has
> destroyed any hope for the Iraqi people for the next 20 years. Even
> our traditional and valuable friends are abandoning the idiocy of
> George W. Bush.
>
> We need new vigor, sensibility and intelligence in the White House.
> Kerry has what it takes.
>
> Don't be fooled by Bush's "War on Terror." There is no war on terror
> being waged by Bush. Sure, there are terrorists, always have been.
> They bring hate and violence to the world just like George Bush. But
> you are no safer today because of any action by Bush. And you are
> greatly impacted by the police-state tactics of Bush and Ashcroft.
> (And have you tried air travel recently, do you really think any of
> that massive inconvenience and delay at airports is making you any
> safer at all?).
>
> Now Bush and Ashcroft want to be able to monitor YOUR Internet
> communications, survey what library books you read, tap your phones,
> and much more without even the previous protections the Constitution
> once afforded.
>
> Bush was given an extraordinary chance and he has been an
> extraordinary failure.
>
> No wonder they only let him give speeches at military bases. There
> are so many who hate Bush they don't dare let him out in public in
> fear of his own safety. Bush has made the world see the U.S. as
> untrustworthy, arrogant and violent.
>
> Kerry can and will do monumentally better for America.
>
Tell us, what has Kerry done for us lately?
--
Happiness is life on your own piece of land in harmony
with all the animals, birds and wildflowers the good lord
blesses you with.
The Old Ranch Hand
Billy
"John Wesley Asquith" <chill...@briar.org> wrote in message
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> Bush was installed in the White House by the Supreme Court.
Damn quit whining, even a puppy will quit after 6 months. And go learn
something about the Constitution.
The Old Ranch Hand
> lies and bullshit of Bush and Cheny. That's one hell of a lot as far
> as I'm concerned. Bush needs to be dragged out on the carpet for his
> arrogant lies and Kerry is just the guy to do it.
>
Debate? That's your standard for the leader of the free world? Debate? Man,
this guys wife don't even trust him, how can we be expected to? Naw, right
now we are in the middle of a river and us old cowboys know better than to
change horses in the middle of the stream. I think right know we are better
off with the world thinking we are being led by a mad man that's just
itching for a fight. Most prudent people stay out of the path of those
kinds. And sure enough, Libya and Iran and Syria seem to be tempering their
attitudes in fear they might be next. Let's get all these tyrants disarmed
first. And I don't think you are going to do that with a game of "Mother May
I".
be nice to terroristand they will forgive us@us.gov Liberal Socialist Scumbag POS
Bush has 5 more years of kicking democrats & terrorists asses all over the
earth.
Arizona Bushwhacker
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So you want to invade Libya, Syria, and Iran next.
One at a time or all at once? Hell, why stop there.
Lets invade North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia,
Egypt, China, and Russia all at once too.
The Old Ranch Hand
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <azbush...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Aw, go away. I didn't say anything about invading anybody.
Arizona Bushwhacker
How the hell do you plan to disarm China without
invading them?
The Old Ranch Hand
How did we disarm Gadafi?
Arizona Bushwhacker
He disarmed himself. Are you telling me that
China will disarm themselves if Bush is reelected?
Steven Litvintchouk
John Wesley Asquith wrote:
> Bush was installed in the White House by the Supreme Court. An
> extraordinary break for a man who had clearly lost the election and
> was way behind in the popular vote also.
>
> He has had nearly his entire first term to bring positive and
> constructive progress in America.
>
> Instead, he has brought hate, violence, huge deficits, more than 500
> dead American boys killed in a war based on Bush's lies, and Bush has
> destroyed any hope for the Iraqi people for the next 20 years. Even
> our traditional and valuable friends are abandoning the idiocy of
> George W. Bush.
>
> We need new vigor, sensibility and intelligence in the White House.
> Kerry has what it takes.
>
> Don't be fooled by Bush's "War on Terror." There is no war on terror
> being waged by Bush. Sure, there are terrorists, always have been.
How many skyscrapers did al-Qaeda destroy prior to 9-11?
Maybe *you* are accustomed to terrorism to the point it doesn't bother
you any more.
But I want to see this country put al-Qaeda out of business. Permanently.
And anyone who doesn't like that idea, like you, should just get the
hell out of our way.
-- Steven L.
The Old Ranch Hand
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I don't care to argue in
circles with you. Maybe you can find someone more bent on a negative
attitude to chew the fat with. I made my point and I'll just leave it at
that.
Ashland Henderson
Me too. Which is why I want a president who will actually have a chance at
doing it. Here is a hint by the way: Movements which see themselves as
resistance movements have rarely if ever been put down by force alone.
Here's another hint: There is more to the world and more going on in it than
just putting down al Qaeda.
> And anyone who doesn't like that idea, like you, should just get the
> hell out of our way.
The problem is that you are in the way and your viewpoint is one that is
hurting your cause, not helping it.
cLIeNUX user
>Bush was installed in the White House by the Supreme Court. An
>extraordinary break for a man who had clearly lost the election and
>was way behind in the popular vote also.
>
>He has had nearly his entire first term to bring positive and
>constructive progress in America.
>
>Instead, he has brought hate, violence, huge deficits, more than 500
>dead American boys killed in a war based on Bush's lies, and Bush has
>destroyed any hope for the Iraqi people for the next 20 years. Even
>our traditional and valuable friends are abandoning the idiocy of
>George W. Bush.
>
>We need new vigor, sensibility and intelligence in the White House.
>Kerry has what it takes.
You were doing real well up to that last line.
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party
alight
> extraordinary break for a man who had clearly lost the election and
> was way behind in the popular vote also.
>
> He has had nearly his entire first term to bring positive and
> constructive progress in America.
>
> Instead, he has brought hate, violence, huge deficits, more than 500
> dead American boys killed in a war based on Bush's lies, and Bush has
> destroyed any hope for the Iraqi people for the next 20 years. Even
> our traditional and valuable friends are abandoning the idiocy of
> George W. Bush.
>
> We need new vigor, sensibility and intelligence in the White House.
> Kerry has what it takes.
>
> being waged by Bush. Sure, there are terrorists, always have been.
> you are no safer today because of any action by Bush. And you are
> greatly impacted by the police-state tactics of Bush and Ashcroft.
> (And have you tried air travel recently, do you really think any of
> that massive inconvenience and delay at airports is making you any
> safer at all?).
>
> Now Bush and Ashcroft want to be able to monitor YOUR Internet
> communications, survey what library books you read, tap your phones,
> and much more without even the previous protections the Constitution
> once afforded.
>
> Bush was given an extraordinary chance and he has been an
> extraordinary failure.
>
> No wonder they only let him give speeches at military bases. There
> fear of his own safety. Bush has made the world see the U.S. as
> untrustworthy, arrogant and violent.
>
> Kerry can and will do monumentally better for America.
Kerry will be worse.
>
Sid9
"alight" <sheb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What could possibly be worse than bush,Jr with a resume that looks like a
disaster for all those around him?
What could have been worse than attacking Iraq when the enemy was Al Qaeda?
He could have attacked Argentina with the same affect on terrorism.
Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
delivered to him.
This jinxed loser must go.
Tiger
syd.cdn.telstra.com.au:
> Kerry will be worse.
I suppose that is possible. Frankly, I think it's time to start over.
Virtually everyone in the two major parties are career politicians and
don't give a damn about anything other than staying in power and
collecting their annual raises, lining their pockets with special
interest money, and building up their ridiculous retirement benefits.
It's beyond the time to throw the bastards out.
--
Tiger
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
Robert
> John Wesley Asquith wrote:
>
> >
>
> Maybe *you* are accustomed to terrorism to the point it doesn't bother
> you any more.
>
> But I want to see this country put al-Qaeda out of business. Permanently.
>
> And anyone who doesn't like that idea, like you, should just get the
> hell out of our way.
>
>
>
> -- Steven L.
Get the hell out of our way?
Get the hell out of our way?
Get the hell out of our way?
Spoken like the true chickenshit, chickenhawk coward that you are.
Get the hell out of our way?
Hah.
Like you personally are doing something more than showing uncommon
bravery from behind your computer terminall
IT @something.net Don
>Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
>delivered to him.
>
>This jinxed loser must go.
Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
How?
Thanks,
D*
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
J Dubya
> >delivered to him.
>
> How?
Born to rich parents, with every advantage money can buy.
He was.
His family has a long history of making deals with despots
(including Nazi Germany) for huge financial gain:
http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm
HTH,
-Jeremy
Graphic Queen
@something.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:57:36 GMT, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
>>delivered to him.
>>
>>This jinxed loser must go.
>
>Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
>How?
>
>Thanks,
>D*
If you even have to ask you are very uninformed about him then.
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There can be no fifty-fifty American in this country.
There is room here for only 100% Americanism only for
those who are American and nothing else.
~~Theodore Roosevelt
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Harry Grogan
You need to lay off the tequila for a while "cowboy".I think your
liver has taken control of your thought processes.
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>> >Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
>> >delivered to him.
>>
>> Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
>> How?
>
>Born to rich parents, with every advantage money can buy.
Rich parents?
From 1942 to 1945, GHWBush was in the Navy. On January 6, 1945,
President Bush married Barbara Pierce of Rye, New York. GeorgeW was
born in 1946 while GHWBush was in college. GHWB had just turned 22
when GWB was born. After graduation, instead of entering business
with his father, he moved the family to Texas, working in the west
Texas oil fields for Dresser Industries. Now, are you saying that they
were "rich parents" while they were in college, at the age of 21 and
22 years old?
REGARDING HIS SERVICE DURING THE WAR:
On 2 September 1944, Bush piloted one of four aircraft from VT-51 that
attacked the Japanese installations on Chi Chi Jima...During their
attack, four TBM Avengers from VT-51 encountered intense antiaircraft
fire. While starting the attack, Bush's aircraft was hit and his
engine caught on fire. He completed his attack and released the bombs
over his target scoring several damaging hits. With his engine on
fire, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other
crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft...While Bush
anxiously waited four hours in his inflated raft, several fighters
circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard
submarine, USS Finback...During the month he remained on Finback, Bush
participated in the rescue of other pilots.
GHWB did not make his first million for another nineteen years AFTER
GWB was born. Could you please define "rich parents" since few
college kids could be called "rich parents."
Perhaps you cuold tell us HOW RICH were GWBush's parents?
Thanks for clarifying this little contradiction up.
D*
Please do not shoot the pianist.
He is doing his best.
-- Oscar Wilde
IT @something.net Don
<graphicx...@xxxhotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:59:37 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
>@something.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:57:36 GMT, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
>>>delivered to him.
>>>
>>>This jinxed loser must go.
>>
>>Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
>>How?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>D*
>If you even have to ask you are very uninformed about him then.
OH? Since you are so "informed," -please tell HOW RICH they were in
1946. Evidently you know or you would not have called me
"uninformed."
Thanks,
D*
Qualem blennum!
the reaper
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:59:37 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
> @something.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:57:36 GMT, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
> >>delivered to him.
> >>
> >>This jinxed loser must go.
> >
> >Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
> >How?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >D*
> If you even have to ask you are very uninformed about him then.
Yep, pretty well sums up the opposition.
alight
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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they are both bad, Kerry is worse.
>
>
Icono
"Graphic Queen" <graphicx...@xxxhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:59:37 -0600, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
> @something.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:57:36 GMT, "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Born with a silver spoon in his mouth he blew every opportunity that was
> >>delivered to him.
> >>
> >>This jinxed loser must go.
> >
> >Please explaine "born with a silver spoon in his mouth." Was he?
> >How?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >D*
> If you even have to ask you are very uninformed about him then.
UNINFORMED IS BETTER THAN MIS-INFORMED AND FULL OF LIES.
J Dubya
>
> Perhaps you cuold tell us HOW RICH were GWBush's parents?
> Thanks for clarifying this little contradiction up.
1,000 pardons: change "parents" to "family."
"In the United States, as we will see, the twentieth-century rise of the
Bush family was built on the five pillars of American global sway: the
international reach of U.S. investment banking, the emerging giantism of
the military-industrial complex, the ballooning of the CIA and kindred
intelligence operations, the drive for U.S. control of global oil supplies
and a close alliance with Britain and the English-speaking community. This
century of upward momentum brought a sequence of controversies, albeit ones
that never gained critical mass—such as the exposure in 1942 of Prescott
Bush's corporate directorship links to wartime Germany, which harked back
to over-ambitious 1920s investment banking, the Bush family's longtime
involvement with global armaments and the military-industrial complex (that
latter was big enough by 1961 that President Eisenhower warned against it)
and a web of close connections to the CIA, ones that began decades before
George Bush's brief CIA directorship in 1976. Threads like these weigh may
not weigh heavily on individual presidencies; they are many times more
troubling in a dynasty."
http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm
Do you really think there was the slightest chance Prescott was going
to let his son fail?
HTH,
-Jeremy
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don:
Do you think you could speak in any BROADER terms with more sweeping
generalizations???
"The problem with zombies is that they have no will of their own. They wander the night,
mindless, never knowing or caring where they are going or what they are doing."
"You mean like Democrats?"
--- From the 1940 movie "The Ghost Breakers"
starring Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard.
jose soplar
That's easy. Kerry voted against our military 38 times in
the US Senate. Kerry wants to rely on the UN to defend us
against the threat of the Islamic extremists. Kerry wants
to treat the Islamic extremists as criminals and serve them
subpoenas just like Clinton and Albright did. That really
got their attention.
Sid9
"jose soplar" <joses...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Even Republicans say you are a liar
J Dubya
> >
> >Do you really think there was the slightest chance Prescott was going
> >to let his son fail?
>
> Do you think you could speak in any BROADER terms with more sweeping
> generalizations???
http://www.chez.com/georgebush/en/biography/
George [HW] Bush grew up in a family atmosphere with his three brothers
and his sister at Greenwich, Connecticut, a suburb of New York, before
studying in one of the best private boarding schools of the country.
...
The old family silver he had served him to create an oil company named
Zapata in 1954, which made him rich. In 1959, he settled down in Houston."
"The old family silver he had." Any other questions?
-Jeremy
Xypher
jose soplar
Do you have a problem finding reliable news sites that are
not driven by an ideological agenda? Or do you only read
sites that make you feel good and tell you only what you
want to hear?
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don wrote:
He was an excellent businessman, which is why the "oil company named
Zapata" made him rich. It has happened to many, many good businessmen
who started with virtually nothing but a good brain.
Perhaps it will happen with you.
Qualem blennum!
J Dubya
> >http://www.chez.com/georgebush/en/biography/
> >...
> >The old family silver he had served him to create an oil company named
> >Zapata in 1954, which made him rich. In 1959, he settled down in Houston."
> >
> >"The old family silver he had." Any other questions?
>
> Zapata" made him rich. It has happened to many, many good businessmen
> who started with virtually nothing but a good brain.
Apparently you didn't read what I posted. He used his father's "silver"
to finance his oil company. That is what is commonly refered to as a
"silver" spoon. It was George HW Bush's silver spoon, which he passed
on in spades (as it were) to his son, Shrub.
> Qualem blennum!
Puto vos esse molestissimos.
-Jeremy
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don wrote:
>> >http://www.chez.com/georgebush/en/biography/
>> >...
>> >The old family silver he had served him to create an oil company named
>> >Zapata in 1954, which made him rich. In 1959, he settled down in Houston."
>> >
>> >"The old family silver he had." Any other questions?
>>
>> He was an excellent businessman, which is why the "oil company named
>> Zapata" made him rich. It has happened to many, many good businessmen
>> who started with virtually nothing but a good brain.
>
>Apparently you didn't read what I posted.
Sure I read it.
>He used his father's "silver"
>to finance his oil company. That is what is commonly refered to as a
>"silver" spoon. It was George HW Bush's silver spoon, which he passed
>on in spades (as it were) to his son, Shrub.
HA HA HA HA!!!
Funny it took so long for you to work-around so you could say that you
did not say what you said. In other words, your original statement
did not say what you now say it said.
First, you say"Born with a silver spoon in his mouth" has now been
reinterpreted to mean using "his father's 'silver'"... You say THAT
is "what is commonly referred to as a "silver"spoon??? So when it is
said "So&So was born with a silver spoon in their mouth," what they
are really saying is..."So&So used their Father's silver to
finance..." and THAT is a "silver spoon?"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
>> Qualem blennum!
>
>Puto vos esse molestissimos.
Vescere bracis meis
"Government doesn't work. It doesn't keep our streets safe and it doesn't educate our children. Government is good at
only one thing: It breaks your legs, hands you a pair of crutches, and says, 'See, without us you wouldn't be able to walk.'"
-- Harry Browne
J Dubya
>
> >He used his father's "silver"
> >to finance his oil company. That is what is commonly refered to as a
> >"silver" spoon. It was George HW Bush's silver spoon, which he passed
> >on in spades (as it were) to his son, Shrub.
> First, you say"Born with a silver spoon in his mouth" has now been
> reinterpreted to mean using "his father's 'silver'"... You say THAT
> is "what is commonly referred to as a "silver"spoon???
English is not your first language, is it?
I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
family:
(a) Sent him to the finest prep school in the country,
(b) Sent him to an ivy league university (fully paying his way), and
(c) Financed his business ventures
would qualify as having been born in that fashion, including
George HW Bush.
Furthermore, if said person did likewise for his son, *that* son
would also qualify as having been so born, including George W Bush.
> Vescere bracis meis
Podex perfectus es.
> "Government doesn't work. It doesn't keep our streets safe and
> it doesn't educate our children. Government is good at only one
> thing: It breaks your legs, hands you a pair of crutches, and
> says, 'See, without us you wouldn't be able to walk.'"
Government is the only thing standing between the people and the
robber barons (such as Halliburton, except that without the gov't
Halliburton would lose most of its revenue, which is derived in
large part from government contracts[1]).
-Jeremy
[1] "[S]triking another blow for freedom from government interference,
Mr. Cheney led Halliburton into the top ranks of corporate welfare
hogs, benefiting from almost $2 billion in taxpayer-insured loans
from the U.S. Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment
Corp. In the five years before Mr. Cheney joined the company, it got
a measly $100 million in government loans." Molly Ivins' article,
"Cheney's Mess Worth a Close Look" is online at:
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0610-03.htm
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don wrote:
>>
>> >He used his father's "silver"
>> >to finance his oil company. That is what is commonly refered to as a
>> >"silver" spoon. It was George HW Bush's silver spoon, which he passed
>> >on in spades (as it were) to his son, Shrub.
>> [...]
>> First, you say"Born with a silver spoon in his mouth" has now been
>> reinterpreted to mean using "his father's 'silver'"... You say THAT
>> is "what is commonly referred to as a "silver"spoon???
>
>English is not your first language, is it?
>
>I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
>"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
>family:
Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
>(a) Sent him to the finest prep school in the country,
>(b) Sent him to an ivy league university (fully paying his way), and
>(c) Financed his business ventures
All many years later after being "born,"
>> Vescere bracis meis
>
>Podex perfectus es.
Flocci non facio
>> "Government doesn't work. It doesn't keep our streets safe and
>> it doesn't educate our children. Government is good at only one
>> thing: It breaks your legs, hands you a pair of crutches, and
>> says, 'See, without us you wouldn't be able to walk.'"
>
>Government is the only thing standing between the people and the
>robber barons (such as Halliburton, except that without the gov't
>Halliburton would lose most of its revenue, which is derived in
>large part from government contracts[1]).
You say: "There are persons who have no money," and you turn to the law.
But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk.
Nothing can enter the public treasury for the benefit of one citizen or one class
unless other citizens and other classes have been forced to send it in.
The law can be an instrument of equalization only as it takes from some persons and gives to other persons.
When the law does this, it is an instrument of plunder.
With this in mind, examine the...subsidies...guaranteed jobs...relief and welfare schemes....
You will find that they are always based on legal plunder, organized injustice.
- - - Frederic Bastiat
J Dubya
> On 27 Mar 2004 14:35:29 -0800, J Dubya wrote
> >
> >I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
> >"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
> >family:
>
> Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
One of whose father was a multimillionaire, and who paid his son's
way in every respect.
> >(a) Sent him to the finest prep school in the country,
> >(b) Sent him to an ivy league university (fully paying his way), and
> >(c) Financed his business ventures
>
> All many years later after being "born,"
You are confusing G HW Bush with G W Bush. The above refer to HW.
That W was also born with every possible economic advantage in life is
beyond dispute.
> Flocci non facio
I'm sure you couldn't.
We can both Google for Latin insults and c&p them,
but it's getting a bit silly, don't you think?
> >Government is the only thing standing between the people and the
> >robber barons (such as Halliburton, except that without the gov't
> >Halliburton would lose most of its revenue, which is derived in
> >large part from government contracts[1]).
>
>
> You say: "There are persons who have no money," and you turn to the law.
> But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk.
The law is a way, probably the *only* way, to regulate capitalism.
Unregulated capitalism leads to horrific abuses. Regulated
captialism, imperfect as it is, is the best form of government we've
tried so far that works (for the most part) at the level of nations.
-Jeremy
Icono
"J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Don wrote in message news:<bipc60d6hrigoihqs...@4ax.com>...
> > On 27 Mar 2004 14:35:29 -0800, J Dubya wrote
> > >
> > >I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
> > >"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
> > >family:
> >
> > Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
>
> One of whose father was a multimillionaire, and who paid his son's
> way in every respect.
>
> > >(a) Sent him to the finest prep school in the country,
> > >(b) Sent him to an ivy league university (fully paying his way), and
> > >(c) Financed his business ventures
> >
> > All many years later after being "born,"
>
> You are confusing G HW Bush with G W Bush. The above refer to HW.
> That W was also born with every possible economic advantage in life is
> beyond dispute.
For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor man.
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don wrote in message news:<bipc60d6hrigoihqs...@4ax.com>...
>> On 27 Mar 2004 14:35:29 -0800, J Dubya wrote
>> >
>> >I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
>> >"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
>> >family:
>>
>> Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
>
>One of whose father was a multimillionaire, and who paid his son's
>way in every respect.
Wrong, GHWB did not make his first million until the child was around
19-years old.
>> >(a) Sent him to the finest prep school in the country,
>> >(b) Sent him to an ivy league university (fully paying his way), and
>> >(c) Financed his business ventures
>>
>> All many years later after being "born,"
>
>You are confusing G HW Bush with G W Bush. The above refer to HW.
>That W was also born with every possible economic advantage in life is
>beyond dispute.
Like I said, GHWB did not make his first million until W was off to
college.
>> Flocci non facio
>
>I'm sure you couldn't.
>
>We can both Google for Latin insults and c&p them,
>but it's getting a bit silly, don't you think?
Not really! <hee hee> Of course, I like Mad Magazine and "THE DOOR"
the worlds only religious satire magazine. You should get a copy.
>> >Government is the only thing standing between the people and the
>> >robber barons (such as Halliburton, except that without the gov't
>> >Halliburton would lose most of its revenue, which is derived in
>> >large part from government contracts[1]).
>>
>>
>> You say: "There are persons who have no money," and you turn to the law.
>> But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk.
>
>The law is a way, probably the *only* way, to regulate capitalism.
>Unregulated capitalism leads to horrific abuses. Regulated
>captialism, imperfect as it is, is the best form of government we've
>tried so far that works (for the most part) at the level of nations.
>
>-Jeremy
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society,
they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it
and a moral code that glorifies it."
-- Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)
in his book Economic Sophisms
"We are going to tax and tax, spend and spend, and elect and elect!"
-- Harry Hopkins, principal advisor to FDR
J Dubya
> "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > You are confusing G HW Bush with G W Bush. The above refer to HW.
> > That W was also born with every possible economic advantage in life is
> > beyond dispute.
>
> For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
> Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor man.
Sir,
The original questioner asked what "born with a silver spoon
in one's mouth" meant, and asked if G W Bush qualified as such.
I answered his questions, and was attacked for describing Bush
(both HW & W) as having been born in that fashion. I defended
my assertions.
I did not make any claims re Kerry, as I didn't know what his
circumstances were. A quick look at
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/
shows that he, too, was born into wealth.
-Jeremy
Icono
> > "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > You are confusing G HW Bush with G W Bush. The above refer to HW.
> > > That W was also born with every possible economic advantage in life is
> > > beyond dispute.
> >
> > For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
> > Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor man.
>
> Sir,
> The original questioner asked what "born with a silver spoon
> in one's mouth" meant, and asked if G W Bush qualified as such.
> I answered his questions, and was attacked for describing Bush
> (both HW & W) as having been born in that fashion. I defended
> my assertions.
>
No you didn't.
Do you hate all people who have a dollar more than you?
J Dubya
> On 28 Mar 2004 15:37:52 -0800, spamt...@netscape.net (J Dubya)
> wrote:
>
> >Don wrote in message news:<bipc60d6hrigoihqs...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 27 Mar 2004 14:35:29 -0800, J Dubya wrote
> >> >
> >> >I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
> >> >"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
> >> >family:
> >>
> >> Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
> >
> >One of whose father was a multimillionaire, and who paid his son's
> >way in every respect.
>
> Wrong, GHWB did not make his first million until the child was around
> 19-years old.
I hope you're not trying to say that one cannot be born with a silver
spoon in one's mouth unless one's immediate family has at least a
million dollars.
> Not really! <hee hee> Of course, I like Mad Magazine and "THE DOOR"
> the worlds only religious satire magazine. You should get a copy.
I read Mad a long long time ago. A *long* time ago.
Haven't heard of "The Door."
What about Landover Baptist?
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Or The Church of the Subgenius?
http://www.subgenius.com/
-Jeremy
J Dubya
> "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:2e0ca0e0.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > Icono wrote in message news:<2iM9c.7549$Rh.5802@fed1read05>...
> > > For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
> > > Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor man.
> >
> > Sir,
> > The original questioner asked what "born with a silver spoon
> > in one's mouth" meant, and asked if G W Bush qualified as such.
> > I answered his questions, and was attacked for describing Bush
> > (both HW & W) as having been born in that fashion. I defended
> > my assertions.
>
> No you didn't.
Not to your satisfaction, but you are ideologically blinkered.
> Do you hate all people who have a dollar more than you?
I hate all people who are born to privilege and are too stupid
to recognize that it is an accident of fate. The kind of people
who make statements like,
"I don't understand how poor people think."
[George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times, 08-26-03 ]
This bumpersticker sums up Mr. Bush tersely & accurately:
"George Bush: Born on third base; thought he hit a triple."
-Jeremy
IT @something.net Don
wrote:
>Don wrote in message news:<r0nf609mn1lcjfd55...@4ax.com>...
>> On 28 Mar 2004 15:37:52 -0800, spamt...@netscape.net (J Dubya)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Don wrote in message news:<bipc60d6hrigoihqs...@4ax.com>...
>> >> On 27 Mar 2004 14:35:29 -0800, J Dubya wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >I venture to guess that the average person familiar with the expression
>> >> >"born with a silver spoon in his mouth" would agree that anyone whose
>> >> >family:
>> >>
>> >> Born 1946 to a couple of college students.
>> >
>> >One of whose father was a multimillionaire, and who paid his son's
>> >way in every respect.
>>
>> Wrong, GHWB did not make his first million until the child was around
>> 19-years old.
>
>I hope you're not trying to say that one cannot be born with a silver
>spoon in one's mouth unless one's immediate family has at least a
>million dollars.
It sure helps to have a standard.
>> Not really! <hee hee> Of course, I like Mad Magazine and "THE DOOR"
>> the worlds only religious satire magazine. You should get a copy.
>
>I read Mad a long long time ago. A *long* time ago.
>
>Haven't heard of "The Door."
http://www.thedoormagazine.com/home.html
>What about Landover Baptist?
>http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
I claim it as my home church. THAT really offends people.
>Or The Church of the Subgenius?
>http://www.subgenius.com/
That's good too. Not a member but I WILL look into ordination on the
web site.
D*
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
Icono
> "Icono" <icono...@home.com> wrote in message
news:<FmZ9c.9237$Rh.7982@fed1read05>...
> > "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:2e0ca0e0.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > > Icono wrote in message news:<2iM9c.7549$Rh.5802@fed1read05>...
> > > > [...]
> > > > For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
> > > > Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor man.
> > >
> > > Sir,
> > > The original questioner asked what "born with a silver spoon
> > > in one's mouth" meant, and asked if G W Bush qualified as such.
> > > I answered his questions, and was attacked for describing Bush
> > > (both HW & W) as having been born in that fashion. I defended
> > > my assertions.
> >
> > No you didn't.
>
> Not to your satisfaction, but you are ideologically blinkered.
>
> > Do you hate all people who have a dollar more than you?
>
> I hate all people who are born to privilege and are too stupid
> to recognize that it is an accident of fate. The kind of people
> who make statements like,
>
> "I don't understand how poor people think."
>
> [George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times,
08-26-03 ]
>
So you DO hate all who have a dollar more than you and YOU THINK you are one
of the "poor".
FYI, no one who is not or has not been poor understands how the poor think,
including you.
FYI, I lived in an apartment until 8 yrs old where the ONLY furniture was
orange crates my father brought home from his job in a food processing
plant. The table cloths and most of my clothes were made from empty flour
sacks.
FYI, I was the only white boy in the neighborhood.
FYI, The back yard was the rail road tracks.
How did we think? You haven't a clue.
So take your fake intellect and your hate and shove it up some other
liberal's rear.
The only thing really deficient in your life is intellect and that is
primary due to no room after the HATE fills you.
J Dubya
> > to recognize that it is an accident of fate. The kind of people
> > who make statements like,
> >
> > "I don't understand how poor people think."
> >
> > [George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times,
> > 08-26-03 ]
>
> YOU THINK you are one of the "poor".
*chuckle* You have me all figured out, don't you.
I have more dollars than most in this country (but not more than
millionaires like Bush), and I am extremely grateful to my parents for
loving me enough to sacrifice and send me to good schools, schools in
which compassion and understanding were valued, schools in which it
was taught that there is a lot more to life than money.
> FYI, no one who is not or has not been poor understands how
> the poor think, including you.
The poor think like the rich think. It is a defect in empathy in the
rich that they regard the poor as subhuman or lazy.
> FYI, I lived in an apartment until 8 yrs old where the ONLY furniture was
> orange crates my father brought home from his job in a food processing
> plant. The table cloths and most of my clothes were made from empty flour
> sacks.
Sorry to hear it. Have you ever considered the possibility that
Republican policies exacerbated your condition?
> How did we think? You haven't a clue.
"We?" So you still consider yourself to be poor? If so, why on earth
would you vote Republican, the party of the already-rich?
> So take your fake intellect and your hate and shove it up some other
> liberal's rear.
Fake intellect? Shove it up some other liberal's rear? *My* hate?
> The only thing really deficient in your life is intellect and
> that is primary due to no room after the HATE fills you.
Apparently, you hate me and my ilk. Does that mean your hate
displaces your intellect, too? If not, then why assume that mine
does? If so, then perhaps a bit of self-reflection is in order.
HAND,
-Jeremy
Icono
> Icono wrote in message news:<g%5ac.10934$Rh.2879@fed1read05>...
> > "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I hate all people who are born to privilege and are too stupid
> > > to recognize that it is an accident of fate. The kind of people
> > > who make statements like,
> > >
> > > "I don't understand how poor people think."
> > >
> > > [George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times,
> > > 08-26-03 ]
> >
> > So you DO hate all who have a dollar more than you and
> > YOU THINK you are one of the "poor".
>
> *chuckle* You have me all figured out, don't you.
>
> I have more dollars than most in this country (but not more than
> millionaires like Bush), and I am extremely grateful to my parents for
> loving me enough to sacrifice and send me to good schools, schools in
> which compassion and understanding were valued, schools in which it
> was taught that there is a lot more to life than money.
>
> > FYI, no one who is not or has not been poor understands how
> > the poor think, including you.
>
> The poor think like the rich think. It is a defect in empathy in the
> rich that they regard the poor as subhuman or lazy.
So, you have no clue.
When in poverty the entire world is different. It is you who are
misinformed and bigoted.
>
> > FYI, I lived in an apartment until 8 yrs old where the ONLY furniture
was
> > orange crates my father brought home from his job in a food processing
> > plant. The table cloths and most of my clothes were made from empty
flour
> > sacks.
>
> Sorry to hear it. Have you ever considered the possibility that
> Republican policies exacerbated your condition?
>
> > How did we think? You haven't a clue.
>
> "We?" So you still consider yourself to be poor? If so, why on earth
> would you vote Republican, the party of the already-rich?
The leadership of the Democratic Party is MUCH richer than the Republican.
The Leadership of the Democratic Party is from inherited and old money.
You are EXTREMELY misinformed and a bigot.
>
> > So take your fake intellect and your hate and shove it up some other
> > liberal's rear.
>
> Fake intellect? Shove it up some other liberal's rear? *My* hate?
Yes, you hat of what you perceive to be the rich and what YOU perceive to be
the reason for YOUR ineptness and place in life.
>
> > The only thing really deficient in your life is intellect and
> > that is primary due to no room after the HATE fills you.
>
> Apparently, you hate me and my ilk. Does that mean your hate
> displaces your intellect, too? If not, then why assume that mine
> does? If so, then perhaps a bit of self-reflection is in order.
I do what I wish. I am the creator of my own destiny here.
There is nothing more pitiful than what most call a liberal.
The entire Liberal / socialist / Democrat / Nazi / communist mind set (or
propoganda) is "them" and what "they" did.
Yes, I "hate" the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Musolini, Jesse Jackson
and other opportunists playing on the poor and people who think they are
poor.
The leaders know this and get into power based on their lies regarding
humanity and general economic truthes. The leaders can say this because
they are completely removed from economic impact.
>
> HAND,
> -Jeremy
J Dubya
> J Dubya wrote:
> > The poor think like the rich think. It is a defect in empathy in the
> > rich that they regard the poor as subhuman or lazy.
>
> So, you have no clue.
> When in poverty the entire world is different. It is you who are
> misinformed and bigoted.
Clearly you misunderstand. I am not saying that poor people think
about all the same things that rich people do. Obviously, poor people
have to waste a huge amount of time worrying about food, shelter, and
other things that rich folk can take for granted. I *am* saying that
there is no fundamental difference between poor and rich except
circumstance.
> The leadership of the Democratic Party is MUCH richer than the Republican.
> The Leadership of the Democratic Party is from inherited and old money.
> You are EXTREMELY misinformed and a bigot.
You're full of hot gas. There are more millionaire Reps (22) than
Dems (18) in the Senate. The net wealth of those Dems is much higher
than that of the Reps. But so what? Reps are the party of CEOs &
"their" bidnesses.
( http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/law_wp/wealthindex.htm )
> > > So take your fake intellect and your hate and shove it up some other
> > > liberal's rear.
> >
> > Fake intellect? Shove it up some other liberal's rear? *My* hate?
>
> Yes, you hat of what you perceive to be the rich and what YOU perceive to be
> the reason for YOUR ineptness and place in life.
I don't hate *all* the rich. I hate the rich who think they are rich
by Divine Right. I hate the rich who lack empathy.
> There is nothing more pitiful than what most call a liberal.
> The entire Liberal / socialist / Democrat / Nazi / communist
> mind set (or propoganda) is "them" and what "they" did.
You are conflating wildly disparate philosophies. Read a book
sometime.
> Yes, I "hate" the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Musolini, Jesse Jackson
> and other opportunists playing on the poor and people who think they are
> poor.
Jesse Jackson lumped with the worst despots of modern history?
Your ideological blinders are showing.
> The leaders know this and get into power based on their lies regarding
> humanity and general economic truthes. The leaders can say this because
> they are completely removed from economic impact.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. I'll guess you mean that
politicians lie to get elected. Sure enough, but I *hope* you're not
trying to imply that only Dem pols lie.
-Jeremy
Icono
> Icono wrote in message news:<QQgac.11270$Rh.3905@fed1read05>...
> > J Dubya wrote:
> > > The poor think like the rich think. It is a defect in empathy in the
> > > rich that they regard the poor as subhuman or lazy.
> >
> > So, you have no clue.
> > When in poverty the entire world is different. It is you who are
> > misinformed and bigoted.
>
> Clearly you misunderstand. I am not saying that poor people think
> about all the same things that rich people do. Obviously, poor people
> have to waste a huge amount of time worrying about food, shelter, and
> other things that rich folk can take for granted. I *am* saying that
> there is no fundamental difference between poor and rich except
> circumstance.
Good greif are you ever lost.
Forget it.
J Dubya
> "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:2e0ca0e0.0403...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > about all the same things that rich people do. Obviously, poor people
> > have to waste a huge amount of time worrying about food, shelter, and
> > other things that rich folk can take for granted. I *am* saying that
> > there is no fundamental difference between poor and rich except
> > circumstance.
>
> Good greif are you ever lost. Forget it.
O, please, kind Sir, take pity upon a poor benighted soul, and explain
the world to me.
-Jeremy
Helen
> "Icono" <icono...@home.com> wrote in message
news:<FmZ9c.9237$Rh.7982@fed1read05>...
> > "J Dubya" <spamt...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:2e0ca0e0.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > > Icono wrote in message news:<2iM9c.7549$Rh.5802@fed1read05>...
> > > > [...]
> > > > For sure, in your deficient, hate filled, mind.
> > > > Who spent years upon years roaming France? It wasn't a poor
man.
> > >
> > > Sir,
> > > The original questioner asked what "born with a silver spoon
> > > in one's mouth" meant, and asked if G W Bush qualified as such.
> > > I answered his questions, and was attacked for describing Bush
> > > (both HW & W) as having been born in that fashion. I defended
> > > my assertions.
> >
> > No you didn't.
>
> Not to your satisfaction, but you are ideologically blinkered.
>
> > Do you hate all people who have a dollar more than you?
>
> I hate all people who are born to privilege and are too stupid
> to recognize that it is an accident of fate. The kind of people
> who make statements like,
>
> "I don't understand how poor people think."
>
> [George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times,
08-26-03 ]
>
Well, stop and think just a minute. Re-read that sentence. I think it
is true, but rich President Bush and John FORBES Kerry, don't understand
how poor people think. How could they? The fact that they don't IS THE
PROBLEM!
Gomez Addams
"Helen" <@abuse.roman.gov> wrote
> Well, stop and think just a minute. Re-read that sentence. I think it
> is true, but rich President Bush and John FORBES Kerry, don't understand
> how poor people think. How could they? The fact that they don't IS THE
> PROBLEM!
Most poor people are poor because they spend more than they could ever hope
to make, or they are too stupid to get a job paying enough to satisfy their
covetousness. No one can force them to stop doing that. They just can't
resist that commercial for a home theater with Dolby surround sound, or a
new Honda.
~ MAIMED FOR OIL ~
(and blew it)
Thom
Kerry voted against obsolete systems that should have been replaced 20
years ago. He voted again the military industrial complex that was
trying to sell antiques to the military.
>Kerry wants to rely on the UN to defend us
>against the threat of the Islamic extremists.
Quite true because only a world wide rejection of right wing religious
wacko values will win against them
THOM
Thom
<Gomez&Mort...@Thing.con> wrote:
>
>"Helen" <@abuse.roman.gov> wrote
>> Well, stop and think just a minute. Re-read that sentence. I think it
>> is true, but rich President Bush and John FORBES Kerry, don't understand
>> how poor people think. How could they? The fact that they don't IS THE
>> PROBLEM!
> It is not the job of government to ensure poor people get ahead in life.
yes it is. Government is people doing as a group what they can not do
as individuals.
>Most poor people are poor because they spend more than they could ever hope
>to make,
at the crap wages Republicans want to pay that's very true.
>or they are too stupid to get a job paying enough to satisfy their
>covetousness.
Please tell us where these jobs are? India???
>No one can force them to stop doing that. They just can't
>resist that commercial for a home theater with Dolby surround sound, or a
>new Honda.
you don't know much about poor people. Most of them have trouble
paying the rent.
THOM
>
>
jose soplar
You're sick. Get help immediately.
Thom
>
>You're sick. Get help immediately.
so now we're a doctor?
Thom
who unlike the coward in the white house is a Viet Nam Vet
jose soplar
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
It just eases their consciencenesses for not wanting to truly help to *blame
us* for our conditions
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